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A Teen, a Diagnosis, and the Escape From Transgender Ideology

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "A Teen, a Diagnosis, and the Escape From Transgender Ideology", an episode of Morning Wire published December 20, 2025 (29 min, about 5,145 words). It mentions 24 people, works and ideas, including Simon Amaya Price, Gareth Amaya Price, transgender ideology, medical transition, mental health.

What this episode is about

The topic explores the experiences of detransitioners, particularly focusing on a father-son duo who share their journey from gender dysphoria to clarity, challenging the prevailing medical practices that advocate for medical transitions in children. It highlights the growing concerns regarding the treatment of youth with gender identity issues and the voices advocating for more critical examination of these practices.

Key takeaways

  • Transitioning isn't a cure-all; dransitioners tell us there's more to identity than medical labels.
  • The unintended consequences of gender confusion often stem from bullying, not identity crises—let's rethink our approach.
  • Influential medical associations advocate for transitions, despite former patients voicing serious concerns about their experiences.
  • Weight cycling isn't just a diet story; it highlights our perpetual struggle for self-control in a food-saturated culture.
  • HelloFresh is revolutionizing meal kits, but can convenience outweigh the importance of cooking skills in home kitchens?

Who speaks in this episode?

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 5:00: transgender ideology, Simon Amaya Price, Gareth Amaya Price, medical transition
  2. – 10:00: Simon Amaya Price, Gareth Amaya Price, Boston Children's Hospital, gender identity
  3. – 15:00: mental health, Gareth Amaya Price, Boston Children's Hospital
  4. – 20:00: Boston Latin School, Bard College at Simon's Rock, Woke Racism, John McWhorter
  5. – 25:00: Independent Women's Voice, Heritage Foundation, social change, classical liberalism
  6. – 29:25: Independent Women's Voice, Identity Crisis

Notable quotes from "A Teen, a Diagnosis, and the Escape From Transgender Ideology"

  • Warnings from these former patients, America's most influential medical associations still advocate medical transition in response to gender confusion. In this episode, we sit…
    about medical transition · at
  • Both are participating in a documentary series for the Independent Women's Voice regarding transgender ideology. So, for listeners who want to hear more about that story, we're…
    about transgender ideology · at
  • Friend group and I was a couple weeks after that sexually assaulted by an older boy. And in my sex ed class, they taught us about the gender unicorn and I had joined what I…
    about gender unicorn · at
  • YouTuber named Contra Points, which is where I learned about these concepts of gender identity, gender dysphoria, and transition.
    about gender identity · at
  • Wouldn't be entirely wrong. I think probably I only thought about it for a couple of weeks and then I told my therapist at Boston Children's Hospital about it and she…
    about Simon Amaya Price · at
  • Ever heard. I remember telling my doctor saying to that pediatrician, I said, Look, I brought my son to you because he was cutting himself. And I did that because I wanted the cutting to stop, not because I wanted a professional to do it.
    about Gareth Amaya Price · at
  • From like 1% to 3%, but even back in 2016 2017, I was at Boston Latin School and I had classmates who were going by male names. I was almost all the girls going by all girls…
    about Boston Latin School · at
  • COVID happened and I actually went to college two years early when I was 16 at Bard College at Simon's Rock another hotbed for this and this is out in western Massachusetts in…
    about Bard College at Simon's Rock · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • Simon Amaya Price — Person · Main guest · 2 mentions · first at
    Simon recounts his adolescent gender dysphoria, social/trauma context, near-medicalization, and later desistance, framing the episode’s critique of youth gender medicine and school/clinical affirmation.
  • Gareth Amaya Price — Person · Main guest · 4 mentions · first at
    Gareth provides the parent perspective, describing resistance to clinical affirmation, family conflict over pronouns, and broader cultural critique of gender ideology in schools and medicine.
  • Contra Points — Person · Referenced influencer · 1 mention · first at
    Simon cites ContraPoints videos shown in GSA as a source for learning about gender identity/dysphoria/transition concepts.
    Activities as well was watching YouTube videos by this transgender maleto-female YouTuber named Contra Points, which is where I learned about these concepts of gender identity, gender dysphoria, and transition.
  • John McWhorter — Person · Referenced author · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned as the author of Woke Racism and as an alumnus of Simon’s Rock, tied to Simon’s ideological re-evaluation.
    Actually the summer before my first year of college, my dad recommended me the book Woke Racism by John Mcuarter, who you may have heard of. He's actually one of the probably…

Books & papers

  • Woke Racism — Book · Referenced book · 1 mention · first at
    Simon describes the book as recommended by Gareth and as part of a broader ideological shift during college that contributed to his reassessment of social beliefs.
    Fortunate unfortunate events. so the actually the summer before my first year of college, my dad recommended me the book Woke Racism by John Mcuarter, who you may have heard…

Companies & orgs

  • Boston Children's Hospital — Company · Referenced institution · 2 mentions · first at
    Simon describes receiving mental health care there and experiencing immediate affirmation of a transgender identity, which is central to the episode’s critique of clinical practice.
    Wouldn't be entirely wrong. I think probably I only thought about it for a couple of weeks and then I told my therapist at Boston Children's Hospital about it and she…
  • Independent Women's Voice — Company · Publisher/partner organization · 3 mentions · first at
    The organization is producing the documentary series featuring Simon and Gareth and is the vehicle for their public advocacy in the episode.
    Yeah, thank you. Now, I understand you both are participating in a documentary series for the Independent Women's Voice regarding transgender ideology. So, for listeners who want to hear more about that story, we're going to include a.
  • Boston Latin School — Company · Referenced institution · 3 mentions · first at
    Simon cites Boston Latin as an early environment where transgender identification and pronoun/name changes were already present among peers.
  • Bard College at Simon's Rock — Company · Referenced institution · 1 mention · first at
    Simon attended Simon’s Rock early; he describes campus ideological conflict and social dynamics as part of his shift away from a transgender identity.
  • Heritage Foundation — Company · Referenced organization · 1 mention · first at
    Simon describes being invited to a Heritage Foundation summit, illustrating his entry into national conservative policy networks around gender ideology.
    Audience of both in person and virtual of over a hundred people. And then I got invited to the Heritage Foundation in January to a private they have like a yearly private…
  • MIT — Company · Referenced venue · 1 mention
    Simon says he held an event at MIT after a Berklee cancellation, indicating external platforms for his advocacy.

Concepts & topics

  • transgender ideology — Concept · Core topic · 2 mentions · first at
    The guests frame school clubs, curricula, and medical pathways as promoting an ideology that encourages identity labels and medicalization of distress.
  • medical transition — Concept · Core topic · 1 mention · first at
    Discussed as the recommended response from clinicians (gender clinic, hormones) and as a pathway Simon nearly pursued, including mention of gray/black market hormones.
  • mental health — Concept · Core topic · 3 mentions · first at
    Simon’s depression/anxiety/self-harm are presented as primary issues that, in the guests’ view, were sidelined by gender-affirming responses.
    Ever heard. I remember telling my doctor saying to that pediatrician, I said, Look, I brought my son to you because he was cutting himself. And I did that because I wanted the cutting to stop, not because I wanted a professional to do it.
  • homophobic bullying — Concept · Key causal/context factor · 1 mention · first at
    Simon describes prolonged bullying and threats as a major contributor to distress and identity confusion preceding dysphoria claims.
    Yeah, it was kind of a culmination of a number of factors. In middle school, I had been the target of homophobic bullying for about two years straight, which included death…
  • gender identity — Concept · Supporting concept · 1 mention · first at
    Introduced as a framework Simon learned through GSA content (including YouTube videos), shaping his interpretation of discomfort and social stressors.
  • gender unicorn — Concept · Referenced educational tool · 2 mentions · first at
    Simon cites it from sex ed as part of early exposure to gender identity frameworks that influenced his interpretation of self.
  • social change — Concept · Supporting concept · 1 mention · first at
    Appears via Simon’s Berklee class and frames his activism as a social-change project focused on detransitioners and youth gender medicine.
    Berkeley, I took this class with my favorite professor called Songwriting and Social Change. And for the final project, we were supposed to put on an event about a social…
  • classical liberalism — Concept · Referenced political philosophy · 1 mention · first at
    Gareth invokes classical liberalism to explain his broader worldview while arguing current social conditions require coalition-building across ideologies.
    On. And look, I'm still kind of fundamentally I believe in the dream of classical liberalism, but I do understand that in order for that dream to be tenable and to thrive, you need to have a healthy, cohesive, and unified.

Places & events

  • Chestnut Hill — Place · Setting (school area) · 1 mention · first at
    Used to locate Simon’s small private school during 9th–10th grade, contextualizing his environment outside Boston proper.
    About a 450 500 thereabouts kids per grade and then for 9th and 10th grade I went to a very small private school in Chestnut Hill kind of Newton area which is just outside of Boston. So that's where I was about and you know two.
  • Newton — Place · Setting (school area) · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned as the area near Simon’s private school, situating the narrative geographically.
    500 thereabouts kids per grade and then for 9th and 10th grade I went to a very small private school in Chestnut Hill kind of Newton area which is just outside of Boston. So…
  • Berkshires — Place · Setting (college region) · 1 mention · first at
    Referenced to emphasize Simon’s distance from gender clinics while attending Simon’s Rock in western Massachusetts.
    College two years early when I was 16 at Bard College at Simon's Rock another hotbed for this and this is out in western Massachusetts in the Birkshars quite far from any…

Media & podcasts

  • Identity Crisis — Media · Referenced media project · 2 mentions · first at
    The documentary series featuring Simon and Gareth is promoted as a place to hear more of their story and frames their activism.
    Yeah, thank you. Now, I understand you both are participating in a documentary series for the Independent Women's Voice regarding transgender ideology. So, for listeners who want to hear more about that story, we're going to include a.

Sponsors

  • weight cycling — Concept · Sponsor segment topic · 1 mention · first at
    Appears only in an advertisement read; not part of the episode’s main discussion.
    Regaining several hundred lbs over the years. You've probably done it without knowing there's a name for it. It's called weight cycling. You lose 10 lbs, you feel great, then…

Full transcript with timestamps

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Joining us now to discuss their experience with gender dysphoria and now their activism to protect other young people from predatory medical practices is Simon and Gareth Amaya Price. Gareth and Simon, thank you for coming on.

Thanks for having us. Yeah, thank you. Now, I understand you both are participating in a documentary series for the Independent Women's Voice regarding transgender ideology. So, for listeners who want to hear more about that story, we're going to include a link for that in the description. But first, Simon, tell us how old are you now and when did you begin having confusion about your gender?

Yeah, so as of June 2nd, I am 21 years old. uh I first started having doubts about the whole gender issue when I was about halfway uh along the the year of being 14.

And what kind of things were going through your mind at that time that planted doubts? Where did that come from?

Yeah, it was it was kind of a culmination of a number of factors. In middle school, I had been the target of homophobic bullying for about two years straight, which included death threats and regular slurs. Uh that fall I had also in of ninth grade. So when I was 14, I had also recently lost my whole friend group and I was a couple weeks after that uh sexually assaulted by an older boy. And in my sex ed class, they taught us about the gender unicorn and I had joined what I thought to be the gay straight alliance which really ended up being a gender ideology indoctrination club. And so that's kind of what was going through my mind at the point. You know, I didn't fit in with other boys. I was having all these different social difficulties, discomfort with my body and I thought that the answer was, you know, that I was secretly a girl inside.

Now, you mentioned that you were experiencing a lot of bullying and homophobic type comments. Were you openly gay at this time? Uh, is that what people were honing in on or how did that come about?

I didn't come out as bisexual until the end of 8th grade. Uh, they bullied me just because I looked and I acted gay. Um, I wore button-down shirts and long pants every day, which is very different than the sports casual wear that boys my age wore. And I, uh, talked in a little bit, uh, I enunciated a bit more than my classmates, which is oftent times seen as being an indication of sexuality for some reason, which I think is absurd.

Now, you said when you were in the GSA, and when I was in high school, that stood for gay straight alliance. You said you thought it was going to be one thing, but it turned out to be uh, totally another. What did you experience there?

Yeah, so I I really was expecting to get some support for the struggles that I was having after being bullied for uh my perceived sexuality as perceived by others. Uh in reality, what I found is we would oftentimes have conversations about uh what it gender dysphoria and being trans and queerness and all of these kind of exotic uh identities you may have heard of like asexuality and pansexuality and being a non-binary and whatnot. And one of the regular activities as well was watching YouTube videos by this transgender maleto-female YouTuber named Contra Points, which is where I learned about these concepts of gender identity, gender dysphoria, and transition.

Now, Dad Gareth, what were you observing at this time? Did you notice any red flags or did you notice anything was off during this period when he was about 14? Well, you know, Simon was an unusual boy, and we didn't know. Maybe he'd grow up to be gay, maybe he'd grow up to be straight. And didn't make much difference to us. We knew that he acted different from the way the other boys acted. He was uh very intellectual, much more driven towards music and math than he was driven towards sports. He wasn't going to be caught dead wearing a Red Sox jersey. in athletic shorts at school. That just wasn't going to happen. And so when he complained about the other boys treating him badly when he was in middle school, we thought, you know, that's pretty much par for the course. And uh we hoped to support him as best as we could when he did go to high school, which was a different high school. Uh I wish I had

known some things then that I know now. for example, to tell children if they see a group called GSA, they should ask what GSA stands for because I've heard you saying Gay Straight Alliance. And I can tell you right now that's not what's going on. It's gender sexuality alliance and it's all about the gender. And this there's been a sort of what I call a pokemonization of gender and sexuality identities where there are hundreds of them and the children are pushed beginning in elementary school really to pick one little flag and one little acronym for their particular brand of you know attraction to other people or caring about romance or how they feel about their body. It's a completely different thing than the situation of kids who grow up and have to deal with the idea that maybe they're they're male and attracted to other males or female and attracted to other females. Those kids aren't going to get a lot of help in a

GSA these days. Now, Simon, you mentioned you were at a very small, at least middle school, maybe high school as well. Just regionally, where are you from? And were these private schools or public schools? Yeah, I was born and raised in Boston and so for middle school I actually went to Boston Latin School where there are about a 450 500 uh thereabouts uh kids per grade and then for 9th and 10th grade I went to a very small private school in in Chestnut Hill kind of Newton area uh which is just outside of Boston. So that that's where I was was about and you know two very different circumstances for sure.

Oh okay. So, you were 14 and a half and you started having these doubts that maybe you were the wrong gender. Uh, you mentioned the gender unicorn. I believe that's what they call that. How long did that transition period take or was it a period of months when you were just playing around with this idea and it progressed or how quickly did it all happen and what was that experience like? Yeah, I think from my if you asked my dad that question, he'd say it happened almost overnight and he wouldn't be entirely wrong. Um, I think probably I only thought about it for a couple of weeks and then I told my therapist at Boston Children's Hospital about it and she immediately affirmed me and I said to myself, well, I must be completely right about this. uh since I have a trained medical professional actually two medical professionals and then eventually three medical professionals uh backing me up

unconditionally. Um so it was really you know 0 to 100 thing in and not quite a long period of time.

So you mentioned there were three medical professionals. How did you get in front of those medical professionals? How did you become involved with the system? Yeah. So, I was my dad and my parents saw that I was having some significant mental health struggles in the winter of 9th grade and and for kind of just a time frame, this was uh I believe 2018 2019 uh that winter and so they brought me to Boston Children's and I I saw a therapist, a psychologist at Boston Children's Baltham and a psychiatrist there as well who prescribed me medication. And then the third medical professional who affirmed me was my pediatrician. So, you know, I came in and I was like, "Hey, I think I'm really a girl inside." And they're like, "Oh, amazing. You're so brave for coming out. Here's all of these different resources. Here's the gender clinic. You should go here as soon as you can. You know, you should sneak out behind your parents' backs to

go to this transgender support group." Um, all of this sort of stuff. And it really came to a head uh I think uh around my 15th birthday, maybe a month or two before sometime around then. I had my yearly checkup with my pediatrician and I told him about my gender dysphoria and how my dad wasn't taking me to the gender clinic and I I remember quite distinctly he asked my dad in front of me, would you like a dead son or a living daughter? and an effort to basically blackmail my dad into bringing me to the gender clinic where I'd get hormones.

So, dad, it sounds like you had doubts about this or maybe just doubts about the pace of it. What was going through your mind when these medical professionals were encouraging a physical transformation?

You know, I think doubts might be uh downplaying what I thought about this. Certainly among my thoughts were that why am I bringing my son to these people when he's having mental struggle struggles if they're crazier than he is? This honestly was the dumbest thing I'd ever heard. I remember telling my doctor saying to that pediatrician, I said, "Look, I brought my son to you because he was cutting himself." And I did that because I wanted the cutting to stop, not because I wanted a professional to do it. It was absolutely the most absurd thing I've ever heard that I've brought I brought a child to you who is struggling, who is depressed, who is anxious, who is unsure what's real or what's not real. He was really having a lot of trouble.

And he says this magic word, I think I'm a woman inside. And all of a sudden, everything [clears throat] he says is clear as a bell, has to be true, and I must take him to the gender clinic where honestly, I don't think they've ever seen a kid they didn't agree was trans. I think it's their policy. And I thought again, [clears throat] who's the crazy person in this picture? Comparatively, it wasn't him. So, it sounds like you were very clear from the start about how you felt. Were you open about that with the doctor? And if so, how did that confrontation go? I know there are some kids that will get removed from their homes uh in certain states over things like this. What was that like?

Well, with the pediatrician, I I think I might have uh spoken a little too openly and uh I pretty much went up one side and down the other of him. We never saw him again, which was good. we switched pediatricians with the psychiatrist. I felt like I had to be very careful about what I was saying because again, they kept recommending I take them to the gender clinic. And you know, I thought I know that there are people who in adulthood persist into this idea that they're really the opposite sex, but this is a 14-year-old boy. It's preposterous to say that because this unhappy, suffering 14-year-old boy says, "I think I'm a woman inside." That that's what we need to work on right now. We don't need to work on the uh we don't need to work on the depression. We don't need to work on the anxiety. We need to work on putting more drugs into his system. How could that possibly dispel the kind of confusion

that he was suffering with? Now, Simon, how did this affect your relationship, at least with your dad? I don't know about other family members. You can elaborate on that. Uh, when you announced that you felt like you were trans, and it sounds like you didn't have much affirmation in your home, how did that affect your family relationships or your life in general?

Well, it was rather deletterious to our our relationship. I hated my father for about three or four years. Um and and that that takes a toll on a young man. Um and on my mom didn't really and on an old man.

Um and that uh my mom didn't really talk about it a lot. I didn't really talk about it much with my other family members. And it was really something I I kept to the medical professionals in my life and uh my friends and the people at school. And so it just uh I actually I think I ran away from home like once or twice. Um three times. Um and uh you know my I met my my first girlfriend when I was 15 so in 10th grade. And uh she was very you know accepting and affirming.

Hey you can't call her she anymore. That's misgendering. Yeah. She ended up h it's so sad. She she ended up um transitioning after we broke up and uh unfortunately I wish I could say that was the only case [snorts] of of that happening. But um anyways,

now would you say a Boston Latin and uh Brimmer and May is a hot bed of this or would you say that all the schools in the area have a lot of this? Yeah. Uh, Boston Latin School, uh, it it was a hot bed. I mean, even while I was there and and keep in mind over the pandemic, the rate of transgender identification in my generation jumped like three times uh, from like 1% to 3%, but even back in in 2016 2017, um, I was at Boston Latin School and I had I had classmates who were going by male names. I was almost all the girls going by by um all girls who were doing this who went by male names or he him pronouns. I knew one who went by it its pronouns.

Um and so I I can't imagine that it's gotten any better since then. And and Brimmer for sure. I mean after I I left uh my graduating class ended up being about uh the boys one six of them ended up identifying as transgender. So, it's only gotten worse since I I've left. And again, I'm going to say 3% of my generation again is identifying as transgender. This is this is an epidemic of of really monumental proportions, which I think that people do not understand that this is everywhere. Um, you might think you're the only person you know who has like a granddaughter who is transgender or whose friend has as a daughter who's transgender or a son, but everybody knows somebody at this point.

So, did you pursue some of the medical treatments or how close did you come to doing that? Um I was I I I attempted to pursue them but uh fortunately uh COVID happened and I actually went to college two years early when I was 16 at Bard College at Simon's Rock another hotbed for this and this is out in western Massachusetts in the Birkshars quite far from any gender clinics. So that made it rather difficult for me. Um what what I did do um and this is something that is a very serious issue. There are lots of places uh that are are gray or black market where uh adults on the internet will give children I was a child at 16 legally speaking in the state of Massachusetts [snorts] um hormones sometimes even for free and I I quite nearly did that but I decided against it because I was afraid of internet strangers.

Yeah, those are some of the very worst ones. Um so how did things turn? You sound very clear-minded about this now. What changed and snapped you out of it?

Yeah, I wish I could point at one particular thing, but it was really kind of a a series of fortunate unfortunate events. Um, so the actually the summer before my first year of college, my dad recommended me the book Woke Racism by John Mcuarter, who you may have heard of. He's actually one of the probably the most preeminent African-American alum from Bard College at Simons's Rock, which is where I was. Yeah. Which and that's where I was my my first year. And I had my um freshman seminar and the topic of affirmative action came up and my turn to to speak came and I was like, you know, I think this is stupid and racist and actually doesn't work. And people got really mad at me for that. My my professor demanded I apologize. And of course, me being the kind of uh the nice way to put this is persistent individual I am, um I refused. I failed the class and I started getting threats from my

classmates and I actually it got so bad I had to move dorms and I realized, wow, all of the kind of social um support I got uh for being a living as a quote unquote trans woman uh instantly disappeared the moment I thought something different than the people around me. And this uh led me to hang out with some boys my age who were the only people who would talk to me. Some of them were even Republican, you know, and at at this point in my life that was quite scandalous um from from my point of view, but they didn't really care that I disagreed with them. And it was like the first time in my life I'm hanging out with people my age who don't hate me for for being different.

[snorts] And that that was a really different experience. And I ended up transferring to Berkeley College of Music which where I graduated last December. Kum laada. Um and I there my first year there I joined a sexual assault survivor support group where I was able to kind of really process the trauma of what had happened to me when I was 14. And I'd probably say that was the last nail in my coffin and in the coffin of my transgender identity. And that coincided with my uh girlfriend, the second one who transitioned after breaking up with me.

uh breaking up with me. So, yeah. Now, Dad Gareth, did you rekindle your relationship at this point? What was that like?

Well, you know, it took a while. You know, he was really mad at me. He was mad at me because I I wouldn't use the pro whatever pronouns he was liking. He wouldn't I wouldn't call him she and I certainly wouldn't call him they because that always confused the heck out of me. I remember one of the times he ran away and he was at his his girlfriend's house and I called up uh his girlfriend's dad and I'm like is is Simon over there and he's like they're here and I'm like you mean Simon and his girlfriend or just they or just Simon they? Which they is it? You know it's just unnecessarily confusing.

I I don't think Simon appreciated my u sarcasm and flippant attitude towards these questions because uh I I'm just not a very reverent guy. What can I say? And when I was confronted, you know, I didn't have a lot of reverence to the religions surrounding me when I was a kid. And now that this new religion has been shoved in my face, I have even less reverence for it. So, uh yeah, it it was difficult for us to find our way back uh in terms of the things that we both believed and the things that we we both love, but we we got there.

And it sounds like you had some clashes with other adults over this socially, uh particularly with the girlfriend's dad. I'm going to guess he was very affirming. Uh, what was it like being the parent who wouldn't affirm and wouldn't use the correct pronouns? Was that challenging?

Well, you know, let's just say he only came over for dinner one time. True story. True story.

Now, Gareth and Simon, what motivated you to get involved with this documentary? Independent Women's Voice is an explicitly conservative organization. It sounds like you weren't at least initially warm to Republicans, uh, or at least people with more of a conservative worldview. How did you get teamed up with them?

Yeah. Um, so about a year ago now, right before I was getting ready to graduate from Berkeley, I took this class with my favorite professor called Songwriting and Social Change. And for the final project, uh, we were supposed to put on an event about a social change topic that we were passionate about. I wanted to do mine on distorters and dransitioners. So, I actually got a grant from the DEI department for up to $1,000. I reserved a room through the normal Berkeley system. I contacted public safety to make sure that they were aware of it happening and would send out an officer. Um but ended up it ended up being cancelled by the I I believe it was the provost the dean uh Ron Savage [snorts] and uh that was a mistake on his part let's say u the Daily Signal picked up my story and fired it as well and by the end of the month or by the end of December I had written an op-ed for the Boston Globe given the event um put on

the event at MIT to a combined uh audience of both in person and virtual of over a hundred people. And then I got invited to the Heritage Foundation in January to a private um uh they have like a yearly uh private conference uh summit to endgender ideology that I was invited to. And I met all of these really lovely people from really across the political spectrum. So, you know, lesbian radical feminists all the way to like Christian nationalist types. And I was like, "Wow, this is really what America is about. we can set aside what we disagree about and come together and work on the things we really do agree on. And and look, you know, I'm still kind of fundamentally uh I believe in the the dream of classical liberalism, but I do understand that in order for that dream to be tenable and to thrive, you need to have a a healthy, cohesive, and unified society. And that's something we don't

have right now. And so my disagreements with the conservatives really aren't applicable to the point we are in society right now. And so I have no reservations working with them. I'll talk to anybody who'll talk to me. For me, Simon is a little more conservative than I am at this point. We have a bunch of arguments about this topic or the other topic. I was raised as a liberal. I'm still a liberal. Sorry. But you know what? This is not a liberal versus conservative issue. It just isn't. This is an issue of common sense in reality versus insanity and insanity that's oppressive to people and harmful for children. I really don't care who I am going to go talk with and agree with. I don't care where they're coming from on other issues. We don't. You and I, we could have a conversation about another issue that we would very much disagree about. That's not relevant to the point.

The point is that all of us, conservatives liberals you know, gay people, straight people, men and women, we have to get together and and just see the reality and agree that it's terrible to tell children that they're born in the wrong body and that they need medical intervention to change their body to fit their feelings. Now, do you sense there's more space for those conversations now than even just a few years ago? Are you feeling more optimistic?

I want to say that I am. And I don't know about, you know, really politically active people, but I can tell you the number of people that I've had a conversation with in person who've said, you know what, you're completely right about this. I absolutely agree that this is terrible for children and I'm really glad it hasn't visited my family. I don't think we're seeing a lot in the media right now, but when this first started for us, I did feel uh very alone on the left as it were. And I can tell you right now, I don't feel so alone anymore because I know that most people on the left, if they really look inside themselves and ask themselves seriously, is this really what we want to be telling children, the answer is no. I just wanted to to touch on really the people who are being sucked up on into this and why they're being sucked into it. Um, a lot of these people are uh having identity struggles. So, a lot of

them can be are I found are actually children of of first generation immigrants, for example. A lot of them are autistic. A lot of them are same-sex attracted. And I think a really big reason why boys at least are are getting sucked into this is because of the really negative messages we have in our culture right now about masculinity and this indoctrination that we receive in school telling us that, you know, all men are are bad and that men are, you know, complicit in, you know, the sexual assault of women and are eternal oppressors and all these different sorts of really negative narratives. And so as a young boy when you notice in yourself your masculinity and these kind of uh this vitality you start to see that oh no I'm becoming the thing I've been taught to fear. And so instead of turning that into productive action you turn it inwards and it becomes a very destructive force. So, we really need to

be helping these young, sensitive, oftentimes autistic boys have a place where they can they can be with their peers, where they can get the the help they need in a way that doesn't tell them that they're wrong.

Yeah, I totally agree with that. Simon Gareth, thank you so much for coming on today.

Thank you for having us. Thank you. That was Simon and Gareth Amaya Price. And you can hear more about their story in the new documentary series, Identity Crisis, put out by the Independent Women's Voice. And this has been a weekend edition of Morning Wire.

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