Minnesota Senator Gives Trump and ICE BAD NEWS In New Interview

What this episode is about

Minnesota Senator Klobuchar discusses the ongoing presence of 3,000 ICE agents in the state, highlighting concerns about public safety and community strain, while expressing gratitude for local citizens' resilience. She emphasizes the need for a balanced approach to law enforcement, noting the positive discussions between state officials and the White House amidst the challenges posed by federal immigration operations.

Key takeaways

• In Minnesota, 3,000 ICE agents outnumber 1,100 police officers, turning community safety into a complex chess game.
• 50,000 Minnesotans braved freezing temps to march for justice; six ICE agents couldn't handle a single terrified nurse.
• Vance claims local police won't help federal agents, but integrity shines brighter than political sound bites in Minneapolis.
• Protestors’ resolve against ICE contrasts sharply with apprehensions; Minnesota's story is about courage amid governmental chaos.
• The hollowing out of federal law enforcement reflects deeper issues; even the Constitution needs its defenders in crisis.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Senator Clolobashar (Guest) · 12 min speaking
• John (Guest) · 3 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 3:00: Senator Clolobashar, Alex Jeffrey Prey, Minnesota, Damon John
2. 3:00 – 6:00: Minnesota, Tom Hman, Melissa Hortman
3. 6:00 – 9:00: Minnesota, Senator Clolobashar, Damon John, Chrissy Gnome
4. 9:00 – 12:00: Chrissy Gnome, Donald Trump
5. 12:00 – 15:00: Minnesota, Alex Jeffrey Prey, Damon John, Chrissy Gnome

Notable quotes from "Minnesota Senator Gives Trump and ICE BAD NEWS In New Interview"

• Well, Minnesota has been the center of America's heartbreak for the last month once again. but we've also been the center of America's courage and hope. And the first thing I feel is.

  about Senator Clolobashar · at 0:16

• Continued before Alex Prey was killed. I said it could be a gun. It could be a car. You just can't have 3,000 ICE agents when there's only 1100 police officers, sworn police…

  about Damon John · at 1:30

• Safe calling 911 because Mayor Fry has told his police officers not to help them. This is like been a line from JD Vance when he came to Minneapolis. He said something similar…

  about J.D. Vance · at 2:44

• Used to coordinate with the feds and in Minnesota with the enunciation church shootings, with the assassination of Melissa Hortman and her husband.

  about Melissa Hortman · at 4:06

• Who have started to stand up in the last few weeks because it is also going on there. You can't have 3,000 ICE agents in one state where there it's bigger than the 10 metro police forces without violating people's rights all over the place.

  about Minnesota · at 7:00

• Yeah. And what do you think about what happens with Christine Gnome? Trump so says yesterday it's like she's not going anywhere. He supports her. obviously an impeachment effort in the House isn't going to get anywhere because.

  about Donald Trump · at 11:31

• But I still think it's a worthy effort by Hakee Jeff and House Democrats, but I think that there may be so much pressure that she will have to step down or they'll decide to have her step down no matter what he says.

  about Chrissy Gnome · at 12:39

• Very trusted, and they are doing their own investigation along with the county attorney and attorney general Keith Ellison, who's been such a hero here. so, they're doing their…

  about Mandy & Ralph Ellison · at 14:19

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Senator Clolobashar — Person · Main guest · 3 mentions · first at 0:00
  Interviewee describing federal immigration enforcement activity in Minnesota, criticizing DHS/ICE practices, and discussing oversight, investigations, and legislative leverage over DHS funding.
• Alex Jeffrey Prey — Person · Victim referenced / focal incident · 3 mentions · first at 0:59
  Central case used to argue that federal enforcement presence and tactics are dangerous; discussed in context of evidence preservation, investigations, and public rhetoric from national figures.
  The good news, they brought border control out, and as border control were the ones involved in the killing of Alex Prey. And of course, Bombino gone who was a complete negative force during this entire invasion. and so then that.
• Damon John — Person · Host / interviewer · 4 mentions · first at 0:02
  Leads the interview, asks about ICE activity, JD Vance claims, DHS funding strategy, and investigative accountability after Alex Prey’s killing.
• Donald Trump — Person · Referenced political figure / administration leader · 3 mentions · first at 6:15
  Referenced as the president whose appointee judge orders evidence preservation; also tied to personnel decisions (supporting 'Gnome') and rhetoric around the Alex Prey case.
• Chrissy Gnome — Person · Referenced official / target of criticism · 3 mentions · first at 8:20
  Presented as a key DHS leadership figure the guest wants removed; used to frame proposed DHS/ICE reforms and intra-party pressure for resignation.
• Tom Hman — Person · Referenced federal official / meeting participant · 2 mentions · first at 1:21
  Mentioned as the federal figure who met with the governor and mayor and whose visit was coordinated via White House communications; part of the administration response to Minnesota events.
  Leaves you with 3,000 ICE agents. And I know the governor and the mayor had meetings with Homeman that they both described as positive. I have continued to talk to the White…
• J.D. Vance — Person · Referenced politician / source of claim · 1 mention · first at 2:39
  Introduced as amplifying a narrative that federal law enforcement can’t safely call 911 due to local non-cooperation; the guest responds by defending local policing practices.
• Mandy & Ralph Ellison — Person · Referenced state official / investigator · 1 mention · first at 14:23
  Cited as Minnesota’s attorney general participating in parallel investigations; framed positively as a trusted leader in accountability efforts.
• Melissa Hortman — Person · Referenced victim in prior incident · 1 mention · first at 4:10
  Mentioned in an example of past coordination between local prosecutors and federal authorities, contrasted with current alleged dysfunction and resignations.

Companies & orgs

• International Police Chief Association — Company · Referenced organization · 1 mention · first at 6:32
  Mentioned as an organization advocating for standard police conduct during the events in Minnesota.
  For weeks. we've had police chiefs, not just Brian O'Hara, suburban police chiefs. We have the International Police Chief Association nationally now putting out a letter saying…

Places & events

• Minnesota — Place · Setting · 10 mentions · first at 0:15
  The primary location discussed in the episode, focusing on law enforcement activities and protests.
• Minneapolis St. Paul — Place · Setting · 1 mention · first at 1:42
  Specific urban area within Minnesota discussed in the context of law enforcement and protests.
  All of that has stopped because they are trying to protect the community in large part from ICE and trying to stop any kind of interactions that would result in death or injury. And I just keep.

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Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 Senator Clolobashar, thanks for joining. Thanks, John. It's great to be on again. I wish it was under better circumstances.

0:06 Same here. Same here. Um, how you feeling today about where we are in terms of the administration actually drawing down their operation in Minnesota?

0:16 Well, Minnesota has been the center of America's heartbreak uh for the last month once again. Uh, but we've also been the center of America's courage and hope. And the first thing I feel is gratitude for the people in my state who stood up and are still standing up. The reason they're still standing up is that, as you know, ICE is still there, 3,000 agents. There's still activity going on, including in small towns and rural counties. I got a Republican mayor uh texted me today, a county attorney. So, things are still happening and they have not brought them out of our state.

0:53 They have, however, and now I'll get to the good news, uh, they brought border control out, and as you know, border control were the ones involved in the killing of Alex Prey. And of course, Bombino gone um who was a complete negative force um during this entire entire invasion. Um, and so then that leaves you with 3,000 ICE agents. And I know the governor and the mayor had meetings with Homeman uh that they both described as positive. I have continued to talk to the White House last week. I told them that someone would die if this continued before Alex uh Prey was killed. I said it could be a gun. It could be a car. You just can't have 3,000 ICE agents when there's only 1100 police officers, sworn police officers in Minneapolis St. Paul. as you have rightfully uh described, John, uh people call 911 because ICE agents are surrounding their home because a Door Dash driver runs in and this mom with a

1:54 three-year-old doesn't know what to do and the police are trying to help her instead of maybe investigating a burglary or uh working on protecting the community or just out in the community. All of that has stopped because they are trying to protect the community in large part from ICE and trying to stop uh any kind of interactions that would result in death or injury. And I just keep going to the fact that 50,000 motans I was there peacefully marched 50,000 in minus 10 below weather and the next day six ICE agents can't handle a guy who's a nurse at the ICU at the VA with a cell phone. That is exactly what happened within 24 hours.

2:36 I mean, you mentioned the 911 thing. You know, JD Vance popped up on Twitter this morning to say that federal law enforcement in Minnesota doesn't feel safe calling 911 because Mayor Fry has told his police officers not to help them. This is like been a line from JD Vance when he came to Minneapolis. He said something similar that like there there's this standown order that like law local law enforcement is not allowed to help protect federal agents. What do you make of that? What's your what's your response to that?

3:04 I think everyone has gotten to know our police chief in Minneapolis, Brian O'Hara, a man of great integrity, respected by other chiefs throughout our state. And they're simply doing their jobs. In the past, they have said, "We will work with you on apprehending these violent offenders." And they have done that and will continue to do that. Um, as the governor has pointed out, we have a system in place uh where with violent offenders who are on detainer. I'm not going to go into all the legal stuff that they can be uh turned over, but instead when they are taking Mung elders out of their home uh because they got the wrong guy and the guy they're trying to get is in jail at that moment and take him out in the middle of a snow with his Crocs and underwear on and basically drag him into a car for hour and then say sorry we and ram ram through his door. I I just I cannot explain to you how this is not up to

4:01 standard law enforcement. I was the county attorney and the DA. I know we used to coordinate with the feds and in Minnesota with the enunciation church shootings, with the um the assassination of Melissa Hortman and her husband. There was coordination across the board, local prosecutors, feds. Uh but now they've hollowed out the US attorney's office because the prosecutors who were extraordinary resigned. um reportedly because they were asked to investigate Becca Good instead of the ICE agent involved in the shooting. Um they have um the FBI agent who was investigating this. This might might have gotten lost this weekend who had initially investigated the Becca Good shooting, the um the Renee Good shooting, resigned because of having that her work cut off.

4:53 And so they have basically decimated the federal law enforcement effort in Minnesota and then have refused to let the professionals at the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension get in there. So I just we have to overhaul this agency. It is against the everyone's rights. I tell my Republican colleagues, you care about the Constitution, well then you care about the First Amendment right to assembly. You care about the Second Amendment right to bear arms. Uh you care about the Fourth Amendment right to protect from search and seizure. and you should care about the fifth amendment right to due process. And I do think you're starting to hear people speak out at a very critical moment.

5:29 Have you um you mentioned talking to White House officials before Alex Py was killed. Have you talked Have you spoken to either Tom Hman or anyone in the administration since um and and what have those conversations been like?

5:41 I have. I have spoken to people at the White House and to Susie Wilds um by text back and forth. And again, she informed me before it was public that Hman was coming in, she informed me of the purpose of that. Um, and I have the minute after the um killing occurred, I was desperately trying to help the mayor to get ICE um the border control agents and ICE to leave the area because they were worried about what was going to happen safety-wise for everyone there. And they were also trying to, of course, preserve the evidence. We've had to have a federal judge appointed by Donald Trump get involved and say you have to preserve that evidence. So, I've been back and forth with them with our business community. Our business community has been involved in calling for weeks. Uh we've had police chiefs, not just Brian O'Hara, suburban police chiefs. We have the International Police Chief Association nationally now putting

6:36 out a letter saying you've got to follow standard. We believe in standard conduct for police officers. So I the the human cry while we all focus rightfully on the 50,000 protesters and these extraordinary motans getting food for their neighbors and taking kids to school. It's also a lot of these people in suburban and rural areas of our state who have started to stand up in the last few weeks because it is also going on there. You can't have 3,000 ICE agents in one state where there it's bigger than the 10 metro police forces uh without violating people's rights all over the place.

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8:02 So, you mentioned your Republican colleagues in the Senate. I know you said you won't vote for the current uh Department of Homeland Security funding bill. What specific changes to the bill and sort of administration policy around this in general? Um, are you looking for what would get your vote?

8:17 So, I think one thing we've got to make sure we mention right away though is Christy Gnome has to be out of there, right? She's got and we have now two Republican colleagues, Marowski and Tillis saying she needs to leave. Uh that would be a significant change in leadership. I start with change in leadership. I think that matters. Secondly, the funding is way too much. $75 billion this summer. People didn't realize at the time. Of course, I didn't vote for it. My Democratic colleagues didn't. That is they're now bigger than the FBI. Third, stop these roving gangs of thugs and what has been happening in Minnesota and on other parts of our country. Next, use police standards of conduct and that includes training. They went down to 47 days cuz he was the 47th president. They should have months and months if not more of training. Um, make sure that they have judicial warrants.

9:09 They can't just ram through people's doors. the bounty system. They literally are getting paid extra money. And we believe that's one of the reasons they see a white guy and a Latino and they say to the Latino, "Get in the car." And the Latino says, "Hey, I'm legal. I was born here." And they just put him in the car, take him away. Often times they dump him off a few blocks later or maybe they take him to detention, release them. Then we believe that's in part because of this bounty system. And so, uh, body cameras, mandatory, not just, hey, we have them, mandatory body cameras, masks off. Uh, there are, that's just the beginning of the things that need to be done to overhaul this agency. I saw reporting in Punch Bowlull this morning that uh Senator Thun and other Republicans are saying, you know, while they are open to some of these reforms, they want to pass the funding bill and then and then they think that

9:59 they could do a separate bill, which is a standalone bill for DHS reforms and that they and that White House officials think that they could help get a bill like that through the House if it's just a standalone bill. Is that something that you would be open to or are you concerned that uh they may they may not follow up on that?

10:15 Right. Why don't we have the hey yeah go vote for that and then we'll see we'll try to get that done. I think there's could we say the word distrust is an understatement of what the president says or what uh the Republicans in Congress say. So if we were to do separate bills like that and again I think the funding is just way too high on its own but I'm I'm going to just talk about the overhaul. Um if that was to happen it would have to pass first right? It would have to pass first this overhaul. Um, and so I actually said that to a group of them on the floor last night. Um, and I think or you could just include it in there. But one of the things we're suggesting, um, is that if you're going to do this, separate out this homeland security ICE funding and then fund uh, the rest of the government and those are bipartisan bills. Um, and then you have a focus of a debate and of reforms and of an overhaul. And you know

11:07 what I'd love to see is a reduction in funding. But I am um, been kind of shocked uh with this administration at how long they've gone and not realized how dangerous and bad this is. So, I'm not surprised that suddenly we are seeing some change of not just tone um but change of personnel and I hope more that we're going to see more but then we've got to see the overhaul.

11:31 Yeah. And what do you think about what happens with Christine Gnome? Trump so says yesterday it's like she's not going anywhere. He supports her. Um, obviously an impeachment effort in the House isn't going to get anywhere because Republicans control the House. There's Steven Miller who's basically Christine Nol's boss. Um, who isn't going anywhere. So, you know, it's

11:52 Yeah, he got triggered. And when I called him a lieutenant of the president, I kind of did that. I said right after the a horrific shooting, um, I sent something out and said to President Trump and his lieutenants, watch this horrific video now. And then he wrote back uh he wrote back uh calling Alex um a domestic terrorist. And when I talked to Alex's parents, um they told me that those words were just unbelievable to them uh that they would call their kind-hearted son those kinds of names. So um I just I I I can't I can't tell you what they're going to do when it comes to personnel in the White House. That's a that's a nice Minnesota understatement. Um, but I do think that there is some growing pressure on Gnome, and you're right about the impeachment, but I still think it's a worthy effort by Hakee Jeff and uh, House Democrats, but I think that there may be so much pressure that she will have to step down

12:48 or they'll decide to have her step down no matter what he says. Yeah. Last question, I'll let you go. You mentioned um, Alex and Alex's family. Um, how do you, as a senator, ensure what can you do to ensure that there is a real independent investigation of Alex's murder? Can can Congress investigate if the federal government does not? What do you think?

13:09 That would most likely have to be after the midterm elections um uh which we can't forget here are looming if people want change and what that matters, why that matters. Uh but for now, the best way to handle this is the courts and the Minnesota federal district judge, as I mentioned, has just a Trump appointee um had to step in to preserve the evidence. There's ongoing hearings on that. another Republicanapp appointed federal judge who actually um uh clerked for uh Scalia has uh come out and said uh that he believes they are violating the rights of motans all the time not obeying court orders and has called and this is something to watch the head of ICE into his courtroom on Friday to answer questions. So why I answer the courts is that they have been very involved in this. Now, Minnesota is doing a parallel investigation, as you probably know, in the Renee Good killing uh because they shut out uh the very

14:11 professional Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension run by someone that Republican legislators have defended even this week, a guy who is very trusted, and they are doing their own investigation along with the county attorney and attorney general Keith Ellison, who's been such a hero here. Um so, they're doing their own investigation of that. And meanwhile, of course, there is a lot of evidence out there on the Alex Prey case, even though uh in that case uh they are still investigating that and there's been a preliminary finding now um this last 24 hours that in fact what we said and what everyone saw with their own eyes that he didn't pull his gun out.

14:49 Uh Senator, thank you so much for joining. I know uh I know you got busy busy time and hopefully we'll be on um on on more circumstances. I do I do thank you and I thank you for covering what the people in Minnesota did. They have called this to an attention in a way that I just I don't think could be possible if they weren't out there um really standing up.

15:08 It's very inspiring. Um thank you. Thank you, Senator. Take care.

Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "Minnesota Senator Gives Trump and ICE BAD NEWS In New Interview"?

Senator Clolobashar (Guest), John (Guest).

What is "Minnesota Senator Gives Trump and ICE BAD NEWS In New Interview" about?

Minnesota Senator Klobuchar discusses the ongoing presence of 3,000 ICE agents in the state, highlighting concerns about public safety and community strain, while expressing gratitude for local citizens' resilience. She emphasizes the need for a balanced approach to law enforcement, noting the positive discussions between state officials and the White House amidst the challenges posed by federal…

What is mentioned in this Pod Save America episode?

13 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Senator Clolobashar, Minnesota, Alex Jeffrey Prey, Damon John, Donald Trump, Chrissy Gnome. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Minnesota Senator Gives Trump and ICE BAD NEWS In New Interview"?

The episode runs 16 min; the transcript is about 2,826 words in 27 timestamped sections.

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