Today Show Cattiness, "Love Story" Lies, and SCOTUS on Tariffs, w/ Maureen Callahan and Chamberlain

What this episode is about

Alyssa Liu wins Olympic gold in stunning comeback, underscoring uplifting Team USA moments, while new coverage highlights notable TV and political chatter, including JFK Jr.–Carolyn Bessette speculation and Hoda Kotb’s chair request. A Supreme Court ruling limits presidential use of emergency tariffs, affirming Congress must authorize such measures.

Key takeaways

• Trump-era tariffs fall under congressional scrutiny, not presidential fiat—court eyes the limits on executive economic power.
• Two-thirds of tariffs cited may be unlawful; refunds hover in a labyrinth of trade law and court routes.
• Surprise twist: even loyal appointees split on rationale, reshaping how major questions doctrine is applied.
• Media mashup risk: sensational headlines collide with nuanced legal reality, underscoring need for precise framing.
• Public safety ads tout less-lethal options, yet legal consequences loom—policy and perception often diverge.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Alyssa Lou (Guest) · 3 min speaking
• Megan Kelly (Guest) · 50 min speaking
• Moren Callahan (Guest) · 28 min speaking
• Will Chamberlain (Guest) · 13 min speaking
• Haley Win (Guest) · 2 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 10:00: Tariffs, Justice Neil Gorsuch, United States (states), John Roberts
2. 10:00 – 20:00: Daily Mail, Moren Callahan, Tariffs, Done with Debt
3. 20:00 – 30:00: Today Show, Peter Attia, The Nerve, Morpheus
4. 30:00 – 40:00: Today Show, Governor Gavin Newsom, Louis Malle
5. 40:00 – 50:00: Nancy Guthrie, Cash Patel, Today Show, Savannah Guthrie
6. 50:00 – 1:00:00: The Nerve, Megan Kelly, Megan Kelly Show, Moren Callahan
7. 1:00:00 – 1:10:00: Daily Mail
8. 1:20:00 – 1:30:00: Donald C. Murphy
9. 1:30:00 – 1:40:00: United States (states), Donald C. Murphy
10. 1:40:00 – 1:50:00: The Nerve
11. 1:50:00 – 1:50:41: MK Media

Notable quotes from "Today Show Cattiness, "Love Story" Lies, and SCOTUS on Tariffs, w/ Maureen Callahan and Chamberlain"

• Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly show and happy Friday. US figure skater Alyssa Louu wins the Olympic gold in a comeback that no one saw coming. It was so exciting to.

  about Megan Kelly Show · at 0:00

• Mail reveals that Hoda Copy wants her chair back at the Today Show. MK Media's own Moren Callahan will be with us for the full show to break down all the cattiness and…

  about Megan Kelly · at 1:00

• Spend 10 minutes on this so that we can understand it clearly and what it means for our lives is legal expert Will Chamberlain. He's senior counsel for the Article 3 Project.

  about Emma Chamberlain · at 2:13

• Reluctant to make concessions and trade negotiations. It's as simple as that. I think Justice Kavanaaugh had the best of the argument here. I thought Congress clearly…

  about Brett Kavanaugh · at 8:09

• There trying to pimp her ride. We'll talk about it. Moren is here. She is Moren Callahan. She is host of the hit show The Nerve on the MK Media Podcast Network. Go…

  about Moren Callahan · at 13:42

• >> Finding out that Peter Aia was in the Epstein files emailing Epstein. You're like "Okay >> there's a lot of fraudulence here. A lot." Well, I forgive Peter Aia because.

  about Peter Attia · at 24:40

• >> Yes. I feel so terrible for Savannah Guthrie and her family because I remember when my dad died, I didn't want to go over to stay with him until first…

  about Savannah Guthrie · at 45:44

• >> Thanks for being here and calling attention to the Nancy Guthrie case.

  about Nancy Guthrie · at 47:26

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Megan Kelly — Person · Host · 3 mentions · first at 0:00
  Hosts the episode, interviews Will Chamberlain on the Supreme Court tariff ruling, then co-hosts a pop-culture segment with Moren Callahan.
• Moren Callahan — Person · Main guest (pop-culture segment) · 4 mentions · first at 1:07
  Joins for the 'full show' after the legal segment, discussing Today Show drama, celebrity fitness narratives, and media hypocrisy.
• Emma Chamberlain — Person · Main guest (legal segment) · 2 mentions · first at 2:18
  Explains the Supreme Court’s 6–3 decision restricting tariff authority under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act and discusses implications and refunds.
• Nancy Guthrie — Person · Referenced missing person (story subject) · 4 mentions · first at 12:07
  A major later segment centers on a 'Nancy Guthrie' missing-person case and criticism of law enforcement/media strategy.
• Savannah Guthrie — Person · Referenced media figure · 1 mention · first at 45:47
  Discussed as a Today Show anchor and as the daughter of 'Nancy Guthrie' in the episode’s narrative; also used in clips illustrating Today Show tensions.
• Justice Neil Gorsuch — Person · Referenced judge · 6 mentions · first at 2:01
  Cited as part of the majority; his reasoning is discussed via the 'major questions doctrine' and concerns about future executive overreach.
  Belongs to Congress, not to the president, and it has not clearly been delegated. That's Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Gorsuch, and Justice Barrett siding with the…
• Derivative Copy — Person · Referenced media figure · 2 mentions · first at 1:00
  Discussed as the subject of a Daily Mail report claiming she wants her chair back at the Today Show; used to illustrate alleged on-air/off-air 'cattiness.'
  JFK Jr. and Carolyn bet Kennedy and it's already raising eyebrows. We'll tell you why. And new reporting from the Daily Mail reveals that Hoda Copy wants her…
• Brett Kavanaugh — Person · Referenced judge · 2 mentions · first at 4:18
  Discussed as a dissenter who argued Congress delegated tariff authority; Chamberlain says Kavanaugh had the best argument.
• Peter Attia — Person · Referenced author/doctor · 2 mentions · first at 24:40
  Discussed critically regarding alleged emails in 'Epstein files' and high-cost longevity medicine; used to critique wellness influencer culture.
• John Roberts — Person · Referenced judge · 3 mentions · first at 1:59
  Identified as part of the majority coalition with Gorsuch and Barrett; his alignment is framed as siding with liberals.
  Belongs to Congress, not to the president, and it has not clearly been delegated. That's Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Gorsuch, and Justice Barrett siding with the…
• Justice Amy Coney Barrett — Person · Referenced judge · 3 mentions · first at 2:01
  Named as a Trump appointee who sided with the majority against the tariff scheme, framed as siding with 'the Libs.'
  President, and it has not clearly been delegated. That's Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Gorsuch, and Justice Barrett siding with the Libs. Two of those justices were…
• Kelly Ripa — Person · Referenced celebrity · 1 mention · first at 16:10
  Used to critique celebrity fitness/beauty narratives and the unrealistic resources behind 'ripped body' coverage.
  >> Now this I was going to save this till later, but I might as well bring it up now. I wanted to talk to you about Kelly Ripa. I saw an article in the Daily Mail…
• Bobby Kennedy — Person · Referenced public figure · 3 mentions · first at 0:49
  Discussed as part of the Ryan Murphy series and compared thematically to Meghan Markle in terms of fame/identity dynamics.
  What a day. What a day for Team USA. plus Ryan Murphy is out with a new series on the quote love story between JFK Jr. and Carolyn bet Kennedy and it's already raising…
• John F. Kennedy Jr. — Person · Referenced public figure · 3 mentions
  Part of the entertainment segment: Ryan Murphy’s series about his relationship with Carolyn Bessette Kennedy is teased and discussed.
• Governor Gavin Newsom — Person · Referenced politician · 2 mentions · first at 9:13
  Used as an example of a future president Megan Kelly would not want empowered by expansive executive tariff authority; later referenced in Vogue coverage critique.
  About who's coming next, right? I certainly don't want to say a hugely powerful Gavin Newsome or AOC or Gretchen Whitmer. and here's what Gorsuch wrote.…
• Cash Patel — Person · Referenced official/media figure · 2 mentions · first at 42:16
  Mentioned as releasing a video related to the Nancy Guthrie case timeline; used to interpret President Trump’s prior comments.
  >> Well, he did say he said I think some good things are about to happen. And that was the day before Cash Patel released that video.
• Clarence Thomas — Person · Referenced judge · 1 mention · first at 4:18
  Named as a dissenter supporting the conservative view that the statute authorized the tariffs.
  Liberals just said the statute doesn't authorize the tariffs and then Alito, Kavanaaugh and Thomas disagree with all that saying pretty straightforward that the statute…
• Justice Samuel Alito — Person · Referenced judge · 1 mention · first at 4:18
  Named as a dissenter aligned with the conservative position supporting tariff authority under the statute.
  Liberals just said the statute doesn't authorize the tariffs and then Alito, Kavanaaugh and Thomas disagree with all that saying pretty straightforward that the statute…
• Donald C. Murphy — Person · Referenced producer · 6 mentions · first at 0:47
  Referenced as creating a new series about JFK Jr. and Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, setting up later pop-culture discussion.
  Women's hockey team. it was just what a day. What a day for Team USA. plus Ryan Murphy is out with a new series on the quote love story between JFK Jr. and Carolyn bet…
• Alyssa Louu — Person · Referenced athlete · 1 mention · first at 0:03
  Mentioned in the opening as a U.S. figure skater winning Olympic gold, used as upbeat news before shifting to politics/legal news.
  Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly show and happy Friday. US figure skater Alyssa Louu wins the Olympic gold in a comeback that no one saw…
• Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez — Person · Referenced politician · 1 mention · first at 9:13
  Cited as an example of a future president whose expanded executive power would concern Megan Kelly; referenced in Gorsuch slippery-slope framing.
  About who's coming next, right? I certainly don't want to say a hugely powerful Gavin Newsome or AOC or Gretchen Whitmer. and here's what Gorsuch wrote.…
• Claudia Banks — Person · Referenced celebrity · 1 mention · first at 11:57
  Mentioned as the subject of a popular Netflix show and potential America’s Next Top Model reboot discussion.
  Thoughts on the reboot of America's Next Top Model that could be coming, but there's this huge Netflix show out about Tyra Banks and that show. It's…
• Michael Strahan — Person · Referenced TV personality · 1 mention · first at 16:39
  Mentioned in the context of Kelly Ripa’s past co-host conflict and salary negotiations.
  >> Now remember like seven years ago, six years ago when she had that big blow up with ABC about Michael Strahan.
• Christopher Kaiser — Person · Referenced fitness professional · 1 mention · first at 18:02
  Quoted as Kelly Ripa’s long-time trainer, used to illustrate the intensity/privilege behind celebrity fitness routines.
  Toned physique. They're "Oh, she hold on a second." According to her trainer of over 14 years, Anna Kaiser, the TV personality, works out six days of…
• Jennifer Aniston — Person · Referenced celebrity · 1 mention · first at 20:29
  Cited as an example of celebrities promoting unattainable fitness/beauty setups (home gym, Pilates equipment).
  Yeah, she does. The other thing I hate about this stuff, and Jennifer Aniston is a prime offender in this area, too, because she's always "These it's…
• Louis Malle — Person · Referenced filmmaker · 1 mention · first at 38:17
  Mentioned as the father of 'Chloe Mau' (as stated) and as director of 'Pretty Baby' in a discussion of nepotism and fashion media.
  >> And her father is the famed He's dead now. French Oscar winning director Louis Mau, who you would know your child of similar vintage. He directed Brook…
• Edgar Bergen — Person · Referenced actor · 1 mention
  Mentioned as the mother of 'Chloe Mau' (as stated) in a nepotism discussion.

Companies & orgs

• MK Media — Company · Network/producer · 3 mentions · first at 1:03
  Identified as the podcast network for Moren Callahan and The Nerve; frames the show’s production ecosystem.
  Why. And new reporting from the Daily Mail reveals that Hoda Copy wants her chair back at the Today Show. MK Media's own Moren Callahan will be with us for the full…
• Article 3 Project — Organization · Guest affiliation · 1 mention · first at 2:22
  Will Chamberlain is introduced as senior counsel for the organization, establishing his legal/policy credentials.
  Means for our lives is legal expert Will Chamberlain. He's senior counsel for the Article 3 Project.

Concepts & topics

• Tariffs — Concept · Core topic · 14 mentions · first at 1:24
  Central legal/political issue: the Supreme Court limits presidential authority to impose sweeping tariffs under emergency law.
  Ruling from the US Supreme Court this morning dealing a very serious blow to President Trump's sweeping tariffs which have been integral to his entire presidency.…
• Morpheus — Concept · Referenced beauty/tech concept · 2 mentions · first at 21:17
  Referenced as a painful laser procedure used by celebrities, illustrating the hidden resources behind celebrity appearance standards.
  That Morpheus laser which is supposed to hurt like a mofo that Jennifer Lopez has one in her home. So, but like she's constantly being featured as like this is what 56 looks like. It's not.

Places & events

• United States (states) — Place · Primary jurisdiction/location · 5 mentions · first at 1:17
  The Supreme Court ruling, tariff refunds, and importers affected are discussed in the context of U.S. law and trade.
  Cattiness and more coming up. But we have to start with a little bit of broccoli because there's been a major ruling from the US Supreme Court this morning dealing a…
• Fort Wayne — Place · Referenced manufacturing location · 1 mention · first at 2:53
  Mentioned as the assembly location for Burna products in the ad read.
  Do not require lethal force. And that's exactly why so many are turning to Burna. Burna is proudly American. Hand assembled in Fort Wayne, Indiana. These less lethal…
• Pakistan — Place · Referenced country · 1 mention · first at 7:24
  Paired with India as an example in the tariff leverage discussion.
  Bunch of things including stop fentanyl from crossing into our borders to stop countries like India and Pakistan from having a war and to write the trade imbalance that he…
• India — Place · Referenced country · 1 mention
  Mentioned as an example of countries Trump allegedly pressured toward peace using tariff threats.

Media & podcasts

• Megan Kelly Show — Podcast · Primary show · 3 mentions · first at 0:00
  The episode’s program; referenced in the intro and subscription prompts.
• Today Show — Media · Referenced media institution · 10 mentions · first at 1:00
  Central to the pop-culture/media segment: alleged internal rivalries, hosting chairs, and on-air awkwardness are discussed.
  Already raising eyebrows. We'll tell you why. And new reporting from the Daily Mail reveals that Hoda Copy wants her chair back at the Today Show. MK Media's…
• Daily Mail — Media · Referenced media outlet · 6 mentions · first at 0:57
  Cited as reporting on Hoda 'wanting her chair back' and referenced in discussion of Prince Harry litigation and celebrity coverage.
  JFK Jr. and Carolyn bet Kennedy and it's already raising eyebrows. We'll tell you why. And new reporting from the Daily Mail reveals that Hoda Copy wants her…
• The Nerve — Podcast · Referenced podcast (guest’s show) · 6 mentions · first at 13:46
  Moren Callahan’s podcast is promoted and referenced as producing content (including an 'ambush' at 30 Rock).
  There trying to pimp her ride. We'll talk about it. Moren is here. She is Moren Callahan. She is host of the hit show The Nerve on the MK Media Podcast Network. Go…

Sponsors

• Burna — Company · Advertiser · 2 mentions · first at 2:51
  Sponsored segment promoting 'less lethal' self-defense launchers, including manufacturing location and product claims.
  Do not require lethal force. And that's exactly why so many are turning to Burna. Burna is proudly American. Hand assembled in Fort Wayne, Indiana. These less lethal…
• Done with Debt — Company · Advertiser · 2 mentions · first at 12:28
  Sponsored segment promoting debt settlement consultations and negotiation services.
  Of debt, it's go time. This is one of those moments where timing matters. And let me tell you about done with debt.

Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 Hey everyone, I'm Megan Kelly. Welcome to the Megan Kelly show and happy Friday. US figure skater Alyssa Louu wins the Olympic gold in a comeback that no one saw coming. It was so exciting to watch. The two people commentating were like, "Oh, she might just make the medal stand if she skates perfectly." Meanwhile, she crushed she crushed her performance. One gold was so joyful doing it. It really made you want to put on ice skates and go out there and try a few of those moves, which as we all know for the rest of us, mortals would end in tears. Uh, but it was completely uplifting that and the story of the women's hockey team. I mean, it was just what a day. What a day for Team USA. Uh, plus Ryan Murphy is out with a new series on the quote love story between JFK Jr. and Carolyn bet Kennedy and it's already raising eyebrows. We'll tell you

0:57 why. And new reporting from the Daily Mail reveals that Hoda Copy wants her chair back at the Today Show. MK Media's own Moren Callahan will be with us for the full show to break down all the cattiness and more coming up. But we have to start with a little bit of broccoli because there's been a major ruling from the US Supreme Court this morning dealing a very serious blow to President Trump's sweeping tariffs which have been integral to his entire presidency. I mean, it's like the crux of his entire foreign policy, whether it comes to imposing them to raise more money and and balance out trade imbalances or using them to threaten countries into becoming very quickly much more peaceful. In a six-3 decision, the high court saying he cannot use emergency law to implo impose global tariffs, ruling that that authority belongs to Congress, not to the president, and it has not clearly been

1:59 delegated. That's Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Gorsuch, and Justice Barrett siding with the Libs. Two of those justices were Trump appointees. Uh the ruling carrying major implications, as I say, for the entire Trump agenda. Here to break it down with us, we're going to spend 10 minutes on this uh so that we can understand it clearly and what it means for our lives is legal expert Will Chamberlain. He's senior counsel for the Article 3 Project. Don't miss a moment. Subscribe to this show on YouTube and follow me on Insta, Facebook, and X. Let's be honest, America can still be a dangerous place.

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3:27 your future. Visit burna.com right now or your local sportsman's warehouse. That's by RNA.com or your local sportsman's warehouse. Visit now and be prepared to defend. Will, welcome back to the show. So, what exactly did the Supreme Court rule? uh they ruled 63 that the president cannot use the international economic emergency powers act to impose tariffs. That's the extent of the ruling. Um and they didn't even agree on the reasoning. Right? You had three justices uh Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Gorsuch, and Justice Barrett using the major questions doctrine which is basically saying that for a major delegation of congressional power, there needs to be a very explicit delegation of that power. And they didn't find that in this case. The three liberals just said uh the statute doesn't authorize the tariffs and then Alito, Kavanaaugh and Thomas disagree

4:20 with all that saying pretty straightforward that the statute actually does authorize these tariffs but they were the losing side. So uh all these tariffs issued under this imposed under this particular statute are unlawful >> and it's some 200 billion worth of tariffs. I mean it's a it's a big number that's been that have been issued so far. So what does this mean for all the tariffs that Trump has implemented in the first year of his presidency? >> Well, it's about twothirds of the tariffs were imposed under this specific statute. I think the la the number I saw was something like 175 billion. Uh everybody who paid a tariff is probably entitled to a refund. Uh the Supreme Court didn't really lay out the process here other than to strongly suggest that all this will go to the United States Court of International Trade. Uh but the

5:06 all the refund litigation, everything that happens there, that's that's to be decided later. Uh all all the Supreme Court decided was that these tariffs were unlawful in the first instance. >> So are we going to get sued by other countries? Is that's who's going to sue us saying I want a refund of all the tariffs I paid to the United States? >> Uh no, it's it's going to be the actual people who paid the tariffs. And remember that's that's United States citizens and importers. So like when you when you import something from a foreign country, you the importer responsible for paying the tariff. the foreign country is and the foreign manufacturer isn't. So that's who ultimately will pay the tariff here. Um I mean I guess it's theoretically possible, you know, some foreign entity might make an argument

5:45 that they were damaged by these tariffs because they sold fewer of the product than they would have otherwise. And maybe they'll have some claim against the United States for that. I doubt it. Uh I think that the people will will the people who actually have a legitimate claim are the people who paid these tariffs and then are entitled to refunds. To me, this seems like the the biggest losers will be our poor lawyers at the Department of Justice who are already stretched too thin. Um, who now are going to have to litigate all these claims on who deserves a tariff and who doesn't. But Trump is going to try to argue that he has the ability still under different statutes to levy tariffs. Will that help? It might help him going forward. Will it help him with any of these back tariffs that he's already issued under the statute they've said he can't use? I I don't think

6:28 that'll happen. That'll that'll help backfill anything here, right? Those those tariffs are unlawful and they they weren't imposed under the other authorities. And I mean, the there's a reason he used the emergency statute. It provides there are a lot fewer hoops in in terms of imposing some sort of tariff or uh bar on imports using the EA. Uh but there, you know, there are other authorities. I mean there are product specific authorities that he has that allow him to like bar imports of specific or tariff imports of steel for instance or cars. Um and there are also nation specific authorities that he has outside of the IEPA that he could do that he already used on China for example. So you know it's not the >> he's not powerless. He's not now powerless to issue tariffs. he just cannot do the sweeping scheme that he's

7:15 been doing where he's been using them as a carrot and a stick um to do a whole bunch of things including stop fentanyl from crossing into our borders to stop countries like India and Pakistan from having a a war um and to to write the trade imbalance that he walked into that he inherited when he became president and and now all of that is into question. So on a go forward basis, he does have some possible tariff schemes he can impose. Retroactively, maybe not so much. So what what would you say is the net effect of this on the Trump agenda?

7:51 >> Well, it weakens it. I mean, there's just no getting around that. It's it's a bad ruling for the Trump administration. It's really bad for the country because it it I mean, the tariffs are a key part of the president's arsenal in negotiating with foreign countries. And if foreign countries know that Trump is a little more handcuffed in how he can impose tariffs, then there will be more reluctant to make concessions and trade negotiations. It's as simple as that. Um I think Justice Kavanaaugh had the best of the argument here. I thought Congress clearly delegated this authority to the president and it makes sense that they would because tariffs are so um interwoven with our economic negotiations with foreign countries that it's you want the president to have the flexibility to be and the credibility to be able to impose tariffs when he needs

8:32 to. So yeah, I think I think this was a bad ruling from the Supreme Court. No. And it's going to it's going to hurt the president. Is it devastating? No. But it's it's going to hurt the president and it's going to hurt the country. >> We had good old Alo and Thomas siding with the conservative POV and uh Justice Kavanaaugh who's been more moderate saying, "Yep, I'm with these guys." And then you had Gorsuch and you had Amy Coney Barrett going with John Roberts uh to side with the three libs on this. I will say, what do you make of this Gorsuch quote? Because I like this. I don't love a huge hugely powerful executive because I'm always thinking about who's coming next, right? I certainly don't want to say a hugely powerful Gavin Newsome or AOC or Gretchen Whitmer. Um and here's what

9:18 Gorsuch wrote. a ruling for him here, meaning the president uh the president acknowledges would afford future presidents the same latitude he asserts for himself. So another president might impose tariffs on gas-powered automobiles to respond to climate change or really on virtually any imports for any quote emergency any president might perceive. And all of these emergency declarations would be unreable. Just ask yourself what president would willingly give up that kind of power. This is how he this is what Gorsuch does. He reels you in with with comments like that that makes make you think about AOC in my gas powered car. Um do you think that that's a real concern? I mean like that that that if we allowed the president to have this kind of tariff power to himself that it was basically a slippery slope where it was going to get expanded to micromanage our lives by a more aggressive Dem president next.

10:17 >> I mean possibly but the president's always checked by political accountability, right? He's accountable to his voters. He has to win half the country. Uh and if Congress doesn't like the extent to which the president is using the power granted to him, they can always change the statute. Uh I mean the fact that Congress has basically exceeded I'm not sure if they exceeded is the right word. I know there's been some fighting over these tariffs but uh you know I mean again Congress has the ability to write this own laws. This is not a constitutional case. This is a statutory interpretation case. So I I kind of find uh Gorsuch's sort of reassurances un un you know unimpressive I guess would be the right word. Uh it's a statutory interpretation case. I thought Kavanaaugh had the better interpretation of the statute. All the desenders had it

10:57 right. Um and so you know obviously yes the president should only be able to exercise the authority given to him by Congress. The the the real question of dispute was how much authority did they give him? >> Right. So if if we don't like that amount of power um take it up with the US Congress if you believe this statute did in fact delegate the power to issue these tariffs to the president. It wasn't about how bad or good that might be. It was about did they or didn't they? >> Uh well this court has found they didn't. And uh that was predictable. I mean, if you watch the oral argument, and I know the DOJ was expecting a loss here. They they've been trying to plan uh for it. The president's unhappy, but um I think he's got some other tricks up his sleeve, so we'll have to wait and see. Will Chamberlain, thanks for coming

11:42 on so quickly and giving us the quick 411. >> Absolutely. Thanks for having me. >> Okay. Uh up next, Moren Callahan is here for the full show and we have a lot to go over. All right. She's got a lot of thoughts on the reboot of America's Next Top Model that could be coming, but there's this huge Netflix show out about Tyra Banks and that show. It's number one on Netflix right now. Uh she's got thoughts that plus we're going to get into the Olympics. Plus, we've got the latest on Nancy Guthrie. Plus, she's got thoughts on the JFK uh junior story about Carolyn bet. You know, she wrote the book on the Kennedys two summers ago. So, there's a lot on the agenda.

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13:19 As we told you, the Daily Mail is reporting that Hoda Cottby wants her chair back at the Today Show. No big surprise given the long history of cattiness both on and off the screen and the fact that as Moren and yours truly have been reporting, she never wanted to go to begin with. Uh, we've got all the receipts for you today. And also, what does former Prince Andrew's arrest mean for Harry and Megan? She's already out there trying to pimp her ride. We'll talk about it. Moren is here. She is Moren Callahan. She is host of the hit show The Nerve on the MK Media Podcast Network. Go right now and subscribe uh at The Nerve Show on all podcast platforms and on YouTube and everywhere you can get The Nerve. Great to see you, my friend.

13:59 >> I'm so happy to see you and I just realized we were both all in black. >> I know, right? Well, I dressed up for you because I don't normally look nice. >> Oh, you always look great. But no, I love the whole >> I even have the nice boots on, Moren. >> I even have the nice shoes on. Normally, look at us. Every once in a while you have to dress up, you know? You feel like like a woman again, right? Can't feel like such a raga muffin all the time, every day. I mean, from the waist down, I always have my stretchy pants on or my Yeah. Now, I love those aloe loose pants. I'm all over those these days.

14:30 >> I love the in this weather, the Unilo um heat tech legging, which just is like just wraps you up and keeps you cozy and Yeah. Now, the the good thing about the tighter legging is that I've noticed that the one drawback to the aloe pants is you don't realize >> how like if you've gained a few, it's imperceptible. Like you're never gain a few. I'm always like, >> I do. I do. Here's my downfall. Um I didn't used to be a sucker for sweets, but Doug buys ice cream galore. He and he buys the most delicious flavors of Hogenaz ice cream. And if it's sitting there in the freezer after dinner, it's very hard to say no to it.

15:10 >> You can resist. You can eat ice cream in the winter. >> Oh, and I can eat it every day of the year. >> Wow. Yeah. >> The only iced thing I can do in the winter is iced coffee, which I do love. >> What do you do for a treat in the winter? >> I love popcorn, but I'm also like a salty person. I'll have like a few cashews or but I try to avoid the, you know, the sweets in the winter. I just Yeah. >> Well, I just said for Lent, I'm going to give up added sugar. My daughter said she wanted to do it, too. I'm like, "Okay, we're both gonna give up added sugar." And what did I do yesterday? I had a brownie and ice cream.

15:43 So, yeah. No, I do eat and I do sometimes get extra weight in the aloe pants. >> Wow. Yeah. >> Well, it is the season. >> It is the season. And um I my hats off to you for Lent. My sister-in-law's always given up like her favorite thing for Lent. And um >> it's very hard. >> It's it's very hard. And then and but then the the the flip side of that is it's the same thing you just experienced. Then when you're free of it, you binge it. You've been denying yourself.

16:08 >> Now this I was going to save this till later, but I might as well bring it up now. I wanted to talk to you about Kelly Ripa. I saw an article in the Daily Mail this week about her and her amazing ripped body and her incredibly toned physique. And it went through I actually just did a screen grab. I didn't even tell you we were going to discuss this, but uh it it talked about like how she got it. How she got this amazing body. Now I know how she got this amazing body. She works one hour a day.

16:34 >> Now remember like seven years ago, six years ago when she had that big blow up with ABC about Michael Strahan. >> Oh yeah. >> And she was like playing hard ball and she was mad that like I can't remember what she was mad about, but she was mad about the switcheroo on the co on the co-hosts. >> Well, he was getting a big promotion. Yes. GMA and he didn't tell her because he couldn't tell her >> and she felt very disrespected.

16:58 >> Yes. Well, in order to keep her there at that time, they raised her $25 million a year salary to over $30 million a year. This is like seven years ago. It's only gone up since then. >> That's insane. >> They have this enormous townhouse in New York City. It It puts like Jeffrey Epstein's townhouse >> I've seen it in Architectural Digest >> to shame. Exactly. And that's just one of their many homes that these two have.

17:23 Then she gets her husband a job as her co-host. And God only knows what he's making. I'm sure he's making at least $5 million a year. They have more money than God. >> She gets into that show like an hour before she has to do it so she can sit and get hair and makeup and get a wardrobe thrown on her. >> She does that show which doesn't require two brain cells. You just have to sit there playfully laugh and talk about your social life. Mhm. >> And then she has the rest of her day with hundreds of millions of dollars to play with. Of course, she has an incredibly toned physique. They're like, "Oh, she um hold on a second." According to her trainer of over 14 years, Anna Kaiser, the TV personality, works out six days of the week for 45 minutes, no matter where she is. Quote, "Even when she

18:12 travels, she'll do the workouts virtually if she needs to." Kaiser told Hello magazine, "Everyone knows that is her hour, morning or evening. She gets 45 minutes in and that is her time." Kaiser describes her workouts as interval-based with a focus on strength. Then I add elements of cardio, dance, and power to elevate and make the strength training more effective, the trainer explained to the publication. And on it goes. I mean, I just think moren like the average person out there gets up early. They try to get their school their kids off to school on time.

18:44 It's like get your backpack, get your shoes, get your workout gear, get the the lunch, the money, the the projects, the science thing. You get them off. You're lucky if you get them to school on time. You come back, deal with the shrapnel of the morning, which has been left all over the kitchen and the family room. >> Then you try to get yourself together looking somewhat decent for the day. >> You either go off to work, an eight or nine hour day where you don't really have a lot of free time. you actually have agenda items you have to turn in.

19:13 >> You have a commute or if you're a stay at home mom, you have a ton of other stuff to do. You got to do all the daytime chores. You know, you got to do the laundry, which takes hours and hours. You got to clean. Got to take care of the dogs. You got to do like all that crap. >> Yeah. >> And you don't have hundreds of millions of dollars to throw away on trainers six days a week who the Daily Mail has a picture of her. Maybe they got it from Hello. No, it was from her Instagram, I think, of the trainer like with a with a like a a training uh band around her and she's like running against it like an oxen, you know, against the the the plow. And there there it is. Look at this.

19:48 >> I'm sure this is just how you work out, too, isn't it? >> Oh, stop. >> Yeah, this is how you work out. And I just like this is so unattainable. And they talk about it like it's like hashtag goals. it. This would require a lot more than just carving out a mere 45 minutes and being super committed to it in your day. >> Did you ever do physique 57 or ballet bar class in the city? >> I remember it was big when I was living in New York.

20:10 >> A big thing. And I used to do it and I remember being up there. Um it was near the post office and she was in a class with me one day and I was like, "This is interesting." Like she just got off TV. Like she's got the time. Like she doesn't do any work after the show. She just cuts loose and goes to physique 57. Yeah, she does. The other thing I hate about this stuff, and Jennifer Aniston is a prime offender in this area, too, because she's always like, "These it's in her home gym with like the Pilates equipment alone is like $10,000 at least." And then you have to have a trainer to to use that stuff properly. I used to do Pilates all the time. I love it. But um these people also have private nutritionists and chefs >> because that's really where it comes.

20:54 It's not like working out 45 minutes a day. That's a supplement. That's a nice add-on for longevity, health span, whatever. It's really what you're eating. And it's having somebody who can like measure all the food and weigh all the food and keep track of your intake. Like that is a full-time job. >> Yes. And also the laser procedures all over their body. >> Yes. I know that they there's a report that that Morpheus laser which is supposed to hurt like a mofo that Jennifer Lopez has one in her home. So, but like she's constantly being featured as like this is what 56 looks like. It's not.

21:30 >> No, it isn't. >> It's not. It's not. Like you go to the dermatologist, you can you can get anything lasered off. You can get little age spots lasered off. You know, all the sun damage women typically get here, you can get that all resurfaced. Most women at their age, it's like crepey. It's beginning to, you know, it's so it's such That thing about her having a Morpheus laser is so amazing. >> Can you imagine what that costs to have that in your home?

21:56 >> I can't even imagine. I talk to my derm all the time about like so she just opened a new office in Aspen and she's like, "Yeah, like I had to I I bought X number of lasers. Most derms won't invest in X number of lasers because they're that expensive. >> They're so expensive. This is why I tell the audience this is what I do. I do two fraals a year and I love it. And they will do it on the chest and it will get rid of a lot of sun damage. You can get it on your chest. You can get on the back of your hands if you want and get it on your face and it doesn't hurt at all. They give you the numbing cream.

22:26 No, they give you the numbing cream. You sit with the numbing cream for about 50 minutes. 5 >> and then honestly that frail doesn't hurt at all. Then when you're done, you look a little sunburned for a day. You're a little swollen. They they give they'll give you a steroid if you want it, but like you know like if I'm going to be on the air, but I usually try not to schedule it when I'm going to be on the air the next day. But anyway, you do that twice a year and I'm telling you it it is a game changer for your skin. But I just hate the you like sure it's just her 45 minutes a day. And also just the presumption that like that's such an easy thing that anybody can do. It's not. It's not that easy to find that time every day, but it is if you have hundreds of millions of bucks.

23:05 >> It's really not. And you know, I I was talking to somebody about this the other day. Like I used to work out almost like every day and since launching the nerve, I haven't had time. Yes. And you know what stuff like this does? It makes me feel like about myself. I know >> because why don't why can't I carve out 45 minutes, you know? >> It sounds so easy. >> It sounds so easy, but it's not. Before you know it, the day is gone.

23:28 >> Wiped out. You're tired. And like I can you imagine like where are you and I going to go to meet our trainer with the super band to treat us like the oxen in the it's like 0 degrees outside. >> I don't want to leave the house in 0 degrees. I'm not going anywhere. >> Me neither. It's funny because when we were away in the warmth this past weekend, my daughter, she's 14 and I we were doing in another life in another body. I used to teach aerobics. So I still have a good abs routine. So we were doing an abs routine together and we're like let's keep let's keep it.

23:58 we're going to do it every day, you know, between now and like spring break and we're going to like work on our core. Of course, we come back. She's busier than I am. It's like if you have a full life, it's it actually is very challenging to work in just the absolute regular workout. And I it's it's just annoying because even today with like the maja and like the everybody's all about longevity and um I I just sometimes you really just want to kind of say shut the up. It's very hard.

24:26 It's very hard. And you know what actually did make me feel a little bit better cuz so many of these people are selling stuff that is unattainable and really impossible and what they're really selling is aspiration. Like they're selling the goal but never really attaining the goal. >> Yeah. >> Finding out that Peter Aia was in the Epstein files emailing Epstein. You're like "Okay >> there's a lot of fraudulence here. A lot." Well, I forgive Peter Aia because he outed himself as having been a hot mess earlier in his life in his book.

24:56 So, I think I don't think it was about Epstein, but I think there was an implicit like I used to be a very up person and it's been >> It is though. >> Well, I mean >> I do like Megan those emails and what I forgot about I because I think I blacked it out. I've read part of Outlive. >> I think it's in the introduction. He talks about this. He talks about his wife having delivered their newborn son who was in the NICU fighting for his life.

25:23 >> Yeah. >> And he wasn't there. She was begging him, "Will you come and stay in the hospital with me?" Like it like and he was like, "No." What he left out of that introduction was that he was over at Epstein's mansion partying. Like I I personally can't forgive that. Like I can't I feel like it's not great, but it's between them. Like I don't it's it's it's not just about a bad marriage or like a problematic marriage. It's about feelalty to one's son and one one's baby and one's fatherly responsibility.

25:53 >> Baby is fighting for his life as a newborn and you're over at Epstein who's who's abusing children. You're over at that house. I know. Like I cannot square it. Like I can't >> I'm not I can't make an excuse for it because I love Peter and I and he's been so good to me personally and I I really I I think he can recover from this. I think he should do like one interview or one podcast where he just explains this and I think people would be quick to forgive him because he's literally trying to help us all live longer. Like it's like he's not the greatest messenger on like how to behave morally, but he does know how to behave in order to extend your life and he's trying to help people. I think one interview or one podcast on his own where he says it was worse than I disclosed and let me

26:34 tell you everything. Okay, if I'm gonna I I disagree, but here's what I would advise as perhaps a mayulpa in the public square. Lower your fees and treat some people who don't have money. >> Yeah. >> Stop charging or you keep your clients who pay you $200,000 a year for like a couple of exams and, you know, some free advice on email. Not free, you're paying for it. But maybe go into an inner city and set up a little medical tent. >> Oh, that's a good idea. And uh I mean I'm giving the devil ideas so me.

27:07 >> That actually is a very good idea. They should all do it. They should all these outlived or longevity guys should do something. >> Yeah, they really should. They really should. >> They do charge hundreds of thousands of dollars and no normal human can afford onetenth of that. >> You know, I saw on 60 Minutes years ago when they were actually doing real journalism. There are these um I don't know if they're military ships or they're private ones that the that like charities help pay for, but like twice a year like some of the best medical professionals, specialists in any field, whether it's um ear specialists or um phabotamist, whatever, will will go into the most underserved, underprivileged communities and treat people who could never seek that kind of medical attention. That's good. And I love that

27:50 idea. You know, >> even like these plastic surgeons who are like, I go down into like Haiti and I fix cleft lips of kids. That's good. But like maybe start at home, you know, may I'm sure there are actually a lot of Americans who are suffering or kids who have some deformity that their parents are never >> can't afford braces. >> Yes. >> Stuff like that. >> Yes. >> That's relatively inexpensive. >> I paid for Aby's Invisalign.

28:14 >> Megan, it's the same. >> I can't believe you just said that. It's the same. Okay, let's talk about Hoda Copy. >> Okay. >> You're shocked shocked to learn she wants back on the Today Show. I know. >> Do Do you know that we uh ambushed her yesterday? >> What? >> At 30 Rockefeller Plaza. >> Is this hit on the nerve yet? >> Uh yeah, it aired this morning. Our producer Marina got up really early yesterday with our new hireer Lauren and they went to 30 Rock with um a nerve sign. Like it was disguised. The front of it said we heart Hoda.

28:47 >> Oh my gosh. And then Barena got next to Hoda and then flipped open at the nerve and Hod was just like, "Hi, hi." >> Did she get to ask her anything? >> Uh, she did not, but we got intel. This is top. We'll share this with you exclusively. Uh, it's um the security guard said, "Uh, oh, you're really excited to meet Hod, huh?" And Marina was like, "Yeah." And he said, "Yeah, it's a good thing you came. She's at the end of her two week residency." Oh, well, I don't I don't know that she's going to be back on the Today Show next week in that chair. They might be rotating contenders.

29:23 >> Well, I mean, the report is that she wants back on at least. >> Oh, I believe that. >> But Moren, she wanted to be at home with her children. >> Megan, she couldn't give you their names, their social security numbers, their latest school where they're enrolled. She forgot all that a minute. We We did this thing with um we have this uh body language expert who comes on who I love. His name is Mark Bowden and we picked for him uh Hod's first day in the chair and um Hod literally like Savannah's mother's been missing for like a week at this point.

29:56 >> Is like this with her hands. She's like, >> "What's that about?" >> She's like she's like chomping at the bit to get going >> as like the new co-host of today. >> She's like, "Let me add >> calm yourself down. Calm yourself down. Don't jump out of the chair and don't smile too widely because this is a tragedy." >> Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Right. I I wrongly left because they wouldn't pay my salary demands, claiming I just wanted to spend more time with my children. This is all according to reports, unconfirmed directly, but believable. Um, >> and now I've realized I'm miserable.

30:27 I've spent the past year plus trying to get back on the Today Show at every turn >> no matter how I can. Then she launched that unsuccessful podcast, >> her Joy 101 app. >> Yes. which the most recent interview has 1,800 views. >> It's so grim. >> Not even 2,000 views, Moren. >> So grim. >> That's dark. So, of course, she's like, "I'LL BE THERE. I WILL COME. I will co-host for Savannah. I will save the day. And if it so happens that I should have to stay, I will make that sacrifice for the team." >> Her heart's breaking. It's in a million pieces, you know. And she um in that in that same first day back, Craig Melvin is sitting next to her and he is most displeased. He does not want this woman anywhere near him.

31:14 >> And she's going um he's like, "Well, welcome back, Hoda. >> Welcome back." >> Like a bad penny. >> Yeah. We can't get rid of you. And she goes, "You know, Craig, I'm very happy to be here. And you know why I'm happy to be here? Because we are a family. And I am a part of this family. And this is what family does. They show up for each other." And it's like, try just try a little less, Hoda. Exactly. Try a little less.

31:36 >> So you don't have to even say that if it's true. >> Exactly. Do you go around with your family members going, "Hey, you know what? >> We're family member of this family." >> I know. Or like even when you're here, like, "The reason we can talk like this, Moren, is because we're close. Cuz we're friends. We're real friends. We don't have to talk about it. >> If I said that, it would be disgusting.

31:53 It would be off-putting. Like we would be like, "They're not friends." >> No, they continue to try to do this and it's I've been telling the audience these are lies. I can speak to this. Hello. I I know this for a fact >> through that crucible. >> It's not true. They don't like each other. They're constantly stabbing each other in the back. It wasn't just me. It was me most of all when I was there. But it's not just me. They're all like, it's always a power battle. That's the problem. And actually, my team pulled some examples of this. I think they said it's in Is it in ascending order? So, we have the worst defender last. Let's take a look at what they've put together. I don't know. We're going to watch S one,

32:27 which is Jenna and Savannah. I haven't seen this. We'll watch it together. What about you? Well, >> same thing. We got Well, actually, now that I'm remembering this, we got married. I came back also wasn't invited. >> Okay. Well, this weird and she claims we weren't friends, but >> No, we were friends, but it was a small wedding. We can't do this again. Go ahead. Okay. Okay. >> We've never I know. Okay. But look at what's happened. Listen, if we were married today, we both we need each other's rights. Okay. And we're our kids godmother. So, like, it's done. It's done.

32:59 >> Okay. All right. Okay. There's still some bitterness there about the fact that Jenna wasn't invited to Savannah's wedding. Um, okay. It's a little awkward to keep bringing it up on the air. >> Exactly. >> Are you okay? >> I'm having a little bit of a this all of this dark energy I think is >> Wait, >> getting to me. >> Do you want one of my Luden's watermelon cough drops? I >> You're such a friend, man.

33:22 >> Those got me through a couple I don't ago. You guys remember when I was sick after Thanksgiving? >> Oh my god. No, but like to sit there and be like broadcasting to the world, you didn't invite me to your wedding >> and I'm still bitter about it. Savannah was married like 10 years ago or more. Like >> that was long before Jenna got there. I >> think >> Yeah. Like get over it. Who cares? Apparently not cuz she seems upset. All right, here's another one. Um I don't care about the Chanel one. Let's do Savannah and Hod. Oh, this is during the 4 a.m. ride. This is from Hod's show, her joy ride episode. I think you and I have talked about this. This is hot three.

33:56 >> First question, >> by the way, I have a question. Why couldn't we have had makeup and stuff on it? >> Number one, where are you right now in your life and >> in the car with you >> at an ungodly hour? >> Are there any other questions? >> No, that's >> I need to be at work like soon. >> Unlike you. >> That one's really bad. Excuse me. Because that was one I think that was Hodis first.

34:26 >> Yeah. She was the inaugural >> Savannah. And you could tell Savannah like she wasn't even disguising her contempt for this. >> As it is, she has to get up at 4:00 a.m. for that car ride. >> Yes. >> And she says at one point, "This is an ungodly hour and normally joy is in scarce supply here." And she and she's also saying like, "You're in full hair and makeup. I'm not. I'm the one doing the favor here for you." Mhm. Well, and the reports are that Savannah did not want Hoda to be anywhere near the first hour of the Today Show because Savannah considers herself like a serious journalist and she considers Hoda the one who used to booze it up with Kathy Lee >> in the 10:00 hour. So, it's like why why would she be added in and that she

35:10 reportedly fought to keep her off of that hour and make it more about Savannah and Willie Gist. But Willie Gist is very boring and no one wants to watch him. >> Explain Willie Gist. How does he have such longevity there? >> I don't know. He They use him over on Morning Joe and I'm like, this is such a mismatch. You can't put him on Morning Joe where he's as partisan as they are >> and then have him flit over to the Today Show and ask Today Show viewers, some of whom are right leaning, to accept him in this neutral role. Like that's that's just never going to work.

35:43 >> So that's one of their many problems. All right, here's another one. This is Hoda and Savannah again. No, let's play. I want to see S four. Let's see it >> quick. >> Al makes the best sandwiches. I mean, your house. >> Come on. Come on over. >> He does it every Tuesday. We're doing the best every stop trying to make Tuesday a thing. It's not happening. >> Already a thing. >> Yes.

36:06 >> Okay, that was whatever. Not great, but I see it. Uh, and now here is Satics. Anyway, there's a new trend in weddings and it's all about micro weddings, small weddings, tiny weddings. They're growing in popularity because I think people don't want to spend a ton of money on the party and then afterwards with the bills. >> I mean, if you look back, like, think about who was at your first wedding. >> Why you do >> I'm sorry. Well, your only wedding, but when you think about it, weren't there some people that you were I mean, I for me >> I did a destination wedding. So, >> Oh, so it was small.

36:40 >> Yeah, it wasn't small, but it wasn't huge. Although I think my parents had a micro wedding and my dad has a big family. >> Oh, they did? >> Yeah. But my mom has a small family. So that I mean they had 30 people. >> That's >> That's micro. >> That's I think that's microish. It's 10 to 30. So they were right there. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Well, would I mean I don't know what to ask. Would you like to have a small wedding or a large wedding one day?

37:01 >> Um when that day comes. >> Yeah. >> Uh probably a small. I'm so uncomfortable. >> You know, Jenna hates Hoda and Hoda hates Jenna. And I recently um just watched because we just did a piece on this. Uh you know how Anna Wintor is dragging her successor Khloe Mau. >> Yes. Big time. That clip is crazy. >> It's w It's like Anna's like, I just want I'm going to get out of the frame. Like this woman is a mess. you know, but she >> they gave a joint they gave a joint interview and >> the New York Times style.

37:35 >> The new one's kind of earnest and saying like what she's worried about and Anna Winter is like glaring at her like you're a twit. I can't believe I'm sharing a camera with you. >> Also supremely like an a supremely unglamorous twit. >> Yes. >> Right. >> And uh so then Khloe went over by herself like a big girl to today to be interviewed by Jenna Bush Hager. Oh boy. >> For like a big one-on-one. And Jenna goes, "You know, we have something in common. We're both from famous families." >> Oh, God.

38:03 >> So, we're looking at two complete charisma vacuums colliding. >> Wait, who's the what is she? A Nepo baby, the girl taking over for Hannah Winter. >> Chloe's mother is Candace Bergen. >> Oh, no way. >> And her father is the famed He's dead now. Uh, French Oscar winning director Louis Mau, who you would know your child of similar vintage. He directed uh Brook Shields and Pretty Baby when she >> Yeah. Oh my god, that movie could never fly today.

38:32 >> Never. >> Completely perved. >> Never. But, you know, maybe it explains why Khloe's such a dud. Like, she just wants to be normal. >> She does seem very boring. >> She's a total dud. >> At least Anna Winter is not boring. You know, you you're always wondering what's going on underneath those sunglasses. >> I feel like with a fashion editor of that magnitude, you need a big personality and you need a big look to go with it.

38:53 >> Yeah. You know, like you think of like the Diana of Veland's of the world. Like that's what you want. >> You and I look better than she looked in that little interview. >> You and I could edit Vogue. >> Oh, I think it would be a much bigger success. Actually, >> it absolutely would be. >> We would know who to profile and we certainly wouldn't begin a profile of Gavin Newsome with the nonsense that they just did, which sounded like a fawning teenager spending time with the prom king. It was humiliating what they wrote about him, his hairline, and god, what were some of the adjectives? It was so painful. I could barely get through.

39:23 I read some of it to JD Vance. We both agreed he will not get that treatment when he sits with Vogue. >> Well, if JD ever gets to sit with Vogue. >> Yeah, exactly. >> Or his wife. They'll never get to sit with Vogue. >> Exactly. Meanwhile, Usha Vance is stunning. I mean, she was and she's a brown person. So, Vogue's supposed to love that. But not when you're married to JD. >> No, but so Exactly. So, uh the uh wife of the new uh mayor of New York City, Mom Dami, who has just distinguished himself by racking up like 20 deaths in the most recent snowstorm.

39:51 >> Yeah. all the they're just homeless, Moren. That's all. That's just >> It actually makes me think it makes me wonder, do people of that ilk who adhere to this belief system of of like communal communism, right? Everybody gets the same. >> Are these people really considered expendable? Yes. >> In that way, because they don't contribute anything in the same way, >> they can die. Who gives a >> In the same way, the tolerant left is the most intolerant group in America.

40:18 Name me a conservative who has cancelled a friendship over politics. It doesn't happen. >> So true. >> It is the left that cancels the right that decides you're too far gone. You're beyond the pale because you vote Republican because you're a Trump supporter. They hold your politics against you. It only goes one way. I got to tell you something. I just found this out recently and the friend of mine who told me will not I don't think be upset by this. Um, I found out that someone on the outer ring of my social circle, who I thought was who's always sort of pleasant to my face, said to this person we both know, "How can you be friends with Moren?

40:56 She's a fascist." A fas a fascist. She's a fascist. I guess I don't know because of where I work or because I come on your show or I work for you. I have no idea. But I I just laughed out loud when I heard it because >> clearly I think this person really believes it and like that's so stupid. >> So stupid. >> But so fun when you realize how dumb certain people, you know, who have been in your life are that you didn't know. Like it's a big reveal. Like wow. Okay.

41:28 But it's just so funny. I would never hold a friend's politics against her. I I don't care who you vote for. I really don't. Could not care less. Actually, um, if you if you want to ask me about my thoughts on politics or whatever, that's I'll tell you, obviously. I do that for a living and I'll listen to yours, too. I'm not offended by somebody else being a liberal or voting for Kamla. You know, it's not something I would do, but I'm not offended by it.

41:51 It's only the left. It's just they're so intolerant. They're so hypocritical. Um, all right, let's keep going. Um, have you been following the Nancy Guthrie Nancy Ben Ramsey? >> A little bit. >> A lot. A lot. >> Okay. Um Trump weighed in again. >> Oh yeah. >> I mean two weeks ago he was saying like we've got it solved and that >> Well, he did say he said I think some good things are about to happen. And that was the day before Cash Patel released that video.

42:20 >> It's it's ambiguous if I'm being honest. He said it on a Friday night and Cash Patel released the stuff on a Tuesday. >> Okay. >> And there were reports that the FBI had just found it like that day or on Monday and they released it immediately. So I to this moment I don't totally know if that's what Trump was talking about. >> Okay. I think it is. I feel like they probably did have it and he knew or maybe they at least stumbled upon it at Google and they had told the president.

42:42 That's plausible to me because that Trump doesn't he actually doesn't unlike what the left says about him run out there and say that he doesn't he can't back up. >> Um >> but now that's why I'm more bummed about his current messaging which does not sound hopeful. He got asked again on Air Force One. This time I think the last time too was by uh Peter Ducey >> about like what do you think on the Nancy Guthrie case? And this is where Trump went with it uh yesterday. Here it is 7.

43:08 >> What do you based on what you've been told? What do you think happened to Savannah Guthri's mom fancy? >> Boy, it's so so crazy. It's so bad. I didn't like when they were talking about going after the pacemaker and the and you know before they even started going after it, they're coming and reporting it. So if in fact they could do it that way, the person would say, "Well, I'm not going to let that happen." Right? So bad things would happen if he didn't not going to let that happen. I I can't imagine why they would have done that just in terms of strategy is one little piece. I don't know. But we have to start reporting on other subjects or else see what happens. It's a very sad situation.

43:49 >> That doesn't sound so hopeful. Moren doesn't sound like a man who just got good news from Cash Patel about where the investigation is. I've been thinking about this a lot because um I've really loathed this sheriff since day one and I just wish there were I don't know what the mechanism would be to just remove him and the sheriff's office and just let the FBI run a point on this >> and contain the messaging because he's no longer giving pressers. But any outlet that asks, he will talk to you.

44:19 And I was listening to your show this morning about the amount of times he like weeps. >> Yeah. Or tries to >> or tries to. And there's like this weird inversion of like his level of competence. >> Like he doesn't he he won't realize how incompetent he truly is. And his love of media attention. And anybody who had an iota of self-awareness would know, well, I'm I'm in way over my head on this one. >> I should run from the media. I should let the FBI deal with this messaging because Trump just said something really smart there. They said, "We're now looking for the pacemaker." So, whoever did this is going to go retrieve that pacemaker and destroy that pacemaker.

45:01 So, strategically, that's pretty idiotic. >> Yeah. If NY's been killed. Exactly. That's >> But is it is there is it possible that the pacemaker still emits even if the person is dead. So, there's >> Yes, it does. Not only is it possible, it's probable. That's they they say they do. um that that's what normally happens. It would cons continue emitting. It just won't be communicating with the iPhone because it unless the iPhone's within 30 feet of it. Um but yeah, it's still sending out a signal and if you get close enough, you can potentially detect it. But his point is a good one which basically why do we know this? If we're trying to like find someone who's in the custody, we presume of a bad man, >> right?

45:39 >> Why are we telegraphing to the bad man what we're doing? >> Here's what we're looking for. So you can go hide it. >> Yes. You know, I feel so terrible for Savannah Guthrie and her family because I remember when my dad died, I didn't want to go over to stay with him until first responders got there. But I went and met my brother at the funeral home. And I remember the first question I said to the funeral director was, "Where is he?" And it shocked me. I never thought I would think that way about someone I loved who was dead. I I should know logically they came and they took him away and they brought him to the funeral home and and and she said, "Oh, he's here. He's in the he's in the other room." And it it was only that was a key thing I needed to hear so that I could

46:27 begin really grieving properly. And I I fundamentally understood in my bones in that moment why the families of the missing and the dead spend their entire lives trying to find the remains. >> It's torturous. >> I mean, they they'll they may never know. And it's sad because like the news cycle around the story is drying up clearly because the police are either running out of leads or have finally decided to stop sharing them. >> And when that happens, the media does disappear.

46:56 >> That's natural. That's the way news works. And when the media disappears, so does the pressure on the police. There there will no there will no longer be 400 law enforcement officers on this case. When the media packs up and leaves Tucson, there will not. M >> um and so for all this like this once again this local congresswoman, she's a a an Arizona state representative who continues every day to shame the media for covering this case. >> What she's very mad at the influencers who say whatever they want. You know what? All you need to be saying is thank you.

47:26 >> Thanks for being here and calling attention to the Nancy Guthrie case. Thanks to all those influencers you're on. She's a household name. Okay. Like it's it's not because NBC does one report a day on the Today Show on Nancy Guthrie and their ratings are a shadow of what they used to be. That their show is actually not that well watched. It's the collective that's making her a ubiquitous household name. >> Y >> and what we don't need is to shame the media who's now feeling like, do they even want us here? Like maybe we should peace out of here. Like when there's no longer any reason to and they're not getting daily news updates, they will leave. and then they're going to be really sorry.

48:06 >> They will leave. And the other thing that's so key about this is the um more the the outlets that regard themselves as more agust and above this kind of reportage. You know, the New York Times, etc., the way they covered this story or covered it, I don't think they're covering it as assiduously anymore. Is why is the media so obsessed? you know, they turn it into a meta story and they remove the actual heart of the story, which is that a woman who is the mother of a very famous person in America was abducted from her bed in the dead of night and it's terrifying and nobody has a lead and instead it's like what what's wrong in the American psyche? What's wrong with all the little minds out there?

48:42 >> And then you know what comes right after that? >> What why don't they do this for black people? >> Oh, right. >> That's the the next thing is they only do this for a privileged white lady who lives in Tucson. It's like stolen land. >> Let me tell you right now that I don't know if Hod's mom is still alive, but if Hodak copy's mom, god forbid, something like this happened to her, they'd cover it just as much.

49:02 >> Holy You know what? So, um, I was talking to Rob Shooter the other day and he had this amazing report that Don Lemon took out extra security for his mother. >> Nobody wants Don's mother. >> Nobody. He wants people to want Excuse me. He wants people to want his mother so that he can get this kind of media coverage. >> Did I tell you? So, I talked to my mom about security. I'm like, "Mom, just FYI." Then I let her know a couple things and uh I did worry that she might be a little worried and and she found out that we were going to be taking a look at her and uh she was so excited.

49:32 She was like, "I can tell all my friends. She wants to be in danger. She wants like she IT'S LIKE, HAHA, PEOPLE WANT TO get me." But they don't. It's not true. It's just my mom. She's very funny. Got to love Linda. All right, stand by. We have so much more to get to. Let's talk about real health armor. Especially if you're done with the die-filled, toxinheavy stuff lining store shelves. Beekeepers Naturals can be your clean, no compromised line of defense. Start your day with their propulolis throat spray, a concentrated hit of antioxidants that keeps your immune system fortified. They say one spritz and you are protected. No synthetic fog, just pure B-powered protection. Are you experiencing a scratchy throat from winter air or crowded planes? Grab the Propulolis throat soother. Pair it with their Propulolis nasal spray to rinse,

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50:59 That's what you need to know. I get stopped all the time about you, Moren. Tons of people, and they're like, "You know what? I love I love The Nerve with Moren Galahan." >> Oh, I love hearing that. Thank you. >> It's It's male and female. It's amazing. Like it has I think equal appeal as does the Megan Kelly show. >> That's crazy. >> Equal appeal to men and women. >> I love that. >> Very hard to do.

51:18 >> Is it? >> Yeah, it is. It is because I think like the Today Show is obviously just going for women, right? >> Right. A lot of the manosphere podcast, they just want men, >> right? >> It's hard to find an audience that's almost equal. You know, it's like 55 45, what have you. And so, hats off to you, madam. >> Well, thanks, Megan. My favorite emails come from men who make sure to identify themselves as super straight, really tough guys. They love lots of hot heterosexual sex.

51:42 >> They also love to talk Meghan Markle. I got one from a welder the other day. >> No way. >> He was like, "Yeah, like I'm in the shop all the time. I used to catch a ton of for listening to your show." And then one day I was like, "You got to come over here and hear what the nerve is saying about Megan Markle." And they were like all into it. >> Oh, don't mind if we do. >> Don't mind if I do.

51:58 >> Well, it's funny you should mention her because I do have something queued up for you. She um recently attended an NBA game and because she doesn't really like publicity, she sat courtside with Harry and um had to nudge him to smile for the camera. We We've actually gone so far as to slow it down to slow-mo so that we can be sure we zero in. Let us see. There she is. Oh, hi. Hi. Hi. There you are rubbing the arm. Give your photo up. So, Moren, there it is. There's the slow-mo.

52:35 >> Oh, yeah. The eyes. You can't miss the darling. This is the whole reason we're here. That's really what she's saying there. Look into the damn camera and get me my shot. If you're not looking, then they're not looking at me. So, there's a couple of things about that. Um, this is what Mark Bowden calls trophy behavior. >> Oh. So, in doing this, Megan is showing off her trophy, >> and she's trying to animate the trophy >> to make sure that we're communicating that the trophy is as much in love with me as I am with him.

53:10 >> Oh, that makes sense. >> And then when you slow it down and you look at the minute he he looks straight at the camera, there's a there's it's a micro pause, but his eyes look like he could kill. He looks his his he he he doesn't want to be there and he doesn't want to be engaging with the media that they ran away from. >> Yeah. >> Running for their lives >> that I think he genuinely hates. >> Oh, I do too.

53:34 >> But she doesn't. >> Oh, no. She loves it. And you know the other thing is like you go those seats are very coveted even among celebrities. >> It's very expensive. port side seats and if you go you go to play like you go like we see it in New York City at the Knicks games all the time like Spikeley is like practically like a fixture there has been forever even the most recalcitrant cranky celebs who sit >> she is next to Queen Latifa FY >> okay so do you think that was like um whoever does the seating for those games effing with her a little bit >> subversive >> here's a queen >> the queen next to the duchess >> Latifah >> she's higher than you >> she's high she's higher than you and she's She's more wellliked than you and

54:14 she had a hit show for a very long time. Yeah. >> Um and then the other thing I thought was interesting about that game was the Obamas were there. >> God. >> And it seemed to me like, oh, this is this the night where like high-profile couples who have divorce rumblings swirling all around them go to show the world that like everything's cool. >> Yeah, it could have been. >> I'm not buying it. >> But it really is a joke. Like honestly, it's the old the South Park. We want privacy. We want privacy. Front row courtside, you You know, it's so like I can I have I go to Knicks games with my family.

54:46 >> I took my young guy, uh, my 12-year-old, just the two of us, and it was super fun. We went like a momson date. >> We didn't sit there. I could have bought those tickets. I could have made sure we got seen courtside. I didn't do that because I was going to watch a basketball game with my child. I wasn't going for a photo op, which clearly she was. She doesn't care about basketball. She wanted to be seen. and she this is still they're in court right now suing the Daily Mail in the UK about like yet another piece of coverage that they thought was unfair to poor mean Harry and Megan, you know, like poor mean Daily Mail going after these these poor, you know, losers who just want to be left alone.

55:26 He was on the stand, by the way, in that courtroom crying, like weeping or trying to weep on the stand about the misery that the media has caused his wife. And the judge in the case had to remmonstrate him several times and say, "Excuse me, sir. This is a courtroom. It is not about your emotions. It's >> not Oprah. >> Pull yourself together and speak to the matter at hand. That is it." So, you it cannot be both, right? You cannot >> be both. >> That this is exactly right. If you put yourself out into the public sphere as a public figure, you know, in any prominent way, there's a number of ways that you can become a public figure and and be out there.

56:11 >> You have to accept that this is part of the deal. It's not nice. It's not pleasant. I mean, honestly, I was I was laughing. Abby and I were looking at this recently about I'm like in the past few years I've been called a a racist um a trans phobe a bigot um an islamophobe um a pro pedophile now it's anti-semite like >> it none of this is pleasant none of it is true and you really do have to know who you are you know to be able to handle this and I think that's part of the problem with this woman she doesn't know who she is >> exactly >> at all she's playing a role and she has been from the Especially with Harry.

56:49 >> Exactly. >> So, she can't take the negative coverage, which is why they continue suing and suing and suing. And even in that court proceeding, he was talking about how like my wife was treated abominably by the British press corp. Oh my god, they made her an international star. They loved her in the beginning. You only started to get upset when she started to behave badly and they wrote about that, too. The thing about May and to your point about not knowing who she is, so like all the things you were just describing are unpleasant, but I'm sure they don't land with you. I'm sure it's like Elizabeth Taylor once said about Joan Rivers, doesn't hit me where I live.

57:28 >> It's not who I am. Yeah, >> I know that. I think her problem is she thought that this level of fame and a power marriage like this would fill the hole, >> but nothing's going to fill that hole. It's an unfil it's a black hole because it's a it's a black hole of identity inside. >> Right. And it and interestingly in her case, it doesn't have to do I don't think she has like man issues. She has self-esteem issues. Like the women who have man issues have dads who were not around or who left their moms or who serial cheaters on the moms, right? And they don't know h how to be treated.

58:06 They don't know how to like demand good treatment usually. And then I'm generalizing. >> Um that's not her thing. Her thing is I need to be built up into something I'm not. Whatever I am is not good enough. In her head, this is how she feels. And so she's got to land the prince and she's got to have the right cover of the right magazine. She's got to be called Duchess even when she's the only one in the house. Moren, no. She's got to be courtside. She's got to be as ever and with the beekeeper, right? Like all of it has to be curated to perfection or we're all going to see behind the veil that she's just like the rest of us.

58:43 Imperfect as hell but relatively fine. Well, you know, there are parallels here with Carolyn bet Kennedy, who I think we're going to get to. But one of the things about Megan also that is such a tell for me is that whenever she's interacting with another person who's not really it's not Harry, but it'll be somebody else, whether it's a friend, an employee, a handler, whatever. She does this thing constantly that is so offputting and it's a power move. She pets them.

59:10 >> I was picturing that in my mind while you were winding up. She pets them. She takes her hand, she brings it over them, and then it goes somewhere on like the back or the shoulder or the arm where the other person can't even get to it to be like, "Get off, get off." You know, >> she Oh, she does it in this video. Canadian Debbie tells me. Well, she's got the sache going. Oh, here I am. Okay, keep going. >> And then she gets to the red carpet or the blue carpet, you'll see. And this handler is attempting to um arrange this completely unruly, dated old person's train. This this gown is so dated. Like she can't even like no decent stylist will work with her. You can tell, >> right? They don't want anything.

59:49 >> This thing looks like an 80s prom dress to me. It does. >> And look at her like flaunting the Look at Oh, my train. Yeah. This wasn't even her night. This is Tina Nolles's night. This is Beyonce's mother's night. This is apparently also another gala she invited herself to. >> Oh god. >> She wasn't on the list. She wasn't on the program. >> She wasn't among the honores or the distinguished guests.

1:00:07 >> This is what I object to. I object to obvious attempts to be fabulous. It's one thing to be fabulous, right? It really is. Yes. >> And you just are. And it's quite another when I can see you're trying. It's a turnoff. Not for nothing. But back to that sheriff out in the Tucson um Nancy >> Ben Ramsey case. I'm sorry. It's just so funny. I love that guy. Like, forgive me. We have to laugh where we can. Um >> Melissa Francis, you know, she's a friend of mine from Fox News and she's uh she was she's formerly a big child star. She was on Little House in the Prairie. She she and Jason Baitman played the Engles second round of children when the originals grew up.

1:00:44 >> Oh. >> And she was a little Cassandra Les. >> Okay. >> And Jason Baitman was her brother. >> And she could cry on a dime like nobody's business. Actual tears. Hold on a second. I got to pull this up. I don't think Melissa would care if I I read this, but we were texting about it this morning about that. She had watched the sheriff segment and she she liked it and she was saying she said, "Love the comments on the crying investigator.

1:01:08 take it from a world champion. What did I tell my son? Her her son tried to like pretend cry over not getting something when he was young. And she was like, I expect more than this. She says, uh, there there's no water on your face. I'm not It's very hard to believe you when there's no water. She says, it's very hard to truly cry without water. This is why they paid me so much. She said, this is why my daughter's going to be a star. She's like, she goes, "Do you make crying face and crying voice? That's easy. But does water fall out of your eyes onto your cheeks? That is the test of truth. And she says, "I have not seen liquid with that man." Love the number one expert. She's amazing.

1:01:48 >> But she's right. She's absolutely right. And and what I have read is the acting trick to being a convincing crier is that um when people are about to cry, almost every moment like you're trying not to. Especially if you're in public, like you can see the face try to suppress everything and push it back. And actually the act of doing that kind of makes you cry more because you're beginning to feel bad for yourself now. >> Facts. Oh, and god forbid somebody feel bad for you in that moment.

1:02:16 >> Oh, 100%. It's the last thing you want, right? The last thing you want. >> So yeah, he's the worst. She's the worst. Um >> I have a I have a tell before I cry. >> Oh, what is it? >> Um I've had it since I was my whole life. I get this involuntary huge frown. >> Oh yeah. The sides of my mouth go like down far. >> Same. >> I mean, you can't really Botox this region. So, it's you can see everything.

1:02:42 It goes down. It goes down hard. >> Moren, that's it makes us human. We want to stay human. We don't want to have like the frozen visage. >> I really genuinely do not. But in any event, um yeah, some of us have that tell. It's funny. Do you ever watch Modern Family? >> No. I know. It's great. I love you. >> My whole family loves it. Claire Duny, she's got um she's got one of those sts where whenever she talks about somebody dying, she she bursts out into like a weird smile.

1:03:10 >> I love it. >> I can relate to that, too. Sometimes when I'm talking about very dark news like I I'll have a comp a a compunction to smile or even like laugh. It must be in the brain located right next to cry or like emote, you know, in some like the signal gets crossed. >> My very first wake was uh I was young. I was maybe eight years old. I was too young to be at a wake, but that's the Irish for you. Yeah. >> You know, we love an open casket.

1:03:40 >> We love it. And uh so it was my first time seeing a dead body and experiencing like this very to to a small child it's a very strange ritual. >> Yeah. And um I remember having a laughing fit at the wake like and and I couldn't stop it and I I felt terrible and I knew it was wrong but it was like this involuntary physiological reaction. And when we got back like I remember my parents just defending me and I love them for it and they were like she's a child and this is a lot and death is is is an enormous concept for a small child. Of course she had this weird reaction, you know, not everybody's gonna cry and do everything on Q. I I actually remember what caused the the uh the laughing fit. It was because we had these distant cousins who were um not very attractive who upon seeing my very handsome uh teenage male relatives come

1:04:30 in made a beline for them like it was a singles bar. >> That's what made me laugh. I was like out of >> you were the same even at 8 years old. >> You were on to them. All right. Now, speaking of 8-year-old girls, let's talk about Prince Andrew. >> God, sorry. Sorry. It's a transition. Um, he that that whole thing yesterday with him getting arrested is crazy. >> It is. >> Did you see the picture of him when he got out of the pokey yesterday? I could not believe it's it was real. Same. Holy He looks There we're putting it on. Terrified.

1:05:09 That looks like something like he posed for in order to make himself look like it's worth, but he didn't. They just captured that in the moment. That guy doesn't know what hit him. The headline is now he's sweating because among other lies he told that BBC interviewer seven years ago was that he Virginia Duay his accuser said that she was sweating all over the place and he said I can't sweat. I I I remember actually we have that. Let's watch that. Let's let's watch him talk about how he can't sweat. This is uh in 2019 to the BBC sat 11.

1:05:38 >> She was very specific about that night. She described dancing with you >> and you profusely sweating and that she went on to have bar possibly. >> There's a slight problem with with with with the sweating um because uh I have a peculiar medical condition which is that I don't sweat um or I didn't sweat at the time and that was Oh, was she? Yes, I didn't sweat at the time because I um had suffered what I would describe as an overdose of adrenaline in the Falklands war when I was shot at. Uh and I simply it it was it was it was almost impossible for me to to to sweat. And it's only because I have done a number of things in the recent past that I'm starting to be able to do that again.

1:06:30 So, I'm afraid to say that that that that there's a medical condition that says that I didn't do it. Oh my god, Moren. You forget how bad that was. It was so bad they made a movie out of it. They did. I think it's on Netflix. It was so bad. The answer is I've never met her. I certainly didn't have sex with her. She great gray. It's not I have a condition based on my adrenaline. The bottle is warm. Have you ever heard of such a thing? You've interviewed your fair share of combat veterans. You lose the ability to sweat. No, I know the free solo guy had lost adrenaline and now he has to go free soloing in order to feel excitement.

1:07:11 >> I don't think that's what he was saying. From the sound of it, Prince Andrew feels excitement just fine. >> Uh, from the sound of it. And then at the end of yesterday, there were even more disturbing photos that broke. >> We had them on the Daily Mail >> from the from the Epstein files. >> And this is now this is how you know it's really bad because we can look at an image of Andrew seated on a sofa next to a toddler and our minds go to the absolute worst place. M that's sick.

1:07:32 >> They go to the absolute worst place. And I I don't think King Charles is going to survive this. >> That's what Dan Wooden said. That's what Piers Morgan said. Like I trust those guys. They they not only are, you know, a very famous British journalist. Well, Dan's an Aussie, but he's been living in Great Britain. Um but they they covered the royals. That was their beat >> for many years. Like they have very good sources inside. And neither one thinks that King Charles is going to survive this.

1:07:58 >> Holy cow. I think he'll be gone within six months. I think that the official line will be due to his health. >> He'll use that. >> Yep. >> And um William will ascend to the throne, which is what the British people want. Frankly, what every sane person wants. >> Yes. >> And uh he will begin to clean house. >> Yeah. >> And save the monarchy because without if king if the king does not abdicate, I think the monarchy is in existential danger of of of going away forever. As Dan was pointing out that King King Charles when he was Prince Charles, his fingerprints were all over that Epstein settlement that this that the queen signed off on to make Virginia Juprey go away. Though I have to say this, I actually believe like I do believe that Jeffrey Epstein trafficked Virginia. I I

1:08:44 do believe that. >> And I do think he traffked her to Andrew. >> I actually do believe her allegations against him. He's just been too much of a liar. Like and it's so obvious. And the picture, he ded that the picture was fake and the picture turned out to be real. He was with her clearly when she was underage. You could she was 17 in that picture. Now in the Epstein documents you see an email from a New York Times reporter saying to Jeffrey who was worried about his own reputation because of his association with Andrew saying you don't have anything to worry about like you know you weren't there.

1:09:12 Look they had consensual sex. You should distance yourself from it. And Andrew didn't write back like no they didn't have sex. That's not true. Right? Sorry Jeffrey Jeffrey didn't write back saying that. So, but having said all that, Virginia Dufra is like an enormous liar. God rest her. She lied about so many things. I went back and did a deep deep dive on this when she accused Dersawitz. >> And she wound up getting rid of that case by saying she may have misremembered in her accusation against him. Meanwhile, Allan was like, >> "Look at every date book. Look at every record I ever had." That's what a truth teller sounds like. And he sued everybody for defamation. Like, it's on, you And there's I am not that person and I didn't do the thing. And I only ever had sex with my wife. Like he

1:09:56 said, what a truth teller. As as Phil Houston says in spy the lie, truth tellers run toward the truth. They're not afraid to say like I've had sex with this number of people. It was in college and then when I got married and nobody ever ever after they they'll go right to the details. Yeah. I'll give it all to you. >> Anyway, so it's just hard because >> I don't know what he's being brought down for. Allegedly for passing on documents. We'll see. or is it really because they couldn't quite nail him down on the sex trafficking stuff?

1:10:25 >> Well, you know, I find that the the the formal charge is the first one and you know, they raided, I believe, three of of palaces and residences that he uh has been in and that Fergie has been in. The Virginia Gre stuff I struggle with because >> the girls and women that wind up getting trafficked and brought into this world are already extremely damaged. That's the reason them with drugs and alcohol and all manner of torture and you know memory is a funible fallible thing, you know, and the I I would I would put her testimony about Andrew well above anything Andrew tried to claim did or did not happen. Yeah, >> we covered um so I was doing a bunch of research about this yesterday and there was an FBI file from 2020 that's in this Andrew dump that claims and this is very very very dark stuff that um Andrew witnessed the torture of a young girl

1:11:26 aged 6 to 8 who um was strapped to a table and uh tortured with electrical shocks and that Gain Maxwell was the one who administered Um, and there was a second. >> Is that that FBI thing that like anybody could say anything that they released? It was like all unsubstantiated. >> No, this one had locations. This one said, uh, there was one. >> There's no way that's true. >> You don't believe that? >> No, I don't. >> I I I am open to believing it. And I'll tell you why.

1:11:55 these people. Someone like Andrew who is just an aimless shiftless layout, who's a beta royal, who has nothing to do, who can get any any sort of pleasure he wants. At a certain point, >> your dopamine receptors, it doesn't matter. You know, he could have sex with eight women at once. Doesn't matter. Yeah. You need >> That's true. That's what happens to people who get addicted to porn. >> Well, that's what that that was always my first question when before I really began to get into this kind of research about Harvey Weinstein. Well, Harvey Weinstein had an enormous amount of power. Why rape? Right. Yeah. Just use the casting couch. It's transactional.

1:12:30 It's been done forever. And it was a male friend of mine who said to me, "At a certain point, your dopamine receptors, great guy, not like this. The dopamine receptors, it just doesn't matter anymore. You need to up the ante. You need you need it has to be about power and control." I I think that's a factor with Harvey. The other factor is something happened to him when he was young that made him need to feel dirty. >> Andrew, you mean? >> Yeah. Harvey Weinstein.

1:12:58 >> Oh, Harvey >> in the middle of the act. That's why I um Lauren Savon who worked with me at Fox who came on my NBC show and was the very first person to go on the record about Harvey like on television telling the story. She told the story about how they were at Cypri Cypriyani uh in New York. Chipri, honey. Yeah. Yeah. Um, >> and she didn't know him and but she met him, you know, was this before he was exposed and all that, so to speak. She got up to go to the bathroom. He followed her into this corridor leading to the lady's room and he starts he's like, "Hey, Lauren." She kind of turns around and he starts talking to her and he whips it out and starts playing with himself and she froze. She totally froze. She's like, "What the hell is happening?" Like, >> and he jerked off into a potted plant

1:13:44 right there in the hallway. And I talked to a psychiatrist about this on the show, you know, at the time, like who does that? And she said it's the the dirtiness of it, like he needs to feel like he's a disgusting pervert in order to get off. >> Well, we took a turn there, but Yeah. >> Well, no, I'm just I'm absorbing it all because the other thing that I remember I the the potted plant was a character in that trial. Like they could have had the potted plant testify, you know what I mean?

1:14:12 >> And uh we all felt sorry for it. I know. You know, why did the plan have to get in >> like dirty Harvey's dirty sectorations out of there? But um >> the other thing about Harvey that so many of the women testified to and which was a puzzle piece for me is that apparently his genitalia is very small and malformed. >> Oh god. >> And so, you know, do you think like a a beautiful woman like a Georgina Chapman >> is really in that for the love of Harvey Weinstein? I'm truly like one of the most beautiful people roaming the earth.

1:14:45 >> No. No. So he knows that already. Like he knows this person is, you know. >> Well, speaking of her, I started the show. We did a deep dive on Epstein on was it Tuesday or Wednesday? I think Wednesday. And um I I said, "Look, you got to distinguish between a gold digger and a sex trafficking victim." And the difference is forward for uh fraud, force or coercion. Mhm. >> That exists in a sex trafficking case and not in a gold digging case. Georgina Chapman, in my view, is a gold digger.

1:15:14 Like, there's zero reason for somebody like that. I I don't believe she was attracted to Harvey Weinstein. I don't believe they just fell in love. She married him because he was this huge powerful guy with tons of money who could create opportunities for her, which he did, and because he could give her a certain lifestyle. There are a lot of women who do that. It's not sex trafficking. >> And and then the Epstein case, each person has to be evaluated. we're never going to get this chance because he's dead.

1:15:38 >> But like there could be gold diggers in this massive field of alleged victims who are like they fully knew what they were getting themselves into and just wanted the access. It was like the calling card. I got to give it up to a couple of random stranger friends of Jeff and in exchange for that he's going to introduce me to some powerful people who might marry me or might give me a modeling job. And then there's the other younger damaged set who were made promises by Jeffrey of like you're going to have this, you're going to have the other thing and possibly threatened by Jeffrey if they didn't go through with it in an ongoing way once they got here.

1:16:10 Now you're talking possible >> fraud, force or coercion, sex trafficking. >> Yes. And I think in the middle of that ven diagram is someone like Cassie >> from the Dy trial. >> Y >> who you could say was both. >> Yes. >> Right. But at the end of the day, for me, the scales of justice, I look at the video of Shawn Combmes beating the out of her and she's a victim. That's it. >> I know. That's why it was so amazing that jury didn't think fraud, force, or coercion was present in that case. It's literally on tape. Like, you don't actually even have to believe >> by the hair.

1:16:42 >> Yeah. >> Back into that hotel room. >> Third party's testifying that he beat the out of her in the back room to make her go out there and continue the freakoff. But because she had said once she had consented earlier in the relationship or even at the beginning of the session, consent can be withdrawn. >> Absolutely. >> They they they saw her in the gold digger category and that's why he wasn't convicted of sex trafficking. Well, I don't I don't like Andrew's chances right now. I think the British public can't stand him. And and here's the other thing back on whether because he's, you know, it's like the everybody said it's more like the Alapone thing.

1:17:15 They're getting him on the taxes, not on the actual other crimes alleged. Why would King Charles have offered him up on a silver platter, which he clearly did, making that statement like he would in stripping him of his prince title, you know? >> Right. Right. >> Was it earlier this year, >> which was basically saying, "Have at him." >> Mhm. >> I'm not going to protect him. If you want to get him, you can get him.

1:17:36 >> He knows. He knows there's more. Whatever bodies are buried, he knows. He knows. And so do many of the current and former staff at Buckingham Palace. Who let Ja Galain Maxwell I can't believe I have to freaking think about how to pronounce her name correctly. She's such a piece of >> Gain Maxwell and Kevin Spacy into Buckingham Palace to sit on literal thrones and photograph it like a lot. I was saying this the other day. It makes me think of the JFK White House and all of the Secret Service who were disgusted, but they had to do it because it was their job bringing all these women and girls in and out and in and out every it was it's a huge apparatus and Charles knows that the very that the monarchy itself is at a a level of threat it's never faced before because if they start really digging and that's so that's the real question I have.

1:18:27 >> How far does law enforcement really dig? >> Right? Do they go to a certain point and make a deal and let Andrew get get away with a certain amount of time? >> Dan was saying they don't really do deals over there. >> Really? >> Yeah. Dan was saying it's the general practice is like you're convicted or you're not. >> Wow. >> Yeah. Like you you could plead guilty at the beginning, but like it's he said it's not really like our justice. I've never looked into it as a solicitor or a barrista. Um but we'll have to see whether that's a real option for him, like a possible deal. But it it doesn't look good for Andrew. I I guarantee you Charles was told something earlier on this year about what's in his files or

1:19:05 what's going to come out or possibly like dark practices that he may have engaged in this speculation. >> Um and said we're cutting him loose because nothing had really changed at that point. I don't know like all the juicy Epstein stuff is coming out right now. >> I think that your theory is probably correct. But what frustrates me is if only we had a King William at that point who would have just kicked him all the way out, all the way out. >> He's still living on like the royal properties, >> royal residences. Which makes me think, you know, Charles is worried too that Andrew is going to say, "Well, guess what? You know, my brother paid a million dollars to the Jafrey settlement fund." >> Yes. You know, so he knows stuff. He's not some innocent.

1:19:48 >> That's right. They are going to say that and he did. Dan was talking about that yesterday. All right, let's keep going because you mentioned Kennedy, which brings me to Love Story. Um, it's on FX and Hulu right now. I just started watching the first episode. What did you think? >> Well, I've got some problems. I know you've got a lot of problems with this, but the guy playing JFK Jr. is so far annoying me. I don't think he's attractive enough. Even though he's a male model, I think JFK Jr. is actually significantly better looking than this guy. Okay. So, I think they if you're just going to go for the pure model, you should go you should step it up one notch more.

1:20:23 >> Okay. >> The gal last name pigeon. >> Mhm. >> I think the same about her. She's a beautiful woman, but Carolyn bet had a very distinctive look. >> I don't think they've got it. >> Yes. >> Um that's all I've seen so far. I'm only like half an hour into the first episode. >> Okay. >> Uh but you literally wrote the book on the Kennedys. Um it's called Ask Not. If you really want to know what happened to the Kennedy family, read Moren's book.

1:20:48 Let me show uh a scene. Oh, okay. This is actually this is not a bad one. This is JFK Jr. in the gym. I did watch this with his cousin Anthony Radswwell. How do you pronounce that? >> Radswwell. >> Yeah. Okay. We have a We have a chair of theirs in our house. >> You have to show it to me. >> I will. His his mother. What? How are they related? Is Jackie O's sister? >> Yeah. Lee Radzill was Jackie's sister. >> We have Lee Radwell's chair. Get out.

1:21:13 I'm I'm fancy Moren. >> Oh, >> yeah. Um, that and a nickel will get you a gumball. Here's JFK Jr., the fake JFK Jr. at the gym with his cousin Anthony. S 31. >> So what if he flubbed the bar exam twice? Twice is in parentheticals. America's uncrowned prince is facing 30 with a steady girlfriend, fabulous looks, even a movie role. But now it's time to hit those law books. If it makes you feel any better, anyone who knows you knows that you don't have a steady girlfriend. off. I can't show my face around the city with these headlines everywhere.

1:21:48 >> But you show your dick to everyone at the gym. >> Apparently, this is all I'm good for. >> Well, as your cousin, obviously, I disagree. Also, I'm an actual prince with a title and everything. What What is this obsession with anointing you? >> Okay, your thoughts on it? >> I have several problems with that scene. Um, the first is I hate clunky expository dialogue. as your love minds as your cousin. I disagree like you have to communicate to the audience that these two are cousins in a much more artful manner. Same with well I'm an actual prince like you got to be more sophisticated about it. He is also um you know he's the he's the guy with cancer that Carol Radwell married to get close to JF in my opinion get close to JFK Jr. and Caroline bet who I believe she was really in love with. I think

1:22:38 Carol was really in love with Carolyn bet. Um, but that's another conversation. Wow. Okay. Secondly, if they wanted to go with real verilitude, >> JFK Jr. used to walk around the gym fully naked playing with his genitalia. This it's a theme, right? Potted pling around down there, inspecting. So, he was like teasing all the men at the gym, >> needing attention. >> Needing like needed attention like no other. And so, >> a little Marky. He But I think Carolyn was the Marle. Um I think that uh JFK Jr., you know, he chose to live in New York City and he spent every free moment running around shirtless. Yes.

1:23:21 >> He loved the media attention. He loved it. It was what he did best. >> He wasn't a brainiac. He wasn't a lawyer. He wasn't a publishing magnate. He was a hot guy looking for a good time >> with a great name. >> With a great name. And he looked like a movie star. And I agree with you completely. The thing about JFK Jr. and Carolyn bet, the real things, they had that factor like you cannot manufacture it. >> Yeah. >> You know, and like you can put as many hair extensions in Sarah Pigeon as you want >> and lighter as much as you want. The real because the real people >> were so unstable, >> so damaged. Yes.

1:23:59 >> So messy, so obsessed with presenting themselves physically perfect. I think to cover up all that mess inside. So that's where the focus would go, right? >> And there there was something very compelling. Maybe it was the damage. You looked at JFK Jr. It wasn't just his look. I he was a very handsome guy, but >> there was something going on there. Like there was a lot he was working out. Maybe it was his death wish as you document not >> but like there was something fascinating about him as you looked at him, as you listen to him talk. Maybe it's just that he was the, you know, son of >> it had a lot to do >> American royalty.

1:24:36 >> This model, he's an attractive man by any measure, but like he doesn't have the it factor. And I think if you're going to play JFK Jr., you have to have the it factor. And same for Caroline Bet Kennedy, however damaged she was. Maybe that's part of it, but she's also missing the it factor. They're not, you're not like as you see him on stage on, you know, which you should be. You should be watching them like, "Oh my god." Even if they're not as attractive and they don't are they're not exact replicas, you know, but like if they've got the thing, >> yes, >> it would have worked better.

1:25:04 >> You know, those people who walk into a room and you feel the energy shift like you the energy goes to like everybody knows somebody of of import or whatever has entered the room. The one thing I will say about this guy's characterization, which I am enjoying, is I think a he's gotten JFK Junior's voice down. And I think that was a really hard voice to get down because there was no personality in it. like it had just been scrubbed of any real like affect or weirdness or idiosyncrasy and it kind of had all these rounded vowels and um and I also I don't know whether he's been directed this way. I I know Sarah Pigeon had a movement coach to play Caroline Bet. So I'm guessing he had a movement coach to play JFK Jr. who was all about his physicality but he's kind of playing him like this bing dumb puppy.

1:25:48 >> Okay. >> You know like he's always like taking his This is true. This is what JFK Jr. would do. He like never understood why his bicycles were always getting stolen because he never locked them up >> on the streets of New York City. Yeah. He just thought, "Well, that's my bike. Nobody's going to steal my I'm JFK." >> Gonna happen. >> So, I know they call it Love Story. >> Mhm. >> Is that the right title for this thing?

1:26:09 >> In Ryan Murphy's world, sure. Ryan Murphy is a dark, my opinion. I think he's a dark dark guy. I don't know if you noticed um the title sequence. Did you look at that at all? It's those hands. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like uh like the Da Vinci um hands. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. There it is. >> Okay. So, look at the way they're moving together, right? They look like ghostly apparitions >> and they're moving so slowly. It looks to me like they're moving in water >> and they're coming together and it's very creepy and I just I think that speaks to this there. First of all, there's a darkness in the culture that is like that right there to me is emblematic of it. there is this um fascination with an elevation of like death and like the

1:26:56 more Macob the better because those people met violent ends and I don't understand how it is like Ryan Murphy is telling a version of this story that is soapy and glossy and as someone who lived you know as a young person in downtown New York in the '9s they're getting a lot of it right that vibe that feel like that last pre- internet moment you know it was really I was there I I suddenly feel cooler than I normally do. >> But it was it was like magazines mattered and people went out to restaurants and bars and clubs >> and he he was a man about town.

1:27:30 constantly and he was among us, you know, he was on the subway and um but the real story is so much stranger and weird and darker and the way he treated her in the beginning was like he just treated her like any other woman off the assembly line who wanted to be with him. There was nothing that really, you know, he was he was still with Daryl Hannah and keeping her on the back burner and she would find out that they were back together by opening up the paper like everybody else. >> Oh my god. >> Can you imagine? You've been with this guy and he's led you to believe that like you have a real future and you open up page six to see him with his movie star girlfriend.

1:28:11 >> No, I um I laughed at the we failed the bar exam the second time. I told the story before, but um he he passed it on the third time and if he didn't pass it, he was going to get fired from his job in the New York DA's office. And he passed it by going to Albany Law School where I attended. >> No. >> And he took his review class there because Alb Law School has a very high percentage pass rate. It's a great law school. Smaller and not as well known as others, but it is a great law school, especially if you want to p practice in the Northeast or in New York. And so he went there and my mother was like, "This is your chance." like you could marry him. He's the most eligible bachelor in America. You get in there and you try to make nice with JFK Jr.

1:28:55 >> It didn't work out. Morning. Nothing. I didn't get in there. He's never He never met me. He had no idea who I was. And even if he had, he would have had zero interest in me because I did not look like Carolyn Bet Kennedy. Um in any event, >> you dodged a bullet. >> Well, when he died, I think my mom was relieved. But he had a tumultuous life. He had a reckless existence. Ask not really walks you through how reck he had a death wish this guy. And instead, this seems to be yet another Ryan Murphy. I I think he's a misogynist. I actually have wonder like I wonder I'm not going to say Taylor Sheridan is a misogynist, but he can't write women. Every woman he writes is very unlikable, irrassable, and like deeply problematic. I wonder about these very famous Hollywood writers who write women as just like the

1:29:38 least likable together cool people, you know? I don't know. But Ryan Murphy, I definitely suspect, has got a serious problem with women because he seems to be blaming, you've pointed this out before, the the plane crash on Carolyn's tardiness to showing up to the plane that day and that's not really what did it. >> I think that Ryan Murphy is there is a specific kind of gay man that is very dangerous. They are truly misogynists, but they use their sexuality as a way of sidling up to women and being like, I could never be against women. Look at I know what it's like to to be like a marginalized person in the world. Andy Cohen's another one. Okay, they're very dangerous. Um I agree with you that Taylor I think Taylor Sheridan is a misogynist. I watched the bulk of um Yellowstone and there was a scene in there where he had the strongest female

1:30:27 character brutally assaulted and nearly gang raped and that Beth Dutton that scene went on way too long. I'll say the same thing actually. >> Agree. And I'm watching Land Man now which I like. I like Land Man. >> Okay. The daughter though. the daughter and >> he's like having these conversations about sex with her father. >> Exactly. And the wife, the the the you know his ex-wife who they're back together, but like it's there's something about the way he's writing these women and I'm like this is kind of offensive like where there is there's a strong female lawyer there. So I don't know what he's going to do with with her. She's a good and I like Carol Sharon. I like that he's not woke and I like that he's pushing back on oil

1:31:01 narratives in this show among other narratives. But like it is not great to have all women in your series portrayed like complete fuckups. Like you do need some a couple of strong great female role models I think uh in your in your movies. I mean in defense of Taylor his male characters are also pretty shitty. So maybe it's across the board. >> Are they gang raped? Like are they under threat of that? You know, in that whole scene with Beth Dutton, too, where it was like, well, is uh who's the guy who plays the boy Rip is Rip going to get to her on time and like, you know, throw all these guys through windows? I had a similar reckoning with um David Chase and the Sopranos.

1:31:39 >> Oh, >> okay. So, do you remember the episode where Melie gets raped? >> Yes. >> Okay. I purposefully never watched that episode. I watched the entire series, but I would not watch that episode. And then I was watching the documentary on Chase. This is the Tony Soprano psychiatrist, female play played by Lorraine Broco. >> Lorraine Broco, very tough New York woman. Like a tough, glamorous New York woman. And in the documentary, she said to David Chase, she got that script and she said, "Why are you doing this to her?" >> Oh yeah, that's right. Why are you doing this to her? I don't want you to do this to her. And she said he explained it to her and then she understood. But that was the first time I watched that scene in the context of that documentary and it went on forever and I thought he is

1:32:18 enjoying this and he is enjoying taking the one woman in this series who is an intellectual and an independent woman and violating her like this and violating the actress who plays her like this and it's rage at the mother whole other thing. >> Wow. >> Yeah. >> I don't think you're wrong. Well, I don't Are you enjoying the series love story? >> I I find it I find it very watchable. They dropped the first three episodes and then now one comes out per week.

1:32:43 >> I find it very watchable, which is different than do I think it's good. You know what I mean? >> I know you don't think they're portraying Jackie O correctly. >> I think it's a desecration. I think >> we have time. Let's Let's play a little clip of that. Um, we have one of those pulled. Do you guys know the one? It's uh Oh, S 33, I think, is the one, right? I don't know. Do you want to see when she speaks to JFK Jr.? Um, only one of us knows what it's like to marry into the family, or do you want to see the one where she's drinking alone in her living room? drinking alone.

1:33:09 >> That's the one Morin wants. Let's see it. Stop 34. >> Before you drift to sleep upon your cotton, >> she's in a living room. She's like hugging herself and kind of dancing. >> Tales that you remember of >> she smoking. Can't tell. >> Ask every person if he's heard the story and tell it strong and clear if he has not. She's picking up a JFK portrait and dancing with it. >> Whisp of glory called Camelot.

1:33:50 Camelot. Camelot. >> Once there was a spot for one brief shining moment. Wow. >> Oh, wow. >> It's like a miniature replica of JFK's official White House portrait. >> It's beyond camp. So, at this point in the series, Jackie is dying of cancer. Like a very aggressive cancer. She weighs like 80 lbs soaking wet. She's drunk, chain smoking near an open fire. And what do you do? Of course, you bend down and pick up like a 40 foot portrait and start dancing with it.

1:34:40 >> It's like the size of this thing. >> Exactly. Exactly. >> So, they're not going for true accuracy here. Okay. That's typical Ryan Murphy. Um, okay. There's more that we have to get to. Let me switch to the Olympics. The Alyssa Lou win last night. Do we have a clip of it? Uh, let's see. Alyssa Lou, I don't know if we cut her actual skating. Yeah, we did. Saw 12. Let's watch it.

1:35:13 >> People loved it when she dragged across the ice with her knee down. She just did. Now she does a bunch of them spinning with her knees on the ground. Why did we love that and her so much? I don't know. You know, ice skating is really one of my favorite things to watch in the Olympics. It always has been. I haven't been able to watch as much this year. I would imagine though the physical like how difficult it must be to skate on your knees. Oh my god. >> Like the potential damage you could do.

1:35:47 That could be a career ender. >> Yes. And she got a bigger cheer for that than she got for like her she did a quad. She did triple axle. like the hardest moves. >> She her dad was born in China. He fled here I think at age 25 after Tanaman Square >> and he then he had Alyssa through um a surrogate like a he had a donor egg put into a surrogate and then he had Alyssa and her brother and sister I think it is and raised them out in San Francisco. when she became a star ice skater, she went to the Olympics when she was 16 in in China in Beijing. And she went, I think four years earlier when she was just 12. Can't remember where the Olympics were that year. And she was just a babe, but she tried. She did okay. She finished seventh in Beijing.

1:36:35 But they they kept trying to like recruit her, the Chinese. >> Um, and they the State Department at the dad's request had to put two full-time guards with her when she went over to Beijing. So the Chinese have been eyeballing her because they wanted to make her into an eene goo, you know. >> Oh, yeah. Yeah. >> Who skates for China? >> Yeah, I heard you. >> Not America. >> Given the fact that her dad was Chinese. What Steve?

1:37:01 >> Oh, she Yeah, Eileene skis. He's saying putting Eileen Goo a skier. Okay. Alyssa is obviously a skater and uh Eileen went for it and is making millions of dollars thanks to her Chinese affiliation and she's winning medals for the Chinese now even though she's American. Um and this gal said no. >> And and her dad no. >> Wow. >> They resisted every effort. They resisted all those gazillion dollar endorsement deals they could have gotten if they'd signed with the Chinese because they they'll throw money at you.

1:37:28 >> She said, "I'm skating for America." And the dad said that there's a reason I moved to the United States of America. and she went out there and they talked about how she retired uh two she retired right after the Beijing Olympics when she was 16 and then two years after that when she was 18 she tried skiing and she had so much fun skiing down the ski mountain. It was very challenging. Her legs were burning but she felt exhilarated by the challenge and she thought what if I could have this feeling out on the ice doing the thing that I used to be really good at.

1:37:58 >> Oh wow. >> And so she put her skates back on. She went back out there and she she tested to see if she could still do a a double axle and she could. She did it and she was like, "There might be a way back for me where I can do this sport my way." And so she started to skate the way she wants. And she chose the music she wanted. And she wore her hair the way she wanted with the crazy stripes. And she had the lip piercing that makes it look like she's got, you know, little two little things on the two front teeth. and she got out there and she chose the um who sings that song, you know, is it Eileen Cara? Whatever. She chose, you know, one of our more fun pop anthems here, not some stiff operetic thing that puts you to sleep.

1:38:43 >> And she had fun with her gold flitty gown. And we did too. Like that was part of I have more to say. I'm not done with with uh Alyssa, but I do have to take a quick break. We're going to come back on the opposite side and finish our discussion of the of the Olympics. Don't go away. Feeling sluggish, bloated, not quite like yourself? Life constantly bombards us with silent threats, processed foods, artificial light, non-stop stress, all of which can disrupt gut health, drain energy, and weaken immune health. When that happens, it's not that your body's broken. It's that it might be missing the right inputs. That's why I want to tell you about Armor Cholesterol. It's packed with more than 400 bioactive nutrients that they say can work at a foundational level to fortify gut health, support immune health, fuel recovery, and

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1:40:20 Like, she had fun. Everybody else looked scared shitless. >> She had a great time. >> And I wonder if there's like an example in there for these other figure skaters >> who choke sometimes, you know, like poor sweet Ilia Ilia Melin Melanin. I don't know. Forgive me. He's new to me, but he's wonderful. But he had a very tough performance the other night. He choked and he admitted that it was a choke, that it was all mental. Maybe if you just go out there and you just make it like the most fun thing that you can't wait to do, you get results like this gal in gold. That's the thing I love about sports, whether it's the Olympics or professional sports. And it's not like I'm a huge sports fan. There are certain things I do really love like I love watching the US Open and stuff but

1:41:05 I love the metaphor that sports can give you for so much in life and when you're talking about that like that way like that's how I try to approach >> anything like it's just yeah like I have so much fun with the nerve and I wasn't trying to make it fit into any sort of particular box or hit certain people. It's just like, well, we're all kind of out of our minds over there and it's really fun and um that's how we do it. And I think, you know, it made me think too of um >> God. Oh, so so uh I saw this segment once back on Real Sports when that was still running with Brian Gumble about these major league pitchers like these phenoms like these guys like they were just gifted. Like I mean they worked hard but like they had natural inborn talent and there was this thing that I forget they have a name for it where

1:41:52 like suddenly they like freeze and they choke and they lose their ability to pitch. >> Oh >> and it's not just like >> the yips. >> The yips. Exactly. And it's like it and then it really calcifies within them and it and the more they try to get out of it like the deeper they get into it and they have to hire like specific coaches to get them back to the majors. And it it watching it, it was just like terrifying to me because it it's a it's an object lesson, I think, in trying not to get too in your own head too much and trying to control an outcome. Like I would bet that girl probably came at that like I'm just happy to be here. I'm at the effing Olympics and that's a win.

1:42:29 That's a win in and of itself. >> And even her coach was uh on the like the preview setup piece was like she came back and said, I want to I want to skate again. And so I opened up a huge bottle of wine and I and she had made clear to him I want to do it on my own terms and he he understood I think this is not going to be what people are used to and man it worked out so I was just it was so joyful to watch equally joyful women's hockey team we beat the evil top hat Canada what's amazing is our team they're saying that this women's team is the best ever assembled our our female team um >> we in the entire Olympics had never been down a goal. We had always been leading in every single matchup against everybody who got us here and until the finals.

1:43:14 >> Wow. >> So now we open up the finals yesterday against Canada. They scored on us early. >> Wow. >> And we were down one zero the entire game. Last two minutes. We pull the goalie. Our goalie is a stud. She's the one who stopped. I mean, she and all all of her team, but like she didn't let any goals get through. I think we had one goal scored on us before before the last before yesterday and then one yesterday. I think two goals this woman gave up the entire Olympics. We pulled a goalie >> and so we can get an extra body on the on the ice going on offense and it happened. They scored to get it tied up before the the game clock ran out. Now we're in sudden death overtime. And amazingly, Megan Keller, scored the gamewinning goal. I don't know anything about hockey, but it was so exciting when she she did it. I do

1:44:08 know the word juke from my kids sports. They he she jked the other player where like, you know, she made him think that her think that she was going left when she was really going right. >> She got around her. She she slapped this uh puck into the goal in between the goalie's legs and the defender was spled out on the ice like in the X formation just like with her head down realizing she had just missed, you know, such an important moment. Poor girl. But you start to feel sorry for her cuz we won.

1:44:34 And um >> everybody on Twitter was like an ex was like, >> "Oh, that was a filthy goal. That was a dirty, filthy goal." And I was like, "These are Americans who are fans of this. So why do they keep you saying that? They're all using those terms. I actually asked on X. I'm like, why why are all these hockey fans using the terms dirty and filthy >> and I guess it's a unique hockey thing in particular. Maybe it's applies to other sports, but they were saying hockey fans use those terms for like the sickest goals.

1:45:02 >> Oh, so it's like it's a good thing. Okay, >> it's a compliment. Anyway, and then the crowd went wild and all the girls stormed each other and it was so joyful. It was like something out of the movies. And here is our team singing the national anthem like a bunch of amazing patriots.

1:45:26 Look at that to a woman smiling, singing, and they know the words to their credit. Sorry, but just to contrast that with the US women's soccer team. Um, let's see what they did in the 2023 World Cup S 19. Nothing. They look like they're at a funeral. It was pregame. I'll give them that. But nothing. A half don't even have their hands on their hearts. a bunch of bitter, angry losers. So, hats off to women's hockey for showing the world and women's soccer how it's done.

1:46:18 >> Agreed. And you know, that makes me think of um at the Super Bowl, you'll often see at the national anthem, we were just talking about Chris Stapleton, who did one of the greatest national anthem performances at the Super Bowl ever. I love seeing like grown big burly men weep at a rendition of that that like just really gets in there and um that there th those are those great unifying moments because sports transcends everything. It doesn't matter how you vote or whatever. >> Yes. Yeah.

1:46:46 >> All right. One more moment before we go. >> Haley Win is on our women's team >> and they ran such a good package on her and her family. She is the youngest I think of four. She has three older brothers and these her older brothers are her biggest fans. They've become complete stands for their younger sister. They go to all of her games. They dress alike. They cheer for her as loud as possible. And they ran this setup package on showing her on skates when she was just like literally a baby.

1:47:15 And these boys have been there her whole life encouraging her. Here's just a little bit of that in the players tribute. Watch. Go girl. Go. Go Haley. Stand up. Get those feet. Get those feet under encouraging her. >> Go, girl. >> Hey, Bugs. >> Hey, what's up with your brothers? >> We've watched you on skates before you could even walk and listen to you talk about your dreams of becoming an Olympian since the first time you were asked. Now you're living it. You continue to impress us daily. We are just so proud of you.

1:47:54 >> Come on, Haley. stick with him. >> You deserve everything that's coming. The US women's hockey team deserves everything that's coming to you. You've worked so hard. Thousands of shots, all the hours in the weight room, all the early mornings, and just everything you've sacrificed. We can't wait to cheer you on as you continue to push for gold. Watching you get to live out your dream is a blessing. No matter the outcome of these games, it doesn't change who you are.

1:48:17 >> You have three older brothers that now look up to you. You will always be our champion. It's so nice. I know. We're both crying. >> I don't cry. Do you cry? >> I'm not crying. You're crying. >> I'm crying. I love that. >> I love You know, that's the kind like I I feel like we we that is maybe more of the exception. I would hope it's more of the rule than the exception, but like these older brothers who are doing nothing but cheering her on. Not an iota of resentment or like who do you think you are? Like you're living your dream.

1:48:52 We've seen you in skates before. Or you could walk. I could make a year on. >> I know. It's so sweet. It reminds me of the saying, which is also sad. Parents leave too soon, children come too late, but your siblings >> are with you for the whole thing. It's just sweet. >> They are. They really are. And they're the they're the ones who, you know, and um that just may that just is one of the most beautiful things. And you know, that's why that girl can go out there and skate the way she does because she's got that from her brother saying, "You just you you're living the dream. You're at the Olympics. Doesn't matter what if if you medddal or not. You won. You're a winner.

1:49:27 >> It must be said again, hats off to good parenting. >> Yes. >> Whatever those parents did, they nailed it. Creating that sort of sibling support and love. And that girl went out there knowing her life was great. No matter what happened >> at the final buzzer. Like that is a huge win. It's a win for the family. It's a win for humanity. Yes. And it's a win for her going forward in life because being at the Olympics can't be the best thing that ever happened to her.

1:49:53 >> She has a long life ahead of her hopefully. And that's got to be a highlight, but it can't be the best. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. She gets to have those brothers with her every Christmas, God willing, and birthdays. And I don't know. It's just like it's hashtag goals as as a as a parent. Yes. But even just as a human, you know, to foster those kinds of relationships in your life. Good for them. God God bless the entire team. Haley and the others. Great job. We're so proud of you, Meen. Love you, lady.

1:50:20 >> Love you right back, Megan. >> Thank you, my friend. We are dear, dear friends. As you can see, we're a family, too, here at the MK Media Network. >> We're super close. We talk all the time, and I'm practically velcro to Megan's side. Not that like I'm needy or anything. We are good friends. >> Okay. Happy Friday. Have a great weekend.

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Alyssa Lou (Guest), Megan Kelly (Guest), Moren Callahan (Guest), Will Chamberlain (Guest), Haley Win (Guest).

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Alyssa Liu wins Olympic gold in stunning comeback, underscoring uplifting Team USA moments, while new coverage highlights notable TV and political chatter, including JFK Jr.–Carolyn Bessette speculation and Hoda Kotb’s chair request. A Supreme Court ruling limits presidential use of emergency tariffs, affirming Congress must authorize such measures.

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