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MAGA Has A Major Candace Owens Problem

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "MAGA Has A Major Candace Owens Problem", an episode of Pod Save America published December 18, 2025 (15 min, about 3,132 words). It mentions 10 people, works and ideas, including Federal Government of the United States, French government, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Seth Rich, PoE America.

What this episode is about

Candace Owens has ignited a significant rift within the MAGA movement by promoting conspiracy theories surrounding the death of Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk, including implausible claims about various individuals and groups being implicated. After a lengthy meeting with Kirk's widow, Erica, Owens continues to reject substantial evidence pointing to a specific suspect, drawing intense criticism and raising questions about her credibility within the right-wing community.

Key takeaways

  • Conspiracy theories thrive on suspense—Candace Owens' narratives echo a Crichton thriller minus the facts.
  • Like a magician's trick, Owens' shifting accusations distract from evidence, stirring chaos among MAGA ranks.
  • Death conspiracies cross continents and time: from Israeli plots to JFK parallels—Owens goes global.
  • Frenzied finger-pointing turns podcast into courtroom; evidence is the ghost in Candace's grand theater.
  • In conspiracy showdowns, it's about attention, not truth—Owens' truth-spinning nets both critics and converts.

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  1. – 3:00: French government
  2. – 9:00: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion
  3. – 15:00: PoE America, Seth Rich

Notable quotes from "MAGA Has A Major Candace Owens Problem"

  • A bunch of different people and entities were responsible. So, there's the Israeli government, the French government. There was something weird about an Egyptian plane maybe…
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  • Really subtle, right? It's like it's like a true crime podcast merged with a dramatic reading of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, right? Like what was that?
    about The Protocols of the Elders of Zion · at
  • It's it's bad. If I interviewed the guy who wrote the book about Seth Rich, the DNC staffer was killed, but then the conspiracy was that like maybe the DNC killed. Yes.
    about Seth Rich · at
  • Build our own progressive independent media company. So, please subscribe to PoE America here on YouTube. We're trying to build something to push back on people like Candace…
    about PoE America · at

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Full transcript with timestamps

Right-wing podcaster and professional conspiracy theorist Candace Owens has almost single-handedly kicked off an intra magga civil war and we're going to update you on some major new developments today. So, the latest controversy revolves around Candace's many theories about who killed Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk. On Monday, Candace met with Erica Kirk, Charlie Kirk's widow, for four and a half hours. Does not sound very fun for anyone involved. Uh Candace later went on Pierce Morgan's show to discuss the meeting. Let's see if Erica convinced Candace to kind of cool it with the conspiracy theories about her husband's death.

Do do you believe that it is now most likely that Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk?

Absolutely not. I haven't seen one piece of compelling evidence that Tyler Robinson scaled the rooftops like Spider-Man on a college campus that he didn't go to uh and fired one shot, a magic bullet shot uh in and killed Charlie Kirk. I just I have not seen one piece of compelling evidence. In fact, I've seen more compelling evidence to the contrary. So,

I guess the texts where Tyler Robinson says, "I did it." aren't compelling. the texts, the uh testimony that we'll get from the roommate, the parents, um the mountains of evidence, uh the ballistics, the gun. I mean, how do how deep does it go, Candace? Are we all in on it? Are you the only person who has been uh who has been not told the truth about the killing here?

It is wild. So, over the last few months, Candace has suggested that like a bunch of different people and entities were responsible. So, there's the Israeli government, the French government. There was something weird about an Egyptian plane maybe following Erica around. I I just like literally have not had time to dig into that one. Um, Candace suggested that Turning Point USA staffers might have been behind Charlie's death. She even seemed to suggest that Erica Kirk might be somehow involved in the conspiracy. Um, so Pierce Morgan put the question to Candace directly in this interview like, "Who do you think killed Charlie Kirk?"

Here is uh some of her very voluminous answer. Okay. What do you believe happened to him? Who do you think killed him?

So, I can't tell you definitively who pulled the trigger. I'm not going to lie to audiences and just put something out there that's not real. Um, but what I can say is I I feel convinced that the feds were involved. I can tell you that. I I think the feds were involved in staging a cover up. I think Cash Patel knows what happened and did not happen on that day. Um, I am convinced by me being told by people that are feds that he is not acting right and that he is not wanting to share any information. Just a couple of people are allowed to even see anything. Uh, a Fed told me that they can't even touch the Charlie Kirk file without risk of being fired and that he he, you know, he's grown increasingly mad. the US marshalss that were there when they were doing the quote unquote manh hunt for 33 hours said that Cash Patel effectively sent them on a wild goose chase which is what was signal to the public when he said we

got him and it was actually the wrong person and so it caused people to stop looking because they were convinced they had had the shooter. Um they felt that that was in order to allow the real perpetrators of the crimes to get away. I

but that could just be that could just be the fog of the immediacy of these things

a couple months for Cash Mattel there. Let let me tell you what's uh what's a hard one to swallow that uh Cash Patel is actually just a a mastermind uh who's been if anything who's been playing this whole thing as opposed to an attention-hungry media

uh who couldn't wait to just tweet out uh the wrong person as he was wearing his women's small FBI jacket

at dinner in New York by the way. At dinner in New York. Yeah. Um, uh, PICE like later tries to pin Candace down and asks if she's like directly accusing TPOSA staffers. And she goes on this rant about the JFK assassination and about how like LBJ was involved, therefore the Dallas police had to be involved. Absolutely. And Israel was involved. JFK was

if there's someone who's been killed, look to the Jews. We're going to get to that in a second. Um, but like uh Candace has also been going after um Cash Patel's girlfriend.

So I didn't know this until she's MSA, right? Well, no. So, John, she she does this segment about how she's like, "I'm not saying she's a facade honeypot. There's no evidence of that." But, uh, she goes, "Her dad and her grandfather were part of the California Freemasons."

What? What? I What does that I have no idea. I don't even know what that means.

I I don't know either. She's also called on Cash to resign. And so, like there, for those who don't know, Cash Patel's girlfriend is this like

I'm not going to country singing sensation. Country singing sensation. Thank you, Tommy. She's been accused of being um a honeypot for the msad. I think the evidence seems to be that people think she's attractive and that Cash Patel is ugly. Um and now she's suing a bunch of content creators, mostly right-wingers, for defamation, including Candace, who I think got a strike through YouTube to pull down uh Alexis's song.

Well, let it be known that my view of this woman is that she is a country singing sensation.

She's a sensation. She would not like to be sued. We should note too that um the the deputy director uh guy named a def deputy FBI director, a guy name Dan Bonino just like kind of quiet quit his job.

He's out to return to podcasting. And I got to say I love doing this with you, but like you don't get the chance to be the deputy FBI director very often. It's kind of weird.

Yeah. Well, I'm certain I'm certainly not returning to government, but um you know, returning to podcasting is very funny. I I had to spend more time with my podcast.

So, uh John, I want to tell you some view counts for Candace's last uh couple live videos.

Can I guess? Yeah, I want to guess a range. Are we doing uh are these like live stream concurrents like or are we doing like after on YouTube what?

So, if you go to her page, there's a tab where there's like her regular videos. Then if you click the lives, this is just the lives, which I assume are probably it's probably streamed live and then you could probably watch it after is my guess.

Um 500,000. Here's the last four videos. 1.7 million on one that dropped 19 hours ago. 4 million views on the one before that. 2.9 million views on the one before that and 2.8 million views on the one from a week ago.

A lot of cooked brains there. Got it. A lot of cooked brains. Thanks, Candace. Where was Candace on the day that Charlie Kirk was assassinated? Has she has she provided any evidence for her alibi? And if she was doing her show, do we know that was really Candace doing the show?

Was she on the Egyptian plane? How does she know about Because I've heard I've heard from really good sources that people don't know.

Yeah. Uh, so I I think I've told you how Candace blamed like a half a dozen different people. Um, let's watch the first episode of Candace's own show. So, that was Pierce Morgan's show. This is Candace's own show. Um, just after she had the meeting with Erica Kirk to see if it gives us a sense of like whether she's getting steered in one direction or the other. Let's watch.

Okay, everybody. Shabbat shalom. Just want to say Shabbat shalom to everybody back at home. Happy Hanukkah to our greatest friends and allies. And, you know, this is a good time to mention that Israel does have a right to defend itself. Tucker Carlson is Adolf Hitler and Tik Tok does need to be purchased by the MSAD. It's just how I'm feeling today. I am not different. Maybe you are different. Welcome back to Candace.

Candace, what are we doing here? Wow. What are we doing here, dude? Oh, that's really subtle, right? It's like it's like a true crime podcast merged with a dramatic reading of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion,

right? Like what was that? I like I literally couldn't believe I I literally like went to click to watch to sort of like see if she was recapping the Erica Kirk meeting.

You're like, I don't even know. I don't even know what the like I I know it's not subtle and it's just just sort of anti-semitic garbage, but it was just like Tik Tok per what there's so many inside things there that I don't even know.

Endless string. It's endless red string. And so remember like so Candace worked at Turning Point USA for Charlie Kirk. Then she left and went to Prageru I think for a bit. Then she went to the Daily Wire and I think got pushed out in 2024 because she was accused of

everything we've seen. Not not not dispelling that one there, Candace. I mean like that is like the thrust of her conspiracies like that the French have been involved and others but like they mostly come back to Jews in Israel being blamed for like everything.

Well, I'm glad everyone's watching that. Yeah, I'm glad uh she's pickling the brains of all of our children and like most right-wing content creators are scared to push back because she's got like she's like Mike Tyson, you know, she's got like the biggest megaphone and she will punch you until you are bleeding on the ground and near death.

Do we have an update on the lawsuit at all? I'm glad you asked. So, um with the Macrons.

So, Candace is getting sued by Emanuel Macron uh the president of France and his wife Breijit Mccron for defamation. So the Candace has done like dozens maybe hundreds of hours of episodes alleging that Breijit Mccron the first lady of France is in fact a man. Uh Pierce Morgan asked her about this because this lawsuit is coming. Yeah. So let's see if the lawsuit has like slowed her down a bit.

The reason I told the Alex Jones story is he did he did incredibly well out of Sandy Hook

with his investigations but as was established in the court case against him brought by the families eventually. And I think we're going to see the same thing with Bridget Macron and you is that he was weaponizing deliberate lies for money. And I think you

Mcronone has a penis. I I really want you Macron does not have a penis. Breit Mcronone has a I'm sorry. Okay. Did she get it removed?

She had three children. Yeah. You you you you can have adoptive children. You can call somebody. But Breijgit Mcronone was was born a dude named John Michelle Tro. No. And I just feel I want you to know that. I want you to know that Breijit Mcronone probably stands peeing up. Probably pee standing up. The beauty is the beauty is we have a big bet. We have a big bet and we're going to find out because she's going to court.

She seems chasened, huh? You think that um You think any evidence is going to change her mind? You think when they go to court, she's going to What do you think is going to happen when she loses? You think she's going to say that the jury was actually mis jury, the judge was ms, right? and that the real penis is being hidden somewhere else her penis to court

the friends we met along the way. So for the record uh Candace is claiming that Breijgit Mccron is actually her brother

but her brother is still alive. He lives in France. He has been repeatedly photographed at events with his sister including Emanuel Macron's two inaugurations. This is like a this is like a theory they got cooked up by some crazy right-wing influencer type. I think like a essential oil salesperson in France that she just like glombmed on to and it's given her huge view numbers. It's like good for Pierce Morgan for calling out there. Like it is entirely financial.

Obviously the brother is a crisis actor. Yes, that's right. I'm not. Does he have a penis?

Msad trained Jean Dori. I like it's not this is kind of it's fun to watch these people like unravel.

Like I guess I guess it is bad net, right? It's horrible. I I'm hoping that some people who watch this I'm hoping actually a good portion of people who watch this are like this woman's crazy but it's kind of funny so maybe I'm tuning in like I hope I

I don't have a lot of hope for that but that would be the only that would be to me the only okay outcome of that many people tuning into this because if you think that Bridget Mcron has a penis and that the MSAD killed Charlie Kirk I don't know what to tell you.

This is I think an important point because there is like an entertainment value to all this stuff. there is just like a true crime podcast like element to what she's doing. But I do think that just asking questions works. You know what I mean? Like it gets in your head. You're like, well, did Tyler Robinson do it? Like is like never in a million years would I have thought is Breijgitron a man? But now there's a lot of people who are like, well, there's got to why would she be saying this if it wasn't true?

Well, and the work you have to do to to check it and go with what your instincts tell you, which is of course Tyler Robinson killed him. meaning like then you have to go back look for a story look at the latest updates and you're like have I been following it? No, I haven't been following the case and then so it's just easier to to either believe her or at least have that plant have that seed of doubt planted in your mind.

Yeah. I mean like I have a ton of sympathy for like Erica Kirk here, all the TPUSA staffers who have like they're just like compounding the horror they all live through. I have a lot of sympathy for uh Emanuel Macron and Breijgron. I think it's weird. It's weird to have a French president suing an American podcaster. Like I don't like that. The whole thing just like feels icky. I wish she would just shut the up and like move on. But um like I think she's doing real harm. Like she's like pickling brains.

It's it's bad. If uh I I interviewed the guy who wrote the book about um Seth Rich, the DNC staffer was killed, but then the the the conspiracy was that like maybe the DNC killed. Yes.

And when you like what those families go through when you lose someone like that, I mean it's horrendous. it stays with you forever. But like to compound that with conspiracies that you are faced with all the time is just evil.

Yeah. The one person I have no sympathy for is Cash Patel because he on his show laid the groundwork for us, right? like he was the guy who was like that the FBI covered up the Epstein files and this and that and now he's in a position of real responsibility along with his buddy Dan Bonino who is quiet quitting because he's tired of saying facts and he wants to go back to spewing and lies on his podcast to make money.

I do like that Cash Patel and his girlfriend did find time to sit down with Katie Miller after the Brown shooting

the most before before Sydney but after Brown. I think it was before Brown. I think it was I think it was taped before Brown but released after

after. Oh, okay. One of the things that happened was before. No matter what, he should have better things to do. I don't know if you watched it. It was the most boring 45 minutes of content I've ever seen, but also like Katie Miller's questions are like incipid and stupid, but also kind of like created problems for him. So, it was lots of questions about security and safety and his girlfriend and like giving Alexis his girlfriend a security detail.

Does that also have 1.4 million views? That I don't think is doing so good. I looked at the numbers on her show. It was like 10,000. There's like the the CEO of I think United Airlines sat down with her and she had like had like 4,000 views. Like it's not it's not hitting. It's like only the Elon Musk uh interview had like substantial numbers. So

amazing that she's still booking those big guests. Yeah. Well, look, we don't have uh Katie Miller's in with the Trump administration, but we're trying to build our own progressive independent media company. So, please subscribe to PoE America here on YouTube. We're trying to build something to push back on people like Candace who are just filling the YouTube algorithm with garbage and and right-wing lies. And subscribe to us. It really helps. So like it, share it. Thank you.

Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "MAGA Has A Major Candace Owens Problem"?

Jon Favreau (Host), Tommy Vietor (Host), Piers Morgan (Host), Candace Owens (Host).

What is "MAGA Has A Major Candace Owens Problem" about?

Candace Owens has ignited a significant rift within the MAGA movement by promoting conspiracy theories surrounding the death of Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk, including implausible claims about various individuals and groups being implicated. After a lengthy meeting with Kirk's widow, Erica, Owens continues to reject substantial evidence pointing to a specific suspect, drawing intense…

What is mentioned in this Pod Save America episode?

10 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Federal Government of the United States, French government, The Protocols of the Elders of Zion, Seth Rich, PoE America, Dallas Police Department. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "MAGA Has A Major Candace Owens Problem"?

The episode runs 15 min; the transcript is about 3,132 words in 59 timestamped sections.

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