Major Questions About Nancy Guthrie's Disappearance as NEW Videos and Images of Mystery Man Emerge

What this episode is about

The discussion centers on the ongoing investigation into Nancy Guthrie's disappearance, focusing on the emergence of new videos and images of a mysterious man potentially connected to her case. Key points include the implications of this evidence for public safety, the urgency of apprehending the individual to aid in Guthrie's possible rescue, and the intricacies of the investigation, which involve analyzing surveillance footage and the suspect's behavior.

Key takeaways

• When your face is on every media outlet, it's time to rethink your life choices—unless you're a celebrity.
• A panic-stricken perpetrator may become desperate; the FBI needs to strike a balance between urgency and caution.
• Moving a body is easier with a tarp; criminal masterminds could use a lesson in practicality—or an IKEA manual.
• The appeal for public help suggests law enforcement is unsure; it’s the ultimate 'who-dun-it' invitation, homemade mystery style.
• Facial hair can both reveal and conceal identity—who knew grooming choices could alter the course of an investigation?

Who speaks in this episode?

• Megyn Kelly (Guest) · 6 min speaking
• Jim (Guest) · 5 min speaking
• Moren (Guest) · 5 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 3:00: Nancy Guthrie, Nest
2. 3:00 – 6:00: Jonathan Gileiam
3. 6:00 – 9:00: Nest, Birch Gold Group
4. 9:00 – 12:00: Birch Gold Group

Notable quotes from "Major Questions About Nancy Guthrie's Disappearance as NEW Videos and Images of Mystery Man Emerge"

• If Nancy Guthrie is still alive, does this help her? obviously it helps her if they can catch him like ASAP, but does he panic, like should there be a message coming soon.

  about Nancy Guthrie · at 0:21

• Jonathan Gileiam. He just texted us his thoughts and here's an interesting one, Moren. He writes, He's not in any hurry, that's for sure. And he had no problem walking right up…

  about Jonathan Gileiam · at 5:53

• The Nest cameras are actually recording what you're doing, even when you don't have a subscription. There's a fair amount of Americans who are kind of freaked out about their Nest camera and.

  about Nest · at 6:40

• Gold has risen over 700% in the last 20 years and a never-ending list of reasons smart Americans diversify a portion of their savings into precious metals with Birch Gold…

  about Birch Gold Group · at 8:32

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Nancy Guthrie — Person · Victim / missing person central to the case discussion · 1 mention · first at 0:21
  The panel repeatedly discusses whether she is still alive, what the suspect’s behavior implies for her safety, and how the newly released images might help locate her.
• Jonathan Gileiam — Person · Referenced expert (remote contributor via text message) · 1 mention · first at 5:51
  His texted analysis is read on-air, offering behavioral observations from the video (confidence, turning to an object on the ground, possible gun on waistband, mustache).

Products & tech

• Nest — Product · Case study · 2 mentions · first at 1:22
  Nest camera was used to capture images of the perpetrator in the crime discussed.
• Ring — Product · Incidental mention · 3 mentions
  Ring camera was mentioned in passing in relation to privacy concerns.
  Then we all realize that we're all on camera all the time and somebody at ring is watching it, which is creepy. But I think this point about He's right, Moren. How he turned around and went.

Sponsors

• Birch Gold Group — Company · Sponsor · 2 mentions · first at 8:42
  Birch Gold Group was mentioned in an ad read promoting gold investment.

Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 Here's where I I what I what we need to ask. If you're this guy and you are out there right now and this is an oh moment because your picture is now going to be plastered all over every newspaper, every television station, every podcast, everything in America, what do you do? Is there is there a threat to the public? If Nancy Guthrie is still alive, does this help her? I mean, obviously it helps her if they can catch him like ASAP, but does he panic, you know, like should there be a message coming soon from the FBI? Like, don't do anything, you know, like it I don't know. How do you handle this?

0:40 I would say it could go either either way, but I would I would think it might help Nancy. the only, you know, it gives me great joy to think of this person squirming even though his squirm is nowhere as frightening as as what Nancy went through. However, with that backpack being that packed, I'm wondering, did he bring a tarp or a blanket or something? Because um you know, Jim and I know too well how hard it is to move a a body, but it's a lot easier if you have a blanket or a um uh or a tarp.

1:16 A tarp. That's how hunters do. You know, it I was thinking for a second, may maybe if like the remnants of the Nest camera got these shots, the remnants of it got him leaving. But that's not what happened. This is the Nest camera is still in its in its spot. The Nest camera did get pictures of the perpetrator. It's just and he did remove the camera. It's just something in the system. Even though the sheriff told us that a presser it he was told by the company that they hadn't gotten it so far, but he said we're asking them to continue checking something. I mean, they hit pay dirt. They they got they got the gold, you guys. Like they somehow the system did still have this.

1:56 Megan, do you think this is what they were looking for in NY's house last night in the dark was using oblique lighting like I talked about at the top of the this show to try to identify any of this uh vegetation that might be on the floor where boots were or where he keeps his shoes or in closets or anything like that. I think that might be something.

2:18 That's a great question. That's a great question. Like a face mask. Um yeah, or boots. I mean,

2:26 I would say the face mask is gone. I I would guess because of the situation and because how big it's gotten, no matter what has happened, my guess is he would have gotten rid of a lot of this, but but Fitz would know better than I would. However, if he's not a really fidious fidiously clean person, we'd be able to find some of that foliage in that in that house. But but what the argument against it is if they if they went into the brother-in-law's house and if this if this is him and there is facial hair, but that's all we know for sure. I mean, we made a close-up shot of the one face.

3:05 And that is definitely a mustache, a dark mustache above his top lip there. And in the other picture, it appears that there's facial hair down below the bottom lip, too. Um, if if that were the case, Moren, and they found a backpack, certainly if they found the face mask, I think we'd be talking about an arrest right now and not an appeal to the public to help us identify this guy, right? And and what does it tell us, if anything, I'm going to start calling you Fitz, too. I like that, Jim. Um, sorry. What does it tell us that No, I like it.

3:36 You guys have a history. Um, what does it tell us that they haven't placed him under arrest and that they actually are issuing a general appeal to the public for any information? Does that tell us that it's not the brother-in-law? They they they don't think it's him.

3:52 I'll start here. Uh, uh, Megan, uh, but we we know and and Moren knows this well, they've had these pictures for a few days. They didn't just get in this morning and release them right away. So, we're talking about what is this offender doing with these things? what is hiding them, destroying them, what could happen to, of course, Mrs. Guthrie. These are all kinds of questions involved in the uh post offense behavior of this particular offender. And now that the stakes have been raised as of the last hour or so, uh that he now is aware of this just like we are on this panel that that's when he has some decisions to make.

4:25 Let's hopefully he plays it smart here and if he somehow does have uh Mrs. Guthrie in his custody and she is still alive, nothing bad happens there. But uh but yeah, if he had a mustache, and I I won't go into whether it's the brother-in-law or not. Can't roll anything out or anyone out, but if we're seeing a little bit of a mustache, two things. Either it was planted there in advance and it uh as a as a as a decoy or uh or if it's real,

4:51 it's come off as of about an hour ago. Uh and and that is someone that's something we should put out there. Did someone change their identity? And we know this very well for these people that become suspects in cases. Is there anything they've done to change their identity? Obviously, did they leave town? Have they missed work last week? Have they missed other commitments where they should have been somewhere? And again, look at the visual representation of this person. It's not 100% clear. We get it on video, but tie in these other factors and put them in these individual silos in your life. And then see at the bottom if the grain all comes out, say, "Well, wait a minute. Yeah, I have a guy. He's kind of goofy, a buddy, and he was absent all last week and he's always talking about he wants to make a big, you know, big uh money hit somehow." and uh and he carries his gun and he always brags about it and and and that's that's

5:36 what this all may come together and someone may be that's what's going to go to the the top of that triage list that Moren referenced in terms of who the suspect is if they get that kind of a call.

5:46 Let me um all week we've been having uh different experts with your your kind of background on the show. One of them is uh Jonathan Gileiam. He just texted us his thoughts and here's an interesting one, Moren. He writes, "He's not in any hurry, that's for sure. And he had no problem walking right up to that camera, although it was really dark there, so he might not have seen it. But I find it very interesting how he turned around and went straight to something on the ground as if he knew it was there." Which leads me back to the familiarity he has and how he got that familiarity.

6:19 Perhaps it's one of the roofers or some other type of laborer. Perhaps this was a robbery and Nancy woke up. If that's the case, I would expect her body to be close to home, but if it's a relative, then the heat is getting heavy and they will break soon. He also sees gun on the waistband, mustache for sure. Uh he says, "You know what else this tells me? The Nest cameras are actually recording what you're doing, even when you don't have a subscription." There's a fair amount of Americans who are kind of freaked out about their Nest camera and their um Ring camera after that Super Bowl commercial that tried to get us to get one so that we could find lost dogs.

6:57 Then we all realize that we're all on camera all the time and somebody at ring is watching it, which is creepy. But I think this point about He's right, Moren. How he turned around and went straight to something on the ground as if he knew it was there. that that that plant, the vegetation he picked up.

7:16 It was weird. Can we see that video again, you guys? Can you play that again? Because it was like completely confident. He did a couple of bangs with the fist. Here he is. He's walking out for listening audience.

7:25 One, two, three, four, five. Gentle, gentle bangs. Now he's cupping it. Couple more gentle like taps almost. And he turns around

7:36 like, "Is it coming off easy for a second?" No, it's not. Yeah. Yep. He walks over there.

7:42 Look what I found. This should work. Yep. He bends down like he knew exactly, you know, where he was going and then came right back. I mean, I don't know if that shows familiarity with the property. And if it if it does, it could certainly suggest he's just been there before. But it is interesting. He knew right where to go. Meen.

8:01 Well, the backpack tells me he he was not there to rob anybody. There's no room to put anything in that backpack. If you're going there to steal something, you're going to have an empty bag. It's like when you go to Milan or something, you're going to pick up some great Italian clothing. You're bringing an empty bag with you

8:16 so you can fill it up. He's not going in there with a jam-packed backpack. What could he I mean, unless she's a diamond broker, there's going to be no room in there for anything.

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9:29 This was an abduction. It was planned and he knew about Yes, that's the thing. So, so let's put kidnapping to the side for one second.

9:39 If you want to go murder an 84 year old woman, why don't you leave her there? Why? You did the mask. You got your gloves on. What is the point of we think taking her out alive? We only think that because there's blood. I mean, A, she's gone, so we know she was taken out, but B, she was bleeding. I mean, a corpse can bleed, too. But she was bleeding. And the the pacemaker was connected to the iPhone as of at least 228. It's possible he then he then killed her or I don't know because I think the the pacemaker would show she had died

10:18 prior to her pacemaker disconnecting from the phone. So, I do believe she was removed from the home still alive. But, I mean, I suppose it could be he didn't want the mess. He didn't want the evidence. And so, his plan was, I'm getting her out of here and I'm going to go either kill her someplace else or maybe it was an attempted kidnapping. And maybe that kidnapping is still underway. Maybe he's just maybe he got foiled by these charlatans who who zoomed in trying to claim they were the kidnappers and is still planning on making a demand.

10:58 You'd think he would have left a note of some sort at the scene. That's the best way to prove you're the real deal as a kidnapper. Leave something at the scene and you can guard it with gloves and and keep your fingerprints DNA off it. The uni bomber got away with that for years. Nothing was ever found on his documents. It was his writing of course that eventually got to him and and maybe that could have been a clue for this guy that he was concerned about. But uh yeah, and and and and with an older woman like this, why does he need a gun? Did he really think he'd have to shoot her or someone else? Uh I would also say if you're going to leave if you're uh if you're a stranger, you'd be more inclined to leave the body behind because no one's going to connect you to it. If you're someone, and I'm not going to say family, but if you're somehow connected to that house, you may then have more of a reason for taking the

11:44 body. So, there'd be no other uh indices of of uh of death or indications of death in in that regard. So, it's it's we we just don't know. I of course we never can rule out the

11:55 Well, there's something else here, Jim. Let me let me let me jump in. There's another another video just dropped and we're going to put it up. Um hold on a second. I'm trying to see it. Uh okay, it's on the screen. And he's walking up

12:07 with his head down, weirdly. Kind of casually. It's just a few seconds. It's hard to see. He's kind of just sauntering up there very casually. He's got He does have an interesting kind of walk.

12:23 It's It's almost like even with the mask on, he didn't necessarily want the camera to look at him directly, so he kind of puts his head down, but eventually

12:32 you can see it. Uh, so that that alter he modified himself in that regard. Yes.

12:38 But this is like keep my head down for now. There's nothing on the floor that I think would be attracted to him.

12:46 Yes, guys. That's Debbie Murphy just said she she sees something flashing in his mouth. And I thought I saw that before. Yes. I don't know if you can see it.

12:57 It does look like a light. He has a It looks like he's got a light in his mouth. Oh, a small flashlight. People sometimes like even cops will hold a flashlight um

13:08 in their mouth like this so they can see. It looked like that here. Look here. Yeah.

13:11 Yeah. Look at this one. It's hard to tell if it was a reflection or not, but it it we can see the beam on the other one you just showed, Megan. You can see the beam hit the ground. So, that is a flashlight.

13:20 Yes. So, why is he why does he have the flashlight in his mouth as he's walking up? His head is for listening audience now. I can see it clearly. He's coming onto the property underneath the archway that brings you onto her patio. He his head is down. He's looking down almost like he's forlororn, but obviously it's a disguise to keep his face from looking into the cam. And you can see in the first frame of it as he's walking toward there's a there's a light in his mouth that is on and then it's off and then he walks up and then it comes back on because we saw it earlier in a still shot of him messing with the nest cam.

13:56 But why why when you're approaching the home, would you have the flashlight in your mouth?

14:02 Because it's pitch black out there and he want you want to keep your hands free and so you put the flashlight in your mouth. Um it'd be interesting if they found a flashlight in there like in the flurry of activity. It may have been left behind and now that's that's another thing from these videos that that has the wheels in my brain turning. One of them is touch DNA. They're going to be looking for touch DNA everywhere on those plants because even though he's wearing gloves, he's wearing leather gloves, not sterile, you know, latex gloves. He's wearing probably his own leather gloves which will have his DNA on them. They're going to be able to get go to the housing of of where that camera was um where he wrestled it from the housing. And there this is this is the break we've been waiting for.

14:54 Well, do you think Moren that they have other images that they're not releasing? Because we don't what we don't see in here is him successfully get the neescam down.

15:06 Yes. I I would I would think they they may have more. Well, especially since we've gotten three iterations in the last 3 minutes. Um I wouldn't be surprised if they had more. Uh, I remember, if you recall, the camera that the ERT members got off the roof of the house apparently had some sort of um uh solar panel attached to it. So, that that might be something they're trying to retrieve information from as well. That one too could have recovered images. Uh, they got that one later in the game. It's possible they're searching that one right now.

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Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "Major Questions About Nancy Guthrie's Disappearance as NEW Videos and Images of Mystery Man Emerge"?

Megyn Kelly (Guest), Jim (Guest), Moren (Guest).

What is "Major Questions About Nancy Guthrie's Disappearance as NEW Videos and Images of Mystery Man Emerge" about?

The discussion centers on the ongoing investigation into Nancy Guthrie's disappearance, focusing on the emergence of new videos and images of a mysterious man potentially connected to her case. Key points include the implications of this evidence for public safety, the urgency of apprehending the individual to aid in Guthrie's possible rescue, and the intricacies of the investigation, which…

What is mentioned in this Megyn Kelly episode?

5 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Nancy Guthrie, Nest, Jonathan Gileiam, Ring. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Major Questions About Nancy Guthrie's Disappearance as NEW Videos and Images of Mystery Man Emerge"?

The episode runs 16 min; the transcript is about 3,105 words in 43 timestamped sections.

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