Supreme Court's Trump Tariff Ruling & Wexner's Epstein Depo w/ Rep. Randy Fine | PBD #743

What this episode is about

A concise overview of current legal and political developments, focusing on the Supreme Court’s Trump tariff ruling, the Epstein deposition coverage, and related political debate, including international arrests tied to Epstein and commentary on the Chicago Bears’ potential relocation. It highlights legal stakes, political reactions, and notable public figures involved.

Key takeaways

• Roving punditry aside, the speaker treats politics as theater, but real policy lingers in the wings.
• Epstein chatter hijacks headlines; the real story is how power shelters and why accountability trips.
• Bears-or-beyond: sports relocation as a tax commentary reveals cities weaponize incentives more than fans.
• Elon’s religious rumor mill mirrors brand risk: aura, not evidence, drives audience devotion and backlash.
• UFOs, aliens, and Epstein converge: curiosity catalyzes narratives while messy facts lag behind spectacle.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Pat (Guest) · 25 min speaking
• Rob (Guest) · 11 min speaking
• Randy Fine (Guest) · 30 min speaking
• Vinny (Guest) · 8 min speaking
• Adam (Guest) · 6 min speaking
• Tom (Guest) · 6 min speaking
• Elon Musk (Guest) · 3 min speaking
• Tim Allen (Guest) · 1 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 15:00: Chicago, Israel, New York City, New York, BB Netanyahu
2. 15:00 – 30:00: Israel, Florida, Randy Fine, Democratic Party
3. 30:00 – 45:00: Florida, Florida House, Israel, Andrew King Andrew King
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00: Andrew King Andrew King, Bill Gates, Ali Khamenei, Congressman Ro Khanna
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00: Israel, Iran, Ali Khamenei, Outdoor Tom
6. 1:30:00 – 1:45:00: Zohran Mamdani, Florida, New York City, New York
7. 1:45:00 – 2:00:00: Israel, Tucker Carlson, Andrew King Andrew King, Florida
8. 2:00:00 – 2:15:00: Chicago Bears, Chicago, Zohran Mamdani, Elon Musk

Notable quotes from "Supreme Court's Trump Tariff Ruling & Wexner's Epstein Depo w/ Rep. Randy Fine | PBD #743"

• Gave such a good talk that I almost had to fire him. So let's have that one ready as well. A couple other hot mic moments. Maybe we'll get to them. Netanyahu says if Iran…

  about Iran · at 2:45

• In recent times where people are coming here, and now they're demanding that we change how we live. I was responding to a post by a Mamdami advisor, and obviously we've seen…

  about New York City, New York · at 12:35

• Grocery store they can't sell it. And I think that is the issue that we have in our society. Living in peace does not mean you have to submit to the views of your neighbors.…

  about Randy Fine · at 19:49

• Only bothers you when Israel does it, that's anti-semitism and people conflate the two so I actually ran the anti-semitism bill here in Florida was one of my accomplishments…

  about Florida · at 23:20

• Into stories. Okay, thank you for addressing the stories, Randy. Rob, let's go into the first one. So the first one I want to get into is Epstein. Let's go with... this Lex…

  about Leslie Wexner · at 34:11

• Goes into this conversation here, including one of them being about Prince Andrew called to offer airplane sale purchase services. So, Adam, what are your thoughts here?…

  about Andrew King Andrew King · at 41:43

• Adam. Well, here's the part that nobody's talking about. It's systemic, this problem with these young women that are showing up. Because who is this guy, Les Wexner?

  about Nick Adam · at 42:58

• They don't have a choice. They have to go after somebody. This is what they need to do. They need to accuse Ayatollah Khomeini of being in the upstate. Well, by the way, do you…

  about Ali Khamenei · at 58:42

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Randy Fine — Person · Main guest · 4 mentions · first at 7:24
  Guest interviewed about controversial anti-Islam/dogs tweet, Israel vs America priorities, antisemitism legislation, and Iran policy.
• Leslie Wexner — Person · Referenced public figure · 1 mention · first at 34:20
  Central to Epstein segment: alleged gifting of Manhattan mansion, deposition clip, and discussion of ties to modeling/Victoria’s Secret.
• Ali Khamenei — Person · Referenced political leader · 3 mentions · first at 3:13
  Discussed as Iran’s leader, potential vulnerability, and as target of allegations; central to Iran regime-change talk.
• Andrew King Andrew King — Person · Referenced public figure · 10 mentions · first at 0:47
  Discussed as allegedly arrested overseas in Epstein-related context; used to argue U.S. pressure to arrest domestic elites.
• Nick Adam — Person · Co-host / panelist · 3 mentions · first at 0:14
  Frames Epstein discussion as systemic modeling-industry exploitation and argues for raising age norms.
• Outdoor Tom — Person · Co-host / panelist · 3 mentions · first at 35:26
  Provides commentary on legal strategy (Wexner deposition), faith discussion, and Iran/Russia/China military context.
  My job as your banker, not your job. You're paying me for this. We paid him a few million dollars. So I get the part that the lawyer is supposed to do this. But, Tom, what do…
• Zohran Mamdani — Person · Referenced political figure · 8 mentions · first at 5:45
  Referenced as elected figure in NYC context; used to frame claims about Islamization, taxes, and advisors' statements.
  Fantastic. We haven't responded to Mom Donnie doing a phenomenal job pushing people out of New York City. I hope he succeeds. I hope he crushes it. All the people that are now…
• BB Netanyahu — Person · Referenced political leader · 2 mentions · first at 2:53
  Cited for warning about Iran and as a figure the host says he has had on / receives backlash for hosting.
  Gave such a good talk that I almost had to fire him. So let's have that one ready as well. A couple other hot mic moments. Maybe we'll get to them. Netanyahu says if Iran…
• Bill Gates — Person · Referenced public figure · 5 mentions · first at 3:22
  Mentioned regarding canceling an India AI Summit appearance amid Epstein scrutiny and speculation about accountability.
  Back. Nope. His wife is go on. Hey, you want to invite me to talk about my ex-husband? Please. Yes. You're telling me she's playing offense? Oh, Pat. So what you're saying.…
• Elon Musk — Person · Referenced public figure · 3 mentions · first at 3:53
  Used as a cultural/political flashpoint via discussion of his alleged 'Team Jesus' stance and reactions on X.
  Miami are losing their mind, canceling their membership on X? Do you know what the hell is going on when he said he's Team Jesus? He hasn't said it fully yet. but I think he's…
• Congressman Ro Khanna — Person · Referenced politician · 2 mentions · first at 3:28
  Mentioned regarding forcing a vote on Iran and criticized by Randy Fine for naming allegedly innocent people in Epstein context.
  Something could happen. We'll see. I'm sure we have some differing opinions here that we'll have the conversation with. Bill Gates cancels appearance at India AI Summit amid…
• Tucker Carlson — Person · Referenced media personality · 8 mentions · first at 5:58
  Discussed as allegedly detained (or marketing stunt) and as an example of attention/marketing strategy.
  Tucker Carlson allegedly detained. And no one knows if he was detained or not detained or is a marketing stunt because he's in the airport or something taking pictures and…
• Massey — Person · Referenced politician · 2 mentions · first at 3:28
  Paired with Ro Khanna in discussion of forcing a war-powers vote on Iran.
  Something could happen. We'll see. I'm sure we have some differing opinions here that we'll have the conversation with. Bill Gates cancels appearance at India AI Summit amid…
• Kevin O'Leary — Person · Referenced media personality · 1 mention · first at 7:01
  Used as an example of confrontational media moments and marketing/attention dynamics.
  They're great marketers. Maybe Tucker needs to be a CMO. Maybe it's like more of a marketing mind than some. And by the way, maybe he did get detained. I don't know. We'll go…
• James Van Der Beek — Person · Referenced celebrity · 1 mention · first at 9:06
  Cited by Vinny as delivering a faith-related message about facing death, supporting the faith segment.
  Last week, James Van Der Beek had that message where he said, I was facing death nose to nose, and he looked so comfortable and so happy. We forgot that.
• Stephen Colbert — Person · Referenced media personality · 1 mention · first at 6:40
  Referenced as a marketing/attention strategy example ('Stephen Colbert strategy').
  By the way, I have a feeling this interview is going to get millions of views. It's the Stephen Colbert strategy, right? The FCC doesn't want to do this. I don't know. Or the…
• 50 Cent — Person · Referenced celebrity · 1 mention · first at 6:45
  Cited as an example of marketing/attention strategy alongside Stephen Colbert and Tucker Carlson.
  By the way, I have a feeling this interview is going to get millions of views. It's the Stephen Colbert strategy, right? The FCC doesn't want to do this. I don't know. Or the…
• Dear Abby — Person · Referenced media figure · 1 mention · first at 7:14
  Mentioned in passing during a segment about Kevin O'Leary and a CNN panel moment.
  They say, Kevin, we're going to give you a final word. What do you want to say? And he says, I just want to say, you guys are nuts. And Dear Abby loses her mind. If you guys…

Companies & orgs

• Florida House — Organization · Referenced government body · 4 mentions · first at 31:42
  Discussed in detail regarding voting procedure ('watch my button') and controversy around a viral video.
  Be in the speaker's office, you want to be in one of about 50 rooms off the chamber, they call it the blue carpet, if you ask another member to vote for you, you can do it. And…
• Democratic Party — Organization · Referenced political party · 3 mentions · first at 15:01
  Discussed as critics of Randy Fine and as party allegedly catering to certain viewpoints; also blamed for not investigating Epstein earlier.
  The Democrats have said for a long time, if you won't let anybody who wants come to America for any reason you're a racist. Then it was if you don't let anybody who wants to…
• Chicago Bears — Company · Referenced sports franchise · 17 mentions · first at 1:33
  Example of relocation/tax policy discussion; contrasted with 'Indiana Bears' joke framing.
  Research. Literally this morning, he's I got some things I want to talk to you guys about. With Epstein, number two, how about them Indiana Bears? I was excited about them…
• ISIS — Organization · Referenced terrorist organization · 2 mentions
  Referenced in faith segment about ISIS beheading Christian workers in Libya, illustrating 'faith over fear.'
• Republican Party — Organization · Referenced political party · 1 mention · first at 15:52
  Mentioned in AOC quote criticizing GOP for 'embracing' Fine; also implied via Fine’s affiliation.
  Don't want us to have dogs and they do not want to offend them. And this is AOC. This is generally one of the most disgusting statements I've ever seen issued by an American…
• Indiana Bears — Company · Referenced (joke/placeholder) sports franchise · 3 mentions · first at 1:27
  Used as shorthand for the Chicago Bears potentially relocating to Indiana; not an actual franchise in transcript.
  The first time, has some stuff he wants to say about Epstein that he did research. Literally this morning, he's I got some things I want to talk to you guys about. With…
• Citadel — Company · Referenced company · 2 mentions · first at 2:24
  Cited as an example of major entities leaving Chicago, supporting the taxes/migration narrative.
  Chicago, Citadel did, Ken Griffin did, a lot of people did. Now they're going to Indiana. We'll talk about the reasons behind that. Aside from that, we got a few other things…
• DOJ — Organization · Referenced government agency · 2 mentions · first at 6:19
  Mentioned in the same marketing-joke context and later in discussion of DOJ leadership under Biden vs Bondi.
  What a great way to launch an interview. we should do that moving forward, I think. I think moving forward, I'm being serious, Rob. Moving forward, we should say, right before…
• ICE — Organization · Referenced government agency · 2 mentions · first at 7:17
  Mentioned regarding withdrawing ICE agents and an 'ICE activist' memorial story.
  To say? And he says, I just want to say, you guys are nuts. And Dear Abby loses her mind. If you guys know who Dear Abby is, she's a sweetheart. And then Dave Chappelle lays…
• APAC — Organization · Referenced organization · 1 mention · first at 4:16
  Mentioned as allegedly DMing Elon Musk in reaction to 'Team Jesus' comment; used rhetorically.
  Miami are losing their mind, canceling their membership on X? Do you know what the hell is going on when he said he's Team Jesus? He hasn't said it fully yet. but I think he's…
• Hyatt — Company · Referenced company · 1 mention · first at 5:02
  Mentioned via 'Hyatt Chairman Pritzker leaves board over Epstein ties' headline.
  I'm getting manects from Messiah. And by the way, it's actually a compliment if it is the Messiah. But, okay, so that's that. Now, look, a couple other stories I got here to go…
• Palantir — Company · Referenced company · 1 mention · first at 5:54
  Mentioned for moving headquarters to Miami, reinforcing business relocation theme.
  Not him. So we'll talk about the Mamdani budget. We'll talk about New York losing jobs to Texas. And then we got a few other things that we'll get into here with the power. Iran, we have to talk about. Palantir moving headquarters to Miami.
• AP — Organization · Referenced news organization · 1 mention · first at 4:16
  Mentioned as part of the host’s rhetorical commentary about Elon Musk ('APAC DMed him...').
  Miami are losing their mind, canceling their membership on X? Do you know what the hell is going on when he said he's Team Jesus? He hasn't said it fully yet. but I think he's…
• FBI — Organization · Referenced law enforcement agency · 1 mention · first at 6:19
  Mentioned jokingly as part of a 'marketing strategy' about claiming FBI/DOJ interference.
  What a great way to launch an interview. we should do that moving forward, I think. I think moving forward, I'm being serious, Rob. Moving forward, we should say, right before…

Products & tech

• X — Product · Referenced platform · 1 mention · first at 4:08
  Mentioned as the platform where people would 'cancel membership' in reaction to Elon Musk.
  Musk said? Elon Musk, this is a debate on today's podcast, folks. Elon Musk is Team Jesus? Are you kidding me? Do you know how many people in Miami are losing their mind…

Concepts & topics

• UFOs — Concept · Referenced topic · 1 mention · first at 3:34
  Mentioned as Pentagon files Trump would release; used as contrast/joke vs Epstein files.
  Have the conversation with. Bill Gates cancels appearance at India AI Summit amid Epstein scrutiny. Ro Khanna and Massey plan to force war, force power vote on Iran. Trump says…
• fentanyl — Concept · Referenced public health topic · 1 mention · first at 8:54
  Mentioned via Vinny’s personal story of losing friends to fentanyl poisoning.
  Pat, I love you, and thank you. God literally saved me. And I'm here now because God, the story was, saw Pat on Instagram, clicked on it, saw that he was a Syrian. I just lost…
• Artificial Intelligence — Concept · Referenced topic · 1 mention · first at 3:22
  Appears in the Bill Gates/India AI Summit headline; not substantively discussed beyond that.
  To Iran, no matter how tough Khamenei keeps acting, on any given day, any second, something could happen. We'll see. I'm sure we have some differing opinions here that we'll…

Places & events

• Iran — Place · Core geopolitical topic · 2 mentions · first at 2:53
  Central foreign-policy discussion: nuclear program, ICBMs, potential U.S. strike, and regime change implications.
• Israel — Place · Core geopolitical topic · 28 mentions · first at 3:05
  Discussed in relation to Iran, antisemitism/criticism boundaries, and U.S.-Israel aligned interests per guest.
  Them. Netanyahu says if Iran attacks, they will face a response they can't imagine. I don't know if that's the case because Iran's not going to attack. And Israel is probably…
• Florida — Place · Primary setting / political context · 17 mentions · first at 7:50
  Episode references Florida politics (Florida House rules, antisemitism bill, border/ICE talk) and guest’s identity as Floridian.
• New York City, New York — Place · Referenced city / culture-war example · 3 mentions · first at 5:12
  Discussed regarding Islam/dogs controversy, call-to-prayer claims, and tax/policy pushing jobs to Texas.
• Chicago — Place · Referenced city / economic migration example · 15 mentions · first at 1:33
  Used to discuss businesses/teams leaving due to taxes (Citadel, Bears relocation narrative).
  Each other yesterday, but I think they reached out to me, but we missed each other. If the team is leaving your place and you don't make that phone call, what kind of a mayor…
• Miami — Place · Referenced city / business relocation example · 2 mentions · first at 4:02
  Mentioned as destination for Palantir HQ move and as a cultural reference point for reactions to Elon Musk.
  Not him. So we'll talk about the Mamdani budget. We'll talk about New York losing jobs to Texas. And then we got a few other things that we'll get into here with the power. Iran, we have to talk about. Palantir moving headquarters to Miami.
• New Albany — Place · Referenced location in Epstein allegations · 2 mentions · first at 41:08
  Mentioned in Maria Farmer allegation context tied to Epstein/Wexner Ohio property area.
  Yours truly best, something like that. And then he addressed the accusations of Maria Farmer. Wexner fielded several questions about Maria Farmer, who accused Epstein and…
• Munich — Place · Referenced event location · 2 mentions · first at 2:39
  Mentioned as location of Marco Rubio speech referenced by Trump and later tied to discussion of UK grooming gangs.
  Other things that's going on. Trump had the border piece meeting yesterday, which I don't know if, Rob, if you saw that funny clip, I don't know if you have it where he says…
• Texas — Place · Referenced destination state · 1 mention · first at 5:45
  Mentioned as a place gaining jobs from New York due to policy/tax dynamics.
  Only people that gave free stuff out was a private corporation, not him. A private corporation gave a few things out for two or three days is what they did, not him. So we'll…
• India — Place · Referenced country · 1 mention · first at 3:22
  Mentioned as location of AI Summit Bill Gates canceled amid Epstein scrutiny.
  To Iran, no matter how tough Khamenei keeps acting, on any given day, any second, something could happen. We'll see. I'm sure we have some differing opinions here that we'll…
• Washington — Place · Referenced state · 1 mention · first at 5:07
  Mentioned in headline about Washington Senate approving income tax on millionaires.
  If it is the Messiah. But, okay, so that's that. Now, look, a couple other stories I got here to go through as well. Hyatt Chairman Pritzker leaves board over Epstein ties. Holy shit. Washington Senate okays income tax on millionaires.

Full transcript with timestamps

0:05 Did you ever think you would make it? I feel I'm so pissed like it tastes sweet victory. I know this life meant for me. Adam, what's your point? The future looks bright. My handshake is better than anything I ever signed, right here. You are a one-on-one? My son's right there. I don't think I've ever said this before.

0:31 All right, so we got a lot of crazy things going on, folks. I don't know if you heard it or not. First time in 400 years, somebody in the royal family got arrested. First time in 400 years that this hasn't happened. And Vinny has. Who was the person 400 years ago? Because he's fact-checking. He wants to know what happened 400 years ago. And now it's Prince Andrews. So there's some arrests taking place with this Epstein stuff in other countries. People are asking, how come not in America? Then yesterday, this man who is... very kind, very given, who gifted Epstein the biggest private residence in Manhattan, 54,000 square foot property, that's worth some $77 million. He's speaking yesterday, and his lawyer leans over and whispers to him, I swear to God, if you say one more effing word, I will kill you. It's made for TV. You have to see it. And then Tom, for the first time, has some stuff he wants to say about Epstein that he did

1:25 research. Literally this morning, he's like, I got some things I want to talk to you guys about. With Epstein, number two, how about them Indiana Bears? I was excited about them Indiana Bears, right? Chicago Bears. If you would have told me the Bears are leaving Chicago, I would have never believed that's going to take place. That is something that makes zero sense to move the Bears out of Chicago. There are so many teams you can do that with. You can do it with the Clippers. You can do it with the Chargers. You can do it with the Cardinals. You can do it with so many different teams. The Bears?

2:01 You're going to do it with the Bears? Chicago? And why? Wait till you see why. Taxes. And then the mayor is like, yeah, you know, we kind of missed each other yesterday, but I think they reached out to me, but we missed each other. If the team is leaving your place and you don't make that phone call, what kind of a mayor are you? Pathetic that another great organization is leaving Chicago. Chicago, Citadel did, Ken Griffin did, a lot of people did. Now they're going to Indiana. We'll talk about the reasons behind that. Aside from that, we got a few other things that's going on. Trump had the border piece meeting yesterday, which I don't know if, Rob, if you saw that funny clip, I don't know if you have it where he says, Marco Rubio did such a good job in Munich that I almost fired him. You know, the guy's sense of humor. He's like, he gave such a good talk that I almost had to fire him. So let's have

2:49 that one ready as well. A couple other hot mic moments. Maybe we'll get to them. Netanyahu says if Iran attacks, they will face a response they can't imagine. I don't know if that's the case because Iran's not going to attack. And Israel is probably going to be attacking those guys. I'm sure we're going to have a conversation about that here because every day, at any given moment, anything can happen to Iran, no matter how tough Khamenei keeps acting, on any given day, any second, something could happen. We'll see. I'm sure we have some differing opinions here that we'll have the conversation with. Bill Gates cancels appearance at India AI Summit amid Epstein scrutiny. Ro Khanna and Massey plan to force war, force power vote on Iran. Trump says he's directing the Pentagon to release the files on UFOs. Like, I mean, if you're not going to go after the Epstein files, at least go catch some aliens, right? You got to go get somebody. I mean,

3:46 it's like. Let's arrest some aliens. Can you imagine that? Like, we've got to arrest some aliens, and we're going to figure this part out. There's some urgency to it. Elon Musk. You know what Elon said? The best. Do you guys know what Elon Musk said? Elon Musk, this is a debate on today's podcast, folks. Elon Musk is Team Jesus? Are you kidding me? Do you know how many people in Miami are losing their mind, canceling their membership on X? Do you know what the hell is going on when he said he's Team Jesus? He hasn't said it fully yet. but I think he's close. It was so disturbing that APAC DMed him saying, what do you need from us, right? To be able to not get you to go team Jesus. But anyways, we'll see what's going to happen with them. Can you imagine if all of a sudden you see Elon Musk doing interviews on podcast, he's got a cross on. What that would look like. Can you imagine Elon's doing a

4:32 podcast with a cross on. Was he not Christian? No, Elon's not. What is he? I think Elon's probably a materialist, atheist, like probably one of those super highly intelligent. He's never spoken. There's something out there. I just don't know what it is. There's a guy that's manectomy. We're going back and forth. He claims he's the Messiah. He wants me to put him in contact with Elon. Oh, God. This is actually serious. I'm getting manects from Messiah. And by the way, you know, it's actually a compliment if it is the Messiah. But, okay, so that's that. Now, look, a couple other stories I got here to go through as well. Hyatt Chairman Pritzker leaves board over Epstein ties. Holy shit. Washington Senate okays income tax on millionaires.

5:12 Fantastic. We haven't responded to Mom Donnie doing a phenomenal job pushing people out of New York City. I hope he succeeds. I hope he crushes it. All the people that are now upset coming out, there's a video that Vinny's got saying, you ain't going to raise taxes on our property. You voted for this guy. What do you think he was going to do to you? You think he was just kidding with a smile? You think he was just joking, talking about all this free stuff? The only people that gave free stuff out was a private corporation, not him. A private corporation gave a few things out for two or three days is what they did, not him. So we'll talk about the Mamdani budget. We'll talk about New York losing jobs to Texas. And then we got a few other things that we'll get into here with the power. Iran, we have to talk about. Palantir moving headquarters to Miami.

5:58 Tucker Carlson allegedly detained. And no one knows if he was detained or not detained or is a marketing stunt because he's in the airport or something taking pictures and selfies with guys. So I don't know if he was detained. But by the way, what a great way to launch an interview. You know, we should do that moving forward, I think. I think moving forward, I'm being serious, Rob. Moving forward, we should say, you know, right before launching this podcast, the FBI showed up and the DOJ showed up not allowing to release it And even with the risk of going to prison, we decided to release this interview. But watch it ASAP in case the guests take you down. Great strategy. Let's make a note of it, right?

6:37 By the way, I have a feeling this interview is going to get millions of views. It's the Stephen Colbert strategy, right? The FCC doesn't want to do this. I don't know. Or the 50-cent strategy. 50-cent, Stephen Colbert, Tucker, whatever you want to call it. Either way, they're all crushing it. Whether you agree with their philosophies or not, they're great marketers. Maybe Tucker needs to be a CMO. Maybe it's like more of a marketing mind than some. And by the way, maybe he did get detained. I don't know. We'll go through it. Kevin O'Leary verbally brawls with left-wing CNN panelists, and they say, Kevin, we're going to give you a final word. What do you want to say? And he says, I just want to say, you guys are nuts. And Dear Abby loses her mind. If you guys know who Dear Abby is, she's a sweetheart. And then Dave Chappelle lays flowers at Memorial at an anti-act... ICE activist Alex Priddy, he does that. And we have a guest here today, Randy Fine.

7:29 We have him here today because I really wonder if, Randy, truly, if you're saying all this stuff to piss people off, if you truly are rage-baiting, or if you actually believe in it. Quite frankly, I really don't know. And I wanted to ask you point blank. When we start the podcast, I'm going to go straight to it because I want to know, are you, you know, because we got a lot of – we're in Florida. We got a lot of – I have people that don't like me because I had Nick Fuentes on and Jews who are upset with me because I'll talk to anybody and everybody. And I get a lot of people that hate when I have Netanyahu on. But I'll talk to anybody and everybody. But I want to know if you're pro-Florida, if you're Florida first, if you're America first or Israel first. And some of the stuff that you talk about is a little bit concerning for people that are even Jewish. And I want to know what you would

8:13 say to some of those people. Sounds great. And we'll get into that right off the bat. But having said that, Vinny... One thing about Vinny that I love, he's becoming a great example to everybody around here, and that includes myself. I'm so proud of Vinny. Yesterday we were having dinner with two of our friends, Brian and Tom, who were there with us, and we had dinner. You saw them earlier. You were speaking to them. And he says, how did you guys meet Vinny? And I started telling the story about Vinny, where he went to, where he's at right now. Life-changing what this man has turned into. Vinny, share with us what you got going on.

8:44 Pat, I love you, and thank you. God literally saved me. And I'm here now because God, the story was, saw Pat on Instagram, clicked on it, saw that he was a Syrian. I just lost two friends to fentanyl poisoning, not overdose, because they didn't. And God got me to where I am right now. And for you guys that know, my biggest thing is faith over fear and having faith in Jesus Christ. Last week, James Van Der Beek had that message where he said, I was facing death nose to nose, and he looked so comfortable and so happy. We forgot that.

9:15 I don't know if you guys remember, on February 15th was the anniversary of 2015 when the ISIS soldiers, whatever, terrorists, whatever you want to call them, were in Libya, and they captured 20 Christian construction workers, put them down. Rob has a photo in orange jumpsuits, put knives to their heads, and they said, if you guys right now convert to Islam, we won't behead you. And these 20, I knew this was going to happen, 20 construction workers said, this is what they said, they said no. I love you, Jesus Christ, and they cut all their heads off. I know I talk about faith over fear. That right there is, these are construction workers, Pat. They're not priests. They're not the Pope. They're not, these are just regular guys that all sat there, hands tied behind their back, and they said, nope, we believe in Jesus Christ.

10:03 That is the epitome of faith over fear. God bless them. God rest their souls. And that is it. Because Jesus said, by the way, John chapter 14, 6 said what, Tom? I am the way, I am the truth, and I am the life. Nobody gets to me except to the Father, except to me, to Jesus Christ. Period. Absolutely. People, they were in fear at that time. There was early persecution going on. If you were a Jewish person at that time and you were now listening to Jesus, the Jewish leaders of the time were like, this rabbi here is a heretic.

10:34 He's saying things that are way out of bounds. And persecuted started, and they were scared. They were scared. In that same passage where he says, I am the way, right before that, he says to Thomas, he said, do not let your hearts be troubled. I am with you. And this is... It takes strength. It takes strength in knowing where eternity is to sit there and to, as Christ did on the cross, just to give it up and saying, look, I am not going to betray my Savior. I am not going to be the heretic on this side. And it says, take my life if God allows you to take it. Because if you do it, God is only permitting it, not causing it. I love it, Tom. I love it. Vinny. So, yeah, and I just want to make sure I'm the way and the truth and the lies. No one gets to the Father through me. And it's just that right there is the epitome of faith over fear, and I just can't.

11:21 It's almost as if every week something else is happening that's proving it and showing it, and I pray that I have that much faith if it ever comes down to it, and I pray that I get it. Got it. Awesome. And by the way, I love seeing the faith over fear hats, shirts, everything that you got. If you feel the same way, go to vtmerch.com. Place an order for yourself, your family, and your friends. All right, let's get right into it. Randy. Yep. with Rob if you can pull out one of the tweets let's kind of go through it I really you know I see this tweet that's been going viral the last few days if they force us to choose between dogs and Muslims would you say if they choose to do the choice between dogs and Muslim is not a difficult one okay got 45 million views do you really believe this or are you rage baiting I think the answer is neither and I would I think that you've got to understand thanks for having me by the way I live in fear of

12:15 what is to come. And I actually think the story you just told is what drives me. I live in fear of a world where we are told that we have to live in a way different than we want. It used to be if you came to the United States, you integrated with our values, you love this country, and you said you wanted to be part of it. And we've had this issue in recent times where people are coming here, and now they're demanding that we change how we live. I was responding to a post by a Mamdami advisor, and obviously we've seen craziness happen in New York since he was elected, who posted, finally, and I'm not going to read it, but it's basically, it says, finally New York City is coming to Islam. Dogs are unclean. They should not be indoor pets.

12:59 Now, people don't know this, and I'm not criticizing Islam for this, they don't like dogs. I'm Jewish, we don't eat shrimp. I mean, different religions believe different things. The problem is, is that they want to compel us to live in a way that we do not wanna live. And so my post was very simple. It said, if you make us choose, if the mumdamis of the world make us choose between having our pets And having them live near us who have come to this country and don't want us to have our pets, they can go home. Now, I told you, I am afraid about the future of the country. I'm also afraid, I'm not afraid to be blunt. And I also know how to start a conversation. And that is what this did. It got people talking. What's extraordinary is people aren't talking about what's going on in New York. People weren't talking about comments like this. People weren't talking about the call to prayer not being broadcast at five o'clock in the morning

13:55 in New York. People weren't talking about the kinds of people he is putting into office. People aren't talking about what is to come. Now they are talking, and I think that's an important conversation to have because we're America. We love our dogs and no one's going to tell us that we can't have them. So what was she talking about? What is she saying? This lady right here. What is she referencing? In Islam, they don't like dogs. Dogs are not are not halal. They are haram. Muslims generally don't have dogs as pets. They don't like them. And I'm not criticizing it. This is just a simple fact. Hindus like cows. Jews don't like don't like pork. It's just part of the faith. And she is saying, And she's an important Muslim leader in New York and she is saying something very clear. I, if it's up to me, we're getting rid of your dogs as pets. 65% of American households own a dog. And if you want to come to this country and be a

14:51 part of America as all of us did, that's great. But you don't get to move here and then demand that we change how we live. And this is crazy. The Democrats have said for a long time, if you won't let anybody who wants come to America for any reason you're a racist. Then it was if you don't let anybody who wants to come to America come to America and have all the free stuff they want, free housing, free food, free health care, you're a racist. Now what they're saying is if we won't change how we live to accommodate newcomers who don't like dogs, you're a racist. And I would last say this. I have been criticized by dozens and dozens and dozens of Democrats for what I said. Not one of them has said, I disagree with the way you phrased it. But in America, I'm going to make sure you have the right to own a dog. Not one of them. You know why? Because they know that this group of people exists that

15:45 don't want us to have dogs and they do not want to offend them. And this is AOC. This is generally one of the most disgusting statements I've ever seen issued by an American official. It should not stop shocking us that Republican Party openly embraces this. Fine should be censored and stripped of committees. To ignore this is to accept and normalize it. By the way, does AOC have a dog? I'm curious. Can you check to see if AOC has a dog? And how many of AOC's constituents own dogs? And I'd point out this. When her colleague, Ilhan Omar, said some people did something on 9-11 where people actually died, that wasn't disgusting and horrible? I mean, the problem is there's this desire to cater to... to this viewpoint, to not offend, to say that we must submit. I don't care how people live. I don't care what your religion is. Practice it in freedom. Practice it in peace. But it is, it is, it is, this, what they're trying to do

16:40 to me is the first step on the path to the story that you told. It will start with, you can't have dogs. And then it will be, you can't eat certain things. And then it will be, you must cover yourself. And then it will be, submit or we're going to do what they did to you. That is the issue that we are up against. And I am willing to have that conversation, as are many of my other colleagues, which is to say, this is the United States of America. If you want to come here, that's great. Live how you want. Live in peace and freedom. But you don't get to tell us how to live.

17:10 And by the way, just do a quick fact check. Rob, phenomenal job, as usual. AOC does own a dog. His name is Deco. a French bulldog, and she introduced a puppy in early 2020s. And anyway, she has a dog. But do you not think this gives the other side ammunition? Do you think this doesn't get the other side to say, look what these Republicans are all about. They compare Muslims to dogs and they think Muslims are below dogs. Do you think that is something where even, you know, a community that supports you might say, Randy, what are you doing? What are you saying? I don't. I think you have to be willfully sort of ignorant to take that view because I put up in my post her comment. So it was obvious what I was responding to. But you know what the number one reaction I've gotten to people since I've made the post has been when people call me?

17:54 They say they don't like dogs. Like, people can't believe it. Like, who doesn't like dogs? I think we have this problem in this country that we believe that we're all one giant human family, that we all share the same values, that we're all the same, and we can sit around the fire and solve everything. That's not necessarily true. There are different cultures believe in different things, and sometimes, as Charlie Kirk said, certain cultures are incompatible with ours. And I would make the argument that those people who think that we shouldn't have dogs, there are many countries where you can go to do that. But this is not an outlandish thing. In Morocco, they're shooting three million dogs. In Judea and Samaria, the mayor paid a $5 bounty for every dog that you killed. There's a video that's circulating of right here in South Florida of a woman walking her dog and a Muslim immigrant who didn't even speak English basically

18:43 coming up and putting his finger across his throat if she didn't walk away with her dog. This is a commonly held view, and I think raising up awareness of what we are up against is an important thing. I am not saying, and I don't think it's fair to interpret my comment as saying, Muslims are lower than dogs. I'm not saying that. I'm saying if I have a choice. That's what it sounds like. Well, I think that's how it sounds. That's what some people interpret that as. Well, I mean, if you want to go back to it, I don't want to be a jerk here, but if they force us to choose between dogs and Muslims, you choose dogs. If they force us to choose. If they force us to choose.

19:18 That's the issue. Women like this Nurdine person want us to choose. She's saying you can't have your dog. And I'm saying if I have to give up my dog, you can leave. The important part of the phrase is don't make us choose. Come here, practice your religion. Whether I like it or not, do what you want in peace. But do not force the rest of us to submit to your philosophy. No, I don't think any human being is lower than anyone else. But I also think the fact that I don't eat pork is doesn't mean that I should tell the grocery store they can't sell it. And I think that is the issue that we have in our society. Living in peace does not mean you have to submit to the views of your neighbors. Fair enough. Okay, so next one. Are you Florida first, America first, or Israel first? Well, I would say I'm trying to think between Florida first and America first. I think I'm both. I'm a third generation Floridian. My grandfather

20:11 came to Florida not long after he got off the boat. I did not spend most of my childhood here. I grew up in Kentucky. My dad was a college professor. Went off, started a business, started three software companies. They all did fairly well. Retired at 40. Never thought I'd get into politics. I got into it because I got angry about what my son was learning in school. And when I went to the school to complain, I got told I wasn't qualified to have an opinion about my son's education because I did not have a degree in academic administration. I went to a reasonably good college. I was complaining about first grade math. I should have been qualified to do that. So I ran for the legislature and I made three promises. I said, I'm going to change how we teach math, which I did in my second year. I'm going to make sure no principal ever tells a parent they're not qualified to have an opinion about their kid's education. I did that in my

20:57 fifth year and that principal is no longer a principal and I'm in Congress. So it clearly worked out okay. And I said, I put my kid in private school but I felt bad that I could do it because I had money but other people couldn't and I said we're gonna make universal school choice happen in Florida and I did that in my seventh year then I ended up in the state Senate because I needed something else to do and then two weeks after President Trump got elected for the second time in the presidency he asked me to run for Congress again and that's why I am there I'm America first I'm an American I believe America is the last best hope for the world and you can see so much badness out there we have goodness here and that's why I am so worried about all the threats that are being put on America today. All of the people who hate it, who hate what made us great, who want us to change. There's nothing

21:42 wrong with America. Now I am Jewish and I believe in Israel, absolutely, but I believe in Israel because I believe the interests of Israel and America are largely the same. Israel fights the enemy over there so we don't have to fight them over here. Why are we upset with Iran? Because Iran wants to build an intercontinental ballistic missile that could get to the United States. They don't need them. They don't need them. They have missiles that can reach Israel. They have missiles that can reach Europe. Why do they need to build an intercontinental ballistic missile? Israel's enemies are our enemies.

22:12 I often say the reason they hate Israel is because Israel is small and Israel is close to where they are. And so I believe standing with Israel stands with a country that largely shares the same values that we do. Does that mean I think we should put the interest of America over Israel? No, but I haven't seen an instance where that is the case. Did you say does that mean we should put the interest of America over Israel? No. Does that mean we should put the interest of Israel over America? Okay, I want to make sure. If I misspoke, I apologize. But no, we should not. But I have yet to see an instance where standing with Israel is not a good thing for the United States as well. Got it. So, you know, I think there was something, a discussion maybe a year ago or something like that, where, you know, the level of criticism where if somebody says, if somebody criticizes Israel, it can be seen as a anti-Semitic, you

23:00 know, individual. Where do you stand with people being able to criticize Israel? I think it's fine. But here's where a form of anti-Semitism comes in. And this is actually one of the most insidious forms of anti-Semitism. When you criticize Israel for something that you don't criticize any other country for, when it only bothers you when Israel does it, that's anti-semitism and people conflate the two so I actually ran the anti-semitism bill here in Florida was one of my accomplishments it's why Florida is the safest place in America to be Jewish and our bill said people say you said you can't criticize Israel I said no first off you can say anything you want but when we defined anti-semitism we said if you're criticizing Israel in a way that you don't criticize other places let me give a great example I think is the best example Think of all of the people that lost their minds for two years over the war in Gaza. Oh my God, they're killing all

23:56 these civilians. Oh my God, and we can get into that. Lost their mind. We're gonna shut down colleges. We're gonna block roads. We're gonna protest in New York. The Iranian leadership probably killed more civilians in two days when they were protesting than Israel may have killed civilians in a two-year war where 1,000 Jewish soldiers died in order to minimize the number of Gaza Arabs that died. But where are the protests? Where are people shutting down our colleges and universities? Where are they marching through the streets in New York saying, this is unbelievable, the Iranian people, we need to be standing up for them. They're silent. In fact, many of them are saying, don't attack Iran. Let that continue to happen. When you single Israel out, for things that other countries do all the time, that is antisemitism. But criticizing Israel like we criticize every other country, we should do that, and I encourage

24:49 it. I've done it myself. So, how closely do you follow what Charlie said about Iran? I mean, a little bit. How closely do you follow? When he ran a poll, should U.S. attack Iran or not? And by the way, just so you know, this is what's confusing here. I'm a guy that believes the world's a better place Without IRGC. Me too. I'm a guy that lived there 11 years. I lived there 11 years. I know what the Hezbollahs are all about. I know how they treat women. I know the fears of individuals that are living there. We were a Christian family, Assyrian, Armenian, and I'm there. But to me, if somebody wants to only criticize Israel, and if you do, I want to be able to prevent you from giving your opinion or just label them. What is your outcomes? Do you want to label that individual as an anti-Semite or do you want them to not be able to make the comments that they're making? Because those are two different things. Let me be clear. Please. This is the United States of America.

25:47 If you want to call me the K-word or anything else or refer to me however you want, you have the absolute right to do that. I always say you have the right to be an idiot in America. No one should be arrested or for anything that they want to say, unless they're saying, hey, I'm coming to kill you. I mean, things like that. And by the way, I can tell you, I'm an expert in this. If you go to my average social media post, you will find people saying the most filthy things about me and Jews. And that's okay, that is America. No one should have someone come to their door. There was an instance in Florida a few weeks ago where the police went to someone's door because she made, I guess, some anti-Semitic remarks. That should not ever happen in the United States. Now, if she said, hey, I'm going to kill people, I'm going to go kill Jews, that's different. But I don't like Jewish people. That's allowed in America.

26:39 That's allowed to be said. There should never be a criminalization about it. So I can openly criticize you don't have a problem with that. When does it become a problem? You just want the world to know that I'm an anti, like you would say, I want that guy to be labeled as an anti-Semite. I don't even know that I want that. So then why do you need that legislation in Florida? Sure, let me give you a great example. I'll give you a couple. So I'll tell you a couple bills that I passed. The only two bills that have ever been signed in the history of Florida, outside of Florida. In 2019, we had this problem of anti-Semitism on our college campuses. People would say, gas the Jews, all kinds of terrible things. And I said, you know, every time I tried to deal with anti-Semitism, people would say, you know, free speech, free speech, free speech. And I said, yeah, but what happens if you use the N-word on a college campus? It turns out

27:27 within about 10 seconds, you get invited to go get your education somewhere else. No one talks about free speech. What do you mean by that? What do you mean if you use the N-word? If you call another student the N-word on campus, they don't say, oh, free speech, good for you. You get expelled because you can't do that sort of thing. Got it. So what I did in 2019 is I passed a law that defined anti-Semitism. It said, for example, one of the things was if you single out Israel in the way you don't single out other places, it defined— But what if I do? What if I do that? So what if I do?

28:02 Okay. So I'm going to get to that. That's the second part of the bill. The bill said you have to treat anti-Semitism the same way you treat racism. So however you treat racism, if you'll allow the Ku Klux Klan to light a cross in the college green— then you can let Students for Justice in Palestine come in and say, from the river to the sea, let's get rid of all the Jews. That's the bill. No, I'm with that. I'm with the part of both sides. Right, all I wanted in that bill was to say, I'm going to define anti-Semitism and say you have to treat it as racism. Let me give you a second example.

28:37 If someone wants to stand on the street outside your building here and wave a sign that says Randy Fine should be fed into the ovens, They have the right to do that in the United States. That's not a crime. But if someone wants to write that down on a piece of paper and throw that onto my yard, that's not speaking, that's littering. And that is a crime. If someone wants to graffiti my building with that, that's not speaking. That's a crime. What's your point? That's the second bill that we passed that dealt with that. But I will tell you, the people who dislike these things conflate these things into saying we're criminalizing speech. We never have. But I think what it does, honestly, I think what it does is you're only making the other side even want to go even stronger. Actually. Well, let me give my thoughts, and then I'll hear your thoughts. You know, if kids are rage-baiting, Twitter, there's a lot of rage-baiters there. You know what I've

29:39 learned very quickly? If a kid is rage baiting, wants to get your attention, if you fight him, he will continue and get louder and louder. And 80 other people will join him because they're like, oh, my God, I can get a reaction out of him. If you're like, listen, he can say what he wants to say and she can say it as well. Let's just move on. And then the story goes away. And then when the story comes on, Iran, the same amount of people get killed in a day as they got over there and say, you're quiet about it? The people in the middle are like, wait a minute, how come you're not saying, I was actually on your side now, Propel, now you're not doing anything? Wait, wait, wait, the logic doesn't add up. So the logical people end up getting what's going on. The reasonable people who run America, it's not the people on the far left or the far right that run America, it's the people in the middle like, yeah,

30:23 okay, all right, but you know what? I don't want to see kids getting killed and you tweeting and saying, who cares? I don't want to see this, I don't want to see that, I'm not with that, what is that? That's a turnoff to me. And on this at Iran, well, how come you didn't say anything? You know what? Both parties are extreme. Relax, guys. Pump the flipping brakes. Let's go back to a little bit of being here and allow me to criticize Bibi. Allow me to criticize Israel. Allow me to criticize the president. Allow me to criticize all these folks.

30:50 And let's just debate about it. And you're like, okay, you just made a good point. Fair. That's a good point, Randy. Let's move on. But to me, I think when it gets too much of, hey, then it's like, then maybe those guys are kind of protected. Why are they protected over other people? Look what happened with Harvard. when they were overly protecting certain kids and now they're paying what kind of lawsuit money? I don't know what the number they have to pay out. A billion or two billion. And I think that's okay. Because you got to kind of that part of it, I'm with it. Because they were siding with a certain group of people.

31:19 But I think you're playing with fire when you try to do too much with it. Let me do the last one and then we'll get into the stories. Rob, can you do me a favor, Rob? What happened here? Randy, I really want to know from you, the video of you going here, what the hell is going on here? Can you please... break this down because this one viral everywhere what is this? We can come back to this being a great example of anti-semitism. Can you turn off the music Rob as good as it is? Yeah. So I served in the Florida House for eight years and if you were to go to the Florida House today you would see 30 or 40 people doing exactly this. So in the Florida House they have we have sessions that sometimes last four, six, eight, ten, twelve hours And during those sessions, there could be 10, 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 votes.

32:05 And a vote in the Florida House lasts six seconds long. So imagine being on the floor for 12 hours, never knowing when you're going to have to vote. And when the vote opens, it's six seconds long. You could never go to the bathroom. You could never get something to eat. You could never work on another bill because that's going on at the same time. So the Florida House has a rule that says if you give another member permission, um, and you need to go to the bathroom, you want to sit in the members lounge in the back, you want to be in the speaker's office, you want to be in one of about 50 rooms off the chamber, they call it the blue carpet, if you ask another member to vote for you, you can do it. And so we actually call it, will you watch my button? That's actually the term that is used for this. And so this is actually how the Florida House operates and everyone does it, Republican and Democrat, it's

32:54 not against the rules. In fact, the speaker of the house rarely is on the floor during the session. Someone sits next to his desk and it is his job to push the button and vote for the speaker because he's in his office working on other things. Why did everyone go crazy about this? It's what we talked about. When you criticize Israel or a Jewish person for something that... Oh, stop it. No, no, but that's what... Oh, give me a break. But I'm not wrong about this. Then why are you scoping around? I'm not in that world. Actually, I can tell you. In that video? Yeah, please. Because... It was my job to make sure everyone's buttons were covered. That's my job. And if you zoom out in that video, you can see actually three or four or five other people doing the same thing. By the way, Republicans do it. Democrats do it. That's just how the Florida House works.

33:39 Call any member. The guy right there whose head you see, he's doing it as well. By the way, if this was a leftist, we would show it. If this was a leftist, we would show it. We're not like— People aren't posting the videos of leftists doing it. I guarantee you Republicans— Because it's not a big deal. Of course it would be a big deal if it happened with somebody on the left. You don't think the Benny Johnsons and the conservative guys and the Knicks, you don't think those guys would? You don't think Libs of TikTok would do it? I don't know what's going on here, but anyways, I appreciate you addressing it to talk about this. I wanted to get that part out, and then from here, let's just go into stories. Okay, thank you for addressing the stories, Randy. Rob, let's go into the first one. So the first one I want to get into is Epstein. Let's go with... this Lex Wexner, am I saying the name correctly, Rob, or no? So

34:26 this is the guy that gave the largest Manhattan private residence $54,000, gifted it to Epstein, and this is documented, very wealthy man. Here he is being talked about, you know, what's going on with Epstein, and look at the lawyer to his right, our left, Look what he whispers, and one thing we know, his parents should have told him when he was a kid, you have no clue how to whisper, buddy. Moving forward, never, ever whisper again. But go ahead, Rob. It was just regularly done.

35:05 I'm going to effing kill you if you answer one more question with more than five words. Is that what he said? That's what he said. He said, shut your – which I get it. It's for a lawyer. But if he's telling the truth, he doesn't have anything to worry about. Why would you – and I get the lawyer part. Shut up. Less words. Don't talk to the cops. Don't talk to – you know, that's what you're taught. But if you're innocent, go – if I'm your lawyer, go tell them the truth. Tom, what's going on here? I mean, we've been through processes when – I had one time we're selling one of our companies, and my investment banker called me. And he says, hang up the Zoom. Call me. You remember this. We were in Monaco. I hang up. We're on a shouting match. He says, Pat, you can't say what you just said. Let me handle that part. That's my job as your banker, not your job. You're paying me for this. We paid him a few million dollars. So I get the part that the lawyer is supposed

35:56 to do this. But, Tom, what do you think is going on here? Well, what's going on right here, this is really sensitive. Wexman, you know Epstein everything that's going on and you have these hearings and there's legal strategy your lawyer sits down with you and says okay How are we going to handle this and said well I wasn't there I wasn't there that often whatever whatever is is excuse or his reason or his explanation whatever word you want to use it's going to fall under the thing Testimony so you decide what less is testimony is going to be and you have a legal strategy Because the lawyer knows what he's going to do next lawyer knows emotion. He's going to file and the more words you give them the more they can pick on. That's why typically when you're being deposed you say yes, no, date, whatever it is, because the more you gave them, no, I was just by myself in my office with my staff. Oh, with your staff? Who's on your staff?

36:45 How many of them were there? Did they hear this? Were they seeing privileged information? You see what I mean? That's what will happen. So the lawyer is sitting there And saying something that, just like the banker said to you, just like I, on board calls, not with Pat, but at board calls earlier in my career, I put phones on mute and I leaned over to CEOs and says, you... Can't do that. That's an incorrect answer or that's not the strategy. You know, you need to knock that off. And I have not authority over that CEO, just like the lawyer doesn't have authority over the witness here. What is he being interviewed for here? What is the context here? All his connections. This is about Epstein. This is about Epstein. And he admitted that since 1980, Epstein was advising L.

37:30 DeRothschild and the Rothschild family about finances. Since the 80s. Who... He barely went to college. He was a math teacher. And I am not defending Wexner that has a... There's a pile of very circumstantial evidence against him right now and a pile of flight logs and a lot of other things. I'm not defending him. I'm just speaking to why would a lawyer be leaning over and being that animated or say something like that and he even chuckles about it. It's because they're setting strategy. But I'm not defending this guy. Randy, thoughts? Look, I think the Epstein thing is disgraceful. I think everyone involved has a special place in hell that awaits them. But one of the things I wonder very much is why are we focused on this now? I mean, we're talking with Wexner about stuff that happened 20 years ago. When Democrats were in charge in 2021, when they had the presidency, the House and the Senate, Epstein

38:19 had been dead for a couple of years. Why were they not investigating it then? That's a fair question. In 2022, why were they not investigating it then? In 2023, why were they not investigating it then? In 2024, what I really want to know... What I really wanna know is what magically happened in 2025 that made them all interested. I know the answer to that is the election of Donald J. Trump. But the other thing I think we need to be looking at is the largest child abuse scandal in the history of the world As horrible as it was, is not the Epstein files. It was Joe Biden letting 300,000 unaccompanied minors come in in this country and they all got lost and nobody knew where they were. And thousands and thousands and thousands of those children have been used in horrible ways. I think we need to be looking at all of this. I don't want to excuse what this guy did. I mean, what all of these people who hung out with this guy,

39:07 particularly after he was convicted of being a sex trafficker in Florida, It's one thing that we probably all have friends that we ultimately learn something about. We're like, oh, I don't want anything to do with you anymore. So you sort of can understand that. But after the guy got convicted of messing around with kids, that's not someone you should want to hang around with. And so that's really the behavior I think we should look at. What this guy claims is once he knew about that stuff, he had nothing to do with it. I don't know whether that's true or not. Let me read some of this and then Adam, I'll come to you.

39:39 So here's what this is apparently going on. Wexner calls final email to Epstein, a middle finger, four days before he pleaded guilty in Florida in 2008 to soliciting sex with someone younger than 18 years old. Epstein received an email from Wexner. Abigail told me the response, Wexner wrote, referring to his wife. All I can say is I feel sorry. You violated your own number one rule. Always be careful. Epstein replied, no excuse. What are they talking about? Then it continues. When asked in the deposition about the email, Wexner said he didn't know what prompted him to write. except that he was angry with Epstein over the financier's action. I think it was just me giving him the finger, Wexner said. Wexner said he was positive. He didn't have any further communication with Epstein after the exchange. From my point of view, he died, Wexner said.

40:25 I didn't even want to think about it. Infamous birthday book. This is another thing that was talked about. The birthday book note signed your friend. When asked about this, his note to Epstein in a latter infamous birthday book, which he signed your friend, Wexner said it was kind of, friend, it was said it was the kind, friendly closing he would have used for anyone, regardless of whether he was a friend or not. I think if I was sending a birthday note to somebody, I'd say your friend or something. I wouldn't just say sign my name. It would be like yours truly best, something like that. And then he addressed the accusations of Maria Farmer. Wexner fielded several questions about Maria Farmer, who accused Epstein and Jelaine Maxwell of sexually assaulting her during the 1996 summer in New Albany. Farmer alleged that after the assault, Wexner's security staff held her at the property until her father

41:19 could pick her up. A lawsuit filed by Farmer said Epstein's Ohio property was or near Wexner's New Albany estate. During the testimony, Wexner said Epstein stayed at a nearby house owned by Jack Kessler, co-founder of New Albany Company. Wexner told the committee that he didn't know shit about Farmer. I never met her. I didn't know who she was. I didn't know she was abused. Wexner said there's a bunch of stuff that goes into this conversation here, including one of them being about Prince Andrew called to offer airplane sale purchase services. So, Adam, what are your thoughts here? Because, by the way, while I'm going through this, Prince Andrew, first person in the royal family to get arrested in 400 years. He's not even the he's he's just Andrew.

42:04 Well, he was. He's no longer. Yeah, he's just Andrew. But he's part of the royal family. So first time in 400 years. So something's going on with this story. No one's gotten arrested in the States yet. And that needs to change. That needs to change. Rob, is this him talking about Prince Andrew? Yes, sir. Go for it, Rob. I think it's a shame. I think it's very sad. I think it's so bad for the royal family. It's very, very sad. To me, it's a very sad thing. When I see that, it's a very sad thing. To see it and to see what's going on with his brother, who's obviously coming to our country very soon, and he's... fantastic man, the king. So I think it's a very sad thing. It's really interesting because nobody used to speak about Epstein when he was alive, but now they speak. But I'm the one that can talk about it because I've been totally exonerated. I did nothing. In fact, the opposite. He was against me. He was fighting

42:53 me in the election, which I just found out through the last three million pages. Adam. Well, here's the part that nobody's talking about. It's systemic, this problem with these young women that are showing up. Because who is this guy, Les Wexner? He's the founder of L Brands, right? What is L Brands own? Victoria's Secret. So if you know anything about the modeling industry, and I've interviewed how many hundreds, if not thousands of models, the industry starts with 15 and 16-year-old girls who get signed to a major agency, and then they're walking on runways, and then they're a part of this world. So we want to go, you know, the noise is, what's going on on Epstein Island? The reality is, how did they even get invited? How are all these women, how are these 16, 17-year-old women even in this world? It's because they start out as models at such a young age, 16 years old. By the way, side note, 35 states in America, the age of consent is 16, not

43:53 18. 18 here in Florida. So I'll take you this. I told Vinny this story. I was covering this Miami Swim Week. This was the summer. And my friends throw these events, you know, model volleyball, we've been there. all the most gorgeous women in the world, yada, yada, yada. The main girl, who's like the last person to go on stage, she does this big hurrah, everyone claps, everyone's doing their thing. And then we're all backstage, I'm talking with people, I'm talking with friends, I go, hey, great job. She goes, yeah, this is my first show. I go, that's great. I mean, how old are you? She goes, 17. I go, what are you doing here? She goes, yeah, this is my mom right here. I go, hey, mom, what's going on? I go, Like literally, why is your daughter doing that?

44:39 She goes, yeah, she started when she was 15 and I go with her everywhere and I'm her chaperone. And here I am. I have friends who are their 30s, their 40s. There's girls in their 20s. There's this one girl who's like the supermodel, 17 years old. I go, mom, how do you let her in this world? She goes, no, this is what you have to do to get started in this world. So what I'm saying is this, what's my point? Les Wexner, is the breeding ground for young women that want to be in Victoria's Secret. So he becomes friends with Jeffrey Epstein. Of course, he's clearly into young, underage women. Most of the stories you hear, the girls are between 16 and 20. I'm sure that you might have heard a story about younger women, but the majority are this age. So the bigger question is this. Why are we having 16, 17, 18-year-old women involved with grown-ass men? That's systemic to me. So if we want to stop these Epstein things

45:36 from happening, it needs to start in 18 years and older and stop this 16 nonsense. I'm going to get to Adam's point, but to piggyback off what Randy said, you make a great point. Tom Holman was just in Minnesota, and they found 3,362 missing kids from the border. No headline, just missing kids from the border. in all these places in Minnesota, and they withdrew 700 ICE agents, which I'm totally against. Also in this deposition, Jasmine Crockett was trying to get a got you moment about Trump. She asked him, I want to say five or eight rapid fire questions about Trump, and he goes, no, he wasn't there.

46:11 No, he didn't do this. No, he didn't do that. And to go to your point, Adam, what we're just, what's revealing. Because guess what? The light is going to shine on all this. These people thought they were going to get away with it because they're at the tippity-tippity top. It's a global, elite, demonic – I'm going to say that word again. Demonic organization that, Adam, you nailed it. And we're saying 16 to whatever. Once you're that pedophile, sick, disgusting person and you're on an island, who's going to sit there and be like, okay, no, no. Oh, you're 16 and a half? No. They like these young, underage – Adam, they love – Do you have an ID? Yeah. destroying the innocence of these children. That's what they get off on.

46:50 So who knows how old? Because I keep seeing videos of Andrew, Andrew with the little kid yesterday, with the ball that has a nipple on it. All Epstein chasing little girls around. It's something deeper. It's something demonic. You make a great point. 300,000 kids went missing. Nobody said anything. Not a peep. Alejandro Mayorkas was like, the borders closed. Kamala Harris. The border's closed. The borders are. It's all BS. It was a turnstile. That border, for how many years, Randy, was a turnstile for votes, illegals, and children to get trafficked all around the freaking world. That's what it is. And they don't want to talk about it because Donald Trump didn't do it. 1,000%. So that's it. And who's the group that has coined the phrase maps? Minor attracted persons. So gross. So to me, it's all ridiculous. And they're trying to get Trump. We all know this. I don't want to beat a dead horse. Meanwhile,

47:42 pretty much everybody that was on the island is on the left of center. So they're using this as an issue to try to bring down Trump, especially in the midterms. What picture is this, Rob? That's Andrew. This came out yesterday. I don't know who this kid is. They're playing with a ball. And there was an actual another one as well, Pat. That's a ball, and it has a nipple on it. I don't know whose kid this is. I don't know who. It's not his. What are we talking about? And mind you, there's 3 million that we can't see. And my question is, Pat, I wanted to ask you. Andrew is the one arrest overseas. Is anybody going to get arrested here? No way. Let me tell you what Andrew does.

48:17 Oh, no, no, no, no. Go ahead. Andrew getting arrested, guess what that does? Okay. Andrew getting, my opinion, Andrew getting arrested increases the pressure on U.S. having to arrest by a mile. Let me tell you why. The average person says, what happened? The first country that arrested somebody is not U.S. and this guy is from U.S. and U.K. had the balls to arrest somebody from their family, which is absolutely humiliating, but America is not willing to arrest a billionaire. That is a very bad look for America, just so you know that. I just want you to know this. So for me, this just went from here. It's almost like a comp. You know, when in a family, somebody gets a four-year degree and Now, what is every grandma and uncle and aunt going to say? Hey, Vinny, when are you getting your four-year degree? Hey, Randy, when are you going to? Hey, so first person makes six figures. Hey, so when are

49:18 you going to make? First person buys a house. Cousin, hey, when are you going to buy a house? First person gets married. So when are you going to get? First person has a kid. Adam, when are you going to have a kid? When are you going to have a kid? This is that situation. So the U.S. has to arrest somebody. They have to do something. So I don't know who that's going to be. But do not be surprised if in the next two weeks, four weeks, six weeks, If somebody in the U.S. also goes through this, do not be surprised if this happens. I have a different opinion, if you don't mind. I'd love to hear it. Go for it. So I believe this is political theater in the U.K.

49:49 Because the hypocrisy coming out of the U.K. Keir Starmer just got accused of hiring or having someone in his cabinet that was with Epstein. Okay, political theater. Why would I say something like this? Can we talk about the U.K. rape gangs? Yeah. that have been raping and pillaging your own citizens for decades, shout out to Tommy Robinson, for basically peeling the mask off what they've been covering up in their own country. So if they've done nothing about that, if they just sit there silent and be like, oh, you know, let them in. It's okay, you can rape our children. But yeah, let's get Prince Andrew. Let's get Prince. So to me, they're Scooby-Doo in this thing. They're pulling the mask off Andrew to make him escape. Two things can be right. Correct. But until they start doing that about the UK rape gangs, this is political theater. This is the family. This is the royal family. Yeah, but he's the scapegoat. This is the person that they're basically saying, you're

50:46 no longer family. 400 years. By the way, 400 years. Guess what the questions become? How do you raise your kids? What did you not do as a father for your kid to do what he just did? What did you do as a father that the rest of us don't know that your son did something like this? Whether these questions are fair or not, these are questions that are going to be asked. Sure. 400 years, this hasn't happened. This is massive for that to be taken. There's a difference between being arrested, being charged with something, being convicted of something.

51:16 Until they charge him something and convicted him of something, this seems like political theater. Let's see. Adam, I swear to you I had this on there. Just to piggyback off of you, the British Parliament voted last week. massively against the investigation of the child Pakistani rape gangs. Oh, shocker. They voted. Ready for this? They blocked it. Ruling Labor Party voting stopped the launch 364 to 11. And guess what they said? Opponents of the inquiry argued that reopening the issue would damage the image of Muslim communities and clash with prevailing left-wing political priorities. They said, no, no, no, no, no. We're not going to go after them because it's going to make Muslims look bad, which is horrible. horrible but going off the is that real life no no that's not god forbid that we tarnish the image of rapist but here's my question oh that's horrible does andrew actually pat do any meaning behind bars for

52:10 being with underage girls does he actually because an arrest is an arrest he sits in the car we get the picture it's political theater up to that point does he see prison that because at the end of the day pat these people need to be behind bars period underage kids you know where i stand jail like a diddy like a diddy like yeah i want years years however whatever their statutes are over there that's the only way because guess what arrest him arrest him bill gates naughty you gave your wife an scd allegedly and slipped her drugs and okay whatever that's he's a disgusting human being but the the uh uh pandemic emails the what are we gonna do with this what are we gonna do where's the where's the pilot after 9-11 i think i think the the part about the the the rape gangs in uk is I think that pressure of going the way they're going, eventually it's going to break. They don't have a choice. Eventually it's going

52:59 to break. Eventually it's going to break. It may take a year, two years, three years. I think something could happen next three years because what speech did Rubio give at Munich? That's part of his speech. If you actually read into the speech, he is talking about the rape gangs. He's talking about what's going on in the U.K. in his speech, right? But this to me, if all of a sudden a story comes out Bill Gates is getting arrested. What do you think that story does? He is about to speak in India. He doesn't go there. His wife is not holding back. Nope. His wife is like, go on. Hey, you want to invite me to talk about my ex-husband? Please. Yes. You're telling me she's playing offense? Oh, Pat. So what you're saying. What do you think the chances someone like Bill Gates gets arrested?

53:43 You want to know the chances in my opinion? 20%. You think that high? Bill Gates? I do. I do. I do. Look. We're currently going through three different lawsuits. Some issues that we dealt with the company. Every one of them is a certain behavior that they shouldn't have done. In the last 20 years, I've sued in my entire life five people. I'm not a litigious guy. I've been sued a lot because, hey, Vinny says something on the podcast. Boom. Hey, boom, it's a lawsuit. That part, as you get bigger, it's part of the territory. You have to understand how this works. But if you don't make an example and everybody else thinks they can do it, now you're the guy that's going to be a target. You have to make an example.

54:34 I think they have to choose who they're going to make an example of. And don't forget about seven months ago, six months ago, when Bill Gates is sitting next to Melania and the president and we're like, why is he there? Do you not think Bill knows what's coming? It's like, hey, I'm pro-Trump now. Oh, really? You're pro-Trump now? Are you afraid of what's happening with Epstein? I don't know. Randy, I'll give you the final thoughts on this, and we'll go to the next story. I hope it's a lot more than one person that gets arrested. I think they all need to get arrested. And again, I think we need to not pick and choose. We need to go after the people who did what they did with these people who came across the border. And in the UK, you think it could break in the next one to three years? They also are voting to delete all of the records.

55:14 That's the debate that you were talking about. They're saying we need to delete. Literally, the government is having discussion. We need to delete all the evidence so no future government can come after these people. And so the only thing to me arguably works than what's going on is that these Democrats... Is that really what they're saying? Yes. Yes. Are they really, Rob, saying they want to delete the file so a future leader cannot come after them? Well, I don't know. They said they didn't give that as their excuse. But that's the motive. But it was deleting the records. Rob, check the article that Humberto just sent you. Yeah. It says... Yeah, government U-turns again on deciding to delete huge archives of Britain's court records. Of course. They're going to delete the records. Write in everybody. There you go. Government U-turns again. Okay, yeah. So maybe in the last day or two they undid it.

56:07 But yes, they're trying to delete all of the records of this. I mean, this is the opposite of the Epstein thing. We're trying to bring the records out, get to what's going on. These are two separate issues. These are two separate issues. To me, if I'm living in the U.K., this is a much bigger issue. Of course. Much bigger issue. It's something that's impacting me directly on a day-to-day basis. I'd argue that 300,000 missing kids is a pretty big deal, too. I mean, you know. In the states. In the states. No, no. Look, when it comes down to the immigration, the kids, stuff like that, there is no political party at that point. That's an 85% issue. That's a 90% issue. That's not a 60% issue or a 67% issue.

56:49 No. But in regard to what could happen in the states, If they keep going, how close are you with Ro Khanna and Massey and what they're doing? I know what they're doing. I'm not close to them. You're not on their team. No, because look at what Ro Khanna did. He stood up and he gave six names, and four of the people were completely innocent. They were guys who'd been brought in for some sort of lineup. They had nothing to do with the Epstein files, and he made them all look like pedophiles. So I'm not a huge fan of how they've gone about this. They're getting people in trouble who had nothing to do with this.

57:22 And again, they were there in 2020. 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2022. What bothers me, the Epstein thing is unspeakable evil. But what bothers me as much is why didn't you care about unspeakable evil? How much of this you put on Bondi, the way Bondi handled it? I mean, look, she's been there for a year. At least this is coming out under her. Why don't we put it under her predecessor at DOJ under Biden? They did nothing. They did nothing. Why are we? We should look at Epstein. Absolutely. But we should also look at why did no one care? He died, I think, in 2019. Like he what you're talking about with Wexner happened in 1996. I mean, why? Why aren't we going after the left and saying, why didn't you care when you were in charge? We should care, but we should have cared then. I wasn't in Congress then, so you can't blame me. I'm in Congress now, and I voted to release all the files. But why didn't they care in 2021

58:16 and 2022 and 2023 and 2024? And why don't they care about the 300,000 illegal immigrants who came across the border? And why don't they care about the grooming gangs in the UK? It's because to them, they don't care at all. This is about politics. They don't care about the kids who were hurt. I can't. care about all of them. That's a fair argument. I'm convinced you're about to see something. I'm convinced you're about to see something. U.S. has to go after somebody. Absolutely. They have to. They don't have a choice. They have to go after somebody. This is what they need to do. They need to accuse Ayatollah Khomeini of being in the upstate. Well, by the way, do you know there are claims that he there are claims of him dealing allegedly with young boys and early on being criticized of being gay early on in his career. Khamenei. True claims of him. To me, that's like at the bottom of the list of the scummy things that guy's done.

59:10 Well, then let's go into that. Let's talk about Iran, what's going on over there. Rob, what clips do you have on Iran? I got a bunch of them here that's sitting in front of me. Which ones do you want to go with first? Right here, the president yesterday at the Board of Peace meeting where he talked about coming to a nuclear deal with Iran and giving them 10 days. Go for it. One of the keys to it was when we took those beautiful, magnificent — we just ordered 22 more of them — updated model. The B-2 bombers are incredible.

59:38 I never understood the B-2 bomber. I'd watch — it's a wing. And I've never quite understood that, Johnny. I'd look at it, I'd say, it's beautiful, but what does it do? It carries very big bombs. And it went into Iran, and it totally decimated the nuclear — nuclear potential. And when it did, When it decimated that, all of a sudden we had peace in the Middle East because nobody, there was a black cloud hanging over the Middle East. And if that wasn't done, that cloud would have been there. And countries like Saudi Arabia, countries like Qatar, countries like, nobody could have signed. You would have had that threat. Nobody could have had, you couldn't have peace in the Middle East. Rob, does he say 10 days Iran or no? So now we may have to take it a step further or we may not. Maybe we're going to make a deal. You're going to be finding out over the next, Probably 10 days. He waits till the last second to say 10

1:00:29 days. I love it because he's got to love him. So 10 days, Iran is going to find out. Randy, what do you think is going to happen here? Well, I think they've got two choices. They're going to lose the nuclear weapons and they're going to lose the intercontinental ballistic missiles one way or the other. They can either give it up on their own or they can take it away. And this is why people need to care about this. I said it before. We all know nuclear weapon bad, but why intercontinental ballistic missile? Iran has all the rockets they need. if all they want to do is attack Israel. They proved that a few months ago. And frankly, they have all the rockets they need if they want to do attack Europe. Why do they need an intercontinental ballistic missile? That's a missile that goes far. The reason is so they have the ability to attack the United States. So why are they spending billions of dollars to create that missile? It isn't

1:01:13 for Israel and isn't for Europe. It's for us. And we can't allow that to happen. And here's why this is so important. Imagine a world where the mullahs were gone. Iran, as you know as well as anyone, was an extraordinary place before they took power and an incredible culture and a great people. So it's not as though you'd replace one bad group of people with another bad group of people. You'd replace one bad group of people with a group of great people. And no government has done more to harm America than these guys have. They're the reason we had the war in Gaza. They did the things in Beirut. They've launched terrorism operations all over the world. Imagine how much better off the world would be with a mullah-free Iran.

1:01:53 So the question becomes the following. And I mean, look, U.S. sends over 50 fighter jets to the Middle East and military buildup against Iran. OK, and we've seen this. Rob, is that the clip or is that a. This is President Trump's warning to Iran. Go for it. documents. Yeah, please. Yeah. The Pressure said today on Iran, bad things will happen if Iran doesn't make a deal. The President's really bad things. The Pressure said, I'm not going to talk to you about that. The Pressure said, what is the goal if there is a U.S. military strike? The President's well, we're going to make a deal or we're going to get a deal one way or the other. The Pressure said, but with a military strike, you need to wipe out the nuclear program. The President's I'm not going to talk to you about that, but we're either going to get a deal or it's going to be unfortunate for them.

1:02:38 I would think that would be enough time, 10-15 days, pretty much maximum. Pause it right there. Okay, so U.S. military has moved over 50 fighter jets to the Middle East last 24 hours as a buildup of air and naval assets near Iran. Axios reported on Tuesday, citing a U.S. official, a host of F-16, F-22, F-35 jets were observed heading to the Middle East independent flight trackers is he given the same update Rob or is he saying anything different than what I said pretty much same thing okay so so then if that's the case and that's what's going on here's the concern I tweeted a couple days ago and I said something about surprise and unpredictability at any point something could happen you know don't be surprised if that takes place yeah Real power doesn't telegraph punches.

1:03:28 It lets the enemy breathe. It lets the media speculate. Then it strikes without notice. Translation, the world could wake up to Iran, to U.S., finishing what it started with Iran, brace for impact. But the fair criticism that some people have who they're worried about, they don't want to see Afghanistan 2.0. They don't want to see another big war. So, you know, your opinion, thoughts, any one of you guys can take this. If you want to take that, I'll come to you. I want to know what, Randy, and what you guys all think. So, We go in there and we bomb again. Okay. What's the goal? The revolution that happened, that's kind of called on because they killed 40,000 people in a couple of days. The goal is the people want to be free from these leaders. They don't want the IRGC who's obviously Khomeini's, you know, lap dogs. So if we go in there, Randy, how strategically bombing I get, get rid of the nukes. Okay. But what about the infrastructure? Meaning if Khomeini's

1:04:18 dead, all of his generals and everybody are still going to be answering to him. How, I think personally, they don't have a leader set up for us to, I don't want to say install, but like Reza Pallavi, the prince, he doesn't want to go there. Strategically, how would you go in there and bomb and then afterwards say, okay, we're going to put in or this person is going to be the leader. Now, everybody in this military, you've got to follow that guy. I think that's a very difficult situation. situation. And I think that's why the president has been so thoughtful in doing this, and it hasn't happened very quickly. But look, everyone had the same concern in Venezuela as well. Oh, my gosh, we're going to have another big old war. It was done and over before most people even realize it happened. Same thing with bombing in Iran, the nuclear development sites a few months ago. So they have a plan. The concern is real. People should always be worried about what is the

1:05:08 long term effect. But I think the ultimate goal is in Iran that can't kill by some estimations 40,000 people over a couple of days because they want freedom. That should be something we all want to happen because think about how many people Iran has killed. Think about what a threat to the world and think about how great it would be for the world if we had an Iran that wanted to be part of the world community. Iran should be an incredibly wealthy country. They have all this oil. It would be great for the Iranian people. It would be great for the Middle East. It would be great for the world. So the president is taking The issue is I think Iran will say anything. Oh, let's keep talking because what they want to do is try to wait them out. He's got three more years as president. If they can keep negotiating for three years, maybe the next person isn't as hardcore on him. So he's got to get this done. I love the fact that he said, you have

1:06:16 10 to 15 days. Yeah. Period. What do you want to do? You don't want to do it? We're coming. By the way, this is the largest deployment of military. we've gone since 2003 I believe. This is the large. So it's not like it's a small thing we're doing. But my question is this, and I agree with the bottom, if your slogan is death to America, this is coming from a guy that was in the United States Air Force that worked at an ICBM nuclear missile site, I don't want them to have nukes. But my thing is the people. Those 40,000, the people that are still in the streets where my mom and dad and his freaking whole family are from, get rid of that. But the people, what's going to happen to them? They need somebody. They need some type of going in a bombing on 1,000%, get rid of their nuclear arsenal or their capabilities. But it's the people.

1:07:03 It's the people. Because think about it. The IRGC is still going to be loyal to Khomeini. You can't go in there and tell the military, hey, guys, switch. Now it's... This guy, because those people are still in the streets. They're still freaking getting, they're still dying. Anybody speaking up athletes, whatever they're torturing them. That's 40,000 that died in two days. Randy, you realize there's thousands in the prisons that they're saying that they're in prison. They're probably gone too. So that's my only concern is the people.

1:07:29 We have to worry about them because they're the ones that started this whole revolution. Right, Tom? Yes. There are two things going on here. One, the people are crying for freedom. They went out and they protested and they were slaughtered for it. And whether it's 35, 32 or 40,000, you know, this is, it's disgusting. It's horrifying on one side. The topic one. Topic two is they're arming themselves. ICBMs are being designed and tested. And by the way, if the Iranians don't think Trump was serious, I'll tell you two countries that do think Trump was serious. That was China and Russia. Because the test firings of the missiles that we saw over there was a joint military action. And it included Chinese ships and Russian ships. So you've got Chinese ships and Russian ships with this joint naval exercise here. Look at the caution that the president has to have here.

1:08:23 If you're going to go... something, you've got the opportunity here to engage a Chinese or Russian war vessel. That's bad. But what you have to do is you have to disassemble, as Trump said, 15 days, we're going to get a deal one way or another. And Trump has been very careful to say, and then there's one way that's got consequence that they don't want. He was very clear about that. And so People need to pay attention to what's going on here because Russia and China are puppeteers in the background, and that's a joint military action going on there. At the same time, the largest buildup, as you correctly, I looked at it, Pat, you're right, the largest buildup since 2003. Yeah, this is not something small. So the criticism is a fair criticism that the administration is getting. By the way, Rob, can you pull up the poll you just did? I love this poll. I love this poll. Don't pull it up. Let me ask them. Rob asked the question. Do you

1:09:18 support a U.S. strike on Iran? What do you think the percentage is? Yes, no. Very simple. Our audience. What do you think it is? Mixed. 65% yes. Our audience, 40% yes. I'm going to go 80. 80% yes? Mm-hmm. I'm going to say sort of 50-50. 50-50? Okay, Rob, go to it. I'm actually very surprised by this. And look at that. Oh, wow. 60. 60-40. Mm-hmm. Jake, you said 60-40. 60-40. And the reason why I bring this up, and Adam, I'll come to you, is, look, if they go in and they do it in a way where they did Venezuela, and then they go to an election where the people select somebody, elect somebody, then they're able to go...

1:10:09 I got a call from a guy from an ex-DOJ, ex-Department of State guy, and a friend who we've had on a podcast before. He was an agent before. CIA, and we spoke. And he says, you know, there's an organization called, maybe I'm not saying the name correctly, you can correct me on this, called Rewards for Justice. And Rewards for Justice, what they do is these are guys that go in, they're trying to take out the main head, the leader, they go to the direct six, seven guys that they have to go, and they give them a payday, this could be $10, $5, $50 million, it's a real payday that those guys are getting. And they turn them against The main person here. So say you have to do this with seven. You don't think that happens? I think fully that happens. I think John Perkins talked about it in his book. What was it called? Economic Hitman. Economic Hitman. And he did that many, many years ago. They go and say, hey, you're either taking

1:11:03 this or we're killing you. Which one do you want to do? I'll take it. So to me, you know, I think if it's done that way and it flips and you go in, you do election fairly quickly and Somebody comes in, you have to trust the systems are being ran tightly. Who's going to moderate, you know, monitor that? It's still a lot of gray area that anything is possible. So the criticism of how do we know for a fact this is going to work? You know what the real answer is? We don't. But guess what we do know? What's the alternative? Don't do it. What do you think they want to do?

1:11:40 You think Iran wakes up in the morning saying they love you? You think Iran wakes up in the morning saying, hey, yeah, we love America. Let's become diplomatic. Don't get it twisted. So you're both, you could be right that nothing happens and it's a failure of a mission. But sitting Iran not doing anything is also what I don't want to see. I don't want to see a $3 trillion weapons of mass destruction. I don't think anybody wants to see that in America. Adam. Well, I got to give a shout out to our audience and why they're right is because they have eyes and memory and data. Because who do you trust more at this point?

1:12:13 It's Trump. You know, the alarmists, he's going to cause World War III. That never happened. The stock market's going to, that's all-time highs. Oh, he's a dictator. There's no King's rally. There's data after data of Trump doing things the right way. There's no data that Trump's going to get us in some 20-year foreuntanglement with Iran. He's going to get in and get out. That's number one. Number two, Vinny said, death to America. They've been shouting this for 46 years. Maduro. one time goes, come and get me. Boom, they got you, buddy. So what do you think he wants to do with Iran at this point? After yelling death to America, death to Israel, death to the UK, death to the West. There is one big difference, though.

1:12:56 What's that? And the difference is the Don Romano doctrine. This is the hemisphere. That is not your hemisphere. Touche, but he's already bombed Iran. He's already took out Soleimani. So if there's anybody that understands the threat of radical Islamic extremism, It's Donald Trump. He's the guy that did the Muslim ban. And I'm not even saying that that was a great decision. I'm just saying Trump has been talking about Islamic extremism for decades. You know, even beginning with 9-11. Last point here. Oh, my God. This just happened. I knew this was going to happen. Unbelievable. Oh, my God, Tom. Did you just see that? Yeah, it's 6-3. I haven't seen the list of judges, but 6-3 has to mean that Comey and Roberts joined the three liberal women. What the hell are they doing? What are they doing? What are they doing? We're winning, and it's working, and look at what we want to talk about the deep state. That's it right there. So major breaking. The U.S. Supreme Court has

1:13:53 just struck down President Trump's tariff authority 6-3. Terrible. Supreme Court just wrecked our country. One of the biggest economic comebacks in the world history. What the hell? By the way, Neil Gorsuch joined the liberal majority. Play the clip, bro. Play the clip. Are they saying anything or is it just an update? I have not been able to check it out. Let's just see the first 10 seconds. We do. We've got a very fractured opinion, but initially what it says, we know it's authored the primary. I just want to know who voted against the time.

1:14:22 Did you pull it up? It says essentially that this has to be Amy Coney. That grants the president of emergency powers did not. It looks like by this first blush reading by justice, the chief justice here does not give him the power to levy these words that he's levied. Part of this initial opinion says the words regulate and importation. The president says that gives him the independent power to impose tariffs on imports from any country, any product, any rate, any time. These words, it says, cannot bear such weight. How's the market reacting to it, Rob? Just go to the market. How's the market reacting to it? Is it an immediate uptick? Unbelievable. It's an immediate uptick. Interesting. Uptick in the market. Interesting. Not by a lot. Not by a lot, but let's just see if it just happened in the last 30 minutes. So when did this happen, Rob? 30 minutes ago. This happened, this update about tariffs is

1:15:14 how long ago? Did it just happen right now or was it 30 minutes ago? I saw like 12 minutes was when it happened. Everything I see the first release, Pat, was 10.02 a.m. Eastern. That's about 25 minutes ago. Okay, guys. Then the market's reacting to this. That's what the market's reacting to because the market was flat 49.280 and then it went up 300. It went all the way up to 40. Yeah. Why would the markets go up based on this news? Well, you have to realize there are some people that – are feeling like that pinch that they were paying the additional, they see it as a tax, as the way they're short-term tax that they were paying on this. This is one of those things I do not like. Listen, I was with Rand Paul and I asked him the question and I said, Rand, why does the president keep bringing up the fact that if the Supreme Court rules against tariffs, Why does he keep saying that?

1:16:13 He says because it's most likely going to rule against the tariffs. He said this three weeks ago. Remember that when I came back and I shared that? Yeah, so interesting. Tom, what do you think is going to happen next? So I'll tell you what I think is going to happen, but I'll add this. CNN is reporting that Neil Gorsuch joined Robertson Barrett in the moderate opinion joining the liberals. So Neil Gorsuch, appointed by a... Trump is one of the judges that voted making it 6-3, not 5-4. I was expecting 5-4 because I was expecting Comey and Roberts to sit on the moderate middle where they've been. So what this means, I trust Scott Besson. And Scott Besson said there are other tools that they can use to negotiate. I think there's going to be a lot of celebration, oh, we defeated Trump and stuff. But you got to go back and look.

1:17:04 There's a lot of trade deals, several trade deals that were key that got done because the tariffs were there. And tariffs were coming back just yesterday. Japan said they were investing $30 or $40 billion in the U.S. in a natural gas power plant in Ohio and that Trump was pulling back tariffs to 15% on certain things. And so I think that this is bad for Trump and the mainstream media is going to run with it and say, ah, you know, he's been given a bloody nose by the Supreme Court. Oh, look, Neil Gorsuch has joined. It's one of his own judges. You're going to hear all that. You're going to hear all that.

1:17:40 But he used the... tariffs as tactics, not taxes. They didn't turn out to be taxes. The CPI, Consumer Price Index, was 0.1 less year over year, which was just released last week. So the tariffs didn't cause the great inflation. That's not a claim. That's a statistical fact from the data coming from our own government. So I think what you're going to see here is Trump has to take different tactics to negotiate internationally, B, but A, mainstream media and the Dems are going to run with this and saying, C, I told you he was a monarch. I told you he was dictator. I told you he was wielding a red pen like a king. No kings. You're going to hear all that crap. But what has really happened here is he's going to have to change his tactics. And let's remember what happened in the middle between now and And a year ago, those tariffs were used to successfully negotiate trade agreements in the benefit of America first, not America

1:18:41 only, but America first. I could make another point. argument for what I think the president should do. I'd read this quote. When Congress grants the power to impose tariffs, it does so clearly and with careful constraints, Roberts wrote. It did neither here. Now, while I don't agree with that, I think the president was absolutely within his rights. What I think folks in your audience who stand with Trump need to do is they need to call people like me and say pass a bill to give him those tariffs. What the Supreme Court is saying is not that the president can't impose tariffs. Well, they're not saying he can't impose tariffs. They're saying he didn't have the congressional authority to impose tariffs. So we have a choice. We have a choice. And look, it may make us blow up the filibuster in the Senate, but we do have a slight majority in the House. Please do. And we do have a slight majority in the Senate. And so we as a Congress can choose to give him

1:19:29 that power because what President Trump has done is he has brought in an extraordinary amount of money to the country in the form of these tariffs, which really are just sales taxes on foreign goods. He's reduced the trade deficit. He's making people invest in this country. He's bringing down the deficit and he is he is using it as a as a as to wield other people. And what the Supreme Court's not doing is saying other countries can't tariff us. Exactly. And that is what is apparently everyone thinks tariffs are a great idea when China and Europe and everyone else does it to the United States but it's the worst idea in the world when we do it back. So I think what people ought to be doing is picking up the phone, calling their congressman and say fine if the Supreme Court says the president doesn't have the power then you all give it to him. Can you imagine if you are a leader of China or Iran or Russia you know what you're saying?

1:20:15 You know it's kind of like remember when Mayweather was fighting when Mayweather was fighting Pacquiao or whoever it was he would say go talk to your boss. Go talk to your boss. Go talk to Bob Arum. Go talk to Don. I don't have to talk to anybody. I'm my own boss. These places like China and Russia are going to sit there and say, you think you have power? Ha, ha, ha. We're going to put tariffs on you. No, you're not. So then the question becomes the following. Is for somebody who moves as quickly as an operator, as a capitalist that competes in free enterprise, And a founder, guess what you like? You like that you can make a decision what? Very quickly versus slowly. And I got to go through the process of all this other stuff. This is why some people prefer working for a small business ran by a founder than working for a corporation ran by committees and a bunch of different people.

1:21:13 So, Tom, Randy, this kind of comes to you guys. Do you think he is now going to sit there and say, because you know how Trump is, he's going to be like, oh, okay, no problem. You know, it's kind of like when a father, the kid says, you can't put your hands on me. I will go tell the school. And the teacher says, oh, really? No problem. Take the TV. Take the video games. Take everything we have out of the house. Put it in the garage. Go ahead, son. Go ahead, honey. Give me the car keys. Give me your cell phone. You're right. I'm not going to hit you. I'm not going to put you on it because you're going to go tell school. Go tell school I took your phone, your iPad, your computer, your video games, your TV away from you. So what is that now? Because he's wired like that. Of course. Is it now sanctions? Is it now, hey, if anybody does business with Huawei, if anybody does business with this, is that the thing? Or is he going to need to get

1:22:06 the help from Congress? Do you do sanctions or can he do that himself? I think there's two things. I think he has other tools in the tool chest. Such as what? He can limit who we do business with. Does he need your approval? No, not for certain things. There are other tools in the tool chest to manage trade. So he's got other tools. But I think it's a two-part path. I think he should use those tools. And I think he should come to us and say, give me the power. I would give him the power. What's extraordinary about this and what's so disappointing is this is working. This has been a, they said, oh, it'll kill economic growth. We've doubled the economic growth we got under Biden. They said it'll drive inflation. We've got half the inflation that we had under Biden. All this is, is something that has made trade with the United States fair. I don't even know why we call them tariffs. What they are is they are sales taxes on foreign

1:22:54 goods. That's what they are. We charge sales taxes on just about everything. And so I think we need to give the president the power to redo this, but I think he'll have other tools in the tool chest. It's It's just disappointing. It's like why would America standing itself back up to people have to slap it down? My question is, why would even the Republican, why would you vote? harm us, to subvert what he's doing. What's the ideology behind it? Because they know the numbers, they see what the hell is happening. What would make somebody like Comey Barrett and Roberts do that? I don't get it. I have no idea. I haven't read it. We've been sitting here. But, you know, I mean, they may just have some deeply held emotional belief that the statutory authority is not there. I would point out the three others disagreed and clearly felt that it was there. What I think is, it's disappointing and I think we should give the president the power to do it. Can you

1:23:43 go to Adam? I'll come to you right on Rob, can you go to Section 232 tariffs? Go to Section 232 tariffs. I think he's probably going to lean on this. Zoom in a little bit. It's the Trade Expansion Act of 1962. Exactly, of 1962. The president can impose tariffs or restrictions on imports deemed to threaten national security based on Commerce Department investigations. So they may go to this. Can you also go to Section 301 tariffs? Section 301 tariffs. These are the other tools. Yeah, these are the other tools. Of the Trade Act of 1974. Yeah, so this is 1974. Our ongoing duties imposed by the USTR on Chinese imports, often 7.5% or 25% or higher, to counteract unfair trade practices like intellectual property theft as of early 2026. These tariffs remain in effect and some rates increasing on strategy sectors. So the biggest concern with the tariffs, you know, he said, well, we got all these... deals that we're doing with tariffs and it was like

1:24:42 small countries like nobody everybody wants to hear the one country and that's what? China. So what things he can use against China there is plenty of stuff to use the threat of national security against China. Adam your thoughts. So I'm gonna give a different perspective because obviously we're not happy about this and we were all fan of what's going on with the tariffs and what everything's going on with Lutnik but let me try to turn that frown upside down because Trump's a brilliant marketer. So I'm thinking of ways he can turn lemons into lemonade. So do you think that there's people on the left cheering for this right now? Of course. Of course. Absolutely. So let's think of some ways that he can combat that. You call me a fascist.

1:25:25 You call me a dictator. You're doing no king's protest. Well, here's exhibit A of checks and balances and the rule of law in our country. Even if you thought I was one, sorry, we have a Supreme Court that basically told me I can't do this. So your whole notion that I'm a fascist dictator, that's out the window. Congratulations, guys. So that's one thing right there. I will add this. If this were 5-4, oh, ooh, wee, wee, wee, that could get ugly. The fact that it's 6-3 and there's someone like Neil Gorsuch that's like, you know what? Maybe this does need to go through Congress. Maybe there's a rule of law. Maybe Trump did overreach here. Again, I'm playing devil's advocate here. This would be way uglier if this were 5-4. The fact that it's 6-3 means that Trump needs to go back to the drawing board and say, all right, guys, what do we want to do here? I think he's a great team around him. I think America's doing great right now. How

1:26:20 can we make America even greater? reinventing the tariffs. That's just my quick thoughts. You have to look at the Supreme Court very carefully. The Supreme Court rules narrowly on narrow issues. The Supreme Court is not typically about now. Do they debate them? Is there a solicitor general involved and they bring these things forward and they hear arguments and they go on for a while before they reach a decision? Yes, that's the court function. But when the opinions are read out, they generally tend to be narrow. And they'll even say, but we don't see this and we don't see that.

1:26:54 This was a narrow opinion that said Trump did not have the authority to wield his pen for tariffs the way he did without congressional approval. It didn't say tariffs are bad. It didn't say tariffs can't be used. And Besant, as early as November of last year, I looked this up last night, November of 2025, Besant was quoting the two points that Pat just brought up, the other ways to do it, and he said, those are more cumbersome, but they get the same effect when you're dealing with international trade and guess what international trade we want a president with a fast pen but this does not mean that he is castrated on negotiating internationally he's not and it merely says that there's other tools that have to be swung here and to everyone that is criticizing and saying oh no kings and all this crap shut up You're not looking at the data that what has happened over the course of the last year

1:27:55 and as recently as yesterday with Japan putting a natural gas power plant to reduce the price of electricity in Ohio and electricity seems to be a hot topic going into the elections because of data centers creating excess demand and then providers of electricity raising prices in response to demand. So here's a president touching on the affordability crisis with a deal with Japan and then today you're going to see the liberals and the mainstream media cheering as if they've taken the crown off the king. It really is disappointing. I understand the Supreme Court's decision. I don't necessarily agree with it, but I'm not on the court. And their narrow interpretation was he did not have the authority to put the tariffs in place the way he did without congressional approval. That's all they're saying. Well, who brings that? Well, first of all, who's sitting there going, okay, we're winning. Let's bring this to freaking the Supreme Court. Now, you don't know

1:28:47 what I'm talking about? The $150 billion tariff refund. we might have to pay back to all these people and then they're gonna go after him because now we're gonna go back even worse uh debt and worse thing and worse problems how did this get done read that headline benny trump says japan to invest in energy industrial projects in ohio texas and georgia how much and how much is this worth rob what's the what's the potential 33 billion 36 billion it's like bro this guy's been in all every since the day he came in it's just been a fight This is 36 of the 550. They still have another 520 to go. Let me add one thing. And 90% of this, Pat, is power, electricity. Let me bring up the China thing, if you may. Look, democracy's ugly. And we're seeing things played out. We're seeing how the sausage is made. Let me flip it on you. You're either going to have a U.S.-led world or a China-led world. So here in America, we're fighting over

1:29:39 the fact that the Supreme Court, they're ruling down Trump. Oh, my God, what's going to happen? Meanwhile, in China... Breaking news how Xi basically purged his big brother to achieve absolute power, and he's basically going and purging people that even look at him the wrong way. So, yes, this is ugly in America, Supreme Court. We have checks and balances and rules and justice in our country. Flip it on China. And Xi. She will just murder you or kill you, God forbid, what you're going to do in Iran. So pick your poison. I'm going to pick the American poison all day. Can I ask you a question? They don't have a Supreme Court to tell them they can't do it. So by the way, so the Supreme Court, 6-3, not 5-4. Okay. I heard what Tom said. I heard about Adam, so I'm not going to repeat it. But I got a question. Let's say Supreme Court was, is it 6-3 right now, conservatives? Is that what the structure is right now?

1:30:34 Okay. Okay. On paper. On paper. Fine. Comey and Roberts have been moderate for a year and a half. Fair. But let's just say go to 2024 when they try to get him off the ballot in Colorado. 2023, when they try to get him off the ballot in Colorado. And Maine. This is the question I want to ask. If the Supreme Court was 6-3, do you think they would have voted liberal, six liberal, three conservatives? Do you think they would have voted to remove Trump from the ballot in Colorado? Be... very good question unemotional do you think they would have voted for him to be removed or they would have said no this is not constitutional we can look up how most of these people were on the court then we can see how they voted and and that might know they didn't vote for it but remember it's six three so they voted it out hypothetical i'm saying pick six liberal supreme court justices three conservatives who how do

1:31:31 you think tom that would have gone okay six liberal, three conservatives, do you think they would have removed them off the ballot? I think that there is a danger in a liberal court because, I'll answer it, yes, I think that's a very real possibility because liberal justices have shown themselves to legislate from the bench and the conservative constitutional judges have shown themselves to focus on interpreting the Constitution and getting down to yes-no answers on a narrow issue. I think if it was a liberal court, Pat, there's a danger that could have happened. Here's the risk.

1:32:06 Look at some of these judges like Boasberg and some of the insane rulings that some of these leftist judges have made since Trump has gotten in. I think if those people ended up on the Supreme Court, it's a real risk. This is not a good thing, but I also don't think we should lose our minds about it because Trump does have other options. And I think people need to get mad. They need to call their congressman and say, give him whatever authority he needs. These are good. These were working. but it is disappointing. I want to believe that the Republican justices did what they thought was right in their hearts under the law and they just simply think the president didn't have that power. I don't agree and I will give him the power if it's up to me. Well, I'll answer your question. I think if I'm going to be an ideologue, I would say no way would they do something like that. You know, the laws of our country, no way would they,

1:32:55 it was supposed to be nonpartisan. But if I'm going to give a realistic answer, I would say, yeah, they would probably do that because TDS does not stop at just the common person. It bleeds into Congress and business leaders and even judges and even Supreme Court judges. You know, you made an interesting point about China, though, and I meant to build on it. So much of the division that we not only they have no division. So much of the division we have in our country right now is paid for by them. Who do you think?

1:33:26 Who funds the no kings protest? Who do you think funds the people who harass me when I'm walking through the Capitol? I mean, a lot of it is Chinese money. And so they not only allow no discussion... They are fomenting discord in the country. Remember when we had all those encampments on college campuses and everyone had the same tent? Yeah, of course. I mean, who do you think is paying for all of that? They are doing it to divide us. George Soros, Qatar, North, South China. Yes, there's a few suspects, but China's one of them. Yeah, of course. Well, if you think about it, the last time Trump was in and Trump was going hard with China with trade, what happened? What happened? A freaking virus came out of a lab. China and destroyed everybody. Vinny, it was a wet market. Yeah, yeah, exactly. And we all know that it came from a pangolin that mixed with a monkey that made out. I believe, this is my opinion, that was all set up to get

1:34:18 the president out and the deep state was with him. And these are the same type of people. Adam, you talked about China and him looking at people. And he would have won. 100% he would have won. They needed that. Look at how close, even with all the cheating it was. Of course. Imagine if there hadn't been COVID. Of course. There's no question. And then Adam, you're talking about with China, and if they look at him wrong, and they, by the way, the courts here, they use him. Dude, they shot, they tried to kill the president. You're talking about purging and looking. They tried to shoot him in the head, which they got him in the ear. They tried to have that psycho Ryan Ralph go after him who's doing life now for going after. There's other tactics, and this, and you're right. This isn't like, oh my God, huge, but we're winning. And since 2016, if it's not the left, it's even the Republicans that are in there in the deep state are just trying

1:35:01 to subvert the will of what this is, what we voted for. I voted for him to be that guy. He's a boss. Go do your job. Deport more people. Deport the illegals. I'm mad that they're slowing down in Minnesota and withdrawing down. I'm not like, what the hell are we talking about right now? We're trying to win. We're trying to get level back to even from what this past four years of, I don't even want to call it, It wasn't Biden. It was all the people that were around him. To me, it was the Obama in the basement with the earpiece. It's like every time we take three steps forward, we're taking two steps back.

1:35:32 It pisses me off, bro. Guys, we're pissing Vinny off today. We don't need an angry patriot today. You have the right to be angry. By the way, listen, Randy, go contact your congressman. Say, hey, let's bring a vote, but at the same time, I know the mindset of a driver, The driver doesn't like slow speed. And all this does is delay speed, and China is sitting there saying yes. Yes. He doesn't have as much authority and power. Matter of fact, if you were a rage-baiting guy, and you really wanted to get under their skin, you know what you could whisper? There's so many things you can whisper at the next event when you see them. Oh, there's so many things you can whisper to the president. But the president's creative. with a very good memory and a strong team, I have a feeling we're about to hear some very creative anger. Let me give you a shout-out. What are the chances, literally or figuratively, that they had their next

1:36:34 five moves planned? They do. Right? They're like, what? Where'd this come from? They've been planning for this. Yeah, because they've worked with Soros for almost 15 years. Yeah. Soros is one of the most deceptive, creative minds in the economy. This guy would destroy the currency of countries is what he would do. You don't think he knows? So they have the right brains is what I'm saying. They didn't get caught on their off-start here. When's the next time Trump is going to be in a room with all these justices? Next week. Next Tuesday. Think about that. State of the Union is coming up. He's going to walk in. What is he going to say to them?

1:37:08 What a room to be in the press with and ask questions. Some of them don't come. Some of them actually don't come. They're not obligated to be there. I think they were for the Biden. The rules are always different when Democrats are in jail. But they don't actually have to come. Let's go talk about another guy who, let's just say his favorite movie is not the 101 Dalmatians. Zoran Mamdani, admin, New York City mayor unveils record $127 billion budget up from a whopping $11 billion. Is that serious, Rob? The numbers are saying up $11 billion? Yep. This guy, New York is losing jobs to Texas now. Mamdani's tax push will worse than exit is. New York Post story came out with this article talking about what's happening. California lost a trillion dollars twice in the last five years. One, the COVID exodus. Now this, the wealth tax exodus of a trillion dollars leaving. And so New York is about to

1:38:08 get their second trillion dollar exodus if they continue this way. Let me read this to you. New York is losing thousands of jobs to pro-business Texas and Mamdani's push to raise corporate tax would only accelerate the exodus in analysis. Released Tuesday by the Big Apple Top Corporate Advocacy Group claims the report issued by the Partnership of New York concludes that the Lone Star State low-tax pro-growth policies are successfully recruiting corporations and diverting jobs from Wall Street, firms fed up with Gotham's high taxes, business hostile policies. It goes into a hole breaking down all the numbers. While New York's financial services industry still remains productive, generating $330 billion in gross regional product in 2021, 71% more than Texas. Texas financial service sector grew faster over the last decade, With GP rising 121% compared to 72%, I can give a bunch of other stats. Tom, your thoughts on this one, Mamdani. So I'm going to

1:39:06 explain something first. I'm going to set aside, and everybody, you know, criticizes me for how I pronounce Madman's last name. Madmanny is there in New York, and he... I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING. I THINK IT'S A GOOD THING. HE'S DONE THE FOLLOWING. LET ME EXPLAIN IT IN SIMPLISTIC TERMS. LET'S SAY YOUR 16-YEAR-OLD SISTER GETS A VISA FOR THE FIRST TIME AND SHE LIVES WITH YOUR TWO PARENTS WHO ARE STILL That debt goes to the parents. The parents have to pay that visa off because she's not 18 and they kind of co-signed for that little checking account. So this $1,000 is now paid by the parents. The parents come to the end of the month and say, wow, we don't have money either, but we just had to pay this. And they go and they take out some of the HELOC, the home equity line of credit. Okay, follow that? So ultimately the parents end up in debt. Watch.

1:40:04 States... get money from the government when they have natural disasters or they have horrible deficits. And they come to people like Representative Fine and they lobby to get that money, to get relief, to get grants, to get whatever it is. The cities put stress on their state governments all the time, especially blue cities. And, you know, Mandami has been spending the last week trying to put pressure on HOCUL, over this money. So Mandami is the 16 year old girl that ran up the Visa card. Hochul is the parents and the United States is the HELOC. He is trying to get what he wants to put all this money for immigrants and all the programs he wants. Is he going to? Well, I don't, I think what is happening here is it has exploded really quick. I think he felt he had a mandate And I don't think he realized that his margin of victory was decisive in the election, but not unanimous among the citizens. It was also a lie. It

1:41:07 was also a lie. Turns out free stuff isn't free. And that's a big part of the issue. I don't think he will be able to get those taxes raised. I don't think Kathy is going to be willing to lose her election in order to pay off. It's a game of chicken with her. Yeah, but I think she loses her election if she does that massive tax increase. Look, what's crazy about all of this is even before his massive increase that he wants to do, the budget of the city of New York is larger than the budget of the state of Florida. And we have almost three times as many people who live here as live in New York. The budget of the state of New York is twice the budget of Florida. So three times if you add the two of them together, it's crazy.

1:41:49 And what these people don't understand is if the federal government wants to raise your taxes, you've got a few choices. You can pay them, you can go to jail, or I guess you can burn your passport and move somewhere else. But if New York does crazy stuff, you get in your car and you drive away. There's probably a reason why You are an entrepreneur here in Florida. It's probably partly this. And so all this is going to do is get people to leave and come to Florida or Texas or Tennessee or other places that don't have a state income tax.

1:42:20 And by the way, not only do we not have a state income tax, it doesn't snow here. So, you know, think of what he's asking people to pay. They can't even pick up the garbage right now. And he wants to increase taxes. So I think it just shows how stupid of an idea it was for the people of New York to elect him. And now they've got to pay. Can you show that clip that you were talking about? Watch this clip. And mind you, he's, you know, the saying, I hate to say I told you so. No, no, no. I love it. We told you so. Look at the eyes. Less than three months. Look at these guys in the street because he wants to raise them. This is who, Rob? This is who? This is in New York. These are New Yorkers. These are New Yorkers. Rob, can you zoom in so we can read what it is? Yeah.

1:42:58 Mamdani, voters angry that taxes are going to be raised for everybody, not just the rich. If only there was a historical precedent to prove that socialism has never worked. Roger, these people voted for him. Like Greece. Go ahead, Rob. Like the EU. The mayor, with the greatest respect. In every campaign speech, in every debate where you engage, we opened our ears to listen. Now today, accept the words echoing from us now. Do your job as mayor and leave our taxes out. There are only two options. You're saying if we don't tax the rich, then I gotta increase property taxes. We are not appointed Southeast Queens. We are not part of your negotiating tactics. You are out your goddamn mind. By the way, that's called buyer's remorse. But they voted for him. No, 100%. And again, what was going to be free? Who do you think was going to pay for it? The billionaires, the millionaires, the billionaires,

1:43:51 Bernie Sanders. They're leaving. They're not going to stay there. And the one thing that pissed me off, he's one of the most heavily... This is a liar and a freaking hypocrite. He is one of the most heavily protected politicians, I think, in the United States. There's rumors that he has a detail of up to 60 police officers that protect him and his wife, and it's going to cost taxpayers $10 to $12 million a year. But he wants to get rid of 5,000 New York police officers. So good for all of you. How many for a year we've been here telling you guys what was going to happen. You should see the messages I get. You don't know what you're talking about. You're from Yonkers. You're not from New York. Okay.

1:44:26 It's happening in real time, and he's been in for how many months? How many months? Two months? You think this is just the beginning? Wait and see. Go ahead. happening. I think there should be a civics course that just teaches the average American basic math and to understand the basic math. When you take a look, if you sat there with people in New York, these gentlemen appear to be informed, reasonable people that are very upset and going to the microphone out there in a peaceful demonstration, making their point known, making their voice heard. This is America at its best when it's like, oh, my goodness. Now, what they need to remember is that YOU VOTED FOR THIS AND YOU DIDN'T PAY ATTENTION. RON DESANTIS APPROXIMATELY THREE WEEKS AGO GAVE, I THINK IT WAS A CIVIC SPEECH THAT WAS GOING ON IN TALLAHASSEE AND HE TALKED ABOUT HOW THE AMOUNT OF MONEY BEING SPENT PER CAPITA IN NEW YORK WAS GREATER THAN THE TOTAL BUDGET FOR EVERYTHING PROVIDED INCLUDING ROADS, DISASTER RELIEF,

1:45:22 EVERYTHING, WATER TREATMENT PLANTS IN THE ENTIRE STATE OF FLORIDA THAT HAS THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE THAT LIVE HERE. THAT POINT. THESE FOLKS DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THINGS LIKE WHEN WE SAW FOX BUSINESS, NEIL CAVUTO SITS THERE AND THIS GIRL SAID WE SHOULD JUST TAX EVERYTHING FROM THE WEALTHY AND WE'LL PAY FOR SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE FOREVER. NEIL CAVUTO SAID IF YOU TOOK EVERY PENNY FROM EVERYBODY IN THIS NATION THAT WAS WORTH MORE THAN $500 MILLION, TAKE IT ALL, YOU'LL ONLY PAY FOR MEDICARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY FOR SEVEN YEARS. And the system is still broken. There needs to be a collective understanding getting past the emotion of hate in this country so that people understand what you're voting for. Tax the rich sounds good, but it doesn't work. It's like you've got a $20 bill in your pocket and all your friends say you should take the entire gang out for dinner. You don't have enough to cover. People don't see this, Pat. This is where you and I agree, Pat,

1:46:22 on the need for education, including... civics education about how government really works, how big the debt really is, and how offsetting these promises are. So you can look at somebody and say, you know what? You can't do that. That won't even work. And yet they voted for it, and now they're out there exercising their right to free speech. But good luck, guys. You're going to be there until the next mayoral election. Okay. Mom Donnie, you've done it now. I mean, listen, it's one thing to piss off some liberal white women. Oh, my God. It's a... There'll be an inconvenience, as Andrew Tate says. Start pissing off some dudes, some angry black men in New York.

1:47:01 You're going to have a little bit more than an inconvenience. You're going to have a revolution on your hands. So these guys are not going away. They're not quiet. And these are the guys that actually work. And they're not just pushing paper in some bureaucracy. These are the people that are going to Stormed the capitol, so to speak. It said homeowner. Exactly. He's a homeowner. These are not the dudes you want to mess with. Shout out to them. I'm not sure if they voted for him or not. No, he said. No, he goes, I've been supporting you. Oh, really? I listened and I believed your nonsense. Guys, time and time again, we've seen the lies of socialism and communism. Well, you guys remember that time that communism and socialism worked?

1:47:37 No, no. Never. Pat, someone gave you the book, The Benefits of Communism? And it was empty. And then you open it, just empty page after page after page after page. All right, let's go through a couple other stories. I'd like to get a couple stories before we wrap up. Tucker Carlson detained in, Rob, where was Tucker Carlson detained? In Israel. He was detained in Israel, dragged into interrogation room as explosive interview. Sparks diplomatic firestorm. Somebody give Tucker Carlson's marketing department a freaking raise.

1:48:03 Sparks is such a good word. I mean, it's just such a beautiful thing. The staff was detained on Israel Wednesday following an interview with Trump, with Donald Trump's ambassador to the country, Mike Huckabee. This interview was done in Tel Aviv. Carlson exclusively told Daily Mail that shortly after the interview, Israeli officials confiscated his passport and hauled one of his colleagues off to an interrogation room. Men who identified themselves as airport security took our passports, hauled our executive producer into a room, and then demanded to know what we spoke to Ambassador Huckabee about. Carlson told Daily Mail it was bizarre. We're now out of the country. Too bad Tucker stayed in the airport in the face of so many invitations. You see many wonderful places, a huge and obviously intentional missed opportunity taunted David Friedman, the former U.S. ambassador to Israel during

1:48:52 Trump's first term. So while this is going on and everybody's like, wow, that sucks. The fact that he was detained, a video came out. Rob, if you want to play this clip, go for it. It's disturbing. So folks, just I won't tell you. Look what they're doing to him. So inappropriate. Oh, my God. They hit him. They hit him. It looks like they're strangling him. With a hug. They hit him. A battery. Sexual harassment right there, if you think about it. Like, that arm went a little too low. And that's him taking the passport, by the way. That was him running the passport. He's never been to Israel, maybe. I don't know if you all have been there, but they take security a little bit more seriously than they do in other places. They take your passport.

1:49:33 They ask you a lot of questions. What I have been told by multiple sources is the interview that he did went terribly for him. Terribly. And by the way, he's releasing it at a time where no one in Israel can actually watch it because it will be during Shabbat. It will come out this afternoon. But I've been told it went well, and this is a way to, I think, try to create a distraction. Nothing happened, nothing unusual. Anyone who's ever been to Israel understands they ask a lot of questions when you're coming in and you're going out. Yeah, well, I'll say it again for the millionth time. Tucker Carlson cannot be trusted. Let me say this again. Tucker Carlson cannot be trusted. I highly encourage the Massar, whoever was there, to kill him with kindness and treat him nicely and treat him royally. What do you do with someone who just talks the most amount of trash about you? Like in real life, if you encounter someone who all they do

1:50:26 is talk trash, what are your ramifications? Do you address it? Do you not address it? Do you deal with it head on? How do we handle this? Tucker Carlson, not a truth teller he's a spinning a narrative and he's making things up as he goes if he generally cared about the Christian community as he as he so is to speak go visit them buddy leave the airport so you're going to you're willing to give these softball interviews to the president of Iran to Putin genuine enemies the United States by the way our ally you're gonna be like did they threw me in a room and harassed me buddy we have video of homeboy of you smiling, hugging and laughing. So which one is it? I don't know. Who said, who made the claim that he was harassed and detained and it sparked what? Himself. Himself.

1:51:16 And guess what it's going to do? His pants are going to be on fire? Watch this interview and see. It's all to get iPhone. And by the way, who's the interview with? Mike Huckabee. And how did he end up visiting Israel with Mike Huckabee? My assumption is Mike Huckabee was like, hey buddy, why don't you just come see for yourself? He attacked Huckabee. He's done it to me, by the way. He's asked me to go on his show. He attacked Huckabee. Huckabee went online and said, well, instead of attacking me, why don't you come talk to me? He said he would do it in Israel and that was, he didn't leave the airport. It's sort of a stunning thing. I was in Israel last summer. They did the interview in the airport. In the airport. Yeah, he didn't leave the airport. So he never won't walk around and talk to the people? No, he didn't leave the airport. He was there for about three hours. But he went to, where did he go to? And

1:51:59 walk around and talk to all the locals. Jordan, Qatar, multiple countries. And Christian groups in Israel, by the way, the only place in the Middle East where the Christian population is growing, Christian groups in Israel said, please stop saying these things. Please come. See the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, where they believe that Jesus was crucified. See where they believe Jesus' tomb was. Come and see these places. Didn't he just do an interview with somebody that said it's tough being a Christian in Israel, they treat you so... The older lady, the older weird with a mustache. I don't know who it was, but there was something. The nun with a mustache that lied? The nunstache.

1:52:31 Yeah. No, he does these interviews. But what was extraordinary is I was in Israel with many of my colleagues last summer, my freshman colleagues, and they were stunned by how different Christian sites were treated in the areas that were run by Israel, like the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in the Old City, versus how the Church of the Nativity was in Bethlehem, which was run by Hamas or whoever you were, the Palestinian Authority. So it's... It's very different, and he was given the opportunity to see the truth. I've said Tucker Carlson's the most dangerous anti-Semite in America, and the reason for that is he trades on a reputation he built over 20 years as a leader of conservative thought to now go on and say all of these lies.

1:53:10 But he did not leave the airport. Just think about that. He flew to Israel. He didn't go to Jerusalem. He didn't do the interview in Tel Aviv. He did it at the Ben-Gurion airport in a conference room. Hey, pal, you remember when I went to Israel and I came and brought—I went to the Armenian quarter— Best hummus in Israel. Great hummus. And I got you the gift from the Armenian quarter. There's four quarters in Jerusalem. There's the Jewish quarter, the Christian quarter, the Armenian quarter, and the Muslim quarter. That's the only quarter that no one else is allowed to visit, the Muslim quarter. But I'll tell you this. I took my mom. Remember, we interviewed Andrew Tate. It was June. I flew back, took my mom as my date to a wedding to my friend. And I know my mom loves to talk to people.

1:53:50 She can't not, like, just, I love my mom. It's... I said, mom, we're in line at LL Airlines. Don't talk to these people. They're not your friend. My mom can't help herself. Hey, how are you? I go, mom, stop talking to people. We got held up in line because my mom was too friendly. So if you've ever dealt with Israeli security, hot tip, they're a little on edge. They don't know who's coming in the country and God forbid you come in the country and you don't want to basically be a nice person and you want to Allah Akbar the whole country. They're a little immune to that and they're sensitive to that. I go, mom, we need to talk. Once we leave the airport and get into the plane, talk to whoever you want. Once we leave the plane and basically go through customs, no talking. bottom line is this israel takes security super super sensitive because they're dealing with terrorists all around them so tucker carlson you got caught

1:54:46 lying and there's video proof of them treating him nicely rob what is this uh this according to multiple sources it looks like the jerusalem uh i don't know what jp is but definitely the new york post uh confirming that tucker carlson did conduct the mike huckabee interview at the uh israeli airport in the airport basically he wouldn't leave the airport though And he was only there for three hours, including this horrific detention, apparently, where he was obviously tortured in the three hours that he did the interview and he left. But here's what I would say. If he doesn't want the world to see it, don't say you were detained because now everybody's going to want to see it. So if it's an embarrassing interview, you wouldn't promote it this way. I sort of wondered if he would claim that, oh, gosh, while I was detained, the video got deleted or something like that. I don't understand it. What do

1:55:36 you think? Like, oh, they took the chip. The chip went through the x-ray. The chip went through the x-ray. Oh, yeah. Well, we had a 120-gig chip that had it on it, went through the x-ray, and then it was damaged. Do you think Mike Huckabee recorded the conversation himself while he's sitting with Tucker? You know what I'm saying? I would assume so. You know how Trump says, any interview I do, I'm recording it myself as well in case you lie. Today, most celebrities or politicians have a PR person that sits there and says, we are recording as well. And they'll just put down a digital recorder right there. We're lying. We don't have a choice.

1:56:07 The audience can watch. I just want to add one thing. The challenge that I have is the hypocrisy. This is the same guy a year ago that went to Russia, interviewed literal war criminal, Vladimir Putin, went all over Russia and basically gleaned on, oh my God, they're so amazing. Look how clean it is. here. This is the guy that will kill. Look at the subways. Look at the groceries. So you're going to do that to Russia, who are actively fighting a war against funding Ukraine, but our ally Israel, you're going to treat them this way. This is why, for me, the credibility is so minimal at this point. If he would have went around Israel and generally did a fair criticism, I would respect that. Well, I don't know. I mean, in regard to going and interviewing everybody, that's That's his job.

1:56:50 He's supposed to go and talk to everybody, talk to this person, talk to that person. If you're going to be there, me as a Christian, and I know you stand in the same place, I'm going to those sites. I am a Christian. I don't care. You should. I'm going to see where the Messiah was preaching, where he was crucified, the tomb. I have to go see that as a Christian. I don't know if he's ever been there before, but even if I'm going for round two, I'm going to go there. I'm going to get on my hands and my knees and I'm going to pray for Christ because that's my Lord and Savior.

1:57:20 I'm not going to go to the airport and just stay there and make the claims that I was harassed unless I want people to be doing exactly what we're doing right now. And by the way, had he stayed for two hours more, he could have gone to the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. Round trip from the airport with time to visit it. I've been there. I usually end up donating my suit jacket Christian person who's not appropriately dressed and so I sit outside but I've been there he would have been welcomed as you know if you've been there and by the way it's not that you're forbidden from going to the Muslim quarter you're sort of told bad things could happen to you which they will my children's favorite place to eat in Israel is in the Armenian quarter that's why I talk about the hummus he could have gone he could have gone to Christian sites all over he could have said he could have gone to to the Sea of Galilee he could

1:58:05 have gotten rebaptized which many of my colleagues did look Tucker Carlson Carlson has gone insane. I mean, that's the only conclusion that you can draw. So I disagree with you on that. Insane is like, he doesn't know what he's doing. I actually think he knows exactly what he's doing. But I do want to give him credit because he said he was buying a house in Qatar. Crazy poll for you. Because he's an American, he buys a house in Qatar. So respect to you. Our audience. Don't show it, Rob. Do you trust Tucker Carlson? Our audience. What do you think they said? I think the answer is going to be lower today than it was six months ago or a year from now. Because six months ago was very high. Yes.

1:58:47 I mean, it's been. It was at 80, 90%. What do you think it is today? What was it six months ago? 40 what? 40, 60. 40 is what? 40 not trusting him. 60 trusting him? No, no, I'm sorry. The majority don't trust him. 40, 40. Yeah, 40 trust, 60% don't. What was it six months ago? I would say a year ago was 80%. I would say 60% of the audience doesn't trust. I would say his credibility has gone down dramatically, and if it was 80%, 90%, maybe it's 50-50 now. No, I would say 60-40, they don't trust. Your audience may be a little bit more dialed in because they watch you. What do you think?

1:59:21 Maybe it's 30-70 is my hope. Well, I'm— I'm closer to 50-50, but I'm going to go with Vinny at 60-40. Down from where it was previously. Look where it's at, guys. Exactly 50-50. Okay. That's our audience. By the way, that's a great audience. Yeah. Because that's a fair audience to say, here's where I'm at. I love it. Hey, audience, wherever you are, go like this to yourself. Yeah, pat yourself. He said you agree with Adam. The fact that they agreed with Adam, you got to give him an extra couple of cool points here. Well, actually, half of them. Because if you said Tucker can't be trusted. Actually, half of them. Why don't you take Adam out and just say. Half of them don't agree with Adam. That's also what that is. Do you trust? Why don't you do do you trust? Oh, you're welcome. I'm here if you need me. Change the poll. And by the way, folks, even if you're watching this, real quick, just vote. We're not going to know who's voting. We're

2:00:07 just curious. Because I do think he is still somebody that you watch to see. what he's doing and give it a minute. Give it a minute. It'll take a minute to see where the vote goes. My dad's voting real fast. The reality is this. Is it fair to say Tucker has lost credibility over the last year? Is that a fair statement? Absolutely. This would have been a year ago. What do you think? A year ago, this would have been 100%. Do you think Tucker's lost credibility? I do think so. I do think so with some of the, like, listen, at the end of the day, As in, I've never heard the words come out of an American's mouth when asked. Well, I mean, I've never heard the question asked, why are you buying a house in a completely Muslim country where you can't, Christianity is, you're outlawed. And he says, because I'm an American. What? It doesn't make, so that moment for me, I was like, wait a minute. That doesn't make sense, so

2:00:57 you'll lose credibility in that sense. He can't go practice Christianity. What's going to happen to him if he goes there? It's not good. good so either you know let's go to the next story i don't know where we end up here do you trust tucker 60 almost say no yeah so tom tom we're all you had to do was remove adam tom we're right by the way i pointed that out 46 so that means i'm increasing tucker's credibility wow interesting you made it go 50 50. shout out to our audience today for actually getting things right yeah okay there you go all right so let's go to the next story chicago bears big story guys Chicago Bears are about to become the Indiana Bears or the Hammond Bears. Makes no sense, but it's happening. And when you see the decision, the reason why they're doing it, it's wild. By the way, here is the mayor when talked about this.

2:01:45 Look what he does. Go ahead, Rob. All right, keep a straight face here. The Bears belong in the city of Chicago. The Chicago Bears belong in the city of Chicago. Oh, okay. And I've said repeatedly that the door is always open for conversations. Kevin Warren did call me yesterday. We didn't get a chance to connect. And I still firmly believe that their best position is in Chicago. And it's evidence. The evidence is clearly speaking for itself. Look, I can't get into the psyche and the motivation of this organization. We're all grateful that there's a winning team on the field. This weekend obviously is incredibly important, and there's going to be some pretty decent weather for us to be able to clench a playoff spot for the first time in a long time. So that's a good thing for our city and the morale of our city. And as far as what their motivations are, I can't speak to that. And my position has been very clear, you all know that. There's

2:02:49 not been a politician in this city that has worked as hard as I have. He's going to keep going. To ensure that the Bears have a package that keeps them quite frankly at the the the the most unique special property anywhere in our city. This guy's almost as hard as AOC. Catch the latest. Wow you know listening to the Chicago mayor talk about capitalism and business it's like listening to AOC talk about foreign policy. It's how they're struggling for words they don't know where to start and they don't know What's up? Well, I'll tell you what else happened.

2:03:27 What's going on here? The Chicago Bears are a business, ladies and gentlemen. And business in Chicago doesn't seem very good. And they're trying to build or rebuild the new stadium. They play at Soldier Field, which... Everyone, if you ask the fans of the Chicago Bears, and I know fans of the Bears, do you go up to Chicago to see your team once in a while? They say, yeah, but only September, October, only early games. Because if it's raining and it's windy or it's snowy, those November and early December games are just terrible. It's just horrible because of the way the stadium is built. It's an old, hulking stadium. It's an icon and a landmark in Chicago. Both of those things are true. But the business of the Chicago Bears? Pat?

2:04:10 an owner in a professional sports team it's a business and you want the best fan experience you want the best experience for the team and stadiums get modernized yankee stadium where you're an owner it's the second yankee stadium they rebuilt it to provide more services and experience and bigger bathrooms for the modern fan all these things and guess what Illinois' House of Revenue and Finance Committee held a hearing just this past Thursday that would allow the Bears or any other developer of a large project to negotiate long-term property taxes with local. But that got canceled. By who? With pressure from the mayor's office. Oh, that guy. And we must agree on a bill that will move things forward, J.B. Pritzker said. They have been sitting there screwing around on this for five months. And then what did the Bears say, Pat? You know what? We're a business. We've been negotiating with you guys for

2:05:07 five months. We'd just like you to know we have a location and we've got interest and we've got something cooking right over here in northwest Indiana. So we may do it there. And then all of a sudden they erupt because they're losing. It's like, listen. Illinois, listen Chicago, you're about to take the L. The Bears aren't leaving. You're about to lose them. You're about to lose the Bears to Northwest Indiana. The Bears aren't leaving. You're about to take the L. J.B. Pritzker and his Pritzker family are not having a good month. I know Rob, you want to play this video, Rob? Yes, J.B. while he was speaking is going, why is my brother texting me like this? Well, let me start with the fact that it was a surprise to us. The Bears actually yesterday, we completed more than three hours, my team did, of discussions with the Bears, very positive discussions, and indeed mostly agreed on a bill that would move forward this

2:06:10 morning. But they asked us not to move forward with it this morning because they said they wanted to tweak a couple of items in the bill, which were things that we were working with them on. And so to have a statement put out by the Bears, now they're saying to us that that statement is not some confirmation that they're moving to Indiana, but rather that Indiana had asked them to say that they're going to move forward with the negotiations in Indiana. But I have to say it's very disappointing to hear that they would put that statement out but not say anything about the advancement. Rob, you can stop it. By the way, when I say they're having a bad month, I mean, he's been having a bad year. His cousin Tom Pritzker just stepped down as chairman of the Hyatt because of his close relationship with Epstein. And now they're leaving after 105 years. But, guys, and, Tom, remember we talked about you said – J.B. Pritzker might be the presidential, I think, the way

2:07:08 that Chicago's been run, the way that Chirac, you're calling a place in your freaking city, Iraq. You let illegals come in. You're anti-cop. And then he's got his priorities wrong, Tom. He raised taxes and fees 50 times since he's been there. He spent nearly $3 billion on illegal immigrants. And then a million people have left Illinois since he became governor. This is it, guys. This is the proof in the pudding. This is, you get what you vote for, and this is it. They have no policies. They have no backbone. It's just Trump is evil. Trump is Hitler. But then when you look back and look at their city, you're like, hey, what are you guys doing? Absolutely nothing. And I really, dude, it's happening. They're definitely going to go to Indiana. I'm looking at this. I'm just pulling up numbers because to me, it's purely numbers, right? When you break it down to see how much taxes they're going to be paying for where they're at. So assessed value. Commercial property in Cook

2:08:01 County is assessed at 25% of market value, official rate. So if the land is valued at $200 million, assessed value is 25%, $50 million. Okay, great. So I'm going to come and say, guys, we would like to build it here, but give us a break. Like, we're bringing a lot of people to your city. Work with us. State equalizer factor, Illinois, applies a multiplier, often 2.9 to 3 in Cook County, which means if AV is assessed value is $50 million. What's the multiplier? Three times 50 is $150 million. Okay, so you understand? We'll tax you on that. So then roughly the tax on that is 6% to 7% of equalized value, assessed value.

2:08:45 So you got 6% of $150 million is what? $9 million. So initial estimated tax report is $16 to $20 million. They're looking at, okay, if I go to Hammond, I don't have to pay for this. They're working with me. They're sitting there saying, yeah, we'll work with you. You don't have to pay for this. So Indiana's approach could mean far lower annual payments than $50 to $75 million a year estimated in a scenario where a stadium paid full Illinois property tax. What are you going to do? If you're saving, say, $20 million a year and you put $20 million in EBITDA, 20x, You know, what's 20 million times 20x? You're saving 400 million bucks in valuation. Of course I'm going to a different place. It's just like New York.

2:09:29 Of course. What do you think I'm going to do? Indiana also is giving them a much larger parcel to have more parking on it for the fans, access to two large highways, and public transportation. I'm not lobbying for Indiana. I'm just saying it's going to end up being a better fan experience in addition to a better business decision. And you don't get shot and stabbed outside of the stadium. Well, you pay extra for that. That's the best part. Oh, you got to pay more for that. Season tickets to that is extra. So, by the way, what this tells you is if you want to build a sports team, By the way, we were, Tom, see if you remember this. We were last year looking at Valk Conference. You know what's one of the places we looked at for Valk Conference? What is that one team that plays, a college basketball team that plays in Chicago? Loyola Marymount?

2:10:16 Not Loyola. It's another one. Northwestern? No, it's another one. But they have a basketball stadium that fits 12,000 people. Let me see which one. DePaul. DePaul? I think it was DePaul. It could have been DePaul. So, Could have been Michael Jordan Stadium. I don't know which one it is, but we looked at it. And then while we're going through our person that gives us advice to a look at, the stadium looked beautiful. It would be a great arena. We'd fit 10,000, 12,000 people. He says, but if you look around the area, read this article. The article was the amount of crime that happens around that stadium. By the way, once they said that, we didn't even fly out to look at the property. Oh, wow. If I'm taking my kids to go look at a game, safety is critical. Safety is critical. You've got to think about the business. You've got to think about, by the way, I asked the question, what is the drive from the old stadium, the Bears stadium, to the new

2:11:05 stadium in Hammond? Soldier Field. It is 22 to 27 miles by road, 30 to 40 minutes traffic. The people will drive. Oh, yeah. The people will drive. They do. They go to the casinos there. Yeah, exactly. They will drive. You just lost a massive, massive. You lost Ken Griffin. You lost Citadel. You lost all of these other companies that left. And now you lose the Bears. By the way, maybe to the city of Chicago, losing the Bears is here. Oh, yeah. To the city of Chicago, you mean to tell me moving forward, I have to say the Hammond Bears? That's an insult. Are they still going to be called the Chicago Bears? Not Chicago Bears. The Bears. It's the same thing as New York. People can leave. That's what the socialist politicians don't understand. You can quit your local government. Just move your business. Well, teams move all the time. This isn't nothing new for teams. I mean, Tom's favorite team is the L.A. Dodgers. They broke Brooklyn's

2:12:02 heart when they moved in whatever year you were there doing their thing in the 50s. L.A. Dodgers. So... There you go, right there. The Raiders, your other team, they've been between Vegas, LA, Oakland, who knows, Seattle, Supersonic, Sean Kemp, Gary Payton, they became OKC, they just won a championship. Cleveland Browns, these things happen all the time for money, for stadiums, for bigger markets or better markets. But the Chicago Bears, if you know anything about pop culture, the 1985 Bears was arguably the best football team of all time, right? Walter Payton, Refrigerator Perry, Jim McMahon. It became such an iconic team that SNL reenacted it with the super fans. Remember Chris Farley? He's like, the Bears, the Bears, the Bears. They're so iconic.

2:12:49 By the way, fun fact, my mom's first cousin, Mark Trestman, was actually head coach of the Bears like 15 years ago. They didn't win because they haven't won anything. But got a beloved soft place in my heart for the Bears. But... Moving on to greener and more profitable pastures and nothing is forever. There you go. Well, you know, for me, when I would go to Chicago, and if you have friends from Chicago, let me tell you, there's one conversation that's going to come up, and that's the Bears, okay? You're going to talk about that. So this is a massive, massive loss, and I don't think it's going to slow down. And I think, by the way, if Mamdani continues going the direction he's going, Some stuff could happen with that area as well. We haven't heard any of it yet. Really? We got a lot of other stories to cover. You think the Knicks are going to move? No, but I think there could be something happening. The Knicks should cancel Spike

2:13:39 Lee. Can we do one last thing here? Let's finish up on this. Detriment to society. Elon Musk was asked about Jesus, and he said he agrees with Jesus teaching Christians, urging them to embrace the full gospel. Rob, is this in an interview? Go ahead, Rob. I agree with the principles that Jesus advocated. And that the, you know, there's some, there's great wisdom in what, in the teachings of Jesus, and I agree with those teachings. And things like toeing the other cheek are very important, because as opposed to an eye for an eye. An eye for an eye leads everyone blind.

2:14:24 So, forgiveness, you know, is important, and treating people as you would wish to be treated. Love thy neighbor as thyself. Very important. Benny. I mean, listen, when it's somebody like Elon that's worth hundreds of millions, he's about to, like you said last year, he's going to be one of the first guys here to hit a trillion. He controls rockets, satellites. Well, I mean, the Middle East, I'm pretty sure. Your boy Putin, he's definitely a trillion. He owns Russia. You know, Putin in the Middle East. The guy that owns satellites, AI, and all this, having that guy... leaning towards, you know, he talked about a creator last week. He's talking about Jesus because, I mean, undoubtedly, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, whatever, Jesus Christ was here. That's full stop. Whatever people want to believe who he was, I have a different belief. But having somebody like this, that's a step in the right direction. By the way, this guy owns the rockets. He owns freaking

2:15:21 AI. He's going to have an army of robots. Having him be on the Christian side and saying, turn the other cheek and stuff like that, I think it's such a, positive thing. I'm just curious if he takes the next step. Because acknowledging the teachings, but then becoming a Christian is a little different thing. Oh, Rob, this is good. If you want to play this as well, go for it. This is, you know who he is, Tim Allen, right? The actor. That's Tim Allen? Yeah. That's Tim Allen. Wow. Watch your language. It's very little preachy stuff. The Aramaic, French, Latin, and Greek versions of the Old Testament, page by page. I put it down if I drift. I got all the way through the Old Testament.

2:15:57 I'm four pages into the New Testament as of this morning. Reading it as a scientist is what one of two guys told me, a priest and a rabbi, he actually, let the words come to you. Do not look for meaning. It will come to you. And all of that has been, it's been life-changing. It's stories you'll derive, you know, it's mostly the Torah is about law. Law and consequence and all this. And the book of Job is the one that affected me most. And even in this version, they're not sure where that was even written. It might've been written way before the Old Testament. This whole story about a guy who asked the emanation, why are you so mean to me?

2:16:42 The emanation very rarely talks to humans because it's like speaking to an ant. You can't understand anything it says. And it said, listen, understand why the waves stop at the shore probably not do you understand why birds fly a certain time of day but not others isn't it great that when you're going through this journey independently yourself and it kind of cool when you're going through this yourself but to happen with elan do you think we will have a time where elan's wearing a big cross and doing podcasts and interviews that would be a weird day can you imagine when that takes place and then in his profile he's got like a cross team jesus anything is possible but if he does that And then, you know, going to the moon and all this. Who knows? Who knows what's going to happen? Either way, the future looks bright. But, guys, as usual, great conversation. Randy, it was great having you on. This was a great conversation. I didn't know where we were going to go

2:17:35 at the beginning, but it ended up being a good conversation. We covered a lot of different things. Rob, what do we have next week? Home Team Monday? Yes, sir. We were supposed to – we're doing a what? We're doing a pure Home Team Monday. Just Home Team Monday. Okay, beautiful. We'll do a Home Team Monday. Gang, have a wonderful – God bless. We will do it again next week. Go Hammond Bears. Take care, everybody. Bye-bye, bye-bye.

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