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Megyn Kelly Reveals Former Obama Official Kathryn Ruemmler Was in PR Strategy Session with Epstein
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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Megyn Kelly Reveals Former Obama Official Kathryn Ruemmler Was in PR Strategy Session with Epstein", an episode of Megyn Kelly published November 14, 2025 (3 min, about 516 words). It mentions 18 people, works and ideas, including Jeffrey Epstein, Sean Bannon, Obama White House, Katherine Rumler, emails.
What is discussed, and when
- – 3:00: Jeffrey Epstein, Sean Bannon, Charlie Rose, emails
Notable quotes from "Megyn Kelly Reveals Former Obama Official Kathryn Ruemmler Was in PR Strategy Session with Epstein"
But I want to go back to what we heard in the room with Epstein Wolf Bannon and one other person, a woman. We can at this time exclusively reveal that the fourth party in that room, never before publicly identified, was former Obama.
about Jeffrey Epstein · atWrote another book. In 2018, he had written fasted or fury and fire whatever it was fire and fury. And then in 2021 after the meeting that we're discussing with you right now…
about Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House · atProstitute is underage or not. Again, reminder, Epstein pleaded guilty in 2008 to solicitation of an underage prostitute. Insert my refrain about how that's an impossibility.…
about solicitation of an underage prostitute · at
Who and what is mentioned in this episode?
People
- Jeffrey Epstein — Person · 5 mentions · first at
- Sean Bannon — Person · 3 mentions · first at
But I want to go back to what we heard in the room with Epstein Wolf Bannon and one other person, a woman. We can at this time exclusively reveal that the fourth party in that room, never before publicly identified, was former Obama.
- Katherine Rumler — Person · 1 mention · first at
Fourth party in that room, never before publicly identified, was former Obama White House counsel Katherine Rumler.
- Charlie Rose — Person · 1 mention · first at
So Epstein could do an interview on a program like 60 Minutes. And both Bannon and Rumler expressed regret that Charlie Rose, who was brought down by a sexual harassment…
- Alice Wolf — Person · 1 mention
- Julie K. Brown — Person · 1 mention
Books & papers
- Fire and Fury: Inside the Trump White House — Book · 1 mention · first at
- Too Famous — Book · 1 mention · first at
In 2021 after the meeting that we're discussing with you right now, he wrote another book called Too Famous. And in that book, he revealed parts of this conversation I'm…
Companies & orgs
- Obama White House — Company · 1 mention · first at
This time exclusively reveal that the fourth party in that room, never before publicly identified, was former Obama White House counsel Katherine Rumler.
Products & tech
- emails — Product · 1 mention · first at
Miss Rumler is all over the emails that just hit yesterday, which show a very friendly relationship between her and Jeffrey Epstein. She reportedly even showed up to Epstein's 2019 sex.
Concepts & topics
- sex trafficking arraignment — Concept · 1 mention · first at
Friendly relationship between her and Jeffrey Epstein. She reportedly even showed up to Epstein's 2019 sex trafficking arraignment in Wol's 2021 book. All right, now try to…
- solicitation of an underage prostitute — Concept · 1 mention · first at
- media training — Concept · 1 mention · first at
Bannon suggests a year of media training so Epstein could do an interview on a program like 60 Minutes. And both Bannon and Rumler expressed regret that Charlie Rose, who was brought down by a sexual.
- sexual harassment scandal — Concept · 1 mention · first at
Program like 60 Minutes. And both Bannon and Rumler expressed regret that Charlie Rose, who was brought down by a sexual harassment scandal of his own in 2017, was no longer…
- Pedophilia — Concept · 1 mention
- rape — Concept · 1 mention
Places & events
- United States (states) — Place · 1 mention
- Washington, D.C. — Place · 1 mention
Full transcript with timestamps
But I want to go back to what we heard in the room with Epstein Wolf Bannon and one other person, a woman. We can at this time exclusively reveal that the fourth party in that room, never before publicly identified, was former Obama White House counsel Katherine Rumler. Miss Rumler is all over the emails that just hit yesterday, which show a very friendly relationship between her and Jeffrey Epstein. She reportedly even showed up to Epstein's 2019 sex trafficking arraignment in Wol's 2021 book. All right, now try to keep it straight because we're going to tell you about a meeting that was from April 2019, Jeffrey Epstein allegedly killed himself. Um, in August of 2019, one month after he'd been charged with all these crimes. And then in 2021, Wolf wrote another book. In 2018, he had written fasted or fury and fire whatever whatever it was fire and fury. And then in 2021 after the meeting that we're
discussing with you right now, he wrote another book called Too Famous. And in that book, he revealed parts of this conversation I'm telling you about right now. But interestingly, he holds a few things back. He does not reveal, for example, this attorney's identity. In the audio we heard, she's referred to as White House counsel and Kathy. So, it's pretty clear to us who it is. Now that we see her all over the email correspondence, even more so. We reached out to Miss Rumler on our reporting that she was in this meeting with Epstein and she declined to comment. The tenor of the conversation is friendly and upbeat.
It sounds like friends having a good time laughing and joking as they try to come up with ways to spin a known sex abuser back into the good graces of the public. Now, just just it's interesting. Keep in mind this is after he knows at this point about the Julie K. around reporting and he knows additional legal charges could come his way. The discussion in the audio begins with a bizarre and flippant conversation about prostitution and whether the average prostitute is underage or not. Again, reminder, Epstein pleaded guilty in 2008 to solicitation of an underage prostitute. Insert my refrain about how that's an impossibility. He raped a young girl. He didn't solicit a prostitute who was underage. Bannon then quickly tries to change the topic, expressing his opinion that the core accusations against Epstein, that he is a rapist and a pedophile who is trafficking underage girls to his rich
friends are not true. Bannon says Epstein does not have a legal strategy problem, but that his PR problems are metastasizing. Bannon suggests a year of media training so Epstein could do an interview on a program like 60 Minutes. And both Bannon and Rumler expressed regret that Charlie Rose, who was brought down by a sexual harassment scandal of his own in 2017, was no longer available to do an interview on his show. Yes, he would have been a friendly. They were not wrong about
Questions about this episode
What is discussed in "Megyn Kelly Reveals Former Obama Official Kathryn Ruemmler Was in PR Strategy Session with Epstein"?
In order: 0:00 Jeffrey Epstein, Sean Bannon, Charlie Rose, emails.
What is mentioned in this Megyn Kelly episode?
18 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Jeffrey Epstein, Sean Bannon, Obama White House, Katherine Rumler, emails, sex trafficking arraignment. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.
How long is "Megyn Kelly Reveals Former Obama Official Kathryn Ruemmler Was in PR Strategy Session with Epstein"?
The episode runs 3 min; the transcript is about 516 words in 4 timestamped sections.
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