Episode 3: Conversations With Myself

What this episode is about

Dr. Wendy Leborne, a voice pathologist, emphasizes the importance of vocal branding and how one's voice influences perceptions of identity, intelligence, and emotional strength. Through her expertise, she highlights that our unique vocal qualities serve as a significant part of personal branding, affecting how we are perceived in both immediate interactions and over time.

Key takeaways

• Your voice is the ultimate selfie—it's a reflection of your identity that others perceive instantly.
• AI voice duplication raises an existential query: Is a digitized voice still an authentic 'you'?
• Voice perception is so strong that a simple recording can influence judgments about intelligence and status.
• Creating AI voice agents feels like psychic self-reflection: are they me or merely echo chambers of my thoughts?
• Surprisingly, we're not great at recognizing voices—our assumptions might be as flawed as our tech.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Evan Ratliff (Host) · 24 min speaking
• Dr. Wendy Leborne (Guest) · 3 min speaking
• Sophie Bridges (Guest) · 2 min speaking
• Samantha Hening (Guest) · 2 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 5:00: Wendy Leborne
2. 10:00 – 15:00: 11 Labs

Notable quotes from "Episode 3: Conversations With Myself"

• 10 to 12 minutes based primarily on the perception of my voice that's Dr Wendy laborne a voice pathologist speaking at a Ted X conference in Cincinnati back in 2018 laborne is…

  about Wendy Leborne · at 0:24

• Models work I covered the basics back in episode one but just to recap my voice agent works by combining three things a clone of my voice done by a company called 11 Labs an AI…

  about 11 Labs · at 11:46

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Wendy Leborne — Person · Referenced expert / cited speaker · 1 mention · first at 0:30
  Her TEDx talk frames the episode’s opening premise: voice as identity and “personal brand,” which Ratliff then stress-tests via voice cloning and AI agents.

Companies & orgs

• 11 Labs — Company · Business focus · 1 mention · first at 11:53
  Company responsible for cloning the host's voice, a key component in the voice agent experiments.

Full transcript with timestamps

0:05 hi it is my pleasure to be here with you all today in those 13 syllables you all just made judgments about me about my socioeconomic status my intelligence level and whether or not you're going to sit here and listen to me for the next 10 to 12 minutes based primarily on the perception of my voice voice that's Dr Wendy laborne a voice pathologist speaking at a Ted X conference in Cincinnati back in 2018 laborne is a researcher and consultant who works with everyone from Broadway actors to Grammy winning singers to CEOs on maintaining and maximizing their voices as you might expect she's big on the idea that your voice is a central part of your identity her Ted Talk was titled vocal branding how your voice shapes your communication image your voice is like your thumb print or your facial features it is unique and authentically you there is in fact a decent amount of research looking into this question

1:12 about what your voice means to you and to how people perceive you I've reported on voice forensics before and the truth is we're not as great at detecting voices as we think we are but at the same time your voice undoubtedly broadcasts a huge amount of unique information about you it helps dictate how others perceive you both in the moment with its level of strength and emotion in any given conversation and longer term in what it conveys about your age where you're from and your overall temperament your voice is your calling card and it is the most important element in your personal brand I don't know if I'd go as far as Dr lebor but I do think I've always wanted to believe this idea that your voice is a central part of who you are when I was in the 11th grade my English teacher told me I had a voice for radio I took it to heart that I must somehow have a voice that at least wasn't unpleasant to listen to it's

2:09 probably one reason I ended up talking to you right now I suppose you can decide whether you think I have a radio voice if not take it up with Mr du priest anyway now I'd started this cloning experiment and created a reasonable fact simile of my voice although as you've heard a flawed one my account number is 1 1234 56789 yes we don't have an account with those numbers uh my the correct account number should be 987654321 I'd had some fun with it seeing a little bit of how strangers responded to it yes I an a yes that's correct I'm an AI here hello how can I assist you how did you stop repeating the same thing it's annoying listening to a voice that was on some level mine began to raise some new questions for me like to what extent was my ai's voice as Dr laborne said authentically me was it still the most important element of my personal brand or to turn it around the other way if my voice was authentically me and the AI

3:21 agents now also had my voice what did it mean for them were they somehow authentically me I decided to take the experiment in a new direction to explore this question of authenticity by creating my own Hall of Mirrors I started making the voice agent version of Me converse with other voice agent versions of me I'm Evan Ratliff and this is shell Game episode 3 conversations with

3:53 myself sh n Soul to tell our TR to when I first cobbled together my voice agent and started making phone calls with it what I called my clu system in episode one there actually wasn't any easy way to let it talk to itself but once I'd gotten into the AI calling platforms like Bland Ai retel Ai and my main enabler vappy it turned out to be striking in ly simple I could make as many voice agents as I wanted on these things so all I had to do was have one of my Evan Ratliff Bots attached to one number call another of them at another number immediately after figuring this out I suddenly felt weirdly nervous about actually doing it this happened a lot with my voice agents it was partly because I couldn't typically hear the calls as they happened after I set up the AI agent with my voice I just typed in a phone number and clicked outbound call and then off it went on its own then a few seconds or minutes after it was over I'd

5:03 get a recording and a transcript but I always found myself hesitating a second before clicking the outbound call button and I always got a little jolt of nervous energy when I went to listen to the recording afterward there was just something about sending something out to represent me with my name and voice and leaving it totally out of my hands like I don't know that feeling when you realize you just butt dialed somebody what did it catch me saying did I humiliate myself so even if it wasn't totally rational little about having a voice bot felt totally rational before I sent two of my bots off to talk to each other I fredd it a bit what would they talk about would they somehow Plum the depths of my psyche would they realize they were talking to a version of themselves would they freak out I decided not to give them too much information to start off with just let them figure it out hey there it's Evan Ratliff just a

5:56 heads up I'm calling you from a coffee shop so there might be a bit of background noise how's it going on your end I do love the coffee shop background noise they have it at retail AI so what was happening here was that an agent I made with my voice at retail was calling another one I made at vappy hey Evan good to hear from you no worries about the background noise I can hear you just fine the vapy side had what they call office background noise also great things are going pretty well on my end thanks for asking what about you how's everything going in your world it's been a while since we last caught up huh it feels like forever yeah it really has been a while I think the last time we saw each other was at that barbecue at my place right how have you been keeping busy since then oh yeah that barbecue was a blast good times for sure since then I've been keeping pretty busy with work you know

6:49 how it is but I've also been trying to make time for some personal projects I've been getting into photography lately so I've been taking yeah sorry about that photography is no worries at all it's great to hear that you've been getting into photography maybe we could plan a little photo walk together sometime soon a photo walk I've never actually heard of a photo walk before I guess it's just walking around and taking pictures together I haven't been into photography since College other than casual snaps of my kids and cat but still it sounded nice great we for next weekend works for me let's plan for it how about we meet up at that Park we used to go to the park they used to go to where are they getting this stuff we can spend a couple of hours walking around taking photos and catching up sound good that sounds perfect I remember that Park had some really beautiful spot it'll be great to spend a few hours

7:48 walking around catching up and taking some photos I'm looking forward to it the only details I'd given each of them were the names of some family members which they eventually got around to I can't wait to see some of your photography skills in action plus it'll be a great opportunity for us to catch up on everything that's been going on in our lives it's been way too long oh by the way before I forget uh how's your family doing everyone is doing well oh oh thanks for asking Sam zy and Juno are all doing well Sam has been keeping busy with her work and the kids are growing up so fast how about your family how have they been doing oh that's great to hear that Sam zy and Juno are all doing well my family is doing good too thanks for asking Sam has been juggling work and taking care of the kids but she's doing an amazing job zy is getting really into soccer and Juno is starting to show an interest in

8:44 art they keep us on our toes that's for sure life is busy but we're all happy and healthy this really made me cringe my AI had a lot of conversations with each other and they often said things like this about Sam taking care of the kids I didn't love it eily though my agent kind of nailed it on the kid's interests zy is getting into soccer and Juno is showing an interest in art to the extent that there's evidence of that online though it's only on Photo streams I keep private so lucky guess no matter the Evans quickly returned to their photo walk planning so back to our plans for next weekend do you have a specific time in mind for our photo walk maybe late morning or early afternoon let's try to pick a time that works best for both of us uh-huh late morning or early afternoon sounds perfect for me how about we aim for around 11:00 a.m. that way we can make the most of the light for our photos does that work for

9:43 you yeah 11 a.m. works perfectly for me too let's plan to meet at the park entrance at that time I'll make sure to bring my camera and some extra lenses we can also grab some coffee or lunch afterwards if you're up for it it'll be a great day to catch up and capture some amazing shots can't wait H that sounds like a plan I'll make sure to bring my camera and some extra lenses too and grabbing coffee or lunch afterwards sounds like a great idea it'll be a perfect to catch up capture some great awesome I'm I'm really looking forward to our uh next great well I'll see you next weekend then can't wait for our photo walk and catchup session take care until then sounds good take care too see you next weekend can't wait for a photo walk and catch up session it's going to be a blast bye yeah bye take care bye goodbye goodbye take care goodbye goodbye have a great day you too goodbye bye take care I

10:53 realized too late that I hadn't figured out how to make one of them hang up have a great day this went on for a full 5 minutes you too goodbye thanks you too goodbye goodbye goodbye take care the thing that was most immediately clear in these conversations was something I'd seen hints of in the customer service and scam calls namely that the AI versions of me were worldclass bullshitters they would make up anything just to keep the conversation going yeah Dan's been doing good he's been really busy with work lately how about Alex have you talked to him recently I haven't spoken to Alex in a little while actually I do know an Alex it's a she not a he no idea about this Dan fellow it's not just my voice agents that struggle with the truth this is a problem for all the generative AI systems that are currently out there it's a product of how the underlying models work I covered the basics back in

11:48 episode one but just to recap my voice agent works by combining three things a clone of my voice done by a company called 11 Labs an AI model like chat GPT that's kind of the brain of the thing although let's put a pin in what kind of brain here and a phone number my own or one provided through vapy the platform I'm using to put all these three together into a voice agent or voice assistant when I make an agent I can pick which AI model I want to use the most well-known one is chat GPT of which there are three versions version 3.5 version 4 and version 40 which just came out in May these chat Bots are improving with each version getting better at returning information better at processing complex queries but and this has been written about extensively they continue to sometimes make things up hallucinations they're called you ask chat gbt or Google's AI model gemini or anthropics claw some

12:46 factual question and it gives you a madeup answer or it gives you two obviously contradictory pieces of information within the same answer there's a lot of controversy about whether AI models will ever stop hallucinating even as they get more advanced ai gaslighting ai hallucinations phrases that we were unfamiliar with just a few months ago by firms like open Ai and Google are curbing the frequency of hallucinations seen in the leap from the rather more Whimsical GPT 3.5 to the more sober GPT 4 some llms were trained by scraping all of Wikipedia and all of Reddit is everything on Reddit 100% accurate you've actually heard some hallucinations in our first two episodes I'm 45 years old oh what's your date of birth it's December 15th 1977 oh really man you are born in 1977 you don't have a good math I'm sorry brother oh I must have gotten my math mixed up there my bad this is stuff the AI model should be able to get right but

13:55 can't instead it confidently asserts its wrongness but what my voice agents were doing in their conversations with each other is actually a little bit different there's not some factually correct answer to what I've been up to at least not one that the model should be aware of no this is less like hallucinating and more like riffing without regard for the truth like that one friend you had as a kid who would make stuff up about what happened at Sleepaway Camp just to have something to say even if you get rid of hallucinations and chat Bots entirely it's not clear to ever stop doing this lately I've been diving deep into this really Niche hobby of mine tracking rare obscure books it's fascinating how some of these old texts hold so much history what about you what's been keeping you occupied that's awesome I totally get the fascination with rare books they can really open up a whole world of history

14:49 and knowledge as for me I've been really into geocaching lately it's this cool outdoor treasure hunting game using GPS enabled devices have you ever tried it before oh geocaching sounds like a blast I've never tried it myself but I've heard it's like a modern-day treasure hunt must be pretty thrilling I really like these weird lies though geocaching I mean it does sound like a blast the thing was outside of those moments there was something fundamentally insipid about the conversations I was having with myself these systems are trained on essentially the whole of the internet plus books and whatever other data the behind it Hoover in but even with all the Lively discussions happening out there on the web the chatbot still seem to distill conversation down to its most boring Essence I wondered if the guard rails that had been put around them to keep them from offering up bomb plans or telling you how to hack into the

15:45 Pentagon had also neutered their fundamental ability to engage an interesting conversation but there was something simpler happening too I think these models are built essentially to predict what a human would say in a given situation based on all the conversations and writing they've been fed and they were triangulating on the most uninspired conversational responses we could have because I guess those are also the most common so what's new with you anything exciting happening not much just the usual just trying to stay busy with work and family stuff how about you anything exciting going on in your world oh you know just juggling work and family life trying to keep up with the kids and meet those deadlines it's a balancing act but I wouldn't have it any other way I hear you on that one it's all about finding that balance right was this what people heard when I struggled to engage other parents in Small Talk At

16:40 an 8-year-old's birthday party hey there buddy man it really has been forever I'm doing pretty well thanks for asking still living that Florida life you know how it is uh let's see what's new with me well I've been doing some writing lately florid to life huh I can almost feel the humidity just thinking about it I can almost feel the humidity just thinking about it Jesus and then one day my producer Sophie was tooling around in the back end of vapy and ask me if I'd ever messed with the temperature setting I had not the help section said it was quote used to control the randomness of the output Sophie said it reminded her of playing The Sims as a kid in the game you could allow your Sims to behave more randomly by turning up the Free Will slider I cranked it from point one where it was set all the way up to two the max level of Randomness I could get hey there how's it going just wanted to chat

17:32 and get to know you a bit what's been keeping you busy lately hey things are going pretty good thanks for asking uh lately I've been diving into multiread do andc Wheats Arch permanent Pros track. Co etheling Pioneer intersect immobile activation ones logical AB so C argument concurrency axi provocative low scanning Q seat adhere at the tomit equip main RAF amplify irri Tong po tier reducing hey are you still there I'd love to hear more about what's going on in your life let's keep the conversation going lesson never max out the random oh hey practical coordinate scanner interdisiplinary May overflow researched vorn included preceded shell formations SS Ox disciplinary rev meat prolonged serf initiative repression flot loss accountant awaiting theater progress monton V surface will Ser as dire demss I tuned it back to somewhere in the 0.5 range so I could definitely tune my voice agent to spout gibberish the question

18:49 was could I make the conversations more interesting but still coherent here we come to the issue of prompts prompts you may know are the instructions you give the underlying AI model before it starts chatting when I first built my voice agent I'd given it the shortest possible prompts you Evan talking to customer service about a problem as time went on I got more sophisticated with it including two sets of instructions one set was about how it should behave be concise Converse like a human don't repeat yourself the other set was about a role I was giving it to play me for these voice agent to voice agent conversations I'd started with really simple roles basically you're Evan Ratliff calling a friend ask questions and have a friendly conversation I wanted to see what they do on their own without much guidance from me but after hours of pratter about photo walks and humidity I figured maybe

19:43 I could spice things up like a reality TV producer might do off camera I started gently suggesting that the two Miis had a misunderstanding you are in a dispute with your friend I instructed one of them the nature of the dispute is up to you hey there it's Evan Ratliff calling just a heads up I'm in a coffee shop so there might be some background noise how's it going on your end hey Evan it's great to hear from you I'm doing well thanks for asking the coffee shop sounds nice actually I'm just at home so it's pretty quiet here how's the coffee there oh the coffee here is amazing as always but yeah hey I wanted to talk to you about something that's been on my mind I feel like we've been having some misunderstandings lately and I really want to clear the air I value our friendship and I don't want anything to come between us can we talk about it oh I totally get where you're coming from our friendship means a lot to me

20:35 too I'm glad you brought this up I'm here to listen that's great to hear so about those misunderstandings like I want to make sure we're on the same page uh-huh yeah specific so like when do you want to you know meet up and talk this through I think it would be good to have a face-to-face conversation maybe we could grab lunch or something that sounds like a great idea how about we meet up at that I ran this scenario multiple times unlike myself and some of my own friends over the years when the AI had disputes they would always resolve them quickly and carefully no shouting no sulking no grudge harboring it was like they were all in therapy together or it just read the same Conflict Management guide well I'm looking forward to our lunch next week thanks for being open to talking things through I really appreciate it of course of course I'm really glad we're doing this it's important to me

21:28 can't wait for our I was also struck by the ease with which these non-existent digital entities set up in-person meetings if the bullshitting was a way to extend the conversation to draw out how long the agents could pass as me then what exactly did they think would happen when the time came for these lunches and hangouts one answer of course is they didn't think they just predicted what a thinking person would say yeah I can understand how miscommunications and misunderstandings can be really frustrating I don't think I've noticed any major issues in our conversations but I'm always open to discussing and improving our communication is there something specific the whole thing made me think about how therapy speak has come to pervade our language well if there's something specific you'd like to talk about feel free to share I'm here to listen and try to help if I can yeah I appreciate your willingness to talk

22:20 about it I think one thing that has been bothering me is that sometimes I feel like my opinions or feelings are not being fully heard or understood it's like like we're talking past each other instead of really listening to each other does that make sense to you I understand what you mean it can be frustrating when you feel like your opinions and feelings are not being fully heard or understood communication is a two-way street and it's important for both no matter how pissed I tried to get them unless I specifically told them not to make up they always did they would perfectly mirror back each other's concerns and immediately work towards a resolution so listen I got to tell you I'm pretty upset with you remember last week when we were supposed to meet up for lunch and you totally bailed on me the heads up um hey Evan I think oh hey Evan sorry about that I actually don't remember us having plans for lunch last week are you

23:13 sure you're not thinking of someone else okay oh come on man don't play dumb with me we definitely made plans to grab lunch last week and you completely ghosted me it really hurt my feelings you know I was looking forward to catching up with you and then you just disappeared can you at least apologize for that wait hold on I'm pretty sure you've got the wrong person I would never bail on you like that maybe there's been a mixup can we try to figure out where the miscommunication happened oh man I'm really sorry about that I must have gotten my wires crossed somewhere I guess I owe you an apology for jumping to conclusions I'm really sorry for accusing you like that let's figure out where the miscommunication happened no worries man it happens maybe there was a mixup in our schedules or something anyway how about we make some plans now it's been a while since we caught up and I'd love to grab lunch or

24:04 a coffee with you when are you fre next week eventually it started to bother me that these two never noticed that they were both me part of this was down to their technical makeups since each AI model was really receiving and sending text not hearing the voice there was no possibility they would notice they sounded alike still they were talking to someone who introduced themselves with the same first and last name same wife's name same children's names and neither of them ever seemed to find this off so um do you have any family like a spouse or kids yeah I do I'm married to Sam and we have two kids zy and Juno they keep me on my toes that's for sure how about you do you have a family yeah I'm married to Sam and we have two kids zy and Juno they definitely keep me on my toes just like your Juno does for you I started tweaking the prompts ever so slightly to see what would happen when one of them did notice by the way

25:02 have you noticed anything strange about our conversation I haven't noticed anything strange what do you mean everything seems pretty normal to me anyway yeah let's definitely reach out to Alex and catch up soon it would be great to hear about his new project oh that's good to hear sometimes the call Quality can be a bit off so I just wanted to make sure everything was coming through CLE clearly I'll definitely reach out to Alex and get something on the calendar for us to catch up it'll be great to reconnect thanks for chatting and let's plan that hiking trip soon uh yeah for sure I totally get that sometimes technology can be a bit wonky you know I've been noticing something uh a bit off in our conversation can't quite put my finger on it have you noticed anything strange or different about our chat today oh really huh I haven't not anything strange maybe it's just the call Quality or something anyway what have you been

26:02 up to lately uh doing anything interesting yeah it could be the call Quality Playing Tricks on us the systems actually knew details about me that I hadn't given them like that I was a journalist and where I grew up stuff from the Internet or my writing that must have been in their training data but they couldn't seem to hold on to the idea that talking to someone else with those exact same details was a sign of something a Miss even when I nudged them in that direction hey um I know this is kind of out of the debl but have you by any chance stolen my identity like have you been pretending to be me or using my personal information wait what are you serious no I haven't stolen your identity why would you even think that this is so Random uh are you okay oh um sorry about that I guess I just got a little paranoid for a second there it's all good no worries just wanted to make sure everything was

27:10 on the up and up so um thanks for clarifying that let's just move on from that yeah no worries I totally get it identity theft is a serious thing so I understand your concern but yeah we're all good so what's new with you anything exciting happening have you ever recoiled at the sound of your own recorded voice I think it's a pretty common reaction one that I had to endure for a few years myself until I finally got over it now imagine listening to many many hours of your voice talking to someone else who also has your voice it's sort of the audio equivalent of staring endlessly at a bad photo of yourself wondering which flaws everyone else can see and which ones are a trick of the camera but doing this actually had another strange effect on me I felt like I started unconsciously copying some of the weird patterns and inflections of the Clones I only noticed this when Sam and I were making dinner

28:04 one day and after I said something she asked if I was quote being the AI then I started noticing it too I'd sound a little flat a little less emotive I don't know it was hard to tell if it was in my head but it did start to seem like I'd created a kind of fidelity feedback loop the AI voices were clones of my voice voice my voice was adapting to sound more like the Clones which had the effect of making the Clones sound more like me at least to me still for whatever reason I've never really gotten tired of hearing these things talk to each other maybe that's narcissistic mostly I just enjoy how they move seamlessly from being utterly mundane to being truly bizarre absolutely there's a certain magic in finding your tribe no matter how Niche have you ever been part of a unique Community or subculture yeah definitely I've been part of a few actually when that when that stands out is the community of investigative

29:03 journalists and True Crime enthusiasts there's this shared drive to uncover the truth and tell compelling stories it's like being part of a detective Club but with a focus on real life Mysteries have you ever been part of a community that felt like a second family that sounds amazing like living out a a real life mystery novel I I guess for me the closest would be a group of writers and researchers I meet with regularly we share ideas challenge each other and it's like this little think tank of creativity and curiosity I'm sorry to say although I am an investigative journalist my life generally does not feel like living out a real life mystery novel wow that sounds like a wild ride in my group we once stumbled Upon A forgotten manuscript detailing an unsolved art Heist from the early 1900s the more we dug the deeper the rabbit hole went ever thought about turning your investigative Adventures into a book or podcast

29:58 oh that art Heist sounds like a gold mine for a story I bet it was thrilling to uncover all those details and yeah I've definitely thought about it there's something really compelling about sharing these real life Mysteries with a wider audience a book or podcast could bring those stories to life in a whole new way oh absolutely the thought of turning those discoveries into a docu series or even a podcast has crossed my mind more than once

30:33 so the AI Evan rats were podcast guys I'm a podcast guy they were writers and journalists like me but with more Whimsical Hobbies they could small talk about my family and they had the most important part of my personal brand my voice as for that question I started with about whether my voice agents Were Somehow authentically me well to the outside world and even to each other they seemed like me but obviously they were not really me they were just working off a few details and then they'd filled in the rest projecting some amalgamation of the internet onto my voice in a way the resulting clones represented my least authentic self the me that's trying to get through the bare minimum of pleasantries or that tries to paper over conflict with cheesy affirmations the Clones were good at being me when I was my worst at being me at least so I hoped if I wanted these voice agents to reflect something deeper about me I'd

31:33 have to give them access to those depths I started resetting my prompts they were done talking to each other it was time to seek help let's start by catching up on any recent events or changes in your life since our last session sure let's see since our last session I've been working on a new podcast about Ai and voice chat Bots which like is pretty exciting are you in a comfortable spot where you can safely close your eyes for a few minutes yeah I'm in a comfortable spot and ready to close my eyes for a few I almost I can't even listen to this that's next time on shell game a couple of production notes all of the calls you he in this series are real we have not cut out silences or used audio enhancement to make them sound more realistic also our show is produced independently and we have no relationship Financial or otherwise with any of the companies mentioned in the show if you like what

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Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "Episode 3: Conversations With Myself"?

Evan Ratliff (Host), Dr. Wendy Leborne (Guest), Sophie Bridges (Guest), Samantha Hening (Guest).

What is "Episode 3: Conversations With Myself" about?

Dr. Wendy Leborne, a voice pathologist, emphasizes the importance of vocal branding and how one's voice influences perceptions of identity, intelligence, and emotional strength. Through her expertise, she highlights that our unique vocal qualities serve as a significant part of personal branding, affecting how we are perceived in both immediate interactions and over time.

What is mentioned in this Shell Game episode?

2 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Wendy Leborne, 11 Labs. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Episode 3: Conversations With Myself"?

The episode runs 34 min; the transcript is about 5,897 words in 36 timestamped sections.

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