🚨MAJOR Lawsuit SERVED on Trump by DEM SENATOR

What this episode is about

Senator Mark Kelly has filed a lawsuit against Pete Hegseth in response to a censure letter that threatened to strip Kelly's military rank and pension for criticizing the Trump administration's actions. The lawsuit underscores Kelly's commitment to oversight in his congressional role, particularly in the context of Trump's perceived illegal orders and military actions, while affirming the duty of military personnel to refuse unconstitutional directives.

Key takeaways

• Mark Kelly isn't just a senator; he's a symbol of military integrity battling against political insanity.
• When threats against a veteran senator surface, it’s not just a personal attack; it’s a national security alarm.
• Refusing illegal orders isn't just military protocol; it's a cornerstone of democracy under siege.
• Trump’s political strategy is a high-stakes game of Jenga—one wrong move could topple the whole structure.
• In a world of unprecedented chaos, Mark Kelly reminds us that courage is still the best defense.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Michael Popac (Host) · 11 min speaking
• Mark Kelly (Guest) · 2 min speaking
• Ben Meiselas (Host) · 2 min speaking

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

Companies & orgs

• Arnold & Porter — Company · 1 mention

Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 Seems like every moment is breaking news in the Trump administration and all of its scandals. And now we've got Senator Mark Kelly filing a new lawsuit against Pete Hegsth for his threats, no his censure letter against uh Senator Kelly, threatening to take away his rank, his service rank, threatening to court marshall him and take away his pension because he had the audacity to stand up as a member of Congress against an outofcontrol presidency, especially a senator who spent 85 years in the military, who is covered from head to toe with commenations and ribbons and medals for his service, for his more than 39 combat missions as a naval aviator, his more than four space shuttle missions, including as the commander of the last uh the last flying of the Endeavor and and somebody who is on and and this is the major focus here, who is on two major committees as the ranking member.

1:04 who is trying to provide oversight and reign in Donald Trump, the Armed Services Committee and the and the Intelligence Committee. And what we're watching is Donald Trump doing lawless things, uh, blowing people out of the water in the Caribbean without due process, invading Venezuela without appropriate congressional authority, a saber rattling to try to go after Iran and Cuba, the deployment illegally of the National Guard. These all fall within the supervisory and oversight powers of somebody like Mark Kelly. And so in Mark Kelly along with a series of other people in the national intelligence community and in the armed forces a few weeks ago sent out a video to remind people that they in the military that they should not and cannot under their constitutional oath cannot follow illegal unconstitutional orders. In fact, they have an obligation not to do that. That didn't sit well with the

2:03 Trump administration and Pete Hexath. And there we have the censure letter. But now with this new lawsuit filed in the District of Columbia, Mark Kelly, Senator Mark Kelly is demanding that a court, a federal court step in, declare Pete Hegsth's attempts to court Marshall and to go after Mark Kelly for war crimes. Or as Donald Trump put it, he should be hanged for telling people what is objectively true about military justice and military law, especially under the Nuremberg principle, which is you cannot follow illegal, illicit orders of a commander. Declare those actions unlawful. Stop them from happening. Vacating and set setting aside the censure letter. in joining, stopping and blocking the defendants from giving any effect to the defendants's action, including starting any criminal or administrative action and the like. Brought on behalf of Senator Kelly by a major law firm that is not bending the knee, Arnold and

3:08 Porter out of a combination of Newark, New Jersey, and Washington DC. I'm Michael Popach. You're on the Midas Touch Network and Legal AF. This is what we wake up to Monday in America. Trump's carnage of America. You know, we haven't even buried Renee Good yet for her murder by way of ICE agents. And already we've got Donald Trump going after the chairman of the Federal Reserve under a phony manufactured criminal investigation in order to get his way over uh over the economy as if getting his way over the economy so far has been working to his advantage. And then let's go after um the the heroes, the true heroes in this country. Mark Kelly should be president of the United States. He shouldn't be subject to a censure by Pete Hegsth who couldn't hold his jockstrap.

3:55 Major Pete Hegsth. Uh, I don't think so. So, let's dive in. You're here on the Midas Network and on Legal AF. Just to bring you up to speed, let me show you the video that led to the censure that now led to this lawsuit. This is a video including Mark Kelly along with many other people in Congress. Let's play the Let's play the clip.

4:15 I'm Senator Alyssa Sakin. Senator Mark Kelly, Representative Chris Deluzio, Congresswoman Maggie Goodlander,

4:22 Representative Chrissy Hulahan, Congressman Jason Crowe, I was a captain in the United States Navy,

4:26 former CIA officer, former Navy, former paratrooper and Army Ranger, former intelligence officer,

4:32 former Air Force. We want to speak directly to members of the military and the intelligence community

4:37 who take risks each day to keep Americans safe. We know you are under enormous stress and pressure right now.

4:43 Americans trust their military, but that trust is at risk. This administration is pitting our uniform military

4:49 and intelligence community professionals against American citizens like us. You all swore an oath

4:55 to protect and defend this Constitution. Right now, the threats to our Constitution aren't just coming from abroad,

5:00 but from right here at home. Our laws are clear. You can refuse illegal orders.

5:06 You can refuse illegal orders. You must refuse illegal orders. No one has to carry out orders that violate the law or our constitution. We know this is hard and that it's a difficult time to be a public servant.

5:18 But whether you're serving in the CIA, the Army or Navy, the Air Force, your vigilance is critical.

5:24 And know that we have your back because now more than ever, the American people need you. We need you to stand up for our laws,

5:31 our Constitution, and who we are as Americans. Don't give up. Don't give up. Don't give up. Don't give up the ship. Now, soon thereafter, Donald Trump went I'd say he went crazy, but I think he just is criminally insane as outlined on page 19 through 21 or 22 in the complaint, which I'll post on Legal AF Substack for our paid members. Here's how Donald Trump reacted to that video. After the video went up on November 19th and November 20th, Trump posted, "It's called sedicious behavior at the highest level. Each of these traders to our country, these are sitting members of Congress, should be arrested and put on trial. We won't have a country anymore. An example must be set.

6:16 He then posted, "This is really bad and dangerous to our country. Their words cannot be allowed to stand. Sedicious behavior for traders. Lock them up." Sedicious behavior punishable by death came an hour later. He then he then asked for the hanging of six Congress people on page 20 after somebody reposted a something a post calling for the hanging of six members. Trump agreed and said, "Hang them. Jo Washington would." He then went on and said, "The traitors that told the military to disobey my orders should be in jail, not roaming the fake news networks trying to explain themselves with a bunch of typos in there." And Mark Kelly has gone out, of course, publicly to defend himself. this letter or anything that Pete Hegth says or does to me is in no way going to affect the way I do my job and represent my constituents in the United States Senate. Ain't happening. So, you know, his option, you know, right now is he

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8:42 Now let me let me tell you what the lawsuit how it's framed and I think it's smartly done by Arnold and Porter. First, it's arguing that obviously Trump's going after Mark Kelly to try to chill his First Amendment expression, but more to the point, his legislative function, his speech and debate function as a member of the Senate. Not just any member, the ranking member on two major committees which are responsible for trying to reign in Donald Trump's lawless global attacks and and attacks within the United States. Armed Services Committee, Ranking Member Intelligence Committee, um, Armed Services Intelligence Committee, too. And so what he's trying to do is to get Mark Kelly to back off.

9:31 That's why they say in their complaints, the first time in history, how many times do we have to use that phrase to introduce something about Donald Trump, that a president has tried to use the threat of war crimes and hanging to try to chill the First Amendment and speech and debate privileges of a sitting member of Congress. Here's what they say on page three. The First Amendment forbids the government and its officials from punishing disfavored expression. That prohibition applies with particular force to legislators speaking on matters of public policy. As the Supreme Court held 60 years ago, the Constitution requires that legislators be given the widest latitude to express their views on issues of policy. The executive actions also trample on protections the Constitution singles out as essential to legislative independence. This is an attack on legislative independence just as it's an attack on the Federal

10:30 Reserve's independence by going after Jay Powell, the head of the Federal Reserve. Paragraph six. It appears that never in our nation's history has the executive branch imposed military sanctions on a member of Congress for engaging in disfavored political speech. Allowing that step would invert the constitutional structure by subordinating the legislative branch to executive discipline and chilling congressional oversight of the armed forces. The letter from HEGs um about foundational principles and about potential commission of war crimes uh squarely is everything that's within the legislative and oversight jurisdiction of the committees on which Senator Kelly serves and violates due process.

11:15 Let me read to you now from the statement from Senator Kelly. Here's what he had to say after filing this lawsuit. Pete Hegth is coming after what I earned through my 25 years of military service in violation of my rights as an American, as a retired veteran, and as a United States senator whose job it is to hold him and this or any administration accountable. His unconstitutional crusade against me sends a chilling message to every retired member of the military. If you speak out and say something that the president or def secretary of defense doesn't like, you will be censured, threatened with demotion, or even prosecuted. And of course, they have pensions that they're worried about as well. Every service member knows military rank is earned, not given. It's earned through the risks you take, the sacrifices you and your family make, the leadership you display, and the respect you earn from the

12:07 superiors who recommend you for promotion. From the moment I drove through the gates of Naval Air Station Pensacola in Florida, to when I was shot at over Iraq and Kuwait to when I landed Space Shuttle Endeavor on its last mission, I gave everything I had to this country and I earned my rank of captain United States Navy. Now, Pete Hgsth wants our longest serving military veterans to live with constant threat. That's not the way things work in the United States, and I won't stand for it. In 1986, at just 22, I took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution. I have fulfilled that oath every day, but I never expected that I would have to defend it against the Secretary of Defense or President. So today, I filed a lawsuit against the Secretary of Defense because there are few things as important as standing up for the rights of the very Americans who fought to defend our freedoms, Senator Mark Kelly.

13:02 For those that don't know his personal life story and history, besides what I let off the hottake with in his 25 years in the military, he's also the the husband of Gabby Gford. Gabby Gford, many people believe, would have been a senator, maybe alongside Mark Kelly. um if she had not been shot and not only maimed, disfigured, and suffered brain damage as a result of a shooting while she was campaigning for election uh in Congress and thinking about running for the Senate. Gabby Gford's still with us, of course, thank God, and works every day tirelessly on behalf of uh gun control and on victims of gun violence.

13:46 But to think that Pete Hegsth, who came off the Fox and Friends couch, who couldn't even crack the starting lineup of Fox and Friends, he was the weekend anchor. He was the guy that did the ball drop on New Year's Day, fresh from the hair and makeup trailer and from a stint in uh in Afghanistan, I believe, um where he never reached the level of captain and couldn't hold Mark Kelly's jockstrap, let alone challenge his patriotism. But more fundamentally, this case is up and running. as soon as it gets assigned to a judge and there's more developments in the case, I will bring it to your attention. But we know the Trump administration, they're going to fight back and fire back at at at Mark Kelly trying to suppress the vote of him and scare off all the other people that appeared in that video or anybody who plans on being in the next video. We'll continue to follow it here on the Midas Touch Network and Legal AF. Take a

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Michael Popac (Host), Mark Kelly (Guest), Ben Meiselas (Host).

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Senator Mark Kelly has filed a lawsuit against Pete Hegseth in response to a censure letter that threatened to strip Kelly's military rank and pension for criticizing the Trump administration's actions. The lawsuit underscores Kelly's commitment to oversight in his congressional role, particularly in the context of Trump's perceived illegal orders and military actions, while affirming the duty…

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The episode runs 16 min; the transcript is about 2,530 words in 29 timestamped sections.

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