Police Search Apparent MANHOLE Near Nancy Guthrie's House and Tow Her Car, with Fitzgerald and Ayers

What this episode is about

Police conducted a search near Nancy Guthrie's home, reportedly investigating a manhole, while Savannah Guthrie and her family stayed at a nearby mansion amid an unfolding FBI investigation. The Daily Mail revealed that Nancy had been attending church online rather than in person, which raises questions about her absence from a planned gathering with friends and clarifies some aspects of the timeline surrounding the police activity.

Key takeaways

• Savannah Guthrie's desert retreat: suspenseful drama or an escape from FBI scrutiny? Talk about 'location, location, location!'
• Nancy's online church attendance is a puzzling twist—was it a spiritual choice or a tactical evasion of social norms?
• The FBI's metal detector search raises eyebrows—just looking for a weapon, or probing deeper into a more sinister mystery?
• Grid searches are key! Lack of intensity suggests authorities might think Nancy's not in the immediate area. Curious logic!
• The timeline discrepancies leave us all scratching our heads. Can the truth survive in a world of shifting narratives?

Who speaks in this episode?

• Megyn Kelly (Guest) · 9 min speaking
• Chad (Guest) · 6 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 3:00: St. Andrews Presbyterian Church, Nancy Guthrie, Daily Mail, Savannah Guthrie
2. 3:00 – 6:00: grid search, FBI, metal detector
3. 6:00 – 9:00: Nancy Guthrie, desert, FBI, grid search
4. 9:00 – 12:00: pacemaker, Nancy Guthrie, grid search, metal detector
5. 12:00 – 15:00: Birch Gold Group, Birch Gold Group, Nancy Guthrie, Fox News

Notable quotes from "Police Search Apparent MANHOLE Near Nancy Guthrie's House and Tow Her Car, with Fitzgerald and Ayers"

• Mail, which is the one that broke the news that she wasn't attending church in person, that she was Nancy Guthrie was attending it online via a live stream, that was not visible to the congregants.

  about Nancy Guthrie · at 0:43

• Detector down there. So, what do you think is happening here, Chad? Yeah, I think first of all with the metal detector aspect, they're going to see if any type of, weapon was…

  about metal detector · at 3:07

• On. And if there's not an intense grid search going on, it makes me believe that the bureau is truly believing she is not in that immediate area. But good police work. I would…

  about FBI · at 4:01

• Done on body farms, which people donate their bodies and academics and law enforcement. They put the bodies out in various types of terrains underground, above ground, cold…

  about body farms · at 7:20

• Of us want to go here today about Nancy Guthrie, but these are factors that you know they're flying another teams you know into this task force area in Tucson and that we're…

  about Tucson · at 8:08

• I hate to say it, but the pacemaker would still be there, you know? the pacemaker is not something that an animal would consume.

  about pacemaker · at 10:18

• That just reminded me, think about the timeline. Friday night, we saw a video courtesy of Fox News of them on the rooftop finding that camera. There is 100% a camera on the top…

  about Fox News · at 12:56

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  about Birch Gold Group · at 14:10

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Nancy Guthrie — Person · Central subject of investigation (referenced person) · 7 mentions · first at 0:47
  The discussion centers on her disappearance, the search activity at her property, and investigative theories (grid searches, devices, vehicle seizure).
• Savannah Guthrie — Person · Referenced family member in news story · 2 mentions · first at 0:10
  Mentioned via a Daily Mail headline about relocating to a desert hideaway amid an FBI search connected to 'Sister Annie'.
  That's relevant to something we've been discussing. The headline of the piece is anguished Savannah Guthrie rushes to $1.2 million desert hideaway amid FBI search at Sister…
• Donald Trump — Person · Referenced public figure · 1 mention · first at 13:58
  Briefly mentioned as having made comments later that Friday night; not developed further in the excerpt.
  There from Sunday to Friday if he knew about it. And it does get kind of interesting that it was Friday night that President Trump later made his comments.

Companies & orgs

• FBI — Company · Law enforcement agency · 3 mentions · first at 0:12
  Central to the investigation discussed in the podcast, conducting searches and coordinating efforts.
• Daily Mail — Company · News outlet · 2 mentions · first at 0:00
  Source of information and updates regarding the case discussed in the podcast.
  Details of where they're staying since it's unnecessary. but almost as a throwaway in here, you guys, the Daily Mail, which is the one that broke the news that she wasn't…
• Fox News — Company · News outlet · 1 mention · first at 13:02
  Mentioned as providing video footage related to the investigation.
• Pima County Sheriff — Company · Law enforcement agency · 1 mention · first at 13:40
  Mentioned as part of the local law enforcement involved in the case.
  Creatures. So it is possible you guys that camera did have some sort of a recording capacity to it. Clearly the Puma County Sheriff missed it because he wouldn't have left a…
• Better Business Bureau — Company · Organization · 1 mention · first at 14:47
  Mentioned in the context of Birch Gold Group's credibility.
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Products & tech

• pacemaker — Product · Investigative clue / medical device referenced in timeline · 4 mentions · first at 1:12
  Discussed as a device that disconnected from a phone app and as a potential detectable metal object relevant to searches.
• metal detector — Product · Search tool (investigative equipment) · 2 mentions · first at 3:05
  Referenced as being lowered into an opening/tank area to detect metal objects (weapon or pacemaker) during the search.

Concepts & topics

• grid search — Concept · Investigation technique · 5 mentions · first at 3:59
  Method used by law enforcement to systematically search for evidence or remains.
  We have seen some maps being attached to vehicles. I would assume that there would be an intense grid search going on. And if there's not an intense grid search going on, it…
• body farms — Concept · Research facility · 1 mention · first at 7:19
  Discussed in the context of forensic research on decomposition in various environments.
• ground penetrating radar — Concept · Technology · 1 mention · first at 9:46
  Discussed as a tool used in forensic searches to detect disturbances in the ground.
  Warrants or not, if they're needed to look for shallow graves. And there's there's ground penetrating radar that's out there and that's very sophisticated. You can find movement of the earth. You can see that from above.

Places & events

• desert — Place · Setting · 3 mentions · first at 0:12
  Mentioned as a possible location where evidence or remains might be found.
  That's relevant to something we've been discussing. The headline of the piece is anguished Savannah Guthrie rushes to $1.2 million desert hideaway amid FBI search at Sister…
• St. Andrews Presbyterian Church — Place · Location · 3 mentions · first at 0:47
  Mentioned in the context of the victim's last known activities and timeline.
  Moved out of range. And then they write the alarm was not raised until the following day when Nancy failed to join a group of friends who had been due to watch an online…
• Tucson — Place · Location · 1 mention · first at 8:14
  Mentioned as a place where additional teams are being deployed for the investigation.

Sponsors

• Birch Gold Group — Product · Sponsor (ad read) · 2 mentions · first at 14:17
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• Birch Gold Group — Company · Sponsor · 2 mentions · first at 14:19
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Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 The Daily Mail just dropping this piece as we signed off from the two o'clock hour. And there's something in here that's relevant to something we've been discussing. The headline of the piece is anguished Savannah Guthrie rushes to $1.2 million desert hideaway amid FBI search at Sister Annie's home. And as 5:00 p.m. ransom deadline looms. And it's all about how she, her brother, her sister, and they say her brother-in-law have moved into this mansion, which is in a gated community, which is good. Um, as they wait this thing out and u will refrain from giving any of the other details of where they're staying since it's unnecessary. Um, but almost as a throwaway in here, you guys, the Daily Mail, which is the one that broke the news that she wasn't attending church in person, that she was Nancy Guthrie was attending it online via a live stream, that was not visible to the congregants.

0:55 Um, leaving us all to wonder how would the family have been alerted that she wasn't at church. Answers its own question in here without really calling attention to the fact that they've solved a mystery of their own creation. They write they're going through the timeline of the night in question. Uh her her pacemaker disconnected from an app on her phone suggesting she had moved out of range. And then they write the alarm was not raised until the following day when Nancy failed to join a group of friends who had been due to watch an online service at St. Andrews Presbyterian Church together that morning. 11 at 11:56 a.m. NY's family arrived to her home and so on. So that if that's true that she wasn't going I mean it's kind of odd she wasn't going to church since co presumably because of the germ factor. I don't know but she was gathering with friends to watch the church like if you gather with her I

1:52 don't whatever that that may have been her habit. If that's true, then it would explain how things went down that morning, but it would not clear up the discrepancy in the timing as the police changed the timeline dramatically at that Thursday presser. You know, Nanos was all over the news media saying that the family had called had arrived at the house around 11 11:10 and didn't call them until 11:57. Sorry, just afternoon. And he was like, "Oh, it took him an hour to to look for her." And then at that presser he just completely changed it to it only took him seven minutes to call us. They arrived at 11:57 and they called at 4 after. That has not been explained. But if that's true about her watching generally the online service with friends and she didn't show up to the friend group, that would explain it, I think. Okay. But now I want to shift to discussing what they were searching you

2:44 guys. Um they went to the back of the property, NY's property, and they removed this um we're calling it a manhole cover because that's what it looks like. and they shoved like some long pole down there. We believe it might have been a water tank of some sort because it doesn't look like a septic tank given how casual the guy is. He's not dressed in a mask or anything. Um, and they we reportedly put a metal detector down there. So, what what do you think is happening here, Chad? Yeah, I I think first of all with the metal detector aspect, they're going to see if any type of, you know, weapon was disregarded uh into this area. I think that's a mixture of a weapon or also looking for a body. Listen, we we we do have confirmation that there are agencies out there conducting grid searches. Now, I did I think I asked uh on Friday or it might have been yesterday with a with a team of people.

3:40 We were discussing this. [snorts] They said there's not a lot of grid searching going on right there in that immediate area. I find that very interesting. Now granted, I've pulled this location up on a map. I've looked at the topography of it and we do see we we have seen some maps being attached to vehicles. I would assume that there would be an intense grid search going on. And if there's not an intense grid search going on, it makes me believe that the bureau is truly believing she is not in that immediate area. But good police work. I would still I'm I'm not trusting these kidnappers. I'm still going to conduct a grid search, you know, of all over that area. I'm going to put guys on horseback. I'm going to have Bortac come in because they are very good at working in that type of terrain. Um but it would be interesting, Megan, to you know, I know you've got um some of your team that should be

4:29 arriving pretty soon. So, I would love to know what it looks like around the area uh of that residence. Is there, you know, boots on the ground searches being conducted in that immediate vicinity? And also, what

4:43 I mean, we did hear on Saturday night that they did a grid search. They used that term grid search Saturday night over at NY's property. You know, we talked about the search at Annie's property, but at NY's property, they had a grid search going as well, we were told. Well,

4:58 and Chad, they also had um these maps laid out like on the side of their vehicles, like the side of a Jeep or an SUV. They're showing it here, a pickup truck.

5:10 And uh can't quite see it from here, but it's it's like it's the neighborhood. It's like the the the streets of this neighborhood. And obviously, they're very interested. And I don't I mean, I don't know what they're searching for. Is it Is it a weapon? Is it Nancy? Well, I mean, I would have a lot better direction on this, Megan, if we also knew if have we seen dogs on the ground? Are we using blood blood hounds? Are we using cadaavver dogs? Are we using patrol dogs that or or that can can conduct article searches there? You know, canines can I can give them a a command and anything with human odor on it, whether it's a car key, um, you know, evidence can be found by canines.

5:52 These are all questions. And look, we've had drones up, news drones up. We've had news helicopters up. I have not seen many dogs being deployed out in that area, but again, um I'm not there. These are questions that I would love to know.

6:07 I heard um a former FBI agent speaking with with uh Brian over the weekend saying um obviously the animal factor is very dark to consider, but you do have to consider it because they they gave up the search and rescue within 24 hours. And so if, god forbid, Nancy were killed and left out in that desert, you know, anything could have happened to her by now. And and with if if her remains are gone, so is evidence. Um, but this FBI agent Jim was talking about how the FBI would have her, as a matter of course, if they're searching an area like this, like in the desert, they would gather animal scat, meaning like feces, and they would examine it for bones and human hair, not all of which can be digested even by an animal. So, like the game is not necessarily over if, god forbid, you you're trying to find a murder victim and the animals have gotten to this person before the searchers have. I know this is all

7:14 extremely macob, but this is what guys like you have to think about. Yeah. And I'm familiar with research done on body farms, which people donate their bodies and academics and law enforcement. They put the bodies out in various types of terrains uh underground, above ground, cold, warm, with animals, uh with insects and a lot of different things has been learn have been learned over the last few years, last you know quarter of a century really since uh I know it's been going on. So uh they are very aware.

7:47 Wait, wait, wait. Can you just explain that? Are you saying that like somebody who instead of donating their body to science to be like a cadaavver in a med school, they donate it to a body farm so people can just see what happens to it if you put out in the wilderness?

7:58 And there's video cameras they put on the bodies and uh and they test it every day, temperatures. I mean, all kinds of factors so we know strictly for these types of operations. And none of us none of us want to go here today about Nancy Guthrie, but these are factors that you know they're flying another teams uh you know into this task force area in Tucson and that we're saying hey this is our specialty let us go out and do this. So of course they're looking into the wells, septic tanks, whatever they are with different types of devices and and Megan it was early last week I think I said to you I'm hoping they really checked the property of Mrs. got through including the pool room where the filter chlorinators kept and of course by extension any type of a well on her property water tower in the area anything like that. So uh this is very logical they had to do I'll tell you and Chad can relate to this I'm sure uh no

8:45 investigator out there nor his or her supervisor when we'll just say Mrs. Guthrie has found wants to be the one to say, "Why didn't you check there? Didn't we tell you to do that?" Or, "Isn't that, you know, uh uh forensics 101 or uh you know, grid search 101?" So, they want to make sure they're covering every track and but not just for that reason because they want to get it done right. And uh they've had a week now, over a week, and they're now looking at every single option that they may not have explored. And quite frankly, they should go over it again. I've been in cases um where uh local law enforcement, you know, the recruits, they could be in for two weeks or or two months, they're emptied and maybe 40 or 60 people. They're not getting as many recruits anymore as they used to, but certainly they would bring them in, bust them in. They're the ones doing these crime scene grid searches

9:34 and um and they really should be doing that. Every single square inch of that uh area should be searched, search warrants or not, uh if they're needed to uh to look for shallow graves. And there's there's ground penetrating radar uh that's out there and that that's very sophisticated. You can find movement of the earth. You can see that from above. Uh so there's all kinds of things they're going to do. And that's why I said this team is it's bifurcated. We're working the kidnapping. We're working that someone else just took her and dropped her off. And of course there are sub teams on each one of those trying to put this together. New people are flying in um from all different types of agencies. They come up with ideas. Sure.

10:13 Nothing's worked so far. let's go out and check this place. And that's kind of what they're doing there.

10:18 I mean, I I hate to say it, but the pacemaker would still be there, you know? I mean, the pacemaker is not something that an animal would consume. I'm sorry to get so graphic. It's just as we see them doing grid search after grid search in her backyard. I think we all know exactly what they're looking for. One of two things. clues from the kidnapper slash perpetrator andor Nancy and her remains

10:46 and you know I mean that's why you do a grid search generally and you're looking for evidence and I saw them put that metal detector down there Chad and all I could think was

10:54 would it detect a pacemaker would a metal detector and I actually just did a quick search online it was like well it might it actually might and they they give people who have pacemakers it sounds like kind of conflicting advice about going through a magnetometer like maybe just tell people who are going to wand you that you have it. They tell them uh it's not going to hurt you if you get wanded, but like you don't want the the wand to linger in front of the pacemaker for too long because it could kind of change the wavelength or whatever. But it's possible that they were they were hoping to catch, you know, that piece of metal. Um and maybe that could be an identifying, god forbid, the worst is has happened, an identifying thing that is left behind.

11:33 Sorry again, it's dark, but that's the story that we're covering. Um, the other thing they seized, Chad, and maybe it's just what you guys are saying, was now they seized NY's car. Now, I mean, literally a week after she went missing, but there's not, as far as I know, even an allegation that she drove this car during any of the relevant time frame.

11:57 Well, not just that, we also know that why didn't, you know, did she may have had a car, but we also know we're dealing with an 84 year old lady with a lot of health conditions. did you know questions I would have that we haven't heard is does she still actively drive and if she does you know is it possible you know that she was out driving um and there is trace DNA from uh someone that was in her car whether it is a worker a home again going back to the home health care or someone else I think that that is just good police work to to do a complete analysis of that vehicle as well um and see if there were any fibers in that vehicle. Um, again, we have to do

12:40 like you could had a situation where they were dragging her out of the house and they brushed, you know, put her in the car for a second while we get right. Yeah. Like, in other words, why wouldn't you check it? Why would why wouldn't you take that down to the lab

12:53 and swab every inch of it? But wait, that just reminded me, think about the timeline. Friday night, we saw a video courtesy of Fox News of them on the rooftop finding that that camera. There is 100% a camera on the top of Nancy Guthri's roof. And earlier that week, it had been circulating online and I had seen it myself. There was a post by Nancy Guthrie online um I don't know a while back, it was a couple years ago, saying, "What's the best camera for watching wildlife?" And various people weighed in. She she wanted to see like the coyotes in her backyard who again are mostly nighttime creatures. So it is possible you guys that that camera did have some sort of a recording capacity to it. Clearly the Puma County Sheriff missed it because he wouldn't have left a camera sitting there from Sunday to Friday if he knew about it. And it does it does get kind of interesting that it was Friday night

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Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "Police Search Apparent MANHOLE Near Nancy Guthrie's House and Tow Her Car, with Fitzgerald and Ayers"?

Megyn Kelly (Guest), Chad (Guest).

What is "Police Search Apparent MANHOLE Near Nancy Guthrie's House and Tow Her Car, with Fitzgerald and Ayers" about?

Police conducted a search near Nancy Guthrie's home, reportedly investigating a manhole, while Savannah Guthrie and her family stayed at a nearby mansion amid an unfolding FBI investigation. The Daily Mail revealed that Nancy had been attending church online rather than in person, which raises questions about her absence from a planned gathering with friends and clarifies some aspects of the…

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18 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Nancy Guthrie, FBI, grid search, pacemaker, Daily Mail, desert. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Police Search Apparent MANHOLE Near Nancy Guthrie's House and Tow Her Car, with Fitzgerald and Ayers"?

The episode runs 15 min; the transcript is about 2,875 words in 26 timestamped sections.

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