Trump LOSES HIS MIND as Fed Chair REFUSES TO OBEY

What this episode is about

Federal Reserve Chairman Jay Powell firmly rejects attempts by Donald Trump to undermine the Fed's independence, asserting that he will not allow political influence over monetary policy. Powell's leadership is seen as crucial in maintaining economic stability amidst rising concerns over inflation and consumer confidence, especially faced with Trump's recent aggressive tactics against him and other officials.

Key takeaways

• Jay Powell's calm amidst Trump chaos is the Fed’s lifeboat; otherwise, we’d be adrift economically.
• Consumer confidence now rivals pandemic paranoia; people were more optimistic mask-clad than they are today.
• Rising oil prices are Trump’s legacy; saber-rattling with Iran fuels pump pain, not economic prosperity.
• The dollar's decline highlights a crisis of trust; gold’s shine reflects our fear of government currency.
• Despite tariffs, the trade deficit has flipped; ironic, isn’t it? Protectionism isn't protecting our economy.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Michael Popock (Host) · 13 min speaking
• Jay Powell (Guest) · 1 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 3:00: Donald Trump, Jay Powell, Legal AF, Michael Popock
2. 3:00 – 6:00: Donald Trump, USS Abraham Lincoln
3. 6:00 – 9:00: Mac Weldon, Legal AF, EU, Mexico
4. 9:00 – 12:00: Jay Powell
5. 12:00 – 14:34: Legal AF, Michael Popock

Notable quotes from "Trump LOSES HIS MIND as Fed Chair REFUSES TO OBEY"

• Global economy and our allies, has told them, Don't worry. For as long as I'm here as the chairman, I'm not going to allow Donald Trump to influence the Fed's independence.…

  about Jay Powell · at 0:15

• Confidence in the economy than they do right now under Donald Trump's stewardship. Is there any wonder the poll numbers are so bad against Donald Trump in terms of the economy?…

  about Donald Trump · at 2:38

• I'm gonna take you guys out. and Iran fired back and said, If you strike us again, we're going to retaliate in a way that you can't even contemplate. I'm putting it nicely. And the oil traders.

  about USS Abraham Lincoln · at 4:16

• After and attacked and demoralized and defamed our major trading partner, Canada. our major trading partner, Mexico, our major trading partner, EU, the economic union. When you…

  about Mexico · at 6:27

• Asssurance have never been more comfortable. Mac Weldon's Ace collection. Comfortable anywhere. Go to macweldon.com and get 20% off your first order of $125 or more with promo…

  about Mac Weldon · at 8:20

• The independence of it all. So, we'll continue to follow it here on the Midas Touch Network on Legal AF. Thanks for helping us build our Substack community for Legal AF and our…

  about Legal AF · at 13:44

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Jay Powell — Person · Referenced expert / central institutional figure · 4 mentions · first at 0:01
  Portrayed as the key actor defending Federal Reserve independence and stabilizing markets amid political pressure attributed to Donald Trump.
• Donald Trump — Person · Primary political antagonist (referenced) · 6 mentions · first at 0:01
  Depicted as attempting to influence or intimidate the Federal Reserve and as driving economic instability via tariffs, threats toward Iran, and pressure campaigns against Fed officials.
• Michael Popock — Person · Host / commentator (main speaker) · 2 mentions · first at 1:00
  Narrates and frames the segment’s argument about Fed independence, Trump’s alleged pressure tactics, and macroeconomic indicators; also delivers channel calls-to-action for Legal AF / Midas Touch Network.
  The independence of it all. So, we'll continue to follow it here on the Midas Touch Network on Legal AF. Thanks for helping us build our Substack community for Legal AF and our…
• Dr. Lisa Cook — Person · Referenced Fed official (supporting figure) · 1 mention · first at 0:43
  Mentioned as a target of alleged political pressure/attacks connected to efforts to influence the Federal Reserve; referenced alongside Supreme Court involvement in stopping those efforts.
  Renovation, going after Lisa Cook, got stopped and stymied there by the United States Supreme Court, all in an effort to try to get his hands on our money supply. And if that…

Companies & orgs

• Legal AF — Company · Business focus · 5 mentions · first at 1:10
  The podcast itself is part of the Legal AF network, mentioned multiple times as the platform for the discussion.
• Minus Touch Network — Company · Business focus · 1 mention · first at 1:10
  The podcast is part of the Midas Touch Network, mentioned as the platform for the discussion.
  And get control of interest rates, but not yet. Not without a fight about the independence of it all. So, we'll continue to follow it here on the Midas Touch Network on Legal…

Products & tech

• USS Abraham Lincoln — Product · Referenced work · 1 mention · first at 4:13
  Mentioned as part of the geopolitical tensions with Iran.

Places & events

• Mexico — Place · Setting · 1 mention · first at 6:34
  Mentioned as a major trading partner of the US, affected by trade policies discussed in the podcast.
• EU — Place · Setting · 1 mention · first at 6:36
  Mentioned as a major trading partner of the US, affected by trade policies discussed in the podcast.
  Partner, Canada. our major trading partner, Mexico, our major trading partner, EU, the economic union. When you take the economic union, and you take Canada, and you take…

Sponsors

• Mac Weldon — Company · Sponsor · 3 mentions · first at 7:03
  Promoted during the podcast with a discount code and detailed description of their products.

Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 The headline should read, "Federal Reserve Chairman Jay Powell tells Donald Trump to get his hands off the Federal Reserve and its independence for the second time in the last two weeks." Jay Powell speaking to the American public, speaking to the market, speaking to the global economy and our allies, has told them, "Don't worry. For as long as I'm here as the chairman, I'm not going to allow Donald Trump to influence the Fed's independence." That's the only thing that's the only thing that's keeping this Trump economy from burning up in the atmosphere is the stewardship, the navigation methods of J. Powell and the rest of the Federal Reserve. Donald Trump's tried to attack J. Pal, including bringing opening a criminal investigation into a building renovation, going after Lisa Cook, got stopped and stymied there by the United States Supreme Court, all in an effort to try to get his hands on our money

0:52 supply. And if that happens, God help us and thank God or whoever you pray or don't pray to that J Pal is not going anywhere. I'm Michael Popock using my Wall Street superpowers to bring it all together with you here about the Trump economics which in the last 48 hours has showed its true colors. You're here on the Midas Touch Network and on Legal AF. Take a moment and hit the subscribe buttons in both channels. J you know J Powell, you got to go light a candle for J Pal every day. And now with look at the numbers that he the turbulence created by Donald Trump that J Pal has to navigate through with the only thing at his disposal which is his calm demeanor, his brilliant economics uh and economic sense and his ability to control interest rates. He just decided along with the rest of the Federal Reserve open markets committee 12 members in majority not to do anything about rates. He's worried about

1:48 hyperinflation and superinflation, higher prices for you and he should be. Consumer confidence numbers. I've never seen these number. Well, nobody's ever seen these numbers for 14 years. You got to go back to 2012 and well before COVID to find the consumers as worried about and deciding to close up their purses and checkbooks and bank accounts and not spend. And that's a problem because our economy, the gross domestic product, a large portion of it is driven, one of the major engines, think of it as a twin engine plane. One of the major engines is consumer spending. And the consumer confidence index is a measure of whether people are going to continue to spend through 2026. And these numbers are worse than CO. Can you believe it?

2:31 People sitting around their houses scared out of their minds wearing triple masks were spending more. had more confidence in the economy than they do right now under Donald Trump's stewardship. Is there any wonder the poll numbers are so bad against Donald Trump in terms of the economy? He's underwater 30 points when it comes to favorable unfavorable on how he's handling the economy. 35 points on affordability, which is a key issue for the Democrats. Now, what is in the polling of consumer confidence that Jay Powell and the Federal Reserve are looking at? This is what's coming up in the survey.

3:05 worry and instability about tariffs, about trade, about health insurance, about war, about affordability, about groceries, electricity, and gas. And remember those those signs that were up at one point or people put up on social media because I thought they were being snarky and funny uh about uh I miss Donald Trump, I miss cheap gas, and mean tweets. Well, you're still getting the mean tweets, but say goodbye to the cheap gas because in the last 24 hours, we just had the report that oil has now dramatically skyrocketed. A barrel of oil is now up to $70. To put it in perspective, it was $58 in December.

3:43 That's a $12 increase. We're up over 3% already, which means you're going to pay more at the pump. I thought that's why people voted for Donald Trump. They wanted to see lower grocery prices, lower gas prices, and they blame the Biden administration for not doing it fast enough. It's worse under the Trump administration, and we all know it. And we all know it. So, oil up. Why? Because Donald Trump is saber rattling again, trying to flex whatever muscle he thinks he has against Iran. Iran, last chance. I'm sending in the USS Abraham Lincoln.

4:16 I'm gonna take you guys out. and Iran fired back and said, "If you strike us again, we're going to retaliate in a way that you can't even contemplate." I'm putting it nicely. And the oil traders are freaking out of what it's going to do to the oil market. So, when you take over the Venezuelan the Venezuelan oil fields, just so everybody knows, it didn't lead to a drop in oil prices. When you when you threaten Iran, you just destabilize the oil markets and oil is skyrocketing. pain at the pump for you and me courtesy of the president of the United States. How about the US dollar? How's that doing? Not great.

4:52 Whenever you hear about gold and gold price, people flooding into gold and gold now at record prices we've never seen twice, three times what it was a year or two ago. That is because people are looking for a safe haven. They don't believe in governmentissued currency. They don't believe in the US dollar. The dollar is down 2%. Again, one of the lowest, the weakest dollars we've ever seen. And that's not helping. You'd think it would be at least be helping imports and exports, people buying products, right? No. I thought the whole reason for the April Rose Garden summit about liberation day and to put 200 tariffs, meaning taxes on you and me, on countries around the world, including most of our or all of our allies. I thought that was to fix the trade deficit. The difference between what we sell out export and what we buy in import. Nope. Export imports now have had the worst number in the last year.

5:51 It flipped upside down. It doubled. So the amount of our exports, the amount that we're selling out of the country of our goods and services, agriculture, those kind of things is down 4%. Imports, the things we're buying are up. People are like, "Well, what about the tariffs?" Yeah, because the the the people who are supplying the incoming goods figured out a way to beat the tariffs, let's be frank, through logistics. They bring it into different ports with different ships with different flags. So, they figured out a way to beat it. Our allies figured out a way. And why are exports down? Because who's buying from us right now? We went after and attacked and demoralized and and uh and defamed our major trading partner, Canada. our major trading partner, Mexico, our major trading partner, EU, the economic union. When you take the economic union, and you take Canada, and you take Mexico out,

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9:25 tariff uh uh program that the Supreme Court is likely to tear down is that it's we're doing worse on import and export. Um then we turn to we got the dollar down, oil up, uh and now the Federal Reserve has looked at everything and said, "Yeah, we're not going to lower we're not going to lower interest rates again. We've done it three times in a row. We're worried about inflation." But the independence of the Federal Reserve and Jay Powell is the fight here. So here's Jay Powell talking about the independence of the Federal Reserve. Let's play it.

9:59 The point of of independence is not to protect policy makers or anything like that. It just is that every advanced economy democracy in the world has come around to this common practice. It's just an institutional arrangement that is that has served the people well and that is to to have a separation between uh to not have direct elected official control over the setting of monetary policy and the reason is that monetary policy can be used you know through an election cycle to to affect the economy in a way that will be politically worthwhile. So this isn't I'm not talking about the US context this is every advanced economy democracy of any size. So it's a it's a good practice.

10:42 It's pretty much everywhere among among countries that look at all like the United States. And I think if you lose that um it's first of all it will be hard to restore the credibility of the institution. If people lose their faith that we're we're we're making decisions, you know, only on the basis of our of our assessment of what's best for for everyone for for the wide public rather than trying to benefit one group or another. If you lose that, it's going to be hard to retain it. And we we haven't lost it. I I don't believe we will. I certainly hope we won't. But it's very important. And the reason it's important is that it's enabled central banks generally not to be perfect, but to serve the public well. Now, this is the second time that J. Powell has fought back against Trump administration. Three weeks ago, we saw a late night video where again Jay Powell came out swinging after it it it leaked that there was a

11:35 criminal investigation against the Fed and against him because they're renovating 200-year-old buildings and they're running they're running uh uh they're running over budget. No surprise after COVID there's something called, you know, increase in supply chain costs related to construction, you know, and and the rest. And so he fought back. Remember that video clip? Let's play that.

11:59 On Friday, the Department of Justice served the Federal Reserve with grand jury subpoenas, threatening a criminal indictment related to my testimony before the Senate Banking Committee last June. That testimony concerned in part a multi-year project to renovate historic Federal Reserve office buildings. But this unprecedented action should be seen in the broader context of the administration's threats and ongoing pressure. The threat of criminal charges is a consequence of the Federal Reserve setting interest rates based on our best assessment of what will serve the public rather than following the preferences of the president.

12:35 This is about whether the Fed will be able to continue to set interest rates based on evidence and economic conditions or whether instead monetary policy will be directed by political pressure or intimidation. Public service sometimes requires standing firm in the face of threats. I will continue to do the job the Senate confirmed me to do with integrity and a commitment to serving the American people. So, we have the extraordinary situation where the outgoing Federal Reserve chairman who's who's leaving in 3 months is telling the public, is telling the Supreme Court, is telling the world, don't give up on the American economy. This madman will be out at some point and I'm not going to give up on the independence of the Federal Reserve.

13:21 and and give him uh the ability to oust people he doesn't like. Now, eventually Trump will may get enough seats on the Federal Reserve seven seat board of governors to take control of the Federal Reserve, fire all of the Federal Reserve regional president, bank presidents and and get control of interest rates, but not yet. Not without a fight uh about the independence of it all. So, we'll continue to follow it here on the Midas Touch Network on Legal AF. Thanks for helping us build our Substack community for Legal AF and our Legal AF YouTube community. So until my next report, I'm Michael Pop. Can't get your fill of legal AF? Me neither. That's why we formed the Legal AF Substack. Every time we mention something in a hot take, whether it's a court filing or a oral argument. Come over to the Substack.

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Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "Trump LOSES HIS MIND as Fed Chair REFUSES TO OBEY"?

Michael Popock (Host), Jay Powell (Guest).

What is "Trump LOSES HIS MIND as Fed Chair REFUSES TO OBEY" about?

Federal Reserve Chairman Jay Powell firmly rejects attempts by Donald Trump to undermine the Fed's independence, asserting that he will not allow political influence over monetary policy. Powell's leadership is seen as crucial in maintaining economic stability amidst rising concerns over inflation and consumer confidence, especially faced with Trump's recent aggressive tactics against him and…

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How long is "Trump LOSES HIS MIND as Fed Chair REFUSES TO OBEY"?

The episode runs 15 min; the transcript is about 2,518 words in 20 timestamped sections.

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