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A School’s Secret Intervention and a Mother’s Legal Reckoning

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "A School’s Secret Intervention and a Mother’s Legal Reckoning", an episode of Morning Wire published January 18, 2026 (17 min, about 3,267 words). It mentions 10 people, works and ideas, including Great Salt Bay Community School, Gender a Wider Lens, Sasha Aad, Stella Omelli, Amber Lavine.

What this episode is about

Amber Lavine discovered that her young daughter received breast-flattening clothing from a school social worker, prompting her to seek legal action to ensure parental rights in such matters. With the support of her attorney, she is appealing to the Supreme Court in hopes of preventing similar situations from occurring in the future.

Key takeaways

  • When a parent discovers a child's chest binder, it’s not just confusion—it's a wakeup call about school boundaries.
  • Amber Lavine's story highlights the worrying trend of school social workers overstepping parental rights in children's mental health.
  • In the debate over school vs community therapy, who knows your child better—the parent or a young social worker?
  • The rapid defense by school officials raises a question: Are they protecting students or their own reputations?
  • Amber’s predicament is a reminder for parents: Stay alert to the influences your kids face—especially at school.

Who speaks in this episode?

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 3:00: Good Ranchers, Good Ranchers, Amber Lavine, Adam Shelton
  2. – 6:00: Great Salt Bay Community School, Great Salt Bay Community School
  3. – 9:00: Great Salt Bay Community School, Great Salt Bay Community School
  4. – 15:00: Gender a Wider Lens, Sasha Aad, Stella Omelli, Gender a Wider Lens
  5. – 16:46: Adam Shelton, Amber Lavine

Notable quotes from "A School’s Secret Intervention and a Mother’s Legal Reckoning"

  • In December of 2022, Amber Lavine got a huge surprise while cleaning her young daughter's bedroom. She discovered clothing used to flatten breasts. She was even more surprised to.
    about Amber Lavine · at
  • Mine and yours for generations. No cameras, no headlines, just putting food on our tables. Our sponsor, Good Ranchers, is the only meat company I found that's 100% committed to…
    about Good Ranchers · at
  • Joining us now is Amber Lavine and her attorney Adam Shelton from the Shelton Goldwater Institute. Welcome to the show.
    about Adam Shelton · at
  • Now, the school is a public school in Maine, the Great Salt Bay Community School. What did school officials say when you did reach out to them?
    about Great Salt Bay Community School · at
  • Great spot to go to if you're trying to learn more about what's going on with gender is a great podcast called Gender a Wider Lens. It actually they stopped recording last…
    about Gender a Wider Lens · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • Sasha Aad — Person · Referenced expert (podcast co-host) · 1 mention · first at
    Named alongside Stella Omelli as a host of 'Gender: A Wider Lens' and as a facilitator of a parent summit Amber attended; cited as a compassionate resource for parents.
    Of resources. They've interviewed everybody in the gender world at this point. Their names are Stella Omelli and Sasha Aad. And the two women who facilitate that podcast are…
  • Stella Omelli — Person · Referenced expert (podcast co-host) · 1 mention · first at
    Named as one of the hosts of the podcast 'Gender: A Wider Lens,' recommended by Amber as a resource/support community for parents navigating youth gender-related issues.
    Of resources. They've interviewed everybody in the gender world at this point. Their names are Stella Omelli and Sasha Aad. And the two women who facilitate that podcast are…
  • Amber Lavine — Person · 3 mentions · first at
  • Adam Shelton — Person · 2 mentions · first at

Books & papers

  • Gender a Wider Lens — Book · 1 mention · first at
    Learn more about what's going on with gender is a great podcast called Gender a Wider Lens. It actually they stopped recording last year, but they have a great library of resources. They've interviewed everybody in the gender world at this.

Companies & orgs

  • Great Salt Bay Community School — Company · 2 mentions · first at
    Now, the school is a public school in Maine, the Great Salt Bay Community School. What did school officials say when you did reach out to them?

Places & events

  • Great Salt Bay Community School — Place · Setting · 2 mentions · first at
    The school where the incident involving Amber Lavine's daughter occurred, central to the legal case discussed.

Media & podcasts

  • Gender a Wider Lens — Media · Primary recommendation · 1 mention · first at
    Recommended resource by Amber Lavine for parents dealing with gender-related issues with their children.

Sponsors

  • Good Ranchers — Company · Sponsor · 2 mentions · first at
    Sponsor of the podcast episode, promoting their American meat products.
  • Good Ranchers — Sponsor · Sponsor · 2 mentions · first at
    The sponsor of the podcast episode, promoting American meat products.
    Mine and yours for generations. No cameras, no headlines, just putting food on our tables. Our sponsor, Good Ranchers, is the only meat company I found that's 100% committed to…

Full transcript with timestamps

In December of 2022, Amber Lavine got a huge surprise while cleaning her young daughter's bedroom. She discovered clothing used to flatten breasts. She was even more surprised to hear her daughter had gotten it from her school social worker. Now, Amber is asking the Supreme Court to make sure this doesn't happen to another parent.

In this episode, we sit down with Amber and the attorney representing her in front of the high court. I'm Daily Wire executive editor John Bickley with Georgia How. This is a weekend edition of Morning Wire.

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Joining us now is Amber Lavine and her attorney Adam Shelton from the Shelton Goldwater Institute. Welcome to the show.

Thanks for having us. Yes, thank you for having us. So, Amber, I wanted to start with well, the beginning of all this first. What did you think when you found that chest binder in your daughter's room? How old was she? How surprised were you? What was that like in that first discovery?

So, she was 13 at the time. I didn't know much about breast binding at the time, but I knew it wasn't like a typical sports bra. I knew that it wasn't something I had purchased for my daughter. Um, so I was very curious where it came from. Um, and I knew it was going to take a conversation or two to kind of parcel out with my daughter where it came from, but I was confused and concerned for sure.

And what did you learn when you asked her about it? I learned that um she received this binder from from a social worker at her school. Not only did she receive the one, but she received a second one as well. uh which raised great concern and lots of questions because I didn't even know she was meeting with this specific social worker at the time. Um so I immediately reached out to the school for answers.

And did she say she was in the process of socially transitioning? She didn't say that. She didn't say much to be honest with you. She was a little embarrassed, a little a little takenback that I had found this binder and she was keeping it from me. And like any 13-year-old, when they're caught in a lie with their parents, she she she didn't have much to say at first. Um, but she did know that I was pursuing conversations with the school at the time about it. But no, she wasn't necessarily saying that at the time she was socially transitioning. She was just um kind of trying to cover her tracks in the moment.

So, did you have any prior warnings at all that something was going on? I knew that she was feeling some anxiety. um not necessarily surrounding gender, but I had connected her with a therapist, a community therapist, um the spring prior to finding these binders in December of 2022. So, the spring of 2021, she began seeing a community therapist that she and I found for her mostly for some anxiety and depression she was experiencing.

Now, we've seen a pattern of a lot of these therapists pushing kids in this direction. Did that therapist seem to encourage this or was this more the school and the social worker?

It was more the school. The the community um therapist that I was working with was working very closely with me was being very honest and open with what was going on with my daughter. Um you know, but this is a therapist that I sought out within the community, which I tell parents all the time, if your if your student or your child needs help and they are in a public school setting, please go find a community therapist. Don't don't enlist the school social workers to help with this stuff because a lot of them are very young and um not as well trained as a lot of the community therapists and you just have more options.

Now, the school is a public school in Maine, the Great Salt Bay Community School. What did school officials say when you did reach out to them?

At first, they expressed some concern and it was a Friday evening when I sent the initial email. So they met with me on Monday and so pretty quickly they reacted. Um in hindsight I do I like in the email I mentioned a binder and the the principal called me on Saturday and she she expressed concern with what the binder contained as if it was a three- ring binder like you would find in a school setting. In hindsight, I think that was her trying to buy some time to try and rally rally her people to figure out how to how to cover their tracks. Um, but in the moment I thought it was a genuine like what was in this binder? I think she knew what I was talking about immediately. They met with me on Monday, expressed great concern, met with the social worker on Tuesday. By Wednesday they were telling me that the social worker didn't do anything wrong. And at that point I had pulled my daughter from

school. Um, and now here we are. So they quickly defended the social worker. You pulled your daughter out of the school and now you're taking legal action. Which brings us to you, Adam. What were the the legal steps? How did we get to this point where the case may be taken up by the Supreme Court?

From a legal point of view, we sent a letter to the school kind of explaining our view of the law and the situation and asking them to to change their policy and to make it explicit that these types of steps could not be taken without at the very least parental notice and notifying parents that this was happening. The school refused to change their policy. Uh so we we unpath of Amber filed a lawsuit in the federal district court for Maine. Um unfortunately both the district court in Maine and then the first court of appeals uh in Boston ruled against the claims.

And what were the arguments from those courts? The district and appeals courts. Why did they rule against you? What was their claims? So the the court of appeals determined that there was a obvious alternative explanation for the school's conduct and that was that um there there is a main law that allows a school counselor to establish a confidential relationship with a child. So they said that um the first circuit believed that that law um protected this sort of conduct or protected the the policy here um which is entirely besides the point because as we all know the US constitution trumps any state law,

right? And on that point, you maintain that Amber's constitutional rights have been violated. Can you unpack that legal argument for us?

Absolutely. So, the Supreme Court has held for for over a century now that parents have a fundamental right to control and direct the education and upbringing of their children. But a parent can't meaningfully do that. Can't meaningfully decide whether or not a specific school remains the best educational environment for their child if school officials are withholding information from parents. Especially information that directly affects the mental health or physical well-being of a child. That's exactly what happened here. Important information was withheld from Amber and it prevented her for for a certain amount of time from making the determination of whether or not the Great Salt Bay Community School remained the best educational environment for her child. when she found out um about the information, she determined that it wasn't the best educational environment for her trials going forward.

This is a pretty conservative Supreme Court overall. Do you anticipate that any precedent that they've set in their rulings will eventually work to your favor?

I think so. Just um a year and a half, two years ago, the Supreme Court held um in a religious freedom claim that parents had the right to opt out their children from certain from certain lessons. Now, we're bringing a strictly parental rights claim. Um but the the logic of that claim applies directly to this claim as well. Um and I think it's important to note that some of the justices on the court um especially Justice Clo have taken issue with some of these procedural steps that lower courts have taken to evade answering these important parental rights questions.

And what about active cases? Are there other similar cases right now that relate to this in some way?

There are two other cases that are currently being petitioned to the US Supreme Court right now. Um all these cases are at the very early stages in from a litigation point of view. Um basically in every one of these cases the government or the school has filed what's known as a motion to dismiss. So it prevents discovery from happening. It prevents any sort of factf finding from happening. So right now there there are two other cases besides Amber's case that are on appeal to this US Supreme Court. And there have been others in recent years where again, Justice Alto has noted that lower courts have been using kind of fancy procedural mechanisms to evade answering these questions. Um, and this case prevents another one of those situations. So, we're hopeful that the Supreme Court will take up this case, one of these other cases soon and really um answer an important national question about what

parental rights mean, especially in public in a public school setting. One more legal question. Is there an opportunity for your case to maybe be combined with other cases as we've seen with the transgender sports cases from Idaho and West Virginia?

That that's something the court chooses to do. And I would say that those other two cases um aren't really relevant to this particular case, which really just involves parental rights and parental notice. That there are other parental rights claims [snorts] that are currently pending. Um, and this case could potentially be combined with with one of those or um this the Supreme Court may do something known as essentially pausing this case while if they take up one of those other cases while they decide one of those other cases. Um, but that's all largely up to the Supreme Court and not really kind of one of our choices that we have. All we can do is uh, you know, petition the court to take up the case and say this is a really pressing national issue that needs their intervention.

So Amber, a couple of final questions for you. First of all, how is your relationship with your daughter doing today? If you feel comfortable talking about that, I'd love to hear about it.

Sure. Um, I feel very strongly that I need to protect her privacy, but I can speak to our relationship. And our relationship for a brief moment in time was definitely strained um because of adults that I trusted, which is tough tough to swallow I think for both of us as she's inched into her 16th year. um which is crazy that she's 16, but our relationship is great. Um we attend a lot of wonderful, you know, performances together and things like that. We we spend a lot of time just trying to connect just she and I. I have two younger children. Um her brothers are nine and 12 years younger than her. And so I try to to spend some time just she and I because a lot of the stuff that I'm doing with her brothers are things that 16-year-old girls are not interested in. Um, but yeah, our relationship is great.

I think a lot of parents probably are afraid, first of all, about what happens to their relationship with their child if they come in too strong, if they're maybe heavy-handed. And that's good to hear that your relationship's so good. Broading out on the larger issue here, there's lots of cases, I'm sure, just like yours, Amber, in terms of parents feeling blindsided by what's going on in the schools. There are some states that do have protections for parents, but many don't. Have you had other parents reach out to you and what advice would you offer them?

Yeah. Um I've connected with people honestly across the world at this point um because of this very issue. I attended a wonderful um summit for parents that free psychotherapists across the world um put together for parents. I met approximately 20 to 25 other families who have kids who are going through something similar and their stories are are heartbreaking to be fair. It's really difficult to hear how how impacted parents are because of of what's going on with their kids and they feel like they can't speak out oftent times. Um so yes, I've had many people because I've been so vocal um reach out to me and I think there are a few things that parents can do to try and mitigate this from happening with with their kids. First of all, um, if you can pull your kids out of public school currently, um, I just don't feel like public schools and and I don't blame teachers. I think there are some

amazing teachers out there who don't know how to handle their own morals and values being conflicted with administration telling them that this is how they have to handle things. I think that's why we're finding a lot of teachers leaving the field. Um, so if you can get them out of public schools. Secondly, um we need to pay more attention to what our kids are doing online. I think that a lot of parents are so afraid to let their kids take a walk downtown with a friend, but they let their kids have free reign of the internet. And I think the internet is far more dangerous, especially in a wonderful state like Maine where crime rates are very low. Um let your kids go explore the outdoor world and have them put the technology away. Um there's a lot of nefarious stuff going on online and um I mean we've all fallen down rabbit holes on the internet. So our kids are no different. So I think that that's

another thing that that parents need to do and and you need to connect to your kids. I think that parents too end up on technology far more than than they should be and they're neglecting not neglecting their kids but they're not spending quality time with their children anymore. Sit down and have dinner with your kids every night and ask them what their favorite part of the day was. Um, so connecting with your children in a deeper way than just, you know, passing by like ships in the night is really important as well. Um, it's easy to get caught up in the dayto-day.

I work a lot. I get it. I go home, I'm tired at night, but you have to make time for quality family time.

Well, I for one never fail to make quality family time. I'm kidding. Of course, it's really hard. You know, I think a lot of parents do feel alone in these circumstances. You mentioned you had one counselor that seemed to be very helpful. You've talked to other parents. there are resources. Do you have any advice in terms of where people should look for help?

Yeah. Um I I have I have a long list of resources for people that I I email out to people all the time. Um I think one great spot to go to if you're trying to learn more about what's going on with gender is a a great podcast called Gender a Wider Lens. It actually they they they stopped um recording last year, but um they have a a great library of resources. They've interviewed everybody in the gender world at this point. Their names are Stella Omelli and Sasha Aad. And the two women who facilitate that podcast are two of the women who facilitated the summit that I went to. So I've met them in person.

They're very compassionate people who really care about these kids and understand that they are going through something heavy. They also really care about what parents are going through and I do think that oftentimes parents are just this lost population amongst all of this and they're really struggling. So I think that's a great starting point and they both have parents groups that meet week some weekly some monthly and they're all parents who are going through something similar and it's like anything else. It's like aa, you know, um it's a support group of people who really understand and can connect with you in a way that people who haven't experienced this can't. Um so that's a good starting point, but there's a plethora of resources out there.

So final question, what is the next step legally for this appeal? Yeah, so the Supreme Court is going to um you know consider this issue that the school board has until January 28th to reply to the petition. Um, then it just depends on when the Supreme Court wants to review it and it's really up to them, but we're we're very hopeful that the Supreme Court's going to take a serious look at this at this case. Um, because it does present an issue of national importance.

Well, many parents across the country would certainly agree with that, I'm sure. Thank you so much both of you for coming on the show.

Thank you, John. Thank you. That was Amber Lavine and attorney Adam Shelton, and this has been a weekend edition of Morning Wire.

Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "A School’s Secret Intervention and a Mother’s Legal Reckoning"?

John Bickley (Host), Amber Lavine (Guest), Adam Shelton (Guest).

What is "A School’s Secret Intervention and a Mother’s Legal Reckoning" about?

Amber Lavine discovered that her young daughter received breast-flattening clothing from a school social worker, prompting her to seek legal action to ensure parental rights in such matters. With the support of her attorney, she is appealing to the Supreme Court in hopes of preventing similar situations from occurring in the future.

What is mentioned in this Morning Wire episode?

10 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Great Salt Bay Community School, Gender a Wider Lens, Sasha Aad, Stella Omelli, Amber Lavine, Adam Shelton. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "A School’s Secret Intervention and a Mother’s Legal Reckoning"?

The episode runs 17 min; the transcript is about 3,267 words in 38 timestamped sections.

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