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Nuzzi Drama Takes Wild Turn as Ex-Fiance Alleges Affair with ANOTHER Politician, w/ Emily Jashinsky

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Nuzzi Drama Takes Wild Turn as Ex-Fiance Alleges Affair with ANOTHER Politician, w/ Emily Jashinsky", an episode of Megyn Kelly published November 18, 2025 (18 min, about 3,331 words). It mentions 21 people, works and ideas, including Vanity Fair, Mark Sanford, Fake news, Telos News, South Carolina.

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 3:00: Telos News, Vanity Fair
  2. – 6:00: South Carolina
  3. – 9:00: Mark Sanford, Fake news, Vanity Fair
  4. – 12:00: New Journalism, New York Magazine
  5. – 15:00: American KTO, Vanity Fair, White House
  6. – 18:00: Birch Gold Group, Central Bank, Fake news, US dollar as the global reserve currency

Notable quotes from "Nuzzi Drama Takes Wild Turn as Ex-Fiance Alleges Affair with ANOTHER Politician, w/ Emily Jashinsky"

  • So Ryan Liza decides upon the excerpt of this thing being published in Vanity Fair to finally really speak out about this, which he really hasn't so far. Olivia did give a couple of minor interviews just to sort of salvage her.
    about Vanity Fair · at
  • Presidential race he says but Newsie was busy spending more and more time on the road including in South Carolina which he believed was for reporting instead Liza now claims…
    about South Carolina · at
  • News. Quote, We have a big problem, he recalled telling the agent, quote, Olivia is sleeping with Mark Sanford.
    about Mark Sanford · at
  • That's really what they want more than she already has been. She already lost her job at New York Magazine.
    about New York Magazine · at
  • She's trying to come across that she's trying to make come across in the book u even calling it American KTO.
    about American KTO · at
  • Somebody tweeted out a picture, a headline of like Olivia Nzy in the White House with Trump and like three other figures and he just wrote, oh, it was just which was funny. But look, I what I would want and look, she doesn't need my.
    about White House · at
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  • Fake news — Concept · 2 mentions · first at
    2020, people weren't responding to this kind of news the way Trump did. it was like fake news, screw everyone. And then people looking the other way, like pretending not to…
  • New Journalism — Concept · 1 mention · first at
    Which I'm assuming is what the gig is going to look like. then you know if she's writing in first person new journalism style by all means like let's we should be begging her…
  • Central Bank — Concept · 1 mention · first at
    $4,000 an ounce. Why? Global uncertainty. 2025 has been defined by trade wars. Central banks are pulling from the US dollar as the global reserve currency and military tension…
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    Uncertainty. 2025 has been defined by trade wars. Central banks are pulling from the US dollar as the global reserve currency and military tension continues to build. Gold…
  • Gold as Investment — Concept · 1 mention
  • IRA (Individual Retirement Account) — Concept · 1 mention
  • Presidential Race 2020 — Concept · 1 mention

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Full transcript with timestamps

So Ryan Liza decides upon the excerpt of this thing being published in Vanity Fair to finally really speak out about this, which he really hasn't so far. I mean, Olivia did give a couple of minor interviews just to sort of salvage her reputation when this was all happening to her, but she did. She hadn't done the big in-depth thing like she just did with the New York Times and the excerpt to Vanity Fair. So now Ryan Liza has had about enough of this and he decides on um he left Politico during this whole scandal and he decides on his new it's not Substack. It's a publication I hadn't actually yet heard of. What's it called Steve?

Telos. Oh it is his Substack but he just calls it Telos News. What does that mean? Telos. Is that a Spanish reference? I don't even know what that is. What is Telos? T E L O S.

It's Latin. Oh, I'm not I went to public school and they I don't I I can't tell you what it means.

Okay. Well, in any event, I'll ask my kids. They're in private school. They know they know Latin or at least a few words. I knew I learned a few in law, but not enough. Okay. So, he is like, "Okay, It's time for me to pick up my pen because I'm a writer, too." And here's what happens. Uh, the New York Post is writing this up. They say, um, Liza, well, I mean, I read his piece, so actually we don't need to I have it here. Stand by. We don't need to rely on the New York Post, though. They did do a good write up of it. Where is it? I have so many papers. Maybe I left it in the other room. My god.

I like how they went to the overhead camera so we can see all of your papers. I like there's so many. Like, there's so many affairs to keep track of. I I don't have it all. Okay. In any event, I guess I left it back in my other room, but I do have uh the the write up on it and my team's write up on it. Okay. Um he's he writes about how early on in their relationship, he helped her out of a jam with Keith Oberman, whom she had dated. It's the the way he words it in his piece is a little weird. It almost makes it sound like she she cheated on him with Keith Oberman, but that's not it.

She dated Keith Oberman when she was very young, like 20, 21, um, and like new to New York, and lived with Keith Oberman, or at least he paid for her studio apartment. And, um, points out like he spent lavished thousands of dollars upon her. Keith Oberman is now gleefully confirming all of this, saying, "Oh, I was making tons of money at the time. We were together four years. That's four birthdays, four Christmases, four anniversaries. What was I supposed to get her? like a a a a you know pl a Kmart gift card, you know, like, okay, you're super important, Keith Overberman. But I'm not going to lie, him actually being Olivia Nuzie's boyfriend for four years does make him slightly cooler than I thought he was.

Um dude's got game. So he's out there. He's enjoying every second of this. And uh Ryan Liza writes about how she came to him, Olivia did, and is like, "Please help me, you know, clean up this mess that I made with Keith Overberman." And he did. I'm not exactly sure how they needed to do it, but he she needed to get away from him. She didn't like Keith Overberman when all was said and done. What a shock. And uh he helped her clean up that mess. Do we still have Emily? Did we lose her? Uh oh, we lost Emily. Oh my god. Who is it? Keith Oberman. He's interfer This is This is the part where it just gets good for Keith Bberman. All right, we're going to get her back on, but she knows the story, so I'm going to continue reading for the listening audience. Um, okay. And then Ryan Liza writes as follows, that there was a period in their relationship where he uncovered a secret love letter on hotel stationary

after she returned from covering what he thought was just the presidential race in 2020. She was on the road. He thought she was just doing like presidential politics coverage. and he finds a secret love letter she began to pen but did not yet complete on hotel stationery. Um, and it was not addressed to Ryan. It was addressed to someone named Mark. Um, it went on to like have some kind of corny lines like quote, "If I swallowed every drop of water from the tower above your house, I would still thirst for you." She had written in this note dated March 5th, 2020. According to Liza, their home, he noted, had no water tower. Oh god, this is so to so sad. Why do we know this? We Why are we knowing any of this? Uh he wrote that another page named the recipient of the letter as Mark, which is not his name, which he said confirmed what he feared, an alleged physical relationship with someone other than himself. by

early 2020 2020 he Ryan and Olivia had signed a contract to write a book on the presidential race he says uh but Newsie was busy spending more and more time on the road uh including in South Carolina which he believed was for reporting instead Liza now claims uh that she quote secretly followed this particular man on the campaign trail to pursue him allegedly sending him explicit photos and messages while telling Ryan Liza that she was quote dealing with the crisis concerning her sick mother. He says she admitted to him that the relationship with this man intensified, ultimately leading to a sexual encounter at his home the night she went dark and stopped answering messages uh from Liza.

And he finishes his piece. stand by uh by phoning his agent and delivering the news. Quote, "We have a big problem," he recalled telling the agent, quote, "Olivia is sleeping with Mark Sanford." Mark Sanford was a presidential candidate back in 2020 who made news because he was caught cheating on his wife with a different woman, which became the big story. remember he went like hiking with her on like some Argentinian trail or something. I can't remember the details, but it was like it was all over the news and it he had been considered a front runner and then it just killed his chances. But back in 2020, people weren't responding to this kind of news the way Trump did. You know, it was like fake news, screw everyone. And then people looking the other way, like pretending not to believe it. Um it it really did mess up his campaign. And now it turns out according to Ryan Liza that Olivia too

was having an affair with Mark Sanford and at a time he alleges she has not yet responded to this. So we'll find out whether she denies this at a time when she was covering him. And indeed if you look back she did profile Mark Sanford. Uh there are pictures of it. And um Ryan Liza says at this time she was either in the midst of or beginning an affair with him and went on to continue covering him and um she was sleeping with her subject which is a very clear journalistic no no that is not okay by any any anyone's measure. Um he asks how could we write a book about the presidential campaign if Olivia had a sexual relationship with one of the candidates and they didn't write that book though I think by 2024 when they broke up over the alleged Kennedy affair they had once again decided to write a book together like they patched things up after Sanford stayed together and once again had decided to write a book together which

once again had to be shelved because again she was covering RFKJ and allegedly fell in love with him. Well, she says she fell in love with him and began this via text affair. She claims again RFKJ is suggesting though not that explicitly that she's some sort of a psycho stalker who like developed a fixation on him after one profile of him. Okay, that's where things are now. Emily, she's back with us. Um, so how do the Ryan Liza revelations about Sanford and this allegedly being a pattern change things? Because I will tell you, there's now a push by Twitter, by X for her to lose this the gig she's now got at Vanity Fair. They want they want her to be punished for all of this.

That's really what they want more than she already has been. She already lost her job at New York Magazine.

Well, I think that's dumb. I mean, she's an essayist. I think her title with Vanity Fair is West Coast Correspondent, something like that. And uh she's she's an essaist. If she's not covering like the daily Tik Tok of Capitol Hill and campaigns and and politics as someone who's like breaking news, uh then, you know, she's just going to sort of cover politics from a a literary perspective, which I'm assuming is what the gig is going to look like. uh then you know if she's writing in first person new journalism style by all means like let's we should be begging her to continue writing at this point because she's giving so much. Um but Liza I found just his his revelation which he also wrote he wrote in this like over wrought pros where he's talking about tinkering in the garden and tending to his bamboo and cleaning up Olivia's mess.

He's really upset about the bamboo in the garden. He tried TO PULL IT OUT, PULL it out, pull it out and he keeps regrowing. I mean, you know, these are the types of people who just like love m making like I don't know. I I it these are the types of people that think very highly of themselves and Liza is the type of person here who thinks he is coming across in a way that repairs his reputation but actually it is so profoundly unmasculine uh to to treat a

not great no I mean to treat a woman that you were with this way to talk about how you didn't really want to get engaged to her you just wanted to live with her and test her out and then to say Well, you know, Olivia started this. I was going to be quiet about all of it. We agreed to be quiet about all of it. Uh, and then to go spill all of these details and to be the one who nobody would have known about Mark Samford if he hadn't written about it. You like to to be the man and to be the person who has to tattletail on this younger woman that you were in a relationship with despite having children and a family. You were living with her. And to blame her, I mean, it just it doesn't make him come across better. it makes him uh come across like a narcissist and immature and there's something like deeply unmasculine about it. So, I thought the subsec was was helpful to that effect and uh giving us some insight into how

he conducts himself. Not to mention all of the men on X that I have read today are like, "Dude, this is not something you want to admit about yourself that she had this affair, that you stayed with her, that she had yet another affair, you know, like this isn't this it's not it's not great. I understand that point, but like in his defense, I'll defend him. Um, I think he's feeling extremely angry and betrayed because he did forgive her clearly that first time and I'm sure it was painful to read the excerpt. He read it with a very different eye, I'm sure, than you and I did and did not appreciate, you know, the talking about her having RFKJ's baby and what she loved about him, his eyes and his nose and how he said he'd take a bullet for her and how his desire. I mean, can you imagine if you were her fiance? the anger that would be surging through your veins in reading that. Now, he says he's

with another person now and that this new gal is great and and he loves doing the Substack and that's all good for Ryan, but I'm sure his anger led him to just say, "Fuck it.

It's on." Like, I'm going to drop the bomb that I've been withholding, which is because this really it does change things. I mean, honestly, it does change things to find out it's it's a pattern if it's true that like this is the second presidential candidate that she's covered and slept with at the same time. Like, I'm not saying it's great to to do it once. Um, for the record that I've never slept at the source. Just want to make sure I I'm not making excuses for her because this is something like trust me, I I' I've never slept at the source.

Um, but it's one thing like affairs of the heart, people are unhappily married, but like a pattern, you know, and especially with like the older man thing. And it's like I see the point people are raising, which is like

how could you employ her as a politics reporter at this point? She is, as you point out, West Coast editor for Vanity Fair, which seems fine, and I don't think for one second she should lose that position.

Yeah, I agree with that. And I mean I just the the sad part of this is Olivia did lose her father pretty young and you know her also claim to fame was parlaying a gig on the Anthony Weiner campaign an internship on the Anthony Weiner campaign into uh a big yeah into a big essay. And so it just seems like she's been through a perfect storm of uh like personal and political and professional uh pain and weirdness. And I get that's sort of the poetry that she's trying to uh come across that that she's trying to make come across in the book u even calling it American KTO.

this idea that uh her personal story has been woven with this really crazy decade interwoven with this really crazy decade plus in American politics in a a somewhat um interesting and and instructive way but but also I mean it's definitely there there's clearly something that personally is creating a a pattern and that's I hope that she gets help for that because it's replicated itself a number of times now in a way that's uh brought it has hurt other kids I'm I'm sure Liz's kids have been really hurt by this. I'm sure Liza has been really hurt by this. And nobody deserves that.

It sounds like he hurt them and then they got more hurt. I don't know. I I think even Liza is 10 years older than she is, right? Like Overman, who was like decades older. Liz is at least 10 years older. RFKJ is almost 40 years older. Um

Sanford is a lot older, too. Like I I don't know. Somebody, I think it was Charles CW Cook, tweeted out uh or somebody tweeted out a picture, a headline of like Olivia Nzy uh in in the White House with Trump and like three other figures and he just wrote wrote, "Uh oh, it was just which was funny." But look, I I what I would want and look, she doesn't need my advice but Olivia has tons of raw talent and she's got a very bright future. This is a dark chapter, but she she's going to be around as a political writer for a very long time. And I would love for her and all young writers coming up and young reporters coming up to realize that the the best and really only way to make your name in this industry is through your talent. I mean, it's just it's the best and really only way to rise up and sustain a career in this industry. And you know, the more distractions like this. Part of it is life at people

aren't they're not perfect. They make mistakes. Sometimes those mistakes if you're a public figure make news. And sometimes when the news is about you and it's so loud you feel like you have to say something. I think that's kind of the position she was in here. But it's not something you want to dine out on at all. It's something you want to move on from quickly. And you know, with any sort of PR crisis like like this one, it's probably just best to own it. Own it all. own it early and move on because it's not a fake news controversy. It's a real controversy. You know, she admits this happened. So, it's like, okay, I mean, I will just say like when involved in fake news controversies, I have learned at the ripe old age I am, don't give them any oxygen because that's exactly what your detractors want. They want nothing more than for you to spin your own wheels on their nonsense about you. It took me 55 years

as of today. Uh, but I finally figured that one out, EJ. So hopefully the young gals coming up behind me and guys for that matter can learn that it's your birthday rather than later.

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Questions about this episode

What is discussed in "Nuzzi Drama Takes Wild Turn as Ex-Fiance Alleges Affair with ANOTHER Politician, w/ Emily Jashinsky"?

In order: 0:00 Telos News, Vanity Fair; 3:00 South Carolina; 6:00 Mark Sanford, Fake news, Vanity Fair; 9:00 New Journalism, New York Magazine; 12:00 American KTO, Vanity Fair, White House; 15:00 Birch Gold Group, Central Bank, Fake news, US dollar as the global reserve currency.

What is mentioned in this Megyn Kelly episode?

21 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Vanity Fair, Mark Sanford, Fake news, Telos News, South Carolina, New York Magazine. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Nuzzi Drama Takes Wild Turn as Ex-Fiance Alleges Affair with ANOTHER Politician, w/ Emily Jashinsky"?

The episode runs 18 min; the transcript is about 3,331 words in 30 timestamped sections.

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