10 Year Anniversary Special! (with Steven Ray Morris) | MFM 515

What this episode is about

The ten-year anniversary special reflects on the journey of the podcast, celebrating a decade of growth, unexpected opportunities, and the deep personal connections that have developed over the years. Hosts Georgia Hardstark and Karen Kilgariff share their memories and milestones, emphasizing the significance of their experiences and the impact of shared storytelling on their lives and the lives of their listeners.

Key takeaways

• Ten years in podcasting: proof that sometimes just saying 'yes' can lead to extraordinary adventures.
• From apartments to Carnegie Hall, the journey shows that passion often trumps practicality in creative careers.
• Starting a podcast days after personal loss may seem like madness; sometimes, it's the best therapy.
• Decade anniversary gifts? Tin symbolizes resilience—perfect for a duo who've navigated fame and friendship's pressures.
• In a world of niche podcasts, Karen and Georgia remind us that relatable storytelling can connect us all.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Karen Kilgariff (Host) · 45 min speaking
• Georgia Hardstark (Host) · 45 min speaking
• Steven Ray Morris (Guest) · 27 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 10:00: My Favorite Murder, Exactly Right, Ryman Hall, Brides.com
2. 10:00 – 20:00: Stephen Ray Morris, Exactly Right, MFM
3. 20:00 – 30:00: Stay Sexy, Don't Get Murdered
4. 40:00 – 50:00: Golden State Killer, My Favorite Murder, Exactly Right
5. 50:00 – 1:00:00: Golden State Killer, My Favorite Murder
6. 1:00:00 – 1:10:00: MFM, Golden State Killer
7. 1:10:00 – 1:20:00: MFM, Penny Lane
8. 1:20:00 – 1:29:57: My Favorite Murder

Notable quotes from "10 Year Anniversary Special! (with Steven Ray Morris) | MFM 515"

• We've never met Carnegie, no Ryman Hall.

  about Ryman Hall · at 1:01

• They gave us a network. It only took us a decade.

  about Exactly Right · at 8:45

• If you guys don't know, Stephen made his debut as our engineer on episode 23, and he was our editor, our fax checker, and my cats. Yes.

  about Stephen Ray Morris · at 13:50

• Gosh, obviously that takes us like step number eight MFM in pop culture.

  about MFM · at 18:14

• So then when, number seven, writing the book.

  about Stay Sexy, Don't Get Murdered · at 26:46

• Yeah, make it a place where everyone gets to be themselves and creative and not being told what to do because I don't think like nowadays, my favorite murder would be picked up on a big network.

  about My Favorite Murder · at 47:39

• Because I feel like I mean again, the Golden State killer getting caught was so such a part of the.

  about Golden State Killer · at 49:24

• And then you got a lot of Penny Lane Arts.

  about Penny Lane · at 1:16:15

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Stephen Ray Morris — Person · Special guest (anniversary countdown reader); former engineer/editor · 3 mentions · first at 12:33
  Brought in as a celebratory guest to walk through top moments; described as early engineer/editor/fact-checker integral to the show’s production.
• Penny Lane — Person · Referenced pet (dog) in show community/pet lore · 1 mention · first at 1:16:12
  Mentioned in the context of fan-shared pet stories and memorializing pets; explicitly referenced as deceased (“Rest in peace”).

Companies & orgs

• Exactly Right — Company · Business focus · 4 mentions · first at 8:45
  The podcast network created by the hosts, discussed as part of their business.
• Brides.com — Company · Incidental · 1 mention · first at 5:10
  Mentioned in passing, no direct relevance to the podcast's discussion.
  Well, according to brides.com, the decade long anniversary gift is traditionally tin aluminum, which symbolizes the strength and resilience of your marriage.

Concepts & topics

• My Favorite Murder — Concept · Core topic · 5 mentions · first at 0:10
  The podcast being celebrated for its 10-year anniversary, central to the discussion.
• MFM — Concept · Core topic · 3 mentions · first at 18:14
  Abbreviation for My Favorite Murder, frequently used in the podcast.
• Stay Sexy, Don't Get Murdered — Concept · Key argument · 1 mention · first at 26:46
  A catchphrase and the title of their book, central to their brand.
• Golden State Killer — Concept · Referenced expert · 5 mentions · first at 49:26
  A case discussed in the podcast, significant to their content.

Places & events

• Ryman Hall — Place · Setting · 1 mention · first at 1:01
  A venue mentioned in the podcast's history.

Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 Lives where you love me. You. Hello. Hello and welcome. My favorite murder year ten. This is the ten year freaking anniversary. We have done this podcast. We have said these words to you, listener. Yeah, for ten years. That's crazy. For a podcast. Yeah. It's unnatural. It doesn't make sense. It goes against God's will, God's will of podcasting. Yeah. That ‘s Georgia Hardstark. That’s Karen Kilgariff. Did you ever think that this would become what it's become? And. No. It's wild. Yeah. It's, a decade of podcasting.

0:46 Totally. I mean, we just kept saying yes to things, and they kept happening. Yeah. And that and that's like what has brought us here today from my apartment to the pod loft to Carnegie Hall. We've never met Carnegie, no Ryman Hall. Yeah. Sydney. Opera House. That's right. That fancy place in London. Oh, yeah. Very fancy. A very historical. Yeah, yeah, we've done a lot of amazing things we have done by basically chatting about our hobby. Yeah, it's been incredible. It's just I it's silly because I can't even put into words the way my life has changed since we started.

1:31 And ten years. I feel so monumental and so huge and so important. And that's why I can't even begin to, like, fathom that, you know? Yeah. Was it so the actual date was the 13th of January or the six 16th of January 16th? It was a 16th. Yeah. I think it was the 13th. Okay. So the actual date was a 30. Yeah. Do you know my mom died on the ninth? Holy shit. And started podcasting days after your mom died. Days at. Well, with Alzheimer's. It starts a long time before, but I only mention that not to be, you know? No like sure.

2:12 But my sister brought that up this morning because she's like, that's not a coincidence. I'm like, it's not a really, I don't think I mean, to be woowoo just to kick it off from the Woowoo as way, if anyone's watching over me and helping me make my dreams come true, it's my mom. My God, you know, Pat of their giving you the just being bossy and pushing her way to the front and just being like, sorry. I realize other people have been here a while, but we need to get some stuff taken care of because her house is going into foreclosure, right?

2:45 Yeah, yeah, I, I hate it. Yeah. All the things, all the things we've done and wanted to do and then, I mean, yeah, I feel very, very lucky and grateful to Pat. Yeah. To Pat, to Janet, to everybody who got us here. Right. I mean. There's a present for you. For me? Yeah. I have one for you to see. I got you one because I thought you would. Because you always do. I don't look shit. Oh, my God, I didn't have to do it. I wait a second. I got you this beautiful ceramic coffee thing. I mean, it's it's silly. It's not like a special thing.

3:24 It's just, like, funny. And it made me laugh, and I thought I might as well give it to you now. Great. Because I'll forget by your birthday. Okay? So happy. Happy ten year anniversary. Oh my God, that's so silly. Silly? I just pull it right out. Yeah. Hahahahaha. Let's find out about magnet. It's a vintage book that just says magnets. Yes, with two little vintage kids playing with magnets. It's like a science book. Clearly an old library book that they rip that old check it out. Pocket out of. Isn't that incredible?

4:00 A long time ago in ancient Greece. Wait, I'm going to tell you what year it's from. Yes, Georgia. This is the most. Oh, there's all the stickers. This is. This is from Los Angeles, right? City school library. Let me guess what year 66. Ooh 67. It's so close. I can't believe that I got that close. I can use, like, doused yourself and shit like this. We're so fucking champagne. Glass of Diet Coke is going over. Okay? At some point, I'm going to down the whole thing, okay? I'll just make a real a real effort. Thank you so much.

4:39 I know you like, coffee table books. I really do, but I just thought that one was the funniest. I really love it. That's so good. Yeah. Thank you so much. The anniversary. Happy anniversary. Here's the pen you've always wanted. Thank you. And I put this here by Elvis. Absolutely. With the tinfoil hat on. So ten years, a decade anniversary gift is ten is ten or aluminum? Aluminum. Which. What the fuck does that even? I mean, good luck. Couples who have to deal with that. Well, according to brides.com, the decade long anniversary gift is traditionally tin aluminum, which symbolizes the strength and resilience of your marriage.

5:19 Hey, I mean, the proof is in the pudding, right? I mean, right, it's Teflon. That's us. That's right. There's been a lot of and I've said this and people have said it to me too, where it's like. And you've said it to me, you and I are the only ones who know what this has been like. Yeah, in this way, this firsthand way. And it's it's really weird because it is this very singular experience. It's very, very strange. Yeah. Like winning the lottery style experience. But but way better. Yeah. But then there's just this other person in the world that's also like, yep, I was there too.

5:56 So like, I, you know, Vince has been there with us the whole time and he can experience it. He has he can, you know, talk about it. But like it being about you, it's so much pressure. It's there's so much riding on you not being a stupid fucking asshole, you know, like, it's just a lot of pressure. Yeah. And a lot of, like, big experiences and experiences. The only ones who know what that is exactly like. And there's no training for what we have experience because there there might be now. Yeah exactly. I think there is now.

6:32 But when 2016, when we started doing this, there was not anything like this up there, which is fucking cool. I think it's pretty cool. Well, hats off to the last podcast on the left. They were they were the first. They were the original. They weren't. We definitely podcast. We definitely use them as a jumping off point of like what it could be. But I think that idea of like, I think before that podcasts were very niche, very like, you know, depending on what you're into. But like comedy nerds liked comedy podcasts or true crime obsessives were listening to true crime.

7:06 But this idea that, like, it's all going to get elevated, people are going to pay more attention, more people are going to come. And that means you have to be media literate. You have to be aware of what you're saying and, you know, say the facts don't spread misinformation. There's like a real responsibility that just was not there when we started and we weren't aware of. Right. And we kind of I think the fact that we were able to like we adapted. Thank you. Yeah, we did that a lot, adapted on the fly. And I think that's really a big part of this.

7:40 But obviously the biggest part is our listeners and you guys like sticking with us and like going on this crazy. Yes, I'll say it. Journey. It has been a true spiritual journey, and none of it would have happened if you guys weren't listening. So thank you so fucking much. Yeah, that part of it to me has been the most unbelievable, mind blowing, because the amount of people and the love and passion with which they talk to us, I mean, I'm talking about the ones who have talked to us, right? And the ones who have played along with us this whole time.

8:17 Like it's just an incredible gift. Obviously, it's a very special. It feels like a once in a lifetime thing and oh, I want to do it again. No differently. Can we please not could we never again. All right. Should we get into this? Yeah. We still have to do business. Look, we're very responsible podcasters, obviously, so we know there's some reading to be done right now. We've had to become responsible podcasters. They gave us a network. It only took us a decade. That's right. So we've really built it up. You know, there's all kinds of podcasts on our network.

8:53 Yeah. Hey, here's a couple, podcasts that are on exactly right media, for example, bananas, the Weird News podcast. And this week over on bananas Curtains, Scotty review their strangest headlines of 2025 from a radio station that went viral for playing a harmonica on a loop for hours to Bahrain, the dog who won a downhill ski race. It's the kind of unhinged best of that only bananas can deliver. An over on Ghosted by Raz Hernandez, raz is over the moon about the return of Peyton Oswald. They get in to Australia's spookiest haunted doll Baba Vanga 2026 prophecy about extraterrestrial contact and patents.

9:33 Favorite conspiracy theories? Very fun, very tin hat. Yeah. Then, on brief recess, Michael and Melissa are discussing the Ice raids in Minneapolis. Then they pivot and they talk to you. Are Hamasaki from RuPaul's Drag Race? This show has everything, truly. And then on Trust Me, Lola and Megan are joined by journalist and filmmaker David Farrier. He talks about his reporting on Arise Church, the largest megachurch in New Zealand, and their disturbing pattern of exploitation. David Farrier made that documentary tickled.

10:05 Did you ever see that? God, he is. He's amazing. Yeah. And when he came to record with trust me, he was waiting outside while I went out to get in my car. And I was like to see if it's here. And I was trying to figure out how to say something to him, or I was like, hi, I'm Karen and whatever. And I was like, kind of like trying to figure it out. And then the producer of the show just stepped outside and was like, oh, David, right in here. And then he just went inside. I never said anything. It was your company. You being like, hi, welcome to my office. Hi.

10:34 Do you need to get in? I have a passcode. Like, I really could have balled out. And instead, I just stood there kind of trying to figure something out. Good classic move. Okay, now, due to popular demand, we were just on tour. Very fun, very exciting. We had amazing tour merch that everyone loved and everyone talked about. And so because the people have spoken, we want to give them what they want. Our 2025 tour merch is now available in the exactly right store. It's your chance to grab posters, totes, and apparel from our live shows.

11:08 I have something, I have a poster, I have a tote. This is this artwork for like the posters and the like. The tour official merch is by Daphna Sylvain and she did such an incredible job. There was a different there was a different logo for every city, and it would all have something to do with, like the city's flower or the state flower, the animal that like went along with it. And there are all these like beautiful, deep meanings behind them. Yes. It was so thoughtful. It was amazing. And then this was just the overall tour.

11:39 So we got the cool Panthers. Just if you just wanted the general tour, but then like George's poster there, that's the Denver specific poster. So all of these items are available. So go to exactly right store A.com to see everything that's available. Guys it's our anniversary. We got to sell. We always got to sell. That's who we are. Gotta keep the lights on in this office of ours. Yeah. God, it, So we have this idea. Yeah. Of a good way to celebrate our 10th anniversary would be kind of to review, to ask the listeners, what, in your opinion, were the top ten moments of of the last ten? Yes.

12:19 So we can't remember most of them. Yeah. And we thought, well, who could read this to us? We can just read it to each other. That would be weird. That's narcissistic. So basically we have a special guest here who is also the number ten on the list, none other than Stephen Ray Morris. That's right. And he is here with us today to celebrate our 10th anniversary. Oh my God, he's from my two oh this year. It's so nice. It's so good to see you. Oh my gosh. The last time I saw you was like a whirlwind at like one in the morning.

12:56 And you still had to, like, say hi to so many people at our LA. Yeah, that's right. It's the applause that Stephen got at our L.A. Show was so beautiful. And so, like, watching you receive that, we're just kind of like. Holy shit. It was so sweet. No, it was really fun. There's there's some really fun shows. And again, it was one of those things where was like, there's like, whole camera people moving around, but, like, I don't know, it just felt like we were back in the apartment. Did you get a lot of fans coming up?

13:24 It was, yeah, I like I got mobbed a little bit, but it was I was like, I think they did this on purpose. So now they love you. Oh, they're so happy to see you. And they always I mean, I think every mini soad every email you get shout it out. I mean like you are a part of the show forever. But yeah, I still left like my signature at the bottom, you know, just like writing into the email. Stephen will be out. Yes. Yeah. If you guys don't know, Stephen made his debut as our engineer on episode 23, and he was our editor, our fax checker, and my cats. Yes.

13:59 Oh my gosh. And all things to all people. You did it all for us, Stephen. Yeah, you really did. I mean, it's just so surreal. It's just what you guys have done here is amazing. Like, I'm just. Again, I was like, peeking right every corner. Like, I have to see everything. Oh, yeah. We have it all. I know now there's not somebody, like, playing Call of Duty downstairs from plays like, you know. Oh yeah. We used to get a little bleed through Call of Duty sometimes fireworks, helicopters, literal fires. Yeah. I mean, yeah, the ghost train.

14:30 Ghost train. Oh, yeah. That's right. And when the lost days. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we saw coyote, like, walking back to your car. When? In time. It's like full nature, like surreal. Like we're in a movie right now. Oh, yeah. It is it. We have. Well, if there's anyone in the world that understands what we have been through, besides you and I, it is Stephen Ray Morris. Very true. Yeah. So nice to be here. So thank you. Are you ready to walk us through? Yes. My top nine now. Not top nine. Yeah. You're number ten. Yeah. We narrowed it down to nine.

15:00 And then. Yeah, I feel like the first one, number nine is like, just talking about, like, combining true crime and comedy. I mean, obviously getting your perspective on this, but anyone I've talked to, it's like getting to hear your friends tell your story, your cool aunts like that kind of thing at a party, which is kind of I mean, that was how the show started, basically. Yeah. So surreal. Yeah. It was never like a let's report on it. It was almost like a let's just, let's gossip, not gossip, because that's obviously it was like a darker than that thing or was like, let's, let's get this out of our brains where it's not doing any good to anyone.

15:32 Well also I think we had talked about for years ingesting that same kind of media. And then it's like, but no one ever talked about ingesting it. And receiving it. It was always like you were supposed to act like a reporter if you were going to talk about this. And we were basically like, we're not going to do that. We're almost going to do the opposite and see what happens, because it's the conversation around what we have. You know, that's yeah, you know, the conversation around the staircase. And do you know how in the world could you believe in the owl theory?

16:03 Right. And then almost like the Halloween conversation when we first met, we just took that on to what are these called, microphones? Yes. For what's it called a decade? Yeah. Yeah. It was like, was this on mic or not? You know, like I felt like that. Like what was your favorite forensics. You like, what was your favorite forensic file episode? You know, what was your favorite unsolved mystery like? Totally. That kind of thing. It actually just reminded me of you saying it, being on mic, that I think one of the biggest reasons that we got Stephen and needed Stephen was because I used to do a weird thing with the microphones we were using to remember that, where I was creating this insane sound problem, because I would shake the mic sometimes when I was talking and you'd be like it.

16:45 And I think there were your mics like, yeah, and they look like this. The mic you use at a school. Talent. Yeah. So it was just like, I would be like making, you know, a point or something. And I go like that. And then it would shake the bottom, and the bottom was loose and it was all. And it was like, finally I was like, we need an engineer. We need someone else besides us to help us do this. I mean, yeah, just like if people knew how cheap this first, like, oh, yeah, it's like one step above karaoke. Yeah. But I mean, you know, again, it was one of those things like every, you know, Wednesday or Tuesday night or whatever, just getting together to I felt like to unwind from, yeah, our day jobs at the time I don't know.

17:23 Yeah. Yeah. For real. Definitely. Yeah. And I remember once there was something that was going at some drama, some big thing that you had to help us with. And I remember just being like, thank you so much, Steven ego. Hell yeah, I'm right or die. And then I was like, oh my God, that's the best. Yeah, I don't, I really were yeah. I mean it was my favorite thing to do every week. We actually got to like just talk. You guys like talk to the microphones about this thing. That was fascinating. And the fact that like, again, even by the time I was helping you out, like, the show was like getting to number one on the podcast charts.

17:56 So like it was 20 is episode 23. So I think we had just shitty equipment because we never expected it to go beyond like five episodes and like for anyone to listen to it. Yeah. So then it was like, oh no, we have to actually like processing you know, we have to do this better. Yeah yeah. Oh yeah. Gosh, obviously that takes us like step number eight MFM in pop culture. I think the speed that the Entertainment Weekly that to me was like but I mean for you for both of you like when did you feel like you're like, oh, this is like the biggest thing or like people, you know, talking about it like, you see in Yellowjackets, I feel like was another insane.

18:33 Oh yeah. Oh my God, I forgot about that one. Yeah. That's right. We would get these emails that were like, can we have permission to use your logo? And we're like the logo Georgia made, right? It's just like, sure. Yeah, yeah. Permission those Christina Ricci, she had like a mug, right? Yeah. I guess that's what. Oh there's that. There it is. That is the. Oh, geez. Wow. That is my mockup of what it could look at before we even started recording. Yeah, I don't remember making that in, like, a cafe because I didn't have Wi-Fi at home.

19:01 It was like that time of my life. I couldn't afford to, like, pay Wi-Fi. So I was in a cafe and I was supposed to be writing like, a, submission for, like, a writing job, like, you know, like a food magazine that was like, oh, I really fucking need this job. Like, what am I going to do? And, like, I don't want to do that right now. I want to make this instead. Like, the thing that's not making me any money. I think this is your passion. Yes. And like, it turned out that that was the thing that I should have been working on.

19:30 I mean, that's the theme song is take two, I believe. Like, it's just like my favorite theme song, take to m4a, like, you know, like, write off your phone like, holy shit and change. I always thought, oh, well, I remembered it this way, but that makes more sense because I probably screwed it up the first time, but I always remember it being just me sitting down being like, here's an example of what it would sound like, and then just sending it to Georgia and then it being like, yeah, and then that's what it is, and that's what it remains.

20:00 I think there's some things like that where it's like, that's a good piece of advice for people. It's just like, don't mess with things too much. Yeah, it doesn't need to be perfect. Just like put it out there. Yeah. See what felt like. Yeah. We the things that you were ingesting the stories at the time, it was just like, all right, we get to talk about it. And then it's like fresh on Thursdays. Yes. And I feel like that was something that if you like, not everyone was doing, you know, it was like that because, you know, it's like if you make a movie or a TV show or something, it takes like months or years or, you know, again, working on shows, you're like in a writer's room for six months and then they start coming out.

20:33 But it was like, oh, no, we're responding to, like, things in real time. We don't have time to, like, make it precious and make it perfect. You just go even think about, should we be saying this at all? And also, you know, again, thanks to Stephen, because it got to be timely like that, because you would leave those records and then stay up all night editing those shows. It's hilarious. I mean, there were dedication. We were supposed to be recording on like Tuesdays, and I think at least half the time we were like, shit, we can't record until Wednesday night, not knowing how long it took to edit.

21:05 No, nothing. No. When we were neighbors. So I could just walk over. Yeah, exactly. Thank God. So crazy. I also really loved when you guys are on the Simpsons. To me, that's also like another, you know, like thing that your you enjoy as a fan and then you get to like see it. Yeah, I think that was a maybe like teary eyed moment for me when we were. Yeah, it was like a podcasting episode or a true crime podcasting episode. And they had drawn our caricatures as like podcast, true crime, podcasting, you know, names and our names and face like Simpsons faces were on there.

21:43 And Simpsons, to me when growing up, was one of the most important things in my entire life. I yeah, one of the reasons I think I'm slightly funny is because watching The Simpsons for as long as I did. Yeah. And that. So that just felt like that was something I could send to my brother and he would get it, you know? I mean, I saw that picture. I just couldn't. To see yourself Simpson ified is wild to know. It's actually in an episode. Yeah. That was really. It was, a humbling experience. It was really the craziest honor.

22:12 And then full circle of, like, somebody on our Facebook page in the, you know, in the comments made up the name murder, you know, stolen from The Simpsons. Yeah. So like perfect. Yes. Like the instead of suing us, they put us on the show. It's so nice of them. That was one of those that moment and jeopardy our two moments that it felt like, okay, whatever fucking happens in life historically, you can't take that away for ever, you know what I mean? Like, it will always have been on jeopardy! And and on Simpsons like, so if you want to see any of these things we're talking about, go to our social media.

22:49 You can see all those pictures if you haven't already. Right? We're posting a lot of cute stuff for, the ten year anniversary this week. So check it out. You know, even just being in here, like, seeing all this stuff is like, you know, so surreal. This collection has that, like, appreciation of those things. Is that. Do you think you appreciate it more now? Because I feel like at the time, just even remembering like the scramble for the three of us, like going through Twitter, going through Facebook, like trying to just source any of this stuff because it was just, yeah, like every week we were just like, okay, let's just we need to just focus on the episode now and then.

23:21 Yeah, I don't know. Well, it's like a living scrapbook kind of where you don't. And that's the thing is, like, I feel like scrapbook people are such future geniuses. Like when you were talking about doing stuff for Future Georgia, it finally makes sense to me because it's like, now, you know, you look at, you look around and you see this stuff and you're like, I remember when that person handed that to me at a live show, or when they sent it in and we're like, this is what I do for a living. But I also want to do it for you.

23:47 Like, it's such a beautiful kind of, way to keep time and like to keep ten years. It's like we have a lot of this stuff with people that wanted to play along with us. Yeah, well, and I feel like the feeling. I don't know how you felt when they're created. The pod loft in that New York. You know, it. It is like. Speaking of scrapbooking. Yeah. You're in New York. Yeah, yeah, the on air festival. And then also at the, at the Microsoft Theater. Oh, yeah, they recreated the fucking pod lofts. Like, that's I think there's so many moments from this podcast and from ten years that I keep saying to myself that are so incredible and overwhelming, and if I stopped and thought about them, I think I like Short Circuit. So they've been like, I'm going to emotionally deal with this later when I'm 67.

24:35 And yeah, I can't do it right now because I, you know, like if you think about how many people are listening to your voice right now, yeah, you can't fucking speak. So it's just like, I'm not going to worry about it right now. In the future. As an old lady, I'm going to be like, that was pretty fucking cool. Yeah, but, I'm doing that a bit, or that's what I'm doing to you right now. But I can't do it. Not speaking bit unless you're not speaking. Yeah, unless you're watching. Right? I mean, it is that kind of thing.

25:00 I think we were very good about keeping it. It's like, yeah, you can't think about those numbers and you can't think about the, you know, it's that idea. I think at some point, one of the many problems that we had to all solve together and it was like, look, we're not looking for a consensus here. This isn't we're not trying to it's we didn't do something to be super popular for millions of people. We did something for each other and for ourselves. Yeah. And then it's like. And then it went somewhere. Yeah. Which I think is the advice if people are looking for it where it's like, please yourself and make yourself laugh or interest yourself because you can't think of it that way or you will totally meltdown.

25:43 No, I always feel like it's like telling people it's like, can you have a fun conversation with somebody where, I mean, again, back in the early days, it was like seeing you to make each other laugh or discovering something new was always like, so, you know, it's like, that's when I was like with my in my notebook, like writing the things that you guys said, you know, like, that's the stuff. It's like, if you can do that, like, I feel like you can do anything. Thank God we took those and made them into the show titles.

26:06 Instead of using this number. But I mean, number 79 is pretty good. Yeah. We had a couple good ones, but also that just makes me think of, Georgia would always have either a pot of coffee or her old coffee from the morning, and Stephen and I would have a big old cup of, like, 730 coffee. Yeah. And just be like, yeah, let's do this thing. Supercharged plus Diet Coke. Yes. Whiskey for me. Yes. Yeah. We're going all in different directions. I think that's what made it. We all need our own special form of just lighting off.

26:40 Yeah, like the fireworks that went off one time in the middle of recording and all the cats, like, scattered. Yeah. When. So then when, like, I mean, number seven, writing the book. Stay sexy, don't get murdered. That was one of the hardest. I don't think we expected. Oh, hey, look. Oh, look. Oh, there it is. It's a very bitter look on my face right there. Very angry. I'm stoked because that was the one of the hardest things I've ever had to do in my entire fucking life. We didn't really know what it was going to be.

27:09 It turned it turned out to be like a memoir in a lot of ways, of the stupid, painful things we've done and gone through that make it so that we're the people who you can trust to deliver these pieces of advice to, which means you had to, like, dig deep. Every note I would get from Ali, our incredible editor, was like, what did it feel like? Tell me more about how hard that moment was or what how awful it was. It was just like, yeah, I was just there's a lot of therapy. Yeah, I'm. Yeah, it was incredible. Well, and also just the opportunity, it's like everybody knows, like if you get a popular thing, if you get over a certain number of people that will pay attention to it, you'll get a book deal, or you'll get a blank or you'll get a blank.

27:53 And when that came through, it was like, well, this could just be another perfunctory thing that gets done because that's what gets done. But then it's like, but we could really do something with this. Like and and also we are not true crime journalists. Again and again we say, so it's like we don't have to worry about that. Like we can just talk about the one thing we know. Like I felt I felt so much comfort in that because it's just like we don't have to pretend like suddenly in the middle of all this, we don't have to pretend to be something.

28:25 It's like, we'll just keep on doing what we've been doing and hopefully it'll work. I think that was probably the writing a book is something I'd always wanted to do in my life. Like that was a life goal. I didn't know how the fuck it was going to happen because I didn't go to college. Yeah, I'm, you know, same. And so getting that opportunity was like, this is a once in a lifetime thing that you've always wanted. Don't fuck it up. Like make yourself proud of it. And there are times like these days, I mean, like, even now, years later, sometimes I'm like, think I feel lazy or I haven't done anything.

28:55 And then I'm like, you wrote a book, you wrote a book, but that can not be taken away. There's a fucking number one bestseller on fucking New York Times. Yeah. Can't be taken away. And I'll never forget. People will tell you they like it, but whatever. So now you've achieved this dream, but maybe it's actually not good or blah blah blah. But the reviews were good. Yeah. So I just kept looking for like, okay, well, where's the bad thing? So that, you know, I can take this all apart in my negative way. And it was just like, couldn't do it, couldn't do it.

29:22 And then people to this day like, yeah, bring it to us to sign or tell us how much it meant to us. Like, yeah, it's incredible. It's crazy. I'm so I'm really I do still think it's great. I'm like really proud of us, I really am. I'm just there's nothing about it that I would change. Plus the apology of my team, Paul Giamatti in the audiobook. What more do you want? I forgot, how did that even happen? Because I did the running joke of, like, people would ask us if we were going to do, like, a Q&A episode. People. And yes, guess who would play you in the movie?

29:58 And you said the people that you've people have told you you look like. And then, of course, I said, Paul Giamatti. And then I guess someone told Paul Giamatti that. And so then he was trying to get Ahold of us to be like, I listen to your podcast, and I liked it or something. And one day I woke up and there was an email from a random email where it's like, the fact that I didn't delete it is a miracle, because it'd be like, I don't know who this is from, but I read it anyway. And it was like, you people are harder to get Ahold of than.

30:26 And it was written in this perfect Paul Giamatti voice. And then it was like, thank you for saying nice things about me. You know, your delight. He basically heard we were talking about him, so went and listen to the podcast and was like, I like your podcast. And I was like, well, then I'm going to do the gross Hollywood thing and say, would you like to read a chapter? And he was like, sure. And then I was totally sure he was going to just flake later on, just like, tell me. Yes. And he did it. He did it. What it meant.

30:56 So surreal. And then, I mean, like, I feel like that whole again, just expanding outward because we were talking a little before, but just the, you know, the number six is touring where you when did you decide that you were like, we have to do this. And then how did you I mean, again, like I think in 2019 you guys toured from January to May. Yeah. Don't talk about it. Yeah. We were we just wanted to do a live show, a couple, there were some podcast festivals, and they were fun and made sense to what we were doing.

31:29 So we were like, well, let's do our own live show. Like outside of a podcasting event. Yeah, it seemed like that's what a lot of comedy podcasters did, where it's like, if people go and they put up one of those folding tables and then, you know, you line up some mics and you sit there and you do your podcast, people can see you in real life. Yeah. So I was like, well, let's I'll call the Bell House. That's where a lot of comics that I know in New York, like do stuff like that. And we'll just, you know, see what happens.

31:58 And, we so many people tried to buy tickets that the guy called me like, what the fuck is going on? Because we fucked up their whole day and probably their week with the like. It's sold out immediately, the whole thing. And that was when we started to get the sense of like, oh, this isn't we don't understand how big this is, and we don't understand that. It's like, yeah, we sold out the Bell House. That's a big deal. That's a big deal. It was a huge deal to me. I think this last tour that we were on to was really cool because.

32:30 So for our LA shows, I have since talked to a lot of people who I I'm really close. We hadn't toured in six years, so there's actually people that I'm very close with that I didn't know then. Oh, and so hadn't seen the live shows or hadn't been to a live show. And then they oh, look here, love that one. That's the beacon. Yeah yeah. So they came and they're like, oh, I didn't understand. You're always stressed. I didn't totally understand it until I went to a live show and heard and saw everyone. Like when you walked out, I didn't realize what a big fucking deal yeah was.

33:03 That same thing happened, my friend lark, who now does my hair. Yeah, I invited him to come, and he just told me when he was doing my roots the other day, he was like that. He goes, you didn't tell me anything about what that was going to be like. I thought I was going to go support you. Like I was going to be nice and be in the audience for you. He goes, I was so embarrassed when I got to the Pasadena Civic Auditorium or whatever. Was that like, I had no idea. And you didn't tell me. And I was like, I, I'm like, not a detail person.

33:33 Yeah. What do you say? Like, here's how many listeners we have. Here's our numbers. Please come to this show. Yes. You can't you don't do that. Yeah. So yeah, there was definitely a lot of like, oh, okay, this is bigger than what I thought. Yeah. Which is kind of rad. I mean, when we did Anaheim, I got to stand on stage where I saw Michelle Branch in high school. That was just like, oh my God, everyone, this. You have no idea. So it's so incredible. That was such a good show. When Georgia did the Disneyland, the deaths, the Disneyland.

34:01 Oh my goodness that for so long is there, is there a live show memories that stick out to you? I think of like the person crawling the audience like the fun part about especially that first year of touring was we were out with a bunch of people who were like, they were friends with us. And so it really was like, you, you just went and did a live show with all your friends in the audience. Yeah, where we were, they were heckling us and they wanted to be a part of it and all of it. But but at the same time, that dynamic that none of us had gotten before, which is this is what happens when we do this part.

34:37 This is what they're doing while we do this part. Like pockets, having a dress with pockets gets a huge run off. Yeah, it was okay. That's our thing. Yeah. No one would understand. But it's like but everyone understands because we're all kind of the same in that way. Yeah. It was I mean those early days. Yeah. The Portland shows were always amazing. I think my family seeing coming to the Oakland shows and seeing me and having that same experience of we didn't understand what this was. And then of course, never forget the Arizona show.

35:09 I think it was Tempe or in the round Phoenix. Oh yeah. We did a show in the round, the show where the stage was spinning in a circle. Holy spirit House I because I am trying to remember, but I feel like the way you described it was just like it was almost unnoticeable, until suddenly you looked up and the person you had been looking at, what was, what was not there. And and for that, I would say it was too fast because it was like it was almost like for people in a musical. It was perfect. Yeah. But for podcasting, it was insane.

35:41 It was like we could only focus on each other. Just first it was it was so crazy and so funny. And no one told us that it was, oh, really round or on a moving stage. So walking out onto stage, we were discovering all of it at the same time. It was hilarious. Did you do a full rotation? I never asked, did you do like oh oh went around multiple times. I think it went around 20 or 30 times during the length of an hour. Oh yeah, it was pretty good. It was good fodder. It was like, I mean, it was insanity. And then that show had the best hometown, I think, right of all time.

36:15 She did an amazing job. Yeah. Go listen to it. Yeah. I mean, some of those hometowns were so people were like, even just the most recent that like shows everyone is just like, yeah, so excited. I forget, like, do you have like a favorite hometown person or just they I mean, there was marriage proposals, like there's like all kinds of stuff people came on stage. Guest I mean, if it's favorite person. Yeah. Then I would pick our drunk friend from Washington, D.C., who could only say Lorena Bobbitt 15 times. And she tried and she was there, and she was loving life.

36:49 And, you know, it was just Georgia had to pick from 50ft away, and this woman was waving her hand like we told her the rules. Yeah, you can't be too drunk. Maybe we made up the rule. You can't be too drunk. You did her. Yeah. No, you always framed it. You're like there was a whole thing that people had to pay attention. We were like, everyone settle down for a moment. Yes please. These are the qualifications. Now go. Yeah. Be a good storyteller. Know what you're doing? Yeah. All those things with this girl. Yeah. And I do love that.

37:19 Like the kind of just unexpectedness of it all where it's just. You're fucking hoping this person delivers. And when they deliver, it's so it's powerful, but it's even more so because you just it's not planned, right? Yeah. It's just so, so incredible. And sometimes it's like a person that's like, I am the the city's district attorney, where you're like, you're listening to this. He gets like, oh my god. Yeah. Did the touring this time feel different? I mean, I just felt it just felt like a gift. Yeah. You know what I mean?

37:51 After like, you know, not doing it for so long, having a kind of be like, we don't have to do it. It's not like, required. And then. Yeah, and then being able to like, film it, there was just a lot to it that was like, it felt very like being this here and that being there now, right now and really love it. You know, because it was those first, I mean, the back to back years were hard and it was the hardest version of touring. Yeah yeah. Multiple cities and a weekend. Yeah. Thank God for some. Like I know there's certainly.

38:27 Yeah. Yeah. He he tours managed the hell out of that thing when he he got in there and saved it for sure. It was nuts. But there was that now I can't remember if it was Vancouver or Toronto. You may you may have been there. There was that one show. It was just the best audience. Like the response and the stories. And I think it was Vancouver. It was the they bubble up. But yeah, like if I sat here long enough, yeah, I would name every single one. Well, and also I feel like over the years of just like wanting to pick the stories, I mean, I was embarrassed to when we were doing Kansas City and then it was like looking at Kansas City, Kansas burgers.

39:08 I was like, oh, Karen, I'm so sorry. This is Kansas City, Kansas, not Kansas City, Missouri. That's on them, though. Yeah, like, come on, what are you doing? Stuff you cannot name close to two cities the same. Yeah, yeah. And one that doesn't even belong to the same. No. Irresponsible was not our fault. Not your fault at all. Thank you. I needed that closure. Yes. No. We're fine. Is there, like, a story that you were glad that you did live versus doing at home? Oh, so hard? Did you get good? Like the live story? Choosing part is so hard because it has to be so many things that it can't be, you know, or it can't be so many things that it can be when it's just the two of us.

39:49 Yeah. Because you don't want to bum out a whole fucking audience. There's just a different expectation. And we had to learn it. Yeah. By doing it. Yeah. Which is a tough way to to learn on stage, live show. I mean that actually is the definition of stand up comedy. It's a kind of an awful experience. But then you like the improvement and the kind of you make these little changes and you're like, okay, here's the parameter, here's what we will talk about here. And also just if we have a roomful of, you know, if we're lucky, 2000 people, how are we going to maximize this experience so that we're all this is like kind of best case scenario for this city, this audience, what do they want.

40:30 And then yeah, I also like also to remember that when they're booing they're usually not booing. Yeah yeah they're booing the story. Yeah. Well point where you like okay. This is they're not booing forever. I'm still like what are you mad. What did I say. What did we do. That's why I used to get so angry at, when they would heckle because it was like old. The old me of, like, if you're saying anything, that means you're against me. Yeah. Where it's like, these are people that just want to talk. Also, they finally get to talk back to you and they really want to do it.

40:58 And they had drinks before and a meet up. And so yeah, yeah, there's all kinds of reasons. I mean, I also love seeing both of you meeting everybody afterwards. Yeah. The meeting. Yeah. Fucking smashing. So fun at people. It just was like like this. Like just like ready. Because they just had the thing, like in New Zealand, somebody had ice cream with them, the whole show, like that kind of stuff. Like do you remember any like specific. So they're like things like that. The Australian news, the there was amazing experiences.

41:29 That's I got proposed to ever that I got proposed to a woman brought her rugby player husband. She's like, Karen, I want you to see what a real one looks like in real life. Like it was that we did. We had some great one. It's so funny because after the show, you're, like, just completely emotionally drained. It's just takes a lot out of you. And then you have to do this like hundred person meet and greet. But then you're also like, they're bringing me the coolest fucking GIFs. And like every, you know, every other person has some like either ceramic beautiful thing that they made for you or a fucking bag full of candy.

42:02 Yeah, or like a Siamese cat stuffed animal. Like it's just. Yeah. It's like then you can't sleep on it because you have so much, like, endorphins running through because it's just such a cool experience. And then it's people getting to tell you, like, how long they listen. Then, like what you were there with them for. Yeah. And that's just like, you don't get that when it's just sitting in a, you know, studio recording and you have you had it for so long and yeah, like we'll run into people on the street who will like, say hi and introduce themselves.

42:30 But just that onslaught that you get when you're touring is it's like it's life giving. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Did the like when the people tell you they go back to school for that. Yeah. So many like I became a this and I went back to school for that. Or I left this relationship because I love this. Right. There's so many I went to therapy because you guys talked about it. And that to me is like the fucking point of it all. Yeah. That's so cool. Yeah. No, I had a friend who was telling me, like, I growing up, like, I didn't think mental health was like a thing until they listened to the show.

43:02 That was very touching, like. And also, I love the fact that that was just the coincidence of both you and I. Yeah. Not giving a shit. Like, not, I was raised by a mother who's a psychiatric nurse. Yeah, a you you were raised where therapy was very much, like, fine and good and a part of your life. And so it was just this weird. We didn't know better. And then we were like, everybody else is interpreting it as like, you allowed other people where we're like, no, we just love talking, you know? Like, what'd you do today? I went to therapy.

43:32 Yeah, just talking about my day. Yeah, yeah. Like something cool. My therapist said, I'm not like, I didn't like the medication change. I'm going through right now. It's like, just part of my life. But that the fact that, like, we made it not a big deal to talk about. And so it's not a big deal. And we get credit for as if we planned it. Yeah. You didn't. Number five on this list is creating the podcast network. Exactly right. Like, again, this is so the space is bigger than I think the original. Yeah. Network. Studio basically.

44:02 You mean the original studio where you couldn't, flush the bathroom toilet while people were recording? Yes. As they heard five feet away from each other. Yeah. It's not less. Yeah. We always say like, you know, they they gave us a network and it really did start with like a deal that was being struck. And part of the, you know, part of the deal was they want you to have your own network. So that is how it started. And we said awesome, let's do it. But I don't think they expected us to like to do it ourselves the way we of course would never let anyone else fucking do it.

44:34 Yeah. So I mean, yeah, I think it was that idea probably at the time they're like, well, if this, true crime podcast is popular, then that'll be a network with a bunch of other true crime podcasts. Yeah. And then of course, very quickly we found that it's like but the in sales, it doesn't work that way because we will eat up all of the advertising. There was all the kind of business behind the logic of it. And so then we were like, well, we have plenty of hilarious friends who are not interested in true crime at all.

45:06 And they wanted their podcasters. And we got to the way I used to say, it's very hacky, but it's like we got to build our own Marvel Universe of all the people around us, where it's like, everybody can't be Superman, you know what I mean? Everyone. If everybody's flying around with their laser vision, it's a little boring. We need everybody that's like, we need an Aquaman and we need a storm. There's no way these people are all in the Marvel Universe. And I know there are people that are furious right now. Furious that I would be cross promoting these characters.

45:37 Well. So yeah, I think that what happened was they thought that that we were just going to churn out a bunch of my favorite murders to make them a shit ton of money, and I think we pissed off a lot of fucking people because we were like, that's that's not what we want to do. That doesn't really happen that way. And like, we want to do it our way. So I think, yeah, you're picking things that resonate with you and you're like, I want to listen to that. Exactly. Like this podcast will kill you, right? Yes. Right. You know, just any of the kind of shows like Bridger just getting to open presents and be mad about it, like super pissed all the time.

46:09 Yeah. This podcast Will Kill You is George's favorite podcast. And then I remember her. She was just like, I think this would work because it's thematically similar, but it's not on point where it's just like, yes, like those kinds of, you know, that's how you pick. Trust me, that same thing where it's like we we do podcasting because we like podcasts and we listen to podcasts. So it all it all did make sense. But yeah, the the build of it, it was just like, how are we going to do this and how are we going to keep on doing this?

46:41 And it really did become its own separate job. It's yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. What is it like now? I feel like, well, now we have like 40 employees. I mean, it's just I got lost on the way here. Yeah I don't yeah. It was definitely way, way more work than we thought it would be. I often wonder, like if we hadn't started the network, what our lives would be like right now. It definitely, Yeah. I mean, it turned it into a business rather than, like a hobby. Yeah. And yeah, I had to step away from the CEO angle of it or running the business at all, because I just don't know how.

47:22 And I don't want to pretend like I do. I got really just overwhelmed by it all. But. But I love the network. I love the podcast we get to put on it, and I think it's a special place. I think like those podcasts that come to us, I'm always like, that's awesome. They're like, they're going to be happy and we want to make sure they're happy. Yeah, you know, make it a place where everyone gets to be themselves and creative and not being like, told what to do because I don't think like nowadays, my favorite murder would be picked up on a big network.

47:49 Like they make us change everything about it, you know? Or like I wouldn't be famous enough to like, host a podcast. So we don't want we didn't want to do stuff like that to other pressure. Yeah yeah yeah. Well and for years knowing creative people, working with creative people and being around creative people, it's like, yeah, you learn, you know what you like and you know that your taste is good and you watch, you know, you know why something seems to be better than something else. And it is not just it's not just chance.

48:17 It's not, you know what I mean? And it's not just surface. It's like, especially in podcasting, you have to be better, I think, and more entertaining and more compelling than the average person on TV, because there's no distraction. It's hyper hyperfocus. Literally. Yeah, this back and forth. So there is a little bit of the, the magical combination that George and I knew simply by going, okay, we've done this. We see what what's hit, we think we know why. And then, of course, I had a background in television where just like this used to be my job all the time, where you're trying to put ideas together and make that magical combination hit.

48:57 And whether you do or not, it's a completely obviously different business and it's also a different science. So it's just like, okay, I had a little bit of that knowledge, but also all of it was a startup. And I mean, and that was kind of the spirit of it, which is just like, well, let's just see what's going to happen. Yeah. And then giving I mean Paul holes. Yeah. A platform every week to be his magical self. Like our pleasure I mean thank you sir. What was that like approaching him. Because I feel like I mean again, the Golden State killer getting caught was so such a part of the.

49:31 I was, unfortunately, at Margaritaville when both of you found out. That's right. But, like, even just approaching him to start something and like. Yeah, I feel like I mean, he was probably used to that whole, like, TV world where it was very restrictive and you were like, here, here's an opportunity. You get to talk about the things that you want to talk about. Yeah, thank God. He was a very experienced talking head before we ever talked about him. But that you're right, that kind of order of how it went. Whereas like George and I, the Golden State killer focus.

50:02 You know, if he hadn't been renamed, Michelle McNamara came in her work, her book. I'll Be Gone in the dark. Yeah. Her documentary, like, all these things kind of happening together, her very sudden, very shocking death. And within a year of that or so. Yeah, that case gets solved. And it's like a case that had been so old. And nobody, I think nobody ever thought it was going to. And then suddenly it was like these changes and it was very parallel to our experience where it was like those kinds of watching that happening.

50:38 Change so quickly was like, I never imagined this. Now we're dealing with it, now we're in it. Yeah. And yeah, him. Then we got the craziest thing of all, which is the surprise of Paul Holes on the podcast. So yeah that went great. And then it was like the second he we all left that office, I was sending him an email that was like what you want to do. Yeah absolutely. You are not allowed to do a podcast anywhere else. Yeah. It has to be with us. And yeah, was like, I agree. Yeah. That was very cool. Yeah. And I feel like maybe there's another surprise we want to do with, Paul holes.

51:14 What do you want Paul to pray. Oh my gosh Hernan George, sounds like you two have gotten yourselves into a bit of a pickle. Sounds like we need to have a conversation. It's going to be fun to see who flips on who. Ten years. Are you kidding me? I remember the first time I heard about you guys, and I had filmed a Investigacion discovery documentary on this unsolved Golden State killer case. It's the one where they have me running in a creek like Forrest Gump. After it was released, the producer called me up and she said, Paul, you're not going to believe this.

51:56 Karen. George, are you talking about you? Well yeah. On the podcast My Favorite Murder. I know we should talk about. As you know, I don't listen to podcasts, especially when I was still active, but obviously fate ended up intervening, if you will. And, And I blame YouTube, for what has happened. You know, very special memory is when I flew down to LA to be a surprise guest on on your show, and I was hidden in essence, in a closet that the studio where you were recording at the time, you know, then ultimately was shoved into the room in front of a microphone.

52:50 And, you know, I never had any experience talking into a microphone before, know, especially for something called podcast. And, you know, at the time, Karen, you and I sort of had a little bit of an online relationship going on. I kind of misused days, but. Anyways, that was an amazing experience. And by the way, Karen George, who was in one of the and I don't know, she's ever divulged that to the oh my God, she knew you knew it was coming. I knew it. Thank you so much for all the support you've given me. Thank you for supporting Barry Bonds.

53:37 I think it's been way too long since we have sat down together, had a drink and just, you know, caught up. And you probably need to include Kate, because if we don't, she's going to kick my ass. She doesn't. Our producer, Alexis Duff, you had ten years. It's been an amazing ten years. I'm looking forward to the next ten years. Please. No, thank you again. And, yeah, this is KGF. Oh, you guys take care. Oh my. Oh my gosh. So sweet. Paul's here. That was really lovely. Do you know after we recorded that surprise, appearance by him, we were all going to the tamo shanter and after to have lunch and somehow he got put in the car with me, even though I was like, I can't drive anywhere with a cop.

54:38 And so he was like, trying to chit chat with me. The whole way. But I was like so focused on not like breaking the law and then also not. And I just kept going through my head of like, all the things I've done that are illegal. And I was just sitting next to it and he's like such like stoic dude, you know? And I was just like, be cool, be fucking. Yeah. And then we got some time. I was like, whiskey, please. Just like I can't. So alone in a car with Paul, like, at all. Oh, like he's gorgeous. Dude, I did not. Hell, he's a lovely man.

55:07 This is the kind of lesson, as you well know, that we learned on the podcast all the time, which is, you say one offhand thing, right? Because it feels like you're in a private conversation with your friend that of course, a bunch of people are actually listening to. So and that happened with a bunch of stuff, but with the Paul horse thing, I was just like this. Hawkeye's talking about, you know, whatever, very whatever. And then I said he looked like a the guy from Hunter. And then all of a sudden my whole Twitter feed is like every everybody is adding me and talking about it and talking about it.

55:40 And then he came in. Then he was too. And then people went crazy and it was like the hot for holes movement starts. It was. And I'm just like sitting there looking at it like, again, we did not plan for this. We didn't do it on purpose. Yeah. And then there was like, the people were coming and going, he's married. Like, how dare you? Where I'm like, he's doing it to me. We're like, it was just a moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's an incredible moment. Crazy. Well, speaking of moments, should we get into our favorite episodes?

56:08 Number four. Yeah. Favorite episodes? Sure. What's your favorite episode? I mean, Mary Vincent. Yeah. Like, I just think that story has, like, stuck with me personally over the years, and I feel like it's one of the things anytime I've run into murder Rhinos. Besides, you know, before you started touring again, any time I'd run into a murderer and I when her character Georgie going back on tour, but, like. Yeah, Mary Vincent story is just. That's when I see. Yeah, I see that one mentioned like online more than any other one.

56:38 Or like, I listened to that and became a murderer, you know, like, that's totally the one. So good job. Oh, thank you kindly. I mean, honestly, the Anaheim deaths at Disneyland was just it was it was unexpected. And it's so fun as a prize for me because, you know, it's a surprise for George. And I don't know the stories we're about to tell each other ever. In ten years. Yeah. We've never known. So that one was like, because we were in Anaheim, it was like the people, the locals, the people who've had to deal with Disneyland or worked at Disneyland, you know, all that stuff.

57:12 And we were also in this funny little room that felt like a conference room at, like, the Hyatt that they had made into, like, a theater for us. Yeah. So at certain points it was like rocking, literally like the room was rocking with, like the back and forth of it all. And it was like that experience couldn't have happened in any other way without that story making it happen. And I love that so much because and I said this about hometowns recently, too. So desert amusement parks have been, anxiety obsession of mine since I was a kid.

57:48 Like, I remember the first time I heard about someone dying on Space Mountain at Disneyland as a, like a six year old and being like, what the fuck? I need to know everything about this. So, like this podcast, that's true crime. And also with hometowns where it's like, I want to know what happened in your fucking neighborhood that you can't stop thinking about because shit happened in mine. And I have not been able to stop thinking about that my whole life because I hate things. I-80, but also like, how could you?

58:14 There's people who just go around places and not think about the worst things that could happen, right? Fuck. Are you? Yeah. So getting to do that story. So even though it's true crime deaths at Disneyland, you wouldn't think, you know, goes along with that. And like, getting to sit on stage and tell you and an, like, whole audience that are excited to hear about my biggest fears like like and share it and not be called names or not be like sent to rehab or whatever. Yeah, it's just so fucking incredible and special.

58:44 And then the hometowns too, where it's like I used to just ask random people once in a while, you know, what happen now? We get like fucking inundated and I get to hear everyone's story. I just like it, I feel. And that's my career. Yeah, that's my life. Yeah. And that's why, like, I was able I can, like, help my family with money. Like it's because of this. So that's just an incredibly special, amazing thing. Yeah. It's just the it's getting it's you think you might you're think you're alone or you think you're different or weird.

59:15 And then to have all these people be like, no, I had the exact same thought you had, or I have the exact same fear you have. And that or that idea of like when we're going through those deaths. And this is the misunderstanding that happens all the time. No one likes the death part. Right? That's not what we're doing. Yeah. We're basically talking about those things going, this happened. It's so awful. Work together. You're not alone reading this in the dark in your bed anymore. Like we somehow bridge this gap that we didn't realize needed to be bridged so badly.

59:48 Yeah. Of like we're going to talk about it together and it's going to have all the elements. Not it's not just jokes, it's not comedy the whole time. It's comedy, tragedy, comedy, tragedy, poignant moment, personal moment, like it hits all those buttons. Yeah. And not consciously. It's just like, that's just kind of how we figured out how to do it. Yeah. Well. And for you, are your favorite episodes of your own just the kind of rabbit holes you would have gone or you feel like half the time you're like, well, I've already been reading about this for like a few weeks, like Typhoid Mary or like a Ghost Stories.

1:00:23 That was like stuff that you are already into different plane crashes or bridge collapses or Mothman like, that just was stuff you both were already interested in. I can't when when there is a day like when we're going to record and even when things have been so fucking stressful in our world and everything that's going on and I go, I can't. In my mind, I think I can't wait to caring about the story I like or I'm writing, you know, putting the finishing touches on it. I mean, like, oh, I can't, I'm going to add this because Karen's going to like when I'm excited to tell Karen a story, that's when I know it's going to be a good episode.

1:00:54 And whether that's on stage or just here, I mean, that's when I know it's like, so even a cold case, I be like, okay, I have to make this cold case worth it to tell her. Yeah, she's going to be pissed. So, like, how do I make this the cold case that Karen is like, okay, hearing. Yeah. And that's when I know it's going to be like a good episode or a good story that I tell. Yeah, we're we're each other's perfect audience. Yeah. Because then it's like you're, you know, come along with me where I bring you into my, British, Victorian 1800s thing that you don't care about.

1:01:27 But I'm going to make you care then I do now. Yeah, I do, I mean, it is like. Yeah. Like, you know, to be totally transparent, there have been times when we have not been getting along and then we'll record and like, how fucking special? Like fuck, we're so good together. And it's just like undeniable. And it just softens this part of you. You know, also the to me it's funny because I feel like the, the not getting along is always been, oh, are you having trouble doing your gigantic business with the person you met four months ago?

1:02:02 Like every time I would be upset or frustrated, whatever it would be like, who has ever done a situation like this? Well and gracefully the whole time? And like with complete unity, it's like not getting along is how you get through a thing like that. And it's basically saying, I have, you know, you have your opinion, I have my opinion. Can we get together and decide what's best for this third thing? Right. Which is not either of us. It's this thing which we both fucking care about. So much. And you can't. It's not like it's hard.

1:02:33 You can't, like, fight over a thing you're both so passionate about. I do think both of us having older sisters was I was about to say, like the sister element was such a reoccurring theme for both of you having older sisters. Like, it's a kid's really thing for sure special, but it's also the worst version because no little sister wants to be older sister by somebody else. So we've gone through our whole lives being absolutely oppressed by our older sisters in some ways. And so then when you start hearing the older sister tone, which I love, I know exactly how to copy my sister's voice, you know, in that thing of like, it took me way too long to realize that's exactly what Georgia doesn't want to hear.

1:03:16 So, like, that's not going to convince her of anything that's actually going to push her the other direction or trigger me into, like, all my bad habits. Yeah, that happen when I get, you know, well, and also when it's like, what we're fighting about is not who's going to drive to the party. It's this thing that's highly impactful. And there's all these people waiting to see and money and pressure and decisions and it's like, yeah. And also we have to get through this. We we have to. Yeah. And it doesn't matter how bad exactly.

1:03:47 We still have to come meet up on a Monday and fuck and yeah, yeah. Tell each other story. Do it. No there was no Christmas and New Year's off. It was like back then you had to do a podcast every week. You know what? Like summer off like nothing. Because the second you even got slightly popular, right. That's when people were like, I think we one time did it on a different day. Yeah, well, because the Golden State Killer press conference, we waited two in the morning, even knows exactly what it's like. That one very specifically.

1:04:16 I remember because we were like, no, we should watch this, right. And then we recorded it like around noon. And then I got it up like by four M on a Thursday. But I mean, people did hear about it. Yeah. No, there was a I mean, back in the day, it was like if something was late or it was like, oh God, what's happening? Are they okay? Can we do a wellness check? Like, yes, it would be me and you talking at 730 in the morning because I'd look at Twitter and people would be like, I don't know. No, no, no, it's my automatic thing or whatever.

1:04:43 And then I'd be like, Stephen, did something bad happen? Like a first for like, oh, I fell asleep at the computer. I'm so sorry. I woke up at 11:00 in the morning. You guys, what do you think? Yeah yeah. So I'm like, okay, how's it going, everybody? Yeah, I just woke up. What's happening? And then the fighting begins. Yeah. Yeah. Well. But again, no physical violence. I can confirm that's the same. No no no. They're pulling. No nothing. Never ever. We've always been able to come back to our senses in some way. I broken some of her shit secretly. Oh yeah. Yeah.

1:05:13 That's right. It's like I'm home and all the mirrors in my house are broken. This is crazy. Well, I mean, we're getting we're we're counting down. We're at three, and I feel like the catchphrases, you know, the MFM feminism stay sexy. Like, at what point, what point do you remember? Like, when people were, like, saying things back at you? Were you surprised by, like, what the stuff was that people were like, fuck the lightness, the things that were catching on or like that we'd end up putting, oh, this is the shirt.

1:05:39 Yeah yeah. I do remember the first time someone ever yelled stay sexy at me out of a car in San Francisco on hate. Like in the, you know, maybe even soon. I had just gotten married or like, for some reason, we were in Northern California and some fucking girl yelled, stay sexy driving by! And I just screamed and don't get murdered, like in the middle of a fucking, like, public place. So, like, it is still a little bit like you kind of have to whisper it, you know, because it sounds crazy to like this girl at a gym recently who work there who was so lovely.

1:06:11 She was like, helping me with, like, cancel my membership because I don't go in the gym. What do you mean? You're at the. Yeah, I was canceling shit that I had paid for for six months, had never gone to. And she was so lovely and sweet. And on the way out, she was like, hey, sexy, damn it. What? She tell her three get up! But I had to yell, don't get murdered at a gym. Yeah, so that's all. But that's a great, like, final line. Yeah. Do you like. And bye. You guys will not see me back here, right? Yeah. I think I've told this story a million times, but it really was very affecting because having already lived in Los Angeles, you know, trying to make it in Los Angeles for at that point 15 years or more and sitting, getting my nails done in Silver Lake near the 99 cent store.

1:06:57 And it was that kind of thing where it's like, I always feel so self-conscious getting my nails done, where I'm like, here, like it stuff gets me look pretty. And right is, like in the middle. She was done, but I was in the middle, and she this girl just walked up and went say sexy and ran and truly, literally ran out at, like, I was going to be like, shut the fuck up. And then I was like, this is perfect. Because no, people don't yell at me. They're always like, I know you don't want to talk to me and run away. And I'm like, whatever.

1:07:31 I've done to make it be like this, this is my dream come true. I get all the all the glory, but it's all real quiet. Not embarrassing. And I think that was so cool about the book too, is that we got because every chapter is a, you know, one of our things that for some reason people held on it like, fuck politeness and stay out of the forest. And so like getting to write a chapter about what that means to us was so cool. Because there are a lot of them that, yeah, we we don't even know they're a thing until someone else makes art about it.

1:08:03 Yeah. The art that someone made for live, laugh learned a levity. Yeah, that was the first one. It was on the Facebook page. R.I.P. even you did a lot of hard work for that one out. Oh God. But that the person who made it, it was this beautiful, very modern looking, you know, various static, live, laugh, learned to levitate where I. When I first looked at it, I was like, what's this? And then it's like, oh my God, that's George's quote. And it made me laugh so hard because they did that. Like, it's this goofy quote that makes no sense on a thing that looks like it's supposed to be you'd buy at HomeGoods or something.

1:08:38 Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And then it's like all these people get it. They get it like down to the bone. They have a sense of humor. They're so funny. Yeah, they they're so and talented. Yeah. Like so great. What a combination. Even, like, stay safe, do God's mission. I feel like that became such a fun. Like when people like when whenever we'd hear people telling us. Yeah, we say that. I'll say it like, yeah. It's like. It's like folklore. Almost like, what is the folklore that's come out of this podcast? And it's like, kind of just like we wouldn't have no, we wouldn't know what it is, just talking about it unless someone made a fucking shirt out of it. Yes.

1:09:15 That's right. And also, just because you can have Christians involved in this podcast, you wouldn't think you could. Yeah, but you just SDM in a different way. You say saved and you do God's mission. Yeah. Do you remember the first time we saw Nick Terry? That was it was either I'm trying to remember it was either Cocaine Bear or. Oh yeah. You know, Swiss cheese person. It. Right. Like there's the Greenland shark. Like there was. I think it was the Swiss cheese pervert. Yes, yes it was, it was. I think she was. It was so funny. It was, it was, I was speechless.

1:09:48 I mean, I still am every time I see one now, I'm like. Like he makes me feel so funny when I watch him. Like he makes me like. Well, I'm like, I say funny shit. Just because Nick Terry puts, you know, hilarious animation to whatever dumb stuff we say. We really lucked out with Nick, Terry and his ability and and willingness basically to do this with us. And he has done it for so long that if you haven't seen it, you guys go look up MFM animated. It is just joyful. It's joyful. Yeah, I feel like he captures though, even though again, they weren't video podcast at the time, like the one learning about the snakes in the walls.

1:10:25 And you do you, Karen, like to me like, oh, and I'm like, that's what you were doing on the couch, like somehow. So like, even Vince's beard colors are so spot on. I definitely want to get a tattoo of Vince as Nick Terry, some of the how crazy a couple's tattoos of each other all the way down. Oh my god, I'm so with that. That's oh, I got Elvis and an animated Elvis. Also, just a random story, but of the girl that was going into the candy shop who ends up going like this. Yeah, like the way he did it. Oh, yeah. You just have to see it.

1:10:58 It's just magical and so fun. Because being a stand up comic from the 90s, I was raised to, at least act like I hated everything I did and judge it. And you couldn't ever be braggy. That was the worst thing in the world. And just being like this, it's like Nick Terry did it. I did it right. Just like, watch this. It's so good. But it's it's really not really you. So it's okay. Yeah, exactly. He did it. I mean, you brought up Elvis, but I mean MFM Pat's number two and my fan Pat's. I mean, it's a real menagerie I mean you both have had over the years.

1:11:30 That's right. It's so crazy that that is a part of the podcast. You know, like Elvis meowing at the end of the episodes. That was like, I don't know, a couple episodes in even. Yeah, it's just kind of an accidental thing because we needed a funny button, at the end of a depressing thing. Yeah. So and I feel like it's kind of a thing now to have your pet as part of the podcast. Yeah, but we were just. I just have always loved hearing him. Meow. I was like, let's send on this thing that makes me happy. Yeah. But then, yeah, they're all our pets now.

1:11:59 Like, I have so much fan art of my animals and like, it brings me so much fucking joy. We have had so many beautiful renderings of our animals or hilarious renderings. I just remembered there was one I wanted to get a picture of and I didn't, which is, Franklin Blossom currently. Oh my god, there's the two bottom ones I have on my shelves. Yeah, I have a front room. I have those on my wall. I mean, it's gorgeous. That's like there's people that would pay $1,000 for that. And you just had someone bring them to us. A price look like that's the face she makes.

1:12:31 It's not just like a cat eye calico cat that's fucking mean. That literally is me. Me all mad and. Sure. Yeah. All wrap. Yeah, I know, it's so crazy. And also then to have this gorgeous artwork of a dog that like you, that's the thing about pets that they're, they're, it's they're special. Yeah. It's special and it's short term. And to have something like that in cartoon version and like in all these versions and people being like here, this matters to you and this is a thing I can do. Like I love it. Yeah. These are like things really.

1:13:04 Dolls almost. This is from Mighty Pigeon, who is like an early art. Like 2017, 2016. Very early. Like, just bringing it so hard. Yeah. Those were. I mean, I would get that tattooed if I were a tattoo person. There was one. I'd love to. I said once that Elvis's, had smelled like a library book. And so I loved the smell of his head, which now I look back and it's like, probably just cat litter. So, but someone drew a picture of Elvis. Cat of Elvis with it. Oh, well, this one that's gorgeous. This is actually huge. And it's all made out of, like, paper maché.

1:13:39 Those are all pieces of paper. Wow. Like a magazine that's incredible. We'll put all of these names on social media so that everyone gets their. Yeah, yeah, these are national media. That's like that is up. Like when you walk in my front door that is front and center. Gorgeous art. That's the other thing. It's like it truly is just gorgeous artwork. I didn't think I'd ever be able to, like, have so much art on my walls. And that's all, like, it's all pets. When we were like, oh yeah, we should show all of the artwork that we have at home.

1:14:10 I was like, I was thinking in my head, it was like, oh, those two like illustrations of them. And and there's like two more. There's like 11. I see so much of it around my house and yeah, it's really good. Wait, are there more? Can we look at more? Oh my gosh. Yeah. That's the wow. And what does it say. Can you read the I love you now. Fuck. Yeah. That is like what so much did it truly looks like that's coming up next charging friend. Yes I would watch that game so good anymore. Oh gosh. This is from Scarlet River.

1:14:45 She is so tight. I also have a plate that she like a Victorian plate that she wrote fuck politeness on in my bathroom. Yeah, of all places. But this picture of Dottie that she painted is cute. I just stare at it sometimes. It's makes me so happy. It's so good. It's so good. Oh, and then that's a pillow of Dottie that someone gave me. And this adorable drawing of that. Somehow Dottie is, like, super photogenic. Yeah. Yes. For art, I don't know. Yeah, yeah. Oh my God. Really good. And, the Queen. Oh, this series, this is the one that's on my dad's refrigerator.

1:15:18 It looks like Frank's smoking a cigar, and it's such, such beautiful. I think it's watercolor. Yeah, I think so, too. It's incredible. I love it, like watercolors. The hardest. Oh. Oh, wow. Look at them all together. I know you think they'd get along. I know you did well here in the studio. Yeah, just a little, I know. Is there one of blossom in my. Oh, just so we can make sure that the the new ones get a shout out to. I don't know, I don't have one of blossom. Yeah. Because I forgot to take the picture. Is there one though.

1:15:48 It's, blossom and Frank here. And then George's in the middle wearing a halo. Oh stop. And it's like. And they have really funny eyes that are very accurate. Like, Blossom's eyes look like she's panicking. Yeah. And then Frank's kind of like eye roll. Do you think it also made people want to share pet stories? Because I feel like that was so fun. And I think, you know, between the most heartbreaking and harrowing tales in the hometowns, we get cute pet hero stories. Yes. And then you got a lot of Penny Lane Arts. Yeah. Right.

1:16:18 Yeah. Rest in peace. Rest in peace, Penny Lane. Yeah. I mean, they're all hanging out, having martinis, something. That's right. You know, George is trying to eat Penny Lane. Oh, no, she's not a friendly dog. It's not a nice. Yeah. So we're getting down to number one. Yes, we're getting down to number one. I mean, obviously, the murder Reno's number one. The murder community. Come on, come on. Yeah, like that's it. It's. We would not be anywhere without the people that listen. Not only listen to this podcast, but cared enough to send us that stuff.

1:16:52 Yeah yeah. Be on that Facebook page every single morning, right? Posting memes. I mean, I do live shows. I have like, people have asked me like, I've been asked this a lot. Like, do you ever happen to get weird experiences with weird fans or whatever? And I'm like, knock on wood, I should maybe I shouldn't be saying this. I have never fucking not felt awesome after meeting a person who comes up to me and like 100% I have, it's never been anything but fucking cool. Yeah. Do you ever experience this where somebody says hi and you're like, do I know you?

1:17:23 You know, I know the look now. You know the look. He a little bit. But I have to say this, this was really embarrassing. Over Christmas break, I went into a store and it was freezing cold as it's been. So like some other store I bought, like a stocking cap and put it on, folded it up because I was. I was freezing. And then I went to the next store and I was like, I think, I think they listen to the podcast and we're talking, talking and then whatever. And then I go home and I go into the bathroom, and my stocking cap was standing up like a, like a like a cat in the cat.

1:17:59 Yeah. Yes. It was the tallest hat. So it was like I walked into the store like, hey, can I get a it was the it was raised deli. I was ordering a sandwich and I was like, this person knows who I am. And it's like, no, they don't just the tall is stocking hat like a turkey sandwich, you know, whatever. I mean, I can tell though, like, yeah, well, I was going to say, like the experience. And I feel like the relationship you've built with people when you were both, like, on a flight, like waiting to leave somewhere and some people took a selfie and like, with you behind and you took a selfie back, let just say hi like, don't you?

1:18:35 You're like, yeah. Like I feel like, you know, people at ease all the time. Like, no, we like the same stuff. We're passionate about the same things. Let's just like, gab about, like five minutes. You know, when this stops happening, that's the problem. What do you want to like? I'm so sorry to bother you. I'm like, you're not fucking hurting me like I have. I'm here because of you. I have what I have because of you. It's just. Yeah. Yeah we're. It's not like we were two young actresses on a on a hit sitcom or something like that.

1:19:00 It's like we, first of all, you know, worked for years trying to get to a place like this, totally both of us. And then got it. And then I think very much kept each other aware of what we had and how how lucky we were to have it. And like, I think that piece, you know, I'm grateful to you for, for keeping the gratitude kind of like front and center, because that piece of it really is like, if you just start believing that this is this is like we somehow figured out a figured out something that's crazy because it came as surprisingly and as kind of like a wave.

1:19:43 It's just it wasn't our doing. We were doing this thing over here and they showed up, assembled themselves, started doing subgroups. Oh, we're murdering us that also have really bad allergies or whatever the fuck. And and people basically organize themselves later after shows. Now our friends for life people are best friends because of after meeting after shows. And they say like a lot of them will be like in the comments, like, I feel like we all accomplished this together and it totally does feel like that. Like y'all.

1:20:15 Yeah, we're all the little like ten years because it's four. It's all of ours. It's not. Yeah, we're not actresses. We didn't get cast to do this. And then people come up to us and they say, I feel like I know you, and I'm always like, you fucking do because we told you literally everything about ourselves. Like there's nothing worse than telling a story. I told Allison and Nicole a story today, and as I was telling it, I was like, but you both know that because I've told this on the show before where it's like, I literally have about 17 stories.

1:20:43 Yeah. And I've told them all on this goddamn podcast. You know what gives me away every time? Having a really tall husband, people see him and go, oh, and then they're like, like, I get noticed because I have a really tall man with a, you know, distinctive beard and everything. Like, I saw Vince and then I saw you. I knew you were there. I'm like, I know. Yeah, but it's. Yeah, it's nice. And you can see the fit. There's a face. They make this face. And then because it's podcasting. So it's not like they recognize you immediately.

1:21:10 Right. And then you go, You know I there's been half as many times as someone comes up to me, I've said to them like, hi, you know, I've initiated it because I can tell. Or they have, you know, the shirt on my favorite murder shirt on or something like that. And because you don't wear tall hats, you know, for a fact that's what the faces, right? I'll doubt it for the rest of my life. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I'm trying to think there's anything else I can believe it. Stephen, what's your favorite memory? Do you have a favorite memory?

1:21:35 Oh, I don't know. I mean, I think just having a space where I feel like being trusted so much. I mean, the idea that we. It was the three of us, and it was like, you let me put edit this show and then put it out. Put out anyone else looking at it was like a lot of trust. Like I say, I'm really grateful for that. I feel like it really. I mean, again, I feel like I've learned so much from the both of you and like that stuff that sticks with me even now. Like, that's a confidence boost. Hey, by the way, we're such a million people.

1:22:12 Like, yeah, I think you'll do all right. You got it. Yeah. Well, yeah, it is funny, you and I, what we were saying before you got here, like you did actually experience all of this, the craziness in the beginning with us, it's like you, us and you events are the only people who were, like, going what the all of us for, like, what's happening? What is this? Yeah. Very like small little special group that will never, you know, no one will ever be able to under 20th reunion, 30 years. We'll put the streamers up, we'll be famous.

1:22:43 Edit that out. Yeah, please. Right then. Oh my gosh, thank you so much. Thank you. We love you, Steve. I'm so grateful you guys asked me back. We could do without you. Yeah. Thank you so much. You really. You gave it your all and then some and will always be so grateful for the job you did for us. Thank Lee. And now I go back into my slumber for another 17 years. Right. Oh, you and we. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Let a special moment that was that really. That was really like old home week I love that. And also him being here made me remember things that I haven't thought of in so long.

1:23:20 And he remembered way more than I do I know. Yeah, he had a different point of view. Yeah, yeah. So awesome. Should we do our last segment? We were going to do something called then and now. So basically because it's been ten years and people have been doing this in the emails that they've been sending us for hometowns and stuff, where basically we've been talking about how it's been ten years and like what's changed. So we asked people to send in basically what their life has been like these past ten years. Yeah. Where were you then when you started listening?

1:23:53 And where are you now? Yeah. Go first. Sure. This is from Cowpea on Instagram. Then single, struggling, static, now blossoming, living and married to the man I met at 50. Oh, that's beautiful. Sweet. This one's from it last time. 417. And it says I was in cancer treatment when I found you in 2016. Now I'm ten years cancer free. Oh God. Oh my God. Yeah. Wow. That's fucking incredible. That must have been so fucking scary. And that's like to be able to report that news. I hope that felt great. Alaska mom Marissa Rivas says I was 21 getting out of a toxic relationship.

1:24:38 Now I'm 27, married and a professor. Oh my God, you became a professor at the time because it's like to us. No, I was a professor the whole time. Oh, right. That's a no. Just kidding, just kidding. Let's see. This one's from an MD. Son. And it says I was a polite 40 year old. Then. Now I'm a 50 year old who regularly fucks politeness. Yes, great. Love it. Zella Kell says D1 listener MJ one listener. Yay! That says grad school forensic scientists for military biologists at CDC now. Whoa. We have a friend at the CDC, got an insider at the CDC.

1:25:17 Yeah. Hell, yes. This is from Kirstie JC five, and it says I was starting a new scary, male dominated work industry. Now I'm thriving in the industry. Fuck, yeah. Hell, yes. So, rodeo clown. Do we have any rodeo clowns? Alyssa, please write in. Please write that if you do s rap. Brookins. Something says I was 16 years old, just starting community college. Now I'm a 26 year old professional ASL interpreter. Whoa. We have smart listeners. Yeah, we do. This is from bird Dot self, and it says in 2016 I was a sophomore in high school.

1:25:58 Now I teach sophomores. Oh my God, what a turn circle. Always in sophomore year though. Nightmare baby. The worst year arguably actually. Well you know it hopefully be nice to the sophomores. Okay. This is from Carolyn Marie's. She says skinny dipping in my college apartments pool versus drinking wine while hiding from my kids. This one is Christina k, I think. And it says in a cult versus not in a cult. What a change. Were you in a cult at any point listening to this podcast? Write to us at my favorite murder at gmail.

1:26:38 We need to know everything. Please tell us everything. We'll do a crossover with trust me. That's right. My last one could have been written by me. It's by we, Amy. And it says then normal. Now perimenopausal as hell. Yes. Same. My last one is Braden. Our ski and it says single, broke. Unhappy. Now I'm still broke. Not as unhappy, lol. Good. We're not looking for huge change. No, you didn't have to do jack shit in ten years. Yeah, we just survive. Yeah, we're. And survive with us. Yeah. And you know, just to just basically listen to our tagline and try to do that.

1:27:16 That's true. We have our own then and now. Oh yeah. Then and now is that then we were two gals in an unconditioned, apartment. An air conditioned or with and with unconditioned hair, with, unconditional love in our hearts and no makeup. Don't care about what I'm wearing or a lot of house dresses. Oh, my God, there's the picture. There we are. That is truly what it looked like and felt like to record literally at George's apartment. I think that the thing behind me that looks like a big machinery thing is a portable air conditioner that I tried to get to work, but I had a sliding glass door so it wouldn't work.

1:27:54 Yeah, and it was too loud to use during the fucking recording anyways, so you just put your short shorts on and you said, let's do this thing. I used to be able to record in house clothes, and I do. I do miss that. That's a lot of ass and a lot of feet going on and a lot of cheekbone from Karen. That's right. I wasn't afraid to suck my cheeks in and take a selfie every once in a while. So that was us then? Yeah. Now we're here. Yeah. And the exciting thing is, yeah, we're on Netflix on fucking Netflix. This podcast as a video podcast is going to be on Netflix now exclusively on Netflix.

1:28:31 It happened really fast, like so I didn't really have like a lot of time to absorb it. And I was like, oh, we're just our videos moving to Netflix. Nothing is really changing that much, but the amount of people I got that like, I know that reached out that were like, Netflix can like and this is just like, oh, we're just moving to Netflix. We've been people. It's like a it's Netflix. It's the only thing my dad watches. It's a very big deal. He might actually pay attention to the show from now on. My stepdad sent me a photo of the of the like graphic.

1:29:00 Yes, on Netflix, which he's never done. I didn't even know he knew how to do that. So we're not going to be changing it all. Audience. No, that was a joke about being on camera for now. What if I just flashed my tits? Haha. Well, we're very happy to be here. And thank you to our listeners for getting us here. Yeah, and for being with us while we got here. Yeah, we couldn't have done it without you. We appreciate you guys so fucking much. So do us a favor and stay sexy and don't get murdered. Goodbye Elvis. Do you want a cookie?

1:29:40 My boy.

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Who speaks in "10 Year Anniversary Special! (with Steven Ray Morris) | MFM 515"?

Karen Kilgariff (Host), Georgia Hardstark (Host), Steven Ray Morris (Guest).

What is "10 Year Anniversary Special! (with Steven Ray Morris) | MFM 515" about?

The ten-year anniversary special reflects on the journey of the podcast, celebrating a decade of growth, unexpected opportunities, and the deep personal connections that have developed over the years. Hosts Georgia Hardstark and Karen Kilgariff share their memories and milestones, emphasizing the significance of their experiences and the impact of shared storytelling on their lives and the lives…

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9 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including My Favorite Murder, MFM, Exactly Right, Stephen Ray Morris, Stay Sexy, Don't Get Murdered, Golden State Killer. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "10 Year Anniversary Special! (with Steven Ray Morris) | MFM 515"?

The episode runs 1 h 30 min; the transcript is about 17,480 words in 159 timestamped sections.

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