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LIVE: AG PAM BONDI TESTIFIES ON EPSTEIN FILES AND MORE
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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "LIVE: AG PAM BONDI TESTIFIES ON EPSTEIN FILES AND MORE", an episode of MeidasTouch published February 11, 2026 (2 h 1 min, about 20,181 words). It mentions 24 people, works and ideas, including Department of Justice, Attorney General Pam Bondi, Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislain Maxwell.
What this episode is about
Attorney General Pam Bondi's testimony addresses the controversial hiring of Jared Weise, a pardoned individual indicted for assaulting police officers during the January 6th insurrection, raising questions about law enforcement credibility under the Trump administration. Her remarks highlight the disconnect between the administration's rhetoric on supporting police and the reality of employing someone with a violent past against law enforcement.
Key takeaways
- Hiring a January 6 rioter? DOJ’s version of bringing a knife to a gunfight.
- From 'law and order' to 'law and disorder': only in America can felons find employment in justice.
- Pardons: The original 'get out of jail free' card—now a job qualification at DOJ?
- Cryptocurrency Enforcement Team: When you dismantle oversight, does the money just magically disappear?
- A gutted integrity division is the new American trademark—welcome to the land of half-hearted law enforcement.
Who speaks in this episode?
- Pam Bondi (Guest) · 1 h 13 min speaking
- Chairman (Guest) · 24 min speaking
- Congresswoman from Georgia (Guest) · 12 min speaking
- Congressman from California (Guest) · 6 min speaking
- Congressman from Kansas (Guest) · 6 min speaking
What is discussed, and when
- – 15:00: Department of Justice, Attorney General Pam Bondi, National Cryptocurrency Enforcement Team, Jared Weise
- – 30:00: Donald Trump, Attorney General Pam Bondi, Department of Justice, Florida
- – 45:00: Jeffrey Epstein, Department of Justice, Donald Trump, Attorney General Pam Bondi
- – 1:00:00: Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein, Department of Justice, Washington, D.C.
- – 1:15:00: Jeffrey Epstein, Donald Trump, Department of Justice, Florida
- – 1:30:00: Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein, Minnesota, California
- – 1:45:00: Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein, Department of Justice, Georgia
- – 2:00:00: Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein, Khloe Cole, Attorney General Pam Bondi
- – 2:00:56: Attorney General Pam Bondi
Notable quotes from "LIVE: AG PAM BONDI TESTIFIES ON EPSTEIN FILES AND MORE"
He works for you at the Department of Justice.
about Attorney General Pam Bondi · atOil remain essential to grid reliability and heating our homes. Can you confirm that the DOJ is fully committed to using all available legal tools to stop these state and local level attacks on domestic energy production?
about Department of Justice · atThank you, Mr. Chair. Miss Bondi, as the Florida Attorney General, attorneys from your office handled the appeal of my son Jordan Davis's murder, which was denied.
about Florida · atAfter spreading ICE assassin claim. One more. My last submission request is a New York Times article titled FBI agent who tried to investigate ICE officer in shooting resigns. Without objection.
about FBI · atThemselves as being denied justice. They feel retraumatized. And I'm glad that we agree on that, but she should not be in that prison and she needs to be moved back to a…
about Ghislain Maxwell · atAnd what we have heard today unequivocally is that President Trump's Department of Justice, under your leadership, Attorney General Bondi, is doing exactly that. Just a moment ago, you shared with us some incredible.
about Donald Trump · atAnd that's one of the reasons why I think the Epstein case has resonated so deeply with so many Americans. And the other reason, I think, is because it has revealed a two-tiered system of justice and the powerful are protected and the.
about Jeffrey Epstein · atAnd also to Chloe, what a brave young woman to come before this body.
about Khloe Cole · at
Who and what is mentioned in this episode?
People
- Attorney General Pam Bondi — Person · Main speaker / witness (U.S. Attorney General) · 15 mentions · first at
Central figure testifying before Congress; repeatedly questioned about DOJ staffing, January 6 pardons, Epstein/Maxwell handling, and DOJ priorities. - Donald Trump — Person · Referenced political leader (President, as described by speakers) · 37 mentions · first at
Presented as Bondi’s superior and the decision-maker behind pardons and DOJ direction; repeatedly invoked in disputes about Epstein files, crypto conflicts, and clemency for Maxwell. - Jeffrey Epstein — Person · Referenced criminal case subject (sex trafficking) · 38 mentions · first at
Used as a focal point for oversight questions about DOJ transparency, victim treatment, and alleged ties between Epstein and senior officials (including Trump). - Ghislain Maxwell — Person · Referenced convicted co-conspirator / inmate (Epstein case) · 1 mention · first at
Discussed regarding alleged preferential prison treatment, transfer to a minimum-security camp, interviews with DOJ leadership, and potential clemency discussions. - Jared Weise — Person · Referenced DOJ employee; January 6 defendant/pardonee (as alleged) · 2 mentions · first at
Used to challenge Bondi’s stance on law enforcement and hiring decisions; described as indicted for Jan 6-related offenses and later pardoned, then employed at DOJ.The man in that video. The one who was in the police warn body cam footage. The one allegedly yelling kill him at police officers on January 6th.
- Khloe Cole — Person · Referenced witness / namesake of proposed legislation · 2 mentions · first at
Cited as a detransitioner whose testimony is used to support the ‘Khloe Cole Act’ creating a private right of action related to gender-transition interventions on minors. - Muhammad Solomon — Person · Referenced alleged attacker in Boulder, Colorado incident · 1 mention · first at
Raised by Bondi in a political exchange about crime in a member’s jurisdiction; described as attacking members of ‘Run for their lives’ in Boulder.Jurisdiction. He voted no on preventing violence against women by illegal aliens. Yet on June 1st, 2025, Muhammad Solomon attacked members of the group Run for their lives in…
- President Gerald Ford — Person · Referenced historical U.S. President (context for DOJ unit creation) · 1 mention · first at
Mentioned to establish historical origin of DOJ Public Integrity Section (PIN) after Watergate; used to criticize alleged staffing reductions.The president under which pin was created was Gerald Ford. It was created after Water. I'm not asking a question.
Companies & orgs
- Department of Justice — Company · Business focus · 25 mentions · first at
Central entity discussed in the podcast, focusing on its operations and policies under the current administration. - FBI — Company · Business focus · 1 mention · first at
Mentioned in the context of its role in combating crime and its achievements under the current administration. - ATF — Company · Business focus · 4 mentions
Mentioned in the context of its role in combating crime and its achievements under the current administration.I'd be remiss, we've talked about the FBI, we've talked about DEA a bit, but can I please brag about ATF? Rob Sakata and Dan Driscoll of course who has been our acting head of…
- National Cryptocurrency Enforcement Team — Company · Business focus · 3 mentions · first at
Discussed in the context of its elimination and the implications for cryptocurrency enforcement.Working in that office. There are now two people working that office because you have gutted it. How many people work for the National Cryptocurrency Enforcement Team in the criminal division today?
- DEA — Company · Business focus · 2 mentions · first at
Mentioned in the context of its role in combating drug trafficking and its achievements under the current administration.Thank you, Congressman. We've seized more than 9800 kilos of fentanyl and 47 million fentanyl pills. That affects every single person in this room.
- Florida Attorney General — Company · Business focus · 10 mentions · first at
Mentioned in the context of legal cases and the role of the attorney general.Thank you, Mr. Chair. Miss Bondi, as the Florida Attorney General, attorneys from your office handled the appeal of my son Jordan Davis's murder, which was denied.
Places & events
- Florida — Place · Setting · 10 mentions · first at
Mentioned in the context of legal cases and policies, particularly related to the Florida Attorney General. - Minnesota — Place · Setting · 9 mentions · first at
Discussed in relation to legal cases and the treatment of families by administration officials.Okay. States continue to invent new causes of action to pursue state climate lawfare as is evidenced by Michigan's recent novel claim related to antitrust violations. The city of Boulder,.
- New York, New York — Place · Setting · 10 mentions · first at
Mentioned in the context of legal cases and policies, including sanctuary city policies.States such as the state of Wyoming. I would describe this as the tobacco litigation on steroids. Vermont has enacted such a law and another has recently gone into effect in New York.
- Washington, D.C. — Place · Setting · 7 mentions · first at
Mentioned as the location of the Department of Justice and in the context of crime statistics.True or false? Right here in Washington DC, violent crime is down almost 30% since President Trump took office.
- California — Place · Setting · 7 mentions · first at
Mentioned in the context of sanctuary state policies and crime statistics.Because New York is not honoring detainers requested by ICE. California similarly, has released 4,500 criminal legal aliens. there are 33,000 under detainer in California alone. And of the people released, I just think I think it's.
- Georgia — Place · Setting · 5 mentions · first at
Mentioned in the context of legal cases and crime statistics.Lawfare as is evidenced by Michigan's recent novel claim related to antitrust violations. The city of Boulder, Colorado has also filed such a lawsuit despite refusing my…
- Boulder — Place · Setting · 2 mentions · first at
Mentioned in the context of a lawsuit related to climate change.Lawfare as is evidenced by Michigan's recent novel claim related to antitrust violations. The city of Boulder, Colorado has also filed such a lawsuit despite refusing my…
- Texas — Place · Setting · 1 mention · first at
Mentioned in the context of legal cases and the transfer of a convicted individual.Your deputy and President Trump's former defense attorney, Todd Blanch. Just days after that, Maxwell was transferred from a federal correctional institution in Florida to a…
- Wyoming — Place · Setting · 2 mentions · first at
Mentioned in the context of energy production and legal cases.Increase their already mismanaged state budgets by imposing fees on consumers and businesses in energy producing states such as the state of Wyoming. I would describe this as…
- Michigan — Place · Setting · 1 mention · first at
Mentioned in the context of legal cases and novel claims related to antitrust violations.Okay. States continue to invent new causes of action to pursue state climate lawfare as is evidenced by Michigan's recent novel claim related to antitrust violations. The city of Boulder,.
Full transcript with timestamps
Uh, Attorney General Bondi, 6 days ago, you posted online, quote, "If you come for law enforcement, the Trump administration will come for you." End quote. I want to show you just a brief video. It's about 30 seconds, and I'll ask you a couple questions about it.
You guys are disgusting, man. Hey, you guys are disgusting. I'm from I'm former law enforcement. You're disgusting. You are the Nazi. You are the gesturer. You can't see it cuz you're chasing your pension, right? Pension. You're retirement, right? That's what runs your life. You're retirement.
The sad thing is they're not even going to get their pension because it's going to be your shame on you.
Attorney General Bondi, that man works for you now, right? Who was that congressman?
The man in that video. The one who was in the police warn body cam footage. The one allegedly yelling kill him at police officers on January 6th.
His name is Jared Weise. He does work for us. He works for you at the Department of Justice.
He does. This is an individual whom a federal grand jury indicted for two felonies and four misdemeanors related to his participation in the attack on January 6th. One of those charges was forcibly assaulting, resisting opposing impeding intimidating, and interfering with police with the intent to commit another felony. This is who you choose as the chief law enforcement officer of the United States of America to hire at the Department of Justice. Someone on video yelling kill him at police officers. Right.
I believe he was pardoned by President Trump. Oh, he was pardoned. You're right. You're right. Pardoned by President Trump for his offense. Pardoned for yelling kill him at police officers. And yet you expect hardworking police officers across the country to believe that you take law enforcement seriously. You could imagine the reaction of so many folks across the country hearing the chief law enforcement officer of the United States refuse to even condemn what that individual whom you've now hired did. But in any event, let's talk a little bit about some of the other divisions within the Department of Justice and what's happened over the last year. You're familiar with the public integrity section of the DOJ's criminal division. I think it's referred to as PIN. Is that right?
Yes. Okay. Do you know which presidential administration under which the PIN was first created?
I can tell you what administration that the weaponization was ended under. I'll reclaim my time. This wasn't a trick question. You don't get to reclaim your time. It
madam attorney general. Because I don't like Mr. Chairman explain to the witness that that he does reclaim his time.
Because I don't answer a question to your satisfaction. Mr. Chairman, Madam Attorney General, the time belongs to the gentleman from Colorado.
The president under which pin was created was Gerald Ford. It was created after Water. I'm not asking a question. Madam Attorney General, the administration under which it was created was Gerald Ford. When you first started as the attorney general of the United States, there were 35 people working in that office. There are now two people working that office because you have gutted it. How many people work for the National Cryptocurrency Enforcement Team in the criminal division today?
Can I answer the question about pen? I've asked you a question. How many people
asked me a question, but you don't How many people work for the National Cryptocurrency Enforcement Team? You won't answer. How many?
I'll answer PEN. You will not be actually You know what? What's funny about this? I'll say to the chairman,
what's funny about that, chairman? You know what the answer is? And I think the I understand does not want to answer the question because you eliminated the national cryptocurrency enforcement team last year. So I understand why you don't want to tell the American people who works there. I understand why you don't want to talk about Solomon in your district. In any event, Mr. Chairman, will you stop the clock so his time is not wasted by the witness?
Very generous with allowing extra time when we have these little disputes. I understand
you got the time. I might as well ask the chairman these questions because what what is what's profound
the questions I've asked the crime in your district I've asked Mr. chairman are not trick questions. They're not gotcha questions. They're actually basic questions about how the Department of Justice functions and the unwillingness of this attorney general to answer them in good faith. When a member of Congress asks how many people work at the National Cryptocurrency Enforcement Team and the attorney general refuses to answer it, it is not a coincidence. It's because she eliminated the team. Why? because her boss, the president of the United States, is making money hand over fist, $1.4 billion dollars over the course of the last year through cryptocurrency holdings. I think what is happening at the Department of Justice is a disgrace, Mr. Chairman, and I would urge you to gain control of this hearing.
With that, I yield back the balance of my time. Yeah, I I I would ask the gentleman, does he agree with the standing up of the deputy attorney general for dealing with fraud? That's something that's happened in this administration. First time you talked about PIN, uh that happened with this justice department.
We're talking about this committee, Mr. Chairman, had you answered the question in had the attorney general answered the question in that way? Perhaps this hearing would have some modicum of resembling something that has typically been fairly conventional, an oversight hearing of the Department of Justice.
Gentleman fired the the gentle lady from Wyoming uh is recognized for five minutes. Attorney General Bondi, I want to express my gratitude to the president, you and your team for your continued efforts against extreme anti-energy policies taken by states and cities that serve only to increase costs on the American people. This is an issue of great concern for Congress as well as the consumers. At the behest of networks of non-governmental organizations and anti-growth activists, democratic controlled states and cities are enacting laws and pursuing coordinated lawsuits that would impose retroactive liability on energy producers for past global emissions based on speculative future climate change harms. The proponents of these plans call them climate super fund laws, but in reality that is simply window dressing for taxes and fees imposed on consumers and businesses that don't even have a a
presence in these states or communities. But if you look at the billions of dollars they hope to gain from these efforts, the real goal here is to increase their already mismanaged state budgets by imposing fees on consumers and businesses in energy producing states such as the state of Wyoming. I would describe this as the tobacco litigation on steroids. Vermont has enacted such a law and another has recently gone into effect in New York. Similar laws are under consideration in a number of other states. Clearly, this problem is spreading. Would you agree that Congress has not authorized states to impose retroactive liability against energy producers and lawful carbon emissions?
Yes. And would you also agree that protecting consumers is a core part of the DOJ's mission?
Absolutely. Would you further agree that combating state policies that seek to hide and shift the true cost of programs like these uh uh onto consumers fits within your mission? Yes. So, Attorney General Bondi, fossil fuels are the foundation of the US economy, and the recent winter storms underscored that gas, coal, and oil remain essential to grid reliability and heating our homes. Can you confirm that the DOJ is fully committed to using all available legal tools to stop these state and local level attacks on domestic energy production?
Congresswoman, we are committed to that and so is the entire administration. We talk about that a lot.
Thank you. Thank you. The president's April 2025 executive order directed the DOJ to identify and act against state laws that burden the burden US energy production. What concrete actions has the DOJ and the administration more broadly taken to carry out this directive?
Well, we filed four lawsuits. We we are filing multiple lawsuits. Many things are pending within this office to carry that out.
Okay. States continue to invent new causes of action to pursue state climate lawfare as is evidenced by Michigan's recent novel claim related to antitrust violations. The city of Boulder, Colorado has also filed such a lawsuit despite refusing my challenge that they actually forego the use of fossil fuels if they I disagree with them so much. Does the Department of Justice agree that these novel approaches require a federal response and will the Department pursue such an approach?
Yes, Congresswoman, and we'd be happy to talk to you more about that. Wonderful. Thank you. Multiple climate lawsuits multiple climate lawsuits are now advancing toward trial trial, even in states that rely on those energy forms to provide heat and electricity for their citizens. In fact, in any community that they all rely upon fossil fuels in some fashion, is the department actively considering intervention to protect federal supremacy over interstate emissions and energy policy?
Yes, we'd be happy to discuss that with you. Thank you. And clearly, this is an area in which Congress has a role to play. To that end, I'm working with my colleagues in both the House and Senate to craft legislation tackling both these state laws and the lawsuits that could destroy energy affordability for consumers. To that end, are there any authorities or tools that DOJ and the administration don't currently have at their disposal that would be helpful in that e effort that Congress could adopt?
Well, we work with multiple agencies throughout the administration, but I'd be happy to talk to you about that more.
Wonderful. Thank you. I appreciate your effort in this regard. And may I have 20 seconds of your time before to address something?
Yes. Thank you. Your colleague um Senator Nagus Nagus um didn't want to talk about crypto because he said I was a disgrace talking about crypto because he didn't want to talk about the tremendous crime in his jurisdiction. He voted no on preventing violence against women by illegal aliens. Yet on June 1st, 2025, Muhammad Solomon attacked members of the group Run for their lives in Boulder, Colorado, where an 82year-old woman sustained burns on over half of her body and eventually died from her injuries. I believe that she was a Holocaust survivor.
She was. Uh the time the time the gentle lady is expired, the uh gentle lady yields back and the gentle lady from uh Georgia is recognized.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Miss Bondi, as the Florida Attorney General, attorneys from your office handled the appeal of my son Jordan Davis's murder, which was denied. As a result of the efforts of those attorneys under your watch, the court actually upheld the life sentence for a man who used prejudice as his defense for murdering my son and scarring his friends for life.
Attorneys from your office under your management worked hard to remove a dangerous man from the community who terrorized innocent people like my son and his friends. The compassion and respect that my family received throughout that ordeal were critical in helping us keep faith in the rule of law and justice. Based on my experiences, I have seen how strong victim services, sustained investigations, and wellsupported prosecutors can make a meaningful difference in the lives of families who are grieving and suffering.
Miss Bondi, just yes or no. Would you agree that government officials should be respectful and supportive of victims families as they mourn?
First, Congresswoman, thank you for for talking about that and I'm so very sorry for what happened to your family.
Thank you. And and yes, I agree with that with all victims, including the ones sitting behind us today. I absolutely do. And also, thank you for voting yes on the Lake and Riley Act.
Thank you for that. Thank you. Okay. So, your answer is why the recent treatment of families in Minnesota raises really serious concerns for me. Because shortly after Mr. Alex Prey was murdered, administration officials referred to him as an assassin and called Mr. Prey the definition of domestic terrorism. They also lied about Mr. Prey holding a gun and threatening officers. After Ms. Renee Good was murdered by ICE officials in Minneapolis. Administration officials also accused her of being a domestic terrorist and investigated her wife in a clear act of retaliation. The statement Mr. Petty's mother made after the murder resonated with me more than you'll ever imagine. She said that, and I'm quoting, "The sickening lies told about our son by the administration are reprehensible and disgusting." End quote. And I assure you, I know how it feels to hear lies that are told to justify the taking of
someone's son. They were used by my son's murderer as a defense, and those lies still affect me today. He was called a thug, and he was called a gang banger. And the attorneys from your office actually defended my son's name, his memory, and defended his honor. I'm certain that Mr. Py's mother watched videos of her son, Alex, an ICU nurse at the VA hospital, using his phone to record federal agents. She also watched him getting pepper sprayed, kicked, hit in the head, and surrounded by at least seven agents before having his gun removed from his waistband, which he legally carried.
And she watched second lers seconds later as two of those agents shot her son, Alex, at least 10 times. The administration was quick to spew an incorrect narrative and call him so many things that they wanted us to ignore the truth that we actually saw with our own eyes. Miss Bondi, will you denounce the statements that were made to tarnish the names of Alex Prey and Renee Good? And will you protect their names like those attorneys back in Florida under your watch protected my son's name? What I will say is we are looking at everything to shed light on what happened that day and it is an ongoing and active investigation. Both of those cases and I assure you they will be investigated.
Investigating. We understand that. But will you do everything in your power as you have done for my case as you are asked to do as you've sworn an oath to do. It is your responsibility to make sure that you are following the rule of law. Those families in Minnesota res they deserve the same respect. They deserve a full investigation which you have not even begin to do yet. So what are you saying is that they don't deserve any respect for a full investigation into their murders.
Well, that is incompetence on your behalf. The American people do deserve better. non-commmitment to defending the rule of law is what we see from you.
I will always stand up for survivors and I heard you say earlier when you told us that you will fight for them as well. And based on the information before us, these families have not received the same commitment to investigate what happened to their loved ones. Nor have they received the respect that I I would expect from the nation's top law enforcement officer. Investigations have been slowwalked. They've been cancelled. and the special agent assigned to Renee Good's investigation resigned
following pressure from your officials to reclassify Miss V's case. The family seeking answers and accountability. The withdrawal of investigative resources simply unacceptable expired. The gentle lady yields back. The gentleman from California is recognized.
Uh thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh madam attorney general, um I I I get the sense that we've lost a little perspective here. uh the most fundamental responsibility of government is to protect the lives and property of its citizens. Now, you cited some crime figures in your opening statement and I wonder if you could repeat them because I think it's one of the most extraordinary achievements of the Department of Justice in our history and I don't think some of my colleagues heard you clearly.
Thank you, Congressman. And would you mind if I address something that that Congresswoman Mcbath wouldn't let me address first?
Go right ahead. Uh the the reason that that she wants to continue to talk about Minnesota, which we will all day long, is she doesn't want to talk about her own jurisdiction in Atlanta, because she doesn't want to talk about Christopher Welter, who traveled across state lines to try to meet. And nothing's funny about this to meet and molest a 14-year-old girl in Georgia. That's why they're watching the clock. The American people should know for the second it runs out because they don't want to address anything in their jurisdiction.
They're elected to represent people in their jurisdiction. We prosecuted illegal aliens who ran a largecale method in the Atlanta metro.
You understand we don't prosecute, right, Miss Bundy? Madam Attorney General, um I'm sorry, Mr.
Mcccleintoch. So, yes, the statistics I spoke of earlier, Congressman, um under the leadership of the FB of the FBI, historic work has been done. um a drop 20% in the na nationwide murder rate in 2025. Least murders in our country since 1900. And that is to the work because of the credit.
It's not just homicides, is it? It's also other violent crimes, robbery. Could you go through that list real quick?
Yes, Congressman. 100% increase in violent crime arrest in 2025 compared to 2024. What's that done to the violent crime rate in the country?
It's plummeting. 1,800. Wait a minute. Wait a second. Do Do you mean to honestly tell us, and you're under oath that if we take violent criminals off the streets, we end up with less crime?
I certainly hope so, Congressman. And that's our goal. And that's that's an extraordinary concept. And I'm afraid it may be lost on some of our Democratic colleagues of of I I I look at these numbers and they're absolutely staggering. It didn't happen by accident. It happened because of specific policies that you've implemented this year. Would you? And you mentioned a few of them. Would you continue?
Over 6,000 child victims located, 22% increase. Over 1,700 child predators arrested, 10% increased. Over 300 human traffickers arrested. Let me jump down to DEA right now. That was just FBI under Terry Cole's leadership. And I I I talk to these people almost daily, our directors, and the amazing work that they're doing in all of your jurisdictions on the left and the right, working together to take drugs off our streets.
Right. And and I assume that our Democratic colleagues, some of whom represent some of our most crime plagued cities and communities, have thanked you for this extraordinary accomplishment.
Thank you, Congressman. We've seized more than 9800 kilos of fentanyl and 47 million fentanyl pills. That affects every single person in this room. Doesn't matter what political party you are. People, everyone in this room knows someone who's died from fentanyl. A parent, a child, a sister, a brother, a friend, a neighbor, a relative. Everyone here knows someone who has been impacted by that. That is the common ground that I wish we could find to work together in this country to take these drugs off the streets. And someone nodded with vapes.
Well, in your opening statement, you said this historic success in protecting the lives and poverty of Americans has occurred when when local governments have cooperated with you.
Let me ask you, what are the greatest impediments you're facing in bringing down crime across the country? Well, when local governments of course do not cooperate with us. Um, and that's where criminals flee in jurisdictions where they know they will be protected by local governments. And this is all about working together. And we have shown that in what we did in DC, what we're doing in Memphis, working together with Democrat mayors in these cities right here in DC. And very quickly if you could tell us about the safe cities program and give us your read on what what cities that avail themselves of this program can expect.
Yes. So so far of course we've been working in Washington DC right here to do everything we can working hand inand with the mayor with Metro PD to keep everyone safe in DC. And it's worked. It's been a tremendous effort. And now we're in Memphis working with the mayor in Memphis as we talked about earlier doing everything we can. And these are iconic cities in our country and we want to help every city in this country who wants and ask for President Trump's help to make America safe again.
Gentlemen, Mr. Chair, I have you se Let the record show that Democrat was applauding the attorney general's answer there. Uh the unanimous consent.
Yes, please. All right. The gentle is recognized. Mr. Chair, I have a few unanimous unanimous consent requests. I would like to submit into the record this New York Times article titled Alex Freddy's Prey's friends and family denounce sickening lies about his life. I also would like to submit this Daily Mail exclusive interview with uh Vice President JD Vance titled JD Vance refuses to apologize to Alex Py's family after spreading ICE assassin claim. One more. My last submission request is a New York Times article titled FBI agent who tried to investigate ICE officer in shooting resigns. Without
objection. Thank you. Uh the chair now recognizes the gentle lady from North Carolina.
Uh thank you, Mr. Chairman. Attorney General Bondi, I think you and pretty much everybody else here and throughout the country believes that convicted sex offenders don't deserve special treatment or privileges in prison. And yet, Galileain Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein's co-conspirator, received perk after perk in prison. In July, she had a two-day interview with your deputy and President Trump's former defense attorney, Todd Blanch. Just days after that, Maxwell was transferred from a federal correctional institution in Florida to a minimum security camp in Texas, which she as a sex offender would normally be ineligible for. At this new facility, as the ranking member talked about, um, and by the way, it's nicknamed clubfed.
We've heard reports that she's been afforded special privileges, puppy time, private workouts, personal mail, secretarial services. Um, Attorney General Bondi, does a convicted sex offender like Elaine Maxwell deserve special treatment and prison in and privileges in prison? Yes or no?
Let me be crystal clear on this. No. And let me let me let me keep going. No, let me keep going.
Perfect. Well, I did not know she was transferred. I asked you yes or no. was not transferred to a lower.
Mr. Chairman, please stop the clock and remind the witness of the rules. One rule she needs to understand.
I'm glad that we're agreeing. So, when we're agreeing, we can move on to some other things. But I want you to know that every time she does get these perks and it's been publicly reported that her the folks she's abused, the survivors who are sitting here, they see themselves as being denied justice. They feel retraumatized. And I'm glad that we agree on that, but she should not be in that prison
and she needs to be moved back to a maximum security prison as as soon as possible. But what she has told another committee here is that she won't cooperate with them unless she gets clemency from Donald Trump. It's just crazy to consider that she can be wielding this kind of influence within the administration. But that begs the question, who ordered her to be transferred to the minimum security prison that she was ineligible for? Who signed off on the special privileges? Was it Mr. Blanch? Was it one of your other subordinates? So, please can you tell us who sent her there since you don't agree she should be there?
I said I do not agree she should receive special treatment. She was transferred I learned after the fact to the same level facility and that is a question for the Bureau of Prisons. I was not involved in that at all. The same level facility. I don't know why, but you know, instead of talking about Gerling Maxwell, who hopefully will die in prison, hopefully will die in prison, you should be talking about Arena Zerutka.
I have a couple of died on a subway, right? And I absolutely You don't talk about that.
I have been talking about it and actually helping with these issues. But we're going to move back to you.
I bet we are. Yes, of course. Because you're here to testify. That's what the whole point of this endeavor is. So, of course, we're moving back to you. It is all about you. So, as we've heard, she she took the fifth in response to every single question in that committee hearing and her lawyer dangled the offer of clemency. Should Donald Trump pardon or commute her sentence? Should she be released from prison? Yes or no? You said you hope she dies there, so I'm hoping the answer is no. I already answered that question.
Good. I'm very glad. I really like this bipartisan agreement about agreement with you. But you don't want to talk about Ireina Zerutka. You don't want to talk about
I talk about her murdered by a violent crime of But I am not here to testify before Congress. You are. That is your job today. That's what you're getting with attacking. Um, I want you to know that your your your own um DOJ employee, he's recently been demoted and had some other problems, advises on pardons. Do you think he will be advising Mr. Trump on any kind of clemency or pardon for Golain Maxwell? I am not going to speculate. And you couldn't even identify properly. That's why you don't want to talk about Ireina Zerutska. you couldn't properly identify her relative.
I absolutely embarrassing have been and her family by the way appreciates all of the condolences, all of the help, everything that our law enforcement in North Carolina has been doing to help her family. Her family feels well treated. Thank you and I yield back. Lady yields back. Gentleman from California is recognized. I'd ask unanimous consent to enter into the record an article by former attorney general William P. Bar entitled Why Pam Bondi didn't publish all the Epstein files in 30 days. The answer is simple.
It was not possible from the Wall Street Journal. Well said. Uh without objection, the gentle lady from Florida is recognized.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. May madam I'm sorry. May I respond 20 seconds to to something that Congresswoman Ross said?
Go right ahead. Thank you. She also opposed a sex offender registry as head of North Carolina ACLU. Thank you.
Thank you, Madam Attorney General. And I'd like to pick up where you left off a moment ago because we convene here today as a committee for the stated purpose of conducting oversight of the Department of Justice. And so, it's critical for us to focus first on the mission of the department and assess your success in discharging it. So the mission of the department is to enforce federal law, defend the rule of law, and protect the American people from violent crime, terrorism, drug trafficking, fraud, and exploitation to promote public safety.
And what we have heard today unequivocally is that President Trump's Department of Justice, under your leadership, Attorney General Bondi, is doing exactly that. Just a moment ago, you shared with us some incredible statistics that the United States under your leadership has achieved the lowest murder rate in 125 years. That in the first year of this administration, murder is down 21%. Robbery is down 23%, carjacking down 43%, and gun assault down 22%. That is what public safety looks like. Under your leadership and that of President Trump, you've located more than 6,000 child victims of trafficking and exploitation, arrested 1,700 child predators, and apprehended more than 300 human traffickers. Significant increases. And those aren't just statistics. Those are precious lives that your department and the men and women of federal law enforcement have saved.
Madam Attorney General, you've mentioned a couple of specific criminal trends during this hearing that I'd like to discuss with you further because one of our important roles in Congress is making sure that our laws and our law enforcement stay ahead of predators as technology evolves. I lead legislation in the House along with bipartisan co-sponsors on this committee to make sex extortion a clearly defined criminal offense. We actually passed that out of the House of Representatives. Uh, we have a bill to promote Operation Renewed Hope to help rescue more child victims and the Defiance Act to provide legal recourse to victims of deep fake AI intimate images. I would love to hear your perspective and what you are seeing related to these technology-based criminal trends, sexion and AI deep fakes. What are you seeing at the Department of Justice? And why do you believe that efforts to combat these
types of crimes are important? Sextorion. And thank you for supporting that, Congresswoman. I think that was a bipartisan effort. Actually, I think I think many of you on both sides of the aisle supported that. Thank you for that. you know, um, as a career prosecutor, it's horrible seeing that and seeing that that young women and and often young boys have been exploited with extortion and and I see thank you both sides of the aisle nodding on that. It it's it's it's horrific. The suicide rates go up. Um, and that's why we have to do everything in our power to protect not only young girls, adult women, boys and men from sextortion because it is happening and we're doing everything in our power thanks to your legislation, all of you, to stop that.
I'd like to hear a little bit more about some of the Department of Justice programs uh like Project Safe Childhood and the Internet Crimes Against Children Task Forces, partnerships that bring together federal, state, and local law enforcement. Uh sometimes the work between those those law enforcement groups together uh really creates some incredibly powerful income outcomes and some great success stories. I know you as Florida's attorney general had a tremendous amount of leadership in our state trying to make sure we were taking care of children. Uh also the elderly, protecting them from fraud, uh ending drug trafficking. Tell us a little bit about some of those departments within DOJ.
Yeah. When when you talked about um Project Safe Neighborhoods, we we've done a lot of that in Florida when I was state AG and actually back when I was a state prosecutor prior to being attorney general. Um, that is so important. I feel like what we've been doing in DC too with the take back DC and make DC safe again is similar to that. Going into the neighborhoods, working with the community, seeing law enforcement officers out there playing basketball with kids who live in the neighborhood. It's pretty remarkable what we've seen firsthand. Citizens in Memphis saying that they appreciate they can walk outdoors now and they feel safe. people coming up thanking law enforcement and working hand inand with them. We will continue um all of all of these programs and and working jointly with both sides of the aisle to to keep our families safe.
Thank you for that, Madam Attorney General. Mr. Chairman, I yield back. Lady, gentle lady yields back. Uh gentleman from Tennessee is recognized.
Thank you. I'd like to introduce for the record uh a letter a letter to Director Gabbard from uh Mr. Warner and uh and Mr. Heims and a letter of response from her to them about who invited her to Atlanta and a copy of the search warrant.
Uh and I'd also like to just make clear for the record the reason people in Memphis weren't going out was because the ice was on the was on the ground and we were afraid we'd fall. But other than that, we go out all the time.
Uh gentlemen, uh without objection, there's miss consent. The gentle lady from Vermont is recognized.
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Attorney General Bondi, according to your department, a child is sexually abused in the United States every nine minutes. And the vast majority of survivors never get justice. And that's one of the reasons why I think the Epstein case has resonated so deeply with so many Americans. And the other reason, I think, is because it has revealed a two-tiered system of justice and the powerful are protected and the survivors rarely get any accountability. And the Epstein files contain evidence of a multi-deade international criminal conspiracy involving some of the wealthiest and the most powerful people in the world. There's evidence of financial crimes, political corruption, sex trafficking, and of course, horrible sexual abuse. And I want to remind everybody, this isn't a game. These are real people. people who have suffered, who are sitting here with us today, and they deserve answers, and they deserve
accountability, and I'm here to try to get some for them. Now, I've seen some of the unredacted Epstein files, and obviously, as you know, President Trump's name is all over them, but so are the names of other senior Trump officials. Howard Lutnik, Secretary of Commerce, John Failen, the Secretary of the Navy, and Steven Fineberg, the Deputy Secretary of Defense. These men were appointed by President Trump to senior positions in his administration. All of them have clear and confirmed ties to Jeffrey Epstein. Attorney General Bondi, yes or no? Has the Justice Department asked Secretary Lutnik about his ties to Epstein?
Excuse me. Secretary Lutnik um has addressed those ties himself. I'm asking you, has the Justice Department specifically asked Secretary Lutnik about his ties to Jeffrey Epstein?
He has addressed those ties himself. Has the DOJ asked Secretary Failen about his ties to Jeffrey Epstein?
I don't know whether he has addressed those or not. Has the deputy um sec has deputy secretary Fineberg talked to the Department of Justice about his ties to Jeffrey Epstein? Yes or no? Has the Department of Justice talked to Secretary, Deputy Secretary Fineberg about his ties to Jeffrey Epstein, which are clearly spelled out in the files. It's a very simple question. It's not a trick question. I'm just asking you.
Yeah. I'm stunned that you want to continue talking about Oh my gosh. My time. I'm asking you not a trick question, a simple question.
Okay. So, what is clear is we have evidence. Do you know who Chris Men is? Senior. We have evidence that three senior officials within the Trump administration have ties to Jeffrey Epstein. And what I ties mean
I can conclude from what you are saying that you have not talked to them. What does ties mean?
I think Americans would be shocked to learn that you are not interested in talking with these officials who have ties to Jeffrey Epste. Across the world, dominant men who've been exposed in the files have resigned their jobs in disgrace and that's a good first start. And that same standard not saying the word same standard should apply here and Americans want accountability.
Who is Chris M? Was the president aware? Please stop talking. It is not your time to ask questions. It is not your time. I'm reclaiming my time, Mr. Chair. One second. belongs time belongs to the gentle from Vermont.
Was the president aware of Secretary Lutnik's ties to Epstein when he chose him to lead the Department of of Commerce?
Was he aware? Chris Men was a border patrol agent. Okay. So, I'm going to conclude that the president in fact did know about his ties because he was the next door neighbor.
Shame on you. Oh, for goodness sakes. This is pathetic. This is pathetic. Mr. Chair will be in order. I am not asking trick questions here.
The American people have a right to know the answers to this. These are senior officials in the Trump administration. This is not a game. Secretary,
I'm attorney general. My apologies. I couldn't tell. By 2008, we knew that Epstein was a convicted sexual abuser. And we now know that Lutnik went to Epstein's Island in 2012. How was that not a dealbreaker for the president? And why aren't you asking questions of the commerce secretary about what he saw when he was at the island which he lied about not ever going to? Why are you not asking these questions? And I see that my time is almost expired. So I will say this, do the right thing, Attorney General. Meet with the survivors. They have been asking for a year. Meet with the survivors. Do the right thing. I yield back.
Gentle lady yields back. The gentleman from South Carolina is recognized for 5 minutes.
May I have 20 seconds of his time? That'd be up to the gentleman. But uh absolutely, madam.
Thank you. Thank you. Um I I was curious if you congresswoman um asked Bill Clinton that. Um didn't hear didn't see one tweet. Not one. I didn't see one tweet when Joe Biden was in office about Bill Clinton. Um, didn't ask Merrick Garland anything about Epstein, not once when he was.
And also, I want the record to reflect that, you know, with this anti-semitic culture right now, she voted against a resolution condemning. I just want to be clear.
Do you want to go there, Attorney General? Or do you want to go there? Are you serious talking about anti-semitism to a WOMAN WHO LOST HER GRANDFATHER IN THE HOLOCAUST?
My time really. The committee will be in order. Talk to Jared Wise about anti-semitism.
The ranking member knows that. I'm going to Can I get like 30 seconds back? You know,
balance took the whole committee knows. I've been very generous. Making sure are five minutes in the
general. I'm going to talk about sanctuary cities for a second, which uh limit the federal government's ability to enforce immigration law. Uh they're kind of a new thing that Democrat jurisdictions are doing. Uh they're in violation of federal law. During President Trump's first term, he rightly targeted sanctuary jurisdictions to try to force them to cooperate with federal immigration law. federal immigration law, mind you, that was voted on in 1996, most recently, in a bipartisan Congress, signed by a Democrat president, but they are in violation of that law.
These states and jurisdictions uh feel entitled to certain grants. Of course, y'all are combating that. Um, do sanctuary policies limit the federal government's ability to accurately estimate how many criminal legals are in the country?
Yes. Thank you. This means that the number of legals could be higher, probably higher. Uh, does this hurt the federal government's ability to carry out immigration laws designed by Congress?
Yes. Congressman, uh, in your opinion, do you believe that the Biden Harris administration and Democrat pro-sanctuary policies make our community safer? And uh, for the American taxpayer, do they make do sanctuary policies make our communities safer?
No. Congressman, uh, I want to do a brief, uh, video to highlight sanctuary cities. So, what's strange to me, if you look at this board behind me, in New York, uh there are 7,000 criminal legal aliens since January 20th of last year, uh that have been released into the public because New York is not honoring detainers requested by ICE. Uh California similarly, has released 4,500 criminal legal aliens. Uh there are 33,000 under detainer in California alone. And of the of the people released, I just think I think it's remarkable that those released in New York, 29 homicides, 200 assaults, almost 200 burglaries. These are people that are released into our community by these states that refuse to cooperate.
Last August, Michael Jordan Castellano uh Fonka, a criminal illegal alien with ties to Trend Trende shot two people in front of five children in the sanctuary state of Colorado. DHS lodged a detainer on him. He's awaiting trial, but the question is whether Colorado sanctuary policies will prevent him from being removed from the country. Yes or no? Do you think that sanctuary jurisdictions, if they cooperated with ICE, those illegals in custody could be transferred to ICE properly instead of being held in taxpayer funded jails and then released into our community?
Yes, Congressman, wouldn't it be more efficient and safer then if Democrats simply cooperated with the federal government, these sanctuary jurisdictions cooperated with the federal government and honored ICE detainers? And why? Why do you think? Of course, because so many criminals are running to sanctuary jurisdictions. Many of your colleagues across the aisle who we've seen speaking today about Epstein don't want to talk about the illegal criminals in their own jurisdiction for that reason. And yes, we need to do everything we can to work together to make America safer. And they're not doing that.
This is not a partisan issue. People want to feel safe in their communities. Nobody wants a criminal legal alien released into the street. I think that the thing that maybe the American people don't quite understand is that when you do not honor a detainer, as we've seen, an illegal is released into the public and now it's up to ICE to maybe apprehend them
rather than behind the courtroom passing them off from one law enforcement to the next. Is that true?
Absolutely. What do you think the what do you think what what is the Department of Justice doing right now to combat sanctuary policies in our country? [snorts]
We're doing everything in our power obviously to combat that. Donald Trump is doing everything he can because we are going to make America safe. We are going to get illegal criminal aliens out of this country. We're going to get the gangs out. TDA, MS13, all of the gangs in this country. We're going to get the drug dealers out and the drugs. And that's what we've been fighting to do. And I wish we could do it on a bipartisan basis, but they just can't do it.
And the decrease in numbers speak for themselves. Thank you for your work. Gentlemen's time. Mr.
Chair, we have some UC's if that's okay. That is okay. Okay, Mr. Con. Thank you. U on the National Institute of Justice's study on undocumented immigrants having an offender rate lower than US-born citizens. Like to enter this in the record from 2024.
Without objection. And I have several myself, Mr. Chairman. Um, the Guardian. Um, [clears throat] January 26, 2026. Why is Trump granting clemency to convicted fraudsters?
Objection. January 20, 2026. NBC. Trump's pardons forgive financial crimes that came with hundreds of millions of dollars in punishment.
Objection. Uh, Washington Post, December 19, 2025. Trump's pardons wipe out payments to defrauded victims.
Without objection. And um, finally, May 30th, 2024, Trump found guilty by Manhattan jury on 34 felony counts of fraud. Without objection, gentleman from Illinois is recognized.
Thank you, uh, Chairman, Attorney General Bondi. Glad you finally made it here after hiding for four months from this committee. I understand why you're hiding from us.
You're one of the worst attorney generals in our history and an instrument of Donald Trump's lawless authoritarian agenda. And I'm glad the American people are seeing who you are, how you act, and the lack of good values. You weaponize the Department of Justice to target immigrants, working families, and anyone that Trump deems an enemy of the state. All to protect real powerful criminals, including in your administration. My Democratic colleagues have focused on your cover up of the Epstein files and your passion for protecting pedophiles and child traffickers. That alone is grounds for impeachment. But there's so much more to your corrupt tenure as attorney general.
You directed prosecutors to investigate elected officials in welcoming jurisdictions, and you got thrown out of court when you sued Chicago, Cook County, and Illinois. You directed prosecutors to prioritize low-level immigration cases while gutting enforcement against corporate criminals and public corruption. You revived draconian 1798 which should be repealed to illegally send people to a torture prison in El Salvador. You fired over a 100 immigration judges, including the assistant chief immigration judge in Chicago without cause and installed unqualified military judges whom you instructed to deny asylum in violation of the law. You prosecute the president's enemies like Jim Comey and Tish James while giving impunity to federal agents who are murdering and brutalizing and terrorizing constituents including in Chicago land in my neighborhood. I saw it last year firsthand.
You and Cash Patel covered up the murder of Sylveas Gonzalez in my district by ICE agents. You tried to investigate Renee Good instead of the ICE agent who murdered her. And you tried to cover up the murder of Alex Prey by CBP agents. You bring fake charges against protesters like the Broadview 6 and Marimar Martinez whom your administration labeled a domestic terrorist. This is the monastery teacher who lives in my district while protecting thugs who terrorize us and DHS authority. That's what you do. Protect and enable the criminals who are plundering our society and destroying what's left of democracy and the rule of law. Epstein accompllices, mass DHS thugs, corporate criminals, Tom Hman, Eric Adams, insurrectionists, the list goes on. And you talk about fighting crime, but you protect any criminal who helps you and Trump turn our country into an authoritarian gangster state. And after all this,
nobody supports you. I'm talking about I'm not talking about Democrats. I'm talking about conservative judges who are condemning the rampant lawlessness at DOJ under your leadership. Your prosecutors are qu quitting in droves over being forced to prosecute low-level immigration cases, including in Chicagoland. Your MAGA base despises you because you're covering up the Epstein file. How ironic. And even your own boss has repeatedly complained to your staff about you, calling you weak and ineffective. Weak and ineffective.
That's what Donald Trump thinks of you already. You will not win. However, Chicago land rejects you. The American people reject you. Our communities have demonstrated our strength and resilience in the face of cruelty and cowardice. Democrats must impeach and remove lawless officials like you and Christine Gnome and impose accountability for every criminal action. But you can spare yourself more humiliation. Resign now and submit yourself to accountability by the American people. Mr. Chairman, before I yield back, I ask unanimous consent to submit for the record this Wall Street Journal article dated January 12th, 2026 and titled Trump has complained about Pam Bandi repeatedly to AIDS. Thank you and I yield back.
Objection. Gentleman yields back. The gentleman from Texas is recognized. I thank the chairman.
May I have 20 seconds, please? Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Let's hear the opposition research.
Thank you. That's absolutely right that they're not running for um he's not running for office again because well I don't know why you're not running for office again but after the filing deadline after the filing deadline you publicly announced you would not run when your chief of staff Patty Garcia announced and took your seat
that's a state matter that isn't a federal matter you should investigate crimes you should investigate violations Texas. The time belongs to the gentleman from Texas.
A little flexibility on the time. I appreciate the chairman. Um, Madame Attorney General, am I correct that under your leadership, the Department of Justice has prosecuted cases of non-citizen voting? So, it's false as some of my Democratic colleagues have claimed that it doesn't happen.
Yes. I asked that today because we're voting on the Save America Act today to enact common sense policies to ensure only American citizens vote in American elections and and uh enact federal voter ID laws. But it's true, for example, that in just this month, a federal grand jury in New York indicted two men with illegally voting in federal election and making false statements. Muhammad Mazaml and Muhammad Shaquille were non-citizens at the time they registered to vote. This happens. It happens regularly and you're prosecuting those crimes.
Correct. Yes. But does that prosecution of those criminals overturn their previously cast votes?
That's all pending. But it does not overturn votes that they've cast, right? So passing the same would help deal with that problem.
Yes, congressman. Second question. As attorney general, you're in charge of the executive office of immigration review. Correct.
Yes, congressman. The Biden Morgus regime caused immigration court case backlog to explode. Correct.
Explode. Does that sound about right that in September of 2020, four months before President Biden took office, there was a backlog of 1.5 million cases, but by the time President Biden left office, the backlog reached nearly 4.2 million cases?
I It sounds about right, but I don't have the exact numbers. Um, it would be accurate to say that most individuals who file for asylum have a meritless or fraudulent claim.
Most I don't have the numbers. Oh. So, does it sound correct that of the asylum cases adjudicated in FY2023 under the Biden regime that only 14% resulted in asylum grant and only 12% in fiscal year 2024? Does that sound correct?
It sounds correct. I don't I'm sorry I don't have the numbers. Could you get that information to us to verify that?
I'll get all that information to you. Um, under the Trump administration, immigration judges complete an average of 65,000 cases per month, the highest average completion rate in at least a decade. Does that sound correct?
That sounds correct. Miss Monti, how many new cases under EOIR received in fiscal year 2025 have have you all had? And of those, what percentage have been granted asylum? Do you know?
I can try to get you those numbers. I thought I had those. That'd be great. Um because I'm my question is whether President Trump's decision to pause asylum in the wake of the shooting of a National Guardsman by an Afghani here in Washington DC in the nation's capital helped to stop the backlog in your office. Does that sound correct?
Yes, Congressman. My point being that the leadership of this administration is ending the backlog, reducing the backlog, making sure that we don't have fraudulent asylum claims clogging it, and keeping Americans safe. Is that correct?
Yes, Congressman. So, a couple other quick questions on another important topic um that has been raised by both colleagues on both sides of the aisle with respect to the Epstein case. A few questions. One, Jeffrey Epste was charged in July 2019 for sex trafficking under the Trump administration in his first term. Is that correct?
Yes, Congressman. And that Gelain Maxwell was charged in 2020, also under the Trump administration. Correct?
Yes, Congressman. So, it is safe to say that the the administration led on that issue and that there was silence in the previous administration. Is that correct?
Yes, Congressman, almost complete silence from everyone who's been trying to still talk about Epstein. They didn't say a word under the Biden administration. Nothing.
And I I want to make one other point and then another question that is that is important. I want to make one observation that is that we've heard that the information today which is troubling that Jane Doe's that victim's information was made public and was unredacted in the files that were released on Friday. So my question is some of us had argued when we were dealing with the discharge petition in Congress that when Congress inserted itself into the process that we needed to be very careful to ensure that we were protecting victims. So, a question that is both I just want to make that clear that some of us were fighting for that here and we didn't get a chance to amend it or change it. So, that was concerning. But a question a little more pointed I have to say is why though were the victim's names released that shouldn't have been that there were names in the files that these Jane Doe's
that their names shouldn't have been made public when there were some accusers whose names were redacted. That's question one. And question two was that Gelain Maxwell was put in jail for trafficking minors. Rightly so, and you properly said here at this table, you hope she dies in jail. Well, I want to know, will anyone besides her or Epstein, which I congratulate President Trump's previous administration and this Department of Justice for continuing all of that, but that they were indicted, but will anyone else be indicted and prosecuted under this given the information that's in front of us? So, two questions.
Thank you for letting me answer that. They didn't want to hear my answer on the other side. Um, yes, given the the tight time frame of 30 days, I believe we got everything released within a little over 60 days. I'm talking as fast as I can. My time is up. We did the best we could immediately. If if everyone's been coming to view the documents. If someone's name should not have been redacted, we're releasing it. If someone's name was redacted, we said right away was not redacted and should have been meaning a victim. We went back and redacted it. Um, we're doing everything we can based on the t tight time frame and over three million pages that we released that Donald Trump signed for pure transparency.
Second, uh, what was your second question about whether an another individual will be indicted?
Absolutely. Thank you for asking that. And they they never wanted to hear the answer to that. We have pending investigations in our office. Time the gentleman has expired. Unanimous consent request from the gentleman from Pennsylvania.
Thank you. I have uh several UC's receipts. Um the I'd like to have unanimous consent to introduce the National Security Presidential Memorandum 7 dated September 25th, 25.
Objection. The Bondi Department of Justice memo dated uh December 4th, 2025. Objection. An article from Newsweek entitled DOJ deletes study alleging rise in far-right terrorism dated September 18th 2025.
Without objection. Uh notice article from October 3rd, 2025. Trump's directive on organized political violence could lead to increased surveillance of his critics.
Without objection. Washington Post article, September 25th, 2025. Trump targets domestic terrorist terrorists but only mentions the radical left.
Without objection. Uh, Idaho Capital Sun, October 18th, 2025. Rest easy Idahoans. The No King demonstrators are American patriots.
Without objection. Uh, attacks on freedom of speech. What nonprofits need to know, published by the National Council of Nonprofits, the largest network of nonprofits in America.
Without objection. The Freedom from Religious Foundation warns that Bondi memo weaponizes federal law enforcement against non-Christians and dissenting viewpoints.
Without objection. A Ken Clippernstein blog from January 28th, 26. ISIS secret watch lists of Americans.
Without objection. And an inter intercept article from February 2nd, 26. Trump calls his enemies terrorists. Does that mean he can kill them?
Without objection. Uh, the gentleman from Florida is recognized. Uh, thank you, Mr. Chairman. Uh, good morning, Attorney General Bondi.
Good afternoon. Good. Oh, you're right. Good afternoon. It's been a long day. Uh, I wrote this this morning. U we've known each other a long time. Uh and I'll always be appreciative for your assistance when you were attorney general in Florida after the shooting at my high school at Marjorie Stoman Douglas uh in my hometown of Parkland when we passed a bipartisan uh bill, the Marjorie Stoman Douglas School Safety Act, which was the largest policy response to a school shooting uh in American history. You your department also prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law constituent of mine and former felon that had plans to kill me when he was picked up by law enforcement after he was target practicing in his backyard with two rifles, a scope, a silencer, three 3,000 rounds of ammunition and anti-semitic manifesto. My name was the only name on their target list and my kids found out about this from their friends at school.
So, thank you. However, the most transparent administration in American history. Before Trump, we didn't know the word transparency. Apparently, it's been 12 months since you gave Republican influencers part one of the Epstein files. You said the list was on your desk. Then a memo came out and said that there was no list. Phase two of the binders never happened. The president of United States says the Epstein thing is a hoax. He blasts his own base for wanting the release of the files. He blamed Barack Obama. Republicans voted against the release of the files in the rules committee. Then they refused to even return to the rules committee until they could be protected from future votes on the release.
Speaker Johnson sends Congress home a day early before break. They sent the deputy attorney general to meet with Maxwell. She says something favorable about the president. Miraculously, she gets transferred to a minimum security facility. No one can explain why. Miraculously, the leaks to the Wall Street Journal stop. We come back from break. We have the Massie discharge petition, Republicans drop a rule, a non-binding resolution trying to kill the Massie discharge petition. The White House says passing the Massie discharge petition is a hostile act. Trying to stop the necessary 218 signatures, according to Republican members that signed it, the White House brought them into the situation room. You know, the place where the president goes for time of war, promising things like appropriations or maybe even to primary them. People in the room say, "You were there." It didn't work. We get the 218
signatures. We eventually passed the Massie petition. You guys didn't release the files. You were forced by the by Congress, every member of the House except one and the entire Senate. The reason the president signed it is because it was a veto proof majority. We can't agree on anything. And yet the entire house but one member and the whole Senate forced the administration to release the files. Cash Patel under oath said Sen to Senator Kennedy, "The FBI is not in possession of any credible evidence that Epstein traffked girls to anyone but himself." We know now that's not true. According to documents, Epstein had a worldwide sex trafficking ring. Girls from Poland, Czechoslovakia, Russia, Paris, modeling agencies sending him girls. He even had a relationship with a summer camp where he groomed girls at a picnic table. Glain Maxwell says 29 Epstein associates cut secret DOJ deals. Turns out there is a list.
Six names readily available if you unredact them. Co-conspirators named but we got them when you unredact them. Maxwell recently tells a house oversight committee that she wants clemency to re release more names. Cash Patel under o said Trump's name appears less than a 100 times in the files. We now know that's not true. Trump's name appears more times in the Epstein files than God's name appears in the book about God. Okay, by the way, this is the Trump Bible. Move over King James. Trump's name also appears more times in the Epstein file than Harry Potter's name appears in the seven books about Harry Potter. Lutnik says that in 2008 he went to Epstein's home, says he had a massage table in the living room, that Epstein said he got one every day, that it was the right type of massage. He and his wife decide to leave and say they'll never be in a room with him again.
Howard then says, "I'm sure the Epstein stuff is all on video. He was the greatest black mailer of all time." Well, how would Howard know that? But now the fires are public. And in 2012, we find out that he and his family are on Epstein Island after after after Epstein plead guilty to state charges. I'm from Florida. I take my family to Disney World, not to Epstein Island. There are documents in the files that dispute the president's claim that he kicked Epste out of his club. Allegedly, the president said Epstein that he asked Epstein to leave. Supported. Now, that that's disputed though by statements uh from the manager of the club. Now, Madam Attorney General, I have like 25 seconds left. So, because I'm curious, uh, and I I just I'd like to see you flip to the Jared Moscowitz section of the binder.
I'm interested to see what staff provided on the on the oppo on me. And because we're in the Olympics, I'm going to give it a grade. I just want to see how how how good it is. So, give me your best one.
So, first of all, nothing is funny about mocking the Bible and holding up a child Bible. That's what you did. You made a joke and I find offensive. That's all I have to say.
I want it from the burnbook. I want it from the burnber book. Which is the best one? What you got?
Has expired. The gentleman from Wisconsin is recognized. Thank you. First of all, I'd like to clear something up that was said earlier and is frequently said and is manifestly not true. Uh and that is the supposed small number of crimes committed by immigrants or illegal immigrants in the country. um that has been um based on a poorly done study by the Kato Institute and I believe the Kato Institute itself has even updated that study. The the the reason um that we know that study is not true is that those statistics are not out there. For whatever reason, when somebody is arrested, even for very serious crimes, we do not have on the paperwork whether that person is a legal or illegal immigrant. Okay? If I go to one of my local sheriffs in Wisconsin and ask them how many illegal immigrants in your jail, they will say, "I have no idea. We don't keep track of that." When I tour the federal prison rights out
outside of my district that I ask them in this federal prison, how many of your inmates are illegal aliens? They will tell me, "We have no idea. We don't keep track of that." So, whenever you hear a Democrat or anybody or a pundit uh say that, "Oh, there's so few illegals committing crimes," it is based on nothing because those statistics are not available anywhere. What I would offer in the next round of appropriation bills, if one of my Democrat colleagues wants to help me out, perhaps in appropriations, we can get funds to add to all the paperwork uh whenever anybody is convicted of a crime as to whether or not they are citizen or non-citizen and then we will have the statistics. But otherwise, whenever you hear somebody say on MSNBC or wherever, "Oh, so few crimes are committed by illegal immigrants," they don't know what they're talking about cuz nobody has those numbers. Okay, there's the first
thing. Now the next thing I want to point out um we have had what I think is an unprecedented um situation in Minnesota in which they are not assisting ICE in dealing with uh crimes that are going on up there. In other words, ICE is left to its own devices. When I talk to my local sheriffs, they tell me that whenever a federal agency is engaged in work in Wisconsin, they always make themselves available in case that federal agency needs assistance. This could be something like D like ICE under uh DEI uh DI. It could be D uh drug enforcement. It could be ATF. It could be FBI. It could be Secret Service. It could be the US Marshal.
Nobody that I have been able to find, any sheriff in the state of Wisconsin is aware of any circumstances in which they did not make themselves available to federal law enforcement either if they need somebody extra to do surveillance to just park a marked car outside the area to assist in uh apprehension of a criminal if they need a distance uh assistance with an additional SWAT team. uh if they need to transport somebody, local law enforcement is always there. Now, you are not in charge of ICE, but you're in charge of several other agencies. Have you ever heard of anything like what's going on in Minnesota where the uh the governor or the local mayor refuses to give assistance to federal law enforcement?
I have in Portland and some other cities um where where they weren't cooperating. But as I said, I spent about four day I did spend four days in um in Minnesota and I believe many of the local law enforcement wish they could work with us to make their city safe.
Okay. Now, uh we'll we'll switch to something else. And first of all, I'd like to thank you for doing this today. You're obviously very bright, obviously very confident, and something I love. you you you uh you tolerate fools gladly. So, I appreciate that trait. Um you you suffer fools gladly. Um in hearings like this, we often focus on new initiatives undertaken by the department. Today, I'd like to give you an opportunity to discuss actions implemented under the Biden administration's Department of Justice, such as the foreign influence task force that you have since terminated. And you know, it's always rare to see uh uh anything in the government terminated, but could you elaborate on those decisions and highlight the accomplishments of your tenure at justice?
Thank you for asking that. Um we are out of time, but may I answer? Um chairman,
go ahead. Thank you. Um [clears throat] the Biden administration weaponized um the Foreign Corruption Practices Act and on February 10th, President Trump issued an executive order pausing that for a DOJ review. Um, under Deputy Attorney General Blanch's supervision, a comprehensive review was led and um, the department issued new guidelines protecting all Americans. Um, and protecting against the weaponization that happened under the Biden administration. Time. The gentleman has expired. Gentleman yields back. Gentleman from New York recognized.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Miss Bondi, I went over to the department yesterday for a couple of hours to review some of the unredacted materials and I am looking forward to your detailed explanation for why you have withheld almost half of the documents which is required by the bill.
Now, obviously there are 3 million documents, so I didn't get through much. But one thing I didn't see was the client list that you said you had on your desk a year ago. I did however find a couple of important documents. An 86page prosecution memo from the Southern District of New York and a draft indictment from Florida against Jeffrey Epstein's co-conspirators. For reasons that I cannot understand nor are permitted by the bill, they were still redacted even for members of Congress. So, Miss Bondi, will you commit right here to immediately providing those two documents in unredacted form to members of Congress?
Not a not a complicated question. Uh, well, I I I guess it is for you because you have a law degree and those are privileged.
Okay. They're they're not privileged, but we will discuss that later. I also found an email that I have right here. from Jeffrey Epstein to Gain Maxwell that was unredacted and it included notes of statements that Donald Trump made about his prior relationship with Jeffrey Epstein. Now, there is no reason for this to be hidden from the American people. There is no privilege. There is no attorney client privilege. And I see you're checking with your staff. And I can assure you staff, this is not under attorney client privilege because it was sent from Jeffrey Epstein to Gileain Maxwell.
Will you commit to publicly providing the unredacted version of this so that the American people can understand the extent of Donald Trump's lies about his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein?
You're about as good of a lawyer today as you were when you tried to impeach President Trump in 2016. Have you apologized for that in 2019?
So, are will you apologize? Will you unredact this? Will you lead counsel on that? Privileged.
I'm asking you, will you unredact this? Privileged. Privileged. Of course. I look forward to discussing this more. Now, these are obviously improper redactions.
And let me stop. I'm I'm talking I'm not privileged. Quiet. Don't yell at me if they're not. Mr.
Chairman, would you stop the clock? This is on your time. It's not on Mr. Even though you used your improper reduction, you'll like my answer
to continue to protect belongs to the member. Be happy to release them. We'll stop the clock. We'll stop the clock. Time belongs to the member. Go ahead.
Even though you used improper redactions to protect Donald Trump and other predators associated with Jeffrey Epstein, you did the exact opposite thing with the survivors and victims of this scheme. So their identification information was really the only thing required to be redacted and it was not and it's clear this was not a mistake. This was not by accident. This was not because you only had 30 days when you really used 75 and that doesn't even include all the hours last March that you were redacting it. But I'll tell you why it's clear it wasn't a mistake.
There is an email entitled Epstein victim list. There are 32 names. One is redacted, 31 are not. So, someone looked at it and decided to redact something. And I will tell you that that is clearly intentional to intimidate these survivors and victims. Now, in a interview last week,
how will you tell me that's intentional? In an interview in an interview last week, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch,
you can't go off script, said that any victim that wants to speak with the department has done so hopefully. Well, thanks to the incredibly brave people sitting here behind you, we can actually ask them if that's true. Now, with the survivors and victims who are here, please stand up one more time. Just by show of hands, how many of you or your loved ones actually [snorts] have met with the Department of Justice and provided testimony and estimate and uh evidence? None. And of those of you who have not met, which is everyone, how many of you have reached out either individually or through a lawyer or representative to offer to provide testimony and evidence?
All of them. And of those you of you all of you who have reached out, how many of you were denied or ignored by the Department of Justice? All of them. And despite the shameful and despicable efforts by Miss Bondi and her department to intimidate you, how many of you are still willing to speak to the Department of Justice? All of them. Well, Miss Bondi, it looks like you have some more witness
and I yield back. We will go to the good gentleman from North Carolina, Congressman KN. Thank you.
May I have a moment, Congressman? Yes, ma'am. Thank you. Here we go. Here's the photograph. This is why he wanted to repeat everything that had been said previously on Epstein. This is his state, New York. You probably don't even know who this is. Wahed Muhammad from Afghanistan.
Yes, because I'm no longer a prosecutor. Convicted of assault. Wow. He represents New York. Wow. Yet he doesn't care about the illegal aliens convicted of crimes. Assault and homicide. No longer a prosecutor, so he doesn't care about his constituents. Here we go. Arson El Salvador. Miguel Palacios. [snorts] Ferman Flores Ramales. Mexico. Rape. Let's talk about the 70% of immigrants who are detained without a criminal conviction or arrest.
Stop the clock. Stop the clock. Time belongs to Congressman. Knot. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Madam Attorney General, I want to be sure that the American people understand exactly what we're referring to when we talk about sanctuary policies. They are often framed in sort of innocuous terms like we refuse to take part in immigration law. And when you add up all of the population represented by these cowardly politicians in sanctuary jurisdictions, whether it's a county, city, or state, sanctuary jurisdictions account for roughly 40% of the United States. Now, in reality, it's much more than just a passive exercise. Is that not correct?
Yes. It's unbelievably active. And in terms of breaking down these terms, I want to break it down as clearly a term as I can. What is a federal detainer for the American people? Please describe it.
A federal detainer is is when someone is held in federal custody. Yes. And when a federal detainer is issued to local law enforcement, they are obviously in local or state custody. Correct.
Yes. And federal officers take note of that apprehension and they say, "We want to come and apprehend him or her to deport them." Isn't that correct?
Yes. And in these sanctuary jurisdictions, whether it's California, Illinois, New York, or other places, even in North Carolina, there are sanctuary jurisdictions. That federal detainer often prompts not any cooperation, not any assistance, but a release onto the streets. Isn't that correct?
Yeah. And Congressman, a federal detainer is federal law. Yes. That people must abide by. Yet these jurisdictions, many of these jurisdictions are not abiding by that. And we hear a lot of talk from the other side about victims, about victims of violent crime, sex crimes, murders, whatever it may be. But I want to be very clear, illegal aliens who have been arrested for committing some of the most heinous crimes, they have been released by sanctuary cities, by sanctuary states, rather than being turned over to the federal government for deportation.
Isn't that correct? It is. And it's um it's sad for all Americans that that any jurisdiction would do that. These are some of the most violent criminals I think we've all seen.
Yes. And despite their best efforts to obstruct you and the president in making us all safer, I just want to go through a quick list again of the accomplishments that you have um been in part responsible for achieving. True or false? The country now has the lowest murder rate in 125 years.
Yes. True or false? 62 major cities are now reporting rapid decline in murder rates.
Yes. True or false? Robberies are down nearly 20% over the last year. Yes. True or false? Violent crime is down almost 15% over the past year.
Yes. True or false? Right here in Washington DC, violent crime is down almost 30% since President Trump took office.
Yes. And the number may be even better than that, but yes. Good. Yes. True or false? The DEA has seized over 200,000 kilograms of cocaine since President Trump took office. I believe so. And um 200 hold 78,500 kilos of meth and more than 260,000 kilos of cocaine.
Unbelievable. That's lives saved every day for all of us, for families, for children.
And then true or false, the Department of Justice under your leadership has a 92% success rate at the Supreme Court.
I believe so. Or ballpark. Ballpark. And then true or false, this administration is attacking the waste, fraud, and abuse that we have seen in places like Minnesota that is removing billions of hard-earned tax dollars from this country.
Absolutely. And President Trump is committed to doing that in every city in this country. And Madame Attorney General, just to be very brief here, I want to be sure that you know that many on this committee made very serious efforts to try to amend the Epstein petition to give you the resources and the time to protect victims, to go through and to have the the the necessary runway to thoroughly go through that file. Unfortunately, those requests were met with refusal and we were unable to make the necessary amendments. But thank you for being here today.
Thank you. Good gentleman yields. The good gentleman yields back. Uh we turn to the good lady from California, Congresswoman Klager Dove.
Thank you, Mr. Chair, and thank you, Attorney General, for being here today. I want to talk with you about an issue on which there is broad bipartisan agreement, the importance of ensuring trust between the American public and those government officials who wield powerful law enforcement responsibilities. So, attorney general, would you agree that it is important for law enforcement leaders to be honest?
Of course. As well as members of Congress. Thank you. And would you include yourself as a law enforcement leader?
Of course. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. You know, President Trump has also uh well, he has referred to himself as the chief law enforcement officer of this country. So, do you believe that President Trump is honest?
He is the commander and chief of the United States of America. And not only is he keeping this country safe, he is keeping this world safe. It's a simple question.
Of course, I do. He is the commander and chief. Last June, Minnesota lawmaker Melissa Hortman, her husband Mark, and their dog were brutally murdered in their home. And your USA's office in Minnesota investigated this crime and obtained a sixcount indictment of the murder suspect, stating that he had intent to kill, injury, harass, and intimidate Minnesota legislators. And I have the copyright here. I read through it. Yet a few weeks ago, President Trump suggested publicly that Minnesota Governor Tim Walsh was behind these murders, posting on his Truth Social account a video raising this conspiracy theory. And it wasn't true. And you know it wasn't true. Or else you would not have brought an indictment against the subject. Do you know what else Trump has said? He has said he has cut gas prices by 1,400%.
False. That he won the 2020 election. Actually, gas is down to a $1.99 a gallon. Thanks to
that he didn't know Epstein. Maybe $5 in California. It's my time, Mr. Chair. That he sent water to LA during the wildfires. False. That Governor Wesmore of Maryland called him the greatest president of his lifetime. False. So many tales, too many to keep up. But I want to go back to what he said about Tim Walsh. Do you agree that President Trump undermined public trust in law enforcement by suggesting that Governor Walsh was involved in the Hortman murders?
I am not familiar with that statement. Well, that is a disappointing response and it is also why your office and Donald Trump have zero credibility because I know and you know it was a right-wing extremist who murdered the Hortman's and you and the president are being dishonest with the American people. Last fall, after the horrific shooting of Charlie Kirk, President Trump was asked if there were extremists on both the left and the right. and his exact words were, "I'll tell you something that's going to get me in trouble, but I couldn't care less. The radicals on the right oftentimes are radical because they don't want to see crime. The radicals on the left are the problem, and they're vicious and they're horrible and they're politically savvy.
Do you agree with this statement? You're taking too long, madame attorney general, but you know the answer because your own department has addressed the question. In 24, the DOJ's research arm issued a report on domestic terrorism stating that the far number of far-right attacks continues to outpace all other types of terrorism and domestic violence extremist. The DOJ published their report and after the president made those comments, the DOJ took the report down and I sent you a letter asking you a simple question. Why did the dust justice department remove the data that shows rightwing extremists have killed more innocent people than leftwing extremists?
Did you refer to immigration enforcement as domestic terrorism? You should answer my question. You're on my time. But you won't. And what I am asking you to do is put the report back. Restore the data. Stop scrubbing important data from your website. Stop taking down reports that you know the American people need to know about. There are violent, dangerous people out here with real threats. And the danger from your agency comes from the covering up of these threats that could hurt American people and put our lives at rest. Do better. And with that, I yield back. Mr.
G yields back. The gentleman from North Carolina is recognized. May [clears throat] I have one moment?
You may. Her district includes Culver City and she's not talking about any crime in her districts. Nothing about helping crime in her district. She's not even worth getting into the details.
Well, thank you, Madam Attorney General, and we are grateful to have you here today and let me just say that um you've shown great perseverance today and I think you're coming to the last lap here of those of us that are left, but I applaud your strength and I applaud your resolve. Um, Madam Attorney General, as a pastor for over 37 years now, I take serious issue with any attempts by agitators to disrupt church services or activities at houses of worship. And I just want to take a moment to clarify some things. I realize you can't talk about pending cases per se, but I do want to ask some very general questions for clarification. Does the DOJ consider unauthorized entry into a house of worship to be protected activity under the First Amendment when undertaken by a member of the press?
Unauthorized with the intent of Unauthorized with the intent of disrupting. Yes.
Okay. Even if it's a blogger like Don Lumen. Correct. How does the DOJ distinguish between news gathering activity and expressive or protest conduct when a press defense is asserted? Congressman, I I met with the pastor of that church and what happened there um was horrific. Of course, the press is welcome and I would hope all houses of worship, whether it's a synagogue, whether it's a church, any house of worship. Um, however, what happened here, it's a pending case again, but within the four corners of the indictment, um, they were quote gearing up for a resistance.
They entered a house of worship. And I think the video speaks for itself. Um what happened in there, what the video doesn't show is there were approximately 400 parishioners in there on a Sunday morning.
Families um grandparents with canes, children upstairs in in um Sunday school who were their parents were blocked from getting to them once this resistance took place. And they had named it Operation Pullup. I've um it was heartbreaking for those families. They were terrified. I think they've all said that and u nothing like that should happen in this country and under my watch it won't. Thank you. And and just to clarify, accosting members of a congregation and creating a scene marked by intimidation and threat inside a house of worship would not be protected first amendment activity. Correct.
Absolutely not. And a grand jury has indicted individuals over that. Thank you. One other question just shifting a little bit. Um, you know, my home state of North Carolina has been making national headlines at times, particularly in the city of Charlotte. We've made pleas uh for our governor to get involved, bring in the National Guard. Our uh Fraternal Order of Police had pointed out that we were about 270 local cops below what we needed in order to adequately police the city. And yet the governor's declined to offer to partner with the federal government to bring in reinforcements to Charlotte. I want to give you just a few moments, really the balance of my time, to explain the impact that Memphis Safe Task Force has had on crime and safety in Memphis because I know there was a place we saw that cooperation has tended to breed great results and I would love to hear a little more about that.
Thank you. And I I have numbers for you, too. Um well, and we're all right here in DC. We're all living right here in DC. And I think we've seen the remarkable impact that it has working with members of the Democrat party on this with law enforcement, with the mayor, um do with the police chief doing everything we can to make DC safe. Um, as of February 9th, there were nearly 10,000 arrests. This is DC.
1,000 illegal guns seized since the operation began with carjackings down 81% from this time last year and violent crime down 42%. DC is safer because of it. Um, we know we had a National Guardsman shot and we had a a beautiful young woman killed. I went to her funeral and I keep in touch with the National Guardsman um who who was shot, his parents um he's doing great. He's a miracle. Please continue to pray for him. I I know my time is up, but same results I spoke about earlier um in Memphis and we're still working on that with the help of um make Memphis safe again. Well, again, I I think it just draws an incredible contrast between what we've seen happening in Minneapolis versus what we've seen happen in DC, what we saw happen in Memphis, and what I would love to see in some ways, if we could ever get our governor to work with us in North Carolina, to happen in Charlotte. But with that, I yield back. Thank you.
Time the gentleman has expired. That gentle is recognized. Thank you. Do I seek unanimous consent to introduce into the record the research that representative Kleer Dove and I referenced concerning the threat of right-wing domestic terrorism which the Department of Justice scrubbed from its website in September.
Without objection, the uh gentle lady from Texas is recognized. Thank you so much, Mr. Chairman. And to be clear, I'm not going to ask any questions of this witness because this witness has revealed that she has no intentions of answering questions. But instead, I'm going to ask some very basic questions really quickly of my colleague Becca Balant if she will answer. Right or wrong, raping children?
Wrong. Right or wrong? Killing random citizens. Definitely wrong. Right or wrong? Enriching yourself as the sitting president of the United States.
Definitely wrong. Okay, thank you. Cuz I probably never would have got that with our witness. Our witness who somehow is a lawyer but does not understand how it works with witnesses. I'm not really sure what law school she went to and what all kind of cases she tried. But typically when you come into a space and somebody's a witness, then they sit there and they answer questions instead of asking questions. And then we also have this objection that we use as lawyers called non-responsive when a witness fails to actually answer the question. But nevertheless, let me address the survivors because that's exactly who they are. They are not victims, they are survivors. Let me say thank you for having more courage and moral clarity in your pinky fingers than the entire Department of Justice. We are currently the laughingtock of the world partially because of the failed leadership within the DOJ as we see kings and queens
fallen everywhere around the world. But we don't know the basics of right and wrong in this country because it's not about partisanship. And that's why I applaud Thomas Massie because he's the only person on the Republican side that has a backbone and knows how to stand up to corruption. But nevertheless, let me keep going. My Democratic colleagues have been attacked this entire committee hearing. They have been lied on. And frankly, the American people weren't looking for that. They were looking for answers about the corruption that they see coming from this administration. In the wi in the written testimony of this witness of of this particular witness, she stated that when she took office, she had two main goals. The first was to end the weaponization of justice and second to return the department to its core mission. Not only have you lied about both, you've intentionally done the exact opposite. You're spending more
taxpayer resources arresting journalists than you are prosecuting pedophiles and creeps. In fact, your boss, the president of the United States, stated that this administration quote took the freedom of speech away and at your direction DOJ has arrested Don Lemon and Georgia Fort. And I might add that y'all actually had a judge that rejected y'all for trying to arrest Don Lemon before, just like the grand jury rejected y'all as it relates to Senator Kelly. Just like a grand jury rejected y'all as it relates to Senator Slackin. Just like the case against Tish James was dismissed and the case against Mr. Comey was dismissed. I completely don't get how it is that you're sitting at the top of DOJ cuz you don't seem to be good at your job. You're spending more taxpayer resources arresting these journalists.
In fact, we know after Georgia Fort and Don Lemon were arrested, we know that there were homes of journalists that were raided. We know that threatened prosecution against students protesting your actions and forced tech companies to remove apps used to track ISIS activities. But let's circle back to you protecting pedophiles and creeps because I want to talk about the president and his possible involvement with Jeffrey Epstein. Now, I don't know what the president might have done with Jeffrey Epste, but unlike this administration, I believe the facts matter. So, let's talk about the facts.
Fact number one, Donald Trump is one of the most named people in the Epstein files. At least 5,000 files contains more than 38,000 references to Trump, his wife, or Mara Lago. Fact number two, Jeffrey Epstein and Galain Maxwell made young girls available to Trump on multiple occasions. For example, according to this file, Galileain Maxwell presented a young girl to President Trump, who spent more than 20 minutes apparently flirting with her. Here's another example. This shows notes from FBI investigators that describe Jeffrey Epstein transporting a victim to Mara Lago to meet with President Trump where he bragged to Trump that quote, "This is a good one." Now, I'm not saying that the president is a pedophile, but there is a lot of evidence in these files that suggests that he's very close friends with a lot of men who are pedophiles. What's crazy about all of this is just that this is a
big cover up and this administration is engaged in it. In fact, this administration is complicit. But there are numerous others like how the DOJ is attempting to obstruct justice in the investigation of the rogue agents who have murdered American citizens. Or how the DOJ seized voter data from Fulton County in an attempt to steal the 2026 midterm elections. Or how federal agents have Tom H homeman on tape accepting a bribe in your agency killed the investigation or how your agency is ready to give the president a $230 million day payday which is unconstitutional. The Constitution is clear. The president shall not receive any payment except his salary while in office. The fact of the matter is that you will be remembered as one of the worst attorney generals in history. An attorney general who has prioritized obstruction over justice, corruption over the law, feelalty to the president over loyalty to the constitution. And
Mr. Chairman, I will yield. Gentle lady yields. Gentleman from Missouri is recogniz Excuse me. Gentleman from Kansas, the attorney general, former attorney general, uh, Mr. Schmidt is recognized.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman and uh General Bondi, thanks for being here. Did you have anything you wanted to say before we talk?
I do. Thank you, Congressman. Thank you, my friend, for many years. Um I find it interesting that she didn't even want to try Congresswoman Crockett to ask any questions because she certainly did not condemn her leader, Hakee Jeff, for taking money from Jeffrey Epstein after Epstein was convicted. And I will be brief to give you your time, Congressman. And this is what she didn't want to talk about. Texas from Cuba convicted. Homicide, arson, weapon offense.
Convicted. So what we talking about? Convict some of these perpetrators that raped these women that are sitting belong to even acknowledge they are here.
Time belongs to the gentleman from Kansas. Mr. Chairman, could I have a few seconds back to make up for the yelling? Thank you. General, did you have anything further to say? Texas convicted of homicide. Ceil Joseph from Dominican Republic. Texas convicted for kidnapping rape. Khaled Khan from Afghanistan. That's why they want to talk about Epstein and not what's happening in their own states.
Thank you, General, and thank you for being here. And um this has been quite a spectacle to observe today. I think it's sad. I ran for Congress because I thought we had serious problems in this country we wanted to try to fix together. And this performance today, not yours, General, but some of my colleagues, has not shored up my confidence that uh we are up to the task. You and I served together for 8 years when you were attorney general of Florida and I in Kansas. Uh you serve professionally. I'm glad to be able to serve with you in these new roles and I'm glad you're there uh both generally and today. Part of the reason I ran for Congress is because in my former role, I saw uh in the real world, in my state, the consequences of failed US immigration and border security policy.
And I'll spare you the lengthy recitation, but let me give you the short version. I sit here and think about a fellow who was running, I believe it was drugs for the cartels and shot a police officer in Oklahoma, drove across the border into my state, kidnapped an old man, and then invaded a house and shot at cops before uh we ultimately uh neutralized him. and he's in prison now for I believe the rest of his life. Uh I'm thinking about a drunk driver who was in our country illegally. Never should have been here and one night killed a young deputy on southern Johnson County, Kansas. Uh who was making a traffic stop on another individual. Drunk driver ran into him.
Never should have been here. Shouldn't have happened. Thinking about a guy who was deported repeatedly, came back and ultimately murdered I believe it was four people in Kansas City, Kansas, and then fled to Missouri and killed a fifth guy. He died in prison. I'm thinking about a guy we prosecuted who wasn't supposed to be in this country who raped a child in a little rural county up north on the Nebraska border and we sent him to prison for I believe the rest of his life. Thinking about a guy who wasn't supposed to be here at all who murdered I think it was his wife or his domestic partner in an act of domestic violence in northwest Kansas. Thinking about another guy who was here and joined up with some folks who were citizens and committed a crime spree and then thought he might get caught so he killed one of his accompllices and we sent him to prison for the rest of his life. And that's just the ones I'm
thinking about sitting right here. And you know what's common in all of those? They all committed violations of my state's law. They were caught by my state's law enforcement. They were prosecuted by my state's prosecutors. They are serving time in my state's prisons. And if and when they ever get out, the United States has said they need to be sent out of this country because of what they did. There's a list. You're holding up photos, General. There's a list on the Department of Homeland Security's website. It has about 280, 290 people like that in my state of Kansas. And you know what? We haven't made headlines like Minneapolis.
We haven't made headlines like Memphis. We haven't made headlines like Los Angeles. And you know why? Because our cops are professionals. And our politicians by law allow them to do their job and to work with federal agents for safe handoffs in order to do everything that's supposed to be done. Justice under state law and the justice of deportation on the back end. So, I want to do something that's been rare here today, General. I want to ask you about public policy. Donald Trump won't be president forever. I would like to lock in some of these gains we have made in public safety. Should we be exploring the idea, for example, of beefing up 287G partnerships or maybe replicating that so that state prosecutors can work more closely with federal prosecutors to get deportation orders as well as state convictions?
Absolutely. In terms of sanctuary jurisdictions, when a sanctuary jurisdiction says as a matter of politics, go pound sand to the feds. We won't honor your detainers. So they release those people I'm talking about into their communities and those people commit another crime of property or violence against citizens. Should those citizens have some type of civil redress against the jurisdiction that as a matter of public policy turned those people loose who created the new victims?
Yeah. And Congressman, it's it's risking the lives of of all all of all of the citizens of that jurisdiction.
And you've been sued a lot or the administration has by folks who don't like your policies
hundreds of times. You've won many of those. Yes. Isn't it the case that the law says under rule 65 that when you win those and there's a wrongfully entered injunction that there's supposed to be a monetary remedy for that so there's a cost?
Yes. And didn't the president direct you and other agency heads to start seeking bonds in those cases?
Yes. And should we beef up the law in that area by codifying that requirement going forward?
I would love to discuss that with you. Thank you, General. Thank you for being here.
Gentleman yields back. Well done. some of the questions he raised we plan on taking up in a markup in a couple weeks on the whole sanctuary jurisdiction issue. With that, I recognize the gentleman from Texas.
Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and thank you uh Madam Attorney General for for taking the time to to speak with us. Uh we certainly really appreciate it. I've got a series of questions for you that we can uh get through pretty pretty quickly, I I think. Um can you tell me is is it true that the Biden Harris DOJ raided President Trump's home?
They did. Did the Biden Harris DOJ allow Jack Smith to spy on over a dozen Republican members of Congress?
Absolutely. Did the Biden Harris DOJ seize the phone of a sitting Republican congressman?
Yes. Did the Biden Harris DOJ and Jack Smith pay at least $20,000 to confidential human sources to provide information on President Trump?
At least. At least. Did the Biden Harris, DOJ, and FBI failed to apprehend the suspect who placed pipe bombs near the capital ahead of January 6th? Yes.
Did the Biden Harris G DOJ target parents as domestic terrorists? Absolutely. Did the Biden Harris DOJ target pro-life Catholics, going so far as to interview a priest and a choir director?
Yes. Did the Biden Harris DOJ send FBI SWAT teams to arrest pro-life advocates with no criminal histories?
Yes. Did the Biden Harris DOJ use the FACE Act to target pro-life ad advocates while it allowed anti-life agitators to vandalize, destroy, and firebomb pregnancy resource centers and churches?
Multiple times, I believe. Multiple times. Did the Biden Harris DOJ ever determine who leaked the DOS decision?
I can't discuss that. No. Oh, no. Under Biden No. Under Biden Harris. Got it. No. Did the Biden, Harris, DOJ, and and FBI target whistleblowers for revealing waste, fraud, and abuse within the department to Congress?
Not to my knowledge. Did the Biden Harris DOJ refuse to say whether it coordinated with Alvin Bragg, Fanny Willis, and Leticia James in their lawfare against President Trump?
They refused. Did the Biden Harris DOJ swalked the criminal investigation and prosecution of Hunter Biden?
That's an understatement in my opinion. Yep. Did the Biden Harris DOJ uh determine who brought cocaine into the Biden White House?
They did not. They did not. The Did the Biden Harris DOJ cover up the extent? As far as we know, they did not.
Right. That's right. Did the Biden Harris DOJ cover up the extent of the Russia collusion hoax?
Absolutely. In my opinion, yes. Did the Biden Harris DOJ DOJ, excuse me, seek leniency from a federal court for an IRS contractor who leaked sensitive tax information on over 7600 Americans, including President Trump?
Yes. Did the Biden Harris DOJ sue Texas because the state wanted to secure its own southern border?
Yes. And finally, did the Biden Harris DOJ attack SpaceX for hiring too many Americans?
I believe they did. Yep. Unbelievable. It It is unbelievable. And I I appreciate that a lot of this is is being cleaned up under your leadership. Um so, thank you for returning the DOJ back to its core focus, which is on the rule of law. And I think that we see the results of that. I've got a few more similar questions for you. How have uh over the past year since President Trump has been in office, how have murders trended in the United States? Since President Trump has has been in office, the murder rate has um dropped to a historic 20% drop in the national murder rate. Lowest since 1900.
20% drop in one year. That's incredible, isn't it? And that's thanks to the incredible men and women of law enforcement um FBI DEA ATF everyone working together to solve violent crime along with our sheriffs, our local law enforcement working as a team throughout this country and our great state and federal prosecutors.
Yep. And how have robberies trended? Have they gone? Even if they've just gone robber Oh, robberies, all violent crime. It's a all violent crime. Violent crime has decreased as well as robberies.
So murders, violent crime, the country is more safe now, it's fair to say, would you agree, than it was a year and a half ago under Joe Biden?
Absolutely. And Director Patel is working tirelessly to catch those, I'm sure you've been seen, on the most wanted list.
He he and Deputy Director Bonino from day one said, "We're going to get the most wanted list." And that's what's been happening, working hand inand with with all of our agencies.
Yep. And I want to thank you for that. Thank you for the work you've been doing to refocus the DOJ again on doing your core job. We're we're very happy with it. And I'll yield the remainder of my time to uh to the chairman.
I I appreciate gentlemen. I I would just say earlier one of the Democrats said that they said who who who are you? Who you are? And I I I think you're the you're the attorney general who I think on the first day disbanded the fidifended the memo that required spying on parents that Mr. Garland had issued and stood up the weaponization working group. I think he did that all on day one.
Day one. Uh not to mention you're the first Justice Department that's put in place, as we've talked about earlier, this this deputy attorney general for combating fraud. Um so we we appreciate that and of course all the things that Mr. uh Mr. Gil pointed out with the crime stats that have went down. So our last question of the day but not the least, the gentleman. Well, I'm sorry. We got to have two more. We got Mr. Ander and then Mr. Bonger. So Mr. Bonger, you Well, let's go that way since you're here. you ready to go, Mr. Bonger? And then we'll come back to Mr. Andre.
Uh, thank you, uh, Mr. Chairman, and thank you, Attorney General, uh, Bondi. You know, being a freshman on this committee, uh, you always, uh, uh, get a bit surprised, I guess, even the one year into my term here, how theatrical uh, days like this uh, can be. Um, but I think you've performed well today and answered the questions well today and that's a credit to you and uh and appreciated by the uh American uh people. You know, the Epstein issue is certainly important and is important uh for the victims. I I think both I and the American people have a little bit of uh trouble taking the Democrats super seriously on this issue when they have been so uncurious about uh President Clinton's uh relations with uh with uh Jeffrey Epstein. And even myself, I had no idea that there was actually a sitting Democrat congresswoman who had taken substantial campaign donations uh for Mr. Epstein. uh only when that came
light on the floor with the potential resolution and you would think there would be more outrage on those types of things if they were going to be taking uh credible but uh but we do know the performance value of what goes on in this uh in this committee. Uh I want to talk about the big things that Department of Justice uh is doing. And when I look at the dramatic decrease in crime in this country uh in the in the last year since uh the Trump administration has come, you'll see the board behind me. Violent crime plummets across major US cities. And I guess so my first question would be when it comes to the big stuff, how are you guys getting this stuff so right? uh what is what is the what contributes uh from your perspective to this dramatic decrease in crime in major US cities under the Trump administration?
When I first took office, I I met with all of our agencies and the the one thing that that stuck with me that that one of the heads of one the department said to me, one of the law enforcement department heads, President Trump has taken the handcuffs off us so we can keep the people of America safe. And that's what he's done. He has given our law enforcement officers the tools that they need and the backing that they need, the support that they need to combat violent crime and all crime throughout this country. And you know, I'd be remiss, we've talked about the FBI, we've talked about DEA a bit, but but can I please brag about ATF? Um Rob Sakata and Dan Driscoll of course who has been our acting head of ATF have done a remarkable job stopping guns from flowing in to Mexico not harassing gun owners.
26,965 violent crime cases have been initiated including more than 4,300 firearms trafficking cases. more than 1,200 of those are tied to gun trafficking in Mexico. I I talk to them almost daily. Thank you.
And they're working so hard. Well, thank you uh attorney general. Again, you know, I look back at this last year and we've had this historic tax uh cut uh yesterday in the Wall Street Journal, the National Council or National Cancer Foundation ran full page ads thanking Congress, the administration for doing more for cancer research than has ever been been done before. I was just meeting with Habitat for Humanity out in the hallway and they came and thanked us for doing more ever been done for Habitat for Humanity.
There's been so many uh so many accomplishments, but I really think this crime deal is the biggest deal of all. Um, but I do have some concerns on this issue and those also are respect how we keep people safe with sanctuary cities and sanctuary states. And I remind everyone and I'm as I sure you know uh madam attorney general that when we had the terrible terrorist attacks of 9/11 uh the number one recommendation of the 911 commission was to reduce barriers between all levels of law enforcement. They specifically pointed to things like fusion centers, joint terrorism task force, and getting local law enforcement and federal law enforcement to work together and communicate on a regular basis. And I would just like your perspective because we have a more complex global threat uh than any time since World War II. We still have Islamic terrorism. We have spies from China, uh Iran, Russia, all these
things. And what does sanctuary cities and states do for communication law enforcement? How does it make us less safe?
Well, sanctuary cities and states are attempting to prevent communication among all the law enforcement agencies. And of course, that's keeping all of America less safe, especially when the violent criminals are fleeing to those jurisdictions because they believe they're protected. But with all of our joint task forces, I see it every day, Congressman, how well, despite despite what these liberals are t trying to do, Donald Trump's administration is working tirelessly tirelessly to protect all of Americans and all of our agencies working hand inand to keep America safe.
Well, you guys are getting the big stuff right. You look at that decrease in crime across the country, ought to take a victory lap. Well done.
Gentleman yields back. The gentleman from Missouri is recognized. Thank you, Mr. Mr. Chairman, and thank you, Attorney General Bondi, for being here on this long day. And I want to thank you most of all for your leadership in your whole career defending victims. And now, I want to take uh a moment to talk about you protecting victims from a different kind of child abuse, that medicalized child abuse that goes under the banner of gender affirming care that far too many of my Democrat colleagues enthusiastically support and unapologetically support. Shortly after returning to office, President Trump signed an executive order uh direct directing HHS to review the clinical evidence and determine whether sex rejecting interventions caused more harm than good. HHS re reached the same conclusion that the UK and Finland and uh and Sweden reached that the risks are serious and that imposing this this
so-called care on minors was not appropriate. Um, this executive order also directed you as attorney general general to quote uh work to draft, propose, and promote legislation to enact a private right of action for children and the parents of children whose healthy body parts have been damaged by medical professionals practicing chemical and surgical mutilation, which should include a lengthy statute of limitations. Last se last September, you transmitted that bill to Congress. It has been my honor to introduce that bill as the Khloe Cole Act. We named the bill after Khloe Cole who sat where you're sitting uh just a few years ago on her 19th birthday during a hearing chaired by now speaker Mike Johnson. I'd like to play a clip of her testimony that day to remind of our story on puberty blockers and then testosterone. The resulting menopausal-like hot flashes made focusing on school impossible. I still
get joint pains and weird pops in my back, but they were far worse when I was on the blockers. A month later, when I was 13, I had my first testosterone injection. This caused permanent changes to my body. My voice will forever be deeper, my jawline sharper, my nose longer, my bone structure um permanently masculineized, my Adam's apple more prominent, my fertility unknown. I look in the mirror sometimes and I feel like a monster. I had a double masectomy at 15. They tested my amputated breast for cancer and I was cancer-free. Of course, I was perfectly healthy. There was nothing wrong with my still developing body. or my breasts. Other than that, as an insecure teenage girl, I felt awkward about it. After my breasts were taken away from me, the tissue was incinerated.
Before I was able to legally drive, I had part I had a huge part of my future womanhood taken from me. I will never be able to breastfeed. I struggle to look at myself in the mirror at times. I [snorts] I still I still struggle to this day with sexual dysfunction. And I have massive scars across my chest. And the skin grafts that they use that they took of my nipples are weeping fluid today. And they were grafted into a more masculine positioning. They said Chloe testified that day what that what she needed was was mental health therapy, but she never received it. And she was not suicidal until after they did these horrible things to her. uh she pleaded with Congress to act so that future children would not suffer what she did. Uh last week was a major turning point in this this for this uh for these medical malpractice claims when a dransitioner was the first to successfully hold doctors liable uh with
a $2 million settlement for what they did to that poor girl. Just days later, the American Society of PLA plastic surgeons and announced that they would no longer do transgender surgeries on minor in the minors in the AMA followed suit. Uh this proves that if the bill your DOJ drafted uh were passed into law, these barbaric practices would end immediately because all victims would be able to be able to hold those who harm them accountable. Could you share with us a little bit about your work in advocating uh for victims like Khloe and what a private action right of action would mean for victims like her and their families?
Yes. And and first Congressman, thank you for championing this bill. Thank you.
And also to to Chloe, what a brave young woman to come before this body. Yes. And
at age 19. at age 19 and talk about what happened to her. Um, it's not about just giving relief to children who have been harmed. It allows victims um whose healthy body parts have been damaged to seek [snorts] relief and obtain relief and and thanks to you and we are proud to work hand inand with you on this issue. And I I think it's pretty sad none of our your colleagues on the other side of the aisle even brought that up, but I I I hope they support this to protect all children throughout this country.
Well, General Bondi, thank you so much to you, to your department, to President Trump. I yield back.
Gentleman yields back. I've just saved some UC requests for the end, Mr. Chairman.
Okay, go right ahead. Thank you kindly. Uh record low crime during the Biden Harris administration. crime down in every category in 2024 under Biden. FBI report says Trump takes credit for violent crime drop where rates were already falling um from NPR. Trump administration targets ATF with plans to cut jobs and ease gun restrictions. And then the a few oldies but goodies. I've introduced these before about the claim that we didn't have anything to say about Epstein before the Trump administration. Raskin joins call for attorney general to reopen Epstein case and publicly release Acasta misconduct investigation and documents March 1, 2019. Oversight committee plans hearing with Acasta on plea deal with Epstein July 10, 2019.
And finally, 68 House members call for resignation of labor secretary Acasta. July 10, 2019.
Without objection, uh, Attorney General Bondi, thank you for your service to the country. Um, and thank you for being here for a long day. We appreciate your willingness to uh come and answer our questions and the great job you're doing for u our country. And the I got one thing I got to say. This concludes today's hearing. We thank our witnesses for appearing before the committee. Without objection, all members will have five legislative days to submit additional written questions for the witness or additional materials for the record. Without objection, the hearing is adjourned.
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Attorney General Pam Bondi's testimony addresses the controversial hiring of Jared Weise, a pardoned individual indicted for assaulting police officers during the January 6th insurrection, raising questions about law enforcement credibility under the Trump administration. Her remarks highlight the disconnect between the administration's rhetoric on supporting police and the reality of employing…
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