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Trump makes Lutnick FALL GUY in EPSTEIN DUMP?!!

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Trump makes Lutnick FALL GUY in EPSTEIN DUMP?!!", an episode of MeidasTouch published February 2, 2026 (21 min, about 3,482 words). It mentions 12 people, works and ideas, including Howard Lutnick, Donald Trump, Leslie Grath, Elon Musk, Miranda Divine.

What this episode is about

The recent release of documents from the Epstein files has implicated Howard Lutnick in multiple interactions with Jeffrey Epstein, directly contradicting his claims of no contact since 2005. Detailed communications between Lutnick and Epstein reveal a pattern of coordination for trips and business dealings, undermining Lutnick's public narrative and raising questions about his credibility.

Key takeaways

  • Howard Lutnik's narrative crumbles under scrutiny; even his closest ties can't save him from the truth.
  • In the world of Epstein, 'No contact since 2005' becomes a new punchline for denial.
  • Emails reveal a twisted camaraderie, proving Lutnik's denials are as unreal as Epstein's island.
  • Lutnik and Epstein's relationship was anything but casual; from nannies to dinners, the comfort is alarming.
  • Amidst his denials, Lutnik's emails unravel a web of hypocrisy—who's really the fall guy here?

Who speaks in this episode?

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 5:00: Howard Lutnick, Miranda Divine, Donald Trump, David Ratner
  2. – 10:00: Leslie Grath, Caner Fitzgerald, Miranda Divine, Marcy Larman
  3. – 15:00: Donald Trump, Miranda Divine
  4. – 20:00: Donald Trump, Elon Musk, Governor Gavin Newsom
  5. – 21:10: Steve Tisch

Notable quotes from "Trump makes Lutnick FALL GUY in EPSTEIN DUMP?!!"

  • Now we know is 100% false. Like everything else that spews out of Howard Lutnik's mouth. So Howard Lutnik described what he claimed was his first and only interaction with Jeffrey Epste.
    about Howard Lutnick · at
  • Involved with Epstein and make him the face of the regime's closeness with Epstein. However, the regime and Donald Trump appear over and over again in the Epstein files. But…
    about Donald Trump · at
  • Thank you. And this was in response to Jeffrey Epstein writing to someone named John Pollson on November 8th, 2017 saying $50,000 from me. Hope PR is okay. He gave $50,000 to an event where Howard Lutnik.
    about John Pollson · at
  • Located? What is the exact location for my captain? Does Sunday evening for dinner sound good? I have another couple, Michael and Marcy Larman, with me on my boat. And each of…
    about Marcy Larman · at
  • Nannies. How about this email right here? December 21st, 2012 and December 20th, 2012. you have Howard Lutnik to Leslie Grath, who's Epstein's assistant. Okay, lunch on Sunday.…
    about Leslie Grath · at
  • Jesse Waters on state regime media which calls it Cellf Fox and Howard Lutnik starts attacking California Governor Gavin Newsome because Gavin Newsome says we're handing out…
    about Governor Gavin Newsom · at
  • Witness as well. Also, when people talk about the Cabal, this is a real email from Elon Musk to Jeffrey Epstein during that same period of time when Howard Lutnik was going to…
    about Elon Musk · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • Howard Lutnick — Person · Primary referenced subject (accused/criticized) · 2 mentions · first at
    Central figure discussed as allegedly misrepresenting the extent of his interactions with Jeffrey Epstein; the episode cites emails and an interview clip to argue inconsistency.
  • Donald Trump — Person · Referenced political figure (implicated/criticized in discussion) · 6 mentions · first at
    Mentioned as appearing in the 'Epstein files' and in an FBI-email excerpt read by the host; also referenced via Lutnik claiming Trump knows his 'one and done' story.
  • Leslie Grath — Person · Referenced assistant/intermediary in emails · 2 mentions · first at
    Named as Epstein’s assistant in email chains coordinating logistics for a lunch/visit; used as documentary-style support for ongoing contact.
  • Elon Musk — Person · Referenced public figure (alleged correspondent in files) · 2 mentions · first at
    Cited via an email the host reads as being from Musk to Epstein about 'wildest parties' on Epstein’s island; used to broaden the alleged network of contacts.
  • Miranda Divine — Person · Referenced journalist/interviewer · 4 mentions · first at
    Appears as the interviewer in a clip where Lutnik denies post-2005 interactions with Epstein; used as contrast against the emails cited by the host.
    Professional, not a personal interaction, no interactions. And recently, Howard Letic gave an interview with Miranda Divine from the New York Post where Howard Letic spewed…
  • David Ratner — Person · Referenced email sender (event organizer/administrator) · 1 mention · first at
    Appears as the sender of an email thanking Epstein for a donation 'in honor of Howard Lutnik' and asking about an ad/table—supporting the episode’s philanthropy-contact claim.
    Hi Jeffrey, many thanks for your incredible donation in honor of Howard Lutnik. Would you like to take an ad and offer your own words of congratulations and our commemorative journal? Are you.
  • Steve Tisch — Person · Referenced business figure (alleged participant in emails) · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned as an NFL owner (New York Giants) in the host’s description of emails discussing a 'young Ukrainian woman' and whether she is a 'pro or a civilian.'
    Were all involved in helping Trump the first time getting Kaepernick on and all that. Well, this is a NFL owner of the New York Giants, Steve Tish, who talks about a young…
  • Governor Gavin Newsom — Person · Referenced political figure (target of Lutnik criticism) · 2 mentions · first at
    Mentioned as the subject of a Lutnik media clip where Lutnik mocks Newsom’s 'knee pads' remark; used to characterize Lutnik’s rhetoric.
  • Marcy Larman — Person · Referenced associate (travel companion named in email) · 1 mention · first at
    Named alongside Michael Larman in Lutnik’s email to Epstein; supports the episode’s claim of social/family-adjacent planning.
  • Michael Larman — Person · Referenced associate (travel companion named in email) · 1 mention · first at
    Named by Lutnik in an email to Epstein as part of a couple traveling with children on a boat, used to show familiarity and planning beyond 2005.
    Located? What is the exact location for my captain? Does Sunday evening for dinner sound good? I have another couple, Michael and Marcy Larman, with me on my boat. And each of…
  • John Pollson — Person · Referenced email recipient (unclear identity in transcript) · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned as the recipient of an Epstein message about a $50,000 contribution; functions as a node in the donation/email chain cited by the host.

Companies & orgs

  • Caner Fitzgerald — Company · Referenced business · 2 mentions · first at
    Mentioned as the location where Howard Lutnik invited Jeffrey Epstein to a Hillary Clinton fundraiser.
    Know that would be great and CC seed here or the time that Howard Lutnik invited Jeffrey Epstein to a Hillary Clinton fundraiser at Caner Fitzgerald in 2015 when Howard Lutnik…

Full transcript with timestamps

Howard Lutnik deserved this. Howard Lutnik has been utterly exposed in the recent release of a substantial portion of the Epstein files. Still, a substantial portion of the Epstein files remain missing, but a good deal of documents was produced on Friday, and Howard Lutnik's name appeared over and over again. Howard Lutnik and representatives on Lutnik's behalf were sending messages to Jeffrey Epstein and representatives on behalf of Jeffrey Epstein coordinating trips to Epstein's island. Epstein was donating money to award ceremonies where Howard Lutnik received awards. They were having business interactions with each other.

They were describing who their nannies were on emails with each other and with each other's representatives. And it seemed that they knew each other fairly well and had consistent interactions. But you see, Howard Lutnik, like the liar that he is, had continued to tell the public that he's had no interactions with Jeffrey Epstein since 2005. And as Howard Lutnik tells the story, which we now know is an utter lie, he says that he and Jeffrey Epstein lived right next to each other in New York City. That part is true. Everything else after that now we know is 100% false. Like everything else that spews out of Howard Lutnik's mouth. So Howard Lutnik described what he claimed was his first and only interaction with Jeffrey Epste.

Lutnik said that Epste comes over, invites Lutnik to show up at Epstein's townhouse. That Lutnik shows up and Epstein shows Lutnik the massage table and Lutnik says, "Oh, this is gross." Lutnik says he leaves immediately, goes home and tells his wife, "This Jeffrey Epstein guy is a creep. He's disgusting." And then Howard Lutnik says, "Since that one interaction in 2005, I had no interaction with that disgusting human being. Not a professional, not a personal interaction, no interactions." And recently, Howard Letic gave an interview with Miranda Divine from the New York Post where Howard Letic spewed those lies over and over again. And now when we see the files that were released on Friday, we know what we suspected before that that was an utter lie cuz everything Letic says is a total lie.

So, first let me just show you the portion of the interview with Miranda Divine where Howard Lutnik says, "I've never seen that creepy guy ever again. That disgusting guy, he says it like that since 2005." Watch this clip. Let's play it. That I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again. So, I was never in the room with him socially, for business, or even philanthropy. If that guy was there, I wasn't going cuz he's gross. All right. Now, let's go through some of the emails that were released on Friday.

So, there are some who suspect that Howard Lutnik maybe is the fall guy in these Epstein files. Maybe the plan right here is to put Howard Lutnik out front and center as somebody who was involved with Epstein and make him the face of the regime's uh closeness with Epstein. However, the regime and Donald Trump appear over and over again in the Epstein files. But first, let's take a look at this email right here. This is an email from David Ratner to Jeffrey Epstein. And here's what it says. This email is from November 14th, 2017.

Hi Jeffrey, many thanks for your incredible donation in honor of Howard Lutnik. Would you like to take an ad and offer your own words of congratulations and our commemorative journal? Are you able to join us at the event itself on December 11th? And would you like a table inclusive of your generosity? Thank you. And this was in response to Jeffrey Epstein writing to someone named John Pollson on November 8th, 2017 saying "$50,000 from me. Hope PR is okay." He gave $50,000 to an event where Howard Lutnik was being honored at. How about this email right here dated December 19th, 2012 through December 20th of 2012?

Remember Howard Lutnik said that he had no communications with Epstein at all cuz he said Epstein was disgusting and he claimed he had no interaction since 2005. Well, let's take a look. Howard Lutnik email dated December 19th, 2012. Hi Jeff, we are landing in St. Thomas early Saturday afternoon and planning to head over to St. Bart's Angua Angua on Monday at some point. Where are you located? What is the exact location for my captain? Does Sunday evening for dinner sound good? I have another couple, Michael and Marcy Larman, with me on my boat. And each of us has four children, two 16s, two 14s, a 13, a 12, an 11, and a seven-year-old. Thanks, Howard. And then there's a response right here. Jeffrey Epstein to his assistant Leslie Grath. December 19th.

Come Saturday or Sunday lunch, little St. James on the map behind Christmas Cove. Then Leslie Grove responds, "FYI, I will let you know what he says." She's going to be reaching out on his behalf to Howard Lutnik about coming to the island and seeing Jeffrey Epstein. How about this email right here, October 3rd, 2013, where you have Jeffrey Epstein to a guy by the name of Richard Khan. It is a resume of Howard Lutnik's nanny. Attached is the resume of Lutnik's nanny. I'm trying to arrange a time via Peter for you to meet her.

That's apparently how close they were. They were talking about each other's nannies. How about this email right here? December 21st, 2012 and December 20th, 2012. Um, you have Howard Lutnik to Leslie Grath, who's Epstein's assistant. Okay, lunch on Sunday. See you then. Then Leslie Grath to Matthew Lutnik. Seems like a family affair here. Hi, Matthew and Candace. Might you be able to give redacted a few more details regarding lunch this Sunday? Do you know if it will just be Howard and his wife? Any kids coming along? Will they arrive at Jeffrey Epstein's island via their boat? and around what time is good for them. If you could pass along when you know that would be great and CC seed here or the time that Howard Lutnik invited Jeffrey Epstein to a Hillary Clinton fundraiser at Caner Fitzgerald in 2015 when Howard Lutnik purported to be a Democrat. But Howard Lutnik's entire life is being a phony and it's

just about proximity to power and he was positioning himself to get a position of power and also it appears to deal with issues of his dark past as well. Take a look right here. November 3rd, 2015. This is from Howard Lutnik. I would like to invite you, this is to Epstein's people. I would like to invite you to attend a very intimate fundraising event with Hillary Clinton from 5:30 p.m. to 6:30 p.m. at Caner Fitzgerald's office on November 1st. Please RSVP again. Howard Lutnik to Jeffrey Epstein right there. So now there are stories like this. Howard Lutnik visited Epstein Island new releases show. But it's important to remember that Howard Lutnik is a complete and utter liar. I showed you the smaller portion of that clip earlier in this video. Let me share with you here when Howard Lutnik speaks with Miranda Divine. And here Howard Lutnik talks about that interaction in 2005.

And watch what a sociopath is as he lies through his teeth. Watch the ease with which he lies and how he almost enjoys it. It's quite disgusting to watch. Here, play this clip.

He was your neighbor for 10 years. How well did you know him? All right. So, we are in number 11 and he lives in number nine,

right? So, uh we renovate, we buy our house and our house is pigeons and mice, right?

Okay. That's it was derelct, right? So, we build we rebuild our house. We move in in 2005.

Okay. Jeffrey Epste is arrested in like 08, I think, or something like that. Right. Right.

So, knock on the door. His assistant on like a Saturday says, "Mr. Epstein, uh, your neighbor would like to invite you over for coffee.

So my wife and I go next door, you know, we walk the seven steps. Yes. Right. To the next house for for coffee. We share a wall.

Right. Right. So it's in New York City. So he invites us in. We have coffee in this. And he says, "Do you want a tour?"

We said, "Great." Interesting. He's got a really big house. Every room you went into,

he's got he's got Well, I'll tell you. So his house is like super big, really wide. And uh so he gives me a tour in the living room. Big living room. And then across from it is double doors. I assume it's the dining room.

Yeah. And he opens the doors and there's a massage table in the middle of the room

and candles all around and stuff. So I ask very insightful cutting questions. I say to him, "Massage table in the middle of your house. how often you have a massage and he says every day. And then he like gets like weirdly close to me

and he says and the right kind of massage. Now my wife is standing here. So she looks at me and I look at her and we say, "I'm sorry. We have to go." And we left. And in the six or eight steps it takes to get from his house to my house, my wife and I decided that I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again.

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Give your hair the upgrade it's been waiting for. And here's more on Howard Lutnik talking about Epstein about how gross the guy is. And so Miranda Divine asks him. She's the reporter from the New York Post. So why do people like Bill Gates and all these other people hang out around him? Howard Lutnik gives an explanation. But maybe are you telling on yourself, Howard Lenick? Because you were hanging out with Epstein at the same time you're talking about others hanging out with Epstein. Here, play this clip.

I mean, that's an incredible story that you could pick up that he was a pervert.

It's gross. That guy's gross. I'm right with my wife. He's g the guy's gross. This was not the deep nuance of Howard Lutick. This guy's gross,

right? So, how come Bill Gates and all these other people could hang around him and not see what you saw?

Or did they see it and ignore it or No, they participated, right? That's what his MO was. You know, get a massage. Get a massage. And what happened in that massage room, I assume, was on video. This guy was the greatest black mailer ever. Blackmailed people. That's how he had money. So,

so what happened to those videos? Why is there now such a der of information when you know Donald Trump's people are running the FBI and the DOJ?

I assume way back when Mhm. they traded those videos in exchange for him getting that 18month sentence which allowed him to have visits and be out of jail. I mean, he's a serial sex offender. M

how could he get 18 months and be able to go to his office during the day and have visitors and stuff?

It must have been a trade. So my assumption not I have no knowledge. But my assumption is there was a trade for the videos because there were people on those videos.

And have you talked to Donald Trump about this and shared your theory? No. I mean he knows the story,

right? But like my story that you know I was the one and done with the guy. He knows that story. But that's it. And now, if you watch some of Howard Lutnik's recent interviews about other topics, you start to see, and I think you knew already, just what a absolute sicko this guy is. And I know you're like, "Ben, we knew that already." But I think this gives it additional context right here. Like here's the recent interview he gave with Jesse Waters on state regime media which calls it Cellf Fox and Howard Lutnik starts attacking California Governor Gavin Newsome because Gavin Newsome says we're handing out knee pads for all of the Trump bootlickers. And Lutnik's like, "Oh my god, that guy's talking about sex toys and knee pads." Sex toys and knee-aps. You see what's going on in Lutnik's mind right there? Here, play this clip. So Nome's over there and he's posturing, you know, he's throwing

around knee pads. Uh you're sitting there with the president of the United States. I mean, is is he tolerating this? Are you guys laughing about this? What's going on with this governor? He's literally laughing. I mean, he's like, you can't believe it, right? I mean, you just can't believe that this guy's going to run for president and he's actually commenting about sex toys and and knee pads. I mean, you can't believe it. It's it's outrageously entertaining. And so the president just has to laugh because what else can you do? You're not going to just, you know, you know, the president, he's not going to just shake his head. He's like, he's just cracking up going, I can't believe this guy.

I wouldn't be holding up a knee pad if I were running for president. Uh and then recently when Howard Lutnik was at Davos and he was sitting on a panel with other uh world foreign affairs ministers and leaders, Howard Lutnik was showing what a predator he is. Here, play this clip.

Can I bring you back to Greenland? No, it's it's unnecessary. It's it's the Western Hemisphere is vital for the United States of America. Our national security people are on it and they care about it. And I'm going to leave it to them to address with our allies, with our friends, and with everyone how they work it out. But the Western Hemisphere matters to the United States of America. And the United States of America, as I've just articulated, really, really matters to the world. When America shines, the world shines, because they all need to make sure America is strong and powerful to take care of them. God forbid. And so I think America and the Western Hemisphere are vital to America.

And I'm going to leave that to my national security people to address. Right. The rest of us, I think, are finding it harder to make that kind of separation. Clearly,

and here's how bizarre he is about Donald Trump whenever he does these interviews on state regime media or otherwise, he'll always be like, "And Donald Trump is so strong. He's the strongest man I know." And here, play this clip.

And did he let you sleep on the ride home on Air Force One? I slept for an hour. I did. I slept for one I slept for one hour. There's He is the strongest He is the strongest human being that I know. I mean, you know, he wear he can wear me out and I tell you, I've got plenty of energy and he just works and works and works. It is a pleasure to be

Well, go get some sleep, Secretary. Uh, I think you guys need it. Great job over there. And this fight with China continues. It's a battle. Thank you.

Okay. Well, birds of a feather. This was from the Epstein files that were released on Friday. Um, and these are allegations in a email that is titled Epstein cellmade interviews. And this is an email from different FBI agents to each other. And here's what the FBI agents say about Trump in an email that says cellmate interview Trump. It says Jane Doe stated Epstein introduced her to Trump who subsequently forced her head down to his exposed penis which is subsequently bite bitten. I think it's his bite. In response, Trump punched her in the head and kicked her out. Jane Doe remembers Epste introduced her to Trump saying, "This is a good one, huh?" And Trump responded, "Yeah, the this is a good one, huh?" that came out in the g the Gilane Maxwell trial with a Jane Doe witness as well. Also, when people talk about the Cabal, this is a real email from Elon Musk to Jeffrey Epstein during that same period of time when Howard

Lutnik was going to the island or talking about going to the island. This is from Elon Musk. What day and night will the wildest parties take place on your island? What day and night will the wildest party be on your island? Was that the night that Lutnik was heading there as well? And then you have Elon Musk denying that Epstein went to SpaceX, but it clearly appears that he went from these emails. And then talk about the cabal. You know how Donald Trump's very close with all these NFL owners and the NFL owners, you know, were all involved in helping Trump the first time getting Kaepernick on and all that. Well, this is a NFL owner of the New York Giants, Steve Tish, who talks about a young Ukrainian woman, and asks if she's a pro or a civilian. And they talk about uh, you know, Epstein facilitating uh, young Ukrainian girl or woman for Tish. It's absolutely grotesque. What's in here? This is the

crew. Do you see that? This isn't speculation anymore. These are the people. I'm just reading you what the emails say. And we know that there's still three to four million emails and documents that are still missing that have not been turned over. That's a cabal right there. And it seems that Lutnik is having a lot of explaining to do right now. Let me know what you think. Hit subscribe. Help us get to 6 million. Thanks for watching. The truth is more important than ever. Check out our new truth over lies collection at store.midestouch.com.

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Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "Trump makes Lutnick FALL GUY in EPSTEIN DUMP?!!"?

Howard Lutnik, Miranda Divine (Guest), Ben (Guest).

What is "Trump makes Lutnick FALL GUY in EPSTEIN DUMP?!!" about?

The recent release of documents from the Epstein files has implicated Howard Lutnick in multiple interactions with Jeffrey Epstein, directly contradicting his claims of no contact since 2005. Detailed communications between Lutnick and Epstein reveal a pattern of coordination for trips and business dealings, undermining Lutnick's public narrative and raising questions about his credibility.

What is mentioned in this MeidasTouch episode?

12 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Howard Lutnick, Donald Trump, Leslie Grath, Elon Musk, Miranda Divine, Caner Fitzgerald. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Trump makes Lutnick FALL GUY in EPSTEIN DUMP?!!"?

The episode runs 21 min; the transcript is about 3,482 words in 48 timestamped sections.

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