Why Police are Looking Into Nancy Guthrie's Close FAMILY After Abduction, with Ashleigh Banfield

What this episode is about

Law enforcement is intensifying its investigation into Nancy Guthrie's family following her abduction, raising significant questions about the involvement of her relatives. The seizure of a vehicle associated with her sister's husband underscores the complexities of the case, with law enforcement required to demonstrate probable cause in their actions, while also highlighting the need for all parties to exercise caution in their communications amid the scrutiny.

Key takeaways

• When law enforcement shows up, it's usually not a surprise party, but a warrant-worthy event.
• Probable cause: the unsung hero keeping innocent chats from becoming jailhouse confessions.
• Tomaso: an electric bass-playing teacher with a side of criminal intrigue? Plot twist!
• Annie’s car or Tomaso's? Marital status complicates who really owns the vehicle.
• Savannah and mystery: every family has secrets, but this one is playing out in real time.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Megyn Kelly (Guest) · 8 min speaking
• Ashleigh Banfield (Guest) · 3 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 3:00: Annie Duke, Tomaso Cion, Basis Oro Valley School
2. 3:00 – 6:00: Nancy Guthrie, Savannah Guthrie, Puma County Sheriff, Early Black
3. 6:00 – 9:00: Chris Nanos
4. 9:00 – 11:18: Birch Gold Group

Notable quotes from "Why Police are Looking Into Nancy Guthrie's Close FAMILY After Abduction, with Ashleigh Banfield"

• I'm just picturing if Savannah's at her sister Annie's house yesterday and Annie's husband is there, Tomaso, and the sheriff shows up, the FBI shows up and seizes his vehicle. Like,.

  about Annie Duke · at 0:00

• Let me tell you about this strange thing that we found. He's got a bio that appears on a website for the Taper and Cultural Association. That's a nonprofit based in Cremona, Italy. It's focused on promoting contemporary artists.

  about Tomaso Cion · at 2:24

• And Reverb Nation, which is a website based on music, says he put out an album with a threeman music group called Early Black. That music's still out there, but again, there I've seen some pictures.

  about Early Black · at 3:11

• And I was doing it for Fox or she was MS at the time. And now all these years later, it's very strange. I was just back down here covering the Supreme Court for the big…

  about Savannah Guthrie · at 4:51

• NBC News is aware of two reports of ransom notes sent to news organizations that reference Nancy Guthrie. NBC News has not seen those notes and so far no law enforcement agency has substantiated.

  about Nancy Guthrie · at 5:41

• And so my conversation on Monday with Sheriff Nanos was that they are working with the tech companies to get what's in the cloud, but that there were warrant issues and it was taking a long time and.

  about Chris Nanos · at 7:16

• That gold has risen over 700% in the last 20 years and a never- ending list of reasons smart Americans diversify a portion of their savings into precious metals with Birch Gold…

  about Birch Gold Group · at 10:15

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Nancy Guthrie — Person · Referenced person (missing person / victim) · 2 mentions · first at 5:09
  Central figure in the reported abduction/disappearance; discussion focuses on search efforts, evidence (blood, cameras), and who last dropped her off.
• Savannah Guthrie — Person · Referenced public figure (family member of missing person) · 2 mentions · first at 3:41
  Discussed as Nancy Guthrie's daughter and a public-facing anchor whose family tragedy is being covered; her sister and brother-in-law are discussed in relation to the investigation.
• Annie Duke — Person · Referenced person (family member; key timeline witness) · 2 mentions · first at 0:00
  Savannah's sister; her home is where an FBI/sheriff meeting occurs and her car is reportedly seized; also discussed as possibly the person who dropped Nancy home.
• Tomaso Cion — Person · Referenced person (family member; discussed as investigative focus) · 1 mention · first at 2:01
  Identified as Annie's husband and Savannah's brother-in-law; discussed in connection with law enforcement seizing a vehicle and speculation about investigative focus/probable cause.
• Chris Nanos — Person · Referenced official source (law enforcement) · 3 mentions · first at 6:27
  Sheriff providing public updates; discussed regarding warrants, surveillance footage, pacemaker/Apple device timing, and clarity/cryptic nature of communications.

Companies & orgs

• Basis Oro Valley School — Company · Affiliation · 1 mention · first at 2:59
  Employer of Tomaso Cion, mentioned in the context of his background.
  Have the chance. I study lizards. I play the electric bass. I make homemade pasta. LinkedIn has him as a teacher at Basis Oro Valley School from 2007 to today. they say he's a primary instructor for sixth grade science and AP biology.

Products & tech

• Early Black — Product · Incidental mention · 1 mention · first at 3:17
  Music album by Tomaso Cion's band, mentioned in passing.

Places & events

• Puma County Sheriff — Place · Setting · 2 mentions · first at 5:28
  Key law enforcement agency involved in the search for Nancy Guthrie.
  This is CBS Morning watch this here in s three the sheriff also says surveillance video from Guthri's home has led them Nowhere so far.

Sponsors

• Birch Gold Group — Company · Sponsor · 1 mention · first at 10:24
  Promoted as a solution for diversifying savings into precious metals, especially during economic uncertainty.

Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 I'm just picturing if Savannah's at her sister Annie's house yesterday and Annie's husband is there, Tomaso,

0:08 um, and the sheriff shows up, the FBI shows up and seizes his vehicle. Like, that's an omg moment.

0:16 U, they'd have to have a warrant. Uh, they obviously they had to go into court and show that there was probable cause to get that warrant. What was in that probable cause affidavit from the law enforcement officer that suggested they had the right to seize his car? We know that

0:31 we believe right that oh Annie's car, right? But she's married to him so it's 61 way. But

0:37 was it Annie or was it Tomaso or was it both? Do we know Ashley that that dropped off the mother Nancy on Saturday night? I believe it was a church maong event and they brought him they brought her home.

0:50 So I've heard it both ways. I've heard Annie dropped her off and then I've heard that Annie and her husband dropped her off and I've heard that both ways multiple times from the sheriff himself in uh news conferences too. So, it is a little bit unclear and I don't know if they're unclear. Uh and quite frankly, I don't know if this manyhour meeting over at Annie's house yesterday where the FBI was there um yielded a conversation because most people would say, "I think I need a lawyer here. Uh, this sounds weird. At least most people should say, everybody should say,

1:25 "I need a lawyer before I say hello." Um, and that's innocent people. That's to protect the innocent. Let's be really clear. I'm always very mindful. It's not about guilty people trying to cover up, although often it is. Um, but innocent people need to protect the way their words can also be used against them, even when they don't mean it a certain way. I shot the sheriff. Well, just put that in writing. It now says, "I shot the sheriff." You don't hear the inflection.

1:49 Yep. So, okay. So, we know that they must have gotten a probable cause affidavit to go in there and seize the car, which they did, Annie's car.

1:57 And now, why do we believe is is it just that from the source that the focus is on Annie's husband whose name is Tomaso Cion? He I believe he's a native from Italy. Is it he's Italianborn and he's 50 years old, but he's been married to Savannah's sister um for I guess quite some time. He's 50 years old. He's from Tucson now. I mean, he's been living in Tucson. Do we know anything more about him?

2:24 Let me tell you about this strange thing that we found. He's got a bio that appears on a website for the Taper and Cultural Association. That's a nonprofit uh based in Cremona, Italy. It's focused on uh promoting contemporary artists. It's about a started in 2004. And this is what he quotes in his bio on that website. I was born in San Giovani Valdo on June 18th, 1975. Since 2006, I have lived in Tucson, Arizona. I write when I have the chance. I study lizards. I play the electric bass. I make homemade pasta. LinkedIn has him as a teacher at Basis Oro Valley School from 2007 to today. Uh they say he's a primary instructor for sixth grade science and AP biology.

3:11 And Reverb Nation, which is a website um based on music, says he put out an album with a threeman music group called Early Black. That music's still out there, but again, there I've seen some pictures when he's with the three together, to three guys. I don't know if that's the band. It kind of looks like a band picture, but yeah, apparently he's this bass player, electric bass, who's in a band called Early Black.

3:33 Do we know how long they've been married? I don't know that. No. Isn't she an older sister to Savannah or No.

3:40 Savannah? I'm not sure. I think Savannah's my age. Exactly. I think she's She's a little younger than me. If I'm 50, I think she's like 56, 55, something like that.

3:47 Well, I'm 55. Oh my god. When did that happen? So, I think I think she's my age.

3:52 Look at this. This is crazy. I'm pretty sure she's my age. Exactly. We have Savannah and I actually have a lot in common. It's kind of eerie. Um,

4:00 we worked at Court TV together. I know. I know. You know, I remember I remember being in the bathroom, the ladies room at Court TV, and Court TV was getting shut down. They were very kind to us. us. They gave us nine months to find other jobs. And Savannah uh got a contact over at NBC and I said, "Well, you got to call my friend so and so." And uh you're getting that job. You're getting that job, girl. And then she said to me later, I I got the interview and I'm I got the job. I'm going to work at MSNBC. And I said, "Oh, no. You're going to host the Today Show.

4:27 Mark my word." And we always talk about that whenever I talk to her. I'm like, "Yeah, don't ever question me again, sister." Especially in a lady's room.

4:34 Well, it's funny because I'm down here in DC today to interview the vice president. They allowed us to do our second hour from uh from his ceremonial uh office here. It's beautiful. But when that when I first met Savannah Guthrie, it was at the Supreme Court because she was doing high court coverage for NBC and I was doing it for Fox or she was MS at the time. And now all these years later, it's very strange. I was just back down here covering the Supreme Court for the big argument on uh boys and girls sports two weeks ago and here I am covering this terrible tragedy for her. And it's like at this point, Ashley, it's like I don't know if there can be a good outcome. If they can find Nancy Guthrie and she's fine, that's it.

5:12 And and by the way, we do have a sound bite on that. The sheriff um says he's holding out hope that that could still happen. This is played on the Today Show this morning. Here's Satzero. This morning, the desperate search for 84y old Nancy Guthrie now entering its fourth day with the Puma County Sheriff saying he's holding out hope Savannah's mom is alive. We have nothing else to go on but the belief that she is here. She's present. She's alive and we want to save her.

5:41 NBC News is aware of two reports of ransom notes sent to news organizations that reference Nancy Guthrie. NBC News has not seen those notes and so far no law enforcement agency has substantiated them. The Puma County Sheriff's Office saying it's also aware of the reports, adding, "We are taking all tips and leads very seriously.

5:59 The leads we've got coming in are critical to us. They're they're valuable and we're sharing those with the FBI and others."

6:08 FBI agents are now working closely with local authorities. The sheriff's department says Guthrie had several cameras at her home, but it's still unclear if there's any footage from the overnight hours when she was believed to be abducted. They're also still trying to find any usable video from neighbors homes

6:25 from any vid any usable video from neighbors homes and he seemed to speak to Sheriff Chris Nanos whether they do find that whether they did find any usable video from NY's home or elsewhere in a way again that was cryptic he's not the most clear on his communications this is CBS Morning watch this here in s three

6:44 the sheriff also says surveillance video from Guthri's home has led them Nowhere so far.

6:50 None of the camera images have revealed to us anything of substance of nature. No

6:55 really anything. No, it only goes so far back. And so we're giving it to those camera makers and saying, "Can you do something more with this?"

7:04 I think I know. What does that mean? Yeah, please tell me. So, and I'm not a tech guru, but I know about Nest cams. And uh my source said they were Nest specifically said they were smashed and said they were Nest. And so my conversation on Monday with Sheriff Nanos was that they are working with the tech companies to get what's in the cloud, but that there were warrant issues and it was taking a long time and he was very frustrated working with the companies. He thought he'd have it back sooner and by Monday night he was annoyed that he didn't have it.

7:32 Yesterday in the news conference, he seemed still to be frustrated waiting on these images. And I believe that's because perhaps the device itself may hold maybe just the last hour

7:45 and they're looking for the history and for that maybe the family doesn't have the password, whatever it is to get in. I that's my guess. But the fact that they know they're smashed

7:56 uh would at least give you the last image of it being smashed. That doesn't mean it was smashed from the front. Maybe someone came in the back door and smashed that front camera from inside. So then you don't see who's doing it. Or they were completely draped in black because everybody knows porch pirates know to drape themselves now because of camera cameras that can catch you coming up to them. Smashing them doesn't reverse what you've already seen. That's what I was thinking about that. But the other thing that I think is super key and my source said to me specifically 2 a.m. is the focus. And that's because of the pacemaker separation. The the sheriff wouldn't go that far. He kept saying, "Well, we're still leaving it open, a wide window. I'm not going to narrow that window down for the public here." But my source said, "Oh, no. It is the separation of the pacemaker from the Apple devices that we believe is the

8:44 moment she went out that doorway and was spirited away." Mhm. Yes. I mean, I think the rest of us had gleaned that even though the sheriff wouldn't say it explicitly, but now your source is saying yes. And so can you just reiterate was there any sort of caution given to you about saying Savannah's brother-in-law is or may be the prime suspect? Like is that is that as good as saying you know Savannah may be I may be you may be I mean

9:10 what's the worth of it? Um the well I want to tell you one other thing he told me because there's there was some reports that were pulled back. Somebody reported I think on Monday that Mrs. got through. He was dragged from her bed and the sheriff came out.

9:23 The sheriff said that. The sheriff said that. I listen to an interview literally. Yeah. And he said, "I didn't mean to be literally." Uh and and then he walked back that and I couldn't get him to pinpoint an epicenter of the crime scene. Is it in the bedroom? Is it in the living room? Is it in the kitchen? Is it the front door? I couldn't get him to pinpoint that. He also wouldn't um on Monday when I did the interview, he would not confirm there was blood inside the house. But my source has confirmed there was blood inside the house. Brian Anton has confirmed that there's outside. My source said outside as well, but we saw the pictures. Um, so there's blood inside the house and there's blood outside the house. And as far and I want to be so careful with this because I on my podcast I said it over and over.

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Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "Why Police are Looking Into Nancy Guthrie's Close FAMILY After Abduction, with Ashleigh Banfield"?

Megyn Kelly (Guest), Ashleigh Banfield (Guest).

What is "Why Police are Looking Into Nancy Guthrie's Close FAMILY After Abduction, with Ashleigh Banfield" about?

Law enforcement is intensifying its investigation into Nancy Guthrie's family following her abduction, raising significant questions about the involvement of her relatives. The seizure of a vehicle associated with her sister's husband underscores the complexities of the case, with law enforcement required to demonstrate probable cause in their actions, while also highlighting the need for all…

What is mentioned in this Megyn Kelly episode?

9 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Nancy Guthrie, Savannah Guthrie, Annie Duke, Tomaso Cion, Chris Nanos, Puma County Sheriff. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Why Police are Looking Into Nancy Guthrie's Close FAMILY After Abduction, with Ashleigh Banfield"?

The episode runs 11 min; the transcript is about 2,267 words in 35 timestamped sections.

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