NEW Ring Video Shows Mystery Man in Nancy Guthrie Neighborhood Days Before Abduction, w/ FBI Agents

What this episode is about

Recent developments in the investigation surrounding the abduction case of Nancy Guthrie reveal conflicting reports about a man captured on video in her neighborhood days before the incident, with law enforcement sources disputing whether he has been cleared as a suspect. While some reports suggest the FBI and local sheriff's department have moved on from identifying the man as a person of interest, other sources claim no one has been cleared in connection with the ongoing investigation.

Key takeaways

• When law enforcement plays a game of 'two truths and a lie,' public trust takes a hit.
• Conflicting reports between agencies reveal the tangled web of investigative silos in crime-solving.
• The mystery man with backpacks remains murky; curiosity can be a double-edged sword for investigation.
• In the world of crime, being in the suspect pool is like being in 'The Hunger Games'—no one is safe.
• Good leadership is crucial, yet for investigators, clarity often plays the elusive role in case resolution.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Megyn Kelly (Guest) · 9 min speaking
• Jim (Guest) · 4 min speaking
• Moren (Guest) · 1 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 3:00: FBI, Nancy Guthrie, Puma County Sheriff's Department, Allison Harvey
2. 3:00 – 6:00: Allison Harvey, Tom Winter
3. 6:00 – 9:00: Tucson
4. 9:00 – 12:00: Tucson
5. 12:00 – 14:48: Birch Gold Group

Notable quotes from "NEW Ring Video Shows Mystery Man in Nancy Guthrie Neighborhood Days Before Abduction, w/ FBI Agents"

• FBI and the Puma County Sheriff's Department from Pac-Man, who we analyzed at length yesterday, the man who had two backpacks in a back alley a few miles away from Nancy…

  about Nancy Guthrie · at 0:09

• Information is wrong. That no one has been cleared. That was the word. They've been cleared. And Harvey says no. My FBI source tells me no one has been cleared in relation to that video.

  about FBI · at 1:04

• Spooked him away. I didn't answer the door. Anyone else one else see him in the area of 6th between Campbell and Tucson Boulevard. he's got on a light color and now moving on just what we see in the video for the listing audience.

  about Tucson · at 9:44

• Gold has risen over 700% in the last 20 years and a never- ending list of reasons smart Americans diversify a portion of their savings into precious metals with Birch Gold…

  about Birch Gold Group · at 13:40

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Nancy Guthrie — Person · Case subject / victim referenced · 2 mentions · first at 0:23
  Her home invasion/abduction case is the central investigative thread; timelines and suspect videos are discussed relative to her house and incident time.
• Crypto Megan — Person · Host / main speaker addressing panel · 1 mention · first at 1:46
  She drives the discussion, asks the investigative questions, frames the conflicting reports, and introduces new video evidence and online sources.
  No one is. No one is cleared in this investigation, Megan, at this point in time. You can talk at the inner circle of the family to guys like this who pop up, days later, weeks later, a.
• Tom Winter — Person · Referenced journalist / NBC News correspondent · 3 mentions · first at 0:45
  Cited as the source of reporting that law enforcement 'moved on' from a suspect seen on video, creating a conflict with other reporting/sourcing.
  Not clear. And while the FBI may be telling Harvey he's not cleared, no one's cleared, Tom Winter seems to have two just law enforcement sources saying he is. So, Jim, what do you think is happening here?
• Allison Harvey — Person · Referenced media figure / TMZ source voice · 3 mentions · first at 1:08
  Presented as disputing NBC's reporting, claiming FBI sources say nobody has been cleared; used to illustrate inter-agency/info conflicts.
  Information is wrong. That no one has been cleared. That was the word. They've been cleared. And Harvey says no. My FBI source tells me no one has been cleared in relation to that video.

Companies & orgs

• FBI — Company · Law enforcement agency · 3 mentions · first at 0:04
  Central to the discussion about the investigation into Nancy Guthrie's case, with conflicting reports on their stance regarding a suspect.
• Puma County Sheriff's Department — Company · Law enforcement agency · 2 mentions · first at 0:09
  Local law enforcement involved in the investigation of Nancy Guthrie's case, with conflicting reports on their stance regarding a suspect.
  So let's just start there. What's going on there? I tried to get to the bottom of this and basically I was directed to the Puma County Sheriff's Department. that they're the ones supposed to be running her on this.

Places & events

• New York, New York — Place · Location related to the investigation · 1 mention · first at 0:34
  Clarifies the context of the investigation regarding the incident at NY's house.
  Was right in the alley, put it around 1:53 a.m. someplace around there. And of course, we're told that the doorbell was disconnected at NY's house at 1:47 and that someone was…
• Tucson — Place · Setting · 3 mentions · first at 6:04
  The city where the incidents related to Nancy Guthrie's case occurred, including the sighting of suspicious individuals.

Sponsors

• Birch Gold Group — Product · Sponsor · 1 mention · first at 13:50
  Advertised as a service for diversifying savings into precious metals, unrelated to the main discussion.

Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 There is dueling information on whether since our show yesterday, the FBI has quote moved on from, and by FBI, I mean FBI and the uh Puma County Sheriff's Department from Pac-Man, who we analyzed at length yesterday, uh the man who had two backpacks in a back alley uh a few miles away from Nancy Guthri's case almost at the same time of the Nancy Guthrie um home invasion. if the camera was right in the alley, put it around um 1:53 a.m. someplace around there. And of course, we're told that the doorbell was disconnected at NY's house at 1:47 and that someone was spotted on camera at 2:12 a.m. So, the NBC News Nightly program, I think it was last night, Tom Winter, who's been covering the case for them, reports that law enforcement has quote moved on. I think he said that the that that man is not a person of interest or a suspect. they've moved on.

0:57 And uh TMZ saying that's not true, saying that their sources say no. Uh your information is wrong. That uh no one has been cleared. That was the word. They've been cleared. And Harvey says no. My FBI source tells me no one has been cleared in relation to that video. So let's just start there. What's going on there? I mean, I tried to get to the bottom of this and basically I was directed to the Puma County Sheriff's Department. I mean, that they're the ones supposed to be running her on this. They're the only ones who can clear or not clear. And while the FBI may be telling Harvey he's not cleared, no one's cleared, Tom Winter seems to have two just law enforcement sources saying he is. So, Jim, what do you think is happening here?

1:46 No one is. No one is cleared in this investigation, Megan, at this point in time. You can talk at the inner circle of the family to guys like this who pop up, you know, days later, weeks later, a week and a half later on some kind of a video. So, you know, unless someone's actually in prison, locked up, no anza for CCTV on him, they know where he is. No one is going to be cleared. And even if this guy is not the one or someone is in prison and he's he they know he didn't do the abduction of of of Nancy Guthrie, you know, does he know someone who did? Was he involved in some sort of co-conspir? So I said yesterday, this guy has to be ruled out before Well, they can do other things at the same time, but he has to be ruled out before they say he's cleared. We're hearing conflicting stories. One people said, or one set of people said yes, other people said no. My idea is you keep them, you know, you move them down the priority

2:36 list. You put them in section, you know, C, D, or E of suspects, but you still keep an eye on them, keep everything, get DNA, get fingerprints if that's possible, and then compare it from there. But I would say if I was the investigator, and Moren can disagree with this as she wants, but this guy is still in the suspect pool because there's too many factors that lined up when they shouldn't have lined up. Same time, same location, backpacks, all that stuff. So, he has to be kept in that suspect pool. I'm not sure if he's been identified or not. That would be a big

3:04 Yeah, I don't I mean they could No one would have told Tom Win. I mean, Tom Winter is a good reporter. Um, no one would have said he was cleared if they hadn't identified him. I just don't can't believe that. Uh, but here is Harvey who clearly does have some FBI sources. He, this here, he cites FBI. Normally, he just cites law enforcement, but he his only role in this whole case has been the so-called ransom notes, which we know the FBI is handling. Quite clearly, he's got a source or sources within the FBI. And this is what he said on Hannity last night. Moren, here it is. S three.

3:34 Why is NBC dismissing this now that apparently they have determined that the man has been cleared in this case? Cuz it looks like a strange coincidence to me.

3:45 Yeah. I mean, look, I'm not going to embrace or dispute what NBC said. I can only tell you uh about an hour ago I called uh one of my sources at the FBI who was involved in this case who said um that nobody has been cleared in connection with the video. That doesn't mean they're implicated either, but they said they're looking at everything including this. So I'm getting different information from the FBI.

4:14 Okay. So what do you make of it? I think that in the bureau we're doing different things and um you know Fitz has talked at length about uh the number of different investigations in all these different silos that are happening simultaneously including the sheriff's department. Our team is just not going to give up especially like the um cast team, the um cellular analysis team and others. We are just not going to give up until we check every single solitary box that we check. And for two different agencies to have two different ways of going about things is totally natural.

4:52 Um, you're always going to have hiccups. You're always going to have issues among personnel. But that's where leadership comes in. If you're a good leader, you you know, like more than one time I had a supervisor say, "Hey, I need you to go over here and build a damn bridge. And I don't care what you have to do to build it. Build it because we have whatever the situation is at hand." And here the situation obviously is an 84 year old woman. So, we have different ways of going about it. We're not going to tell them how to handle their business.

5:18 They're not they they're not going to be telling us how to handle ours and then at the end of the day, we just share every or in a in a you know really good situation, we're going to share all the information and we're going to do it in the command post and we're going to say this is what we found. This is

5:34 with respect to this guy though, I think we're we're we're it's fair to say he's he's not a great lead. No one's considering him their hottest lead right now. Otherwise, the messaging overall would be different. And so that's disturbing because now we have at least two men who one we know committed a crime, one we think looks pretty sketchy with the double backpack in the alley in the middle of the night trying to get through some gate. Doesn't exactly look like um you know he's he's working on his dissertation. So I'm not sure what's happening there in Tucson. And then we have a third person. Now, another video has emerged and we're going to show that today of yet another guy. This guy is um on a porch. This again comes from one of the um Ring camera forums in and around Tucson. Like people talk and they they link their rim ring cameras and they see it talk about what they've seen on there. Now, look at this guy. He was all

6:33 over this woman's porch in the middle of the night. Look at him, you guys. He's got the dark mustache. He's got the dark sole patch into a beard underneath his chin. He's got pretty distinguished eyebrows. Now, unfortunately, he is also kind of skinny in my view. That That's a distinction from the man who was on Dancy Guthri's porch. You can tell he sort of knows about the ring camera here himself. Um, but look at that. before he manages to cover it up or do whatever he did to it. Boy, oh boy, you have a pretty good head shot of him. So, Jim, I he does there is a striking similarity between this guy and his face at least and what we think is behind that masked man on NY's porch.

7:19 Um, and once again, as I've said about the last guy we showed and the guy we the same guy we talked about yesterday, by the way, Moren and I came up with the name Tupac for him.

7:28 Tupac. This latest guy. No, no, the guy from yesterday. Oh, Pac-Man. Oh, Tupac Tupac. Yeah. Anyway, but this guy, yeah, there are some similarities certainly through the eyeholes. They've got to follow up on this. I would want to know how far away from NY's house, the exact night, the same, uh, or and the time of day. Uh, and perhaps if any other ring cameras picked this guy up along the way, he's certainly acting suspicious like he doesn't belong there. Um, yeah, side by side. Of course not. I mean, unless it's an ex-girlfriend or something. We just don't know that. But I'm sure the ex-girlfriend wouldn't be putting this thing out unless she wanted to, you know, upset her ex-boyfriend. So, he has to be looked into. Facial recognition.

8:08 Local sheriff deputies are going to know this guy. Most likely someone will recognize him and say, "Hey, who is he?" If he's just a normal, you know, uh, you know, street guy doing his thing, that's one that's one thing. But if he's a obviously if he's there for some other reason, that has to be determined. And if he never shows up and turns himself in, that's a clue, too. So, we have to get these guys identified is the bottom line and maybe just move on from there, but without knowing who they are, their names or or where exactly they were, you know, at 147 or so uh that sun Sunday morning, um they got to keep him in the suspect pool.

8:42 We don't know, but somebody knows. Here's the information. The original poster of the video uh goes by Keen Divine online. And this was originally posted at uh it was dated January 23rd, you know, last month from the neighbors like Ring camera app, not far from Nancy. Um then our friend Nerdy Addict on X, he reposted it, which is where I saw it this morning. The man showed up on someone's porch, he said around 3:30 a.m., and then returned again at 5:00 a.m., prompting a concerned Ring user to post about it on the neighbor app. This home is roughly 6 milesi south of Nancy Guthri's house. Look at that. I mean, short of it like being vertical, this guy gave us like his own little mug shot. I mean, somebody should be looking into him for what, if anything, may have gone missing on that porch at a minimum.

9:30 Um the link that the neighbor who posted it on the neighborsring.com uh that that post says um this guy appeared in the front yard around 3:30 a.m. then returned around 5:00 a.m. My dogs went crazy barking and thankfully spooked him away. I didn't answer the door. Anyone else one else see him in the area of 6th between Campbell and Tucson Boulevard. Uh he's got on a light color and now moving on just what we see in the video for the listing audience. He has dark hair, dark facial hair, a mustache, the sole patch underneath his bottom lip. Um, he approaches the doorway, appears to be carrying a light colored sweatshirt or jacket. He he sort of oddly hunches over, we think, probably trying to avoid detection on the camera, which failed with his rear end to the camera, but I mean, he's caught like his whole face is on there.

10:20 Um, he he shuffles to the side, appears to try to block the camera unsuccessfully. Uh, you see his entire face. He does have more rounded eyes and um it looks a little bit like he has something on his neck, like a tattoo. It's hard to see. And he looks Hispanic to me. You can't really tell in this black and white video for sure. Um but I don't know. To me, still he seems too skinny. The guy who was at NY's for sure um to me looks slightly huskier than this guy and huskier than Tupac. Uh and now let's see. Uh, yes, this is somebody on the Nerdy Addict thread. Chapa Jones points out, notice how he uses the same hand to block the camera, then almost seemingly instinctively does the same little crouch down to the left motion as the abductor or or as the mass lick guy as Tupac. He's saying as the as Tupac does in the video, it's like he's reaching for something that isn't there. A lot of speculation about whether this is the

11:22 same guy. Let me just I mean any thoughts on all of that? Because this is somebody who was in the area. He came back an hour and a half later. I mean, this is very suspicious. And by the way, we think NY's abductor may have come back. You know, the he he came he approached that door more than once. We at least think that cuz he didn't have the backpack on in that one shot. Moren,

11:43 right? Um he I I think you're right about this guy. He's got those large eyes and he's got those eyebrows that are perfectly arched at the bottom and he's got the right facial hair around his mouth. I wish I could see the mouth a little bit better.

12:00 Yeah, because the perpetrator at NY's house has thick lips that that were perfectly calm the whole time. I mean, there are people that can't pick up a plate or turn a doororknob without making some sort of, you know, tightening up their face in some way, shape, or form, but this that person on NY's porch just was calm as a cucumber the whole time. I do see a similarity, as you pointed out, about how calm this person is. This new video, the way he just saunters around um and he's hunched over. He seems to be a bit taller and I would agree a bit thinner, but we don't know that right now. Maybe we can get that team out on the uh front porch to measure all that, but I don't see this person standing up straight. Did the Does it say or did it mention at all if um this person in this newest video was seen at other houses in the area or just that one particular

12:56 did not say that. Um and I mean one notable distinction is he did not wear a ski mask. So, if that was a crime, unlike Tupac or Pac-Man, who was just sort of who looked like he had just committed a crime, this is just my own supposition, or might be about to. So, and was in an area where the crime didn't appear to be happening. It seemed to be more like where he was stashing something. Could be totally reasonable explanation for his behavior. Should note that for the record. Um, this guy was in the midst of something that looked sketchy, like on the porch, and he was not wearing the face mask, unlike NY's abductor who did have the space ma the face mask.

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Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "NEW Ring Video Shows Mystery Man in Nancy Guthrie Neighborhood Days Before Abduction, w/ FBI Agents"?

Megyn Kelly (Guest), Jim (Guest), Moren (Guest).

What is "NEW Ring Video Shows Mystery Man in Nancy Guthrie Neighborhood Days Before Abduction, w/ FBI Agents" about?

Recent developments in the investigation surrounding the abduction case of Nancy Guthrie reveal conflicting reports about a man captured on video in her neighborhood days before the incident, with law enforcement sources disputing whether he has been cleared as a suspect. While some reports suggest the FBI and local sheriff's department have moved on from identifying the man as a person of…

What is mentioned in this Megyn Kelly episode?

9 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Nancy Guthrie, FBI, Crypto Megan, Puma County Sheriff's Department, New York, New York, Tom Winter. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "NEW Ring Video Shows Mystery Man in Nancy Guthrie Neighborhood Days Before Abduction, w/ FBI Agents"?

The episode runs 15 min; the transcript is about 2,838 words in 24 timestamped sections.

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