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Human-Centric AI: Why Humans Matter in the Age of AI with Dara Ladjevardian

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Human-Centric AI: Why Humans Matter in the Age of AI with Dara Ladjevardian", an episode of Mick Unplugged Podcast published January 3, 2026 (24 min, about 4,775 words). It mentions 2 people, works and ideas, including Deli AI.

What this episode is about

This discussion centers on the significance of human-centric AI and the potential of digital minds as valuable intellectual property. CEO Dara Ladjevardian shares his journey in creating Deli AI, a platform designed to enhance mentorship and preserve personal wisdom for future generations, emphasizing the importance of human connection in the evolving landscape of artificial intelligence.

Key takeaways

  • Your digital mind is a hidden treasure trove; leverage it before someone else does.
  • Imagine mentoring your descendants—your insights could outlive you, thanks to AI.
  • Deli AI isn’t just tech; it’s a bridge connecting knowledge across generations.
  • Forget static knowledge; adaptiveness in learning is the future of mentorship.
  • In a sea of generic AI, personal connection is the life raft we need.

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What is discussed, and when

  1. – 5:00: Deli AI, Mick Unplugged
  2. – 20:00: Deli AI
  3. – 23:39: Deli AI, Mick Unplugged

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    Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another exciting episode of Mick Unplugged. And today I have one of my friends, someone whose product I've been using for close to a year that has changed my life. And we're going to talk about how it can.

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You have more intellectual property than you actually know. No pun intended. Your digital mind is probably your biggest asset that you don't even realize. Talk about being able to provide information and insights and have conversations with your great great great grandchildren. Did you know you could do that today? Today I'm honored to have one of my really good friends and someone whose product is a key pillar into all of my businesses. Dra, the CEO of Deli AI, changing the game in good AI and agentic AI. This conversation, we talk about his journey and why he created this. We talk about the legacy he is trying to leave behind.

And at the end, we're going to talk about some really cool things you can do to get access to Deli AI right now. So, buckle up. This is a great conversation about all things AI and human connection with my good friend Dra.

This is make unplugged. Let us uncover the because that thing that drives you. That thing that fuels you. I'm ready. If you are, let's go. Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to another exciting episode of Mick Unplugged. And today I have one of my friends, someone whose product I've been using for close to a year that has changed my life. And we're going to talk about how it can change yours. So from building his first AI startup and selling it in just eight months to creating Deli, a platform that captures your mind and scales your wisdom, he is redefining mentorship, including mine for the digital age. Get ready to meet the visionary, the profound, one of the brightest minds that I know, Mr. Dravarian.

It's great to be here, dude. I am honored to have you on. We met about a year ago when I had this this problem, right? I was like, Dra, man, like AI and digital mind and cloning is all great. I don't know how to get it out there. I don't know what to do. And you were like, well, Mick, guess what I created? And you showed me this platform. And I've been hooked ever since. But I want to talk about obviously the platform. But before we get there, dude, I want to talk about your purpose. That thing that's deeper than your why. I call it your because, right? that reason that gets you out of bed, that keeps you motivated, that holds you accountable.

So, if I were to say, Dara, man, in 2025, what's your because? Well, I think to explain my because, I have to explain how I got here. Uh, my because is a is a history of many things that has led me to where I am today. You know, growing up, uh, my parents immigrated from Iran. You know, my my dad had me working out of his office at 11 years old. You know, he believed like you got to work early. you got to, you know, build a work ethic. And I remember my grandfather who was this larger than-l life guy before the Iranian revolution, he had 30,000 employees. He was, you know, one of the largest business owners in the country, but then he was put on the hit list and he had to start in the US from scratch. And I remember being an 11-year-old coming to this office and there's this 86-year-old guy who's at the office before me and leaves the office after me and he has like more energy than me as like a kid.

And I think that just really imprinted an impression on me on how work didn't have to be something that you're stressed about all the time, but rather something that you could be excited about and excited about the opportunities you give for others. And you know, fast forward in 2021 when I'm starting my first company and I have no mentors, I picked up a book about my grandfather's life in Iran and I was reading it and I was like, "Wow, like I I wish I could ask him questions, but but by that time he had had a stroke. So I couldn't ask him directly myself and I ended up creating a digital version of him that I could talk to and as someone who didn't have mentors at the time to be able to get that like real time information that's personalized to me from someone that I respected and trusted that meant a lot and you know that startup got acquired and now I'm trying to make that experience available

for everyone. Amazing man like I didn't know that story. You didn't know it's it's my why. It's my because

Yeah, I I love that. And you know, we've had so many conversations and and obviously selfishly I didn't want to to ask you because I knew I'd ask you on the podcast, but I didn't know the depth of that, man. And so what you're doing with Deli um is beyond compare. And I told you when I met you, right, like I I looked at a few services and platforms, but Deli felt like home. and you're continuously improving and and staying ahead of the curve. Why is that mission continuously important for you?

Yeah, I think with my grandfather's experience, it got me thinking about the ways in which we learn from other people. You know, we can read books, watch YouTube videos, look at a website, but none of these things adapt to us. We change all the time. Knowledge stays static. And so, I thought, could we create a new form of media? You know, these are all forms of media that allow you to scale yourself, that allows people to scale their time in a way that's interactive. Um, and many studies have shown that the best way to actually learn something or engage with an idea is through conversation. Most people don't have access to people, either because they're too expensive or because there's just no time. You can only be in one place at one time. So, we started Deli before chat GPT. And at the time, the big why was I would be a user of this product. like I there's so many people that I want to learn from. But

then what also became why as Chad GPT and Clot proliferated. I just began to see there's all this generic information on a lot of these AI tools. And I think we trust humans like we read books over reading Wikipedia pages. We follow people on Twitter versus, you know, reading the spark notes. And I think as chat GBT is teaching people to consume information through conversation, we'll go back to our roots of wanting to consume information through conversation with actual people. So I view Deli as a very, you know, we're not automating humans.

We're putting AI in power in the hands of humans. That's awesome, dude. That's awesome. And for everybody that's listening that's watching, this entire episode right now is sponsored by Deli, just so you know. So we're gonna have clickable links everywhere. we're going to have things rolling like definitely it is the product that not just me but my team my companies use more than anything I mean the fact that you can build closed source information to only your data set or your information lake as we like to call it to have conversations to build your company best practices and ask it questions because Dar here's what I know most companies are struggling to recruit retrain and retain modern employees, right? Who and and that doesn't mean age. That just means we all as humans have modernized, right? Like if I have a question, forget if I'm at work, if I have a question going online, I'm going

to Chad GBT, I'm going to del I'm going somewhere to find the answer and I want the answer, right? Like I don't want to have to research it. I don't want to have to click through 15 file folders to figure out where this document is and then interpret the document. So if that's how I'm doing outside of work, inside of work, I should be able to do the same thing. And Deli has allowed us to do that, right? Again, we can take what used to be Google folders or those that are on Microsoft or SharePoint and all that, we just build it in Deli now, right? We we've built our own digital mind, our digital SOP. We can ask questions. If we need a specific document, we can ask the right trigger and get that specific document brought back. So my question for you, Dar, is this. Did you know that you were going to change not just how individuals work, but did you have this idea that you were also going to change how businesses

could evolve as well? It came as I grew as a CEO and I realized how much I myself needed to scale. you know so many customers wanting my time team members wanting my way of thinking about things and that's when I started to become a user of the product from the other side where actually my digital mind is now making customers happy talking to new customers people who want to work for my company will talk to my deli and it'll let me know if they're good for company culture we just created a new culture deck and I added it to my deli specifically the version that my team has access to so that you know culture is what people do when you're not in the room and So when I'm not in the room now, my deli can help also make people make better decisions. So that's been that's been great as a user of the product myself.

Yeah. Yeah. So with the rise of AI and AI generated content, talk to the viewers and listeners about how Deli has differentiated itself from other platforms.

Yeah, I think from the beginning again we started before Chat GBT. We never started this company to be some AI opportunistic startup. We started it to solve a problem, a very human problem. And that has kind of grounded the entire journey. You know, we only let you create a digital version of yourself. You own all your data. We're not training models on your data. And then also, how can we actually make this useful versus it just being like a shiny object. So, I think, you know, utility and being human first have really been the the things that have driven our product roadmap up until now.

Yeah. And you know, again, when you and I talk as much as we do, and we talk a lot offline, it's very clear that you care about the human interaction, the the ethical ways that your product is used. Talk to us about why the human viewpoint being humanentric is at the core of who Deli is.

Yeah, I mean, I think technology changes so fast, but humans don't change as fast. There are certain things about humanity that say the same. Whether it's our ambition, our trust in other human beings. You know, you have AI that is better than the best chess player in the world. We still watch human chess players. Why is that? Because, you know, they have they have lived experience. And also, at the same time, I think AI is freaking people out. You know, a lot of people's life work is now just getting consumed by some of these models. So, at Deli, we think you should be able to own your IP. You should be able to own what makes you unique, which is your mind. And you should control who has access to that. You should control the rules. It's your model. It's your mind. It's your rules. So, I just want to be on the right side of history. And I think a lot is going to change. Humans still matter in a post AGI world. That's

kind of the bet we're making as a company that if if that statement is wrong or humans don't matter, then deli is not going to succeed.

I love it. So, let's let's add on to that. You you say things are going to change or AI tech societyy's going to change. What are some of the changes that you think are going to be happening soon?

Yeah. So, I try not to think about what changes are happening today, but like where is the puck inevitably going? Like,

on the other side of all this acceleration, what is what is it going to be? You're going to have an AI model that is pretty much smarter than the collective of every human being on the planet. It is in your pocket. It's really, really fast. It's pretty much free. It can take actions for you on your behalf. And I worked backwards from there. I was like, what matters in that world? Mhm. And you know a lot of people will say like oh you know all jobs will be automated but again I think one of those core things about human nature is that we the reason you like reading a book is because there is a human with a lived experience on the other side. It is something inherently psychological to to place trust in something that comes from from a human. And when information is abundant when you have pretty much infinite information at your fingertips what you want is curation and trust. Uh, and you know when I like when I talked

to my grandfather's deli, it wasn't like I was hearing any new information. It was the fact that I was hearing it from someone that I trusted that made it impactful.

Love that, dude. I love that so much. So, let's talk about you a little bit. You were born and raised in Houston, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Houston. So, growing up, when did you know that you had this? When did you know that the the curiosity, the problem solving, the creating solutions, when did you know that that was a part of who you were?

To be honest, I don't think I ever knew. I don't even think I know now. Like, I think it's a constantly evolving process. I think the first time, hindsight is 2020. I think like looking back and this this actually isn't something that I've spoken about on a podcast. I grew up in a very uh I was like one of the few Middle Eastern people in like a very very white school in Houston, Texas. And when I was like 13, I got like severely bullied. You know, you're going to celebrate 9/11, you're going to go like bomb a building and and that like really struck me as a kid. Um

and I think the there's a bright side to everything. And I think the thing that that actually pushed me to thinking about is how I'm never going to be like in the inroup and it really encouraged me to just like feel free to think differently. Um and I and I and I bring up this story because you know when we started Deli, everyone thought it was like a dumb idea and and everyone thought it was stupid. Um and even for a while we were like this is not going to work. But I I almost feel like I had built the muscle to be okay not being in the endroup, like to be okay thinking things or being different. So I think that actually had a big impact on me feeling comfortable going after crazy ideas.

Okay, I like it. And so now D the entrepreneur, Dar the leader, what are some of your core values when you talk about, you know, bringing on team members, when you talk about, you know, leading companies? What are the core values that you personally have?

Yeah, I mean, our first employee was uh this 17-year-old Belgium kid who had reached out to me on Twitter and he was like, "I got to work for you." And I was like, "Who is this kid? We're not we're not going to hire a 17-year-old kid who's still in high school." But he was very persistent and we flew him out uh to the office and we ended up hiring him. And it was one of the best hiring decisions we've made. And we have a couple other stories like that. And I think it is much better to invest in people who have high slope, who have a lot of energy than people who are like extremely experienced and potentially entitled. So I I think I try to pay attention to like what motivates you, where do you want to be 5 years from now? Like are you ambitious? And why do you do what you do? A controversial question that I ask in our interview process that some people have not liked is I ask, "What is the greatest hardship

you've ever experienced in your life? and how did you deal with it? Because I think building a company is hard and you want to bring people who aren't going to run away at this first sign of uncertainty, but rather are aware like, oh, this is normal. This is a part of the path. If you're going to be doing something special, you're going to have hardship.

Okay, I like it. So 17year-old is still on the team. Yeah, he's 20 now. There you go. There you go. There you go. So going back to Deli now, what are some of the roadmap items like you know looking at where the hockey puck is going? Where is Deli going?

Yeah, I mean one of the things we're about to ship, not everyone has a podcast like yourself. How do you allow people to create a digital version of their mind if they don't have an online presence? So we have this interviewer that asks you questions about yourself uh that you could use and be like, "Hey, like I want to get all my opinions about XYZ into my deli." and it'll ask you questions about those things so that it can get smarter. We're also personalization is a big thing. As someone speaks to your digital mind, it becomes more personalized to them such that a question they may ask may be different than a question I may ask. Uh and then eventually you can imagine there being an ability to discover people based on their knowledge and what they know and how they think. Right now, we can only discover people based on what they look like on Instagram or where they've worked like on LinkedIn.

But there's no way to actually find people based on their values, how they think about the world, what they know. And those are often the best connections and relationships and opportunities to learn from people. So, that's something that we're thinking about.

I love it for the the entrepreneurs and leaders that are that are listening. And everyone's trying to do this now, right? like you're trying to scale your influence because as we move forward in a digital and social age, influence is kind of the the thing and that's what that's what matters and that's not a bad thing by the way like growing your influence is a good thing. What steps do you think that entrepreneurs and leaders can take to to start to scale their influence now?

Yeah, I mean I think there's a reason that Mark Zuckerberg has spent so much time on his personal brand over the last couple of years. Um like he's a lot front and center. you see him kickboxing and it's because he knows that humans connect with humans not faceless entities and I think as AI continues to improve that authenticity that realness of a human is going to be that much more attractive you see companies even hiring like chief influencing officers and where they're like the face of the brand so I think don't be afraid to put yourself out there I think vulnerability is key especially you know customers are getting pitched consumers are getting pitched left and right from all these really fake AI slop ads uh and people People are just desperate for something genuine and authentic. So, I think you should not be afraid to put yourself out there. You should document what you know so that you can leverage that

information from your mind to scale it when you need to scale it, whether it be with customers, with new hires. But yeah, I think it's just it's okay to start putting yourself out there. I have this on my my phone background is a text where it says, "I'm afraid of putting myself out there." And the response is cringe is in. You got to like be uncomfortable for a little bit and then it will start to feel more normal.

No, you're totally right and you're you're on point. I tell some of my clients that same thing. They're looking to grow their brand and to grow their scale. And I have to remind them that as a CEO, you actually are the brand now, right? because it used to be in the 70s, 80s, 90s, even the early 2000s with the exception of the extremely popular CEOs and probably like the Fortune 100 companies. You didn't know who the CEOs of companies were. Like you might know the name, but you never knew the face, right? And you might know the picture, but you don't know who they are. You don't know what their values are. And so, I tell everyone to start with this.

state your core values and just talk about your core values because to me that's how human connections are. So when I know what DAR stands for, either I connect or I don't. And if I do connect, now I'm probably going to follow. And now if I know how DA thinks and I can use Deli AI to interact with Dra, now I feel like I really know Da. And so now when Dra goes and does a social post, I get it. I know where he's coming from and I I'm anticipating the next one. And if I say, "Do speaking at this event. I want to go because now this person that I followed, I can actually meet in person." And to me, that's the true evolution of human connection. And I think again your product does that. Amazing. Thank you.

Yeah. And I I think you could see a tweet and a lot of people will project their own worldview. I think static content like blogs you can read and you can make all your own assumptions about. I think the the great thing about having a digital mind is it almost allows people to immediately empathize because as soon as you can have a conversation then you really start to understand oh this this is not what they actually meant. So yeah it's been actually really cool to see a lot of our customers talk to my deli and then when I meet them in person they already know the basic questions that I've answered over and over again so we can have a more in-depth conversation.

Right. Right. What advice would you give to someone that's hesitant about embracing good AI? And I'm I'm going to put an emphasis on good AI. What advice would you have?

I mean, one, Pandora's box is open. It's never going to be closed. So, I think that's that's very important to think about. Two is start with the end in mind. There's a lot of shiny objects left and right. You shouldn't plan around what's possible today. You should think about what's possible a year from now and work backwards from there. That's going to set you up for the most success. And then three, use AI to automate things that you don't like doing, but don't forget what makes you human, as those are the things that allow you to connect with people and to own your data. Make sure you're using platforms that aren't using your data to train models. So, those are my four tips.

Good stuff. Good stuff. All right. I know how busy you are. I know you have a lot going on. I'm going to get you out of here on my quick five, my rapid five. So,

let's do it. Ready? Yeah. All right. Growing up in Houston, now you live in the Bay Area. Who has better food? Houston.

Texans. Houston. Okay. Yeah, for sure. What's your favorite meal? Houstonbased.

Oh, man. I mean, my parents home-cooked meal. But in Houston, Houston has the best text, Vietnamese, but I can't. Nothing competes with homemade Persian food.

Okay, good stuff. Good stuff. What is your go-to productivity app? Notion. My entire life is on Notion.

Huge fan of Notion. Also one of our advertisers on the show. So, shout out to Notion AI. Like, love them dearly. Changes everything that we're doing right now. What's a hobby or activity that you use or go to to unwind after a busy week?

To be honest, I just hang out with friends and family. I don't really do hobbies. I read books, but whenever I have free time, I use that time to spend it with the people that are important to me.

I love it. I love it. When the story of Dra is being written and we're at the last chapter, last paragraph, last sentence, what's one word you want to define your legacy?

This is a really good question. One word. Resilience. I love it cuz my man keeps going. That's what I love about you, bro. Even when I talk and sometimes I know I challenge you with, "Hey, can we get this feature added or can we do this?" Like, you're always resilient, right? Like you always keep going. whenever there's obstacles, you you always fight to overcome. And I think that's what I probably appreciate about you the most is because I have that same that same fire instinct. And I know you have it. So I appreciate you, brother.

Appreciate that, Mick. Yes, sir. So, where can people find and follow both the real Dra and then also the digital mind of DA?

Yes. So on X um D A L A DJ. And then to chat with my Deli, you can go to deli.ai. Great stuff. I'm going to have links to all of that in the show notes and description. I'm not saying do me a favor. I'm saying do yourself a favor. Go on Deli AI right now. Look at the product. Not only am I an advocate, I'm a proud user and subscriber. D. I have what, like four businesses that we all have different business accounts that are on the platform. That's how much I care about it and and what we do. If you care about legacy, at a minimum, you should have a product with Deli AI. If you want to pass down generational information, you should have a product on Deli AI. If you're a business owner, business leader, your business should definitely look at utilizing Deli AI.

DAR, brother, I appreciate you more than you know. Always honored when I can bend your ear and chat with you a little bit. So, thank you for being on the show today man.

Thank you so much, Mick. And for all the viewers and listeners, remember your because is your superpower. Go unleash it. You've been plugged into Mick Unplugged. Don't just listen, take action. Rate and subscribe, follow me on social, and get the full experience at mickhuntofficial.com. Keep building, keep leading, and most importantly, keep dominating.

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Who speaks in "Human-Centric AI: Why Humans Matter in the Age of AI with Dara Ladjevardian"?

Mick Hunto (Host), Dara Ladjevardian (Guest).

What is "Human-Centric AI: Why Humans Matter in the Age of AI with Dara Ladjevardian" about?

This discussion centers on the significance of human-centric AI and the potential of digital minds as valuable intellectual property. CEO Dara Ladjevardian shares his journey in creating Deli AI, a platform designed to enhance mentorship and preserve personal wisdom for future generations, emphasizing the importance of human connection in the evolving landscape of artificial intelligence.

What is mentioned in this Mick Unplugged Podcast episode?

2 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Deli AI. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Human-Centric AI: Why Humans Matter in the Age of AI with Dara Ladjevardian"?

The episode runs 24 min; the transcript is about 4,775 words in 53 timestamped sections.

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