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Tim Walz DROPS OUT of MN Gov Race While Blaming Trump Instead of Fraud Scandal, with Walter Kirn
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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Tim Walz DROPS OUT of MN Gov Race While Blaming Trump Instead of Fraud Scandal, with Walter Kirn", an episode of Megyn Kelly published January 5, 2026 (15 min, about 2,597 words). It mentions 3 people, works and ideas, including Nick Shirley, American Experiment.
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- – 3:00: Nick Shirley
- – 9:00: American Experiment, Nick Shirley
- – 15:00: American Experiment, Birch Gold Group
Notable quotes from "Tim Walz DROPS OUT of MN Gov Race While Blaming Trump Instead of Fraud Scandal, with Walter Kirn"
After you, City Journal came. Then after that, New York Times came. Then after that, Nick Shirley, an independent journalist story. Yeah.
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Full transcript with timestamps
Minnesota, your your former state. Um, now you're in Montana. I was over there for the holiday. My home state Minnesota. I grew up there. Your home state went to elementary school, high school, and you know, I consider it my boyhood home. Yeah.
Yeah. That's where you're from. I I feel like you are from pretty much where you went to high school. Y
um so Minnesota is sadly being exposed daily including by county highway for massive amounts of fraud within its ranks.
Yes. All permitted by that's the best case scenario. Tim Walls and his attorney general Keith Ellison.
You guys did a huge expose on it at County Highway. [clears throat] Then after you, City Journal came. Then after that, New York Times came. Then after that, uh, Nick Shirley, an independent journalist story. Yeah.
Yes. And the reason the Nick Shirley uh, piece was so additive is because it had video, right? Like
I don't know if you remember when my young friend at NYU and her best friend, her best friend got attacked and the guy like wailed on her from behind. He hit her in the behind and then he yanked her to the ground by her hair. And um our friend Summer was her best friend and went to the liquor store in front of which it happened and got the video.
Yeah. And we put it on on Twitter and then we put it on the on this show and it went viral and they caught the guy. It turned into a big story because we had the video. Yeah.
And I think Nick Shirley going and getting the video was very powerful addition to the reporting that had been breaking. Not by the Minneapolis Star Tribune, by the way. No. didn't see them at all on the list. Nor are they even covering these huge news stories like the Nick Shirley stuff. Most of these most of the broadcast networks aren't really covering it. Most of the legacy press like New York Times, Washington Post not covering it, just ignoring it. And by the way, then you have CNN instead of attacking the Minnesota fraud story as like let's get let's roll up our sleeves and get it ourselves attacking Nick Shirley as like he's just some doofus kid who we couldn't verify his reports because we called the daycare centers and they said that they do have children there. Oh, okay. Well, if they said it, it was certainly a fraudster when asked directly. If if you could if you could believe what
criminals and government officials say, we would have no need for a press. Um, right. The whole reason is that they lie about everything or at least they have an incentive
about everything. Yeah. So, I'm looking forward to CNN's apology to Nick Shirley because Tim Walsh just ended his campaign for reelection as Minnesota governor because of this cumulative reporting, including yours, including Nicks. And if this is such a madeup scandal that never happened, CNN, why did Tim Walls just announce he's not running for governor again? I'll let you hear him explain it in part right here. This just happened.
I don't want to mince words here. Donald Trump and his allies in Washington and in St. Paul and online want to make our state a colder, meaner place. They want to poison our people against each other
by attacking our neighbors. And ultimately, they want to take away much of what makes Minnesota the best place in the country to raise a family. They've already begun trying to withhold funds that were meant to help families afford child care, and they have no intention of stopping there. A single taxpayer dollar wasted on fraud should be intolerable. And while there's a role to play for everyone, from the legislature to prosecutors to insurance companies to local and county government, the buck does stop with me.
My administration has been taking fast, decisive action to solve this crisis. We'll win the fight against the fraudsters, but the political gamesmanship we're seeing from Republicans is only making that fight harder.
Please. He says he can't run for office and address the fraud crisis at the same time.
So, it's so he's admitting that it's a he's admitting that it's a crisis. He's admitting that there's fraud. He's not specifying at what level, but we already know what level. record setting historic levels and yet at the same time it's all politics. Choose which one is it? Is it Donald Trump lying about Minnesota or is it Minnesota
getting together to defraud the federal government? Because remember this was federal money flowing through Minnesota, not just state money. It was primarily federal money that was being appropriated and sort directed into these state overseen programs where it just disappeared and it disappeared all over the world and it disappeared into the pockets of politicians and it disappeared into the pockets of the culprits and and bought their cars and their homes and their watches and it did so at a level that America was stunned by and continues to be stunned And it's only a paradigm for other states. Tim Waltz, you were almost the vice president of the United States, which means you would have been a heartbeat away from being the president of the United States. This story was not covered during that election. Yet, it existed. All the facts that have come out recently were there for the press to
look at when Tim Walsh was running for the vice presidency. Uh to me he's the luckiest man in the world. Uh he might be uh giving the governorship over to someone who will be in a position to pardon him for various crimes. Uh he might be surviving to fight another day. But I don't think his troubles are over. And uh uh to go out blaming somebody when you're also supposedly taking responsibility is a classic have your cake and eat it to political move. He's over with.
Yeah. I It's amazing that this guy was like within a breath of the vice presidency,
which means you're a heartbeat away from the presidency. Yeah. And let's not forget this was the one decision Kamla Harris made on her gut. On gut instinct. That's what she said. She interviewed him and she just knew Tim Walsh was right for the job. Oh my god. So here here's the deal. Let me play a little bit more of him explaining why he can't both be governor and run for uh reelection given the amount of this fraud. Now here here's this is him just within the last hour. But as I reflect on this moment with my family and my team over the holidays, I came to the conclusion that I can't give a political campaign my all. Every minute that I spend defending my own political interest would be a minute I can't spend defending the people of Minnesota against the criminals who pray on our generosity and the cynics who want to pray on our differences. So, I've decided to step out of this race and
I'll let others worry about the election while I focus on the work that's in front of me for the next year. What is he going to turn into? Is he going to turn into Batman now? He's going to be a private citizen seeking out fraud and avenging wrongs. What's he even talking about?
Right. So he he says I I I can't devote any time away from focusing on the criminals who pray on our generosity. Now, literally he was just caus calling those of us who are pointing at the Somali community within Minnesota saying it's them. Hello, we saw them. We see them coping please, getting found guilty for earlier frauds by the day. And now we see the Nick Shirley report about what's happening with the children's care um in this explosive report that hit over the holidays. And you called us all white supremacists. you literally said that you're a white supremacist if that's what you want to focus on. Okay? Or you just want to go where the facts lead, which happens to be here, the Somali community. Here's one of the reasons why he's doing that. If in my view, Keith Ellison is his attorney general. Keith Ellison was caught on tape. Um, and this this group, the American Experiment, had
an exclusive with airing this. I'm just going to play you a little bit of Keith Ellison in the problematic sound bites and then I'm going to play you the one where he says Tim Walls is right there with him like you know two peas in a pod on his attitude about Somali fraud. Here he is on tape to some of the feeding our future scandal uh individuals, people involved in it and he's all about how he's going to help them. not how he's going to crack down on them, but how he's going to help them because Keith Ellison, of course, himself is a radical. Uh, and he's been running cover for groups like this for a long time.
Here he is in S30. Of course, I'm here to help. I mean, but let me be clear. I'm not here because I think it's going to help my reelection.
I don't give a I don't care about no re-election. I voluntarily threw my congressional career away.
I'm like, I don't want to do it anymore. It's boring to me. So to do this to do what I'm doing now. So of course I didn't leave that job to do nothing in this job.
I mean is this am I going to get more hits than I got by prosecuting a police officer off officer and giving them life in prison?
Uh right. So we're going to Yeah. So let's just go let's just go fight these people.
Mhm. So the question the question is figuring out exactly how to put stop to it. Right.
The how is the real question for me. here. The how how do we do it? Okay, so this this group would be charged a month later by the feds accused of fraud. But here he is on tape like, "How can I help you? I'm here to help." And then here's more where he asks some of the feeding our future scandal individuals the names of the government's officials, denying them money. He's pissed off that the government is pumping the brakes on giving this group that would be charged within a month for of fraud by the feds. Uh that that they're pumping the brakes on giving them money. Take a listen here. Uh next is S 31.
And just send me the names of all these folks who are just hung up and like hanging on by thread and barely going to and probably ain't going to survive unless they get their money soon. That I can take that list and start saying and I can call Joey Harpstead. the person over at at education and say, "What is going on? Why am I getting these complaints?"
And start and I'll call them in my office and demand some explanations. Maybe it's because they are accused of committing fraud. Maybe there were some some sniffs, some aromomas of the fraud, Keith, which you should have looked into as attorney general rather than running cover for this group, which is a very large constituency. I don't have to tell you that, Walter. in Minnesota that he knew he needed to win re-election. Here's the third one. S 32, he talks about Governor Walls and his attitude on this [snorts] whole nasty business.
Listen, here's the thing is as big as you are collectively, most are pretty small
and you're you're making you're running small tiny businesses out of business over nothing. And a lot of times if you think there's a problem, I mean people look, everybody has to comply with what the rules are.
But if somebody submits something that's not in the right format, then you call them and say this is not in the right format. Not you're out.
You're done. Your contracts are over. And so this has my attention. I'm extremely frustrated by it. But we are in the middle of a battle with the agencies now.
And I I can tell you this. Um, Walls agrees with me that this pitily stupid stuff running small people out of business is terrible.
Pitily stupid stuff. According to my team, uh, that was Saleem say on this tape uh, in the meeting with Keith Ellison. Sad was convicted of 20 counts after this. One count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud. Four counts of wire fraud. One count of conspiracy to commit federal programs bribery. Eight counts of bribery. One count conspiracy to commit moneyaundering. Five counts of moneyaundering brought by the feds. Obviously not Keith Ellison. He and his colleague Amy Bach took advantage of the CO9 pandemic according to the feds to carry out a massive fraud scheme that stole money meant to feed children. The defendants falsely claimed to have served 91 million meals for which they fraudulently received nearly $250 million in federal funds. Not pitily stupid stuff running small people out of business like Keith Ellison said and like he said Governor Walls agreed with him on. Instead, said the feds, it was
used to fund their lavish lifestyles. Today's verdict after they got the conviction sends a message, said the feds, to the community that fraud against the government will not be tolerated. This was uncovered by the Minnesota think tank American Experiment obtained December 2021 audio. And that's that's I believe Walter why Tim Walsh will not be running for reelection. And it's not because defending the people of Minnesota is going to be a big distraction for him. A new year means new financial goals like making sure your savings are secure and diversified.
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