Sheriff in Nancy Guthrie Case SPEAKS OUT as Reports of TENSION Between Locals and FBI Leak Out

What this episode is about

The sheriff in the Nancy Guthrie case has clarified recent misinformation regarding evidence, specifically denying that a glove was found inside Guthrie's home, while noting that multiple gloves have been discovered in the area. He explained his rationale for utilizing a single lab for evidence analysis to streamline the investigative process and avoid complications that could arise from dividing evidence between multiple laboratories.

Key takeaways

• Sheriff claims no glove found at the scene, but desert gloves are as common as tumbleweeds.
• Using multiple labs? That's like dating two people and hoping they won't find out.
• Sheriff's early enthusiasm has turned to defensive silence—a classic sign of investigative frustration.
• When law enforcement starts pointing fingers, it's often because the evidence trail is going cold.
• Even in high-profile cases, ego can cloud judgment—just ask a sheriff who's inadvertently become the center of attention.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Megyn Kelly (Guest) · 6 min speaking
• James (Guest) · 5 min speaking
• Chad (Guest) · 3 min speaking
• Will (Guest) · 2 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 3:00: Nancy Guthrie, Quantico, Matt Finn
2. 3:00 – 6:00: Nancy Guthrie, Chris Nanos, FBI, Birch Gold Group
3. 6:00 – 9:00: Chris Nanos, Senator Mark Kelly, Birch Gold Group
4. 9:00 – 12:00: FBI, Rick Castigar
5. 12:00 – 15:00: FBI, Nancy Guthrie, Chris Nanos, Rick Castigar

Notable quotes from "Sheriff in Nancy Guthrie Case SPEAKS OUT as Reports of TENSION Between Locals and FBI Leak Out"

• Interviews. I'm done. I'm done with that right now, not unless there's breaking news. But he gave an interview to Fox News's Matt Finn on a lot of things. Let me just give you…

  about Matt Finn · at 0:06

• Surprised by it at all. there is some pretty good evidence that you know no pun intended that the FBI lab at Quantico is a superior choice and mostly because they do this all the time. They created the technology. Do they have access to the.

  about FBI · at 2:13

• Part. And I think the sad part through all of this is at the end of the day, there's still a family that's looking for their missing mother. And there this isn't the type of they need to be hearing or having to deal with. So, I listen, I've.

  about Nancy Guthrie · at 4:49

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  about Birch Gold Group · at 5:49

• With a kidnapping. Oh, I know exactly what to do or who to call, but you know the it's been confirmed that Savannah's first one of her first calls was to Senator Mark Kelly who…

  about Senator Mark Kelly · at 6:47

• The month. It's 2016, February, February 12th, 2016 in an interview with KGUN and he is ripping on the FBI because they were investigating his department's spending and he…

  about Chris Nanos · at 8:35

• Will, because there's another one. The under sheriff out there who is now former under sheriff under this sheriff Nanos is named Rick Castigar and he spoke to Brian Enton. It…

  about Rick Castigar · at 11:39

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Nancy Guthrie — Person · Referenced missing person / victim in the case · 4 mentions · first at 0:31
  The investigation centers on her disappearance; discussion covers evidence claims (e.g., gloves), case classification (missing person vs kidnapping), and the family’s situation.
• Chris Nanos — Person · Referenced law-enforcement official (sheriff / case lead) · 3 mentions · first at 4:14
  Central figure in the discussion: criticized for handling of the investigation, media strategy, and friction with the FBI, including lab-choice decisions and past anti-FBI remarks.
• Rick Castigar — Person · Referenced former undersheriff / internal critic · 2 mentions · first at 11:46
  Quoted criticizing Sheriff Nanos’ ego and arguing the FBI should have been brought in and/or asked to take over once the case was labeled an abduction.
• Matt Finn — Person · Referenced reporter/interviewer · 1 mention · first at 0:09
  Named as the Fox News reporter who interviewed the sheriff, prompting discussion of the sheriff’s statements and evidence clarifications.
• Senator Mark Kelly — Person · Referenced political contact (U.S. Senator) · 1 mention · first at 6:53
  Cited as an early call for help by a family member (Savannah), illustrating attempts to escalate resources/coordination beyond local law enforcement.

Companies & orgs

• FBI — Company · Law enforcement agency · 4 mentions · first at 4:29
  Central to the discussion about the investigation and lab resources

Places & events

• Quantico — Place · Setting · 2 mentions · first at 2:21
  Mentioned in relation to the FBI lab's location and resources
  Surprised by it at all. there is some pretty good evidence that you know no pun intended that the FBI lab at Quantico is a superior choice and mostly because they do this all the time. They created the technology. Do they have access to the.

Sponsors

• Birch Gold Group — Company · Sponsor · 2 mentions · first at 5:58
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Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 I want to tell you what the sheriff is saying because the the reason he gave an interview when he came out earlier this week and said, "I'm not giving any interviews. I'm done. I'm done with that right now, not unless there's breaking news." But he gave an interview to Fox News's Matt Finn on a lot of things. Let me just give you some of the highlights because he did make news in the in the case proper as opposed to just the turf war. He says, first of all, uh it is not true that his office found a glove at NY's home. There had been a news report that in addition to that pair of gloves that were found on the road that a glove had been found inside Nancy Guthri's house and that it had been shipped off.

0:35 He said that's not true. We have no glove. We have never found a glove on the property. He did say though that they have found a lot of gloves, not just the pair that the New York Post happened to be on site when they retrieved um in this case. you know, to the point we were discussing yesterday, it's not that unusual to see gloves discarded in, you know, the desert near cacti and so on. He said they've all been sent off. Um, and he defended his use of that one lab, saying, "We started sending the Guthri evidence to this lab from the start and um along with the Guthrie family DNA and other DNA swabs are all there, too. So it makes sense he said to keep sending the incoming evidence there so the lab can immediately run the new evidence against what is already in house. Hold on a second because he says that in sound bite six which we have on tape.

1:23 I split your evidence to two different labs that could create a conflict but more importantly it adds that additional step. This lab has this piece. This lab has this piece. Now they've got to they've got to converge those two pieces to to make a an elimination or identification. No, just send it to one lab. Let's go. They're both great labs.

1:46 Okay, so let's start there, guys. Uh what do we make of that argument because some people really are hammering him for not using the FBI's lab at Quanico. James is the former FBI. I'll start with you on that.

1:57 Hey, good to see you again. Thanks for having me. I I feel almost clairvoyant in that yesterday I think we said this exact same thing

2:05 and we said that you know that everything looks good on the outside but behind the scenes there's going to be friction and here here we are. Not surprised by it at all. Uh there is some pretty good evidence that you know no pun intended that the FBI lab at Quantico is is a a superior choice and mostly because they do this all the time. They created the technology. Do they have access to the KOD's database? Um, you know, it's a high-profile case, but you know, the sheriff made made a call and and obviously people aren't happy about it and they're going to try to drive a wedge. Uh, and I think you you were spot on earlier when you were saying that, you know, we haven't caught anybody and and now it's looking bad and now we're going to start pointing fingers and and this is very very common.

2:52 It's a bad bad sign. Just as a reporter on the outside, I know when they start doing this, it's bad. It it means they're not getting anywhere.

3:00 That's right. And so it almost to me took out a big eraser and erased all of our leads. Like

3:05 I think I'm starting to think now they're all because they they don't seem close to arresting somebody. Well, they don't talk like this when they're close to arresting somebody.

3:14 No, I mean certainly my experience on negotiations, one of the biggest biggest challenges is just trying to control information. And that's information that's not only imparted by the law enforcement agencies if they are involved or it could be the media or or it could actually be the family itself. So it's about containment of that information, not setting designated schedules for updates or anything like that and being very cautious about what information is going to be revealed that could potentially heed the law enforcement agencies or the investigative agencies that are getting involved in this. So I think there is some ego that's kicking off here with the sheriff and I think you know he he's he's bathing in the spotlight right now as being the sort of the center point for this and that that's concerning because I mean how many cases of this type has he managed before and it's only

4:03 with a lot of years experience that you realize actually the less you say you know the better. Mhm. Yes. I know. I mean, well, you Chad, there's been the difference between the sheriff two Mondays ago and the sheriff that has emerged this week, right? Like when this case first broke, he was talking to everybody. And that seemed okay because it was a missing person's case. It was like we all have to find her. We need the community's help. Everybody pitch in. Find Nancy. All hands on deck. And then the FBI got involved. And then suddenly he wasn't saying as much. And then they held that Thursday presser and they haven't had a presser since. And now since then it's just been rumor, innuendo, accusations behind the scenes, you know, some some leaks to the media, then some denials. Um, it feels more like disarray.

4:48 Yeah. I mean, that's the frustrating part. And and I think the sad part through all of this is at the end of the day, there's still a family that's looking for their missing mother. And and there this isn't the type of they need to be hearing or having to deal with. So, I listen, I've worked plenty of cases with, you know, three-letter agencies, whether it was the FBI, the DEA, and sometimes, listen, you you've got to lower your your your pride a little bit and and realize that, listen, I was a local law enforcement officer, and I understand the resources that the bureau has. And so, it's not them coming over here and trying to take a, you know, take a part of my case.

5:25 It's us trying to work together. And that's really what needs to happen. Like there's so much tension right now in this case because it's such a high-profile case. People want answers immediately. But guys, we've got to come together and work together because there's a family that is heartbroken and grieving right now. It's got to stop.

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6:37 mind regardless of the uncertainty. Text MK to 989898. I can't help but wonder and and who would know, I mean, no one has experience, no, no civilian in dealing with a kidnapping. Oh, I know exactly what to do or who to call, but you know the it's been confirmed that Savannah's first one of her first calls was to Senator Mark Kelly who is her home state senator uh the state of Arizona and US senator Gabby Gford's husband and kind of asked him for help and like let's line things up appropriately and it looks like they went with the locals.

7:09 They they put the locals in the lead and they trusted the sheriff and they didn't insist as I think you probably could try to that the FBI got brought in which is you know kidnappings and you know possible ransom. That's I guess when the sheriff called in on the ransom the FBI but like one wonders whether the FBI should have been there day one uh James and and like hurt on this.

7:33 Yeah. You got to be careful on this just cuz they don't have the jurisdiction. You know, they have to have

7:38 if they got the invitation, definitely if they get the invitation, that's absolutely right. But if there is, you know, some ego and in these relationships, as Chad's saying, they're not always great. And and it really, you know,

7:51 it's not great here, right? There's a history between this sheriff and the FBI, and it's not good.

7:56 Yeah. Exactly. And you see these things play out and this is what's happening. And, you know, he has to ask. Now, if we had solid evidence that she had, God forbid, been taken to Mexico, international kidnapping, FBI is going to be at the lead. Um, if we had information went across state lines, FBI, but right now, they just don't have that that federal nexus that they can come in, you know, in the typical movie fashion and FBI, we're in charge. They don't have that. And so now, they're really just at the, you know, the behest of the sheriff and and it's causing conflict. Clearly,

8:28 I'm going to show you something on this uh sheriff and the FBI from yester year. Okay, this is November, no I don't know the month. It's 2016, February, February 12th, 2016 in an interview with KGUN and he is ripping on the FBI because they were investigating his department's spending and he didn't much appreciate that. SAT 10,

8:51 when it comes to an FBI investigation, um I was taken back by that as much as anybody. Here's an agency who um for years has been known to uh deny or acknowledge anything about any kind of investigation. They're famous for that. Am I upset at the FBI? Absolutely. They should be. They they they get by with saying no comment. Who does that in today's world? Who does that? I think the FBI if they are having problems doing criminal investigations, please call us because we have real policemen here. we'll we'll do that for you because obviously they can't get it done. I'm upset at that and I'm upset at the inappropriateness of their investigative efforts

9:34 and they are inappropriate. All right. It was 10 years ago, but Will, it's on camera. It's tough to dispute. They're investigating him and his sheriff's department.

9:45 Yeah, he's he's he's got a massive chip on his shoulder towards uh the bureau. That's inevitable. And I think he's uh he's obviously not very happy about having to re-engage with them. and not allow him to do the proper police work as uh he puts it. Um the the one of my concerns Megan that I I did want to raise which sort of goes back a little bit is about the classification of what this case actually is. Uh in the private sector you know we have one of the advantages we have is that we don't actually have to interact with media agencies. We can keep it completely under wraps and keep it very very quiet.

10:17 Um, but at the same time, when we're talking to the family, if someone has gone missing, it's always going to be a missing person until such time as a credible proof of life has been sent with a ransom demand. And and my concern is is that this has been classified as a kidnapping, there has been no credible proof of life that has been provided yet. So, uh, again, it changes the dynamic somewhat in how it would be approached. And again, I very much welcome Chad and James' input on that from their perspective as well.

10:49 Right. Should be should they be treating this as um and I've heard one of you guys call it homicide nobody as opposed to

10:58 kidnapping? Well, before Chad jumps in, I would say real quick with regards to that interview, um the FBI is the only one that investigates cops. Now, the state police can do it and certainly there's IAS in, you know, bigger metropolitan divisions, but the FBI by, you know, charter, they work color law violations against police. They're the only ones that do it. And so, it obviously ruffles feathers and, you know, I've been involved in those and it's not comfortable at all. Um, so I understand the sheriff's frustration, but that that video was was quite was was quite interesting. Thanks for sharing. Here's another one. And we'll go back to whether this should be declared homicide nobody. Put a pin in that for a second, Will, because there's another one. The um under sheriff out there who is now former under sheriff under under this sheriff Nanos is named Rick Castigar and he spoke to Brian Enton. It doesn't

11:52 appear that they get along. He and his former boss and here's what he said. ST 9

11:57 should have been recognized initially that once this is labeled an ab an abduction get a task force together and bring on the FBI and ask them to take it over.

12:11 Why do you think that didn't happen? Unfortunately, the the sheriff, Chris Nanos, has a an exorbitant ego and he in one case I can think of prior to this one told the FBI he's the better of an investigator and he doesn't need their help. And that was a critical case that we needed their help with. This one in particular, they have far more resources than a sheriff's department has.

12:39 Go ahead, Chad. It's kind of funny how his how the FBI says no comment came full circle back to him uh in every one of his press conferences that he's given so far. That's funny to me. What's frustrating though is the fact that he cannot humble himself enough. We have a 84 year old missing woman and I'm not here to beat, you know, this thing to death. But listen, you don't have the resources. You are Listen, Megan, I said it day one on your show probably over a week ago. I feel like the sheriff is in over his head. We need to rely solely on the bureau. Humble yourself. Your investigators, listen, people out there are telling me, I've got a buddy of mine that's out there in the the area that's affiliated with that law enforcement agency, not directly, but is very close to those people and saying that the investigators want the help of the bureau, but the upper management is the one that's knocking that down.

13:28 That's what Meen seemed to be saying. She said, "I guarantee you the rank and file would love the help, but the leadership um is a different story." Here's what President Trump said, which is, I will say, telling. Listen to uh Trump in SAT 12.

13:42 Hasn't the FBI taken over the Nancy case as the lead investigator? Do you have any updates on how it's going?

13:49 Well, they took it over originally. You know, it was a local case originally and uh they didn't want to let go of it, which is fine. It's up to them. It's really up to the community, but ultimately when the FBI got involved, I think uh you know, progress has been made. Okay, it's that last part. Ultimately, when the FBI got involved, progress has been made, which you know, in Trump speak, he's he's basically saying, "We're the ones getting things done." And but what you guys said, we can't take it over unless this sheriff asks us to take it over. And far from asking that, he's holding on to it. He's making decisions that it sounds like the FBI disagrees with by not using the FBI's lab at Quantico. I don't know this. You tell me, James. Is it like Jim, is it um is the FBI's lab at Quanico so special that nothing could be it can't be replicated by some good lab in Florida?

14:39 Um well, it's it's the premier criminal lab in the world. So that's probably better than the one in Florida. Um it does have again access to that DNA database. So that's what you need. You need to okay, we we run the test, but what are we going to do with it? Well, we need to compare it for a human being. And how do you do that? Well, that lab in Florida is going to have to ask the FBI for access to the Dakota system. So, it's another step that you don't have to be making if we just go direct to the FBI. But I really want to circle back real quick to the videos because you've got the sheriff saying, and this is very typical, the sheriff saying, you know, we're the real cops. We're the real law enforcement. You know, the FBI don't know how to work a case. We're the real cops. And then you heard his former deputy chief say, yeah, he thinks he's the only one that can investigate anything. And you know, frankly, I don't

15:27 to we, you know, I can't tell you how many people I worked with in my academy class who were former cops. I'm a former cop. We don't go around beating our chest about it, but you don't get any credit for it. You know, that sheriff would would have you think that the FBI doesn't have a soul that ever worked law enforcement before they got to the bureau. And that's just nonsense. Thanks so much for watching. If you like what you just saw, hit the subscribe button for more clips and full episodes.

Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "Sheriff in Nancy Guthrie Case SPEAKS OUT as Reports of TENSION Between Locals and FBI Leak Out"?

Megyn Kelly (Guest), James (Guest), Chad (Guest), Will (Guest).

What is "Sheriff in Nancy Guthrie Case SPEAKS OUT as Reports of TENSION Between Locals and FBI Leak Out" about?

The sheriff in the Nancy Guthrie case has clarified recent misinformation regarding evidence, specifically denying that a glove was found inside Guthrie's home, while noting that multiple gloves have been discovered in the area. He explained his rationale for utilizing a single lab for evidence analysis to streamline the investigative process and avoid complications that could arise from…

What is mentioned in this Megyn Kelly episode?

8 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Nancy Guthrie, FBI, Chris Nanos, Rick Castigar, Quantico, Matt Finn. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Sheriff in Nancy Guthrie Case SPEAKS OUT as Reports of TENSION Between Locals and FBI Leak Out"?

The episode runs 16 min; the transcript is about 3,149 words in 36 timestamped sections.

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