"They Will KILL Me!" Son of Hamas Founder Turned Israeli Agent on Islam 'Identity Crisis'

What this episode is about

The discussion centers on Masab Hassan Yusef, the son of a Hamas founder, who reflects on his journey from Islamist militant to Israeli agent, highlighting the dangers of indoctrination and extremist ideologies that fuel anti-Semitic violence. He emphasizes the troubling escalation of attacks against various communities and the broader implications of radicalization during conflicts like the Gaza war.

Key takeaways

• Extremism exploits narratives; one false tale can incite violence that reverberates globally.
• Radicalization can hide in plain sight, turning 'normal' lives into breeding grounds for terror.
• Demonizing groups fosters danger; nuanced views are crucial in a world quick to generalize.
• 80-90% of Islamist terror victims are Muslims, challenging simplistic narratives about widespread hatred.
• A shocking reminder: ideologies can globalize, but so can the empathy of peace-seeking individuals.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Piers Morgan (Host) · 15 min speaking
• Masab Hassan Yusef (Guest) · 22 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 5:00: Israel, Sydney, Muslims, Jews
2. 5:00 – 10:00: Jews, Muslims, Sydney, Masab Hassan Yusef
3. 10:00 – 15:00: Muslims, Jihad, Oxford Natural, Israel
4. 15:00 – 20:00: Muslims, PDS Debt, Piers Morgan
5. 20:00 – 25:00: Muslims, Sydney
6. 25:00 – 30:00: Muslims, Israel, October 7
7. 30:00 – 35:00: Muslims
8. 35:00 – 36:47: Muslims, Piers Morgan

Notable quotes from ""They Will KILL Me!" Son of Hamas Founder Turned Israeli Agent on Islam 'Identity Crisis'"

• This is the outcome of two years of head for indoctrination, demonizing the Jews and delegitimizing Israel. What did they mean by globalizing Antifa? That means taking it to…

  about Israel · at 0:01

• Masab Hassan Yusef is the son of the Hamas founder and was an Islamist militant to his defection to Israel and he joins me now. Masab, welcome back to Uncensored.

  about Masab Hassan Yusef · at 1:30

• It started on October 7 and actually it started way before October 7. But instead of understanding Israel position that Israel had no choice.

  about October 7 · at 2:16

• And since then they have been saying globalize the antifada. What did they mean by globalizing antifa? Means taking it to Sydney, take it to New York, take it to LA. Just the…

  about Sydney · at 4:29

• Pure potential, pure humanity. This is what we need to see. And after that, people labeled him a Muslim.

  about Ahmed El Ahmed · at 9:34

• Know the Quran, who don't know the Islamic law, who don't know that they are actually required for physical and financial and social jihad. If they don't understand it, if they…

  about Jihad · at 11:49

• Today's show is sponsored by Oxford Natural, makers of the Optimum Day and Optimum Night, all natural supplements.

  about Oxford Natural · at 14:10

• Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent. The only boss around here is me. If you enjoy our show, we ask for only one simple thing. Hit subscribe on YouTube and follow Piers Morgan.

  about Piers Morgan · at 36:15

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Masab Hassan Yusef — Person · Main guest · 2 mentions · first at 1:30
  He provides the central argument: radicalization stems from Islamic doctrine (jihad/Sharia) and anti-Israel narratives; he also shares personal history as son of a Hamas founder and former Islamist.
• Piers Morgan — Person · Host / interviewer · 3 mentions · first at 1:36
  He frames the debate, challenges Masab's claims about Islam and violence, and emphasizes not tarring all Muslims while acknowledging rising anti-Semitism.
• Ahmed El Ahmed — Person · Referenced individual (hero figure) · 2 mentions · first at 9:40
  Ahmed is cited as the courageous bystander who intervened during the Sydney attack; Masab uses him to argue true morality transcends identity labels.
• Michael Owen — Person · Referenced endorser (ad testimonial) · 1 mention · first at 14:31
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• AFTV's Robbie — Person · Referenced endorser (ad testimonial) · 1 mention · first at 14:36
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  AFTV's Robbie, who lost more than 100 pounds.

Companies & orgs

• Hamas — Company · Core topic (militant org referenced) · 3 mentions · first at 0:21
  Hamas is presented as the target of Israel's war after October 7 and as part of Masab's personal background (his father wanted him to become a Hamas terrorist).
  York, take it to LA. As my father wanted me to follow his footsteps of becoming a Hamas terrorist and I dropped that idea.

Concepts & topics

• Muslims — Person Group · Core topic (group discussed) · 29 mentions · first at 0:50
  The discussion repeatedly distinguishes between peaceful Muslims and Islamist/jihadist ideology, focusing on radicalization, identity, and backlash against Muslims in the West.
  Bondi Beach. What's clear is that they were driven by extremist ideology and anti-Semitic hatred. Number of attacks against both Muslims and Jews living in the West has…
• Jews — Person Group · Core topic (targeted minority discussed) · 4 mentions · first at 0:04
  The episode centers on anti-Semitic violence and fear among Jews in the West, and the claim that demonization of Israel spills into hatred of Jews globally.
  What we were expecting, this has been a jihad campaign against the Jewish minority, and most people are in denial.
• Jihad — Concept · Core topic (mechanism of violence per guest) · 2 mentions · first at 10:49
  Masab claims jihad is a unique, foundational Islamic requirement (not merely 'inner struggle') and links it to global anti-Jewish violence and Islamist ambitions.

Places & events

• Israel — Place · Core topic (state central to conflict framing) · 8 mentions · first at 0:07
  Israel is framed as responding to October 7 and fighting Hamas; Masab argues global narratives demonize Israel and fuel anti-Jewish violence abroad.
• October 7 — Event · Catalyst event referenced · 4 mentions · first at 2:16
  October 7 is treated as a major trigger for the Gaza war and subsequent global polarization; Masab claims celebrations and narratives after it fueled anti-Jewish violence.
• Sydney — Place · Core topic (site of referenced attack) · 8 mentions · first at 0:12
  Sydney is the focal location for the triggering news event: a father-and-son anti-Semitic terror attack and the heroism of Ahmed who intervened.
• LA — Place · Referenced location (alleged plot target) · 2 mentions · first at 0:14
  Masab cites an FBI-exposed plot targeting Los Angeles as evidence of spillover threats tied to pro-Palestine/leftist networks.
  It to LA. Just the other day, the FBI exposed a plot targeting Los Angeles for plans to attack simultaneously at New Year's Eve and they are affiliated with the pro Palestine.…

Sponsors

• Oxford Natural — Company · Sponsor (advertised product) · 2 mentions · first at 14:10
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Full transcript with timestamps

0:01 This is the outcome of two years of head for indoctrination, demonizing the Jews and delegitimizing Israel. What did they mean by globalizing Antifa? That means taking it to Sydney, take it to New York, take it to LA. As you know, my father wanted me to follow his footsteps of becoming a Hamas terrorist and I dropped that idea.

0:25 Well, let me ask you, are you a Christian? I don't identify as a Christian. Okay. Why were you baptized in 2004 as a Christian?

0:33 It was a symbolic thing. But surely symbolic of becoming a Christian. That's the why you do it. Do you pray?

0:39 I don't pray because usually when you have to pray, you have to ask for something materialist.

0:44 Do you celebrate Christmas? You still can wish me a merry Christmas. I'm not against it. We I am also happy to celebrate with Muslims, you know, if they don't kill me. Details are still emerging about the father and son who wrought terror on Bondi Beach. What's clear is that they were driven by extremist ideology and anti-Semitic hatred. Number of attacks against both Muslims and Jews living in the West has escalated sharply since the Gaza war began. There are legitimate fears innocent Jewish people have been endangered by the actions of the Israeli state, just as many peaceful Muslims bore the brunt of racism after 911. and extremism will be a key concern even if the Gaza ceasefire holds with many thousands of young people now grieving incalculable loss. My next guest knows more about most than radicalization.

1:30 Masab Hassan Yusef is the son of the Hamas founder and was an Islamist militant to his defection to Israel and he joins me uh now. Masab, welcome back to Uncensored.

1:39 Hi Pier, good to see you. Just first of all your reaction to this appalling terror attack in Sydney. Well, this is horrible. This is the outcome of uh two years of uh headful indoctrination, demonizing the Jews, uh dehumanizing and delegitimizing Israel. What we were expecting, this has been a jihad campaign against the Jewish minority, and most people are in denial. It started on October 7 and actually it started way before October 7. But instead of understanding uh Israel position that Israel had no choice but to fight and eliminate Hamas.

2:34 The world accused Israel of committing genocide. Then so many false narratives were built on that theory that Israel is committing genoc genocide in Gaza and that led to the hatred against the Jewish people. It led to the Sydney attack to Manchester attack and it will lead to more attacks. Many times I said forcehood will eventually lead to violence false narrative of occupation of genocide of ethnic cleansing things actually don't exist in reality there is a tragedy in Gaza nobody celebrating this tragedy in Israel no Israeli politician or citizen wanted to go into Gaza it's Not a fun trip.

3:28 It's not a walk in the park. Israel after the atrocity of October 7 had to send its best men to die in Hamas booby traps where they cannot even differentiate combatant from civilian where the terrorists jihadists used their own people as human shields. So the outcome has been catastrophic. We understand this. But the world instead of understanding Israel position, what they did? They have been accusing Israel. They have demonized the Jewish people. And now they want to go after in a Jewish hunt after the Jewish people worldwide.

4:14 And nobody's stopping them. They're going unchecked. What What did they mean when they said globalize the antifa from the beginning? They triumphed on October on October 8th they celebrated the atrocities against civilians and since then they have been saying globalize the antifada. What did they mean by globalizing antifa? Means taking it to Sydney, take it to New York, take it to LA. Just the other day, the FBI exposed a plot targeting uh Los Angeles for uh plans to attack simultaneously at New Year's Eve and they are affiliated with the pro Palestine. They are not jihadists. They are not Muslims. They are leftists. But their ideology now is free Palestine and free Hawaii. This is what the FBI found with those guys. So the hateful indoctrination does not go in void. Pierce, this is what we need to understand. So So here's the question I have for you because you know a lot about this issue. You know both sides of

5:23 the of the issue. Uh you've lived on both sides of the issue. Here you had in in Sydney a situation where a father and son are clearly become radicalized. They've been in Australia for a number of years since the early 2000s in the case of the father seemingly living normal lives in the communities. One slight red flag with the son a few years ago which the authorities perhaps wrongly as it's turned out concluded was not serious enough to warrant further investigation about who he was associating with. And then they become full-blown ISIS, you know, banners in their car and they go and attack any Jewish people they can target. But we also saw a Muslim go in and display extraordinary courage in stopping one of these uh assassins and for his trouble getting shot up and is now in hospital recovering thankfully. And it raises I guess the the complexity of this which is there are two billion Muslims in the world and

6:26 there are 15 million Jews. So a massive disparity in the numbers there. But people keep telling me you know a lot of Muslims agree with these Islamists. A lot of Muslims share this feeling. To which my instinctive response is, well, if that is the case, if even you had 10% of the world's Muslims who felt that way, that's 200 million people. So there would be these atrocities happening all the time and they're not. And in fact, I would go further and say that, you know, about 80 to 90% of all the victims of Islamist terrorism are fellow Muslims, right? So it's not as straightforward as some people with their own agendas like to portray this issue.

7:13 What do you feel about the the reality here? How many of the Muslim population do you think share a hatred of Jews for example? How many would have sympathy with Hamas or Hezbollah or the Houthis or ISIS or whatever it may be? You know what is the reality here? Because if it was hundreds of millions, I would just assume the whole planet would be in flames all the time. and is not and I feel very strongly for Muslim friends of mine that I know uh that they every time one of these things happen everyone wants to tar the whole religion with the same brush of extremism which we don't do with other religions when people do it in you know if they're extreme Christians or Hindus or whatever it may be it's not the same rule applied so what do you feel about that

8:00 you know first of all speaking of a father and son As you know, my father wanted me to follow his footsteps of becoming a Hamas terrorist basically and this is when I dropped that idea and I went against the interest of the family. On the other hand, I was born a Muslim myself. I studied Islam. I studied classic Arabic. I I memorized huge portions of the Quran. I prayed to Allah five times a day. I was a devout Muslim. I was born in the mosque, literally in the mosque. I went to a Sharia school. I studied the Islamic law and but at some point when I realized that it was a dead end, that it was leading to more violence and that nothing could satisfy the Islamic ambition. I had to drop that Islamic identity. By the way, speaking of this hero in Sydney and I tell you from personal experience that this man in that uh moment he dropped all his identity. You think when he was when he throw himself in the fire

9:13 he was thinking to himself I am a Muslim or I am a Australian he dropped his entire interest. He risked his life, his physical body, his future and he jumped into the fire to stop the killer.

9:30 At that moment he was not a Muslim. He was he did not have any identity. He was pure pure potential, pure humanity. This is what we need to see. And after that, you know, people labeled him a Muslim. Why? Because they have guilt. and especially the same crowd that has been demonizing the Jews and calling to slaughter the Jews. Those are the ones who found opportunity to identify with heroism. They want to be uh they wanted to be heroism when it's convenient, when it suits their narrative. But they did not see the other side, the killer, the the embodiment of evil who was shooting civilians. They should they should actually identify with the other side with the dark side because this is the actual manifestation of their hateful indoctrination over the last two years.

10:23 They have celebrated October 7. Then they celebrated ballistic Muslim attacks on civilians in Israel where they rain like uh uh it was insane to see that celebration against civilians and the indiscriminate attack against civilians and many of them by the way back in the day also celebrated uh suicide bombing attacks. So now the thing is is the problem is not with the Muslims. The problem is with Islam itself with jihad itself and jihad is a unique concept only to the religion of Islam. You cannot find it in Christianity.

11:03 But what I would say to that not in Hinduism but just let me let me finish. It's it's important please please let me finish. So the thing is the Muslims, the vast majority of Muslims are peaceful people. They don't want violence. This is the human nature. The human nature is against violence. This what makes us different than the animals. But the problem when Muslims identify with Islam, they give cover to the jihadists. And in many cases, they identify with something they completely oppose. And this is the identity crisis within Islam. And this is why I say to many of those peaceful Muslims who identify with Islam and they could be in the hundreds of millions who don't even know the Quran, who don't know the Islamic law, who don't know that they are actually required for physical and financial and social jihad. If they don't understand it, if they haven't gone to a Sharia school like I did, they

12:03 go identifying because they think this is their ethnicity, but it's not. It's a labor slapped on them. And I think in a moment where they have to choose between the higher interests of humanity or some identity given to them by their parents, they have to choose the high the higher interest of humanity the same way this hero Ahmed in in Sydney did.

12:27 I think it's a really interesting point because I think you're right. In the moment, he wasn't making, I suspect, calculations about who the intended targets were, who the aggressors were, or anything. He was just seeing people getting shot and had a chance to try and stop it. And that was the act of of courage. But again, I come back to the fact that we tend to tar two billion people with a sense that they're all in on this kind of thing. And obviously, as you just said, the vast majority of Muslims are peaceloving people who want nothing to do with this. Uh, and the vast majority of victims of of Islamist extremism are Muslims, right? So, what do we do about this going forward?

13:13 You know, I I can't make there's no justification for what these people did. Obviously, it was hatefilled and aimed specifically in this case at Jewish people. I completely understand why Jewish people around the world feel very scared about this kind of thing happening, particularly off the back of the rising tide of anti-semitism in the last two years. It's been it's been horrific to watch. And again, I think a lot of people are blaming Jewish people for the actions of Israeli government, which some people support and other people think have gone way too far and that that has inflamed anti-Israeli sentiment and people conflate Israelis with Jews and so on. And I think there's a lot of that going on too. So there's a lot of there's a lot of hatred going on generally and it's generalized and it's sweeping. What do we do about this, Mos?

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16:00 Uh they were uh justifying killing baby girls and Muhammad was against it and he was persecuted because of that. but also he did some aggressive uh things. uh he uh launched jihad against his opponents and when it came to the Jewish communities of the Arab Peninsula, he wiped them out and now uh there are hadiths for example in Islam that calls for uh the uh annulation of the Jewish uh tribe completely and that's a hadith. It's in the most trusted Islamic sources and it's confirmed by all the Islamic uh scholars. Now the thing is Muslims it looks like they are incapable of rewriting these laws. Anyone who tried to criticize Islam gets accused with Islamophobia. I am one of them. I have been saying this for many many years and for the last 15 years since the social media generation.

17:11 uh many Muslims have been radicalized because they have access to radical uh platforms and now the thing is instead of trying to help uh the moderate Muslims to overcome their fear and criticize and try to reform Islam, what we have been doing, we have been censoring every attempt to criticize Islam. They placed a death sentence over me. I guarantee you that the vast majority of Muslims they don't want me dead. But according the Islamic law because I changed my religion or because I renounced Islam there is a death sentence over my head. So the Islamic law says Muhammad precisely say whoever changes his religion kill him. This this is the this is the death sentence that my father validated over my head because I renounced the Islamic violence and the Islamic jihadism. So now many people don't want to be in my position. It's not a good position because they would be shunned from their families or they

18:19 would be shamed by the society. They could be labeled as traitors and these are very dangerous uh labels that most people don't want to have to go through. But the end of the day especially Muslims in the west instead of going actually against the values of the west or exploiting the values in the west to just uh criticize the west they should be doing the opposite. They should be trying to help reform Islam. Islam was written in the seventh century. Judaism also was written uh thousands of years ago but the Jews were able to reform it.

19:00 There there are violent verses in Judaism but it has been reformed. It has been integrated and today in the 21st century we cannot take ideology or a belief system from the seventh century and try to force it into the 21st century.

19:18 But there are people Muslim. This is the responsibility. Yeah. There are people who say that that the Quran, for example, it it gets interpreted and spun deliberately to look like it's inciting violence by those who want to propagate violence. In other words, they twist the meaning of the text to suit their violent intent. Um, and you know, the Bible, I'm a Christian, the Bible's full of violence, obviously. Um but that the Quran comparative to the Bible is nowhere near as violent. You know, it's just a fact. Um but it gets twisted and used uh in a sort of propaganda way as if somehow it is an intreaty of violence. Isn't that part of the problem that I agree with you about social media that social media is radicalizing people all over the place and they may be being educated via social media in a very deliberate targeted way by those who are on the extremist edge of this stuff who are saying look the Quran makes it crystal

20:20 clear you have to do this this this and this whereas most moderate Muslims I've talked to say that is not what it means at all it's it's being twisted and used in a way to encourage encourage violence.

20:33 Okay. So, here is uh what I think. I think for all those the peaceful uh Muslims

20:44 who don't choose violence and still identify with Islam without understanding it. First of all, I invite them to study what jihad actually means. And many try to uh explain jihad as inner struggle, but it's not. In the Quran, it's obvious. Jihad is a fundamental uh pillar in the Islamic belief system. And it's jihad where a Muslim is required to sacrifice himself or herself uh if necessary to establish ailafa. Akilafa is a global state. It's not the Islamic state that we saw this ugly images coming out of Syria and out of Sydney. It's a global Islamic state where there is only one Islamic ruler.

21:37 Islam does not believe in diversity or multiplicity. They don't believe in other religions. Actually what what it really means when Muslims sayahillah it means literally there is no definity divinity but Allah this means cancellation of Judaism of Buddhism of Hinduism of Christianity of all other belief systems and consider Islam as the only and final uh belief well this is very very dangerous but this is the essence

22:12 but that is rejected isn't it but again I come back to this. So in in the United States there are about 5 million Muslims and about 5 million Jews. In the UK about 5 million Muslims and 250,000 Jews. So very different uh breakdown. But the reality is in both countries that in the majority of cases you would say there's been pretty good assimilation of both those groups of people into normal society. In the United States and the UK, there have been some bad incidents, but there hasn't been, it's not like you've got thousands of people rampaging around all day, every day committing terrible acts.

22:56 In other words, it seems to me that the majority of Muslims in the US and the UK go about their lives integrated pretty well with with the culture and society they live in and don't want to pursue acts of violence. And so I come back to the fact that if you take that across the world with two billion people, the number of extremists is very small. Otherwise, we'd be seeing a lot more of this stuff going on. So again, I don't know what the answer is here, but I do know that it's not a case that the majority of Muslims support this or and want any part of it. And that's my problem with how these how these when these incidents blow up. I go on social media and all I see is appalling Islamophobia. I also see a lot of anti-semitism. I see a lot of hatred generally spewing around. But it just remains clear to me that the vast majority of Muslims do not want to be violent. And yet there is this

23:56 perception amongst people that that's the inevit the inevitability of a growing Muslim population is they want to take over the country. Like in the UK they want to take us over and they want to instill uh the Muslim culture over all others have their own legal system, their own rules, everything else. And I just don't see that. I I see bits of that. I see there are certainly some Muslims in UK that feel that, but the vast majority do not seem to want that. Christmas is peak time for online shopping sprees, but that also means it's peak time for hackers and data brokers who steal your information online. The solution is very simple. Use ExpressVPN to shut them down. Top tier encryption keeps your activity hidden, even on dodgy public Wi-Fi, which is perfect for holiday travel. You can set your location to 105 different countries, which lets you access content from all over the world. Users save

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25:20 Exactly. And I don't blame you. I think your observation is accurate and it is it is the truth. But the thing is why identify with something that you completely oppose. It like for example uh Muslims who don't believe in jihad.

25:37 It's very similar to uh meate eaters who identify as vegans. They are not vegans and the Muslims who don't believe in jihad basically they are not Muslims. They are going against Islamic law. They are going against all the Islamic but that's the point of Islam. It's not up to them.

25:54 Yeah. But hang on that's the crucial point right there. Right there. So what you your position is that if you follow the faith of Islam then you automatically have to sign up to violence. Whereas I from everything I've heard from my moderate Muslim friends of which I have many is that that is not how they interpret Islam. They do not see Islam as a faith that necessitates you being violent. It's the extremists that every religion has and because there are two billion Muslims, there's going to be exponentially more probably Muslim extremists in other religion just simply on numbers. but that they do not see Islam itself as the problem. They see extremism and extremist interpretation of Islam as the problem.

26:44 And they make a clear delineation. Whereas it seems to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, but your position is anybody that follows the faith of Islam, two billion people right now do that, that they must all follow a path of violence or they are reneging on what it means to follow Islam. again to identify with something that you don't understand and try to just uh manipulate it to suit your position because your uh perception of yourself that you are a peaceful person

27:21 yet you give cover to the jihadists and to the bad guys and you legitimize uh a belief system that does not believe in the other uh others right to exist. Uh I for example the prophet Muhammad when a bunch of uh Arabians came to him and they said we became Muslims. He said don't say that you became Muslims. He said

27:57 meaning that you only Muslims. Even Muhammad himself considered Muslim is just a very basic uh level entry level into Islam. But if you really want to look at a bright side that's SufiM Sufis and there are so many Sufi masters in the west in Europe also in the east uh that actually stay away from politics completely. They withdraw like the hanif like Muhammad when he went abandoned Mecca and went up to the mountain uh in a long retreat seeking spirituality seeking God in devotion. I highly encourage the Muslims actually to do this to look within and to drop the label including the Muslim label. What's the point of identifying as a Muslim means that you are entitled for something. What do you want in return?

28:54 And especially in days where the Muslim card pays. And what I say that drop the identity completely. First of all, you're a human being. Be a good person. Be like Ahmed. When you see the hateful campaign against the Jewish minority, very productive, very successful people that actually have very good relationship with the Muslims. There are so many Muslims in Israel. There are so many Arabs in Israel. And they have equal rights. They have their mosques. They have even representatives in the Israeli parliament. So, Israel and the Jewish people don't look towards the Muslim Muslims with hatred. So, now when when we see the waves especially after October 7 spreading hatred against the Jewish people, then I see two billion people. Okay, let them be even 7 billion people agreeing on barbarism.

29:52 uh then I will have to confront all of them. So why do they identify with something they don't understand? Before they are Muslims, they are humans. We are all children of God. Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, Hindus, we are all expressions of the divine, individualized expressions of the divine. And for us what we need to find, we need to find our individuality before we need to hide behind the mask. Actually, if you look at what is a Muslim, can you please help me define a Muslim? What is a Muslim? Can you define it? I I bet you would be able to find a definition for for what a Muslim is. So, everybody, it's only in their head. And at the end of the day, we think that they are two billion, but they are not two billion. And when I meet a Muslim, usually as as long as they haven't identified as a Muslim, I only see their individuality. I see a human being in front of me and I am able to communicate with them on a personal

30:58 level. Now the moment they slap or they just uh raise the uh religious card, this is when I am concerned. This is when I don't trust that person. the only time when they identify as a Muslim. But as long if you really want to be a good person, you don't need actually to be anybody. You don't need the identity. You can just show me who you are through your practice, not through the theories that given to you, especially theories from the seventh century. You know, Ahmed showed the entire world. Ahmed showed the entire world through practice. I ask but if I'm mo if I was a Muslim listening to this

31:39 I'd say okay this guy used to be a Muslim and he says we shouldn't identify as a Muslim okay that's an argument but you're a Christian convert so my immediate response would be if I was one of them if I was a Muslim I'd say well why why do you identify as a Christian then if you don't want people to be identified by religious labels why did you convert to Christianity why do you call yourself a Christian it's the same argument it's just another religion Well, this is basically a a a label that is given to me. I don't identify. How many times we had conversations? I don't identify.

32:15 Let me ask you, are you a Christian? Uh I am influenced by the teachings of Yeshua. Okay, this is very different thing. It inspired me the principle of love thy enemy uh of unconditional love of forgiveness. Uh so these were very important principles when I was finding my way out of but are you a Christian or not? I did not but I but here

32:43 I don't identify as a Christian. Okay. Because what is Christian? What denomination? What book? Uh what fellowship? If I to identify as a Christian it could be anything. It could be extreme Christian. Why were you so my question must why were you baptized in 2004 as a Christian? It was a symbolic thing.

33:06 Why would you do that? I did not. It was symbolic. It was a symbolic event, you know. But surely symbolic of becoming a Christian. That's the why you do it.

33:19 No, baptism for me it was symbolic and I I get baptized every day. I have been a yogi a yoga practitioner for almost 15 years. I haven't been to a church for 15 years. So now you can also label me by things that I did some 15 years ago.

33:38 Who do you who do you pray? Do you pray? I don't pray because usually when you have to pray, you have to ask for something materialist. I don't pray for anything. Okay?

33:49 I'm responsible for my actions and I don't need much in this in this life. All I need to just uh be able to breathe freely, be able to walk freely and to see children uh out of the harm's way to see women safe.

34:08 This is where the society where I came from. And unfortunately, you know, when you look at the Muslim world, how do they treat their their women? Forget about the West and the peaceful people, your friends that you hang out with and you have good time. Look at the Muslim world. How do they treat their women? How do they treat their children? The child abuse and the child indoctrination. This is what actually define a society. And this has been my journey. You know that I overcome so many obstacles to find my freedom. And of course, I did not leave the religion of Islam to come to the religion of Christianity. You know actually for those who understand the essence of uh Yeshua's uh teachings they find freedom they out of religion they don't go and lock themselves up you celebrate I don't identify

34:59 do you celebrate Christmas uh I don't celebrate uh holidays for me they are meaningless for me I celebrate life

35:11 I only ask I ask you when I wake up in the morning it's like a new birth. I understand. Look, I only asked you because I was going to end the interview, which has been fascinating. I always enjoy having you on sensor, but I was going to end the interview by wishing you a merry Christmas, but in light of what you've just said, I won't.

35:28 You still can wish me a merry Christmas. I'm not against it. So, when I say I don't identify as a Christian, doesn't mean I don't celebrate with with my Christian friends. Now, we are celebrating Hanukkah. We I am also happy to celebrate with Muslims, you know, if they don't kill me because I I renounce my uh my religion. So the thing is we are all children of life and uh we can all always find the truth as long as we are truthful. We must drop the mask and stop pretending and just be truthful to who we are.

36:03 Mab, really good to talk to you. Thank you very much indeed for coming back on Uncensored and I wish you a very merry Christmas.

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The discussion centers on Masab Hassan Yusef, the son of a Hamas founder, who reflects on his journey from Islamist militant to Israeli agent, highlighting the dangers of indoctrination and extremist ideologies that fuel anti-Semitic violence. He emphasizes the troubling escalation of attacks against various communities and the broader implications of radicalization during conflicts like the…

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