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Magic Johnson: Winning Mindset, Mentorship, and Building Legacy Beyond the Game

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Magic Johnson: Winning Mindset, Mentorship, and Building Legacy Beyond the Game", an episode of Sean Callagy published December 23, 2025 (51 min, about 8,905 words). It mentions 7 people, works and ideas, including Sean Calan Blinded, Dr. Jerry Buss, Pat Riley, Chuck Daly, HIV.

What this episode is about

Magic Johnson's legacy extends far beyond basketball, showcasing his winning mindset, leadership qualities, and commitment to mentorship. He emphasizes the power of faith and positivity in achieving success, inspiring others to elevate their lives and businesses while leaving a lasting impact on communities.

Key takeaways

  • Magic's emotional depth reveals leaders can wield strength and vulnerability in perfect harmony.
  • True greatness isn't in medals won, but in lives transformed—Magic's legacy is an inspiring constellation.
  • Behind every great leader is a strategy: Magic learned from The Godfather that careful choices matter.
  • From hardwood to business, Magic proves success is a mindset, not just a moment of victory.
  • Even legends cry—Magic reminds us that authenticity, not just bravado, fuels real connection.

Who speaks in this episode?

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 5:00: Sean Calan Blinded, Godfather
  2. – 15:00: Pat Riley, Chuck Daly
  3. – 20:00: Pat Riley
  4. – 25:00: Michigan State
  5. – 30:00: Pat Riley, Michigan State
  6. – 35:00: Pat Riley, Chuck Daly
  7. – 40:00: Chuck Daly, HIV
  8. – 45:00: Chuck Daly, Pat Riley

Notable quotes from "Magic Johnson: Winning Mindset, Mentorship, and Building Legacy Beyond the Game"

  • Every level in life, in love of God, in leadership, and all of it. I cannot be more thrilled and honored. This moment on the Sean Calan blinded podcast with Magic Johnson was a remarkable moment.
    about Sean Calan Blinded · at
  • Well, they all going to be shoot them up, bang them up now. So, the number one movie of my life is Godfather. That's probably I've seen a Godfather probably a million times. One, two, three. And I think it's the best.
    about Godfather · at
  • So I asked Dr. bus who was the owner of the Lakers to become my first mentor because I looked up to him and he decided to do that.
    about Dr. Jerry Buss · at
  • Sure, but you learned how to do things. And we're going to talk about Pat Riley in a little bit if that's okay with you. But what is it do you think that people struggle with that? I had this conversation with Mike Tyson the other.
    about Pat Riley · at
  • So, this is great. So, I'm making a decision at Michigan State. We had just beat Larry Bird, that dude I hate in the NCA finals, and that game is still the number one watch college.
    about Michigan State · at
  • People that you can be strong and still with something yet you're dealing with a ailment you can still be successful in life and so you're showing everybody right now you…
    about HIV · at
  • Yeah, it was smooth all the way. He was Chuck Daly was a straight shooter, so you respected that, right? And so he would come in and say, Magic, you're not going to start tonight. John Stockton, we gota get him some starts.
    about Chuck Daly · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • Dr. Jerry Buss — Person · Referenced mentor · 2 mentions
    Presented as Magic Johnson’s first business mentor who opened the Lakers' financials to him and modeled trust, integrity, and business learning through close mentorship.
  • Pat Riley — Person · Referenced expert · 10 mentions · first at
    Referenced as a demanding, standards-driven coach who pushed Magic via comparisons to Jordan and Bird and emphasized conditioning, toughness, and team culture.
  • Chuck Daly — Person · Referenced coach/leader · 5 mentions · first at
    Discussed as the Dream Team’s leader who set clear expectations, reduced ego, and created alignment by defining roles, minutes, and team-first norms.

Books & papers

  • Godfather — Book · Primary recommendation · 2 mentions · first at
    Magic Johnson's favorite movie, discussed for its strategic elements and storytelling.

Concepts & topics

  • HIV — Concept · Core topic · 1 mention · first at
    Discussed in the context of Magic Johnson's personal journey and impact on public perception.

Places & events

  • Michigan State — Place · Setting · 2 mentions · first at
    Magic Johnson's alma mater and a significant location in his early career.

Media & podcasts

  • Sean Calan Blinded — Media · Host · 2 mentions · first at
    The podcast where the interview with Magic Johnson takes place, focusing on leadership, success, and personal growth.

Full transcript with timestamps

This man is one of the greatest leaders in our country. No, I didn't shrink. This is Magic Johnson. This is Mr. Magic Johnson. And this man is a champion, a winner at every level in life, in love of God, in leadership, and all of it. I cannot be more thrilled and honored. This moment on the Sean Calan blinded podcast with Magic Johnson was a remarkable moment. You got to watch this entire thing. Any final message, sir?

No. First, God is so good. Thank you for what you're doing for everybody out here to help you grow, to help you understand that you can take your life, your business to a whole another level. Please continue to pray and ask God to help you out. May God bless all of us and continue success and this man is one of the greatest leaders in our country. God bless everybody.

Thank you, Mr. M. And beat Larry Bird two out of three. That's right. Beat Larry Bird two out of three. That's right, Larry. Straight the camera. That's right, B man.

If you want to be successful, then you got to think that you can be successful and that you can do it. Well, let me tell you this story that very few people even know. So, I'm probably saying this for the first time. So, this is great. So, here we are with another spectacular guest on the Sean Caligan Unblinded podcast where we on the Unblinded podcast are helping people see what they don't see about how to grow their financial abundance, time, freedom, magic, and impact in a space of integrity, growth, and possibility. And uh let's introduce our guest, Tink.

Today on the Shaun Calgian Blinded podcast, we welcome a living legend, a visionary, an artist, a master whose life is a symphony of triumph and transformation. He is a sunrise that broke through the fog of limitation, illuminating courts and communities with a brilliance that could not be contained. Where others saw boundaries, he saw blank canvases, turning hard wood into a stage where hope soared and every pass became a brushstroke of possibility. His journey is the epic tale of a young dreamer from Lancing, Michigan, who rewrote the laws of gravity, not just with his leap, but with his spirit, lifting teams, cities, and hearts to heights once thought unreachable. In the crucible of adversity, he became the alchemist, transmuting challenge into gold, setbacks into comebacks, and silence into the roar of millions. Off the court, he is the architect of new worlds. Building bridges where walls

once stood. Planting seeds of opportunity in fields where others saw only stone. His legacy is not just measured in banners or metals, but in the constellation of lives he's touched. Each one a star shining brighter because of his light. Today we honor not just the legend, but the force of nature who reminds us that true greatness is not what we achieve, but what we awaken in others. Let's welcome to the Sean Calan Blinded podcast, Magic Johnson.

Thank you, sir. Thank you so much for being here. So, and thank you for that intro. Wow.

Mike Tyson and Magic Johnson say wow their intros backtoback wows with two for two.

No, thank you for that. And and we mean every word though and that wasn't just created through AI. That was created with intentionality and heart for the honor and privilege of having you here today.

Thank you. Um you stand for so many things uh such a unique champion, legend, master, person of impact. What would you say is something though just for a little fun energy to start with that a lot of people don't hear from you that you wish the world knew more about about you?

Um I would probably say I'm emotional, you know, and you cry at movies and things that really touch my heart. People don't really don't know that about me. um you know and so I would say that's probably the main thing is that uh I'm still an emotional guy.

Um even though I'm tough and I'm strong and those things that my dad passed on to me but uh probably uh one of the most emotional guys that you'll run into.

Wow. And what are some of your favorite movies? Well, they all going to be shoot them up, bang them up now. So, the number one movie of my life is Godfather. That's probably I've seen a Godfather probably a million times. One, two, three. And I think it's the best in terms of well written, the actors, director. I mean, and and when you think about The Godfather, it just was just an amazing movie. And even if you watch it for me a million times, it's still great. is still fantastic. It's still amazing. So, that's my number one movie of all time.

Wow. And what what do you take away from The Godfather? I think people could take away more from The Godfather.

I think the strategy. I like the strategy. Like, you know, from the dad, pass it on to Michael. I mean it and it was never about I just want to kill somebody, you know, or I want to, you know, uh control gambling or this or that. It was always a strategy to it.

And um and I love when he said no, too. It was strategy for him saying yes, and it was strategy for him saying no. And then he and then he told you the reason why he said no. And I think that's powerful.

Yeah. Well, thank you. Uh and how how should I refer to you? I I feel like pull towards Mr. Johnson. I know that well was would you prefer Mr. Johnson magic? How do you how shall I refer to you?

Whatever comes out your mouth. I I like because uh I'm fine with magic is fine.

Okay. Thank you. Thank you. I I always want to be uh differential to your Thank you. Magic. Um, why have you been so successful off the court? So many incredible athletes, people of impact because what this show is all about is how people can increase with integrity their financial abundance, their time freedom, their their building of impact. You've done all those things so incredibly both on the court and off the court.

And so many times players um don't have that translation from on the court leadership and success off the court. And so many people say that you're every bit as successful off the court and you're impacting your business career as you were as an incredible legendary basketball player. Why do you think that is?

Well, because I understood what I knew and what I didn't know, right? And so I I know the pick and roll. I know the no look pass. I know the hook shot. I know defense, offense, pick and roll. But what I didn't know was business. So what I decided to do was to make sure I got mentors

to help me to learn business also help me to understand how they became successful. U I love meeting with people and understanding their journey. I'm attracted to knowledge. So I've always have been a guy who love to learn and and uh love to improve and get better. So uh I asked Dr. bus who was the owner of the Lakers to become my first mentor because

uh I looked up to him and and uh he decided to do that and he really gave me a lot of great information and nuggets to take away and um he opened up the Laker books to me when that was unheard of

and uh showed me all the revenue streams of the Lakers and then he he told me listen it's not going to be easy. You got to put the work in and the time in. I said, "Hey, if that's what it's going to take for me to be successful in business, I'm willing to do just that." And so, I was meeting with him all the time. Lunch, dinner. See, what people don't understand is you got to put that time in. It's not going to come easy to you. So, you have to say to yourself, "Okay, I'm willing to put the time in and willing to go where I have to go." See, that's another thing. a lot of breakfastes, a lot of lunchons, a lot of dinners you don't want to go to. But

be in New Jersey in the winter having this conversation with you, right? So, so I was willing to put in the work and the time because I took that from basketball and um and so once I got to understand how to start a business then um I took off from there and um I think I'm successful because of the fact that uh I'm I've been a winner my whole life. I don't know nothing but winning. And so that helped me to understand that I would do whatever it takes for me to win in business. And then I said, what's missing in urban America?

Let me start where I grew up, right? And so I started there and I knew that there were we were short on housing. We were short on retail. We were short on in terms of places that people can go to uh have a meal or to go to the movies. So I just started in those areas where there were heavy demand

but nobody was meeting the demand. And so that's why I jumped into urban America.

Yeah, that's uh powerful and inspiring for sure. And uh we have the blessing and privilege of interviewing I do come up shortly Mr. Bus's daughter uh Jenny Bus and we're out in LA in a week. So uh we'll be

I love Jeie. That's my We grew up together basically. Wow. And she'll probably tell you that too.

Yeah. We'll we'll look forward to it. Yes. and and I did I did a lot of homework coming in. So I did hear that Mr. Bus was a mentor of yours and if you were to share with people in the audience because what the show is so much about is what you've just perfectly captured

is the fact that we don't know how to do things right. You you weren't born knowing how to do a no look pass. You're born you were genetically gifted for sure,

but you learned how to do things. And we're going to talk about Pat Riley in a little bit if that's okay with you. But what is it do you think that people struggle with that? I had this conversation with Mike Tyson the other day and he and Customado.

How did you find your way to trusting uh Mr. Bus's advice and guidance? I he's your employer, right? And

how how did that work and what were the friction points around that with him and you know maybe even bridging it to Pat Riley um you know please about people struggle to listen to there's Daniel Mr. Miyagi and the Karate Kid, right? He's fearful that Mr. Miyagi is using him and harming him. How did all that work out for you? Yeah, that's a great question. Probably a question I've never really uh received or gotten from anybody else. Number one, you first got to understand that you belong in the room,

right? A lot of times what happens is we're already defeated before we even get in the room because we, oh my god, do I really belong there? Do do I have what it takes to become a business person? Right? And I think that's number one. Number two, uh the trust issue. The trust will come as you meet with people. As I met with Dr. Bus, he was sincere. I saw that, right? He really wanted to help me. So once you see that a person is sincere and they really open up to you and say, "Hey, I really want to help you reach your goals and dreams." Right?

Uh then that's where the trust you you say you take that deep breath and say okay now I can open up to that person

and and sure enough there will be test along the way right to make sure that person really uh believes in you and really want to help you. And every test he was testing me, I was testing him. And then all of a sudden, we let those guards down. And then we just really became first great friends.

Uh, forget owner and player. So, we were that first, but then we became friends off the court and then mentor and student after that. So there were steps to that relationship that we took and uh listen I trust very few people right

but you know those who are in my circle that I do trust uh it's a reason why I trust them right and and and vice versa there's a reason why they trust me but you said something that started to show off integrity right you you talked about that uh being a big part of your show.

Yes, sir. Well, that's a big part of trust, right? It's a big part of us um understanding that once a person have that and you see that in that person, right? And then you build your brand that way.

See, I've always built my company, my brand with with that. We gonna lead with that. We gonna lead with hey, we believe in excellence, best-in-class. We're gonna lead with I'm a man of my word. So I told you I was showing up here. I'm here,

right? That's that's that's who I am. And you were here early. That's right. I'm a disciplined man.

I get up every morning at 4:00 without a clock. Right. And I go to the gym and then I'm in the office all day. So that's who I am. And so that's who I am as a ball player, but also that's who I am as a CEO and a businessman. So, and when I shake your hand, I'mma tell you what I can do. Also, I'mma tell you what I can't do, right? And I think that goes a long way as well. Uh so my whether it's clients, customers, or my partners, they trust me because the fact that I'mma shake their hand and say, "I'mma do these 10 things, but really I'm going to do 15

because I believe in one word, overd deliver." That's awesome. So I want to overd deliver.

I I think you've done a pretty spectacular job of that your whole life very clearly. Thank you certainly magic for that.

So where did that come from? Uh you know we're going to you know keep this super tight on appropriate timing. got a few topics, you know, to go with still, but the

the power of this I win and I'm going to win like and I know your dad is a mentor, you know, for sure. I saw that.

Uh Pat Riley, Chuck Daly, they'll talk a little about the Olympics and the complexity of that in a few.

But where did that like I I win. I'm about excellence. I'm about discipline. Like where did that come from and please?

Yeah, I think first it had to come from my father passed on. Then then from there it went from my coaches that I played for, right? Whether it's junior high, high school, coach Fox, Coach Tod in college, and then Pat Riley. Um, and so my father always said, "You got to do everything the right way." And he didn't let me uh slide on that. You know, I remember a story that really changed my life forever. M.

So my father had two or three jobs because he had 10 kids to support. So we had a trash hauling service. We would go pick up people's trash before. Now they got all the companies that do that for you at your home. So it was snow. I mean Michigan we get a lot of snow and it's cold. So my job was to get all the loose trash around the barrels and then put it in uh put it on the truck. So this day was so cold I did a half job, right? And I didn't chop the ice up and get the trash out of the ice and put on the truck. So I ran to the cabin. I jump in.

Oh man, it's warm. By the time I got comfortable, my father opened that door, picked me up with one hand, took me back to to the ice and said, "Son, if you do this job halfway, you'll do everything in your life halfway. your practice halfway. Everything at school, you know, your homework you're gonna do halfway. And he said, "You got to learn to do everything the right way. So get a shovel, chop that ice up, get that trash out of that ice, and put on the truck." That's when I became a perfectionist like my father.

That means I do everything the right way. And and so uh that's where it came from. And then my coaches pushing me. See, a lot of players don't want to get coached hard today, but I love being coached hard. So, because of that, again, they help me to develop not only on the court, but off the court as well. So, uh uh that's why I'm a worker today. My father, my coaches, uh if you give me assignment, trust me, it's going to get done and in a timely fashion. As we all grew up, remember, we we couldn't we couldn't just uh look at our father like our kids today and say, "Well, why?" We couldn't say why. Somebody tell you to get go get that trash or go take it out.

We had to get up and go take that trash out or something going to happen to us.

That's right. Yes. Now, today, my grandkids always want to leave with Why? I said, "You lucky your my parents weren't alive today to hear you say that, right?" And so, uh,

it even happens to you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, and I had to tell him, I said, "Listen, I'm going to make you a deal." I said, "I'm not going to do something to you."

I get in trouble, right? Child abuse. Child abuse. But no, I just let them know that listen, you want what you want, right? And I don't never question that. And I try to buy you the toy that you want, this that you want, the sneakers that you want, and I don't question that. And I don't want you to question me. So when I asked you to do something, please do it. And see, my parents never said please.

They had a belt waiting. So, can I can I jump into We have uh three three quick clips that I think will be positive uh for today. So, let's hit our first clip.

I think it's 1980 and something happened in 1980. Let's see what happened. Here's the man of the hour, Magic Johnson. Magic, what do you have that makes you perform like this in these championship games?

Well, you know, just I love to win and uh I guess that's the thing. you know, go in Vegas and we can win any game that I play uh despite, you know, Karine went in and we want to say, "Hey, we did it for you, Big Th." cuz you got us here and uh we we don't want to take nothing away from the most valuable player.

You know that guy? I know that guy. Um Pat Riley, Lakers 80, Kareem Standards, please share what's that all about? Well, when you think about that clip, uh, number one, we were in the finals, game five against Philadelphia and my idol, I idolized Dr. J. That's crazy that I idolized a man and now I'm playing against him. Yeah.

In the world championship. Crazy. So, um, Karine sprains his ankle in game five.

That was a big game because the series was tied 2-2. So, we had to win that game, which we did to go back to Philly. So, we're up 3-2, but Kareem has been pronounced that he's not going to play in game six.

So, once they announced that, uh, we got to the airport and I saw all my teammates heads were down. I said, "What's wrong? Then you hear Kareem can't play." I said, "So what? We going to win anyway."

And they were like, "Go sit down, rookie. What are you talking about? we can't win and beat Philadelphia without Kareem. I said, "We're gonna win this game without Kareem." And uh so I had to do something because sometimes you got to do something to shake up the the atmosphere or the, you know, make sure that they know that I I was serious about what I said. So, uh I asked the stewardish could I go on the plane first because Kareem sat in one, that's his seat, right? And so I sat in Kareem's seat and as every Laker came by, I said, "Never fear, magic is here."

So, so they start laughing like you just did. Yeah. And I said, "I got five hours to work on that mindset and attitude cuz your audience got to know that they got to have a mindset and an attitude of winning if you're going to be a business person. If you want to start off being an entrepreneur, if you want to be successful, then you got to think that you can be successful and that you can do it. And so I knew that if we went back and we had a mindset of that we're defeated before we even played the game, they were going to blow us out by 50 points. But if we had that mindset of we can win, we can still beat them, that we had a chance to win. And sure enough, I talked to them. By the time we landed in Philly, we played the game the next day. I had their mindset.

They were ready and we end up winning. Now, if I'm going to say all that, I got to bag it up with action.

Yeah. So, I became the first rookie in NBA history to be named Finals MVP. I scored 42 points,

15 rebounds, 15 rebounds, seven assists in that game, and we end up winning. And so I became the first rookie ever to be named NBA finals MVP. So

playing center Abdul Jabbor not being here. Yeah. Well, I play center guard and forward. So

crazy. You know, I I believe that you have to have a winning mindset. But why do you think that you had that belief different from most other players? Like what was it? And we talked a little about your dad and the whole thing, but why was it different for you? Why does it always seem to be different for you where that happened, guys? Ah, we're not going to win. You're like, you're a rookie and like we're going to win.

And why do you think that's different for you even among the most elite, masterful athletes on earth who had to have incredible mindsets, too.

Why as a rookie already were you different? Well, it's all about to me preparation. It was I was always prepared for those moments. I live for those moments and um and if I feel if I'm prepared and if I understand how we're going to win. It's not just we're going to win. You have to have strategy behind that, right? And so, how are you going to do it? So, like I told our teammates, we're going to be faster than them. They're going to be bigger than us, but we got to run them and run them and run them. And that's what we did. And that's that was our advantage. The fact that we were smaller and quicker than them and we used that to our advantage to win the uh the game.

So yeah, it it's something that you can just say, "Oh, we're going to win." No, you got to have strategy behind it. And then the number one thing, you got to execute on the strategy.

See, people got to remember business is about execution, right? And so you got to execute in business. And if you can do that, you give yourself a chance to win.

How how did Dr. Jay relate to you after that? During that, after that, you know, he's this superstar. You're this emerging superstar, but a rookie. How'd that feel for you? How did he react towards you? And, you know, after you guys won.

Well, let me tell you the story that very few people even know. So, I'm probably saying this for the first time. So, this is great. So, I'm making a decision at Michigan State. We had just beat Larry Bird, that dude I hate in the NCA finals, and that game is still the number one watch college basketball game in history. Indiana State versus Michigan State. So, now I'm making a decision to turn pro. So, I needed somebody to talk to. So, I asked my coach, I want to call Dr. Jay. He was like, what? can you give me Dr. Jay's number? I want to call him because I want to ask him what went in for him to make the decision to turn pro and leave college early. So, he ended up finding the number. He called Philadelphia. They gave him uh Dr. Jay's personal number. I called him up and we talked about I said, "I'm trying to make this decision whether to leave Michigan State or turn pro." He said, "I'm going to do you one

better." Guess what he said? I'mma fly you out to Philadelphia. What? We're playing in the uh we're playing in the playoffs. I want you to come stay with me.

What? What? I'm I'm like fainting right now. I'm like going crazy. I'm going to stay AT DR. J HOUSE

DURING THE PLAYOFFS. YEAH, EXACTLY. I ran into I told everybody, "Oh, I'm staying at Dr. J house." You know, and so sure enough, flew to Philly. He put me up at his house. uh

I mean like we were running around talking about you coming here today and so uh uh he he gave me so much information. I watched them play against the Hawks in the playoffs and then I flew home and now six eight months later I'm playing them

in the NBA final. Is that is that a trip or what? I should have told you stay in college. And then I'm beating my idol in the championship. So, uh I I don't know how he felt.

Did you guys ever talk about it? Yes, we did talk about it and it was like a trip for him. I just hosted you at my house.

That's bad matters. I want to win. Yeah. Let me tell you this about me. I don't care who I'm playing. I can be playing my mother. My daughter played point guard for local high school. My wife tells me player oneon-one. You'll help her get better. I said, "No, cuz I know who I am." I said, "No, I don't want to play her oneonone, but when your wife tell you to do something twice, you better get to it, right? You better get to it." So, I said, "Okay, we go to 10." I let her get to nine. That was hard for me. That was real hard. But I let her get to nine. And then I crushed her from then on.

My wife was so mad at me. She like, "You could have let her win." No, I can't let nobody win. It's not who I am. It's not in my DNA. I'm not I'm not made up like that.

Wow. Well, super. And I only feel like contextualizing this in my listening. So, before I went blind, just real quick,

um I was a division one college recruit in baseball and football. I was a four-year division one starter at Columbia University. I was captain my team senior year. So I I have a listening for what you're sharing. I had incredible mentors athletically. So one before business, my background was built on sports. So these stories, these dynamics, these elements. I was a three sport player in high school and I was one top 10 hitters division one in the country my junior year. So it it I receive it and I'm present to it for what you're talking about. The mastery, the competitiveness, um the spirit of it all. And

but but but more than that, you didn't let that hold you back. See, I came because I'm impressed with that.

Thank you. That you you got what I have, right? That gene of we're going to win despite.

Amen. And you're winning right now despite of that. Yeah. You're allowing but you're sharing it. And so that's a that's a powerful tool when you can share that with other people in terms of trying to help them to become successful. So God's really blessing you and you blessing other people. That's what it's about.

Amen. Uh and I feel like you're saying, Mr. Johnson right now. So, amen, Mr. Johnson.

And um and for fun, I believe that influence is the only human attainable superpower. That's what Dr. Bus had, right? That's how he caused yeses, made that's what you do off the court and on the court. He calls yeses in leadership.

So, for fun, um I have a million-dollar bet out that I can't be out influenced on a neutral set of facts that I challenge everybody out there for charity. So, I love competing. So, I amen to that. And I think that so much of business now and so much of sports and so much of all these challenges you have in the world are because people don't do what you did

which is step on that court and say we're going to go win and put yourself out there as that man in the arena. And that's why it's so inspiring to have conversations with just a champion like yourself.

Um so thank you for that. And can we can we step into actually you know what actually if you don't mind

Pat Riley. So I I I did a lot of research five championships together. um you know he's somebody who speaks a lot about mindset uh had a lot of conversations same type of question how how is that evolution the doubts the challenge the trust build you know his his methodologies were unique I've heard there was moments of you know maybe not seeing things fully eye to eye and but you know what what do you feel sharing please about Pat Riley and

coaching mentorship and leadership from that perspective well he coached me hard and Um, you know, when you're going after the same goal and you have the same mindset, uh, you going to bump heads. That's just the natural, but but in a good way. Uh, I understood who was the leader, right? And I understood my role. Um, but I loved Pat and still do. Pat's one of my best friends today. Awesome. But when he coached, he made it difficult because he he stayed on top of you to be great. He knew that he had to push me every single day. And what he did was heo he held me to the standards of two guys, right?

Michael Jordan and Larry Bird. Wow. And so he said, "Listen, I'm never going to let you uh take a day off or take a game off. I'mma always stay on top of you because I'm holding you to those two standard right there. And that was the measuring stick for me. Right. And so there was a number that he always had and all three of us played over 700. That was like amazing if you got over 700. And so he made me so mad one day. So So here we are. Uh Chicago and Boston played before the Lakers. So when I got to the arena, their game was over and we're getting ready to get started a couple hours from from now. So Pat's on the board. He's writing up the game plan. And see, he knew what buttons to push with me. So he said, uh, he's talking to an assistant coach named Bill. Bill, did you see what Larry Bird did tonight, man? 45 points, 20 rebounds, nine assists. Oh man, that bird is something. So he knew I was

sitting in my seat. I'm getting mad now. I'm steaming. Okay, so about 20 minutes later, he say, "Bill, for wait a minute, bulletin material. Michael Jordan just scored 55 points." So he knew he knew, oh, I'm mad now. I got to go out there and get a big triple double. We got to win. So he knew sometimes is what he said about those guys that would motivate me, right? And so what made him so great as a coach, he knew every single guy and what button to push with every single guy

to make them go to their highest level. All right. uh and make sure that they understood that if you going to play for the Lakers and we're going to win the championship, you got to be the best sixth man, the seventh man, the fifth man, on and on and on. Best point guard, Kareem, you got to be the best center. James Worthy, you got to be the best small forward. On and on. He just pointed to everybody and everybody got to accept their role. He believed in that, right?

And he believed in family. He preached family and team. Nothing goes outside the family. If we have an argument, it stays within the family. If we have a disagreement, it stays within the family. And so, but his main thing was, we're going to be the best condition team in all the NBA. And guess what? We were.

That's awesome. We're going to be mentally and physically tough. And guess what? We were. That's how we're going to win the championship. And that's why we were in the finals. Guess what? Nine times in 12 years.

Crazy. Crazy. And beat Larry Bird two out of three. That's right. Beat Larry Bird two out of three. That's right, Larry. Straight the camera. That's right, Bird man. That's right. And two out of three in the NBA and NCA Championship, too. So, when you have him on the show, you run this tape back to him, you know, let him see it that the Magic Man had three out of four.

Three out of four, excuse me. Three out of four because of because of the college. That's right. So, um, thank you for that. We had Mike Rouion from 1980 Miracle and Ice Team, you know, player Herb Brooks on a couple months ago, and it's just the patterns. Mike Tyson, Customado, yourself, Pat Riley, you know, um, Mike Rousion, Her Brooks, it's the same things over and over again, that dynamic, it's just so powerful. So, can we show you uh, second quick clip? Okay. Yeah. And this is going to be now Chuck Daly stepping into the Olympics and bringing together the greatest I believe

the greatest sports team ever assembled and and PS I'm very integress basketball is my third favorite sport. You know I played a little basketball growing up and then I transitioned wrestling in high school.

Um but I do believe I was a huge Knicks fan back in the day. Uh Patrick Ewing that this is the greatest sports team ever assembled on the court of of players. I authentically in any sport ever believe that. So please

I was talking to Johnson before the game. There was an intensity in his face that I hadn't seen in some time. They thought they played well against Lithuania for better. Final seconds. How'd that feel for you winning for

your country? That was nothing but God really, you know, for all that I had been through to be able to be on that stage with those other nine guys who that team is the only team that every single guys in the basketball hall of fame. That's that's amazing. No team no other team can claim that. Crazy,

right? And so with me being out of basketball, had been retired, to be able to come back and represent my country, represent, you know, uh, uh, the NBA, United States, and then play with two of my heroes, too. All of those guys are my heroes, but I always on my bucket list, I've always wanted to play with Larry and Michael and get a chance to play with both of those. Oh, guys. Oh my goodness. Um, I just fell to my knees crying saying thank you to God for allowing me to open up that door for me to be able to play in the Olympics and just to make sure that see two things happened.

It wasn't for me it wasn't just about the gold medal. was about also showing people that you can uh be strong and still with something yet you're dealing with a ailment you can still be successful in life and so you're showing everybody right now you didn't you you with being blind you saying hey I can still do great things and you're doing it so right now you're a hero to so many people who watch this show but also so many people who might not watch this show who just meet you and just run into you and you can change their life forever just by meeting you because of your walk in life. So my walk in life on that stage changed a lot of people's lives and said, "Hey, if you're dealing with something, you can still be successful. You can reach the highest of the highest and win a gold medal despite me living with HIV." See? And so that's a beautiful thing.

Yeah. and and I thank you um Mr. Magic Johnson. I was at Columbia University at the time um you know becoming captain or great during that 1992 time frame

and it was a complicated scary time in a lot of different ways for a lot of people

and the resiliency, the power, the vulnerability for dealing with something that had you know the negative stigma that it did. Um, it it was so inspiring and and with great humility, I just throw out a concept. You know, I believe that God makes all things work together for good. I heard you reference God. I wouldn't have said if you didn't.

And I believe that um that that journey that you went through, and I'm sorry for all the pain and challenges that would have surrounded it,

um was an unbelievable blessing for so many humans on this earth for hundreds of different reasons. Uh but really, I thank you. And that was one of the most inspiring moments in United States history and truly I believe world history.

What happened in that team and what was going on personally for you and the complexities of the time and

um thank you. And h how did how did Chuck Daly to just to move back into leadership for a moment

how he put you guys together? I mean every Hall of Famer every person right how does that work? because it's totally different than her Brooks and Mike Rouion because all those guys were were kids and the world changed and now you could have professionals. How did he handle all that? And I've heard you compliment him so beautifully. But what do you think he did so well to make all that work?

Well, I think Chuck, I mean, the architect of this whole dream team and him picking the right players with the right mindset and the right attitude. Uh it was all about the team. He he said day one, this was oh man, awesome. When he walked into the locker room, he said, "All right, you already know you're not gonna get the same shots that you normally get. You're not going to get the same minutes. Most of you play 40 minutes a night. You're not even going to get close to that on this team. Most of you understand that you probably take 30 shots. You can take 20 to 30 shots on your team. You might get 10 shots, right?" So, you have to be okay with that. And then he said, "Michael Jordan's going to be the captain of the dream team." Michael Jordan stood up and said, "No, I don't deserve to be captain of the dream team. Larry and Magic should be captain of the dream team."

Everything changed. Wow. Everybody had to leave their ego at the door at that moment and come to practice to work hard, come to the games to play as a team, and let's blow everybody out. And once Don't forget that.

And that's what we did, right? We put a show on. But let me say this, what happened? We didn't know we had this type of effect. I remember one guy filed Michael Jordan and he started crying in the middle of the game. I can't believe I filed Michael Jordan. Oh my goodness. And Michael's sitting there, we're all sitting there, man. He's really crying. happy that he filed Michael. I mean, but we didn't understand the power, right, of the dream team and and uh that allowed us to really understand what these guys were feeling playing against us and finally meeting us for the first time in their lives. So, we changed basketball forever. That's why there's so many internationals players into the NBA today because of the dream team.

Yeah. And what I'm hear hearing you say received, thank you, is that Chuck Daly created just like really clear agreements with everybody. That's right. Had the right mindset, had the right players on the right seats on the bus and everybody went along with it. Any any friction points, any complicated moments or it all it all sort of was pretty smooth.

Yeah, it was smooth all the way. He he was Chuck Daly was a straight shooter, so you respected that, right? And so he would come in and say, "Magic, you're not going to start tonight." John Stockton, we gota get him some starts. So, he's gonna start tonight. No problem. You know, see, when a coach is straight up with you and and tell you the day before, then you got it.

So, Chuck Daly was always honest, he was the best dress coach cuz he could dress mad. His suits were incredible. Him and Pat Riley were incredible dressers. And uh so um we understood that he had our backs too because leaders, you know, um once their employees or the people who work for them, once those people understand that the CEO or the president got their back, they'll go through a wall for them. And sure enough, we will go through a wall for Coach Daly and I would go through a wall still today for Pat Riley. Wow. because of the fact he always put me in a position to be successful and he never lied to me. He always told me the truth. He was always honest with me whether I played great or I didn't play great. And uh and he was the same guy. See, a leader has to be consistent every single day.

And that's what you are and that's what I am. That's why so many people listen to your podcast and follow you because you're consistent. And also too, the integrity you talk about. Well, you have it. So, that's what what it's all about, right? Just being who you are. And then we both understand our purpose. See, God gave us a purpose. So, you're living out your purpose and I'm living out my purpose.

And that's why I had the toy drive just two days ago. All those inner city kids who wouldn't have a great Christmas, I made sure they had a great Christmas by supplying toys to them. and Thanksgiving, we did the same thing. Making sure they had turkey and chicken and dry goods and on and on and on.

Wow. Because that's my purpose. And so that's what it's all about. I just had a quick thought. I'm not sure if this will be helpful, if it's too late or not, but would an extra Would you know what to do with an extra 10,000 toys?

Oh, I know what to do with them. That's So we're we're gonna provide an extra 10,000 toys. So

Oh my goodness, man. And that's a blessing right there. Yeah. Yeah. Uh I always know what to do with uh toys or

food because there's so many people in need today, you know. And you know what's beautiful is that the fact that you and I are blessed. I mean beyond we probably never thought we'd be in the position that we're in.

My mom pushed a hot dog cart in Jersey City when was a kid and mine worked at the school cafeteria. So we we understand and uh but here we are and they all are proud of us, right? Our families, our parents are proud of what we're doing and what we have become.

Amen. Mhm. Final final couple minutes here is what do you do from here? What happens? You know, you have the blessing of living another hundred years on earth and a miracle happens. You have all that time

between this day and that final day. What more happens for you? And if you think about it, what would you want to be remembered for?

I'm gonna be remembered for really the impact that I made off the court. And you know, the the jobs that I've given people the uh scholarships, we've given over 10,000 minority student scholarships. you know, a lot of them have the grades to go but don't have the financial means to go. Um, the technology centers that we built in the poorest neighborhoods that kids can have access to a computer, you know, I can keep going. Those are the things that I'll be remembered for and I want to be remembered for. It's not everything else. there there's always going to be guys winning championships in basketball or you know guys being MVP but the impact in people's lives to understand that they need help and you're there to help them uh you're there to hug them high-five them you know that's what I want to be reme remember remembered for and uh last but not least that I did everything the right way,

you know, and um that I never cheated somebody. I never, you know, uh kids and people who want my picture or autograph, I try to accommodate them always. And so, uh you know, that's who I am. I'm I'm I'm built like my mother and my father. My mother gave back and she taught us how to give back and to help thy neighbor. And so I got that in me from her and her smile. And then I got my work ethic and my strength and my toughness from my father. And so that's the a beautiful combination. And they both uh uh taught us to love the Lord and to make sure that we give back and help and u and so nothing has changed. So, I'm still that guy and I I'm glad I married somebody who also believes in that too. Cookie believes in that as well. Uh giving back and uh affecting change across this country of ours.

Well, Mr. Magic Johnson, I hope this is not the end of the beginning and in researching, you know, about you, your mission, your purpose education technology you know, I read all about it. We have an AI company. I'm not asking for anything, but I want to give value, give value, give value because you open doors everywhere, and we want to change the world. We want to solve problems that are enormous, have been unsolved.

Uh, so I can't tell you how grateful I am that you blessed us and honored us with your presence,

your mastery, your identity, the power of your identity. I'm not confused. Thank you for bringing that to the Shan Caligan Blonde uh podcast. May God bless you and I hope every single dream you still have which are so many for people and changing lives comes true. Merry Christmas and thank you sir.

Well merry Christmas. Thank you too to everybody out there. Happy holidays and uh listen you you you know it's hard for a successful person to still be willing to say I want to help the world. and for me to come on this show doing my research on you and what the show was all about cuz I don't do a lot of podcasts.

I know I hope they told you that they did. But the only reason I'm doing this one is because our conversation wasn't just about leadership is about the Lord, about God. It's about giving back. And that's that's why I came because the man that you are also you said, you know what? I'm not gonna let this stop me for doing being great. I mean, look, you are amazing and you're doing amazing things. And yes, you had more hits and you're doing great there, but guess what? You said, you know what? I can have more hits with my podcast and my business AI and the things that you're doing. So, so the greatness haven't stopped just because you're dealing with something.

That's what I like about you. So, you and I going to do some things together. And I'm I'm I'm happy. Thank you for the the gift of the 10,000 toys. And I'm going to tell you where and you going to see where all 10,000 went too cuz I'm a man. You just don't give me some. I'mma show you what I did with the 10,000. Okay. And then we going to do other thing. I like the AI thing. We going to do some AI together. All right. God bless you.

I have a long way to go to earn your trust. I'm going to earn it. And I promise you that I'm gonna make sure before I leave this planet, if I do earn it, that I will bring more value to your life than um anything that we have thought about and talked about. I promise.

You got it. Thank you, sir. And my promise is to I receive that. Okay. God bless.

Thank you, Mr. Roger Johnson. What a show. Thank you. Thank you. I think we're going to take a picture. Go and get one straight like this,

Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "Magic Johnson: Winning Mindset, Mentorship, and Building Legacy Beyond the Game"?

Sean Callagy (Host), Magic Johnson (Guest).

What is "Magic Johnson: Winning Mindset, Mentorship, and Building Legacy Beyond the Game" about?

Magic Johnson's legacy extends far beyond basketball, showcasing his winning mindset, leadership qualities, and commitment to mentorship. He emphasizes the power of faith and positivity in achieving success, inspiring others to elevate their lives and businesses while leaving a lasting impact on communities.

What is mentioned in this Sean Callagy episode?

7 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Sean Calan Blinded, Dr. Jerry Buss, Pat Riley, Chuck Daly, HIV, Godfather. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Magic Johnson: Winning Mindset, Mentorship, and Building Legacy Beyond the Game"?

The episode runs 51 min; the transcript is about 8,905 words in 144 timestamped sections.

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