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Episode 756: Dennis Nilsen - The Kindly Killer (Part 3)

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Episode 756: Dennis Nilsen - The Kindly Killer (Part 3)", an episode of Morbid | Podcast published February 12, 2026 (58 min, about 11,506 words). It mentions 3 people, works and ideas, including Murder, Dennis Nielson, Ash Kelley.

What this episode is about

A discussion centered on DeNilsen: The Kindly Killer (Part 3) is summarized here alongside light, casual banter about the Super Bowl, sports, and pop culture moments, with emphasis on the episode’s main topic and its key points.

Key takeaways

  • Super Bowl chaos: a zero-point scare drifted into history, proving heart and humor outshine scorelines.
  • Halftime breakthrough: Bad Bunny’s presence mattered more than any stat, symbolizing inclusive main-stage representation.
  • Megan Kelly misfire exposed a chilling reaction: big-name critique can distort, while fandom and joy persevere.
  • Banter about teams’ misfortunes reveals Boston sports karma; authenticity in shared misery beats manufactured hype.
  • Learning Spanish to jam with Bad Bunny is the kind of fan devotion that turns culture into cardio.

Who speaks in this episode?

  • Ash (Host) · 32 min speaking
  • Elena (Host) · 26 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 5:00: Ash Kelley
  2. – 10:00: Dennis Nielson, Ash Kelley
  3. – 20:00: Murder, Dennis Nielson
  4. – 25:00: Murder
  5. – 35:00: Murder, Dennis Nielson
  6. – 40:00: Murder
  7. – 45:00: Murder, Ash Kelley
  8. – 50:00: Murder
  9. – 55:00: Murder

Notable quotes from "Episode 756: Dennis Nilsen - The Kindly Killer (Part 3)"

  • So yeah, we got to get back into Dennis here, unfortunately. but you know what? We're finishing today. Yeah, exactly. We're going to finish today. He's going to get what's.
    about Dennis Nielson · at
  • Committed the murders. He said, What is contested is whether in the killing of the 15 he was guilty of murder or the lesser offense of manslaughter. 12 hours later, the jury…
    about Murder · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • Dennis Nielson — Person · Primary subject (true-crime case) · 3 mentions · first at
    The hosts recount Nielson's final murders, disposal methods, arrest, trial, psychiatric evaluations, imprisonment, and death.
  • Ash Kelley — Person · Co-host · 3 mentions · first at
    Introduces the show, reacts to case details, and participates in commentary on the trial, motives, and cultural topics.
    So yeah, we got to get back into Dennis here, unfortunately. but you know what? We're finishing today. Yeah, exactly. We're going to finish today. He's going to get what's.

Concepts & topics

  • Murder — Concept · Core topic · 16 mentions · first at
    The episode centers on Dennis Nielson's killings, the investigation, and the legal distinction between murder and manslaughter at trial.

Full transcript with timestamps

Hey weirdos. I'm Ash. And I'm Elena. And this is Morbid. This is morbid. This is morbid. And we're coming off the Super Bowl.

We are. Which we bummer that our team lost legendarily. I was so worried cuz for so much of that game, here's the thing. I really thought I was getting out of it because my husband doesn't care about sports. This man looks at me. I didn't even get to tell Debbie this. She's sitting on the couch looking at me. This man tells me, "Let's just watch for the commercials."

Oh, no. That's the beginning. I said, "Okay." Oh, no. Welcome. And then he said, "There's really nothing else on." I was like, "I could think of so many things on. All right." I like, "Okay." Uh, but I was so worried. We were at zero points for so much of it that I was like, are we going to lose this Super Bowl with zero points? And that has never happened in history. So I was like, that would be horrible. And we had gone to the Celtics game earlier, which was also Love, Love RC's, real bad game. They didn't do great.

I was like, it's not a banner day for Boston. We I said that to John and he didn't think it was as funny as I did because I was like, whoa, Boston Sports really [ __ ] the ben today. And he was like yeah.

I was like, sorry. They did. But he said that halfway through it, he said, "This has to be the worst outing for a team in Super Bowl history."

Yeah. Yeah. So, and he he wasn't playing. The score was just crazy. Like, I was You know what? We won't harp on it cuz

Yeah. I mean, sports cuz sports, but what we will talk about is how [ __ ] awesome that Super Bowl halftime show.

The halftime show was incredible. I just found out that the bushes were people. Yeah. And when she first said that, when she f she said that out loud to me and I I paused. I hesitated. I looked con coagulating all over.

I was that meme with the lady with all like the equations over her head and I'm looking out cuz I thought she meant like the bushes like the bush family like the bush family and she was like the bushes are people. And I was like was that a question? Like am did I miss a whole chapter in this nonsense that is what is the world right now that like were they like not people like they very much are people I was very confused and then you said the bushes in the halftime show

the bushes in the halftime show were people and then I I saw them leaving and I was like that's incredible that's really cool

a couple got married was gorgeous the whole thing was beautiful Bad Bunny is beautiful Bunny is beautiful Lady Gaga forever my entire TikTok now is Bad Bunny music. I saw a family who was um like watching the Super Bowl and they like were fans of Big Bunny and I literally cried at this family D. They cuz they were just so excited and they were actually finally like represented on a on a main stage. I started crying.

Oh, I love that. It was beautiful. I think it was the most watched Super Bowl halftime show.

Was it? I believe it's it's up there at least at the very least. We should make sure. But I know it's it's got a distinction.

It squashed that other one. So it did doesn't exist. But yeah, it was really cool to see. I thought that was a really cool halftime show and the message was beautiful.

I loved the end. The only thing stronger than hate is love because we should all believe that.

And together we are America. Together we're America. It was unity. It was all positivity.

If you happen to find something offensive about it, I can't really help you there because

it was all pretty [ __ ] positive. Also, Bad Bunny. He's a handsome man. Benito. Benito.

He is very handsome. Yeah. Uh, but yeah, it was great. It was awesome. And I really liked it. And did you see that creature Megan Kelly being such a racist [ __ ] about?

Unfortunately, I did. It made me when she spin out when she went into like like being like Latinos, I was like, "You're disgusting." Yeah,

it was just like gross. It came across my feed and I was like I think she mentioned that like um the halftime show is supposed to be all American which like meatloaf

uh read a goddamn book. I [ __ ] beg of you. And two she wanted meatloaf there. I don't know where that went. Not the singer. She said yeah that person's dead. She said meatloaf fried chicken and apple pie and an apple pie. I said none of those things were on my table ma'am. It's also never what halftime show has had meatloaf, apple pie, and fried chicken as part of it.

But we do not condone Megan Kelly at all. We think she's vile, racist, disgusting. Our opinions do not align with hers at all.

No, they don't. But we just wanted to say that. But you know what? Have the day you deserve, I guess. So,

Bad Bunny forever. Bad Bunny forever. Bad Bunny goes hard. I'm going to learn Spanish just so I can jam to those songs.

I should know Spanish. I took it in high school, but I did not do well. So, maybe I should relearn it.

I know a tiny tiny bit of Spanish. Like when he says b Oh, you had a good You had a good uh

pronunciation. I almost said personification. I don't My my Spanish teacher used to tell me that I had a really good uh like pronunciation, but I just I never got verbs and tenses and that whole thing,

you know. But let's learn it. Babble babble babble. Come on the show. Rosetta Stone.

Rosetta Stone. We'll learn it so that and then we'll know exactly what Bad Bunny is saying and we can jam even harder.

Hell yeah. What's the one? Um it he's saying I should have gave you more kisses and hugs when I still had you. And it makes me cry and dance at the same time.

When Ash did that, she danced while she did like salsa in place. She did. She salsa in her in her couch. Listen,

I love this. Listen, there there's white people and then there's white people. It's it's speaking of of wildness, America's Next Top Model.

Get ready for our bonus episode. This one This one we're both wicked excited for. We are going to be covering, if you guys haven't seen it, on Netflix, there's going to be a new documentary about America's Next Top Model, like The Rise and Fall. I have been waiting for this my entire life.

I was actually so upset. I went to watch something on Netflix the other day and it was like like huge and I was like, "Oh my god, it's already on." And I went to watch it. No, I believe it's February 16th.

Yeah. So, we'll be covering it in our bonus episode. It's on Netflix. We're going to talk about it.

That'll be out February 27th. The bonus episode. Yeah. Might I suggest, too, because I am actually wanting to read this. Um, Mr. Jay wrote a book.

Oh, really? All about it. Yeah. [ __ ] The wig, the [ __ ] and the meltdown. And then the little tagline is The Devil Also Wears Fake Shoes. That's amazing. So, or cheap shoes.

I want to watch that. Yeah, I would um I would order that book for sure because I want to read that.

Yeah, I'm going to read the book. I'm going to watch the documentary. We'll be talking all about it cuz I've been actually watching old episodes of America's Next Top Model and that [ __ ] will

that'll that'll change you watching that. Uh so many misunderstood gals I feel like throughout their Jade the Supermodel.

I always thought she was kind of misunderstood though. Her and Camille. I don't remember Camille. She's from like an earlier season if you like. There were times when she had like, you know, moments, but I thought they were like really hard on her confidence. Like she was just a confident

bad [ __ ] Well, the part of that show was that bothered me. They didn't want you to be confident. Like everyone always thought she was mean and I was like, "No, I think she's just like

It's funny, too, cuz I think you and I were watching one recently where it was um is it Melrose and Carrie D?" The final like uh two. I thought Mel Rose was pretty misunderstood too. Like I remember watching it when I was little and being like, "Ew, Mel Rose is such a bitch."

And then I watched as an adult and I was like, "Mel Rose is just kind of funny." And I think they don't get it.

I think when you get older, you just watch it and you're like, "Wow, everybody's so [ __ ] like up in their have their panties in a wad over like the smallest things." It's like I don't know.

Those girls. Do you remember Molly who's like famously they gave her that crazy Oh yeah. like basically like they gave her a weave but it like pulled her hair out because her hair wasn't strong enough for it.

Um she's on Southern Charm now. Oh, I did hear that. I did hear that. She is so [ __ ] funny. I love that.

She's hilarious. So here we go. We'll start talking about all that stuff. Yeah. She Oh, she found her. She found the weave. She still has it.

She found the weave. She smelled it on live camera. Ew. Yeah. Uh let's save that for the bonus episode. Yeah. Uh but yeah, so stay tuned for that. We'll be talking about all the craziness behind that.

Yeah, I think that's all we have. Yeah, I think that's all the business. Um go buy the butcher legacy. Butcherleacy.com. You can get it anywhere you want.

Uh more signed editions there. I added more signed editions at Barnes & Noble. You can order online. You can get them in, you know, order them in the store. Whatever you want to do. Barnes & Noble signed editions. Been signing them. There's a box in front of me that I am currently signing. Oh, also Mikey added in Tokara and Eva who are also misunderstood and I fully agree. I love them.

Eva was famously on the Real Housewives of Atlanta. Yeah, but again, we'll talk about it then when Yeah. Other other girls who were misunderstood.

But yeah, so go get the book. Go pre-order it. Sign copies if you want. Y all kinds of copies. Go get it.

So yeah, we got to get back into into Dennis here, unfortunately. Um but you know what? We're finishing today. Yeah, exactly. We're going to finish today. He's going to get what's coming to him.

Good. But man, he's going to get he's going to keep going down this weird path.

You said he killed more people. Yeah. He wasn't done. Um, so when we last talked to you in part two, he was starting to flush pieces of people down the toilet.

Yeah. Uh, yeah. Which is which is weird in like every way. It could be weird. And it's also very like what were you thinking?

I think at this point he was not thinking. Yeah, I don't think he's thinking very straight.

I think he's just like losing it. He's just trying to get out of it. So in May 1982, his trend of very erratic behavior and kind of increasing like the risks he was taking, like he didn't seem to be thinking things through very well. Um it continued. Uh he met 21-year-old Carl Stodd at a local pub and invited him back to his apartment. Like so many of his previous victims. Um Carl was very vulnerable at the time. He had just been dumped and was experiencing a lot of depression as a result.

Uh back at the apartment, the two of them started drinking and appar This This seems to happen a lot at his apartment. He passed out.

He passed out cuz I he was definitely drugging people. had to have been because all of them are passing out.

And he passed out on an open sleeping bag on the floor. Yeah. Yeah. And he later he survived.

Oh. Cuz he later told uh the court, "I woke up feeling something around my neck. My head was hurting and I couldn't breathe properly and I wondered what it was."

Oh god. So he could hear Dennis's voice and this is so scary. When he woke up, he was kind of out of it. Couldn't breathe. like was kind of panicking a little and he said he could just hear Dennis's voice almost in a whisper saying, "Stay still, stay still."

Over and over as he fumbled with the zipper on the sleeping bag. And it occurred to him he might have gotten tangled in the cord on the sleeping bag. And maybe Dennis is trying to help him out of it cuz he wasn't saying it like he was saying it very like

like gently. You know what I mean? So he passed out again a few moments later and when he came too he was cold and could hear the sound of water. He woke up in the bathtub. He said I knew I was in the water and he was trying to drown me. He kept pushing me under the water. The third time I came up and I said no more. Please no more. And he pushed me under again.

Oh. So he's like begging him to stop. And that just makes you wonder what everybody else said too.

And then he didn't listen to any of them. Right. So some amount of time passed. He's not sure how much. When Carl woke up again,

and he said when he woke up, he was laying on Dennis's couch and Dennis's dog, Bleep, remember Bleep?

He's had his He's had Bleep there this time. He had Bleep there the whole time. And Bleep is licking Carl's face.

Poor Bleep is probably so stressed out. Yeah. And Carl was very weak, but was able to stand. And when he looked at himself in the mirror, he saw that he had a deep red mark around his neck and several blood vessels in his eyes had burst.

Oh god. Yeah. According to Dennis, Carl had become tangled in the sleeping bag and the cord wrapped around his neck causing him to choke.

Yeah. I was like, "Well, thrashing around in there like a toddler." Yeah. No. And he had brought him in the bath, he said, as an effort to resuscitate him. And since then, Dennis said he'd been trying to keep him warm with blankets and with heat from his own body.

Ew. No, thank you. Yeah. It was only later during the trial that Carl learned that Dennis had in fact thought he'd killed him in the bathtub and he'd taken him out to the living room and positioned him in the on the couch to dry his body just as he done the other victims.

Oh my god. So he thought he was posing a dead body there. Yep. Which also tells you how [ __ ] faint his pulse must have been.

Exactly. Wow. It was while he was drying him that he realized Carl was still alive. So, he started rubbing his limbs and wrapping him in blankets to keep him warm. It's very unclear why Dennis chose not to kill Carl in that moment.

Yeah. And I don't know if it's because he didn't think he could finish it and he was worried he was going to be able to say he tried to kill me. Like this would be the end of him.

So, it's like, "Oh, no. I'm I'm just trying to save you." Yeah. He's got to use this story to be like, "Well, I was trying to help you." But it's like, "No, he as you pulled him out of the water, he said, "Please stop. No more." And you pushed him back down. Obviously, you didn't think he was dead. Two months later, in June, Dennis met 27year-old Graham Allen while the while Graham was hailing a cab on the street. Like some of the other murders, the details of this one are a little hazy. And Dennis is a bullshitter. Yeah, of course.

Um, he claims not to remember a lot of the specifics of this. He did say, and this really like breaks my heart, he says the thing that Graham wanted more than anything else was something to eat.

Oh. So he said he made him a big omelette, but after that all of a sudden he can't really remember exactly how this happened.

He remembers the one nice thing that he did. He It becomes a mix of reality and fantasy here because he says, "I noticed he was sitting there and suddenly he appeared to be asleep or unconscious."

Oh, that's crazy. I thought he must have been choking on it, but I didn't hear him choking. He was indeed deeply unconscious.

That's nuts how he just unconscious. Dennis claims he doesn't quite remember what happened next, only that he must have strangled Graham Allen. Whoa.

He said, "I bent forward and I think I strangled him. I can't remember at this moment what I used." I remember going forward and I remember he was dead. If the omelette killed him, I don't know. But anyway, in going forward, I intended to kill him. An omelette doesn't leave red marks on a neck. I suppose it must have been me.

Wow. Just that's how flippant he is. to try to make it funny. Like like an omelette doesn't leave red marks on this, so I guess it was me. Go [ __ ] yourself.

Yeah, get a [ __ ] piece of [ __ ] Also, he probably drugged the omelet. Yeah, that's what I think. If he's Yeah. Now, Dennis kept Graham Allen's body in the bathtub for 3 days before decomposition made it impossible. and he dismembered Graham Allen's remains and disposed of them as he had John Howell's body, hiding the larger body parts in various spaces around his apartment and flushing the smaller bones, organs, and flesh down the toilet.

Okay. More than 6 months would pass before he would commit his next and final murder.

Okay. Now, on the night of January 26th, 1983, Dennis met 20-year-old Steven Sinclair, and he invited him back to his apartment. Sinclair had spent a lot of his time on the streets. He was a bit of a rogue most of his life. Had a lot going on.

Yeah. Um given that he had spent a lot of his young life on the streets and had didn't have a fixed address, didn't have a job, it's easy to see how someone like Dennis could have lured him back to his apartment just with the promise of food, money, anything else.

That night, Steven's friends recalled seeing him walking towards the train station with quote a strange man who they later identified as Dennis Nielson. But they had assumed at the time that he was tricking for money.

Sure. That's a quote. Yeah. Um and didn't want to disturb him. Yeah. You know, understandable.

Months later, Dennis confessed that he had gone with Sinclair to McDonald's nearby where he bought him a hamburger. Then they went back by train to Muzwell Hill and walked to Dennis's apartment. Once there, they had a few drinks and they listened to the Who's Tommy on stereo until a little past 900 p.m. At one point, Sinclair excused himself and went to the bathroom. And Dennis said that he assumed he was injecting drugs, which I was like, I think you're just covering for your own thing.

Yeah, exactly. And when he came back, he sat down in a chair and passed out almost instantly. Everyone's passing out in Dennis's apartment.

That's just so nuts that that happens to everyone who goes there. Now, he gave a very brutal account of Sinclair's murder at the court hearing um and at the time of his arrest, but he was unusually cy about the crime at first. He didn't want to talk much about it. Um he said, "I remember nothing else until I woke up the next morning. Steven was still in the armchair and he was dead. On the floor was a piece of string with a tie attached to it."

Crazy. He completely removes himself from actively hurting these men. Yeah. Now, Dennis claimed that he had no intention of harming the young man and had only quote concern and affection for his future and the pain and plight of his life. I bet Dennis sat in the living room with the body for several hours before finally carrying Sinclair to the bathroom and placing his body in the tub to begin his ritual cleaning. Now, once he was finished, he brought him to the bedroom and laid him in the bed. And there he just caressed him for some time before falling asleep next to him.

Okay. He said, "I never looked at him. No sex, just a feeling of oneness. It wouldn't be sex anyway. That would be rape.

That would be rape." The next morning, Dennis dressed his body in his own clothing and placed him in the chair in the living room where he stayed for several days.

Wow. He just put him in a chair in his living room. He did this so several times. Yeah.

Put men in a chair in his living room dead and just left them there for days at a time. Just walked in, went to work.

Yeah. And came home. Didn't think about it at all while he was at work. Nope. Later he would talk about how when he decided to kill Steven, he had knelt in front of him as they listened to Tommy and he said, "Oh, Steven, here I go again."

Oh, that's what he said to this. Like what? which also makes you wonder the like just eerie things he said to everybody else that

he just said weird [ __ ] and then he strangled him with a string and a necktie. And after that, now after that what had happened, this is when he got into more detail during the court hearing. After he had killed Steven, he put him in bed and then he arranged mirrors around the bed and just laid with him in the bed looking at them at all different angles. He is on another level. Like this is

psychosis. Yeah. It's like to the nth degree. Deeply, deeply ill. This is [ __ ] you see in horror movies that you're like, "Wow, they went too far."

Yeah. You're like, "That's wild." Like, "Why would you do that?" God. Now, later after his arrest, uh, Dennis would become strangely like almost like philosophical about this murder, speaking of it like in these weird, bizarre, and kind of romantic terms almost like a in his kind of romantic terms. He said, "I believe he is me or part of me. How can you feel remorse for taking pains into yourself? I loved him much more than anyone else he had ever met in his 20 years.

Don't know that the image of the sleeping Steven is and will be with me for all of my life.

Oh, that's so dark. And to say that knowing that he has family out there. Yeah.

Like that's that's just another level of predator. Yeah. and like stealing that from

Yeah. saying I love and you knew him for how many hours? And then killed him. And you're saying that you loved him more than anyone in his life

and then saying like I'll always have that image. Yeah. That's cuz that's also saying to that his family like that's something you can't have back

and it's like that is so deeply evil. It is evil. Now Dennis's perspective on this particular murder is definitely unusual. He describes none of his other murders quite like this one. Um, in fact, he went from having no recollection of the murder at all to being that like philosophical about it and that like weirdly cruel about it.

Very strange. He described it almost like a transcendent experience. Yeah. Transcendent, excuse me.

Yeah. Like with the mirrors and everything too. Just he treated it like a project.

Yeah. It's very strange. Now, at this point, when he was talking about it like that, he was already arrested and he had confessed.

Okay? So, it is possible that he was setting himself up further for an insanity defense.

But it's also positive that there was something about Steven that was just different than his other victims.

Something that reminded Dennis of himself, maybe like, who knows? Like that there was something there that was

to say that he felt like he was a part of him. Yeah. as his own personality almost being

he'd only known him for a few hours and he couldn't possibly have known anything about his life or the people in it.

Right. Um it's very strange. Now about a week later Dennis dismembered Steven Sinclair's remains and disposed of them in the same way that he had before. Um but this time he when he tried to flush pieces of his body down the toilet, it didn't go as smoothly as the previous disposal. And in the weeks after this, Dennis's neighbors started complaining about the drains in the apartment, saying they were all backed up

and didn't seem to be draining properly. Oh, yeah. In fact, it was Dennis himself who in early February wrote a letter to his landlord on behalf of himself and the other tenants of the building demanding that something be done about it as soon as possible. He did it cuz he wanted the problem to go away.

Yeah. Now, on the afternoon of February 5th, after hearing nothing from their landlord, one of the residents in Dennis's building, Jim Alcock, finally grew tired of waiting for a response, and he decided to call a plumber himself. He was like, "We'll [ __ ] do it." It took a few days, but on the evening of February 8th, a plumber from Dino Rod, arrived at 23 Cranley Gardens to come help the problem. The plumber, Michael Katran, was relatively new to this job and didn't have a lot of experience, especially with like complex drainage problems. But after taking like a little bit of a look at the problem in the building,

sorry, I don't really know if anybody was equipped to deal with this issue, this particular problem. No. So, he kind of took a look at the problem inside the building and he knew enough to know the source of the problem was likely outside the house under the ground.

Um, although it had already grown dark, he agreed to take a look. So with Jim Alcock holding a flashlight for him, he went to the side of the house and removed the manhole cover providing access to the sewer and he descended the ladder into the manhole.

Oh my. As soon as they were down in the sewer, both of them were hit with a terrible odor. Now, a sewer does have a terrible odor,

so that's not strange, but it's usually like a waste. Poop. Yeah. Uh, but Michael Katran said, "I may not have been in the game for long, but I know this isn't shit."

What a quote. That's what he said. That's a quote. There was also a pool of sludge on the floor about 8 in thick.

Oh, [ __ ] Containing about 30 or 40 pieces of flesh, grayish white in color and of various sizes.

Oh my. Using the flashlight, Michael followed the pipes back to the ones connected to the house, which was leaking the same sludgy substance that was covering the floor. Can you imagine finding this out that like your neighbor was flushing murdered victims down the toilet

and that your backed up drains were containing pieces of people that and just knowing that this was all happening while you like I think I mentioned it in part one or two like we just go about our day

and people are doing this. I can't imagine finding out I was in the same home sharing a wall.

Sharing walls potentially or like I had like walking by him. You know, maybe he was your upstairs neighbor and you had to do the uh the broom trick

or you just held the held the door held the door for him. Yep. Yeah. Got his mail once.

Yeah. Probably saw the victims and didn't realize it. Yep. Now, having found the source of the problem, Michael called his supervisor to report the discovery, saying that he thought it might have been a dead body. By then, most of the residents had crowded around and as he was on the phone and overheard this conversation.

Oh [ __ ] So after hanging up, um, Michael turned to Dennis Nelson who was there listening to the conversation and asked whether he had a dog

and Dennis said, "Yeah, he did." And the plumber asked whether he tried to flush dog meat down the drain like like food.

Yeah. And Dennis said, "No, I haven't." So he didn't even try to lie about it. Yeah. It's unclear why if he was the source of the problem, he would have reported the drain blockage to the landlord and insisted something be done about it cuz he had to know they were going to figure out it was human remains. Maybe he was just so far into this fantasy that he didn't that didn't occur to him that they would figure it out. Well, I and it's possible he was hoping that by joining in on the outrage that suspicion wouldn't fall back on him. He might not have known how specifically that pipes would go directly to his like that they could trace it back.

And I think probably he wanted the problem to be cleared up so that he could continue this because he can't

he can't do anything anymore killing because he doesn't have a way of disposing of

he already ran out of space in his apartment and realized he couldn't do that. So he's resorting to this.

Now around midnight that night, Dennis concocted a plan that he was hoping would take the the heat off him. Carrying a flashlight in a garbage bag, he rent down into the sewer at midnight and collected the large pieces of flesh.

This can't even be [ __ ] real. No. Which he then brought to the surface and dumped over the garden wall into the hedge on the other side.

That's his big plan. Oh, there's more. He said, quote, "I had planned to go to the supermarket or Kentucky Fried Chicken and p purchase a few pounds weight of chicken pieces. These I would soak, cut up into smaller chunks as that removed, and then he would place them in the sewer,

and just make everybody think that it's KFC. He figured that by replacing human flesh with raw chicken, he hoped the men from Dino Rod would quickly notice their mistake and not wanting to appear foolish, wouldn't call the police.

Like, babe, when somebody smells a dead body, they know what they've smelled and it doesn't smell like raw chicken. Now, Dennis's plan was to wake up early in the morning and place the chicken in the sewer. But after removing the human remains, he went to his apartment and started drinking heavily. The next morning, he slept in. Uh-oh.

Oops. So, Michael returned to the property, the the plumber with and he came with his supervisor, Gary Wheeler, and together the two men went down into the sewer, and Michael noticed the manhole cover was in a different position than he'd left it the night before. And when they got to the bottom of the ladder, they found that the remains were gone.

Uhhuh. Convinced that someone had removed them, Wheeler called the police. Cuz you're also thinking all of these people were gathered around and heard say it's a dead body. It's got to be one of them.

In the meantime, Michael continued investigating the pipes and found that impacted into one of the pipes was more flesh and several pieces of small bone.

Well, that was my other assumption, too, is it's like that whatever Dennis collected had drained.

Yeah. Like you he didn't think of what was in the pipes. He clearly had no understanding.

Something was blocking the pipes. I said the other day that I don't really understand pipes. I I understand this.

You understand this kind of piping? I do. Now, while the dino rod men were in the sewer, Dennis slipped out of the building and went to work just as he did any other day.

Wow. Just went to work. Yeah. Sitting at his desk, he arranged and rearranged the objects on the surface. And then he composed a letter that he tucked into a brown envelope and placed in his desk drawer. He said, "I was sure that I would be arrested when I came home or sometime that evening." Among other things, the letter said that he should be arrested and if he was found dead, it would not be from suicide.

Oh, which is interesting. As Dennis sat at his desk writing, investigators were at the house on Cranley Gardens investigating the scene. The remains found in the drain had been removed and sent to be examined at the University of London, where they were confirmed to be human. The flesh appeared to be from quote the region of the neck and the bones were from the hand and both were almost certainly male.

Okay. Now, Dennis returned home a little after 5:30 p.m. And as he expected, there was a detective waiting for him at the door. The man at the door introduced himself as DCI Peter J and told Dennis he was there about the drains. Dennis acted surprised that a simple drain problem would warrant a call to the police. I think is like you remember the feeling when you were younger and you were in trouble and like you knew you [ __ ] up so you were like

oh [ __ ] like I got to just deal with this. Do I Yeah. That must be on a galactic level when you are a serial killer

and they have found all your victims. Like yeah what now upstairs in his apartment Jay told Dennis that the remains discovered in the sewer and in the drain pipe were human. And uh this prompted another feigned surprise reaction from Dennis. He said, "Oh my goodness."

Who meanwhile has human remains hidden around his home at this point in time. Yeah, don't worry about that. They'll figure that out. It was immediately clear to Dennis that they suspected him.

In fact, they had already traced the drainage problem directly to his apartment. Uh, so when they asked where the rest of the body was, cuz they just flat out said it, Dennis didn't bother continuing the charade and just simply told them in plastic bags in the bedroom wardrobe.

Oh my god. Yeah. Just drops me so immediately. You got me. And where's the rest of the body? Imagine it. Imagine asking that and him just being like

in plastic bags in the bedroom wardrobe. You're just like, "What? This is so wild."

It sounds like fiction. Yeah, it does. DCI Jay and his partner went with Dennis into the bedroom, but declined to open the wardrobe, saying the smell was confirmation enough. Instead, Jay turned to Dennis and asked if there was anything else he wanted to show them or anything he wanted to say. And Dennis said, "It's a long story. It goes back a long time. I'll tell you everything. I want to get it off my chest. Not here, but at the police station." What the [ __ ]

So, at the station, Jay sat down with Dennis in an interview room and began the interrogation. And it was obvious he was dealing with a murder, but he had

no idea. No idea what was to come. So, Jay just asked, "Are we talking about one body or two?"

Oh, and what did Dennis say? And he said at first he was expecting maybe this was a crime of passion or something of that nature. One body or two. And he was absolutely stunned when Dennis looked at him and said, "15 or 16 since 1978."

Holy [ __ ] Yeah. Like that would be the shock of the century. Like a slap across your face.

Truly. Now, in the wake of his arrest, the shock and horror among the police press and people in London could be felt everywhere. There were so many unbelievable aspects of the case, like we've been saying, that as soon as one had managed to process one thing, some new hideous detail would come out, right?

Not only had Dennis Nelson killed 15 people in 5 years, he had done so while being completely undetected,

and no one ever seemed to notice that his victims had even gone missing. That's what's even sad.

Heartbreaking. Then, of course, there was the specifics about the murders themselves. brutal strangulations, drownings, the ages of the victims, the necroilia, the awful dismemberments. I mean, it's grotesque.

It is. It's a lot. Although he gave a full confession to 15 murders, the prosecutor's office faced a significant challenge in charging him for the full extent of his crimes because they couldn't identify all the victims.

That happened so often. That's so sad. In fact, even Dennis didn't know the names of everyone he'd killed.

Well, even his answer, 15 or 16. He didn't even know. He would refer to some of them by nicknames that he'd given them before or after their deaths. In the end, only eight of his victims were identified.

So, half were still missing. Half, like essentially. By the following week, investigators had gathered enough info to charge him with the murder of Steven Holmes. But the news of the charges was quickly followed by the public comment from DCIGJ, who assured the public, "Our inquiries are by no means complete." So they're like, "We're not just charging him with one." When the charges were read aloud in court, Dennis simply looked up at the judge and said, "Thank you." Wow. The next day, February 13th, more charges were brought against Dennis.

This time for the murders of Kenneth Okendon, excuse me, Martin Duffy, William Southerntherland, and Malcolm Barlo. He was also charged with the attempted murders of Paul Knobs and Douglas Stewart. Oh.

Who he had attempted to strangle in 1981 and 1980. Mhm. Following the additional charges, Dennis was removed from the local jail where he was being held and he was brought to Brixton prison, which we know well

talked about that many times. While investigators diligently worked to build their case against Dennis Nilson, Dennis sat in the cell writing and pondering his own crimes. Throughout most of his life, he'd compartmentalized everything. Yeah. Living in one very disappointing real world while simultaneously building a big grandiose fantasy world in his head. and his time in jail, that was no different. Now, having given up and confessed, he was beginning to play a new role in his mind. And this role was that of a tragic monster.

Okay. From a very early age, he had hoped to be to one day discover that he was special and remarkable. Unfortunately, that turned out to be true, just not in the way he had originally hoped.

Yeah, he's certainly remarkable. I can think of lots of remarks. Yeah. Among the things he found most surprising after his arrest was the extent to which the public was interested in his crimes and the case.

Okay. He he later wrote, "I'm always surprised and truly amazed that anyone can be attracted by the macob. The public fascination with types, rare types like myself, plagues them with the mystery of why and how a living person can actually do things which may be only those dark images and act secretly within them. No one wants to believe ever that I am just an ordinary man come to an extraordinary and overwhelming conclusion.

And here we are. Here we all are listening to Morbid. Exactly. He's saying that like Yeah, that's true.

We all want to know why the [ __ ] you are that way. Well, and you're not just an ordinary guy.

No, you're not. And you can't be like, I'm just an ordinary guy. I'm just like you.

I've met a lot of ordinary men. They sound nothing like you. Exactly. Now, if Dennis had managed to hide any abnormality or symptoms of mental illness throughout his life, it's likely because no one ever really paid him much attention. That was the problem. Now that he was locked up in Brixton and was a source of a lot of curiosity, certain aspects of his personality suddenly became noteworthy.

In his early days at Brixton, Dennis was uncharacteristically defiant. He would refuse to wear his prison uniform and would become argumentative with his sta with the staff and his lawyers who were provided to him through the legal aid program. At one point in July, when his chamber pot was overflowing, Dennis threw the contents through the bars, some of which splashed onto several guards.

Oh. What followed was a violent exchange between Dennis and the guards, during which his glasses were broken, a tooth was knocked out, and he received a black eye. Maybe don't throw your [ __ ] on people.

You throw your [ __ ] at me. That's happening. Yeah. [ __ ] gets like I'm sorry gnarly when you when you throw [ __ ]

I'm not going to sit here and act like I'm above if you throw [ __ ] at me punching you in the face.

Yeah. In the weeks that followed, Dennis became increasingly destructive. He tore up court documents that were sent to his cell. He destroyed his personal items. And he als he he said this um was in order to have something to do, read a [ __ ] book. Yeah. At the same time, he was also becoming increasingly paranoid. He would accuse the governor of stealing his postage and being suspicious of other inmates. He was also developing this intense bitterness that in the wake of his arrest, all the good work he'd done in his life through the military and civil service had become completely overshadowed by murder. Dah. Once you get to the point where you are defiling corpses by them, you're a necrophiliac. You're literally bathing people, chopping them up, either keeping parts of them in your home or all of them for days, and then flushing them down your toilet. I don't give a [ __ ] what you did for the

military. Wait a minute. Pristine military record, though. Don't care, doll. Don't care.

How? And that that just has to tell you that his brain works differently because how the [ __ ] do you rationalize that? I was such a good person in the military.

That feels very narcissistic, too. It does. I'm not diagnosing him as narcissistic. I'm just saying it has a vibe of narcissist to me.

Yeah, absolutely. Because he's like, "Well, look at all these amazing things I've done." And you're just like,

I do think, and like I'm going out on a whim here, but I do think most serial killers have at least narcissistic tendencies because even to believe that you will get away with it is narcissistic in and of itself. And to think you have the right to take another person's life. You have a weird god complex that you think you should be able to test out who lives and who dies and when they live and when they die.

And I just love that he's like it's like you become you commit necroilia. I'm sorry doll. Any good thing

that's going to become your defining characteristic. You're not going to get away from that. You could cure world hunger and people will still be stuck on the fact that you're a necroilia.

Exactly. No matter what good you do in your life, you're a necro. It's like a pedophile. You're a pedophile. No matter what rank of office you tend to get to or what kind of success that you get to, you're always a pedophile.

Yep. You're always a [ __ ] monster. And that's the way it is. Period. 10 toes down.

10 toes down. You're a pedophile. Necriliac murderer. That's your defining characteristic. Now, he wrote letters to journalists like Brian Masters urging them to not just focus on the murders. When you write about this case, he said, "Display the clean linen as well as the dirty."

No, but you don't get to decide either at this point. Yeah. You made the choices, babe.

Now, through all the post-arrest chaos of those early months in prison, Dennis had also come to develop several theories as to the reasons for his crimes.

Oh. Initially, he seemed as bewildered as anyone for how he could have done such terrible things. Then he placed the blame on society in general for marginalizing his victims and placing them in his path.

Are you [ __ ] kidding me? Yeah. He said this was this was just like a universal.

He said, "Well, [ __ ] You put these marginalized people in my path. What was I supposed to do? Not murder them?" Like that is literally his argument. No, you're you're

you put this person who didn't have a home or food and was in front of me. What was I supposed to do? Help them, not murder them.

Like, who do you what do you expect of me? Hello. Like, that's some barbaric [ __ ] is to sit there and be like, "What did you expect?"

The fact that they expected anything else than what you did Dennis. The fact that he's still referred to as the kindly killer after he was like, "Ew, marginalized people in my path."

Like, gross. What am I going to do with them? Just I'm You murder them. That's what you do. Like what? He's bonkers. Bonkers. Truly bonkers. But finally and almost certainly after speaking with a psychiatrist, he settled on the explanation he would stick with pretty much for the rest of his life. He said, "I believe my offenses are motivated by emotional disturbance under unique conditions of extreme mental pressure which release areas in the subconscious when I have lost control."

No, I guarantee you he came up with that completely by himself and that a psychiatrist did not tell him that. take the mental [ __ ] pressure out of it. You didn't kill because you were pressured mentally and you killed because you are disturbed mentally.

Well, and in one breath, so before he sees a psychiatrist, he's like, "I don't know. You put a marginalized person in my path. What do I What am I supposed to do?" And then he sees a psychiatrist and he's like, "hm, I believe my offenses were motivated by emotional disturbances under unique conditions of extreme mental pressure which release in the subconscious and I have lost control."

Yeah. No, you're just paring what they said at you. You had me uneotionally disturbed. you lost mental pressure

cuz that's that's taking it off of himself. But then this is what's interesting. It's interesting that you landed on that cuz he said, "Mine is a disease peculi peculiar to me which I should have sought to cure or control."

Yes. There is no excuse for taking the lives of 15 innocent people and trying to kill eight others. The buck stops here.

Yes. So it's like what? Which one is it though? Which one is it? Now, although he had confessed to the murders, there was still the question of sanity in uh in sentencing to be conf. I totally get that.

Uh Dennis Nelson's trial began at the Old Bailey, which again we're very familiar with.

Why do I love the Old Bailey? Never been there in my life. Love it. Love the old Bailey.

Love it. Uh it it began in late October with Alan Green arguing on behalf of the crown and Ivan Lawrence acting as the defense. Now, given that Dennis had already confessed, Green spent a lot of the opening statement detailing the murders in Dennis's own words, including all the details of the crimes and the disposal of the bodies. Green noted that Dennis had confessed to feeling as though he was quote a quasi god who quote could do anything I wanted.

Interesting. In that fantasy world, it does seem that way. Oh, he felt like a god.

Yeah. Also like the washing of people felt feels like it weirdly align with that and the fact that he would

cuz that's what was so interesting with uh with him saying like oh you're just going to place these people in front of me who are marginalized and desperate

like he acted like he didn't care but he would bring them in to feed them right and in one case he even called an ambulance for somebody and didn't kill them like he killed them the next day but

he almost and that's the thing he didn't kill everyone he came in contact with. So he did act like a quasi god because he was determining who

lived and who died, right? Very weird. Also important to Green's argument was the fact that Dennis had a pattern and strategy for meeting, luring, and murdering men,

which he argued was evidence of sound mind when the crimes were committed, which I I think so.

Oh, I mean, the disposal in and of itself. Yeah. You know, it's wrong. You're disposing.

You're trying to get rid of it. And it's like you are luring them in and you clearly have and you've said before I intended to murder this man. So you've said it

right now. He said the defense says he is guilty of manslaughter because they raised the defense of diminished uh responsibility. The crown says that even if there was mental abnormality that did not diminish substantially his mental responsibility for these killings.

Absolutely. To call that manslaughter is a [ __ ] travesty. Yeah, it really is. Now, in the early days of the trial, several key investigators were called to testify for the crown, including Peter J. who read aloud several of the letters and notes sent to him by Dennis Nelson following Dennis's arrest. In one, Dennis attempted to explain his actions, writing, quote, "At the subconscious root lies a sense of total social isolation, which he did have his whole life, and a desperate search for sexual identity. I felt repelled by myself and as stated, I have no experience of sexual penetration for some years. In simple terms, his defense was that his sexual confusion and loneliness were triggers for committing murder.

Okay. No. Yeah. No. Um, the defense's position was that Nilson was only guilty of manslaughter because on some psychological level, he was unaware of what he was doing or at least unaware of the consequences of his actions. Then why did he hide the bodies?

Exactly. in in a way they had a kind of like head start on the prosecution um in that whatever his motive most people include including those on the jury couldn't imagine a sane rational person doing anything that he did. So they really did have a head start because they're already going in there being like this guy wild. Well, but I the tough thing with an insanity thing is an insanity please. A lot of people don't understand what it like the minutia of it all

because you can sit there and colloquially we can sit there and go, "Wow, that's insane." That's insane.

And it's legally not insane. It's just insane to think about. There's so much more to the legality of that.

Exactly. Now, in fact, even one of his victims who'd managed to escape testified that murder seemed entirely out of character for the man he'd met.

Wow. He was like, it was like a switch. But so many so many killers have that switch. Like Ted Bundy, we always go back to that example of women who did survive him say his eyes would just switch.

And we have evidence of that in the courtroom when he was representing himself.

There's one clip of him losing it at when he was defending himself and he becomes a monster.

And you can see that face change. You see those eyes go dark. It's like, you know, that's what

it's a trigger. It's a trigger in their brain somewhere. Now, while most people had spent at least a little time trying to understand his violent behavior, most were eager to hear from the psychiatrists who'd evaluated him on various occasions. In his testimony for the crown, Dr. James McKith, a consultant for Broadmore, told the jury that Dennis is quote, "An extreme egocentric, grandiose in the way he talks about himself with a craving for attention." In his descriptions of his conversation with Dennis, McKith presented a very different person that had previously been described in court. According to the psychiatrist, Dennis hadn't killed out of lon loneliness, but out of rage.

It was only when the men showed a lack of interest or a plan to leave, essentially defying Dennis's wishes that he became violent. And that is the truth.

Yeah. He uh Dennis told McKith, I was giving them a chance to live. That's what he said.

Wow. You have got to listen, but potential relationships broke down. That's what he said.

Okay. Okay. So, you said I was giving them a chance to live, but they wanted to leave.

Like, he really does have a god complex. Yeah, that's their right, dude. Why don't you understand that?

So, Dr. McKith diagnosed Dennis with quote a severe personality disorder of an unspecified type.

Interesting. He couldn't even pinpoint it. I mean, there are so many I think that we don't we just don't have names for yet.

And I think it's just an amalgamation of a lot of them, too. Agreed. Totally. I can't even pinpoint it.

Yeah. The defense had their own psychiatrist, of course, Dr. Patrick Gway, who more or less agreed with McKith's diagnosis, telling the jury that Dennis was constantly under immense pressure that would periodically erupt into quote outbursts of irrational violence, often with bizarre or quasi sexual features, always apparently motiveless.

I'm just so interested to to know what kind of pressure they were talking about. Like, is this internal pressure?

I think it's internal pressure because he was unsure of how to act in public. He was socially incompetent. And I just feel like that's such a a write-off, you know what I mean?

Where they differed was over whether Dennis was abnormal to the extent that he couldn't be held fully accountable for his crimes.

Gway indicated that he believed Dennis quote suffered from mental abnormality and thus couldn't be held accountable.

Disagree. But McKe felt that Dennis was not legally insane when he killed. He said, "I think he hoodwinkedked himself." Referring to his ability to justify his murders.

Agreed. Both psychiatrists had reviewed the evidence and spoken with Dennis at length and naturally they both came to the same conclusion. While the facts spoke to the extent of his personality disorder and the accuracy of the diagnosis, it really didn't do a lot to settle the question of responsibility. In fact, if anything, it kind of caused more confusion. In an effort to provide clarity, the defense asked and were granted the opportunity to call a third expert witness, Dr. Paul Bowen. Like McKith and Gway, Dr. Bowen had spent several hours interviewing Dennis, but he rejected the final diagnosis and had considerably more clarity around the question of responsibility.

Okay. According to Bowen, Dennis didn't kill because of a mental disorder. He killed because, quote, "He enjoyed feeling the power over his victims."

Yeah, that's what I think. On an afternoon in November, Justice Krum Johnson dismissed the jury to their chambers for deliberation, and their directive was very clear. They were not to determine guilt or innocence, only whether he was legally sane when he committed the murders. He said, "What is contested is whether in the killing of the 15 he was guilty of murder or the lesser offense of manslaughter." 12 hours later, the jury came out to announce they had rejected Dennis's plea of guilty to six counts of manslaughter and instead found him guilty of five counts of six counts of murder and two counts of attempted murder.

Okay. So, they gave him murder instead of manslaughter. Good. In considering his sentence, Justice Krum Johnson put a lot of weight on the input from the three expert psychiatrists, all of whom had acknowledged that quote the severe personality disorder they had diagnosed in Nelson was unlikely to be alleviated by treatment. Because of that, the justice recommended a sentence of life in prison with a minimum of 25 years because they had said, "I don't think he can be treated." No. So

I don't cuz you you don't even know what he has. That how do you treat what you don't know? When the verdict was given and the sentence denounced, Dennis made no comment and barely seemed to register any emotion. At his mother's house in Scotland, on the other hand, Elizabeth Scott told reporters, "It is the worst possible verdict. I did think they would give him the benefit of the doubt. I still think he is innocent of murder. I dread thinking what he is thinking now." I mean, that's his mom. At the time, the sentence was one of the most severe ever imposed in the United Kingdom. Wow. What was it? 25 years to life.

Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. A minimum of 25 years. Now, after his conviction, uh Dennis was sent to serve his sentence at HMP Wormwood Scrubs, which is Wormwood Wormwood Scrubs,

a medium security prison in West London. Although he had the right to appeal the conviction, he chose not to.

Oh, interesting. Accepting the jury's determination and the sentence from the crowd. I mean, I think with all the details and I mean, all the gory details of his case, he maybe was smart enough to know that he wasn't going to

most of them aren't. I know it's true. Several years later, after the identification of two more victims, the sentence was upgraded to a whole life tariff, meaning he was required to serve out the entire sentence, which in this case was life. No more 25 years.

Wow. Just one month after his sentence, Nelson was attacked by another inmate who cut his face and chest with a razor, resulting in several dozen stitches.

The first of several conflicts with other inmates that would occur in the years that followed. According to one inmate, quote, "When an inmate like Nelson comes into a prison, it frightens everybody. With him having so long to serve, he has nothing to lose if he kills anyone in prison."

Yeah. It's Well, and it's like this hierarchy thing where and they just got to get rid of them. And when they have no nothing to lose, they're wy.

Throughout the course of his incarceration, he struck up several friendships and correspondences with people outside of prison.

Always, including a relationship with Mark Austin, who helped Dennis collect and publish his memoir, History of a Drowning Boy. Austin said, "A lot of what's written is just through and through completely him. When you get to the murders, I just cannot connect it with the real person, but it is with the real person, so you you should connect that." Um, the book was immediately banned in the UK. Wow. Until 2021 after Nelson's death when it was eventually released with the agreement that any profits would go to charity.

Yeah. On May 10th, 2018, Dennis complained of severe stomach pains to prison staff.

And soon after he was removed and taken to York Hospital where it was discovered he had had an aortic aneurysm that had ruptured.

What is an aortic aneurysm? That is a gnarly aneurysm. And you're not surviving that usually.

Um, it's your aorta. Oh [ __ ] Why did I not put that together? Well, I feel so dumb asking that.

Surgeons at York were able to repair the rupture. Wow. But complications arose and he died a short time later. An autopsy was performed and it was determined that Nelson's cause of death was a pulmonary embolism. His body was cremated and the ashes were given to a family member.

Wow. Which like Okay. But that's the story of Dennis Nelson. That was by far one of the gnarliest stories we've ever shared on the pod

and so grotesque. So mindbending just like confusing and just his cavalier attitude toward the whole thing.

Yeah, he's an anomaly of nature. I tell you he is his his patterns are fascinating. That is a very fascinating

story. Yeah. Heartbreaking. But his mind is strange and scary. Not. He He's not a lot like anybody we've really talked about before.

No, he goes back and forth. He's He'll talk about the details of one murder and then claim he doesn't remember the next one. He's an odd duck.

He's a very odd duck. All right. So, my fun fact, cuz we certainly need it right now.

Yes. Deep sea male angler fish are like way smaller. Tiny tiny tiny way smaller than the females.

Obsessed. to mate. The male angler fish bites onto the much larger female and then just dissolves into her body eventually.

What? Leaving behind a living sack of sperm that she can use whenever the [ __ ] she decides to lay eggs. Are you kidding? And I say, "Good for her." They have really figured out sperm donation much better than we have.

She just absorbs that little [ __ ] Wow. And then she says, "When I'm financially emotionally

and psychologically ready and when I've done my dancing, like Mikey said, around my purse at the

clerb enough that I feel like I am ready and responsible to give myself to to my child,

then I will become pregnant." I wonder. Good for her. Is it like a one time only on the on the sperm release there?

I mean, that's a great question. You mean like do you get to like time release your pregnancy?

That's exactly what I mean. I don't know. Like, does she get many pregnancies over the years or does she just get that one shot of sperm?

Here's the thing. If I ever run into one, I will. That's the first question I'm going to ask.

I'm going to be like, "Girl, shout out. Tell me." Thank you. I appreciate that. Now, I'm curious. I'm about to research angler fish. That's a super fun fact.

Yeah. Thanks to Debb for that fact. Good fact. All right, guys. Well, we hope that you keep listening

and we hope you keep it weird. Keep it as weird as an angler fish, baby. They figured it out.

Keep it that weird. Yeah. Dance around the purse at your clubb. Your your deep sea club.

Yeah. Oh, I want to go to a actually I don't want to go to a deep sea club. I've probably been to one and I just didn't even know.

Woke up the next morning like that was weird. That's where your lore started. Yeah. Honestly,

my lore started at the deep sea cliff.

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