Belichick Snubbed For Hall of Fame, DeAndre Hopkins Stops By, Hot Seat - Cool Throne + FAQS

What this episode is about

The discussion centers on DeAndre Hopkins' interview, reflections on Championship Sunday, coaching changes in the NFL, particularly concerning the Browns and Eagles, and a new list from Zach for an upcoming 36-hour stream. The segment also includes updates on Pro Bowl news and answers to frequently asked questions.

Key takeaways

• Cleveland Browns: a dream gig crippled by their infamous penchant for bad luck and coaching turnover.
• The Pro Bowl's relevance? Dying faster than a quarterback's confidence behind a subpar offensive line.
• Shador Sanders made the Pro Bowl— proof that even mediocrity can shine when others drop the ball.
• Game Time app: because fans deserve ticket-buying magic, not the dark arts of hidden fees.
• Geno Smith is the ultimate football paradox: the bridge between a playoff team and the league's worst.

Who speaks in this episode?

• PFT Commenter (Host) · 1 h 12 min speaking
• Big Cat (Host) · 1 h 12 min speaking
• DeAndre Hopkins (Guest) · 43 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 15:00: Jim Schwartz, Shador Sanders, Cleveland Browns, NFL
2. 15:00 – 30:00: Kurt Warner, Matthew Stafford
3. 30:00 – 45:00: Bill Belichick, Bill Polian, Drake May
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00: DraftKings, NFL, Shador Sanders, Bill Belichick
5. 1:15:00 – 1:30:00: Moren Sweeney, NFL, DeAndre Hopkins, Jim Schwartz
6. 1:30:00 – 1:45:00: DeAndre Hopkins, Moren Sweeney
7. 1:45:00 – 2:00:00: Drake May

Notable quotes from "Belichick Snubbed For Hall of Fame, DeAndre Hopkins Stops By, Hot Seat - Cool Throne + FAQS"

• On today's part of my take presented by DraftKings, we have DeAndre Hopkins on the show. Great interview with Nuke.

  about DeAndre Hopkins · at 0:00

• Than through the Game Time app. You can save even more when you choose a section and let Game Time choose the seats. Take the guesswork out of buying NFL tickets with Game…

  about NFL · at 1:00

• >> So Shador Sanders. Yes. The Pro Bowl, I love this for the discourse. I love how mad people are getting because the Pro Bowl, if you've been paying any attention, has not meant anything for a.

  about Shador Sanders · at 2:47

• Thing though is weird because it looks like we're going to get the head nipples and chief Jim Schwarz back in as a head coach. No one else wants it. Everyone's…

  about Jim Schwartz · at 6:19

• Weather showed up. And I do think that there the idea that and we actually asked if we could get Curt Warner on for Friday's show because we want to maybe talk to him…

  about Kurt Warner · at 17:10

• Been I mean it would have been an alltimer >> and Stafford has not decided on whether or not he's coming back next year. He's he's going to take some time.

  about Matthew Stafford · at 20:54

• Of all time. We don't know who's made the Hall of Fame yet and who hasn't, but the news was that Bellich did not receive the necessary votes. This is a…

  about Bill Belichick · at 41:46

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Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Shador Sanders — Person · Referenced player / running joke · 5 mentions · first at 2:16
  Central to an extended bit about the Pro Bowl losing meaning; repeatedly referenced as a (supposed) Pro Bowl QB and Browns QB option.
• DeAndre Hopkins — Person · Main guest · 5 mentions · first at 0:02
  Featured interview guest; introduced as 'Nuke' and described as a great interview subject.
• Bill Belichick — Person · Referenced legendary coach / controversy focal point · 2 mentions · first at 41:50
  Center of the Hall of Fame voting controversy; discussed as the archetypal first-ballot candidate and as a Patriots rallying point.
• Jim Schwartz — Person · Referenced coaching candidate · 7 mentions · first at 6:23
  Discussed as the likely Browns head-coach hire and valued defensive coordinator; used for comedic riffing ("nipples").
• Bill Polian — Person · Referenced decision-maker / antagonist · 2 mentions · first at 41:37
  Discussed as (allegedly) influencing Bill Belichick not being a first-ballot Hall of Famer; framed as a major hater move.
  Okay. late breaking news. I have already left the office, but we thought we had to talk about it because Bill Polian has kept Bill Bich out of the Hall of Fame as a first…
• Gino Smith — Person · Referenced NFL quarterback · 2 mentions · first at 3:30
  Used as an example in Pro Bowl selection talk and as a 'loser' narrative about being traded and team outcomes.
  >> He must have turned it down cuz I went through the list in my head and it's like Bo Knicks is hurt. Gino would probably be one that did not get asked…
• Drake May — Person · Referenced quarterback (comparison point) · 3 mentions · first at 3:10
  Mentioned in the Pro Bowl alternate chain and later in QB comparison talk; name likely refers to Drake Maye.
  1,400 yards, seven touchdowns, 10 interceptions, and an 18.9 QBR. He makes it as an alternate because Drake May in the Super Bowl. Josh Allen's hurt. who else is who else is on the list?
• Kurt Warner — Person · Referenced expert / potential guest · 2 mentions · first at 17:15
  Mentioned as someone they tried to book to discuss dome/weather football and preview the Super Bowl.
• Matthew Stafford — Person · Referenced NFL quarterback · 1 mention · first at 21:14
  Mentioned in discussion about the Rams' future and whether he will return next year; framed as pivotal to roster direction.
• Aaron Rodgers — Person · Referenced NFL quarterback · 2 mentions · first at 3:18
  Listed among quarterbacks in the Pro Bowl selection discussion; used as a throwaway line ('old').
  >> I went through the list and >> Herbert's hurt.
• Trevor Lawrence — Person · Referenced NFL quarterback · 1 mention · first at 3:23
  Part of the Pro Bowl selection/decline speculation; used to illustrate how far down the list alternates go.
  >> Trevor Lawrence didn't get asked.
• Moren Sweeney — Person · Referenced celebrity (incidental) · 7 mentions · first at 1:25:27
  Not substantively discussed in the provided context; likely a stray/other segment mention not included here.
  >> Why wouldn't she do that? Sydney Sweeney selling bras in for all sizes.

Companies & orgs

• Cleveland Browns — Company · Business focus · 3 mentions · first at 2:08
  Discussed in the context of their coaching search and quarterback situation.
  Why oh why will no one take the Cleveland Browns job? Knowing that you have a Pro Bowl quarterback, >> it seems like it's a tailor- made job for success. Shador made the Pro Bowl.

Concepts & topics

• NFL — Concept · Core topic · 4 mentions · first at 1:06
  Central theme of the episode, discussing various NFL teams, players, and events.

Sponsors

• DraftKings — Company · Sponsor · 4 mentions · first at 0:00
  Presented as the sponsor of the podcast segment.
• Game Time — Company · Sponsor · 2 mentions · first at 0:39
  Promoted as a service for buying tickets to NFL games.
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Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 On today's part of my take presented by DraftKings, we have DeAndre Hopkins on the show. Great interview with Nuke. Really awesome guy to talk to. We're going to clean up from Championship Sunday. We have some hirings and firings. We're trying to figure out who's going to coach the Browns, who's going to call the plays for the Eagles. We have Zach's list. So, Zach is going to debut his list of ideas for the 36-hour stream with Max doing 18 of those hours. We have Hot Seat Cool Throne. We have some Pro Bowl news. And then we're going to finish off with some FAQs. It's all brought to you by our friends at Game Time. The Game Time app gives the advantage back to fans. It's the hack for unlocking amazing tickets and experiences in just a few taps. It's incredibly easy to use and the game time guarantee means you can trust you'll get

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1:33 Football A. Yeah. Martin. Yeah, might take Yeah, my take. Welcome to part of my take presented by DraftKings. The crown is yours. Today is Wednesday, January 28th and PFT, I have a question for you to start the show. Why oh why will no one take the Cleveland Browns job? Knowing that you have a Pro Bowl quarterback, >> it seems like it's a tailor- made job for success. Shador made the Pro Bowl. What else do you hot young talent? I want to know how Shador f found out that he made the Pro Bowl because usually the coach calls you.

2:25 >> Yeah. >> And the Browns don't have a coach. >> I was hoping that maybe Jeff's son had to give him a call and let him know as punishment. Yes. For what he did during the draft. >> This might be what kills the Pro Bowl. Yeah. >> We've been We've been begging for the Pro Bowl to die. It's It's been on life support and uh it's been time to pull the plug for a while and maybe the fact that Shador made it that that should be the end of the line, right?

2:47 >> So Shador Sanders. Yes. The the Pro Bowl, I love this for the discourse. I love how mad people are getting because the Pro Bowl, if you've been paying any attention, has not meant anything for a really long time now. And this is the final nail in the coffin. Shadore had 1,400 yards, seven touchdowns, 10 interceptions, and an 18.9 QBR. He makes it as an alternate because Drake May in the Super Bowl. Josh Allen's hurt. Uh, who else is who else is on the list? Lamar's hurt. >> I went through the list and >> Herbert's hurt.

3:21 >> Uh, Aaron Rogers is old. >> Trevor Lawrence didn't get asked. >> Is that true? >> I don't know. >> That's not He must have gotten asked. >> He must have turned it down cuz I I went through the list in my head and it's like Bo Knicks is hurt. Uh, Gino would probably be one that did not get asked, >> which by the way, we when we did our losers on Monday, we forgot Gino Smith. Again, loser is a relative term because he plays professional football and he's a quarterback and he's made a ton of money, but Gino Smith got traded from the Seahawks and they immediately went to the Super Bowl and the team he went to got the number one pick.

3:53 >> Yeah, >> that's as brutal as it gets. There's one common denominator between the Seahawks and Raiders for it to be potentially the best team and the worst team and it's Gino Smith. >> I would say maybe Pete Carol. >> Yeah, >> he would be on that list too. Uh but again, Pete Carol never coached for the Raiders so we don't have to talk about that. But yeah, I went through the list of every AFC quarterback yesterday and I I feel like Gino is the one that did not get asked.

4:17 >> Dylan Gabriel did not get asked. >> Brady Cook probably did not get asked. Um, what's the guy from? Uh, >> Tua. Do you think Tua turned it down? That's the real question. >> Tua probably didn't get asked. Who was the guy? Ola Doomka. >> Oladuk. >> Yeah. >> Yeah, he he probably >> he probably did not get asked either. >> Flaco should have made it. >> CJ Strad should have made it.

4:40 >> She CJ Shroud definitely should have made it. >> Phil Rivers. Phil Rivers should have made it. Absolutely. >> I think all these guys might have turned it down. Yeah, Daniel Jones. I think he's injured so he obviously turned down. But yeah, it's um >> Cam, what do you think? Cam Ward. Cam Ward should have made it ahead of >> Shador. Absolutely. >> It's so funny though because it really is. If they were intentionally trying to kill the Pro Bowl, mission accomplished.

5:02 I saw Shawn Marman, which like I didn't really think about this effect, but it kind of is the truth. He he tweeted, "I have a Pro Bowl helmet that I walk by almost every day. It's signed by some of the best players in the history of the NFL, legends, Hall of Famers, and Real Got. The Pro Bowl used to be a badge of honor and respected. Things have changed. >> For guys who made the Pro Bowl and when they get introduced as three, four, five time Pro Bowler, this probably does hurt. For everyone else, it's just very, very funny.

5:28 >> Yeah. And let's not act like the Pro Bowl was a great game because it never really was a It used to be better than it was at the very end when it was just obviously guys not trying to tackle and get hurt, which I also understand if you're in that game. But I mean, you talk to anybody that played in the Pro Bowl in the 90s, 2000. For the most part, it's like, yeah, we were in Hawaii. We were drunk during that game, which is that might be a better version is just do a drunk football game.

5:51 >> Drunk football case race before the football game. >> I would I would enjoy watching that. Yeah. Case race, flag football game. That sounds like a great time. But >> it it is just great though because no matter what next year when Shadore if Shidor has a bad game, Pro Bowler. >> Pro Bowler. Hey, >> that's a pro bowler right there. >> They'll never take that away from him. >> Pro Bowler. Yeah. What? If you can't if you can't love my my Pro Bowler uh at my Pro Bowl game at Tyler Huntley, you don't deserve it at Shador Sanders.

6:17 >> Yeah, >> that's where we're at. The the Browns thing though is weird because it looks like we're going to get the head nipples and chief Jim Schwarz back in as a head coach. No one else wants it. Everyone's just basically pulling out. I do have a theory that Kyle Long actually texted me about last night and he's spot on. this um uh steel chase. >> We've got we've got a we've got another Tyler Shuck situation.

6:42 >> What do you mean? >> His name is impossible. I read it every time. I read it as Steelchase, then it's Steel House, then it's like I >> His name is confusing. It should be Steel Chase. >> It's hard. It's hard to to to read, but when you hear Steel House, you just think like Brick House. >> Yeah, but it's it's hard to read. >> It's a badass name. Very hard to read. I don't know what the Browns are going to it does feel like Jim Schwarz is a guy mostly because if they don't hire him as the head coach they'll lose him as the DC which is a real problem because that's obviously the strength of the Browns.

7:11 >> I think that's actually what's making everyone pull out is Jimmy Hasslam is like if we hire you Jim Schwarz is our DC >> and every guy is like I don't want to come which totally understand. I don't want to come into a job where you have appointed me at DC who's very good at defensive coordinating, but you're essentially saying if things go wrong, he's going to be the head coach. You have you you're like, "Hey, come take the Cleveland Browns job." Oh, just by the way, we have an interim head coach waiting for you to [ __ ] up, >> right? It's like you've got a a great house, a perfect house, and you just house a shield house, and you just need to you need to uh replace the deck on it. And then if that person comes and the deck isn't what you thought, then

7:49 you're like, "Well, this whole house is [ __ ] up. I'll just hire the guy that built the rest of it. Right. >> So, it's uh listen, I like I like Jim Schwarz as a DC. It did not work out as a head coach for him, but he was in a tough situation there. Uh Detroit, right? He was the Lions head coach, and not many people have ever succeeded at doing that. So, >> maybe you grade that on a curve a little bit, but uh the most important thing with Jim Schwarz is that his name is Jim Schwarz, >> which I don't think we talk about enough. Yeah. Like, we have a man named Jim Schwarz >> that's coaching professional football.

8:18 We should be mentioning that almost every single day. I don't know who's going to coach the Browns. I don't know who's going to want to coach the Browns. I don't know what uh Hasslam has in store for the quarterback situation because that feels like it's a major question mark. You've got you're going to be saddled with one of two guys. Either Pro Bowler Shador Sanders or Pro Bowler Deshun Watson >> or Pro Bowl alternate Dylan Gabriel. >> Yes. Uh >> you have to imagine he's an alternate.

8:44 >> Almost like an embarrassment of riches there. So, uh, >> what if Shador lights it up in the Pro Bowl? >> He probably will. >> Yeah, he probably will >> because he'll probably run the play that we call for him. >> Yeah. Do you know, um, what what's the Taylor Swift, uh, song? I'm It's me, I'm the problem, it's me. >> Yeah. >> Is that it? >> Yeah. Uh, I'm the problem, it's me.

9:00 >> Yeah. >> Um, yeah. >> That was my moment, uh, when when the Jim Schwarz news was kind of, you know, bubbling up on Monday night and I was like, "Oh shit." Like, we're going to get his nipples back. And I went to find a picture of Jim Schwarz's nipples and all the Google results were just me talking about Jim Schwarz's nipples, >> which is not fair because he does objectively. The man's got rock hard nipples, >> dude. He's got [ __ ] diamond cutters.

9:23 Okay, that's just a fact. But yeah, I've kind of maybe made that bigger in my head. Uh it's just like the first result was just me talking to asking Chris Long, "Hey, what do you what's what's up with Jim Schwarz's nipples?" >> Is this another moment >> like what are you talking about? >> Is this another moment where you see a hot guy at the at the tailgate? Yeah. >> And then you keep talking about that.

9:41 You see Jim Schwarz's nipples one time and you're like, "Yeah, that's the guy with the big nipples." >> Yeah. There it is. Me asking you, "How are Jim Schwarz's nipples doing?" That's what I asked Chris Long. >> They do pop. They do. >> They pop. So, listen, Cleveland Browns fans, I know you're not feeling really awesome right now. Nipples. >> Yeah. >> You just know that you're in you got nipples in charge. Now, the other one that's weird because the Browns, their quarterback situation is a mess. their ownership. If you're a upand cominging head coach, you're like, "Hey, what's the ownership situation going to be like?" All these things come into question. The Philadelphia Eagles can't

10:16 find an offensive coordinator. And that seems like a pretty good job. >> Yeah. >> What is it? Is it not wanting to play in Philadelphia? Is it not wanting to work for Nick Cerriani? Is it not wanting to have Jaylen Herz as your quarterback? What is it, Max? >> I'm not in the I'm not in the meetings. All right. No one in this room is in the meeting. So, no one knows what's going on and why we can't find a guy. >> All right. >> Maybe.

10:41 >> So, I'm not going to sit over here and speculate on something that I don't know. >> Maybe it's a little uh little turnaround. So, maybe, you know, in the past the Eagles have made the Super Bowl and people have immediately hired your coordinators out from under. Maybe you're waiting for the Super Bowl to be over so you can hire somebody from the Patriots or the Seahawks. >> No. But what happens is when we don't make the Super Bowl, we hire someone good and then they get they just automatically get a head coaching job.

11:05 >> But it feels like we've broken that that chain. >> You don't that's You don't know that. >> I don't know. Someone's going to be the offensive coordinator and we're not going to know until after next year if they're if they're going to be a head coach. >> We're right at that stage in the life cycle where you're about to hire the guy that's going to get hired away from you next year.

11:21 >> And we're looking at this guy from the Packers who he he's a guy. >> Yeah. >> Going on. Uh, used to be a quarterback. I I just pulled this up. >> Uh-huh. Okay, that's good. Keep going. >> Uh, >> played football. >> He played football. He's a quarterback's coach of the Packers. >> Okay. >> This guy. >> Okay. >> You're telling me this guy Sean Oregon State?

11:45 >> Yep. You're telling me that guy doesn't look like a good candidate for the Eagles OC? >> Yeah. It's Kate's brother. Yeah. >> Yeah. Look at that. Come on now. That's a good candidate. >> Sure. >> Yeah. Sure. That guy would not That guy looks like he would file police reports if his his his house got egged. He would cry. >> That's That's a football guy right there. >> He looks kind of like a cop.

12:07 >> Yeah, >> it would be kind of funny to like in the interview just throw an egg at him and just like, "How do you deal with this test?" >> Have someone come in and be like, "Sir." >> Yeah. Hey, sir. There's >> a report. >> Your your your child was just booed on the way to kindergarten class. Do you have anything to say about this? >> This guy looks like he could be an eagle.

12:26 Yeah, that could be that could be the guy. >> How close do you think we are to maybe just promoting from within like a Kevin Patulo? >> There's the there's the quarterback's coach, the Bowling Green guy >> that name, you know, >> I I I stated weeks ago that I don't care that I've opted out on this. As soon as Dable and McDaniel were gone, it was like, I don't know anything. I don't know [ __ ] about [ __ ] So, let those guys figure it out and just hope that the offense is better next year.

13:02 >> Yeah. So, if you look at the uh the quarterback's coaches for the Patriots, you've got Ashton Grant, 29 years old, you've got Andrew Janokco, Janakco. Andrew Janako from the Seahawks. That sounds like a Philly name to me. Can I throw out a name that maybe has misplayed his uh hand a little bit? >> Matt Nai. >> That he's in he's in conversations. >> Yeah, because he seems like uh that didn't really work out for him where he essentially Andy Reid was like, "Yeah, we want him before the season." I think he's like, "Hey, you're going to be a a head coach or a play caller somewhere, so don't worry. You you're you're going to move on." Oh, Eric Benemy, we want you back. And then the the comments that about Eric Benemy being like, "Hey, he's

13:48 going to give it to the guys straight. He's going to be a hard coach." That doesn't feel great for Matt Nai. >> Yeah, Matt Nai, I don't know if he's built for Philly. >> Maybe I've opted out. I I tr I'm going to trust Howe I'm just going to trust Howe and Lori and Siri to find find the guy. Matt Ngi does have a history of helping the Eagles win first round playoff games. He >> is from Pennsylvania because he played quarterback in Delaware. So maybe he's maybe he's ready for it.

14:14 Maybe Matt Nai is the guy. >> I don't know. >> What does Delaware have to do with anything? >> I don't know. He just played I just know that he played I know he played at Delaware and then I looked up and he's Yeah, he's from Pennsylvania. >> Most people who go to Delaware are from Pennsylvania. >> That's not that's not dealing just cuz you played football in Delta Philly. >> It was a backwards way. I remembered in my head that he was from that he went to to college in Delaware and then I looked up and I was like, "Oh yeah, he's from Pennsylvania." >> Like Joe Flacco.

14:39 >> Yeah. >> It's a Delaware is a satellite school for Philadelphia. like South. >> My dad went to Delaware. My uncle played football at Delaware. >> There we go. See? Yeah. >> That's That's all I got. >> That's That was good. That was really good. >> That was good. That was good analysis. >> Yeah. >> All right. So, Matt Ngi, maybe. >> I don't how he's going to find how he's going to find his guy.

14:58 >> Okay. Uh clean up from Sunday. I had a couple things. One, I had a I had a a thought. This is when you know you're uh it's football just takes over your brain. I just woke up in the middle of the night and I was like, do you think that Jared Stumm maybe regrets that he had to play in that game? >> Oh, I thought that going into the game that that this is a bad moment for him because he's maybe the high highest paid backup quarterback in the NFL. >> Yeah.

15:22 >> And then you have to go out there, you have to prove it. It's the accidentally got important at my job thing. >> Yeah. >> Um that sucks for him. >> It's not a great scenario. Like if he had gone out there and won this game, >> I would say Jared Sidum at that point should fake an injury so he wouldn't have to play in the Super Bowl. >> He'd been a legend for life. you'll always be known as the guy that got the Broncos to the Super Bowl in a backup duty. Yeah.

15:43 >> So, yeah, I I agree with that. I think he's probably like, "Fuck, that sucked." >> I also I'm I'm kind of I've I've leaned towards that. I don't think I have a problem with Shawn Peyton going for that fourth and one now that I'm thinking back because the everyone's playing the game of after the game, you I know some people in the moment were like, "Take the points." But you were you >> were saying in the cave, "Take the points." >> Yeah, I know. But I've been thinking about it more. It's like you never were going to get back to the red zone. They never got back to the red zone. The play call, like PFT said on Sunday's show, was bad.

16:14 >> Yeah, that's the problem. >> If you can't get one yard, you you don't you don't deserve to win a football game. >> Also, it's it's big time hindsight looking back. What What you did on the couch, >> they wanted a knockout punch. >> What you did on that couch was I thought [ __ ] You were like, did they not know like the weather was going to come in and then the second half would be ugly? Like nobody knows that that's going to happen. Like it's it's about if you get that first down right there, you increase your chances of winning the game almost exponentially. If you go up 14 to nothing, I thought that was the right call. It was a bad play call.

16:43 That's the issue. Touch push. >> Yeah. And also at in the moment you didn't necessarily know that Jared Sidum was going to suck for the rest of the game. No, >> he hit that nice bomb downfield. That was cool. >> You could have guessed >> he ran pretty good effectively. I guess you could say you did not expect the output to be what it ended up being in the second half. Yeah, the weather police are also out in full force even more so than than we thought on Sunday night. Yeah.

17:05 >> Being like that was just the worst. I I can't reiterate enough though, the game was not good offensively before the weather showed up. And I do think that there the idea that and we actually asked if we could get Curt Warner on for for Friday's show because we want to maybe talk to him about it and preview the Super Bowl. I like personally I like that football varies in terms of there's a dome teams is a track meet and then a game like the ASC championship game quickly becomes just a survival of the fittest. Yeah. And it becomes and I know punts aren't sexy but >> the just thinking back to the Patriots punt to the 33 yd line being like holy [ __ ] did that just swing the game.

17:43 There's something about like hey we just have to find a way we have a new set of problems. We have to find a way that the conditions aren't perfect. I don't really want to take that out of football. >> Imagine if they had kicked the field goal and that game was tied and a team had to score to win. >> Yeah. >> It would have been electric. >> It I would have had a heart attack, but it would have been an unbelievable like >> h how is a team scoring.

18:06 >> Yeah. And and coaching is a big part of that. And I I like the stress that it puts on coaches to figure out a way to win in unusual conditions. That's part of the game. And and I don't want them to take that personality away from the game. It also reminds you of when you're a kid and you're playing snow football and everyone's had that experience and that's that's fun. I like watching that. So Kurt Warner, I'm sure, is going to come on be like, "Yeah, every game should be played uh at Sofi Stadium >> and and every and and and it it feels like it's he's getting he's gaining popularity, like his take is gaining popularity because of how bad that game looked in the second half. But again, I think we're going to be in a day it's going to happen no matter what. So, it's

18:41 kind of pointless to to complain about, but there will be a day in 101 15 years where 90% of the league is in a dome. And I think that will suck. I think that will suck cuz we'll miss it. We'll miss having, you know, the the weather elements impact a game, especially in the playoffs, where you have to be built in different ways. You can't you can't just build the team one way and be like, no matter what, we're going to play this way. >> Yeah. Also, very important part of this is it gives losers an excuse to be like, that's weather luck.

19:08 >> Weather luck. >> That's why these teams keep winning. weather >> and we need we need every straw available to grasp on. >> Yeah. The uh the other story I had was from the NFC Championship game, the Cooper Cup elevator story, >> which was quite something. The So, Michael Silver reported after the game that apparently when the Rams and Seahawks played in in was it week 15 or 16 um earlier in the year that Thursday night game, Cooper Cup had a costly fumble in the first half. And as both staffs were going down the elevator to the locker room for halftime, a Rams assistant essentially said to like, you know, said it to everyone but was kind of pretending to talk to only his guys being like, "Which Seattle player uh was responsible for that fumble?" And someone's like, "Oh, it's Cooper Cup."

19:56 And then they they snickered at the idea because they're like, "Yeah, he he stinks. That's why we got rid of him." >> Yeah. And then they were the the Seahawks and Rams coordinators and staff had to be broken up. They almost fought in the elevator. That's awesome. >> I like that. That's [ __ ] awesome. >> Good for the league. I'm sad that it took this long for that story to come out. >> I know. And then apparently they used it at halftime as like a rallying cry.

20:17 Cooper Cup and then it comes out. Michael Silver talks a little bit more about Cooper Cup ning not wanting to retire. The Rams basically trying to get him to retire. Maybe possibly bad mouthing him in free agency. So, this is a redemptive arc for Cooper Cup in this Super Bowl. And >> he had that touchdown catch. He had that big third down against the Rams. >> He had >> that was a great revenge game for him. >> He had the bet that Zack made on him to score another touchdown when the Seahawks had the ball with a minute and 50 left. Up four.

20:45 >> Got to take a shot. >> It was a panic pick, but you got to take shoot a shoot. >> Funniest pick ever. >> Got to take a shot. the the events that would have had to taken place would have been I mean it would have been an alltimer >> and Stafford has not decided on whether or not he's coming back next year. He's he's going to take some time. >> I think he should. But >> I also forgot the Rams have two first round picks.

21:04 >> Yeah. Falcons. >> Yeah. So the Rams are the Rams feel like they're in a situation where they're basically at everything that is just on Matthew Stafford. If Matthew Stafford decides not to come back, it's going to be a blowup situation. And if he does come back, it's like, hey, we're this close. >> Yeah. >> And did you guys see the stat, too, which was kind of funny because there's been a lot of talk about um the Shanahan coaching tree and all these guys and obviously there was the storyline of, you know, Ben Johnson and Laflur and then Ben Johnson had to play Shawn McVey. The bottom three teams in special teams EPA in the last five years are the 49ers, the Rams, and the Packers. The Shanahan coaching tree just doesn't give a [ __ ] about special teams and it bites him in the ass.

21:49 >> Interesting. >> Yeah. >> I No, I I had put that together, but yeah, those are those are three teams that we've talked about on the show. >> Correct. >> Consistently, right, having good >> and they just don't they they they I don't know if it's not they don't care about it, but they clearly put an emphasis not on, hey, special teams very important. We need to make sure that we have all this tightened up. And it lost them the game on Sunday. And I think all three of those coaches have had moments where their special teams, they know that it's a weakness and the only thing they do to fix it is they put like a star position player back there to return kicks.

22:20 >> Right. Kron Williams. >> Kyron Williams did that. They they they've done that in San Francisco a ton. Yeah. Over the years. >> Here's the exact stat. It's uh the since 2020, playoffs included, the EPA, I don't understand these numbers. Special teams uh EPA, the Niners are minus 86.83. They're 30th. Packers are minus 165. So d almost twice as worse. And the Rams are minus 169. >> Means they make a lot of mistakes. >> And it means they're also really good at everything else to cover up for those mistakes.

22:50 >> And it's not a third of the game. But when you make a mistake on special teams, it ends up being a disproportionately costly mistake as opposed to making a mistake as a quarterback. Maybe you throw a pick 25 yards down the field >> because there's only I mean, how many special teams plays are there in a game? There's not there's not nearly as many, you know, compared to offensive and defensive snaps. So, when you have one mistake out of, we'll call it 15, >> it's pretty apparent.

23:14 >> We saw then in the uh national title game, too, college football. >> Yep. Yep. Special teams matter. We're here to tell you special teams matter. >> Mike McDonald, he's there's going to be a lot of stories about Mike McDonald. I saw this stat, too. He is the first head coach to to go to a Super Bowl who never took a snap of college football. >> So, it's the new era of nerd. >> Yeah. He So, Mike McDonald blew out his knee playing high school football and immediately started coaching, which I love that he was that obsessed with football. Yeah, he was that obsessed with football, >> but I think it tracks.

23:47 >> Did you read the story about Mike McDonald and and the way that he spent his week leading up to the Rams game >> not hanging out with his kid? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. He he he said he gets uh he gets about 30 minutes to an hour of personal time with his son Jack in a week and the two barely get to see each other. >> So, how old is his son? >> There was a very funny graphic that said uh it was just Mike McDonald and it said only sees his son for 30 minutes a week.

24:11 >> Yeah. I don't know, >> Dad. >> Yeah. That's so that's not a lot of time. That's that's I would be bummed if I only saw my kids for 30 minutes a week. >> What if you only play golf for 30 minutes a week, Hank? horrible. >> The I did see a followup. >> It doesn't it's nothing. >> I saw doesn't even count a followup to it um from I can't remember. Oh, it was Mitchell Schwarz I think followed up to it. He was like people aren't understanding the NFL week. What he's talking about is >> Monday through Thursday is essentially the full install working endlessly. So yes, he doesn't see him then, but he was like I guarantee you sees him on Friday, Saturday, you know, before the game on Sunday. So, not as bad as it as as the

24:55 quote looked. >> And he also said that the kids most likely the head coach's kids are at the facility too during the week hanging out. >> He's not talking about like, you know, he doesn't spend hours helping them with homework right? >> But he does have them helping around around the facility. That kid's probably getting him coffee, probably helping out. >> Probably some installs. >> There's going to be memories that the kid's going to have for the rest of his life.

25:15 >> Yeah. Yeah. That one was tough though. I I I did see I think he probably regrets that quote because it it felt but Mike McDonald incredible incredible coach. >> His son Hank to answer your question one year old. >> Oh, >> so the kid's not going to remember. >> Doesn't count. >> Kid's not going to remember. >> Yeah, >> that's kids become kids at like twoish like where they'll start when they start walking talking.

25:40 >> Yeah, he's good. >> Yeah, that's more of a problem I would expect for for mom. He's a He's a He's gonna be if the Seahawks win the Super Bowl, he's going to be a a headphones on the field kid. >> That doesn't count. >> Yeah. >> You know, one of those >> memes. Can you explain Can you explain this tweet that you had? >> What What do you have >> about Adam Gase?

26:01 >> By the way, Mike McDonald just just to put a bow on it. Uh his season this year, the Shanahan Oh, no. This was actually last year. He took a He He just kills the Shanahan coaching tree. Like every time he plays him. >> Yeah. He He just brutalizes. >> He's an axe. Yeah. Memes had a had a tweet. Mike McDonald sees his son for 30 minutes a week. They go on a Super Bowl run. >> Adam Gay skips Thanksgiving dinner with his family. The Jets lose 22 to6. Failed to score a touchdown.

26:28 >> Yep. To a winless Bengals team. >> Yeah, that's right. He did skip his Thanksgiving. >> But if you're Adam Gase's family, aren't you kind of happy >> maybe >> that Adam Gase isn't around? >> Maybe >> for Thanksgiving. That seems like a situation you' be like, "Yeah, that's fine." >> Yeah. What's he up to? Maybe next OC for the Eagles.

26:48 >> I don't know. He kind of ran out of ran out of gas after everyone was like, "Oh, so the whole just being OC for Pton Manning was a good career move." >> Yeah. Imagine if Jim Sorgy had gotten into a game. That was probably his his biggest fear, right? Was Pton Manning gets hurt before the AFC Championship game. Yeah. >> Jim Sorggy would have been like, "Actually, I'd retire. >> Badger Legend. >> I'd like to retire on the spot." Okay.

27:09 Should we do we have hot seat cool throne coming up but I think it's time for the list. >> Yeah. >> Unless you guys have anything else. Hank, how you feeling now that it's Tuesday? You feel confident? Are you breaking down game tape? You were correct about the substitutions. I apologize. >> It's okay. >> Greg Olsson and uh Coach Gruden. >> Did you just say never wrong? >> What? >> You're never wrong.

27:31 >> Okay. I was trying to give you I was trying to apologize and be gracious and then you just immediately spit in my face. >> I would also like to be gracious. Uh, I've been thinking about this and and my friend >> PFT over there and I'm I'm worried about him. I would like to give you a chance >> to take like I feel like you might have got pressure too into the double or nothing. >> PFT was the one who actually initially said it. Yeah. Yeah. So, I know you probably thought about it to clear this up to clear this up. Right after the game was over, we talked about it. I said to Max, I'm about to do something really stupid right now. Max, can you confirm?

28:08 >> Yep. >> Confirm. Confirm. >> And I said, "Hank, >> let you want to do double or nothing." And then BigCat was the one that brought it up on the podcast, but but I had made the offer already. >> That the only reason I brought it up is I heard the offer and I heard you be a chicken. And also I donated the $5,000 to Pete Freddy's fund. So if you don't double or nothing, >> did PFT donate a thousand?

28:29 >> No, because I knew that we were going to have a conversation about this. You said we'll have a conversation >> and if you don't if you don't do you'll have to then double my donation. >> I'm not scared of double or nothing. I am more confident than ever. I'm just I'm just giving PFT an opportunity. It's gracious. >> Where's your confidence coming from? I want you guys to to to negotiate. But where's the conf? Is it just Sam Darnold?

28:49 >> No. No. No. This there there there's a few factors. One, I think the defense is underrated. I think that the Seahawks have not played a lot of great offense. Like they haven't played a lot. Like their schedule besides the NFC West, their schedule's not not that crazy either. >> I mean, the the Rams were the best. >> I know, but I'm saying take out the NFC West and look at their schedule. Like there's not any crazy crazy. >> We're doing schedule talk.

29:10 >> Uh it it goes the other way and I was like, let's look at the Seahawks schedule and I'm like this isn't that impressive either. >> You did that with the Broncos, too. Yeah. >> The number one thing though that that it comes back to that I that I've been thinking about because I think Sam Darnold is a lot better. I'm not going to put the Jets stink on him the scene goes even though that is going to get brought up a lot. Mike Vrabel and Josh McDaniels have been here before. They know what it takes and what they have to do in a week going up to in the two weeks leading up to the Super Bowl. They know every single facet of Super Bowl preparation. They are going to have the Patriots more prepared than the Seahawks will. That is that is what it ultimately comes down to. I think I saw the Gruden uh and and Greg

29:50 Olsen clip where they're talking about finding the little edges and how Frael is that good at that. And I think the coaching like experience in these games is going to be a huge factor. That's where my confidence is coming from. >> I agree with that. So I'm looking at their schedule. They played obviously the Niners. They played >> Well, but he said take out the good team. The four good teams they played. Forget about it. >> Okay. So we get the Steelers.

30:16 >> Okay. >> Well, no. They played four games. >> They played the Niners twice and the Rams twice. Take out that. >> Okay. >> Okay. We got >> Take out the good teams. >> We got the Steelers. Good team. Bucks, good team. You guys played the Steelers, right? >> Yeah. >> Did you beat them? >> No. >> Uh, the Jaguars, good team. Texans, Hank, >> everyone's saying that the CJ Trout is horrible. I'm looking at a website right now that has the Seahawks as the fourth hardest schedule in the NFL.

30:42 >> No, but that No, but Max, in defense of that, they didn't take out the four team, the four games they had against >> Fair. The Vikings, not bad. >> Sure. >> The Colts, >> that was Max Bros. Not bad. If >> we're being if we're if we're being >> I'm just trying to skate over it. >> Yeah. Falcons. Falcons. Not bad. >> The Colts not bad. >> The Panthers not bad.

31:05 >> But no, again, I I I didn't look at their >> This one says 15. This one says 15. >> I think that takes I think they had a perfectly normal schedule. >> But that that to answer your question, that is where my confidence is coming from. I think Sam Darl's good. I think like that's a relatively even matchup in terms of the quarterback. I think Drake May is better. He's just a little bit younger. Sam Darl is more experienced. not in these big games or you know supposed to their first Super Bowls.

31:28 >> I think the coaching is is the key. >> You know Mike McDonald's a good coach. >> Did you not listen to anything? I >> I heard some of your things but like Mike >> has Mike McDonald has Mike McDonald won three Super Bowls? Has he been the offensive coordinator for like a hundred? >> No, this is his first Super Bowl. He's he's going through his first Super Bowl. >> Mike Verbel and Josh McDaniels, this is just a walk in the park. They've been here before. They know what they have to do. Mike McDonald has not.

31:52 >> I agree. I agree, Hank. I think the coaching >> so it's not it's always you always it's always gota you always gota I was just asking about >> but I'm happy that our coaches have more experience and your take away from that is you don't think Mike McDonald's a good coach I said you just didn't listen to anything I said >> heck here's why I I I take I take your point and I agree with it that the Patriots definitely have the edge in coaching based on experience >> well you don't think Mike McDonald's a good coach >> but >> wait hold on you can't do this you can't do the I you did your [ __ ] schedule thing and then you said take out the Rams and the and the ners >> I just to take out the Rams. I don't

32:24 even think the Niners are that good. >> Their offense is pretty damn good. >> They scored three points against them, >> right? This What are you talking about? The Seahawks defense is good. >> They're not against the Rams. >> Okay. So, Hank, the the the only part that weakens this point that you're trying to make is last week you did the exact same thing against Shawn Payeyton and against Vance Joseph when you didn't know who the coaches were.

32:47 >> So, I feel like that's your go-to that you keep going back to. >> No, but Super Bowl week. Super Bowl week's different. There's more there's more time in between. There's there's jitters and >> Mike Greyel has not coached in a Super Bowl. >> He's been to three. >> I understand. But he's not coached a Super Bowl. >> Probably been to him more. But he's he knows >> he knows it.

33:04 >> He knows the week. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, I agree with that. >> He understands the uh the schedule >> that part for sure >> and what it takes. Not whatever. >> No, I can't like make a point about everything I say. You guys are like, "You're wrong. You're wrong. You're wrong." I'm not saying you're wrong. You're right. I'm saying >> no [ __ ] He hasn't coached in a Super Bowl.

33:22 Yeah, I was just pointing that out because that that's that is part of it. Coaching a Super Bowl is different than playing a Super Bowl. >> I agree that that the Patriots have the coaching advantage. I agree. >> Breaking news. >> Joe Brady is going to be coach. >> Joe Brady has agreed to terms. He is the Bills head coach. >> Okay. >> I I like it. >> That's That's good. >> I like it. I love Joe Brady. Joe Brady, front of the Joe Brady's been uh >> he's been a guy that we've rooted for since LSU. So, this is >> obviously speaks highly of his relationship with Josh because it felt like Josh Allen was the one that was making this choice for head coach.

34:00 >> Yes, Hank, back to what you're saying. I You're right. I shouldn't have said, do you don't think Mike McDaniel is a good coach? I'm my point was I think Mike McDaniel I don't think the coaching difference is that vast just like I don't think it's Mike Vrabel's going is just so much better of a he's a very very good coach. I think Mike McDonald is a very very good head coach too. I agree. I think it's prep. I think it's just like getting the players ready though. I think like coaching X's and O's they're probably the same. But I think it's again Vable all the players talk about how tight the locker room is, the culture that he's built and all that. It's like I think Vreyel is going to like get all the players in the right mindset.

34:38 >> Sounds like you weren't listening to the story about Cooper Cup and everyone getting uh rallying around the elevator fight. That seems like they're pretty tight. That was a joke. I was trying to lighten the mood because I feel like it's going in a bad direction. >> No, I just It's like it's I'm just defense. I It's like I I It is what it is. This is they us against the world. >> It's not the defense point. You ask me a question, I answer everything you just said is wrong. No, but you bring up arguments to cherrypick and then when I say, "But what about this?" You're like, "Well, no." I >> My argument was that Varel and McDaniels have blended the Super Bowls. You're like, "Mike McDonald, you don't think

35:09 Mike McDonald is a good coach?" Like, >> that I I took that part back, but like the schedule thing where you're like, "Take out the Rams and the Niners." Those are pretty big data points. >> I was just saying that was my observation. >> Okay. >> How about this? >> I'm not a d I'm not like if you take a like stat I wasn't using statistics and data. I was just using my eyeballs. >> How about How about this, Hank?

35:28 >> I looked at their schedule. I was like, "Yeah, take these teams out. That's it isn't as that's who cares. >> Let's let's negotiate. What if I put a $40,000 bet on the Patriots money line in the Super Bowl? When it hits, you get $80,000. Then I keep the rest. I guess that would be the same. >> No. >> Oh, >> okay. >> Why would I do that? Because you just said we could we're doing double or nothing right now.

36:00 >> Yeah, I know. But like that you're just you would win. How much would you win? >> Well, you'd have the you'd have the >> you would just not lose anything. >> No, but you'd have the added luxury of if the Patriots lost if the Patriots won the Super Bowl, it's like I'm I'd be out $40,000 no matter what. >> Wait, no. If the Patriots won the Super Bowl, you would you would have you would have been out. or if the Patriots lose the Super Bowl. In this case, I would I would be out $40,000.

36:27 Whereas, if we did double or nothing on the Super Bowl, I would paid no money. >> If the Patriots win the Super Bowl, you would make $38,000. >> Right. But if they lost the Super Bowl, right now, >> you would have just lost $40,000, not $80,000. >> Yeah. Right now, as we stand, it's double or nothing. Meaning, if the Patriots lose the Super Bowl, I don't pay a single cent. >> Correct. But if the if we do this bet and the Patriots lose the Super Bowl, at least Hank, in your eyes, I would be losing $40,000.

36:57 >> I will. Let's actually Yeah, let's do that. Let's shake on that. >> Okay. >> Oh. >> All right. >> It's been shook on. >> All right. >> Why Why are you smiling? What did you figure out? >> I like if >> Oh, I actually know. I actually agree. I know what you're gonna say and I agree with how you're playing this. >> Now get the clips of PFT is gonna have no choice but to be rooting hard for the Patriots. That'll be fun to look back after the fact and the fact that he's actually putting up 40 grand is like I will feel I won't feel bad taking the money.

37:24 >> 80,000 would be a tricky thing to take from him. >> This is like PFT is it's not he's not losing 80,000. It would be >> No, he's going to lose He now is going to lose either 40,000 or win 38,000. >> Yeah. >> Or I guess he would Yeah. Yeah. Win 38,000. >> I gotta be honest with you, Big Cat. I would I would gladly pay $40,000 for a Patriot Super Bowl loss. That's how I'm looking at it. >> Yeah. No, it's >> that's a great deal. That's just good investment. But >> I can't I I I mean, I'll be at the game, but I can't wait to see how you end up having to root for this.

37:59 >> You do lose the rub it in factor. >> No. >> Yeah, you do. >> We'll see about that. >> I Well, do the initial rub it in factor of like now you owe me $80,000. taking $80,000 cash from PFT is going to be like I I I disagree with that. >> Okay. >> Because now it's not like it's not like hypothetical. It's I feel bad taking it's like >> no, you owe it to me and you better pay right away. Tuesday settle up day.

38:24 >> Yeah. I mean Hank Hank knew that I would have such a hard time taking even $9,000 from him that he just never did it. >> Yeah, >> that's not that's the misremembering like I didn't I didn't I didn't make $5,000 worth of SARS. Like the the debt was $4,000 and then we betted on golf. So it's like it's not like I the I never paid anything. It's just wrong. >> What happened after golf though? >> Then we it was the middle of the season and you said you you said let's wait till Super Bowl.

38:53 >> Did I say that? >> Yeah. You're like I'm going to have to owe you $50,000. >> Oh, okay. I I don't remember saying that, but I trust you. I trust you. I trust you. Hank Hank's never wrong. This is reminding me of memes yesterday when he said uh this it it's going to be a hostile work environment for the next two weeks and we asked him who who's making a hostile. He just said me. >> Yeah, memes is >> it is this is hostile. It's contentious.

39:19 We're not even in San San Francisco yet. Memes put on turn on your mic. >> I haven't said a word. >> Yeah, I know. But you you probably like the hostility. >> I love it. >> Do you want to hop in on the hostility? What were you saying to Hank to make it hostile yesterday? >> Nothing. I I was just >> You were just You were just giving him a blanket statement of, "Hey, buddy, listen. It's going to get hostile." >> Yeah.

39:42 >> Are you nervous at all about that, Hank? And me is not someone you want to have hostile towards you. >> Memes has never not been hostile towards you. >> That's true, actually. But what if he gets extra hostile? >> I'm not worried about it. I won't hear him. I won't hear it. >> Here's here's what was memes. Memes is extra hostile. Like, I know memes talks trash on me behind my back 24/7. So this is not there's not like extra hours. You can't add on to 24/7. So it doesn't really change anything.

40:08 >> That is true. When we go when when when this side of the desk >> I walk in all the time and you guys are just sitting around our corner just talking about me. >> When this side of the desk goes at you uh you we're not talking [ __ ] when we leave the studio. That side of the the booth is staying silent and then when we walk out they're like [ __ ] Hank >> or or their mics are just off. Memes is memes is mumbling under his breath. >> That's true.

40:31 We're saying it to your face. You might >> I say plenty of [ __ ] >> Can you do me a favor? Can we do Yeah, you do. Can we do like full immunity? Okay. Full immunity. You have full immunity. This is like international waters. You cannot be You cannot be charged for any crimes or anything you're going to say. I would appreciate if you just took all your thoughts for the next 10 days and wrote them down. And then on the Friday before the Super Bowl, we could just do a memes log.

40:59 >> Done. >> Okay. Love that. Just every mean thought you think of and we'll just dump them all out on the Friday before Super Bowl. >> I love it. I did think about when you guys went to the car show yesterday just breaking his lefty clubs. >> I didn't That's perfect for the memes log. I didn't do it. >> Yeah, write that down on the memes log. Things you thing any any thought and you cannot be you cannot be held accountable for any of it. Okay, let's do uh let's do that was a simple question of how you feel, Hank, that we've we got all the way here.

41:33 Okay. Uh late breaking news. I have already left the office, but we thought we had to talk about it because Bill Polian has kept Bill Bich out of the Hall of Fame as a first ballot hall of famer in one of the biggest hater moves of all time. We we don't know who's made the Hall of Fame yet and who hasn't, but the news was that Bellich did not receive the necessary votes. This is a disaster for all Patriots haters. You might think, Bill, Bill Poland, you think you've won the battle. You lost the war, buddy. Because this is exactly how the next two weeks play out. New England Patriots fans have a just deserved cause to feel like it's us against the world. Nobody likes us. And guess what? You can't argue with them about this point. No one believes in the Patriots. Hank, you got your wish. It feels like the Patriots going to win the Super Bowl off this news. But this is

42:24 it's a it's a travesty. It's mockery. It's a Travis Shay mockery. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, well, go ahead, Hank. What What are you What are your thoughts? >> I'm me and PFT were doing some research earlier. I need to know because it wasn't obviously it wasn't Bill Polland was the one lobbying for this, but there was other voters. Like who are these voters >> there? There so >> how are they NFL voters? >> There's 50 voters in the room. You need 40 out of 50 to become a first ballot hall of famer. I said right away, this needs to be televised because whoever like guys got to stand behind their votes and and actually like stand up there in front of the camera and say this is why I'm not voting and and yeah, PFD there's an angle for the Super Bowl,

43:06 but I think it's obviously the bigger angle is if there's not a whatever you feel about Bill Bich. If there's not the definition of a hall first ballot hall of famer, a quintessential hall of famer, it's Bill Bich. The guy has six Super Bowls as a head coach. another what two for the Giants and like it it what it does is Bill Poland has basically made a joke of the Hall of Fame because the Hall of Fame looks really stupid being like yeah Bill Bichc's not a first round Hall of Famer.

43:34 It's like that one guy who voted against Derek Jeter. It was the dumbest thing ever when that happened. You just basically make a mockery of your entire institution like you hate him but you've now made made it all look stupid for what? It also makes the Robert Craft even more blatant where it's like Robert Craft, Jerry Jones is in the Hall of Fame and Robert Craft has, you know, way more success in a way more recent time than than Jerry Jones. And so, Bill Bich not getting into is like it's clearly just the NFL against the Patriots.

44:04 >> What What is the day what is the day of the induction ceremony this year? Patriots fans would not I could not blame them for doing a January 6th at Canton the day before the induction cere Patriots probably led by people in this very office maybe our our return to the NFL's good graces might be shortlived because I would say early August there there's going to be a ruckus and it's well deserved even like yes you could Hank you could accuse me of hating the Patriots or wishing I don't hate the Patriots I just I think you've had enough success which is why I root against you in many cases this season.

44:39 But it's ridiculous that Bill Bich is not a first ballot hall of famer. And it's ridiculous that Bill Poland did this seeming seemingly out of spite that he tried to rally the voices just because he's mad that he was the GM for the Bills and the Colts and they kicked the [ __ ] out of him for years and he's tried to hold him down for a long time. And we do need to see what the votes are in that. >> Who are these sheep? It's the It's who like Bill Bullan. Yeah, he's a salty whatever. But who are the people that heard what he said and said, "You know what? You're right." >> Yeah, >> you're you're right. Hey, because it's more than just him, but he obviously is the ring leader. It's crazy, too, because it's the most short-sighted

45:15 move, I think, in the history of of like spite moves because Bill Poland has united all of sports media behind Bill Bich. This is like his glow up is is now back where everyone's like, "This makes no sense." And Bill Poland, you look like the saltiest. I if you had to do one spin zone for Bill Polon hater of the year and like waiting this long that is like a hatt tip move but other than that Bill Polon now looks like a joke and his legacy is a joke. >> Now if you found out that Jordana was behind this and she told Bill Polon to do this against Bill knowing that there would be backlash against Bill Poland and pro Bill Bich I would say PR move of the century for her >> easily easily entire stories from Jordan. Oh yeah, set alerts. Her next Instagram story is going to be a [ __ ] banger.

46:05 >> Yeah, like I I agree though, Hank. We need to get these names. I I I don't know why it's the league that televises everything. We have made the NFL draft an entire circus. The combine, we watch guys run around in in like tight shorts. They they have a night to release the schedule in late May. give us a Hall of Fame vote on television and let us see it. Let us because like tell me that wouldn't do great ratings and it also would be interesting to see everyone state their case because all I understand from the Hall of Fame voting is 50 dudes who sit in a room in a hotel lobby and they argue back and forth and like every single person has their own bias and they lay their bias out there and they all just go back and forth and then we get it's spit out in a shfter tweet saying these guys got in, these guys didn't. Yeah, it's uh the the issue is

47:00 it's the Pro Football Hall of Fame, not the NFL Hall of Fame. So, the the writers and everybody would have to agree to that. Not like the NFL could although I'm sure the NFL could say, "Hey, we need to televise this and probably strongarm them into doing that." Um, they did reach Peter King for comment because he retired from the committee. Peter King walked away from the committee. So, he's saying like, "It's not on me because I'm not voting anymore. Peter, you could have stuck around. If you had stuck around, maybe you put a stop to this." Uh, he said, quote, "Holy f" dash dash dash. I'm not sure what word he used. Could have been holy fart. Could have been the other bad f word. Or it could have been [ __ ] I'm very, very surprised. A lot of things happened in that room that are

47:44 unexpected. And of course, this is a big surprise to me. It's It's ridiculous. I If Robert Craft gets in and Bich doesn't, >> I have some breaking moves. Breaking news. >> Shador Shador Sanders was a pro bowler before Bill Bich became a Hall of Famer. >> Yep. Catch your tickets. >> Hungry dog. >> Matt, >> breaking moose. >> Vet Verame I'm going to go with is how you pronounce his name? Uh, writes for SI said, "I just spoke on the phone with Bill Poland. Asked whether he was an influence on Bill Bich being snubbed by the Hall of Fame. His quote, that's totally and categorically untrue. I voted for him." >> Oh.

48:20 >> Oh. >> The plot thickens. Either Bill Poland is the biggest coward in the world or there's a deep state plot to undermine Bill Poland. >> Bill Polian. Bill Poland. Read that statement again. >> I just spoke on the phone with Bill Poland and asked whether he was an influence on Bill Bich being snubbed by the Hall of Fame. His quote that's totally and categorically untrue. I voted for him. >> So that was really smart by Bill Polland. He lobbed against Bill Bich and then voted for him. like, "Hey, it wasn't me." >> Or I thought of another possibility.

48:56 Could this have been led by somebody from Robert Craft's camp for Craft to get in and then he pins it on Bill Polon? >> Yeah, >> that would be >> I don't know. The plot does thicken. We got We got to get the names. We got to get the names. >> I want people in that room. >> This This is one of those >> Need people in the room. >> Speak up. Need people in the room. >> Need Ne. We Hey, you can anyone who wants to an who's in the room who wants to anonymously hit up pardon my take.

49:25 Zack, what's your email.com? >> Say it again one more time. >> That was bad. That was a mistake. That was a mistake. Zack, >> you get hit by so many people. Zack, we will hit up Zack if you were in the room. Zach will read all the people who hit him up and were in the room on Friday's show. >> Uh pmtbacherpartgmail.com. >> Okay. pmt bachelorp party@gmail.com that will use that email. We'll bleep out Zach's email. >> Okay, smart. But we need to know the real story.

49:54 >> We need we will get we we will we will Zach will go through all the emails and he will find the people in that room. It's crazy. It also big picture it's like um it's one of those situations that uh everyone's going to get really mad about for like 12 hours and then we're going to forget about it and then he's going to be in the Hall of Fame next year. Well, yeah, but this is like an actual piece of damage that you can do to Bill Bichc because he is correct.

50:19 He's not a first ballot. >> He's such like a football guy and he cares deeply about things like the football hall of fame that this is a way that you can hurt him by not making him a first ballot hall of famer. So, whoever did it, I guess I guess good job in figuring out a way to hurt your nemesis, >> but this >> be very careful. It does feel like we're all now like rooting for Bill Bich. >> As you should. >> That's what I'm saying. as you showed as football guys, >> the internet has has decided the guy who who everyone hated forever is now they're like, "Hey, he's he's the victim here." Which he is. I mean, it's crazy.

50:52 It just it is it's the the Hall of Fame should stand as it's it's our same argument that we make every single year about the baseball hall of fame that Barry Bond should be in. It's a joke to have a Hall of Fame and not have the best baseball player on. It's a joke to have a Hall of Fame and not have the best coach of all time in. Like, this is a joke. This the the Hall of Fame is a complete joke now. So, Bill Poland or maybe not Bill Poland. Um, you [ __ ] it up. We got to find out who's in that room. Hank, you got to get some digging.

51:22 >> I'm I'm I'm on it. >> You are. >> Yes. Yeah. >> Okay. What was the hesitation? >> I'm just in, you know, I'm on it. >> Hank, what are the odds that the Brady Four ride together again? and the Bellich check for hi. >> I'd say hi. >> Can I can I throw out a hypothetical to you Hank? >> Yes. >> Saturday, let's say like 12:30. You're at Whole 8 at Spy Glassass and you get a text >> and someone says, "Hey, >> I'm a trusted source. I have all the information. Call me right now. It's going to take about 45 minutes to break it all down, but you can report it first on Pardon my take." Yeah, we'll catch up on hole catch up on hole 11.

52:12 >> This is a business trip for Hank. >> That's [ __ ] huge, Hank. Yeah. So, >> it'll be good for the video. >> But wait, Hank, but this would be >> that we're filming. >> But we're going to be working. So, you'd say that you'd stop working on Saturday. >> I I would take you take a personal phone call. >> Yeah, I would. This >> Bill Bich and the Patriots, Tom Brady, whatever you want to call it, that it goes above work. That's like my family.

52:34 When people are like family comes first like >> above your golf family all the holes. >> Yes. This is my this these >> So you so you would throw your kids to the side. >> I don't have kids. These aren't my >> Well, your golf holes. >> Oh yeah. You're the new Mike McDonald. >> I would kick the kids away. >> Yeah. I only see my I only see my 13th hole for 30 minutes a week. >> Yeah. All right. So So what what's the email again? Max >> PMT Bachelor. Ah, I think it's PMTBacherparty.comgmail.com.

53:06 >> No one said it was easy being journalist. You got to part of part of being a journalist is the people who want to anonymously tip us, they have to figure it out. >> Or you can just DM the part of my take accounts. >> Yeah. Give us the inside scoop. Tell us who and Zach will will will give us his findings on Friday's show. >> And we will keep you anonymous if you wish to remain >> And if you wish to not re remain anonymous, we will shout out your your Twitter and Instagram handle.

53:30 >> Yep. Oh, found it. What? >> Yeah. No, I was right. PMT bachelorp party@gmail.com. >> Nice. >> What? Hank. >> Nailed it. >> Hank, what? >> It's gonna be a lot. It's gonna be a lot. >> Well, we want to know. >> No, no, we're going to get a lot of tips. >> We're willing to go through all the all the fake sources and fake tips if it means that we get the good one.

53:48 >> Yeah, we're >> This is important journalism. I think we can do it. >> Hank, you don't seem like you're bought in. >> Can I give you some advice? >> You guys do your thing. I'll do my thing. I >> Okay, what thing are you doing? having P our fans just email whoever's going through that's going through hell. >> What thing are you doing? >> What? PMT bachelorp party@gmail.com.

54:06 >> Yeah, >> that's hell. Zack's >> That is hell. Dude, >> that's hell. >> Zack, look at Zack. Zack, are you ready for this? >> Journalism got a journal. >> Yep. >> Yes. >> Yep. And listen, I'm gonna ask respectfully, don't email the fake scoops. No matter what, if you have a fake scoop, do not email Zach. He's gonna get very confused if you do. So, please only 100% authentic scoops coming through that pipeline.

54:33 >> Let me just throw in one more thing. Authentic scoops and titties. That's it. Yep. >> We will not accept anything else. If you want to send Zack some titties, you can do that. But authentic scoops as well. >> Completely fine. Yeah. Hey, >> and you you got to put a deadline. You got to put a deadline. Like they need to make this right by this day. >> I think they will. I think they're going to have to reverse this. >> Give them a deadline.

54:56 by by Monday. They got to get it's gota it's got to be done before media day or or else. Yeah. Yeah. >> Or else. Okay. All right. Let's get back to uh we're going to do an ad and then we'll get to Zach's list. DraftKings, get cozy cuz DraftKings Casino is turning up the heat this winter. Play more than 1,000 slots. Everything from classics like Cash Eruption to exclusives like Fire Buffalo. New players can wager $5, get 500 spins over 10 days on your choice of cash eruption slots. Download the DraftKings Casino app, sign up with code take, and start spinning. The crown is yours in partnership with DraftKings Casino.

55:35 Download the DraftKings Casino app, sign up with code take and start spinning. The crown is yours in partnership with DraftKings Casino. Okay. So, what we're going to do here, Zack, just to refresh everyone, Zach lost the P picks competition, the year-long best bets pick competition. He has to do a stream for the AWL's on our YouTube for 36 hours. We're going to probably do it sometime, I would guess if we had to pick a week, it's probably going to be two weeks after the Super Bowl, like the third week in February, somewhere in there. We we'll we'll figure out exactly. He's going to do 36-hour stream. Max has to join him for 18 hours. He has created a list that I've told him no bad ideas. We will not be judging bad ideas. Max actually did say he said yes, bad ideas. I will be judging bad ideas.

56:28 >> No, I'm I'm going to be supportive. >> Okay. I to be fair, I think that Max is being treated very poorly because he finished in second place and we never make the second place person do a punishment and for some reason we're just singling Max out. That's not true. It's just funny that last year we decided not to. It's not true. It's not. Okay. Sorry. I'm just saying it's funny that last year last year we had five people. Max is right.

56:47 >> Well, you everyone keeps saying that like someone doesn't finish in second place with five people. >> But it's like five people. It's >> what it's odd number. No one finishes in second. >> Do you understand? I finished like 10 games above 500 in this game in this picks competition. >> Max is right. It's fair. And I'm And I'm And after we abolished the second place thing last year, we're bringing it back because you abolished.

57:10 >> You wanted to be the NBA where like like half the league makes the playoffs. >> Abolished. >> We abolished it. >> We abolished. >> You wanted You want me to use a different word? It was accurate. It was an accurate word. We abolished it. >> Abolish is a great word. >> Okay. So, >> but I'm going to be supportive. I'm supportive. I'm happy. >> All right. So, Zach's idea is we we we teased it on Sunday. He the first idea was run a 10K inside the booth which how many how how many times back and forth did we say it was?

57:37 >> I think it's about 12,000 times back and forth. >> I love that idea. >> I might have done the math wrong on that. >> I love it. >> But it's thousands of times back. Your mic's not on. >> It's a bad idea. >> No, it's not. It's an early idea. We're one for one. >> Yeah, >> this this list is so The streams are so many weeks away. This list is so early.

57:52 There's going to be some fun ideas, some terrible ideas, and we move from here. We also >> you guys can also like it can be you do 5K, Max does 5K. >> Yeah, right. I'll chip in a K. >> Yeah, same. >> I'll do 1K. >> That a lot of K's thrown around. >> Yeah, we got >> I'll do a K. >> It is a little bit >> We got 3Ks over here. >> The square footage of this.

58:17 >> I will say >> coffee with content cam. >> What do you got? Uh the square footage of the booth is a little smaller than I was writing this list outside of the studio. In my head, the booth seemed a little bit bigger. When you like stand in here and think about it, it is tiny. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Well, there's no bad ideas. And I also want do >> I mean I watched that guy do a 10K on a dishwasher the other day. So it's awesome.

58:38 >> Wait, what? >> It's like a guy on Instagram. He does he that's his whole thing is like running 10ks. >> 10k anywhere. >> He run he ran a 10K on a toilet. >> How? >> Just circling it. How big? >> Oh, running around it. >> Yeah. How big is this guy? >> So that's not on a toilet. >> He's running around. >> No, no, no, no. On the seat. Standing on the seat. Like his his he was like it was like I think he did a a post ranking the worst ones he had to do and he was like toilet was the worst cuz they kept slipping in.

59:06 >> Oh, that's incredible. Okay. So, Zach, I also think that everyone here who's not uh Max or Zach, we should all volunteer to maybe do one of these ideas because we do want we will help out with the stream. We'll be involved. >> And who knows, maybe we maybe pivot different ideas and add ideas later. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Uh the first one I have on here is a a spooky booth. Uh Max and Zach play with a Ouija board >> in the booth.

59:34 >> Spooky booth. >> I like that. >> You know that we're not doing this stream in in the booth. No, he doesn't. We >> We're We are making you a streaming setup inside of the studio. That would felt like >> But we're two for two on booth things where the stream is not being held. >> Spooky studio does not hit like spooky booth. >> Is that's just a coincidence. Yeah. Like there's a >> I just want to like we're we're making you a setup for like your streams going forward and this is going to be the first one of that >> and that is not in this booth.

1:00:05 >> I love spooky. I'm just let I'm just letting you know. >> Okay. >> It was booth coincidence. That's on me. We're going to do what? >> Simple booth coincidence. >> I was also thinking uh you know maybe me and Max try to be chained together which is a game they have on Steam. That could be fun. >> What do you what you just chain each other together? >> We're chained. So in the game you're chained together and you try to climb this like big you try to you go from like hell to heaven and you you climb just a bunch of structures. It >> great idea. That's a great idea.

1:00:31 >> I think that could be fun. Yeah. >> How how does the booth come into that one? That one was uh besides booth. >> Okay. Okay. >> Can we chain you guys together in real life? >> Yes, we will be chained together until we finish chain. Yes. >> Okay. >> That's entertaining to the viewers. That That's good. >> Oh, it's called the co-op game from hell. So, it's really hard. >> It's pretty difficult.

1:00:53 >> Okay. >> It's funny. >> It's good. That's a good idea. >> We talked about the 10K. We'll skip that. Uh I got a week one time capsule. Uh me and Max make a couple picks for next week one NFL season. and we bury them in the ground and then week one next year we dig them up. >> I love it. >> But there's two lists so we don't know which list goes in the ground. >> How do you do that on the stream?

1:01:13 >> Wait, what do you mean there's two lists and you don't know which one goes in the ground? >> We we make two list of picks and they get shuffled and so we don't know which list is in the capsule. >> Are these like futures for next year or is this week one plays because we will not know the schedule. >> This is an early development. Got it. >> Just a brain dump just good. No, I like it. You're good. Uh >> what if you just pick all your games for next year against a spread?

1:01:39 You just say a team >> just whatever because I guess >> whatever their spread is >> and then we find it. No, no, just like you can just be like the Bears week two. >> Yeah. >> And then whatever their closing line is. >> Okay. >> That's what you get. >> I I kind of like that. I kind of like that. >> Okay. >> Or like on Thursday when we tape the show, that's the line that we use.

1:01:58 >> Yeah. Well, no, but this is No, it's like you just you just we look at at the end of the year and it's like whatever their closing line is, see how you did. >> Okay. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> This next one is Itch Golf. See the It would be the opposite of Scratch Golf. Uh Max and Jack compete in 18 holes on the PlayStation. Uh I think that could be fun. >> Where's the itch come in? >> It's the opposite of scratch golf because we're bad golfers.

1:02:21 >> You guys should do uh scratch and itch though. >> I think there should be an itch. There should be an itch inch. >> Yeah. I think there's going to be like itching powder in your pants. Yeah, like you itching while you're golfing. >> That wasn't on here. >> What about What about Zach? We golf on the big screen. >> We golf big screen could play as well. >> There's a couple different We got PlayStation big screen. We got the alternate reality golf in with the the golf cave. We got a couple different golf options.

1:02:43 >> Okay. Idea. >> Yeah. We're not going to do it like the last time where you guys are locked in a room. You guys can use any space. We're going to make it good for the viewer. >> We got to figure out something to make you itchy though. >> Yeah. I think the itch part >> We should just play real golf then. They're like in the simulator. Zach and I are the world golfers in this. >> But you got to be itchy. >> You guys should You guys should play golf as a scramble till you get a par.

1:03:06 >> They'd get a par. >> No, we would. >> Depending on how itchy. >> I think we're I think >> But that would be the problem. >> No, Birdie, I think, would be the That would be the >> I think Zach and Maxo are are kind of losing the whole We got to figure out the itchy part. >> The itchy part is Scratch golfers are good golfers. We're a bad golfer, >> right? You got to be itchy.

1:03:28 >> Yeah, we got to do something. >> Maybe every time we don't get We have to put a little bit of itchy powder. >> Ooh. What about What about shirts off? >> Nope. >> We're going to stop you right there. >> I'm going to stop you right there. >> No, no, no. But it just shirts off. You guys golf on the simulator. We get a giant feather. So, while one of you is hitting, the other one is tickling the other one on the small of the back with the feather.

1:03:53 >> That's tickle golf. >> It's golf. Oh, that's tickle golf. What about this? You guys >> got the rules to tickle golf. >> You guys get a haircut like an hour before and you don't take your shirt off. You don't take a shower. You'll be itchy by the time >> Yeah. No, that does suck. >> Yeah. Okay. >> Hey, we wear a lot of Velcro. >> Yep. >> Sure.

1:04:08 >> I don't know. >> Yeah. Uh I got another one on here. It's uh who's going to carry the balloons? Uh that's running back the balloon up game, but we wear weighted vest to make it >> Oh, little bit different. >> I love that. So, keep up. But you have weighted vests on. >> But we're weighted vest. So like >> Yeah. After a while, I feel like I could get >> Definitely. That's good. That's good. I thought for >> Would it be vests or would it be the the wrist the wrist weight?

1:04:34 >> I think Yeah, you could do both though cuz like moving around in a weighted vest gets tiring. >> Yeah, >> we just weight you guys up. >> I thought they were talking about like wearing weighted vests and having a bunch of helium balloons and then just trying to stay on the ground. >> Yeah, >> like an up. >> How long do you think you could keep? There's not a I don't think a hot air balloon would would keep me.

1:04:53 >> If we did a balloon in this studio and one of you was blindfold, the other one had to tell him when to hit. How long do you think you keep it in the air? >> I think I actually I like that. That could be fun. That could be fun. >> Mhm. >> I can add that one. That that would be a good time. >> Okay. >> Uh this next one is uh Sleeptight Saquon. Max and Zach writing eagle's bedtime story. >> Could be huge. >> Yes. Done.

1:05:14 >> I like that one. Sleep tight. Saquon is a great That's >> I need it. I need it. >> Next one's got place your raids. >> Yeah. >> Okay. >> Also, Zach has I'm in for that. >> I'm I'm going to I'm going to hop in on Sleep Tight. Seaquan. Zach has to write it out without using spell check. >> Yes. >> Mhm. >> Yes. Um Max, you're you're an artist, right? You draw.

1:05:36 >> Nope. >> You should you should illustrate it. >> Can I have Can I have uh one change on the charades >> booth? Definitely. >> Okay. All right. That feels like a perfect booth activity. Booth. Booth charades where one of you's in the booth and the other one's out here so you can't hear them. >> So it transcends booth because you can Yeah that >> you can't cheat. Yeah, >> this studio might be set up for charades.

1:05:58 >> Yeah, this might be a perfect charades. We We might have built a charades arena without knowing it. >> I've got a goop goop goop on here, which is a teacher Max. Me and Max playing Arc Raiders. >> Oh, okay. Nice. >> That's That's middle That's good for like middle of the night. You can slot that in. >> Yeah, people are going to I mean, people are going to want to see that. >> Yeah. So, that's 10 hours.

1:06:18 >> Goop, goop, goop. >> This one's bad. We can toss it. It's uh It's called a hot brush. It's kind of like wine and paint, but we drink hot hot sauce. >> Bad idea. >> What's the wine and paint part? >> A lot of girl, a lot of ladies do wine and paint. So, they paint photo, they paint murals and drink wine. We would be painting murals and >> Oh, terrible idea. >> I like that. No, I like that idea.

1:06:39 >> Yeah. It's like hot oil. >> Hot ones with art. with our painting >> and just hot sauce >> and just drinking hot sauce >> and no question. >> Our [ __ ] >> May maybe maybe we get Sean Evans to stop by. >> Can I Can I go off of that? What about wine and paint and you guys paint but the whole time you just whine about [ __ ] >> Like oh my Oh, this [ __ ] stream stinks. >> I could do that. I'll be funny. We abolish second place. This is [ __ ] >> Oh, they're going to get rid of the tush push.

1:07:08 They're going to make me take off my shirt for >> No, they're going to keep the touch push now because the Eagles are bad at it now. Now they're going to keep it. >> But wine and paint would be good where you just whine the whole time. >> That That could be fun. And you get some stuff off your chest. You know, you kind of just like It's good to vent. >> Yeah. >> Uh this next one is a karaoke. It's uh >> Yes.

1:07:28 >> Sold. Yeah. You don't need to go You don't need to go any further. >> Is it Is it Can I guess on what it is? >> Yeah. >> Singing and making eggs. >> Uh no. >> Oh yolk. Yeah. I like >> I like I like making eggs though. That could be a lot of fun. >> Okay, >> that's better than this. This is This pales in comparison. >> Okay, so what is this? >> This is just uh me and Max do karaoke, but as we're trying to sing karaoke, we have to finish a you'll play yogurt.

1:07:49 >> Oh, okay. >> That idea. >> No, I love that. >> Are we eating yogurt while you karaoke? >> What about you? Yo-yo. >> Yo-yos. One of you eats the yogurt. >> Yo squared. What about >> you got to get through an entire song keeping the yo-yo alive >> while the other person feeds them yo yo play >> triple yo >> yeah triple yo >> these are so much better than these are so much better than the 10k that you started with >> no 10k is great we're doing the 10k okay keep going >> uh Max and Zach checkers rematch that's just that's personal >> I didn't know there was a first game >> there was and Max smoked me and I want I want my >> we also we also Didn't

1:08:31 >> you guys supposed to be three rows of checkers? >> That's not checkers. >> We did. There's supposed to be three rows of checkers. We only did two rows of checkers. >> People also said Zack threw the game. >> I think he I it was early on in Zack and I think he was beating me and then all of a sudden >> I think he lost on purpose. >> He didn't want to big dog you. >> Correct. >> Is it possible to actually play chess against checkers?

1:08:54 >> I don't think so. >> Like one guy gets checkers pieces, one guy gets chess pieces. I don't think so. >> Okay. >> Okay. >> No, because the bishops are on different colors, so that wouldn't work. >> Yeah, that's it. >> Yep. >> What if you play >> and also everything? >> What if you play the goal of the game, the >> all parts of it?

1:09:12 >> But it would be funny to watch you guys figure. >> What if you play chess using the checkers pieces and then everyone in the chat will be like, "It's checkers." And then you guys can be like, "It's chess, not checkers." And you have to just announce what what what your like you you move it and you're like that was my horse. >> I like that. >> Every piece would just be your queen. >> Yeah.

1:09:37 >> Okay, we'll figure that one out. >> This next one is part of my anti pasta max appetizers. >> Love it. >> That was just a lunch break. >> Just >> Yep. >> Hell that that's a good one. That >> we should get the slicer going. Yeah, we can do that. >> We should get the slicer going for it. >> That's a great one. >> This next one is memo men. Uh we see who can cover themselves in post-it notes quicker.

1:10:07 >> That's great. >> Okay, >> yoga with an instructor. >> Yeah, maybe get a little loose, you know. >> Oh, know an instructor. >> There's got to be tons. I Some guys know, some I Yeah, there's We got instructors. Okay. Do you have one you could maybe text? >> Uh, yeah. Yeah. Guys, no instructors. Yeah. All sorts of guys. >> What's the last text? >> I I don't know. I got to I'd have to check.

1:10:35 >> It's been a while. >> Uh, are you are you smarter than a fifth grader? But we go until we graduate high school. >> Okay. >> I've got uh hiring a drill instructor for boot camp, but it's memes. >> Oh, like that. >> Max and Zach competing cup stacking. >> Okay. >> Uh, Puff Man. So you can complete a Pac-Man maze quicker, but it's uh cheese puffs. >> Wait, talk me through that one real quick.

1:10:59 >> You just I was you duct tape a small maze on the ground and you >> eat it yourself. >> You try to Pac-Man it. Yeah. >> Oh, I love that. >> That one's tough, but could be fun. >> You guys are Pac-Man? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. >> Okay. Love that. >> This next one is uh sassy Lego. So, we're going to try to build a Lego set with acrylic nails on. >> THAT'S GOT TO BE DONE.

1:11:18 >> SASSY. SASSY LEGO. LEGO. >> Sassy Lego is good. Sassy Lego. I like >> the winner. I might sign up for Sassy Lego with the boys. >> Oh, [ __ ] >> Maybe a breaking the world record for most t-shirts worn at once. >> Okay. >> I've got uh that's got to be >> we would need we would need some big t-shirts. >> It's also like I bet you that record is like 800 or something.

1:11:42 >> And it has to be from a very small person. Final boss is just grab one of Colton shirts. Yeah, >> we do know a guy with the biggest shirts. >> We do. He has the biggest shirts. >> We've got uh what's what's my bad skipped? Uh boom boom boom boom. This one is called silent socks. While blindfolded, you have to put on a sock filled with something and guess what it is. >> That's a great idea. >> I can tell whether or not these these ideas are good or not just by the names, by the way. Like Zach's got some banger names. Yeah, >> I haven't I don't have the name for it and I also don't I don't know how they would work visually on on the stream, but I've always had an a competition idea of of trying to plug in something

1:12:25 in the darkness. >> Ooh, I like that. I also this this silence sucks >> like you're in a dark room >> and whoever >> How would that look visually? >> That's what Yeah, that I I I did preface it with that. But >> can we just blindfold? We could just be blind. True. Glow stakes. I also do you guys ever watch the videos of it's like Chinese guys in a room together and they have the um the rubber ducks taped to their feet and one of them's blindfold and has a belt and if you move they whip each other. We should play around with that.

1:12:57 >> Okay. >> I that that I think we should all do cuz it is very funny. So like you like everyone's just silently like crouching and then if you move a little bit the the duck goes and then he just turns around and tries to whip you. >> Okay. I like the I like the socks idea though. That's a winner. Yeah, for sure. >> I've only got two more on here. Uh last couple is the one of them is just giving the pimp mats a real attempt, you know, just trying to really become more aligned zen relaxed.

1:13:24 >> Okay, the mats. Yeah. >> And then the last one is brisket boys, which would just be everybody enjoying brisket sandwiches. >> Love that. Brisket Boys might be the conclusion of the whole stream. >> Yeah. And well, the pasta. Yeah, that goes >> Yeah. No, but the last hour being Brisket Boys, we all join >> and we just do Brisket Boys. >> So hopefully we can build from there, but a couple couple could play. >> Zack, you're a big brisket fan.

1:13:48 >> Uh, I would Yeah, I would say. So, >> Max, what if you smoke some meats? You have a lot of time. You could just make You could start the brisket when the stream starts, so the end of the stream is >> I could try I could try and do that. That could be fun. >> That would be really fun. >> Bread. I'm I could bring in I could bring in Chef Diesel. the bread boys could get could make some bread and some brisketss. Brisket sandwiches. >> That would be good. Sounds like a great stream. I'm excited.

1:14:12 >> I'm glad that Max agreed to do second place. >> Mhm. >> Yeah. No, I'm I'm I'm excited. I'm excited. I think the I think the people will like it. It'll be good. >> It's going to be great. And I'm I like I said, I'm already signed up for I I gave you a K, so I'm in for a K. And I'm definitely in for Sassy Legos. >> Awesome. >> It's going to be hard.

1:14:34 So, Legos, have you guys When was the last time you guys legoed? >> They're sneaky hard. Fully equipped. >> I do it with my son sometimes. He asked me for help and I'm just like, I don't think I got it. >> I'm excited about Puff Man. >> What was Puff Man again? >> Pac-Man. >> Oh, yeah. >> We call it something Puff Daddy maybe. >> And also Itchy Golf with you guys having your shirts off.

1:14:55 >> Well, that we're going to workshop that one. >> We'll workshop it. But >> yeah. >> Oh, huge gigantic feather. >> Oversized feather. as you swing. >> This is great that you did this, Zach, because now for all the people that need to know of the tech and everything. We're just going to send him what what you said. >> Figure this out. >> Yeah. Figure this how can we how can we do all of this?

1:15:17 >> Decipher this. Okay, let's do Hotse Cool Throne. Then we have DeAndre Hopkins on the show and we'll finish off with FAQs. Hut seat cool Throne is brought to you by Pizza Hut. Big games this weekend. And here's the move. The big New Yorker. It's Pizza Hut's biggest pizza for the biggest games. The Big New Yorker is massive and it's just 10 bucks. Order The Big New Yorker ahead of the game. 10 bucks for a limited time. Don't forget to pizza before the Hut at Hut.com or in the app. Listen, we all know weekends Pizza Hut. Big New Yorker. Big games. Pizza Hut.com. Go order it right now. Pizza Hut.com or in the app. Hey, what's your hut seat? Cool throw. My hut hut hut seat is uh it's it's it was Alex Hall. I think it's more just pocket walk watchers.

1:16:04 >> Okay. >> Uh cuz people are mad or upset surprised that Alex Honold only got paid 500k for doing his climb. But there was >> Why? >> Because I don't know. I think they see Jake Paul gets like 100 million. It was a big event. Everyone was talking about it. He probably could have got more. But in an article he he was he said I think it's just Alex Honold. This is just how he is. He said like I would have done it for free as if the build if the building let me I would have done it for free.

1:16:32 >> Right. >> He's he doesn't seem like a guy who's got uh a ton of expenses. >> No. >> Yeah. >> And yeah, it's definitely it was a huge event. It was probably one of the most talked about things of the weekend besides, you know, the playoffs. Probably had hundreds of millions of viewers. But that's just that's just how he is. Like that's it. again. And it's like he would have he said it's tough to negotiate when you're like they probably went to the tables like can I do this?

1:16:58 They're like yeah we can get you the clearance. He's like okay >> what would it take for you >> like oh I'm getting paid. >> What would it take for you to attempt this? >> Also other hot seat would be there they're there's a couple videos I saw cuz I you know was watching videos it got on my algorithm and there was there's videos of now people in Taiwan like starting to try to do it on that tower. >> Bad idea. Very bad idea.

1:17:20 >> But no one can make it. No one can make it one story. >> I guess the only argument that you can make against Alex Hnold would be like other people that do free solo, he's kind of set the market right now for all their attempts. >> I have I don't think people shouldn't be free soloing. >> Agreed. >> No. Agreed. I have a question though. >> If he slipped and died, would they have kept it live? >> No. They had a 10-second delay.

1:17:42 >> Okay. So, then I'm out on this whole thing. It's like the Wendas. And I know that's very [ __ ] up of me, but I also I can't watch something without knowing there's actually a fear or or a a world where someone could die. >> Counterpoint. >> Yeah, >> that would have been nuts if if the if the if you're watching live and it just cuts out, it's like, "Oh my god, something just happened." And then you would there would be videos that came out. Like you would still get that like, "Holy [ __ ] something just happened." It should have been 500,000 if you make it and then like 3 million if you die.

1:18:16 goes to your family. >> He could just slip, right? >> But he didn't. But he obviously wasn't trying to die. It would have been very funny if he had started it and gone gone up like 10 ft and then intentionally slipped off and been like, "Oops." And fell to the ground be like, "Okay, let's try this again. Let's try this again." >> Yeah. I just I don't know. There's It's the same thing as the Wendas. I got out on the Wendas stream because I was like, "They're not going to show if he falls." And I know that's [ __ ] up, but >> isn't that the whole idea is you're watching walking.

1:18:46 >> Isn't the whole idea of watching is like he could fall and you could see this. >> Yeah. I mean, it makes me uncomfortable. >> I'm not rooting for him to fall, but the idea of it is like for the viewer. >> I still think you would get that effect though. And then you would have the choice of whether you wanted to watch it or not because you know that >> it would be everywhere on on on >> X.com the everything app because it is all happening on X. It's all happening.

1:19:10 >> Especially like snuff films >> that you don't want to watch. >> I just recently I don't know what happened. I recent >> I just got back into the >> Wait, what? >> Ukrainian drone strikes on personal drone strikes on Russians. >> Not good. >> That just got back in my feed. I watched I saw like five of them last night. >> Not good. What kind of head videos we talking about?

1:19:28 >> Good head videos. >> Oh yeah. Yeah. >> But like I was watching like an all 22 video and then the it auto played a head video and then I scrolled up and up and it was like four in a up. >> Yeah. Faci's video got in the porn algorithm. >> Yes. I I was just about to say that I was watching the Fisouli video and like out loud at my desk and Zach was right next to me just immediately after just middle of deep deep penetration. >> Yeah.

1:19:49 >> And it was like that makes sense. Twitter thinks this this this is porn >> has always said that if he was a hot chick he would do Only Fans >> on the record. He's always been on the record. >> If everything about him was different he would make a lot of money on only fans. >> Okay. Cool term. Uh, my cool throw is PFD. >> Oh, >> why is that? >> You're taller than Diego Pavia by 1/8 of an inch.

1:20:12 >> Let's go. Love that. How tall is he? >> He's 5'9 and 78s. >> Hell yeah. >> He was listed as 6 feet on the Vanderbilt media guides. >> He was. Yeah. >> You should do that for the combine official height listings. People would >> I like that idea. >> It some people would be very upset. >> Very very upset. >> Yeah. >> What do you mean official height? Oh, for uh for the Barceline.

1:20:35 >> Yeah. Listen, I'd like to get ahead of the story. Um, I'm also 5'9 like Diego Pavia. >> And seven. >> And how many eighs? >> I have not measured my eighs. I thought I thought you were perfectly average height. >> Yeah, it's per that is average globally. >> I thought 5'10 was average. >> No, no, globally 5'9. It might even be 5'8. That's the average height. Take out Asia worldwide.

1:20:54 >> I I have You never take What if you take out the NFC West? >> Yeah, right. That's We're doing the Hank. >> Yeah, we never do. >> We take all the shortest countries out. >> When we say globally, we mean globally, right? So 5'9. Yeah. A lot of great people in history have been 5'9. A lot of bad people, too. >> A lot of actually >> more bad >> the the worst the worst people ever I think have been 5'9.

1:21:17 >> Diego. >> Yeah. But Hitler was six feet in his media guide. >> In media guide. Yeah. Yeah. >> That's what Gobles put out. >> Um >> propaganda. Max just Googled Hitler height. Yeah. 59. >> Look up uh what was Mousolini's height? What was he weighing? He was a thick boy. >> Yeah, he was. Bad BMI from Mousolini. >> Mousolini only 5'7. >> Uh Stalin. >> Stalin was 5'5.

1:21:42 >> Even shorter boy. What about uh Genghaskhan? >> Genghask Khan. >> Shockingly, there's no definitive historical record. >> Really? >> Oh, okay. >> Most estimates are between 56 and 5'8. >> Hos, though. Absolute hos. Big time. >> He was a hos. >> Okay. What about Kevin Patulo? >> Kevin Patulo? >> What's your hot seat? PFT. >> Oh, he's big boy. 6'2. Uh, my hot seat is our good friend Sam Schwarzene.

1:22:14 >> Yeah. >> Is back on the hot seat. It feels like every six months there's a uh there's a personal attack made against Sam Schwarzene by the president of the United States. And he had the most personal one against Sam yesterday. Mhm. >> He he posted on Truth Social, "I can't watch the new NFL kickoff." Like many others, I just turned my head. Who has the right to make such a change directly aimed at Sam Schwarzene? So dis so disparaging to the game. The original was big time.

1:22:42 >> Big time. >> Strong, glamorous, and exciting. He's right. Donald Trump is right. The former kickoff was big time. That was it was a big time play. >> I like the new kickoff, but yes, it was a big time play. >> It was a big time play. I started to think about other things that are big time in sports. >> Slam dunks. >> Slam dunks are big time. >> Big time. >> Heavyweight bouts are big time. >> Big time.

1:23:03 >> Penalty shots in any sport. That's big time. >> Big time. >> The final round of the US Open. That's big time. >> That's very big time. >> Any any other big times, Hank? >> Master Sunday big time. >> Yeah. >> Or is moving day big time? >> I'd say I'd say bombing one down the fairways big time. >> Like the first T. >> It's a big time. first at the Masters is big time.

1:23:26 >> Big time. >> Pro Bowl. >> Big time. >> Big time. >> Big time. Used to be big time. Who has the right to change the Pro Bowl? >> Yeah. >> Uh Brian Dable hired as offensive coordinator for the Titans. >> So there we go. Okay. The the the everyone everything is uh the dominoes are falling. >> They are. Feels like >> I guess he's still opened up. He he still the contingency of not getting >> not getting Raiders. What is this new thing?

1:23:51 >> They keep doing this. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I I think Clint Kubak is gonna be the Raiders coach right after the Super Bowl. >> Could be. Yeah, seems like that's probably what they're waiting for. >> Have the Cardinals interviewed anyone? >> Feel like that's one I haven't heard. >> Yeah, I don't know >> to be honest. I I forgot about the Cardinals. >> Yeah. Uh Mike Laflur interviewed. Okay, so they've interviewed someone. Mike Laflur.

1:24:18 Okay, there has been an interview. Good for the Cardinals. All right. Uh, Max, did you you interviewed Brian Dable right? >> Sure did. Didn't want to come. >> Why not? >> I'm not in the room. >> Uh, my cool throw was going to be Diego Pavia. >> Yeah. >> I guess my other cool throne is 80 for Brady because they're going to have to make it another 80 for Drake. Are they Are we going to get another movie, Hank?

1:24:45 >> I don't know. >> They should. >> Depends on if four women, you know, make that track. >> Yeah, they should. But yeah, Diego Pavio was my my cool throne. That is it's a big difference between being 5'9 and being six feet. Trust me, it's a massive difference. Massive. >> What about 5'9 and 5'10? >> Not that big of a difference. Even I'd say 5'8 and 510 pretty much the same height.

1:25:07 >> Yeah. Okay. My uh hot seat is uh I don't even like Victoria's Secret. Uh I don't know who else sells lingerie because Sydney Sweeny's getting into the bra game and it's over. It's a wrap. >> Yeah. Probably the most no doubt. It's It's similar to when we started selling cheese stakes. Like duh. >> Why wouldn't she do that? Sydney Sweeney selling bras in for all sizes. >> All sizes. >> Love that.

1:25:34 >> Love that very much for her. >> I might buy one. >> This is a creepy. This is an amazing advertisement. >> I might buy one for myself. >> Can we Can we show more of these? >> The the Sydney Sweeney bra is going to crush >> the guaranteed. I think she's going to tap into to dudes are going to buy these bras just because >> I just said I'm buying one for myself >> because Sydney Sweeney.

1:25:55 >> Yeah. No, I want to buy one. I want to look at it. I know that's [ __ ] up and perverted, but I don't care. Call me a [ __ ] up pervert. >> Damn nipples. >> If she If she personally tried on every bra, >> Jim Schwarz should get one. >> How much How much would they go for? >> Uh that I don't know. I don't want to answer that one. >> I do not want to answer. >> Was that a bonk?

1:26:17 >> Yeah. It's a fact. >> Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, Sydney Sweeney bras that this is going to she's going to do well. Congrats to Sydney Sweeney becoming a billionaire. >> Yeah. >> My cool throne is Benny the Bull. Alltime respect move. Benny the Bull has announced he's going to retire his number number one now that Derrick Rose's number one has been retired in the Rafters. That's big time. >> That's so class.

1:26:40 >> That's big time. >> Like that's a big time move. >> Yeah. Credit to Benny the Bold. Did Dererick Rose have to negotiate to get number one from Benny the Bull when he became Chicago? >> He wore him at the same time, but he's saying, "Hey, you know what? My time has passed." >> Because that's that is a uh all class move for Benny the Bull if Derrick Rose came in, took his number, then retired, and then Benny says, "You know what? You earned it. You get to keep it for forever." Yeah.

1:27:05 >> So, what's Benny going to wear? >> I don't know. Mikey Betts are our He said 9977 or 42 would look great. 42 is so fire though. We got to keep it open for a future superstar in 2046. >> Okay. >> So, the Ryan's definitely going to do a Bennett the Bull retirement night. >> I think 50 would be good on a bull, right? >> 50 would be good. >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Okay. Uh, Zack, your hot seat cool thrown.

1:27:30 >> My hot seat. >> See, Max is just looking at Sydney Sweeney pictures now and it's just like, dude, stop. We're It's hard to podcast >> you. Whoever brought this up, >> I did, but that's because it's in the news. >> Yeah. Now, my job is to bring the news to you guys. >> Oh, hey, Zach. Do you remember my hypothetical I threw out to you last week? >> What was the hypothetical >> about if Sydney Sweeney ever came in the office to do an interview on PMT?

1:27:55 >> Oh, yeah. Trying to help support. >> Yeah. If Sydney Sweeney came into this office and did PMT and she was like, "Hey, uh, I forgot to wear a bra today. Do you guys have a pair of hands that could just support me during this interview?" And Zach had to do that. would he do it? And he got very uncomfortable. >> It'd be a gentleman. >> Anything for the team would do it. >> Max, can you go back to that the dress that she wore?

1:28:19 >> Ironically, maybe the most iconic picture of Sydney Sweeney is not involving a bra whatsoever. No, the the the other dress further up. >> The dress from you know the dress. Yeah. >> The best dress ever worn by anybody. >> The best dress of all time. >> That that Yeah. Let's see. >> That dress I don't think has bras. >> I'm going to say >> although I don't understand. Sometimes women wear bras and they're like, I'm not wearing a bra, but I am wearing a bra. I don't get it. I don't get any of this [ __ ] >> I'm gonna say it. I don't think she should get into the bra business.

1:28:46 >> No, cuz she when you put on the bras, the >> bras for thee, but not for me. >> No, she that was just one dress. She wears bras, >> but I don't think that we should encourage. >> Just go back to the dress again. >> We don't eat a cheese steak every meal. >> That is true. >> Yeah, it's good dress. It's good dress. All right, Zach, go. Go ahead. >> My hot is going to be a former Olympic snowboarder Ryan wedding.

1:29:07 >> Love this story going on there. Yeah, I love this story. Love this guy. >> He's the new uh he's the new El Chapo. >> Yeah. FBI saying uh like modern day El Chapo. Yeah. >> They're saying like roughly estimated 60 tons of cocaine trafficked a year >> for numbers. >> Olympic skiboarder. >> Former Olympic Canadian former Olympic snowboarder >> in like the early 2000s. >> That's awesome.

1:29:29 >> And then switched to trafficking drugs for the cartel. >> Pablo. >> That's awesome. >> Pablo S. Snowbar. There's like conflicting reports that he turned himself in at the Mexican Mexican embassy and >> he did turn himself in. >> There's like then I saw a statement where the lawyer is saying that he didn't surrender and that he was apprehended. So I I don't I'm not sure which one it is. There's like people going back and forth on that.

1:29:52 >> I'm on his side. >> Well, he was like a badass. >> He also snowboarder and then he's like, "You know what? More badass. I'll be a drug runner." >> He also Yeah. murdered a bunch of people. >> Oh, not cool. That's totally not cool. That's actually not chill cartel. >> No, he needs to chill out a little bit. >> Snowboarders shouldn't be doing that. That's not chill.

1:30:11 >> Disavow murder. >> If you're in the cartel, that's just the cost of doing business. >> That is true. It is the cost of doing business. Okay. And then my cool seat this week was going to be uh >> get Sydney Sweeney off the screen. It's It's distracting. >> You brought it up, >> but you kept it. Thank you. We also brought up Fulli and you haven't shown that video on repeat over and over. >> Yeah. Okay. Go ahead.

1:30:36 >> My cool cool throw this week was going to be uh ice cream enjoyers. I don't know if you guys seen ice cream might save the planet. >> Yes. >> We like the healthy fats in ice cream can protect you against so many things. >> Uhhuh. Ice cream is actually the healthiest thing you can eat. That's what they said. >> Lipid lowering, fat burning, cancer reducing. >> What are our thoughts on those things? Love it. I hate lipids. I I [ __ ] hate lipids.

1:31:01 >> Get them gone. >> Doesn't matter what kind of ice cream. Soft serve, >> traditional. >> As long as you got those healthy fats in there, PFT like your method of consumption, man. You got to get those healthy fats. >> Where are we seeing this? >> Some report. I was seeing it on uh there the everything app, but it also has there's some journals in the if you check out the thread intensively, there's accredited colleges being like, "Hey, look at this study. This study goes crazy." And we're we're talking about colleges that aren't easy to get into. Yeah.

1:31:30 >> Maybe some Ivy Leagues talking cream. >> Shout out Dalton. >> This guy's name. >> 50% reduction in diabetes during a day. >> I believe it. >> Okay. Good job, Zach. Let's get to our interview with DeAndre Hopkins. Before we get to De Hop, before we get to Nuke, he's brought to you by Campbell. What are you boys craving this NFL season? You know what I'm craving? I'm craving soup. It's soup season. No soup satisfies all your cravings. Like chunky. Chunky is bold, meaty, and has all the cravable flavors that you need to tackle your hunger. Go pick up a can of Chunky today. Crush your cravings.

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1:33:32 That's microsoft.com/m365copilot. And now here's DeAndre Hopkins. >> Okay, we now welcome on a very very very very special guest. It is DeAndre Hopkins uh from the NFL. Five-time Pro Bowler, three-time first team AllPro, twotime second team AllPro, one of the best receivers in the last decade in the NFL. DeAndre, thank you for joining us. Let's start with an easy question first. Uh are you are you retired yet? >> I am not retiring. >> I love that. I averaged 15 15 yards a catch last year, man. You were retiring off that [ __ ] >> I agree. So, so do we know where you're going to are you going to go back to Baltimore? I know obviously free agency is still a couple months away, but have you had any thoughts?

1:34:20 >> I've had some thoughts, of course. A lot of thoughts. >> Mhm. >> A lot of thoughts. But, um, you know, [ __ ] I mean, I love Lamar. I love Derek. Loves a Flower. So, who knows, man. But uh you know they they they have a new new head coach which will bring on new offense coordinator and you know let's see if uh you know let's see. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean the hands are still there. I don't think those are ever going to go away. Do the hands feel as good as they've ever been?

1:34:47 >> Oh man. I think even better man. >> Oh even better. Get better with age. >> Yeah >> man. You know it depends man. You know I learned I learned a couple little little tricks to the trade you know as I got older man. How to how to keep these things at uh up to par. Yeah, I mean you're you're a lot of fun to watch. I always root for you when you're playing because you you do still have that ability where you can catch anything that's nearby, which is it's great to see. Um I'm always curious to know you're you're in Baltimore this past season. What's Lamar like as a as a person? Like what is he a main reason that attracted you to Baltimore? And if so, like what's that relationship been like as it's grown?

1:35:23 >> Oh yeah. I mean Lamar I think is the sole reason I went to Baltimore. I mean, I don't think I could have after playing with Pat, you know, win many places, you know. I think uh that was that was the first option. Um Lamar is dope, man. Lamar's cool. He's he's he's he's the player in the locker room that talks to everyone. He's the quarterback that goes around, talks to the rookies, talks to the equipment staff, talks to everyone in the building Lamar talks to and loves him. Uh and he loves them. So, you know, Lamar, man, you know, he's a guy that if you know him, you know, he loves to talk and he loves a joke. You know, he's just like a down to earth cool dude about his religion, about football. That's it.

1:36:05 >> Yeah, obviously the the ending of the season wasn't great with the week 18 game. How long just curious like how long does it take to mentally flush that out or is it still kind of fresh in your head? >> Yeah, it honestly man that [ __ ] that [ __ ] still fresh in my head, you know? It really is just to know that we could have been in the playoffs. Um, and the team that we had, I feel like everyone knew that if we got in the playoffs, then, you know, this is a team to watch out for and we felt that as well, kind of how we started off and how we ramped up towards the end of the year. So, it still sucks just knowing that we built that momentum come starting off one and five to, you know, be to to be in the playoffs and, you know, be that close.

1:36:47 So, uh, yeah, man, it that it's tough. Very tough. >> Yeah. Um, speaking of the playoffs too, your former coach Mike Rael, I know you're only there for a year with him, but he's in the Super Bowl. What is it about coach Rabel because the turnaround is insane. They lost so many games last year, now they're in the Super Bowl. What does he do that's that's different than other coaches uh that has that that the Patriots back in the Super Bowl, >> right? Uh, I mean I would say what he does different than other coaches is he's I mean some co, you know, some coaches I'm not going to say he's different than every other coach, but what separates him is just how relatable he is to players. Uh, he played ball, you know, and not a lot of coaches I can, you know, say were actually out there in the field playing ball. But Rabel knows

1:37:33 football. He'll get down in in the dirt with you. He'll he'll block you. He'll try to run around on you at practice, you know. He'll he'll he'll put his hands on you, you know. And so I you're not around a lot of coaches that that will actually get down in the dirt and and put on the the pads and and and and and meet you, you know, right there on the field. But I I was in I was in Houston with Brael also. That's right. Brael was in Houston and you know, then later my head coach. So Brael and I have a long history and a long relationship.

1:38:03 He's he's like a father figure to me off the field, man. >> Yeah. Do did you notice at all that his strength is is his strength still the same from when you were in Houston with him to Tennessee? Because we know him fairly well and every time we see him like he'll give you like a slap on the back or a shake and just like kind of break your hand and you're like dude just chill out a little bit. >> Yeah. No, I think I think Bible strength is still there. He works out all the time, man. He he thinks he's a player a little bit, you know. Uh you know, if you ask him, he probably think he can go out there and still catch a touchdown.

1:38:34 No, but no man, Brav Braver works out still. That's my guy. >> Yeah. Are you saying Andy Reid never did that? He never tried to light you up in practice. >> I mean, you know, you know, with his eyes with his eyes. Just just just look just just just just piercing just piercing through you when you when you don't do something right. >> Yeah. So, I I got a question about uh about the Ravens. So, you signed with the Ravens March 13th, 2025, and uh you get you have to learn about the the rivalry with Pittsburgh. You have to, you know, become a part of that lore, part of that history. How long did it take you to actually hate the Pittsburgh Steelers?

1:39:08 >> It it didn't take me long, especially once we started off one and five. I was like, I hope Pittsburgh loses every game. >> Yeah, that makes sense. >> No, but uh especially towards the end of the year where we needed Pittsburgh to lose a couple games for us to, you know, have that advantage and and win a division. But obviously, you know, that that wasn't the case. So, uh you know, I would say I've always been a fan of Mike and u you know, A-Rod. So, you know, for me, it was kind of hard for me to be like, man, just [ __ ] Pittsburgh because I love the players and some of the coaches over there. Uh, but towards the end of the year when we needed Pittsburgh to lose some games, I was definitely like, man, yeah, let's let's let's go Dolphins. Come on. Let's let's >> It's kind of [ __ ] that they brought

1:39:52 the priest out to to bless that side of the end zone where you guys ended up missing the kick, isn't it? Like, that's not fair. >> Oh, man. I I I hope that get investigated. that guy never needs to come to a Pittsburgh game again, man. I Yeah, I don't I don't I don't understand that. But, you know, Loop obviously missed the kick, man. But, you know, there there were a lot of things that that went into that, man. You know, uh he's he's a rookie, man. You got to you got to take it easy on the guy.

1:40:16 >> Yeah, he'll be okay. How uh speaking of coaches, your coach in college, Davos Sweeney, you now you help build Clemson because obviously they go on to win national championships. It's now actually, let's start here. How are you feeling about Clemson watching that offense the last couple years? Because I feel like it's not been great, >> man. You know, I'll be honest. I grew up in Clemson, so I can say this, but it's been horrible. Uh, it's been terrible.

1:40:42 Uh, you know, I'm happy that they got back to the basics, bringing Chad Morris back in, the guy who evolved Clemson offense to where we were averaging 30 35 points. Uh, they brought Chad Morris back this year if you guys didn't know that. So, I'm happy that we kind of got back to the basics and you know that kind of offense, but it's been terrible, man. It's horrible. >> Yeah. What about So, Davo, when when he's recruiting you and he's bringing you on and he's, you know, your three years with him, what is what is he different as a coach like cuz we all see the outside and Davo, he can be a little corny, but he obviously gets guys to play hard for him. So, you know, what's your what was that whole process like with him?

1:41:23 >> Dabo demands the best out of you. you know, obviously as you see the the corny jokes as as some of y'all say, uh, you know, the the the the funny country stuff, you know, that Dabo says and does, but Dabo legit pushes everyone to be the best. And he's he's a coach that will he's he's he's a religious man, but on Saturdays, all that goes out the window. you know, Dabo will will curse you out like the old Alabama football coaches, and you know >> that this is who he is. You know, uh he's he's that guy.

1:41:58 >> Yeah. >> You you you know, he he will hit you with with every curse word he can, but you know, he loves you. >> Do you think it's a little weird that he runs down the hill first before the team? >> I like that. I like that. I think he does that to make sure he still has it. >> Okay. Because I every now and then we're like, "Hey, dude, just wait for the team." I mean, have you When you were on the team, did anyone ever fall down the hill?

1:42:20 >> Oh man, a guy actually broke his leg and I think after I left there, someone else did something also. But yeah, guy basically just like [ __ ] up his whole knee, man. Just everything messed up his whole knee, man. >> Did he get Did he have to get carded off the off the hill? Like what happened? >> Uh I think I think they truck Yeah, he definitely got card off the hill. Um they Well, they they carried him off the hill, but yeah, he was he was in bad shape. I think it was a walk-on, man.

1:42:47 So uh >> Oh, that's brutal. >> Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if it was the NFL, he might would have got a settlement. >> Yeah. You can't be getting carded off the field as a walk-on, though. You got to find a way to just get off the field. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. It was bad. And I'm pretty sure his girl was probably over there like "Damn >> that stuff you almost got you almost have to take reps of that in practice before you do it live." >> And that's like that's basically if he's not playing, going down the hill is everything. That's your whole Saturday.

1:43:16 Yeah. You just got to get down the hill without blowing out your knee. >> Come on, man. That that that's that's the reason he came to Clemson, man. And you know, unfortunately, it got cut short. >> Yeah. I got a couple questions about your your career and time spent with the Houston Texans. Um, first of all, I I do a podcast with Aren Foster, and whenever I ask him who the best player that he's ever played with was, he always says it was uh it was Andre Johnson that he he's the best that he's ever seen do it. So you come to the league and Andre is right there on the team. What was that like getting to play with him and watching him work close up?

1:43:48 >> Oh man, [ __ ] was crazy seeing Andre as big as he was. I was like, damn, how is somebody this big this fast? You know, that was that was my first uh take. I'm come from college where everybody's, you know, we're we're in the the 200. We're trying to hit 200 lb. But then I get to the NFL and I see a 220 lb receiver running a 45 44 at that age. I'm like, >> damn. It's is am I am I meant for this? Uh just cuz physically Andre is is a specimen. But man, seeing him work, the dude never never took off practice. He never missed reps unless he was actually hurt. Uh and he was competitive. So, you know, it was dope. But Andre was was my biggest critic. You know, I would go out there and and have like a a catch on the sideline. I have I would have one foot in, one foot out. And obviously that's not good. You know, coming from college

1:44:33 as a rookie, I'm like, "Shit." You know, I'm thinking I'm doing something. Andre's like, "Man, what the [ __ ] are you doing, man? That's that's not good enough." like you got to have two feet in. He was like, "If you want to play in this league, like you got to learn this." And he would make me breath that after practice. He would make me go out and do stuff and I'm like, "Damn." Like [ __ ] man. This I thought I had a receiver coach, you know? I'm like, "Damn, I got I got I got two, you know, but it it was dope, man.

1:44:56 It It was funny. He He made me a better player." >> Yeah. And then, uh, second question about time with the Texans. You had a lot of great highlights there. Just a walking high highlight reel. Maybe your best catch that you ever made ended up not counting. We always talk about like the greatest plays that you forget because they didn't count. I think it might be you. I think you might have the best catch in NFL history that did not count. It was against the Dolphins. And can you walk us through that play cuz I love going back and watching it.

1:45:22 >> Yeah, man. I would walk you through that play and I would tell you later that that ref apologized because he knew that wasn't a pass interference. >> Good. Nice. >> Which is which is messed up because that was a a crazy catch. And from that angle, I could kind of see how he thought. But you know, when you do things sometimes so spectacular on the field, the ref just really don't doesn't comprehend that like this is a spectacular catch. This person didn't do anything to to alter the other person.

1:45:52 And it was one of those where Deshun and I knew that he was coming to me. It was no matter what I was like, Deshun, throw this ball however. And he threw it and gave me a chance. So, I knew it was going to be at a certain position and the defender was he beat me towards the route and I knew it was a back shoulder. So, I kind of caught it with my left and as I was falling, bring it through my legs. >> Yeah. >> And somehow I got called for a pass interference. >> Yeah, I'm watching it right now. It's [ __ ] That wasn't pass interference.

1:46:24 >> Did you have a moment where you thought like before you saw the flag, you're like, "Yeah, I just did that [ __ ] That's the best catch that's ever happened." >> Yeah, I did. I did obviously. And I was like, "What?" Like I'm like, man, this Oh yeah, this is [ __ ] To myself, I was like, how the [ __ ] did I catch it? But you know, when you're in that moment and you're playing, you you know, you're just taking it in. But >> once I saw the flag, I I definitely almost wanted to pick that flag up and throw it back at the ref. But, you know, >> it sounds like you got like the ref basically saying, "You're too good for me to be able to officiate this properly." Like that's really what it sounds like is you're you made such an

1:47:02 incredible play. the ref was like, "There's no way this can't be a penalty. I have to throw something." >> Yeah, basically. And u you know, I think as the game evolved, maybe they'll start challenging referee calls. Who knows? >> Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, on one hand, it's good that he apologized that he said like, "Hey, I'm sorry I blew that call." On the second, that that almost makes it worse where it's like, "Yeah, okay." Yeah. I I already know you screwed up.

1:47:25 >> Yeah. Like I knew it. And I think their sideline knew it, too, because their whole sideline was like, "Oh shit." You usually the sideline if they if they think it's a pick PI out they're like push off push off but they were just like >> and now but now it it lives forever being the the best catch that never counted. >> I think it should be. >> So that's even better almost in a weird way now that we're removed from it like hey that's the number one catch that that never counted.

1:47:50 >> Yep. Do you uh so you so playing with the Texans, Cardinals, Titans, um Chiefs, Ste uh Ravens, can you name all the quarterbacks that threw you a touchdown? I think there's 15, >> man. [ __ ] >> A lot of Texans. >> All right. Is Is that like tied for the most? I'm not sure. >> I don't know if it's tied for the most, but it's a lot. Like I was looking at the list. It's a lot. And it's also some very funny names. Mash Shop, Case Keenum, Deshawn Watson, Kyler Murray, Lamar Jackson Pat uh Brock Oswaller.

1:48:27 >> Yep. Five. >> Um, Matt Shab. Did I say Matt? >> Yeah, you said Matt Shab. >> Okay. Did I say I said Case Kingdom? Did you put Case on? >> I think you said Case. You're going to struggle with some of these. >> Oh. Uh Will Levis. >> Yep. I don't know if you said Deshun Watson, so will that that's your number one? >> Deshan Will Levis. Deshun Watson. Uh >> you're missing some legends.

1:48:55 >> Uh Brian Hoyer. >> Yep. In our eyes, legends. I should clarify. >> All right. All right. All right. Um Oh, man. My guy from Pittsburgh. Freak. Uh come on. I'm blanking. >> You got this. >> Shoot. Where where are we? We at like seven. That's it. >> We're We're at like nineish. I I know the names that you're missing. >> Okay. Okay. >> It's all Texans right now. Uh actually one one Titan you're missing, but the rest are Texans.

1:49:25 >> Oh. Um >> Ryan, obviously. >> Yeah, Ryan Tanel. This is my favorite list of like just guys that it's it's basically the ultimate remembering dudes. So I I'll give you I'll give you a couple. Ready? >> You forgot TJ Yates. Oh man, come on. Okay. >> Seven from him. Ryan Mallet. Uh, RIP. >> Tom Savage is who I think you were looking for. >> Tom. Tom. >> Tom Savage. >> And then the last one is uh you caught a touchdown pass from Brandon Weeden.

1:49:58 >> Seriously? >> Yeah. >> Wow. >> Oh, you know what? I think the Brandon Weeden story, what I mean, if I'm not mistaken, it might have been against the Titans, but I think Brandon Weeden threw me the ball back to back. I had a It was the C, if I'm not mistaken, it was against Titans and it was a go ball in the red zone. I caught the first one, then the ref called a penalty. Brandon goes, I'm throwing it to you again. Just don't push off. Throws and it's touch. But when you got back when you got backup quarterback, sometimes it's the best because they're just like, "Look, [ __ ] the play. Just get open up." >> That's Yeah, you were probably a backup quarterback's best friend for that reason. Yeah, I'm watching right now.

1:50:43 You're exa You're exactly right. It was against the Titans. He threw you like a 60ard go ball to get down to the the to the 15 yd line and then he's just like, "I'm spamming it. I'm throwing it again." Like, "Be ready." >> Just back to back end. and and the offensive coordinator at the time was George Goty who just went to Georgia Tech. Okay. >> As offensive coordinator. I was with him in Baltimore. And George Gotsy would tell the quarterbacks if Hop is oneonone or if there's two people on them throwing the ball.

1:51:12 >> So I I feel like that they probably were like also if there's three people maybe throw him the ball as well. >> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. >> Yeah. You you had a couple I think there was one in Arizona where it was like threeon-one and you just jumped up in the air and grabbed and just looked at all three of them. You're like, "Why are you guys even trying?" >> Yeah. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was against the Bills. Um not Yeah, that was against the Bills. I've had some great catches against the Bills last year. My fir my first touchdown catch last year was against the My first catch was against the Bills last year.

1:51:42 >> That's got to be a good feeling. So the um Speaking of the Super Bowl, obviously didn't go your way last year, but what was it in like Super Bowl week? Did it feel very different? Did the did the game, you know, starting the game being in that moment, h how how could you describe it versus just like a week 15 game? >> Oh, yeah. It's it's it's a big difference. You know, obviously you go outside and you see the whole street is paraded with all NFL stuff, but uh I would say, you know, those guys been there before two years. Well, shoot, you know, two years back to back they won.

1:52:13 So, I would say the whole staff, the whole organization, you know, knew what to do. You know, obviously there's a couple couple guys on the team who are new to it first time like myself, but I would say it it felt like a regular week just, you know, the streets just going outside. Everything is is Super Bowl this, Super Bowl that. And uh you know, I think I thought it was kind of interesting how half the hotel is fans and half the hotel is us, you know. So, you know, I'm thinking like, all right, we're going to go somewhere separate, be far out, then come in. But, you know, we were like right in the middle of it in New Orleans. Uh, which I thought was cool, too, cuz you know, the fans could see us walking throughout the hotel and and places like that. But, uh, yeah, man. It was it was it was it was it was cool.

1:52:58 Uh, you know, you got Pat Mahomes obviously who is the leader of the team and made sure everybody was ready to go. But, uh, you know, we faced a we faced a Philly team who was hungry, man. And, you know, you saw the results. Yeah. And and I love the the story about wearing the the coat for your dad. Can you tell that the the for the Super Bowl you're wearing was it a mink coat? >> Yeah, it was a mink coat uh that my dad had in the '90s. He he passed away in uh 1992. So, you know, 1993, but it was just, you know, just a a jacket that was passed down uh from from him to me that, you know, I was like, man, if I ever get a chance to to play in a Super Bowl or a special moment, you know, I want to wear this jacket. uh you know, just to kind of you know, give give you know, honor to my dad. But uh yeah, even though we lost, I still think it was it was cool that I got, you know, a chance to to

1:53:47 play in the Super Bowl. >> Yeah, that and giving every touchdown ball to your mom. It's it's really cool. I I hope that she has the Brandon Weeden one in a special place, >> man. She She might. I don't know. I don't I don't I I don't know. I don't know if she she has it out. It might be in storage somewhere, but she has it. >> We got to get the Brandon Weeden ball in a real nice spot. >> Yeah. Yeah. Seriously, man. Seriously.

1:54:07 Some someone has that ball [ __ ] >> Yeah. Hey, when you were playing for the Texans, you guys were, you know, a good team and the playoffs come around every year. Did you Did you even check the schedule or you like, "We know we're playing Saturday afternoon." >> Yeah. I never I never checked the I knew we was playing Saturday, man. It It was Yeah, it was it was it was it was definitely u one of those where it was it was tough, man, for us to get that first round by.

1:54:30 >> Yeah, >> you got to think I mean, back then it was AFC was it was it was it was the Patriots, man. you you're not getting that number one seed, man, unless you're you're going through the Patriots back then, you know. And uh Alex Smith was putting us out the playoffs, too. So, >> yeah. >> Good run. >> It would have been nice to get Saturday night or or Sunday, you know, at some point on on Sunday, but instead it was always like, yeah, the Texans or the Bengals. Those two teams are always going to be playing Saturday afternoon.

1:54:59 >> Or the Colts, you know, >> or the Colts. >> Yeah. Or the Colts. Yeah, it was Yeah, you're you're right. The Chargers. The Chargers was was was almost there sometime. They might get in once every couple years as well. >> Yeah. Uh I I this might be a dumb question, but you've played in a lot of different NFL stadiums. From a from a receiver standpoint, are there some stadiums where it's harder to track the ball? >> For sure. For sure. Uh [ __ ] Especially the new stadiums where they think that the the concert lights are, you know, the best. Uh man, it's it's actually a disadvantage. But yeah, no, especially more more so the newer stadiums where they come in and and they want to add the lights for the prom games uh and you know the concerts and all that stuff.

1:55:44 >> Yeah. I know this is a little weird question because you're still playing, but is there a receiver that you watch right now and you're like, man, that guy is just different and and people don't give him enough respect? >> Oh, yeah. Um, I would I would definitely say, man, there there are a couple, but one of my favorites that I love watching who doesn't get credit, I would say Scary Terry. >> Yeah. >> Oh, okay. >> Yeah, he's awesome.

1:56:09 >> Yeah, >> he's awesome. He's He's just contested catch machine. >> Yeah, Scary Terry, man. Scary Terry ever get on the team, you know, with I mean, obviously, you know, the what the Redskins did a couple years ago was was amazing. Um, but you know, Scary Terry is is is going to be a good one. >> Would you would you like to play with him at some point in your career? >> I like Washington, but uh you know, I like Washington as a city, you know, good food, good restaurants.

1:56:39 >> Yep. >> Yeah. But um yeah, I'm not sure about, you know, I grew up a Redskins fan, so >> I think that might be enough for me. >> So So that's a maybe. I'm hearing a maybe from him. No, I think >> is that a maybe? What if I said please? What if I said please? We we would love to have you in DC. >> Oh man, you you guys you guys got enough receivers. You got Debo. You got Scary Terry and y'all y'all Yeah. Y'all y'all y'all good, man. Y'all y'all don't need this old guy over there.

1:57:10 >> Debo might not be back next year. I think he's a free agent. Is that I feel like I'm begging you right now. This is sad. Don't make them. This is sad. You know, we don't want you. We don't want you. Good luck. Good luck. >> Hey, listen. Listen. I think I think I'm I'm I'm below on the free agent priority list. I think What about Isaiah likely over there or or or or a top free agent signing? >> I like how you don't want to go to DC so much that you're trying to you're trying to give other guys to me. You don't want a guy like me, future Hall of Famer. How about Can I interest you in an Isaiah likely instead?

1:57:39 >> Yeah, man. Come on, man. I'm just saying man. >> Yeah. Hey, uh I got a non- football question. What happens at the Met Gala? You've been there. You You've attended. What? What the hell happens? You guys just go and do nothing inside? >> Yeah, man. We We go in there. We uh we we sacrifice the goat. No, I'm just kidding. >> No, no, no. Honestly, honestly, it's just people hanging out, eating food, and then there's a concert.

1:58:07 >> That's it. >> I mean, it's simple as that. You know, you have the the hangout where people can, you know, chill. There's, you know, food. You got the orders. You got the caviar, you know, all the fancy stuff. Uh, and then there's a concert and basically, yeah, that's that's that's the Met Gala, man. It's it's nothing too crazy to it. >> Yeah. It's a lot of pressure though, trying to figure out what you're going to wear to that, right?

1:58:29 >> Yeah, I know, man. Just just I think I think I think it's more pressure just just trying to eat the caviar, you know, the best. No, >> no, it was cool though, man. No, but it it was fun. A lot of pressure. Um, I would say more so on the designers because that walk up to into it is uh that's basically the med galla. Yeah. >> You know, just Yeah. It's it's not inside. >> No, that's a good point though. Like once you get in there, everyone's wearing the most fancy clothes. They have they have to design that food to make it hard to spill, >> right? That's what I'm saying, man.

1:59:03 You're like, I'm like, I can't mess this suit up, man. Or mess these clothes up, so let me stay away. But no, it was it was cool, man. Cool experience. Jerry Lorenzo is one of my friends. He's he's the designer who I went with, and he chose me to go, uh, which I thought was cool. But fear of God essentials is his clothing line. >> Yeah. Can we talk a little bit about the Super Bowl? Uh and and how you see this matchup playing out because I feel like most people are looking at and saying Seahawks have been maybe the best team in the NFL all year. If you look at it big picture, >> uh the Patriots, Mike Vrabel, really well coached team. Drake Mays had a great year. They got some good weapons at wide receiver, too. How do you how do you see this playing out, >> man? I think it's going to be a good one. I think right now everyone has the

1:59:45 Seahawks to win if I'm not mistaken. Uh but you know, Rabbel is is one of the best coaches at situational football and what what Drake May is doing right now, uh not turning the ball over is how you win the Super Bowl and just going out letting your defense uh you know, control the game. man, right now it's I think I think the Patriots is playing some of the best defense in football far as the back end, the front line. Uh and then, you know, you got the Seahawks who is explosive. You know, they those guys are taking shots. They got a running back, they have couple receivers. Uh you know, but for me, I think the key uh moments who who win the Super Bowl is is going to be the guys that you don't talk about, that you don't think about. the Cooper Cups, the Mac the Mac Hollands.

2:00:32 Uh you know, I think those guys right there can uh you know, really determine this game because of course you got your JX's uh you know, and you got Stefon who who all eyes are going to be on, but you seen this past game the trick play to M. Uh you know, stuff like that I think is is is going to be, you know, those plays that kind of separates uh you know, who win because both both are are well coached teams. So, you know, I don't see it just being a blowway game. Uh, but who knows? Uh, but Rabbel, I think, is one of the, if not the best situational coaches in football and, uh, you know, the Seahawks obviously is a great offense and a great defense. So, it's going to be a good one.

2:01:13 >> What uh did when you guys played the Patriots this year, did you match up at all against Christian Gonzalez? because he feels like that defense for the Patriots, a lot of it is goes because of how good he is and how he can take away a team's like top weapon. >> Yeah. No, Christian is good. I went against him a couple times, but it was more so towards the end of like the end of a half, so he really wasn't playing, you know, pressed up. Uh I think it was the out route. Uh but, you know, yeah, I I would definitely say watching film on him from this past year. Christian.

2:01:44 Christian definitely does a good job of taking away uh you know key guys, but he does it in a way that he doesn't get a lot of holding calls. He doesn't get a lot of penalties. And I think that's what really separates him from a lot of defenders. Uh he doesn't panic when the ball is in the air. And you see a lot of other guys who can make the play on the ball. Uh but you know, instead of turning around, they'll kind of just panic a little bit. But Christian does a good job of being composed.

2:02:08 >> Yeah. Wh who's the one cornerback that always gave you the hardest time where you know you you obviously have had an incredible incredible career. One of the top wide receivers like I said at the top but is there one guy that was like man he something about him he just he was always a matchup you know issue for me. >> Oh yeah. Jaylen Ramsey. Jaylen Ramsey and myself. Uh I would say we've had some of the best battles I've I've had. He went to Jacksonville uh when he got drafted. though played him twice a year for a couple years and ah man I think it was the first his rookie year uh it was a slant to win a game at Jacksonville Jaylen's rookie year and after that game I remember uh his offseason him talking about it somewhere in the interview that that play right there uh basically changed his game and made him realize that in order for him to be

2:03:02 one of the best rece uh best defenders that he has to stop me who was the reason that Jacksonville brought in a DB because Houston at the time was one division and I was uh one of the best receivers and so you know his technique and everything I would say changed after that one play. Uh, so I would say, you know, we kind of made each other better because after that I saw his game change and it made me step my game up and do things different also because I knew that Jaylen was a guy that I needed to win against or beat to continue to to you know I would say stay at top of the division and uh, you know, be be one of the best receivers in the game at the time. So Jaylen and I definitely we we we groomed and I would say changed each other's game, but uh you know he was one of the first defenders that could go out there and and run with you uh and jump with you, tackle you. Uh you know, he's

2:03:57 6'2. The guy basically could be a receiver if he wanted to. Uh but that game at Jacksonville his rookie year, it was a slant that I won. It was big third down to win the game. uh and he knew the ball was coming to me and he he he he talked about that in an interview somewhere. Um I'm not sure which quarterback I had at the time. Um but yeah, that game that game right there uh kind of I would say changed, you know, the way that that Jaylen, you know, went about guarding receivers. Yeah. One Yeah. >> Yeah. Uh so you played you played basketball in college, right?

2:04:33 >> I did. Uh I played all of two seconds, but I played basketball. >> Yeah. 10 minutes in seven games, never got a point. But you you've got some teammates that said that you could have been a starter on that team if if if basketball was your primary focus. >> Well, to my credit, I would say we had a senior point guard and I knew I wasn't going to play. I knew I was coming in kind of to learn the offense. I didn't have an offseason at with the basketball team. I went straight from football to basketball.

2:05:03 So, it took me half the season to learn the offense, to learn everything. Uh, and so, yeah, the next year I was going to be the starting point guard to my credit. Uh, but yeah, you know, Davo was like, "No, man. This this isn't it. This isn't for you." Um, come on over here. And I had the realization that there's not many 62 point guards in the NBA there. There's more 62 wide receivers. So, you know, I just had a realization that Yeah. >> H how awesome was it in high school just dominating everyone in everything.

2:05:40 >> Well, you know, I wanted to play soccer. So, I would say I was a little dis it. No, basketball and football. It was cool, man. I didn't win a state championship in football. Won one in basketball, though, which is, you know, kind of like a bittersweet thing because I love football. But I did want to play soccer and I wanted to play goalie and and the high school coach kind of told me not to come out because they had a goalie who's been there three years. So, uh I was trying to I was trying to go for the trifecta, man.

2:06:09 >> I feel like you would have been a really good goalie. Yeah. >> Yeah. Me, too, man. I was like, come on. Like, how hard how hard can it be? Even though, you know, I can't say I was I was the best at at at juggling the foot a soccer ball. >> That's fine. Yeah. Too much of that goal. And you don't even have to catch the ball. You just have to deflect it if you're goal. >> Yeah. Right. And and I could I could have rolled it every time. I didn't have to, you know, kick it. Just hey, just come come over here. Come get this ball.

2:06:34 >> Did Now, did you play would you say that you played basketball like a football player or that you played football like a basketball player? >> I played football like a basketball player, I would say. >> Okay. >> I I had more I had finesse. I was a point guard, you I wasn't even though I would say my highlight of my my college 10-minute career uh was being a six-man off the bench to guard Ian Shumper at Georgia Tech and I shut him down because they wanted me to play basketball like a football player and go in there and basically foul him and >> and you know get you know give him a little elbow here and there and uh I did my job. We won the game.

2:07:08 >> Locked them up. Hey, do you know uh do you know what a catch is? >> Sometimes. Sometimes I don't. >> Yeah. So, what we've had it we had the Cooper Cup yesterday. Uh we had obviously the Khil Shakir in in the Bills Broncos game. When you're watching these games, can you tell like, "Oh, that's a catch. That's not a catch because it feels like no one really knows playtoplay what actually a catch is?" >> Yeah. I think I think the one that should really be reviewed and the NFL should look at is the Isaiah likely situation.

2:07:39 >> Yeah. Um, and the reason I say that is because, you know, those guys got a hard job up there in New York. Obviously, you know, you you know, us as as as a player and watching the game, we can say, "Oh, this a catch and it isn't." But I think certain certain ones there should be like it should it should be solid, more solid than it is. I say Isaiah likely catch will touch. Well, the one that wasn't a catch they said because he was in the end zone. He had possession beyond the point of the end zone and he got one two feet down, but they said he needed a third step. So the reason I say that is if a guy crosses the end zone with the ball, that's a touchdown. So why not having possession of one two in the end zone being a touchdown?

2:08:29 So, I think that that one right there is one that New York should really think about the end zone, not not the end zone and really making it, you know, simple. But I think this year really u it woke up the rule changes and the people that that go about all that stuff of what is a catch and what isn't a catch because man, some people jobs are on the line and some some teams playoff hopes are on the line with with these these catches and not catches. And uh I thought that it was corrected back when Dez Bryan uh caught the ball. Uh and also Calvin Johnson uh you know so it's been going on for years. Obviously you got the internet now you got you know Tik Tok you got Twitter where it's it's it's more vi you know it's it's easier for people to see >> then back then when Calvin Johnson and Dez Bryan you know we we just talked

2:09:22 about it or we had to find it you know oursel but now it's it's in your face. Uh, and so I think the NFL should change it, uh, for sure to to whatever they change it to and just let it be that, uh, where it's not black and white. >> Yeah. When they make a rule change like that, do you sit down? Do you like do you open up the rule book and you're like, "Okay, so here's what I need to do to make a catch." >> Nah. Yeah. You you talk about it going into the season. You know, we have meetings every season about the new rules. So, you know, every team has to do it. This is a new rule. This is that they changed this. And so, they'll kind of give us a little seminar, uh, just to kind of, you know, make you think about it. But you don't go into the game or or, you know, practice like, "All right,

2:10:10 this is this new rule, unless it's a special teams rule." I think special teams guys and coaches have to kind of go over that more often than, you know, a receiver, >> you know, practicing, you know, certain things. >> Yeah. Yeah. Uh DeAndre, this has been awesome, man. We really appreciate you coming on. Uh I'm going to ask you one last question. Robback question. Rhoback.com, promo code take. 20% off your first purchase. QZips, polos, hoodies, joggers, shorts. Robback.com, promo code take. I don't think you get enough credit for having one of the coolest nicknames as well. Nuke. So how So it was you got it as a baby. Like that is a very cool nickname.

2:10:49 >> Oh, man. Come on. >> It is. Do you do you at least like was that something when you were growing up that you were not ashamed of or or like hey that's not my name because I do think it's one of the coolest nicknames you could have. >> Yeah man I used to tell everyone they call me Nuke because I'm the bomb. I'm the [ __ ] N but uh nah but uh yeah man I I you know for a while you know [ __ ] I didn't know my name was DeAndre because everyone would call me Nuke where I'm from. So that's just that's some people where I'm from doesn't know my real name is DeAndre.

2:11:22 Some people just know me as Nuke. So uh yeah, obviously my mom said that I had a little problem as a as an infant. I wouldn't I wouldn't suck the pacifier. I would chew it up with my gums and and my and my and my two teeth that I had. And she said it became a problem to where it was the only brand pacifier that I would use. But unlike my other siblings, she said I would just chew it up. And she knew then that, you know, I was meant to take football hits. >> Yeah, >> that's awesome. Don't do mouthpieces.

2:11:54 Yeah, >> nuke is a great nickname. That's a [ __ ] cool ass nickname. >> Hey, man. It's not bad. It's not bad. We We just going to stick with somebody else cuz I got it cuz I'm the bomb, you know. >> Yeah, I like that. >> You're going to go nuclear on people. Yeah. >> Yeah. Come on. You know. Yeah. Basically. >> Yeah. All right. Well, DeAndre, thanks so much, man. Really great to have you on. We'll uh definitely have you on again because this was fun.

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2:14:23 Use code PMT at checkout for 15% off. >> Okay, Hank. FAQs. >> Yes, FAQs. Uh memes sent these to me. just added in the middle finger emoji for no reason. >> Okay, nice. The meme log's going. >> Uh, how big the booth? >> How big the booth? >> It looks like it's pretty small and cramped. That being said, how bad does it smell? >> Well, Oldie is here this week. >> Yeah, we got to get him on on Thursday.

2:14:55 >> Oh, Max just had a flashback to the Oldie booth. >> Oh, man. >> The oldie booth was was something. How about is the best? I walked I was walking where >> Yeah. I was walking out of the office yesterday and Oldie was talking about uh the strip clubs in Canada. You just suck on the He was like, "You just suck on the jugs forever." Like what? >> All right. So, two-part question. One, how big the booth? >> Question two, I know it smells crazy in there.

2:15:26 >> Booth small. >> Booth small. >> Right now, it doesn't smell. There are times where it does smell bad, but right now it's not not so bad. Although there's no ventilation in it. >> Yeah, we're just in it. So sometimes >> What happened to the clocks? We we just stop. >> That's a good qu. >> Yeah, I am not turning 40. I >> get a full reset today. >> Hey, my birthday is in 3 days.

2:15:47 >> We're clocks are in shambles. There's a vacuum incident, but we're back today. >> What was the vacuum incident? >> Somebody was vacuuming and there's >> outlets got pulled, plugs got pulled, but we'll be back better than ever. The Super Bowl's right. You're one for Yandel's birthday is in three days. >> You're one for eight. >> Oh, Y. Wait, does Yandel have the same birthday as me?

2:16:06 >> I don't know. That's just what the clock says. Let's see. >> Where's Yand? >> No, I think his birthday's in >> I think birthday. >> Maybe it is Jan. >> I'm September 9th. >> Way off. Way the [ __ ] off. That might be my birthday. And it says PFT's birthday is in 224 days. His birthday's Saturday. Your birthday was a victim of the vacuum, but you'll be back bet. You'll be back strong.

2:16:32 >> Okay. >> If you plug a toilet at a get together and no plunger is available, are we using our hand to unplug or asking the host for a plunger? >> Plugg it depends on the size of the get together. >> I have used my hand. >> No, hold on. Whoa. Whoa. That was judgy. >> That's disgust. Oh, yeah. The judgment was a a disgust. I've used my hand in a trash bag. >> You put your hand in a trash bag. >> Okay.

2:17:03 >> You go outside, find a stick. >> The trash bag works if you're in a I mean, I guess in a home it might be tough, but you just whatever the little trash is next to Everyone's got one little trash next to the sink. You just get the trash bag out of there. Dump it. Hand in. Unplug. You got to pre flush though. >> Yeah. Flush. >> No. If you're if you're on a road game, you got to be flushing constantly. >> Flush halfway through.

2:17:28 >> You got to just be I'm I'm flushing as I'm [ __ ] >> Yeah. You got to let almost let the toilet pull some of the poop out of your butt as it's going down. >> Yeah. You got to be all on You got to be on top of that. That's actually You get to a certain age where it's 100% your fault because you know the rules. The rules are flush after every like just 10 times. >> Every law gets its own flush. Mhm. >> Hey fellas, with the talk about Sam Darn looking for Hank at Josh Allen's MVP party, I was curious, what are the some some of the best events and perks you've attended received thanks to success of the show. Thanks.

2:18:01 >> Well, I wouldn't say that Josh Allen's thing was necessarily a perk. It was along the lines of something else. >> Mhm. >> But yeah, I mean those parties are fun. >> They're fun. >> We don't really do that many of them though. >> Yeah. How can I say this without sounding j We're just getting old. Like it was I think it was more fun eight years ago. Super Bowl week was a little more fun. >> Yeah. If you're in your >> early 30s, >> that's a really fun time to go out at the Super Bowl.

2:18:33 >> Hell yeah. >> But it is it's it's more fun uh just to see people we don't see. Like that's really the the the funnest Super Bowl events we do is like you know going out like going out to a dive bar with like Rillo and Stanford Steve and Chris Long. That's by far my favorite part of the Super Bowl. So I I haven't gone to like one of the big parties in forever. I I would say though at the Vegas Super Bowl doing a bunch of mushrooms and then going out to like the wild parties with with Chris Long and Steve that night >> that was because just seeing Mark Davis on mushrooms was an experience that was >> he was I was I was very much mushrooms.

2:19:12 >> Uh I think he was Stone Cold So >> Shiakei from PF Chens he seemed like he was just living large and in charge. >> U but yeah th those are fun moments but it's usually based around who you're with. >> Yeah. All right, last one. Would you rather your team not make the Super Bowl or make the Super Bowl and get absolutely embarrassed for the whole world to see? >> Good question. I'd rather not make the Super Bowl. >> Yeah, depends on the embarrassment. I think that embarrassed like some of those the the like third and fourth Bills ones in the '9s.

2:19:46 >> Yeah. when it was just a blowout blowout or like the >> people don't talk about how the Chiefs got embarrassed last year. Like that gets that gets kind of like forgotten. >> You're right. They did. >> Good point, Hank. Point Hank. >> I'm thinking of like the Raiders against the Bucks. That's pretty or the uh the Niners and Chargers. >> Yeah, that was an ugly one. >> That one was ugly.

2:20:07 >> Steve Young pieced up the the Chargers. >> That line was like 14. That was not not even like it was ugly, but it was supposed to be ugly. Yeah, if you make this I guess at least you have >> Have there been other embarrassing ones recently? >> Recently we've we've been on some pretty good like Super Bowls in terms of uh actually Bucks Chiefs was kind of embarrassing. The Chiefs didn't score a touchdown. >> Chiefs are a joke.

2:20:30 >> Chiefs didn't score a touchdown. >> Yeah, I would say it's it's >> you do get the two weeks where you get to enjoy your team leading up to the Super Bowl. That's a fun that's a fun period of time where you're just like embracing the idea that you get to go to this party reading all the national media stories about your team. It also I think the embarrassment can go two ways like if you get embar I would choose not go to the Super Bowl if you get embarrassed from like the jump like the Broncos Seahawks that was embarrassing for the Broncos literally from the beginning of the game. They got a safety right.

2:21:04 >> Yep. >> Yeah. If you get embarrassed like a you're down 10 at halftime and then you end up losing by like 24 >> I think that you can be like hey we were in it for a little bit but yeah if you get embarrassed right from the beginning what are you going to say >> memes a thousand% put this in so that we could revisit this if the Patriots get embarrassed >> what would you say Hank >> I'd rather make the Super Bowl >> but what about like really embarrassed >> I mean this year it's like yeah we got it's our first year coach for the 23-y old quarterback we'll be back >> I wasn't talking about you specifically.

2:21:35 I'm just saying if you got really embarrassed. >> Why would I get embarrassed if it wasn't me specifically? What? What? >> It could be anyone. It's a hypothetical for anyone. >> But you said ask me specifically. What about you, Hank? >> Yeah, you're part of the hypothetical. >> Oh, hypothetical. Hypothetical. I'd rather make the Super Bowl. >> Okay. Okay. I mean, Dam Marino never got back. >> True.

2:21:56 >> That is true. >> He also lost. >> Yeah. >> We don't want that. We want to win. >> Correct. Correct. So, wouldn't that be awful if you never got back and you lost? >> That's part of the >> hypothetically. Yeah, that would suck. >> Yeah, >> hypothetically. >> Yeah. >> Okay, good show, boys. >> So, Hank, you think you'll get back? And PFT, you don't think they'll get back?

2:22:15 >> What? >> I You should do another five-year bet. >> You should do another five-year bet. >> Yeah, let's finish this bet first. >> Okay. Uh numbers >> 7 14 >> 100 >> 60 69 8 6 >> I'll go 98 >> 21. >> New lottery ball machine coming after Super Bowl. Very excited about that. Can't wait to break it in.

2:22:55 Oh, wait. No, 66. I thought it was 99 for a sweet pug. >> Happy birthday to Michael Greer. He initially entered his name into the database as Michael Greer for today's birthday and JJ McCarthy for today's birthday. It's not JJ McCarthy's birthday, but it is Michael Greer's birthday. Happy birthday. Love you guys. >> Happy birthday, Greer. >> Happy birthday, Greer. >> Oh, >> good show. >> Wait, wait, wait.

2:23:19 >> Jack Jack had 66. >> Jack, you got it. Why did YOU SPEAK? >> WHY DID YOU SAY ANYTHING? >> I can't see. I can't see what it is. Jack, you you've gotten it before, right? >> Yeah, this is my second time. >> Oh, okay. Nice. Good job, Jack. >> Thank you. >> Colton, have you gotten it? >> You got it. >> How can you >> kiss my ass, dude? >> I like that.

2:23:41 >> Kiss his ass. >> Kiss my ass, dude. Good job, Jack. >> Way to go. >> Do you need glasses? >> Although, >> I I need new contacts. >> You're standing up. I'll say this like of all the ones to get it, this might be the like getting it right before we get the new machine is just a waste. >> I've already said that once memes got it, it was like time for new machine and the [ __ ] chair, [ __ ] >> Yeah. So, actually you you lost I think here because I I was trying not to get it.

2:24:09 >> I should try that next time. >> Mission accomplished. >> Good job. >> Impressive. Love you guys.

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Who speaks in "Belichick Snubbed For Hall of Fame, DeAndre Hopkins Stops By, Hot Seat - Cool Throne + FAQS"?

PFT Commenter (Host), Big Cat (Host), DeAndre Hopkins (Guest).

What is "Belichick Snubbed For Hall of Fame, DeAndre Hopkins Stops By, Hot Seat - Cool Throne + FAQS" about?

The discussion centers on DeAndre Hopkins' interview, reflections on Championship Sunday, coaching changes in the NFL, particularly concerning the Browns and Eagles, and a new list from Zach for an upcoming 36-hour stream. The segment also includes updates on Pro Bowl news and answers to frequently asked questions.

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16 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including NFL, Shador Sanders, DeAndre Hopkins, Cleveland Browns, Bill Belichick, Jim Schwartz. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Belichick Snubbed For Hall of Fame, DeAndre Hopkins Stops By, Hot Seat - Cool Throne + FAQS"?

The episode runs 2 h 25 min; the transcript is about 31,077 words in 299 timestamped sections.

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