What the New DNA Evidence and 41 Minutes in Timeline of Nancy Guthrie's Disappearance Tells Us

What this episode is about

The discussion revolves around the implications of new DNA evidence and a key 41-minute timeline related to Nancy Guthrie's disappearance. Analysts suggest that this prolonged timeframe indicates possible motives beyond abduction, such as searching for specific items, while the presence of additional DNA evidence hints at prior familiarity with the victim's residence, raising questions about the circumstances of her vanishing.

Key takeaways

• 41 minutes: a long time for a kidnapper—more like a search party than a swift abduction.
• DNA evidence could reveal surprising truths; sometimes it's not what you find, but what you don't.
• Ransom notes might distract from deeper motives; are we looking for money or something more sinister?
• Capture or confrontation? The length of stay suggests a known victim, complicating the narrative significantly.
• Note to self: always opt for the subscription service; your crime-solving tech can’t afford to forget.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Megyn Kelly (Guest) · 5 min speaking
• Jonathan (Guest) · 4 min speaking
• Jim (Guest) · 4 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 3:00 – 6:00: Chris Nanos
2. 6:00 – 9:00: Chris Nanos, St. Andrews Presbyterian Church
3. 9:00 – 12:00: Birch Gold Group

Notable quotes from "What the New DNA Evidence and 41 Minutes in Timeline of Nancy Guthrie's Disappearance Tells Us"

• You other guys about it. It was, as we played from the sheriff, I don't know if you guys heard this, but the sheriff had been saying all week that it was an hour delay that the…

  about Chris Nanos · at 6:26

• Service on Sunday. Curiously, however, a source has now told the Daily Mail that the elderly mother of the Today Show host had not been at St. Andrews Presbyterian Church for…

  about St. Andrews Presbyterian Church · at 7:59

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  about Birch Gold Group · at 11:24

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Chris Nanos — Person · Referenced law-enforcement official (sheriff) · 2 mentions · first at 5:31
  Cited as the source for key investigative claims: additional DNA evidence pending, camera/subscription explanation, and shifting timeline statements about when the family was notified/discovered the disappearance.

Companies & orgs

• St. Andrews Presbyterian Church — Company · Referenced location · 1 mention · first at 8:03
  Mentioned in the context of the victim's religious practices and the timeline of her disappearance.

Sponsors

• Birch Gold Group — Company · Sponsor · 1 mention · first at 11:09
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Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 41 minutes. Think about it. I hadn't really thought of it in those terms up until they laid out the new timeline last night. That's a long time. And the sheriff is saying that there's additional DNA evidence that they're waiting on the results of. So clearly they did find something else inside that was DNA related. We just don't know what. Jonathan, let me start with you on that. It's a long time, 41.

0:24 Yeah, sure. You know what this kind of points me towards, Megan? First of all, we're putting so much attention. Everybody is looking at ransom, ransom, ransom. Um, that it's easy to overlook the other possibilities, and the fact that you honed in on this is really good, the 41 minutes, because that could be the time period when somebody was looking for something. So, they go into the house, there was no robbery, but were they looking for something else? Is there paperwork? Is there some something going on that we don't know about uh with Miss Guthrie and somebody was in there trying to find something in particular? Because I can't think of any other reason for them to be in there for that long. Uh it's not like they're going to interrogate her uh before they kidnap her. So, it would be a quick in and a quick out typically. So, it it almost appears just from this timeline that somebody may have been in there and

1:20 then perhaps she woke up and there was a scuffle and it took a dark turn. That has happened before. I've I've uh read case studies where that's occurred and then they have to go down a different road and uh in this case it could be a fake ransom. So, I'm not exactly I'm not sure, but I think that this kind of alludes again to the fact that whoever was in that house had had been there before. I I just have this suspicious feeling and that they were doing something other than just setting up to abduct an 80year-old woman. So, I think this is something that is uh causing me to pause for just a moment.

2:03 the the reference to some unspecified DNA found inside of the house that's now being tested makes you wonder exactly what was it, you know, was it just they swiped the door handles and the windows and maybe NY's bed posts for touch DNA or was it actual bodily fluids? Um, without putting too fine a point on it, it is the case that sometimes when you take someone's life, they they'll relieve themselves. They'll lose whatever urine or feces are in their bodies, but not in not in every situation. But that would certainly, if there was any evidence of that, I feel like they'd be treating this case differently, Chad.

2:45 I feel like they'd be talking about it differently, but I don't know because his first move was to call in homicide detectives and um there was additional DNA inside that house. Listen, I'm I'm not one to hold back and something that we haven't discussed, Megan. Is is it possible that a sexual assault also took place? Um and again, I I hate to even breach the topic, but is that a possibility? Listen, two counties over from where I am um 2 or 3 years ago had the exact same situation. The only difference was this lady um here was 89 years old, but it was a person on drugs, sexually assaulted her in the middle of the night, brutally murdered her. Now, she was still there, but is that a possibility? 100% that's still a possibility. The thing is that when he says, you know, we are still processing DNA and being so vague, it could make us go down a rabbit hole. Um, there's all sorts of options that we have.

3:45 What do you make of it all, Jim? Uh, this was a a clearly successful abduct abduction. It was a uh if it is a kidnapping, it's poorly undertaken. You don't spend 41 minutes as a kidnapper in the place where you're taking your victim. you get in and you get out. And that's why I'm leaning I'm leaning away somewhat and a lot of the questions about this alleged, you know, ransom letter. I know they're finally come back to be identical, but uh uh again, a successful abduction for whatever reason. Is it to hide evidence? 41 minutes. Was there an argument of some sort? And I'm not going to point to family, but is it someone known to this woman? And and they they started having, you know, interaction of some sort and the person snapped out and hit her. Oh my god. Now, if it's a stranger, leave the body there. Get the heck out. If it's someone known to the woman, what do I do now? They better take that body and

4:37 put it somewhere else. Or if she's still alive, who knows what condition she's in, but I got to somehow remove her from the scene. So, that 41 minutes does open uh assuming that number is correct and it doesn't change on this again. Uh Megan, uh you know, that's going to be uh very critical there. So, again, a successful abduction, but a poorly run kidnapping at this point. And I have other examples we could talk about of other kidnappings down the line here today. But it's it's just not being run very efficiently or effectively so far if their ultimate goal was to get money out of this case. Unless there's a lot of things mitigating circumstance will be things that they we're not learning from law enforcement. But uh successful abduction not a good

5:16 and yet it doesn't it doesn't look like a full lunatic because they did think to get the ring cameras or the nest they were nest cameras and apparently managed to do that without I don't getting caught. I realized that those were not subscription cameras. So maybe the images were on there but just were written over. That's what the sheriff said happens with these cameras when you don't have the subscription service. By the way, get the subscription service. You know, I don't think most of us fully understood, you know, that that was a thing. But you got to get the subscription service because it's useless to you in solving crime if it just rewrites every couple of hours as the sheriff said or writes over itself

5:49 like $100 a year. I do want to talk about I I want to talk about the uh ransom notes in a second, but I I gotta be honest. I'm with you guys. I'm I'm not totally intrigued by the ransom notes because I don't I don't believe personally that they're from the real kidnapper. Though, I could totally be wrong because the more I listen to Harvey Leven, the more I I think he's starting to believe that they actually are from the from the hostage taker. Uh but we'll we'll get to those in one second. I just want to stay on a couple of the items that we discussed with Ashley, too. How about this? The change in the timeline on Sunday morning, guys.

6:23 I talked about this a bit with Chad yesterday, but I didn't get to talk to you other guys about it. It was, as we played from the sheriff, I don't know if you guys heard this, but the sheriff had been saying all week that it was an hour delay that the family had been called by a by a constituent at the church. I'm reading here. Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos has said a congregant called NY's family at 11:00 a.m. on Sunday. This is the Daily Mail reporting. A congregant called NY's family at 11 am on Sunday after she failed to arrive at church.

6:54 And then we played the sheriff on camera this week repeatedly saying that, putting the time around 11:10 um that the family got notified and got over to and or got over to NY's house. Either notified at 11:10 or there at NY's house. They live only a couple minutes down the road. And then suddenly yesterday it's completely changed to no, the family um discovered her missing at 11:56 a.m. discovered her missing um and then within 7 minutes called 911. Now that to me seems like a rather large thing to have wrong, like when the family discovered that she wasn't there and coupled with the new information that Nancy, now this could turn out to be wrong, too. A lot of things have, but that apparently Nancy was not going physically to church. She wasn't going to church. The Daily Mail spoke with a woman who said, um, hold on, I'm finding my my quote here. Let's see. A fellow congregant in NY's church, reading from

7:53 the Daily Mail in Tucson, was initially reported to have alerted the her family that she failed to attend the morning service on Sunday. Curiously, however, a source has now told the Daily Mail that the elderly mother of the Today Show host had not been at St. Andrews Presbyterian Church for years. Ever since the COVID pandemic, she has been worshiping online. It is understood that St. Andrews did not have a large-scale Zoom call for online viewing as some religious organizations do. Instead, the church's 9:00 a.m. and 10:45 a.m.

8:19 services on Sunday are livereamed, and it is impossible for other participants to know who else is watching. To know who else is watching. Um, now the church responded by saying, "All we can tell you is that Nancy has been a member here for many years. She is part of our community and we love her," said Ed Coats, administrative assistant at St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church. Quote, "We're praying for her and that's really all we have to say right now. I'm sure the media will know before we will, you know, how the story unfolds, but we are praying for her safety and praying for her family." So, this was her church, the Daily Mail and also Brian Enton reporting that she had not been to this church physically for years. So, how could a congregant have noticed she wasn't there and called the family to report it on Sunday morning?

9:09 You know, I would I whenever I hear these things, Megan, first of all, this timeline, I'm looking at it as you're talking, I'm going through it, and it's a little odd. The timeline

9:19 that we have versus the verbiage of the sheriff before is different. And uh there's some things like the camera detecting or being disconnected and then detecting movement. There's some things there that that don't make sense that could be easily explained, but they don't make sense. But I would like to know who the person is that reported this to the family. Okay.

9:40 Who called the family? Right. Because if she's not on known to be there or to be on camera, who was it that suspected? Is it somebody that she usually talks to while she's on there? And they said, "Oh, you know, she and they're just not telling us that." That would that would make sense. And and perhaps it's that simple. But if somebody if the church or somebody's reporting that there's no way to know if she's online, yet somebody comes up with information that she's not there, then who was that person and how did they have that information? So there's

10:15 these things and and also the timeline of the family. This reminds me again of Idaho where, you know, they found all this crazy stuff and instead of calling police immediately, they called a bunch of friends over uh to decide what to do next. And so if the family went there and discovered that she wasn't there and it took that long for them to notify police, if the first timeline that the sheriff's went over is correct, that is also very suspicious to me why you would get there and take that long to call police when apparently it was odd enough for you to go over there and check in the first place.

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Who speaks in "What the New DNA Evidence and 41 Minutes in Timeline of Nancy Guthrie's Disappearance Tells Us"?

Megyn Kelly (Guest), Jonathan (Guest), Jim (Guest).

What is "What the New DNA Evidence and 41 Minutes in Timeline of Nancy Guthrie's Disappearance Tells Us" about?

The discussion revolves around the implications of new DNA evidence and a key 41-minute timeline related to Nancy Guthrie's disappearance. Analysts suggest that this prolonged timeframe indicates possible motives beyond abduction, such as searching for specific items, while the presence of additional DNA evidence hints at prior familiarity with the victim's residence, raising questions about the…

What is mentioned in this Megyn Kelly episode?

3 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Chris Nanos, St. Andrews Presbyterian Church. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "What the New DNA Evidence and 41 Minutes in Timeline of Nancy Guthrie's Disappearance Tells Us"?

The episode runs 12 min; the transcript is about 2,271 words in 19 timestamped sections.

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