MAGA Podcasters ABANDON Trump after HEARING DISASTER!!!

What this episode is about

MAGA podcasters, including Liz Wheeler, are distancing themselves from Donald Trump following a disastrous testimony by Pam Bondi regarding the Epstein case. Critiques have emerged from prominent MAGA figures, highlighting failures in handling the investigation and a lack of accountability, leading to a notable shift in support within the movement.

Key takeaways

• Liz Wheeler’s shift from Epstein exposer to critic shows the fragility of loyalty in MAGA circles.
• Pam Bondi’s binder theatrics reveal a political strategy: when answers evade, resort to insults and diversions.
• Joe Rogan dropped a bomb—Epstein's connections cross continents, yet the narrative remains a tangled web of denial.
• As MAGA influencers stray, Trump's narrative risks dilution; a fractured base can't silence the reeking truths of reality.
• When even right-wing podcasters start questioning narratives, it’s a sign—truth might finally pack more punch than party loyalty.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Jared Moskowitz (Guest) · 7 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 3:00: Attorney General Pam Bondi, Donald Trump, Epstein file, Liz Wheeler
2. 3:00 – 6:00: Jared Moscowitz
3. 6:00 – 9:00: Department of Justice
4. 9:00 – 12:00: Donald Trump, Epstein file, Howard Lutnick
5. 12:00 – 15:00: Jared Moscowitz, Donald Trump, FEMA, Cash Patel
6. 15:00 – 18:00: FEMA

Notable quotes from "MAGA Podcasters ABANDON Trump after HEARING DISASTER!!!"

• Posted. Pam Bondi's testimony was a total disaster. In one exchange, Congressman Jerry Nadler asked Bondi some very straightforward questions. How many of Epstein's…

  about Attorney General Pam Bondi · at 0:25

• But then you have, here's what Joe Rogan had to say. Let's play it.

  about Joe Rogan · at 1:38

• Want to bring in right now Congress member Jared Moscowitz. Congressman, it's great to see you. Showed you these videos of all these right-wing podcasters who were like even they.

  about Jared Moscowitz · at 3:52

• Let's not pretend for a second that the attorney general's office, the Department of Justice in this administration is a separate arm of the executive branch doing what they…

  about Department of Justice · at 6:29

• In the United States when you're confronted with things Howard Lutnik bringing children, to the island after Lutnik says, I knew Epstein was a bad guy. I never saw him again because I knew what he was up to. So I got out of there. And you.

  about Howard Lutnick · at 11:21

• Times. Either Cash didn't know the real answer, okay, and spoke too soon, or he was lying, cuz obviously Donald Trump's name is in there tens of thousands of times, not less than a hundred times.

  about Donald Trump · at 12:41

• Being the only former emergency management director in Congress. FEMA did need reform, right? The president was right about that. I've said that many times. There was reform…

  about FEMA · at 14:42

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Attorney General Pam Bondi — Person · Referenced government official under scrutiny · 3 mentions · first at 0:25
  Portrayed as performing poorly in congressional testimony about Epstein-related matters; repeatedly discussed as central to the hearing and DOJ handling.
• Jared Moscowitz — Person · Main guest / interviewed lawmaker · 3 mentions · first at 3:10
  Appears as the interviewed congressman discussing Bondi’s hearing, DOJ access to Epstein files, and broader institutional concerns.
• Donald Trump — Person · Referenced political figure / subject of criticism · 4 mentions · first at 0:00
  Central political figure referenced in connection with MAGA media, DOJ behavior, and mentions in Epstein-related documents.
• Liz Wheeler — Person · Referenced podcaster / MAGA media figure · 2 mentions · first at 0:04
  Used as an example of a strongly pro-MAGA influencer now criticizing Bondi’s handling/testimony; also referenced for holding up an 'Epstein Files' binder.
  Literally there holding the binder. You were one of the people she had back in February. And by the way, here is what Liz Wheeler said on her podcast the other day. Let's play it.
• Congressman Jerry Nadler — Person · Referenced lawmaker / questioner in hearing · 2 mentions · first at 0:29
  Cited as asking Bondi direct questions about indictments/investigations of Epstein co-conspirators, used to illustrate her alleged evasiveness.
  Total disaster. In one exchange, Congressman Jerry Nadler asked Bondi some very straightforward questions. How many of Epstein's co-conspirators have you indicted? How many…
• Cash Patel — Person · Referenced political/administration figure · 2 mentions · first at 2:17
  Discussed as having made sworn statements about Epstein documents that the speaker claims are contradicted by later disclosures.
  Cash also said under oath that there was nobody else that were getting girls trafficked to them but Epste. It was all for Epste. Nobody else. Well, we know that's not true. So, either he didn't.
• Joe Rogan — Person · Referenced podcaster / media figure · 2 mentions · first at 1:38
  Quoted discussing redactions and names in Epstein-related materials, reinforcing the episode’s theme of skepticism about official handling.
• Howard Lutnick — Person · Referenced business figure in Epstein discussion · 1 mention · first at 11:25
  Mentioned in a critical example about visiting Epstein’s island and alleged inconsistencies in statements, used to contrast U.S. accountability with foreign cases.
• Andrew Scholes — Person · Referenced commentator / clip participant · 2 mentions · first at 2:15
  Appears in a played clip discussing claims that Epstein-related controversy was a 'hoax' and challenging what that means.
  Andrew Scholes. Let's play it. So now that we know that everybody from Trump, Patel Bondi Bon, like everybody that was involved in this, this is just a.

Companies & orgs

• Department of Justice — Company · Key institution · 2 mentions · first at 6:33
  Discussed in the context of handling the Epstein Files and political bias allegations.
• FEMA — Company · Government agency · 2 mentions · first at 14:46
  Critiqued for its management and reform under the current administration.

Concepts & topics

• Epstein file — Concept · Core topic · 3 mentions · first at 0:14
  Central to the discussion, involving allegations of a sex trafficking ring and political implications.
  Faith. Whatever. But she goes, But Bondie's catastrophic showing yesterday and her entire handling of the Epstein files for the last year are exactly what not to do as attorney…
• MAGA — Concept · Political movement · 1 mention · first at 0:02
  Referenced in relation to political figures and their alignment with the movement.
  Donald Trump is losing his base. The MAGA podcasters are running for the Hill. You don't get much more MAGA than Liz Wheeler. How MAGA is Liz Wheeler?

Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 Donald Trump is losing his base. The MAGA podcasters are running for the Hill. You don't get much more MAGA than Liz Wheeler. How MAGA is Liz Wheeler? She was one of the people who showed up at the White House back in February and held up the Epstein Files binder. And she goes, "I've got the Epstein Files exclusive." She held it up with all those other influencers showing what they got. And now here's what she posted. Pam Bondi's testimony was a total disaster. In one exchange, Congressman Jerry Nadler asked Bondi some very straightforward questions. How many of Epstein's co-conspirators have you indicted? How many perpetrators are you even investigating? And in response, Bondi lost it. I didn't hear any number.

0:43 I didn't hear any explanation. All I heard was a raised tone of voice, hurled insults, a flustered demeanor, and filibustering. And she goes, "I don't think the Democrats were acting in good faith." Whatever. But she goes, "But Bondie's catastrophic showing yesterday and her entire handling of the Epstein files for the last year are exactly what not to do as attorney general." You were literally there holding the binder. You were one of the people she had back in February. And by the way, here is what Liz Wheeler said on her podcast the other day. Let's play it.

1:15 Uh Jamie Raskin jumps in and says, "I told you attorney general beforehand not to filibuster." And Pam Bondi then responds very combatively, "You don't tell me things you washed up." And then whether she's talking to Rasin, whether she's back to talking to Nadler, she says, "You're not even a lawyer." I mean, you want to talk about theatrics here. Here's the thing. She goes, "You don't like my answer."

1:38 But then you have, here's what Joe Rogan had to say. Let's play it. So, we know Sultan Ahmed bin Sullean Sul Suliam sent the torture video to Ebstein. This is in 2009. Um, so Ebstein was saying that where are you? Are you okay? I love the torture video.

2:00 Jeez. I am in China. I'll be in the US second week of May. What the [ __ ] man? And why is his name redacted? Why would your name be redacted if you're not a victim? Like, this is what's crazy about all this.

2:15 Andrew Scholes. Let's play it. So now that we know that everybody from Trump, Patel Bondi Bon, you know, like everybody that was involved in this, ah, this is just a hoax. We don't have anything like they're all on record saying versions of this right?

2:33 With the latest trunch, all of that is a lie. Yes. Right. We has it been proven effectively that is complete falsehood.

2:41 What exactly is a falsehood? the statements that this is just a Democrat hoax and this is I don't even know what that means.

2:49 And then you have the Tommy Lens podcast and Marjgery Taylor Green. Let's play it.

2:54 We have the leader of our party and our president attacking Taylor Swift, their favorite artist. That's not very good. Um it's things like that that are ridiculous. Like

3:07 Okay, I want to show you one of my favorite parts of the Bondi hearing, though. It was Moscowitz's question of Bondi. Let's just play that.

3:13 No, Madam Attorney General, I have like 25 seconds left. So, because I'm curious uh and I I just I'd like to see you flip to the Jared Moscowitz section of the binder. I'm interested to see what staff provided on the on the oppo on me. And because we're in the Olympics, I'm going to give it a grade. I just want to see how how how good it is. So, give me your best one.

3:33 So, first of all, nothing is funny about mocking the Bible and holding up a child Bible. That's what you did. You made a joke and I find it

3:42 I want it. That's all I have to say. I want it from the burnbook. I want it from the burnber book. Which is the best one? What you got? It

3:48 has expired. The gentleman from Wisconsin's recognition. Thank you. Want to bring in right now Congress member Jared Moscowitz. Congressman, it's great to see you. Showed you these videos of all these right-wing podcasters who were like uh even they can't cover this up anymore. Your questioning of Bondi was incredible. just if you can walk us through first though just your your questioning what you observed there like what's your perspective being in that room?

4:16 Well, first of all, I have a different take uh than a lot of people then I I actually think it went very well uh for her. Um um I mean don't you you don't think it didn't I thought it went well. No,

4:28 look, I think that if she was positioning herself for Secretary of State or Department of Defense, it's a she she's definitely next in line to to the Peter principle.

4:39 Yeah. I mean, listen, we saw this week uh perhaps she was spending time with Secretary Kennedy um and and boosting her immune uh system by, you know, snorting cocaine off a toilet seat like Kennedy did in order to make sure he doesn't get any germs. Uh I I have no idea what that hearing was. I mean, she obviously came in with a tactic. Um, and maybe it would have worked sparingly here and there, but you know, to ask every Republican for 20 seconds to respond to the Democrat and then they didn't respond. They just read from the burnbook. That's why I was like, she doesn't need to yield 20 seconds or ask for 20 seconds from one of my colleagues. I'll give her 20 seconds of my time. Like, let's let's do it. like let's hear the the stuff from from the burn book. U I don't think it worked for her. Um you know I I think the American people wanted to hear some answers on Epstein, at least some answers on

5:36 Epstein, right? I mean she could have just defended the president, which we would have expected because it's an audience of one. A and then said, "Look, these other people, we're going to relook at this stuff. We're going to relook at these co-conspirators. We're going to relook at uh these unredacted names. we're going to relook at these photos and and if there's enough evidence, we're going to we're going to prosecute. And she could have blamed Merrick Garland and all that other stuff, but you're the attorney general now. Like, start attorney generaling, you know, and and it didn't and only it worked because she provided no answers and it just looked like she was providing cover. Now, now what we don't know, of course, is what what were her instructions? Perhaps she was put into a box in fairness to her for a second and maybe the president said, "This is what you do. this is what you're going to do. We don't know that,

6:23 right? We don't know if that was her strategy or if that was a strategy given to her or what what she's allowed to do. I mean, let's not pretend for a second that the attorney general's office, the Department of Justice in this administration is a separate arm of the executive branch doing what they think is right. No, they're doing what they're told to do. I mean, the president, you know, thinks he's sending a DM to the attorney general, right? and he's he's putting it on True Social, his instructions uh on on what to do. I mean, the latest one obviously is they're trying to indict, you know, uh two senators and four House members for freedom of speech. Um you know, we got, you know, box wine afficionado Janine Piro, you know, leading that whole thing. And thankfully, they didn't get uh the grand jury uh to indict them because there's no evidence, by the way. But but I the rumor is they're trying again. So it's

7:18 it's it's crazy times. We're living in the upside down. Um and but real damage is being done to our institutions, to Congress. Long-term damage being done to the Article One branch uh of government and the American people uh are suffering uh through all of this. So you know, one year down, Ben, three more to go. Noah Janine Piro just filed a $250,000 slip and fall case uh in New York and I wonder if the uh wine box connoisse aspect of it will become a defense uh by the city. I believe it's a slip and fall.

7:55 Was she carrying it at the time? Ben, those things can be heavy, right? So if she was carrying it, she might have been like a little offkilter,

8:02 you know. I we'll see if the uh defense sends a private investigator to track that down. you you you've been able to get access, I believe, to that DOJ special secure facility where they have the unredacted files which are actually still redacted and which should have been produced. What was that experience like and and and what can you share? So, you get to the one of the Department of Justice buildings. Uh you go through uh security. Uh they, you know, and and originally we were allowed to bring a staff member with us uh up to the up to the 10th floor. You get to the 10th floor, there's nobody on the 10th floor.

8:40 All the offices, all the cubicles are empty. They put our staff member in an office. By the way, they later changed that policy later on during the day that we were no longer allowed to bring a staff member. Uh but anyways, you get into a room, there are four computers. They log you in with a separate login for each congressman. So that was obviously peculiar. These weren't just terminals that were open for us. Everyone had a specific login with a specific password. Why would we need that? And so we now know obviously because they were tracking our search history, which is fine. Like you know, you can look at what we're looking at.

9:11 In fact, the American people want to know this. It's not a secret. So it's not embarrassing to to track us. Should this told us, you know, like our queries are are, you know, you're going to be able to see our queries. I figured they would. Uh but anyways, you sit down, they log you in, and it's, you know, 2.7 million documents. They're not organized in any specific way. You can't really find anything. The names of the documents are all, you know, file htt http- whatever, you know. Uh so the only real way to do it is to go to the redacted files, figure out what that batch number is for that file, and then go find it in the unredacted files. the the system they have has a 25page manual sitting next to you on the desk just in case you know you you need help on figuring out how to use the system. Uh and so that's what we did. We went in with batch numbers to look for documents. And originally the staff was

10:05 like, "What are you doing? You can't do that." It's like, "What do you mean you can't do that? Otherwise, how do you find stuff?" Um and and so you know, look, that's how a lot of us were able to read what's in the files. Ben, I can tell you it's it's beyond disgusting what's in the files. a worldwide sex trafficking ring. Epstein was getting girls from Poland and Russia and Czech. Um, Paris modeling agencies were sending him girls. He had a a relationship with a summer camp. He was grooming 14-year-olds at a picnic table.

10:36 Obviously, this was for him and for others. This wasn't just for him. And we know that, right? Because we there are photos now. There are emails with unredacted names. There are co-conspirators. Um, and so, you know, after a year of the American people pounding the table, uh, and Congress on on almost completely bipartisan basis, every member of the House except one and the entire Senate forcing the administration to release these files, we're finally starting to make headway for the victims. Well, I did a video on Friday where I went through prime ministers of foreign countries who are now being criminally investigated or charged, national security advisors, um, business leaders, you know, resigning or being investigated. And what just strikes me is, you know, here in the United States when you're confronted with things like, you know, Howard Lutnik bringing children, you know, to the island after Lutnik says,

11:31 "I knew Epstein was a bad guy. I never saw him again because I knew what he was up to. So I I got out of there." And you bring your children.

11:39 What he said is, "I knew he was blackmailing people. He was the world's greatest blackmailer. So I decided I would go have lunch with him on his island."

11:46 On the island. And then Trump is asked about it. Well, what do you make about that? And Donald's like, I heard he brought his children. And he's like, yeah, that's that's the issue. Like, that's the problem. And you know, I I I don't know the right words to capture it like demented like like it it is a parody of a parody, but these are the people who are who are who are in charge right now. And in a bit, I want to talk about just some other aspects because

12:14 it it was it was the lie that was told, right? you know, like he now he's he lied or he's backtracking or he had his recollection, you know, his memory uh, you know, recalled by the documents. But, I mean, why not just tell people in advance because now now that's where the problem is. It's the same thing for Cash Patel. I mean, Cash under oath said his name was in the documents less than 100 times. Either Cash didn't know the real answer, okay, and spoke too soon, or he was lying, cuz obviously Donald Trump's name is in there tens of thousands of times, not less than a hundred times.

12:53 Cash also said under oath that there was nobody else that were getting girls trafficked to them but Epste. It was all for Epste. Nobody else. Well, we know that's not true. So, either he didn't know or that was a lie. Uh and and so like that's where now, you know, as we move forward and maybe they thought the documents would never come out, you know, but but at the end of the day, that's now where okay, now there's more threads to pull because now they they said one thing and and now it's clear that the truth is different.

13:23 Probably saw the new reporting on Christine Gnome, how they would like fire pilots uh when she would be out with Luwendowski if they would like leave her blankie behind. And

13:34 Yeah. Yeah. They didn't fire they didn't fire the officers, right, that shot two Americans and killed them, but they fired the pilot that, you know, didn't have her blankie ready. She's going to be testifying soon. You've called for her resignation, which is probably the easiest, you know, it's like the easiest call to make. What What What are you expecting? You know, the the last time she testified, she pretended she had to leave because there was a meeting uh with FEMA that was gonna gut FEMA that and that meeting never happened. So, she lied to like leave an hour into it and it was a disaster. What What What should we look forward to when she uh when she testifies before your committee?

14:18 Well, she's coming in 3 weeks. Uh if DHS is not open by then, I expect her to use that as an excuse and not come. Uh we'll see if I'm right or wrong there. Um, but look, I mean, it's going to be a very tough hearing for her. I have a lot of questions. The Wall Street Journal article that came out today is extremely troubling. There's lots of rumors of what's going on at at DHS. A lot of pay-to-play rumors that are going on there. I'm deeply concerned about FEMA being the only former emergency management director uh in Congress. Uh, FEMA did need reform, right? The president was right about that. I've said that many times. There was reform that was needed. One of those reforms was getting FEMA out of Homeland because Homeland was disabusing FEMA, using them to run the grants of 22 other agencies.

14:59 They weren't focused on response anymore. They became a bureaucratic mess. But that's not what Gnome did. What Gnome did is she destroyed it. She ruined it even further. She made it even slower. She made it even more bureaucratic. Everything that uh is $100,000 or more has to go to her desk. That's more bureaucracy. That's slowing things down. That's not reform. That's not efficiency. Um, and there's really good people at FEMA. You know, not every agency is perfect. Of course, there's people there, you know, that that that have made mistakes in every agency, but these are people who come and help Americans in their in their time of need. By the way, what I don't understand is is that by the president's own metrics, not mine, but by the president's own metrics, what accomplishments does she have? She's holding up 200 miles of border wall.

15:42 Again, that's not my metric. That would be the president. So, she's failing at that. She's deported less people than Barack Obama. So again, not my metric, but the president's metric. So she's failing at that. Uh she can't get any of these grants out of her office, the largest FEMA backlog in American history. She's not helping any of these red state governors with any of their disasters. So like, what are her accomplishments? I mean, if this were the show apprentice, which the president, you know, was very successful on, was much CTV, you know, was very popular, he had people on, and he would fire them. You know, Eric on the right, Junior on the left, Ivanka would come sometimes and he would say, "Listen, you know, you sucked. You're the weakest member of the team. You're fired." I mean, who's the weakest member of his team now? It's definitely Christine Gnome. Why? Why hasn't he fired her?

16:27 Listen, I'll make him a proposition. I guarantee you his ratings would improve if he brought her into the cabinet room, you know, his boardroom, okay? Got everyone around the table and said, you know, Christy, you're not building any border wall. Barack Obama deported more people. You're you're not doing a really good job. You're fired. I mean, can the ratings would I people would pay to watch that. Um, but I don't know why it hasn't happened. Uh, I I think it needs to happen for the people at DHS and all the agencies there. Uh, I think it would actually do the president a lot of good and I think it would be helpful to the American people. We need policy changes at DHS. But who's going to implement those policy changes? Christy Nome. I mean, that's a joke. RFK. Let's play the clip of him.

17:12 And I said, I'm not scared of a germ. You know, I used to snort cocaine off of toilet seats and I know this disease will kill me.

17:22 And that's his pitch not to be fired. I mean, you have him, you have Theo von sitting there like, "Yeah, man. I've been there. I've been there."

17:29 Pete, we've all done that. Pete Exith using lasers to shoot down birthday balloons and close out the airspace over El Paso. Uh, getting into a fight with Sean from Real World Road Rules Challenge, who runs the Department of Transportation. So, there's there's a lot of contenders. Mosquitz, before before we go, what's your uh what's what's your f what's your final word to our six million subscribers out there? I I mean, listen, we at this point, Christine should just come out and say that she's had a brainworm like Kennedy, and that's been the excuse for the last year.

18:02 Bold words to conclude their muscles. Hang in there. Let's get to 7 million viewers. How's that,

18:10 everybody? Hit subscribe. Let's get to 6 million first. Thanks. Okay, I got ahead of myself.

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Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "MAGA Podcasters ABANDON Trump after HEARING DISASTER!!!"?

Jared Moskowitz (Guest).

What is "MAGA Podcasters ABANDON Trump after HEARING DISASTER!!!" about?

MAGA podcasters, including Liz Wheeler, are distancing themselves from Donald Trump following a disastrous testimony by Pam Bondi regarding the Epstein case. Critiques have emerged from prominent MAGA figures, highlighting failures in handling the investigation and a lack of accountability, leading to a notable shift in support within the movement.

What is mentioned in this MeidasTouch episode?

13 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Attorney General Pam Bondi, Jared Moscowitz, Donald Trump, Epstein file, Department of Justice, Liz Wheeler. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "MAGA Podcasters ABANDON Trump after HEARING DISASTER!!!"?

The episode runs 19 min; the transcript is about 3,561 words in 44 timestamped sections.

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