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Kirsten Dunst | SmartLess

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Kirsten Dunst | SmartLess", an episode of SmartLess published October 6, 2025 (56 min, about 11,943 words). It mentions 92 people, works and ideas, including Roof Man, The Entertainment System is Down, Spider-Man, Tuca Lake, Barum.

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 5:00: Batman, Cake Makers of America, Santa Claus, Sean Hayes
  2. – 10:00: The Entertainment System is Down, Academy Award, Hollywood, Hollywood Bowl
  3. – 15:00: The Entertainment System is Down, Candy Crush, Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman, Interview with the Vampire
  4. – 20:00: Brand Strategy in the Age of AI, Interview with the Vampire, Little Women, New Jersey (Jersey)
  5. – 25:00: Bring It On, Cheerleading, Homeschooling, Jumanji
  6. – 30:00: Sweden, Budapest, Cheerleading, Lars von Trier
  7. – 35:00: Bob's Big Boy, Apple Pan, Budapest, Chili John's
  8. – 40:00: Attorney General, Spider-Man
  9. – 45:00: Dana Carvey, Melancholia, Paul Thomas Anderson, Tuca Lake
  10. – 50:00: Channing Tatum, Fargo (season 2), McDonald, Roof Man
  11. – 55:00: Roof Man, Batman, Lego Batman, Star Wars
  12. – 56:00: Michael Grant Terry, SmartLess, SmartLess, SmartLess

Notable quotes from "Kirsten Dunst | SmartLess"

  • Well,, you, know,, you, don't, need, to, see Will today very well cuz he's doing an audio show called Smartless.
    about SmartLess · at
  • You, You, do, Santa, Claus,, too,, Will, right? You play Santa Claus. No, it's Batman. Oh, Batman.
    about Batman · at
  • Nomination was for interview with a temple., I, just, got, dropped, dead, gorgeous Spider-Man movie Civil War last year and Roofman October 10th.
    about Spider-Man · at
  • Guys were up at TIFF because she you were up there promoting Black Rabbit and you were up there promoting Roof Man which I'm really excited the following day. And it was killer movies. I can't wait to see that movie.
    about Roof Man · at
  • The, entertainment, system, is, down.
    about The Entertainment System is Down · at
  • Sean,, it's, it's, you, know, you know like the bar you know the bar on Tatooine in Star Wars.
    about Star Wars · at
  • All right,, so, you're, in, Tuca, Lake., what's going on? Is Jesse in town or are you guys must take turns single parents.
    about Tuca Lake · at
  • Well,, it's, not., It's, so, Sean, Hayes, you, know,, to, this, guy., Can, I, have, some ice cream? Yeah. What flavor? Vanilla.
    about Sean Hayes · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • Sean Hayes — Person · 2 mentions · first at
  • Dana Carvey — Person · 2 mentions · first at
    So, I, was, when, I, was, younger,, I, I, played Dana Carvey's grandchild when he was George Bush on the couch like eating popcorn as an extra and I was No, way., Victoria, Victoria, Jackson.
  • Jodie Foster — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Movies. Once you start naming him, it's like forget it. I don't think you do notice. It's not Jodie Foster. She's been in I don't even know. I can't even. But her first…
  • Jane Seymour — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Win. You're going to win. And so don't tell a little girl that cuz I didn't win. And then I was crying on I Jane Seymour was next to me like for Dr.
  • Jeff Nichols — Person · 1 mention · first at
    I, auditioned, for, this, movie, with, Jeff Nichols, the director Jeff Nichols called Midnight Special.
  • Lars von Trier — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Lars, von, Trier, is, Yeah., Yeah., Mhm.
  • Victoria Jackson — Person · 1 mention · first at
    George Bush on the couch like eating popcorn as an extra and I was No, way., Victoria, Victoria, Jackson.
  • Paul Thomas Anderson — Person · 1 mention · first at
    I, mean,, the, one, is, Paul, Thomas, Anderson.
  • Channing Tatum — Person · 1 mention · first at
    And, co-starring, Channing, Tatum.
  • Michael Grant Terry — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Smartless is 100% organic and artisally handcrafted by Michael Grant Terry, Rob Armjarf, and Bennett Barbco.
  • Billy Crudup — Person · 1 mention
  • Derek Cianfrance — Person · 1 mention
  • Jason Bateman — Person · 1 mention
  • Jesse Plemons — Person · 1 mention
  • John Krasinski — Person · 1 mention
  • Kristen Dunst — Person · 1 mention
  • Laura Linney — Person · 1 mention
  • Ruben Östlund — Person · 1 mention
  • Will Arnett — Person · 1 mention

Books & papers

  • Roof Man — Book · 4 mentions · first at
  • The Entertainment System is Down — Book · 4 mentions · first at
  • Spider-Man — Book · 3 mentions · first at
  • Star Wars — Book · 2 mentions · first at
  • Interview with the Vampire — Book · 2 mentions · first at
    Yes., And, that, feeling,, I, hadn't, been that excited to get a role since Interview with the Vampire.
  • Little Women — Book · 2 mentions · first at
    Success from interview, I didn't have to audition for a long time. Like I auditioned for Little Women but, it, wasn't, frequent, enough, to traumatize me. I auditioned for Spider-Man was the big next one that I auditioned for.
  • Bring It On — Book · 2 mentions · first at
    Were, you, already, through, high, school when you did Bring It On?
  • Melancholia — Book · 2 mentions · first at
    I, I, liked, making, melancholia., I, don't.
  • United 93 — Book · 1 mention · first at
    That. I feel like it's probably super good, super accurate. It's like the same reason, that movie United 93 that Paul Greengrass I'll never see that because what I hear is that…
  • Triangle of Sadness — Book · 1 mention · first at
    That's, the, guy, who, did, Triangle, of Sadness and Yes., And, Horse, Majour., Ruben, Osland.
  • Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman — Book · 1 mention · first at
    Tell a little girl that cuz I didn't win. And then I was crying on I Jane Seymour was next to me like for Dr.
  • Midnight Special — Book · 1 mention · first at
    I, auditioned, for, this, movie, with, Jeff Nichols, the director Jeff Nichols called Midnight Special.
  • Brand Strategy in the Age of AI — Book · 1 mention · first at
    It was like I auditioned for interview with the Vampire, audition for The Secret Garden, and I didn't get The Secret Garden. And I remember sobbing about that.
  • Jumanji — Book · 1 mention · first at
    Started doing and you mentioned you get nominated, I guess, when you're doing Jumanji, which, was, a, huge, massive, Yeah., Massive.
  • Fargo (season 2) — Book · 1 mention · first at
  • Weapons — Book · 1 mention · first at
    Yeah., scary, movies, are, actually doing really well. There you go. Like Weapons. Oh my god, that movie is good.
  • The Exorcist 3 — Book · 1 mention · first at
    I, saw, The, Exorcist, when, I, was, eight or nine. Like I, thought, that, young,, too.
  • Cheer — Book · 1 mention
  • ET — Book · 1 mention
  • Force Majeure — Book · 1 mention
  • Jaws — Book · 1 mention
  • Saturday Night Live — Book · 1 mention
  • Venom — Book · 1 mention

Companies & orgs

  • SmartLess — Company · 2 mentions · first at
    Well,, you, know,, you, don't, need, to, see Will today very well cuz he's doing an audio show called Smartless.
  • Bob's Big Boy — Company · 2 mentions · first at
    You, go, in, there, to, that, Bob's, Big, Boy.
  • Cake Makers of America — Company · 1 mention · first at
  • Five Guys — Company · 1 mention · first at
    And, every, Sunday, we, would, go, to, Five Guys, right? The burger place. Yeah.
  • Chili John's — Company · 1 mention · first at
    Chili, John's, too., Have, you, been, to, Chili John's? That place is a real relic. It's on right, across, the, street, from River, Riverside, and, Cold, Water., Is, that.
  • Apple Pan — Company · 1 mention · first at
    Have, you, guys, done, Apple, Pan?, You, must have done Apple.
  • Attorney General — Company · 1 mention · first at
    Is, that, the, company, that, was, started, by David G. You're on the right.
  • Toys R Us — Company · 1 mention · first at
    Yeah.,, it's, a, it's, a, it's, a, based, on a true story about a dude who lives inside, of, Toys, R Us, for, a, couple, months.
  • McDonald — Company · 1 mention · first at
    Yes,, he, does., He, he, basically, robbed like 45 McDonald's through the roof.
  • Fox — Company · 1 mention
  • In-N-Out Burger — Company · 1 mention
  • Laurel Hall School — Company · 1 mention
  • Oakwood Apartments — Company · 1 mention
  • South by Southwest (SXSW) — Company · 1 mention
  • TIFF (Toronto International Film Festival) — Company · 1 mention
  • Universal Pictures — Company · 1 mention
  • Universal Studios — Company · 1 mention

Products & tech

  • SmartLess — Product · 2 mentions · first at
  • Tensor bandage — Product · 1 mention · first at
    They, do, it, with, duct, tape, or something like that I, guess., Or, a, tensor, bandage, or something. I don't Don't say [ __ ] tensor ever again.
  • Candy Crush — Product · 1 mention · first at
    Can, I, still, do, Candy, Crush?, Does, Candy Crush work?
  • Lego Batman — Product · 1 mention · first at
    Young boys and she finally opened up the door and let them in. and they came in and said hi and Will did his Lego Batman voice and they it blew their minds. It was fun. Really cute. Really fun. I love that. So cute.
  • CPAP machine — Product · 1 mention

Concepts & topics

  • Batman — Concept · 2 mentions · first at
  • Cheerleading — Concept · 2 mentions · first at
    The, ultimate, the, ultimate cheerleading like high school movie too of all time and, were, people But, we, didn't, know, that, at, the, time.
  • Santa Claus — Concept · 1 mention · first at
    You, You, do, Santa, Claus,, too,, Will, right? You play Santa Claus. No, it's Batman. Oh, Batman.
  • Academy Award — Concept · 1 mention · first at
    I, [ __ ], guessed, it., By, the, way,, that's the first time I think I Academy, Award, nominee., You, didn't, even let me get to that.
  • Pilot season — Concept · 1 mention · first at
    I'd, come, out, I'd, come, out, for, pilot season a bunch of years in a row and stayed there.
  • Homeschooling — Concept · 1 mention · first at
    What, about, the, possible, convenience, of homeschooling? where you guys get guess just drag them around.
  • Dream Work (acting methodology) — Concept · 1 mention
  • Golden Globe Awards — Concept · 1 mention
  • Self-tape audition — Concept · 1 mention
  • Tennis ball sleep method — Concept · 1 mention
  • Tony Award — Concept · 1 mention

Places & events

  • Tuca Lake — Place · 3 mentions · first at
  • Barum — Place · 3 mentions
  • Sweden — Place · 2 mentions · first at
    Isolated. It felt like we were doing a play. We all lived in this small town in Sweden in this hotel/housing place and it was it, was, just, cozy, and really.
  • Budapest — Place · 2 mentions · first at
    Well,, I, didn't, enjoy, Budapest., Let's just put it that way. I really did not.
  • Hollywood — Place · 1 mention · first at
    We, are, Sunday.,, but, in, the, meantime, Hollywood, Bowl.
  • Hollywood Bowl — Place · 1 mention · first at
    We, are, Sunday.,, but, in, the, meantime, Hollywood, Bowl.
  • Toronto — Place · 1 mention · first at
    You're never going to work for the government because so I'm in Toronto and I'm walking by her table, you guys. And up she pops. Hey, I'm about to be on your show. I'm hey.
  • Tatooine — Place · 1 mention · first at
    Sean,, it's, it's, you, know, you know like the bar you know the bar on Tatooine in Star Wars.
  • New Jersey (Jersey) — Place · 1 mention · first at
  • San Diego — Place · 1 mention · first at
    That was like a little San, Diego, who, cares, movie, that Universal, it wasn't like no one knew that would be Do, you, still, remember, some, of, the cheers?
  • Wisconsin — Place · 1 mention · first at
    And, she, she, lives, in, Wisconsin.
  • Norway — Place · 1 mention · first at
    Question. surprise. when you I'm not sure about going to Sweden to, Norway.
  • Riverside — Place · 1 mention · first at
    On right, across, the, street, from River, Riverside, and, Cold, Water., Is, that the place?
  • Magnolia — Place · 1 mention · first at
    No,, Chili, John's, is, on, Is, it, Magnolia, or Burbank? I think it's Burbank. And it's very cool. Old school.
  • Coldwater — Place · 1 mention
  • Santa Monica — Place · 1 mention

Sponsors

  • SmartLess — Sponsor · 2 mentions · first at
    Well,, you, know,, you, don't, need, to, see Will today very well cuz he's doing an audio show called Smartless.

Full transcript with timestamps

Jason, Will and I mean Will. Jason and I are the only two people in glasses. Don't you usually wear glasses?

It, was, like, a, billing., That, was, like, a billing situation. You said Jason and Will. No, no, sorry. I mean Will and Jason. No, I said Will. Will calls you and said, "Listen, next time you mention my name along with Jason." You mentioned my name first.

You, also, say, and, introducing, Will, and introducing the I prefer the I, want, to, say, Will, and, Jason, and introducing Will. No, say yeah. You're saying that you're the only two in glasses.

Yeah., Yeah., I, was, going, to, say,, don't you you usually wear glasses? I, do., I, wear, my, reading, glasses,, but, I'm far back enough now from my screen that I don't so I look younger than you guys.

Well,, you, know,, you, don't, need, to, see Will today very well cuz he's doing an audio show called Smartless.

Smartless and, welcome. Welcome, to, it., Smartless. Smart less. Smart less. Let's, Hang, on, a, second.

Yeah. Sean, Hayes is, back, in, town. Is, back, in, town. Yeah. No,, you, just, got, to, applaud, for yourself. Don't start the applause Sean. We'll start it

and, then, you, can, join, it. You, know,, uh, just, happy, to, have, him back.

By, the, way,, I, have, to, tell, you something. I would go I went out uh out the stage door after a couple shows and no after one show and people were doing that bit. They're like

no, in, England. Yeah,, in, England., Yeah., Yeah, you, guys. Um, but, uh the, bits, travel, sometimes.

People, are, listening. But, I, just, got, back, last, night, and, I, lo I swear to God I weighed about 179 180 when I left. I weigh 165

165, lbs. So, you, lost, 15, lbs, while, you, were, in Yeah., Well,, if, you, lost, it, and, you're looking for it, I can tell you where to find it.

How, long, will, it, take, to, get, it, back? I, swear, to, God,, for, breakfast,, I, just had a bowl of pasta and two pieces of cake cuz it was Scotty's birthday yesterday.

You, got, a, big, race, tomorrow, or something? Wait,, wait,, wait., It's, 9:30, in, the morning right now, and you've already had

But, to, him,, it's, dend, time. A, bowl, of, pasta, and, two, pieces, of, cake.

His, belly, is, saying,, "Feed, me., It's dinner time." That's, right., That's, exactly, right.

Yeah, it, was., But, but, yeah,, no,, I, got, I, got back yesterday at like uh 1:00 in the afternoon and I went to bed at 8:00 p.m. and I got up at 1:00 a.m. and then went back to bed. I got up at 7:00. So I slept like 12 hours.

Yeah,, you, needed, it. Crazy., Yeah., And, did, you, have, to, clean the CPAT machine in between?

You're, not, You're, on, You're, still, on that, are you not? You still I, lost, I, lost, the, weight,, so, I, don't need it.

Wait., Truly. Truly., It, was, the, weight, that, was Well,, it's, a, it's, a, combination, of things. I I try not to sleep on my back too. But yeah.

Okay., And, do, you, do, you, have, like, like nails on your back or something so that if you roll on your back, it pokes you away?

Yeah,, that, would, be, good., Strap, on, some sort of like a nail bed. People, used, to, do, that., They, they'd, like they put like a tennis ball. They'd wrap like a tennis ball on their back.

No,, they, didn't. What, do, you, mean,, did, they? Look, it, up. Oh,, red, do, the, research.

What, do, you, mean, rap?, Wait,, keep, going. Do the re. I love research. People do. I did the research.

I, did, the, research., What, do, you, mean? Yeah., Oh., Oh,, you, have, access, to, Google.

Yeah. Wait., What, website, told, you, that, people used to strap a tennis ball to the small of their back?

Uh,, I, read, that, a, long, time, ago. Wait., To, do, what?, To, do, what?, I, don't know.

Somehow, like, put, a, tennis, ball, on, the, on the I forget how they do it like in their whatever. So that if they roll onto their back it's uncomfortable and then they want to roll back over. It's gentle.

They, do, it, with, like, duct, tape, or something like that I, guess., Or, like, a, tensor, bandage, or something. I don't Don't say [ __ ] tensor ever again.

You, know, I, think your, dumb, lips, tensor. Tensor, stupid lips. Professional Greek.

I, was, doing, it, this, morning., I, was Yeah,, we, are, professional, grade. The, river, doesn't, damn, itself.

This, country, wasn't, built, in, a, day. Not, a, week, either. Okay. You, You, do, Santa, Claus,, too,, Will, right? You play Santa Claus. No, it's Batman. Oh, Batman.

You, know, what? Batman, sand. Hey,, Sean,, we, got, to, get, you, a, nice campaign. What would you like to uh

That's, a, great, point., Sling, commercials for Yeah. Uh, cake., Is, cake, a, thing?

General, general, cake, spot. All, cake. Cake, makers, of, America. Yeah. Sean,, would, you, like, to, go, to, a, cake convention? Would that like

Wouldn't, that, be, fun?, Wouldn't, that, be great? How, was, the, reintroduction, to, your, dog? Did he give you any?

He, comes, He, comes, back, today, in, about three months. Still, haven't, seen, him., How, long, has, it been?

Three, months. Wow., You, think, he's, gonna, give, you, a little bit of a of a hairy eyeball?

He, like,, "Welcome, back, side, eye." No,, he, um, will, poop, in, the, bed. No,, he, he, will., I'll, I'll, do, that., No, he'll um

Oh,, Sean,, still welcome, home. No,, he, he's, he'll, go,, "Wow,, it's, you." and then run and just play and want to treat. I was like, "Scotty

listen., Sean,, we're, so, happy, to, have, you back in the fold. We missed you the other night. We talked about it all the time.

So, excited." Are, we, all, hanging, out, this, Sunday? Uh,, yeah., What, if, you, guys, like, Sorry, that was it. Last Sunday was it.

We, are, Sunday., Um,, but, in, the, meantime, Hollywood, Bowl. Oh,, well,, by, the, way,, sorry,, we, are going to the Hollywood Bowl. We are going to the Hollywood Bowl.

November, 15th. November, 15th,, Hollywood, Bowl., We, got, a couple of guests. We got a couple things going on.

Got, a, super, big, guest., Will,, you, better bring the noise on your guest. Yeah, I'm gonna bring the noise. It's going to be a lot of fun. We're also going to have some special guests as well. It's going to be a lot of fun.

And, uh special, guest, sprinkled, around. Oh, yeah,, we're, going to, have, we, have, a lot, of, We're, going to, have a, lot, of

Am, I, going, to, be, told, about, the, special guests or You've, already, been, told., We've, talked about it before, but I mean, you just don't listen. But anyway

tell, me, your, name, one, more, time. Oh, god,, I'm, sorry., Unless, I, put, it, in the context of golf, he doesn't hear it.

Jason,, we, already, talked, about, it., We did. Yeah,, no,, we, already, talked, about, it. You remember? Okay, we're going to welcome our guest.

Is, this, someone, that's, going, to, make, me nervous? It's, really, Well,, I, I, get, nervous, about you know this person and you're going to be nervous about it cuz she's like a she's a super wattage mega town. But I've had the pleasure of meeting this person a few times and I'm always a little starruck. I got to admit

you, only, meet, someone, once. She, she, was, nominated, for, her, first Golden Globe when she was 12. Okay. This is Yeah. And has kept it going ever since. She's been in countless fantastic movies. Once you start naming him, it's like forget it. I don't think you do notice. It's not Jodie Foster. She's been in I I don't even know. I can't even. But her first her first uh nomination was for interview with a

temple., I, just, got, dropped, dead, gorgeous Spider-Man movie Civil War last year and Roofman October 10th.

I, [ __ ], guessed, it., By, the, way,, that's the first time I think I Academy, Award, nominee., You, didn't, even let me get to that.

Sorry., Sorry. You, robbed, her., You, robbed, her, of, that. Hi, Kristen Dun. Hi., I'm, so, happy, to, be, on, the, show.

Does, anyone, call, you, KD? Yes. Really? Yes., I'm, a, lot, of, names. Well,, listen, here., Listen, here,, Katie. You're never going to work for the government because so I'm in Toronto and I'm walking by her table, you guys. And up she pops. Hey, I'm about to be on your show. I'm like, hey.

Is, that, right?, Is, that, right? It's, supposed, to, be, a, secret., So,, your government job is done.

That's, amazing. But, I, was, like,, "Okay,, I'll, play, like, a play like a big surprise."

But, you, never, know., You, didn't, know., But you didn't know when. You never know when. You never know when it's going to happen. That's the good news. And you guys were up at TIFF because she you were up there promoting Black Rabbit and you were up there promoting Roof Man which I'm really excited the following day. And it was killer movies. I can't wait to see that movie. It's so good. It's like a perfect like Christmas movie. I, you know, like I love it. Love it. Love it. Love it.

I, can't, wait, to, see, it., And, uh, we're, all very excited for it. And we're really excited that you're here. F. It feels like finally a little bit. This is Where are you? Where is this?

I'm, in, Tuca, Lake. Nice. Oh, wow., You're, up, there. Will, and, I, are, about, Will, and, I, are about to shank a couple of balls into your backyard.

We, are, about, to, be, there, very, in, a couple hours. There's, probably, a, better, way, to, say that.

Yeah. Yeah., Don't, worry., We'll, scrub, it., Uh, so you were supposed to be on here a couple years ago uh for Civil War and I forget what happened. It was a schedule thing. Blah blah blah.

Oh,, one, of, you, were, sick. Yeah,, JB., For, sure., Yeah. Yeah., Yeah., Yeah.

Oh,, yeah., For, sure., JB, always, battling. Wait,, I, love, I, You, were, so, great, in, that movie. That movie was really

I, know., I, love, Civil, War., It, was, so good. I know. I, need, to, see, that., I'm, scared, to, see that. I I feel like it's probably super good, super accurate. It's like the same reason, you know, that movie United 93 that Paul Greengrass I I'll never see that because what I hear is that it's it's just too good. It puts you on a plane that's plummeting from the sky for 2 and 1/2 minutes.

I, did, that, movie, that's, coming, out, next year on a plane. No., What, is, it, called?, Really?

The, entertainment, system, is, down. Oh, yes. What, is, that, about? That's, the, guy, who, did, um, Triangle, of Sadness and

Yes., And, Horse, Majour., Ruben, Osland. Ruben., You're, in, a, Ruben, Osland, film.

Yeah., That's, like, that, was Yeah., You, and, your, you, and, your, hubby are just in about every great movie you ever want to be in.

I, know., I, know., And, and, your, h, your husband Jesse Plemens who's also a wonderful guy. I had the pleasure of meeting both of you last year or something. Just sweet, sweet, super talent. And so you did that movie uh um the entertainment system is down which I've just read about which looks awesome.

What, is, that?, What, is, that, like?, Like like satellites go out or something or

Well,, what, is, that? Sound, less, perturbed, about, it., No,, no., I want to know because it sounds cool.

What, is, it?, Like, the, satellite, email, or something? Wait,, do, I, still, get, emails, and, stuff like that?

Can, I, still, do, Candy, Crush?, Does, Candy Crush work? By, the, way,, that's, real.

That's, all, I, do., Wait,, what?, Like,, you don't have to. I know we're talking about some other movie, but tell me what that that one's about just like briefly cuz I want I love sci-fi. You want to prepare?

It's, not, sci-fi. Oh,, yeah., But, I, mean, like, doomsday stuff. Well, it's human doomsday basically on a plane.

Yeah,, it's, human, doomsday. It's, called, the, entertainment, system, is down because there's no Wi-Fi. There's nothing.

Right., Right. So,, you, have, to, deal, with, each, other. Okay., That's, what, I, want, to, see.

Sean,, it's, like, it's, like, you, know, you know like the bar you know the bar on Tatooine in Star Wars.

Oh,, got, it., I'm, I'm, on, board., I'm, on board. Okay., Sorry., I, just, wanted, to, put, it into context so you could understand it. Um, so curious, walk us through a little bit uh how you I mentioned that you got your first uh big award nomination. It was for Golden Globe when you were 12 years old. How trippy was that? I mean for a 12y old

I, don't, think, I, really, realized, like, you, know what,, I, was, working, on, Jamanji and everyone's like, "You're going to win. You're going to win." And so don't tell a little girl that cuz I didn't win. And then I was crying on I Jane Seymour was next to me like for Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman and I was just like crying

under, the, table, pretty, much on, the, at, the, at, the, table, on, NBC, in front of all the every and everyone's all banged up on champagne and there's a little girl there looking for someone to hold.

Wow. Yeah. Did, you, have, a, speech, all, lined, up, and everything? I I don't remember if I did but

but, hey,, better, to, better, to, kind, of learn that at a young age that you know you can't trust the outcome of stuff you know.

Yeah,, I, was, gonna, say, Yeah,, I, was, going to say, did did it help kind of rightsize all of that stuff eventually

you, know?, It's, like, award, stuff, doesn't like, you know, we all know like the good stuff we all love usually doesn't get nominated or doesn't win. It's like so really all you have is the experience of making it. That's all you have

right? It's, also,, it's, so, odd,, isn't, it,, that like people, you're, not, like, the, competition of it all. No one's playing the same character. It's like, you know, 100 yard dash, you know, everyone's going the same distance, who who gets there quicker. It's it's pretty clear.

Um, I, had, to, audition, for, the, movie, on, the plane for the entertainment system is down and weird.

Yes., And, that, feeling,, I, hadn't, been that excited to get a role since Interview with the Vampire.

Wow. So,, like, to, me,, auditioning, and, getting something is like that is crazy.

When, was, the, last, time, you, auditioned before the Ruben Osland thing? I, auditioned, for, this, movie, with, Jeff Nichols, the director Jeff Nichols called Midnight Special.

The, great, the, great, Jeff, Nichols., That was a great movie. Midnight Special.

Yeah. Love, that, movie., Um,, so, but, wait,, so that was like 10 years ago. Yeah,, it, had, been, a, minute, at least,

I, don't, think., Yeah,, that, was Oh, my, god., Were, you, nervous, auditioning again? I would be terrified.

I, did, a, self, tape. I, all, by, myself., Yeah,, it, is, easier. A, new, world.

It, was, a, Yeah,, it, was, a, all, it, was, all improv. He gave me an improv and, Yeah,, I, just,, you, know,, pull, up, my iPhone. I just taped it on my iPhone and pretended

Yeah., And, if, you, sucked,, you, just, get, to do it again. Yeah., I, did, two, takes., I, felt, I, was, like And I didn't watch it and I just sent it. Did you ask Jesse to look at it?

No,, he, was, away., Uh,, so, no, way. So, you, were, just, all, by, yourself., He just

Yeah. No, way., And, what, So, what, do, you, think, he was looking for? Like do you mind saying what the what the

No,, not, at, all., I, My, improv, was, a two people are sitting bored next next to each other on a plane. He's asleep with our son

and, I, am, bored, and, look, at, his, phone, and I discover that he's been cheating on me. So it's like, you know, hanging out on the plane, bored, do the whole like face recognition thing. And

wait,, now, so, that's, all, your, your, that's all your idea. Yeah. Yeah. No,, no,, this, is, all, he, wanted, me, to, do this vibe basically the director. And so then I see a memory comes up on the iPhone that is like to cotton eye Joe that song and it's supposed to be like him cheating with a bunch of

where, did, you, come, from?, Where, did, you go? Exactly., You sure? So, then, I, see, that, he's, been, cheating, on me and I wake him up.

But, first, I, have, to, go, through,, you know, all the emotions and [ __ ] And, since, there, was, no, one, else, in, the improv with you, as soon as you wake him up and you start to confront him, it's over.

It's, over., I, was, like,, "You, need, to, wake up." And then I just I just got pissed and I got up and shut off my phone.

Oh,, I, love, it., I, would, love It's, crazy., I, mean,, it's, wild, to, do, a self tape of an improv by yourself.

I, know. Yeah., That's, That's, so, weird. I, did, put, Jesse's, camera, like, that, cuz he's always shooting film of our family. So, I I put his camera nearby so I had like, a, I, don't know,, a, symbol., This, is real actor right now of of him of something,

right?, Yeah., Yeah., Yeah., Nice. How, long, have, you, guys, been, married? Oh, god,, I, don't, even, know., We've, been together forever.

10, years., We, got, married, after, kids. Yeah., Yeah., Really? I, three, years, maybe.

Okay,, got, it. Yeah, that's, great., Wait,, talk, a, little, bit, a little bit about uh so doing that audition uh for that movie by yourself the, the the, nightmare, self, tape, improv, which is bizarre

but, but, it, probably, been, a, minute, since you you said you auditioned for another film, but but how different was when you first started auditioning when you were a kid, basically?

Yeah. And, JB,, you, had, that, experience,, too, auditioning a lot when you were a kid right?

Yeah., Yeah. And, and, what, that, and, what, that, process was like back then, what it meant to you back then. Did you feel were the stakes high or was it just kind of like after school go do it and then go do your thing?

Yeah., What?, Yeah., What, is, that, like?, Do you put it did you put a big thing on it?

What, do, you, think,, Kirsten? I, did. I, did, because, well, like, Okay., For, for, we were at the Oakwood departments.

Oh, my, gosh. I, was, going, to, normal, schools. Well,, for, for, my, sister, Oakwood, for Tracy Oak departments is a is a complex where a lot of actors would stay while they audition

because, you, can, rent, it, monthly., Yeah,, I can come out. I'd, come, out, I'd, come, out, for, pilot season a bunch of years in a row and stayed there.

Same. Yeah., You, Oh,, same., Okay., Where, were you? Where were you coming from?

I'm, from, New, Jersey. Okay. Yeah. All, right., You, guys, could, have Yeah., So,, we, would, come, out., Yeah.

We, probably, remember, you, used, to, have that sign on the when you when you left the back the one on Barum, right?

Yeah., Yeah. So,, and, the, back, gate, one, had, a, as, you were waiting for the gate to open there's a little sign on the gate as it moved that said, "Smile at Showtime."

Oh,, God., I, don't, know. And, I, remember, thinking, like,, "How, soon do you want me to take my own life? So depressed and not getting any jobs.

Go, get, them. Oh, god., Anyway., Anyway,, so, so, you, come out your So, you're, Oakwood., So, you're, at, Oakwood with your

Oak, my, mom,, my, brother,, and, my, grandma. Wow. Uh, but, I, would, go, to, normal, school., I went to Laurel Hall in the valley. Sure. Where I met my best friend. So

So, I, had, like, a, normalish, life, cuz, I never was hometutoed or anything. Yeah., Um,, but, yeah,, auditioning, was, when it was a big role. Like I remember this it was like I auditioned for interview Interview with the Vampire, audition for The Secret Garden, and I didn't get The Secret Garden. And I remember sobbing about that.

Wow. But, now,, but, was, it, did, it, get, more stressful as you got older? No,, because, I, think, because, I, got success from interview, I didn't have to audition for a long time. Like I auditioned for Little Women

but, it, wasn't, frequent, enough, to traumatize me. I auditioned for Spider-Man was the big next one that I auditioned for.

Uh-huh., Did, you, get, it? I, did. He's, so, He's, jetlagged., Forget, it., He's just cheeky. Even though he's not in England anymore, he's still cheeky. Um JB, did you ever did you ever I mean this honestly. Did you ever sob or have that thing that pressure? I remember you talking about the pressure of getting a job because it was the family business.

I, never, cried,, but, what, was, worse, was that I'd be so paralyzed with fear on the way to auditions when I got to be in my 20s because I I need I literally I needed the employment. I needed, you know, it wasn't just like fun when I was like a little kid and I get to skip school and all that stuff. And then it bec became like, you know, well, this is this is how this is my occupation. That's how I

Did, you, support, your, family,, Jason? Uh,, I, contributed, for, sure., Yeah.

Yeah., Yeah., Yeah., Did, you,, Kirstson? I, didn't, have, to., It, started, out, as like, ah, fun, college money, whatever.

Um,, and, then, my, parents, got, divorced, and then it was a little like, well, you're making the most money, so my mom lives in my back house. Okay.

A, That's, sweet. Yeah., I'm, a, good, daughter. That's, good., That, is, sweet., I, love, that.

Very,, very, cute. We'll be right back. And now back to the show. All right,, so, you're, in, Tuca, Lake., Um, uh, what's going on? Is Is Jesse in town or are you uh You guys must take take turns single parents.

Yeah,, I, was, I, was, going, to, get, into that. Yeah, it's tough. Yeah,, it's, so, hard., I, had, a, real, moment last night. I just went to my friend's house. I was like, I can't parent alone tonight. I just can't do it. Just leave a bunch of milk and crackers out and

Well,, I, took, them, with, me., Gotcha., No, no, I just brought What, do, you, think, she's, doing, over there man?

That's, how, I, grew, up. Wait,, how, how, many, kids?, How, many, kids and how old?

I, have, two, boys,, but, like, literally, I'm getting ready for this and I get this sign. I need you.

Him, sad, me, with, the, door, shut. Oh,, look, at, that, drawing., That's, Sean Sean's dog drew a similar picture. Wait, did he make that? So, so listener this is this is a picture of Kirsten inside one room with the door closed and then her son on the outside

upset. Upset., And, so,, did, he, slide, that, under the door? Yes. Come, out. Yeah.

No. And, I, am, I, let, them, sleep, in, bed, with, me when Jesse's not here. Like I am like actually, you know, we watch Will is

the, Lego, Masters, show, because Nice. Oh,, it, puts, you, right, out,, right?, Yeah. I know. I use that.

That's, like, Yeah, it's, like, a, sugar, crash., It's, fun. It's, It's, calming., It's, a, fun, thing, to watch with kids, isn't it? It's a very fun family show.

So, So, are, you, guys, all, So, one, of, you, is pretty much is it safe to say always working and that's why you have to just

We, had, summer, together., No,, we, had, the summer together. It's like whoever's up next like whatever happen like we're still trying to figure it out you know but I'm it's really hard. It's really hard. So um yeah they're to they're four and seven so it's like and they're two boys. It's a lot.

It's, a, lot. I, I, I, I've, been, there, been, there, and done that. And have, you, thought, about, and, and, you, can shut us up anytime we're getting too personal. Have you thought about the the sort of the con the

I, didn't, know, that, was, an, option. [ __ ] shut up. This is the [ __ ] greatest day on the podcast. Shut the [ __ ] up. Shut the [ __ ] up.

What, about, the, possible, convenience, of homeschooling? You know, where you guys get guess just drag them around.

My, kids, be, weird. I, know., I, know., Exactly., I'm, with, you. They need that social interaction probably right?

Yeah., No, I, know, plenty, of, parents, though, that have done it successfully. So, who who are we to judge? But it I I definitely benefited from getting getting uh away from adults and into school and being with kids when I wasn't working. It was great.

Yeah., And, they, just, you, pick, up, the great news was the bus that picked you up was the school.

Yeah. Turns, out, Jason, went, to, school, on, a, bus and he didn't drop out of high school. He was dropped off from high school.

It, is, true., It's, going, to, be, a, fun chapter in the book one day. Oh, god.

Don't, you, cry., Oh,, you, cried., I'm, not crying. You're crying. A So, you, But, so, uh, and, you, kind, of mentioned you didn't really have to audition anymore. You did you kind of did for Little Women, but then you just started doing and you mentioned you get nominated, I guess, when you're doing Jumanji,

which, was, a, huge, massive, Yeah., Massive. And, you, just, you, kind, of, went, on, this run of like just being in these big massive movies and you're young.

Yeah. So, you're, like,, "Oh,, well, this, is, my reality." It, it, wasn't, though., Like, I, was, almost embarrassed.

Really? Really? I, think, so., And, I, didn't, really, I, like had a blocker up. I think that didn't compute what what I was doing. Plus what am I doing? I'm going to school. I have my best friend. We're in our own world. Like, I really lived in a very little like school bubble, you know? So I would do my thing. No, but didn't it get but didn't it get weird like on the weekends and you go to your school parties and all the kids at the party and you're just trying to you just feel like you're just one of the kids at at at the weekend party and they're like "Oh, hey, I that's that girl from the movie I saw last week." Like, did they do that to me?

No,, really., Come, on., You, were, pretty famous though. Yeah,, but, I, don't, a, very, early, age.

They, didn't, do, that, to, me, at, school. Yeah., I, don't, maybe, it, was, like, a, I, I was very normal. I didn't come into school like hey look at me you know I was embarrassed. So

yeah, like, talk, to, me, about, that., What, do you mean embarrassed? Like embarrassed because of the attention that you got that that was a byproduct of the movie that you weren't looking for.

I, think, I, just, didn't, want, to, be, singled out at school as anything other than another student there

and, high, school, too., like, I, didn't, want anyone to call me out or be like so I underplayed myself.

Were, you, already, through, high, school when you did Bring It On? Uh, it, was, senior, year,, the, summer, before senior year.

Like, the, ultimate, like, the, ultimate cheerleading like high school movie too of all time

and, were, people But, we, didn't, know, that, at, the, time. That was like a little

San, Diego, who, cares, movie, that Universal, you know, it wasn't like no one knew that that would be

Do, you, still, remember, some, of, the cheers? You, know, I, do., Do, you, do, it?

Do, you, do, it?, Do, you, ever, do, it sometimes, ironically, on set when it's you're trying to ramp up the crew in the cast? It's a [ __ ] night shoot and it's time to keep going.

Ready?, Okay. Five., Five., Five. I, did, it, for, my, sons, yesterday, cuz, we went to this 25th anniversary. Well, we went to this 25th anniversary bring it on thing on Sunday night. No way. And they had good pom poms. So, I brought some pom poms home and I was like doing cheers for them and spelling their names. That's the only show. That's Those are the only people that are gonna get that.

Did, they, like, it? Yes., My, son, was, like, looking, at, me, like I was like, "Whoa." Like a golden goddess. I didn't know you could do this Mom.

You, don't, want, him, to, like, it, too, much. Cheer, squad. Yeah., I, actually, a, mom, recruited, me, to start a cheer squad at the school.

Really? Oh,, wow. Yes., Yes., Yes., Oh,, I'm, gonna, do, it., I'll do it. Yeah.

I, love, that, you're, going, to, do, that., I do love that show. That show Cheer on on Netflix. So good.

Dark. I, know., I, know. Is, it, Is, it, dark?, I, What, is, it? Oh,, it, got, dark.

A, guy, got, arrested, for, bad, things. Yeah., Really? Oh, god. I, didn't, see, that, one.

Well,, no. Did, that, happen, on, the, show, or, or, away from Off, the, show?, Off, the, show.

Got, it., Wait,, Shnie,, did, you, did, you ever experiment with Cheer Squad? No,, but, my, sister, uh, was, a, cheerleader. Her name is Tracy.

Okay., And, she with, an, ey, or, is, it, just an, ey?, Yeah. And, she, uh, she, lives, in, Wisconsin.

Does, she, know, much, about, the, biz? Yeah. No. You, have, to, explain, stuff, to, her, ever.

Yeah., Anytime, you, guys, can, think, about it, just make sure. Continuing., And, so, she, would, she, would have um she would do cheer cheerleading things and she would do popp she would do batons. Oh, wait. Do I have the photo? No. And uh uh

I, thought, you, were, going, to, grab, there's a picture of me and her. I'm so excited. Yeah. So, I learned how to do the baton at a young age.

What, is, the, What, is, the, little, thing, uh with the dude in front of the band, the marching band? It's not Yeah. So, it's got a It's got a pointy stick and then a little ball at the top. Is that also a baton or just or like a band band leader stick

or, staff?, Yeah., Staff. Yeah., Something, like, that., Anyway, Kirsten. So, uh

I'm, happy, chilling. Yeah., You, don't, get, to, talk, on, this show. I, love, it., Um,, wait., So,, tell, me,, wait, because like Will said, you've done so many gigantic movies. Is there I know you don't want to. They're all important to you and all of your work is important to

But, they're, all, different, like, sort, of different styles like you you really bounce around. You can't be pegged to one thing like you've did you've had these like it almost feels like different phases. Well, they're just different roles. I guess that's what it is. Simplicity.

But, is, there, one, where, you're, just, like, you, know what,, that, was, the, greatest experience of my whole career so far. And

and, you, just, thought, like, it, there's, no way it can get better than that. Although

not, results, necessarily,, but, just, No. Yeah. No, the experience. The experience.

Huh., I, don't, know, cuz, like, movies, aren't fun, to, make., You, know what, I, mean?

Right., Right., Yeah. So,, but, God,, I, I He'll, take, He'll, take, the, He'll, take, the worst experience.

I, I, liked, making, melancholia., I, don't. It was like It was like this little isolated. It felt like we were doing a play. We all lived in this small town in Sweden in this

hotel/housing place and it was it, was, just, like, cozy, and really calm, and, so, I, what, I'm, like, comforting. I don't know. It was just

I, just, felt, like, oh, this, is, what, it could be like. Lars, von, Trier, is, Yeah., Yeah., Mhm.

Now, that, you, have, a, Go, ahead. Well,, I, I, I'm, going, to, ask, a, dumb question. Um surprise. Uh when you I'm not sure about going to Sweden

to, Norway. Why? Because, of, the, light., I, feel, like, I'm get very sad because if I if I'm there during the time of the year when the sun only comes up for a couple of hours, I'm going to feel like

they, call, it, winter. They, call, they, call, it, winter. Is, it, winter?, I, can't., I'm, not, sure, I can do No, it's very I We were there in the summer, so we had a beautiful Swedish summer.

Almost, worse,, right?, Because, there's because the sun never goes down. It, did.

It's, weird., I, went, one, time, I, went, I went one time early July and I flew from here

and, I, landed, there, and, I, had, crazy, jet lag and then woke up at 4:00 a.m. for a phone a phone call came through

and, it, was, and, I, step, outside, and, it's blaring sun and it's like 5 to 4 a.m. and it felt like it was noon and I was like, "What the [ __ ] Where am I? It was so discombobulating.

I, feel, bad., I, would, feel I, mean, because, of, that,, Kirsten,, because you have a family now and Jesse works and it's it's this very artistic, you know,

you're, you're, just, around, it, all, the time and the schedules. Do you still enjoy going to another country for 3, four five, 6 months, whatever it is to to work? I mean, is that that those experiences, do they still fill you up?

Uh,, well,, I, didn't, enjoy, Budapest., Let's just put it that way. I really did not. Well, our son, we all went as a family. We enrolled them in the international school there.

Yeah., Mhm. And, then, my, son, had, appendicitis, and emergency surgery and then recovered for a week and then had a blockage. So basically my time in Budapest was horrible. It was horrible.

God,, that's, that's, so, young, to, have, an appendicitis. Usually it takes years to fill that thing up.

I, don't, know., I, was, like,, everyone's like, "Drink the water there." So, I was like "Yeah, the water's great." So, now I'm freaking out like, "Was it the water?" I don't know.

Wait,, what, movie, was, that, on? That, was, on, the, airplane, movie. Oh,, that, you, just, did., Oh,, no, [ __ ], No [ __ ]

Oh,, wow. So,, this, first, part, I, mean,, everyone's had a [ __ ] year, it seems like, but like the first part of Well, the first part of our year was pretty

bad., So,, but, but, to, Sean's, question, like do you um are you a are you a big neester? Like when like now that you're back home, do you love just like not going anywhere?

Yeah., I, don't, go, anywhere., Yeah., I, I stay in my radius of school drop off and neighborhood restaurants. I don't I don't leave the valley.

It's, nice,, isn't, it? You, go, in, there, to, that, Bob's, Big, Boy. You get in there.

Oh,, I, like, the, car, nights,, but, I, never want to eat there. Bob's, Big, Boys., I, love, it.

Sean,, cool, it,, man. Yeah., Okay., It's, not, going, anywhere. We're, not, We're, not, going, to, be, done with this for another 20 minutes.

Start, the, car., I, was, uh, I, was, I, I, was, in London just yesterday actually. What's today? Tuesday. Yeah. And um and I just finished did my last show. I did a play there Kirsten and it was uh that

finally, a, final, good, night., A, final, good night for us. And, every, Sunday, we, would, go, to, Five Guys, right? The burger place. Yeah.

And, so, Will, facetimed, me, and, Scotty, on our walk to Five Guys and he goes "Where you going?" I go, he goes, "Are you on your way to Five Guys to get a burger?" I go, "Yeah." He goes, "By the look of you both, you're going to walk out of there. You're going to walk out of there looking like 10 guys or something."

Like, 10, Guys,, am, I, am, I, right?, Am, I right? Is this thing so stupid? But I love I love the um I love those old burger joints like Big like Bob's Big Boy and stuff. And there's a lot of them in the valley, like old like pizza places in the valley that are really great. I'm going to say something.

Chili, John's, too., Have, you, been, to, Chili John's? That place is a real relic. It's on

right, across, the, street, from River, Riverside, and, Cold, Water., Is, that the place?

No,, Chili, John's, is, on, Is, it, Magnolia, or Burbank? I think it's Burbank. And it's very cool. Old school.

Have, you, guys, done, Apple, Pan?, You, must have done Apple. Yes,, of, course., But, that's, over, the hill.

Yeah,, Apple, Panico. There, I'm, going to, say, something controversial. There are burger places that everybody talks about that are only that I just think are really overrated. like

like well, I, don't, want, to, I, don't, want, to name it. I want to I, want, to, raise, people's, boats,, but, I'm not gonna name people things that I don't like.

Super, super, courageous., Um, the, uh uh, Well,, I, will,, you, know,, I, will, say our friend on Sunday makes a burger on par with In-N-Out.

Oh, my, god. It, is., Um I, would, say, better. I, I, would, say, better., I, could, be, with you.

I, would, say, better. It's, really, delicious., If, you, could, let's go around the horn here. If you could have only one classic junk food as your final meal, would it be like a burger? Would it be a pizza? Would it be grilled cheese?

That's, a, great, question., I I, will, go, first., I, I, think, it's, going, to be, pizza, and, I'm, going to, have, a, side, of well done fries.

Okay. Oh,, yeah. I, would, do, I, probably, Yeah. Yeah., You, go., No,, you, go,, Sean.

I, was, spaghetti. Okay. Really? That's, not, junk, food. Well,, it's, not., It's, so, Sean, Hayes,

you, know,, to, this, guy., Can, I, have, some ice cream? Yeah. What flavor? Vanilla.

That's, it., That's, his, goat., He, loves, it so much with a glass of milk. Mother's, milk., It's, mother's, milk.

Uh, Kirsten,, what, would, you, have?, What would you be your ultimate junk food?

Well,, junk, food., I, mean, like, like, comfort, food, burger, could, be grilled cheese.

I, think, I, honestly, I, might, do, In-N-Out. Yeah. Cheeseburger. With, a, chocolate, shake.

Just, a, single., Well,, cheeseburger,, extra spread, no onions is my vibe. So,, not, the, double, double.

No, extra, spread,, though., I, like, your, style. You're not doing the spread on the side. You want them to slather it right on.

Yes., Good, for, you., You, got, to, eat, it quick before the bun gets soggy. Yeah., That's, why, I, I, turn, the, air conditioning off when I get take out for home. I'm like, AC off. This [ __ ] better be rolled up in the bag real tight. I hate when people come home with an open box of In-N-Out.

I, do, too., I, do,, too., What's, the, point? Take it back off because you want to keep your burger hot.

God,, I, love, you., That, is, extra, level. I'm, with, you, on, that. Wait,, can, I, go, back, to, work, for

No,, wait., Arnette, hasn't, declared. Oh,, yeah., Sorry. Uh,, I, I'd, go, I'd, go, pizza,, too., I'd, go pizza and chocolate shake.

And, what, kind, of, pizza, is, it? Um,, it, would, probably, be, just, a, more than likely just a cheese pizza.

May, maybe, maybe, with, some, meat, on, it. Sausage. Sausage. Some, nice, meat.

Some, sausage, and, some, onions., Is, that, a crispy or is that kind of a soft I'm uh

No,, it's, got, to, have, it's, got, to, have, a sort of a crispy crispy undercarriage as they say.

Black, bottom., Black, bottom. Not, necessarily., Not, necessarily, black bottom, but but but it's got to have some crisp to it. And I and I when I see people eat pizza and put the crust to the side and they don't eat the crust I'm like, are you are you communist? What are you doing?

In, college,, we, used, I, used, to, eat, the pizza and then save the crust and dip it in peanut butter after.

Ew. God,, you, [ __ ], Peanut, butter. Yeah,, like, is, it, just, ranchers? Sean,, I, mean, this, with, with, all, with, all respect, you fat [ __ ]

Wait,, I, want, to, ask, more, work, stuff. It's Kirsten Johnson. I, know., I, know., Me,, too., I, want, to, ask, I want

I, want, to, know,, do, you, have, any, kind, of um routine things that you do before a shoot, after a shoot, during a shoot, or something that you're consistent about that like, you know, I'm about to start a job, so this is how this is going to go. I'm going to make sure I do

practicing, your, faces, or in, the, mirror. Yeah. Yeah. Um,, anything, I, do? Are, you, big, on, research?, Do, you, big, on like getting studying your character and figuring out what they have in their pockets and all that actor stuff?

I, mean, they, have, a, secret., My, characters, have, a secret. I, uh, What, do, I, do?, I, do, dream, work. That's my main thing I do.

Oh,, yeah., What's, that? I, like, that. Yeah. What, is, dream?, I, just, did, the, first time.

You, did? Yeah. Yeah. Is, that, the, company, that, was, started, by David G. You're on the right.

Wait,, Kirsten,, what?, I, don't, know what DreamWork is. So,, there's, a, couple, acting, coaches, you could call them, but they're more than that. But my lady is someone who's done it. Her mom did it, too. And you basically ask your self questions and write yourself a note at night of what you want to find out about your character. And then whatever you dream you write it down and you discuss it with her and implement it into

Oh,, that's, cool. the, script., And that's, really, cool., I, love, that. But, but, but, regardless, of, whether, the dream had anything to do with the question or or your character, it's just whatever your dream scenario was, you kind of incorporated into your character's backstory.

Well,, you're, write, you're, writing yourself a specific note at night. So you're you're asking your unconscious to give you something that you can implement. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah., And, then, when, you're, done, with, the movie, you write yourself a note. I'm done with this character. Blah blah blah. And sign out.

There's, your, routine., There's, your, thing that you do. Yeah. That's, pretty, rad.

That, is, pretty, cool. We'll, be, right, back. And, now, back, to, the, show. Are, you, good, at, remembering, lines? I'm getting worse.

Yeah. So, bad. It's, coming, for, all, of, us. Really? I'm, getting, so, bad, that, if, I, read, a script and the person talks a lot, I'm like, I don't know if I can do this.

So,, if, somebody, brought, you, a, onewoman show on Broadway hell, no., Hell, no.

Our, buddy, John, Krosinski, just, did, one., I He knocked me out. My god, was that awesome.

Just, [ __ ], unreal., It, looks, like, that. And Billy Critup's done it a bunch of times and

yeah,, they're, both, men., See,, women, multi Laura Lenny's done it a few times. She's she's nailed it. You can do it.

I, don't, know., It's, weird, to, me., I, don't like the idea of doing a play. It's, a, lot, of, work., Let's, be, honest. It's a lot of work, right, Sean? I mean

I, know, Sean, just, came, off, basically, two and a half years of doing this play.

So, tiring, to, me. It's, I, did, it, over, 200, times., You, got, a Tony out of it. Got a Tony. I, mean,, at least, you, got, the, tone.

I, mean,, I, I, know, what, you, mean,, Kirsten. It it it it is, you know, finan you don't do it for the financial because theater doesn't pay, but you do it because of a thing inside as an actor that you just wouldn't otherwise get the opportunity maybe or it you get that that character that you've always wanted to play out of you. So, you're like great, I did that and now it's that's done and now I can go do maybe another character.

Do, you, ever, think, about, the, audience judging you though? like, "Oh, that person's just coming to see the girl from, Spider-Man.", You, know what, I, mean? Like, I feel a little weird.

The, girl, from, Spider-Man., That's, the name of the play. I, just, I, just, I, don't, know., It, just Maybe when I'm older I'll like it. Listen, one of the only live things I did was center it live once and I had the best time of my life.

But, I, grew, up, watching, that, show., Like literally one of the best times of my life.

How, How, was, that, experience? I, I, had, one, of the, best., just, said, "No,, no,, but, I, mean, like, specifically like what was the what was Yeah.

Well,, I, grew, up, watching, the, show, as, do my kids now. Uh they'll call out people and be like, you know, will you put on the Bill Hater puppet sketch for me? You know like

I, show, them, Chris, Farley, with, the Colombian coffee, you know, the decaf Colombian coffee freaking I got to see that.

It's, one, of, the, funniest, sketches, ever. We used to call our youngest, well, he's ba baby Chris Farley, but um I don't know where I'm going with this.

Uh, you, were, talking, about, the, specifics of what you loved about the uh the week on SNL.

So, I, was, when, I, was, younger,, I, I, played Dana Carvey's grandchild when he was George Bush on the couch like eating popcorn as an extra and I was

No, way., Victoria, uh, Victoria, Jackson. Yeah,, thank, you., in, one, of, her, spoof commercials, too. It's like such a legacy thing for my family.

Yeah,, it, felt, Yeah. Did, they, show, that, clip, when, you, hosted? Yeah,, they, did.

No, way., Oh,, that's, cool. Yeah., And, it's, in, the, when, you, walk, like in the main hallway when you get there.

Little, me, is, in, with, Dana, Carvey, on, the couch. It It, was, one, of, the, Yeah,, it, it, was, so, I loved it so much. I loved it. So, yes. What do you do when you're when you're not working on films and stuff and moming, you know? Do you What do you want? What do you love to do? What do you fill your time with? You're just like nothing, shopping, walking around Tuca Lake.

I, honestly, the, other, day, I, dropped, them off. I, went, to, Pilates., I, did, do, that.

And, then, I, just, watch, TV., I, want, to, lay in bed and, watch, TV. That's, all, I don't want to make I don't want to make a generalization here. um a a sexist but you're going to

but, I'm, going, to, now, here, this, would, be a good bailout. Somebody told me the other day that they noticed that I'll just talk about my own house. Amanda watches all of her TV in bed.

I, watch, all, of, my, TV uh, uh, on, the, couch. Yeah., And I, find, that, that, is, not, uncommon.

But, I, I, said, that, pretty, pretty, well, didn't I? You were very You did a really good job. Why do you think why do you think that is an uncommon thing

as, as, it, relates, to, gender?, You, mean Okay., Sean, said, it. No,, I, didn't, know., Or, or, is, it, or, just or just people or just like pe some people like to watch TV?

I've, tried, to, watch, TV, in, bed, and, I, get I get feel like I'm getting like bed sores like it's too I need to be able to shift around a lot.

I, always, think, the, bed, is, for, sleeping and so that if I start watching something in bed then it's going to mess with my sleep.

Yeah., He, can't, sleep, unless, he, the, TV's on. He cannot fall asleep unless the TV's on.

Scotty, can. Yeah, we're, gonna, be, right, with, you., Hold, on. Yeah. Yeah. Um,

do, you, do, you, fall, asleep, with, a, TV?, Do you fall asleep with the TV on, Kirsten?

No. No. You, got, a, TV, in, the, in, the, bedroom, though. Hell, yeah. Yeah., Hell, yeah., Some, Some, people, don't. We got one.

Does, Jesse, watch, it? Yeah. To, go, to, sleep? No., Not, to, go, to, sleep,, just, to, enjoy.

But, what, about, Will, you?, Cuz, uh, Amanda and I often fall asleep where she's watching her iPad and then I'm watching the TV, but she's got to have the [ __ ] headphones on so that she can so that she can hear her iPad and not hear what I'm listening to on the TV. But it really only lasts about 10 minutes now.

But, that's, on, the, couch., She's, down, in your room with you and she's on No,, no., This, This, is, when, I, when, I eventually go upstairs and I get in bed.

And, you, turn, the, TV, on, when, you're, in bed? Yeah., She's, got, the, iPad, already, going. I got to bring her her headphones. She puts those on and then I turn on the TV and uh and let it rock me out. Do you guys should try something called talking to each other?

Well,, what, are, you relating?, Jason,, can, I, let, me, come, over and help your marriage?

Let, me, just, give, me, 10, minutes, to, help your marriage. Kirsten,, is, is, there, somebody, that you've dreamed of working with that you haven't with? Cuz it seems like you've worked with all the great like great great people.

I, mean,, the, one, is, Paul, Thomas, Anderson. I feel like that's where, that, new, movie, is, going, to, be.

That, looks, sick., Um,, but, he, did recommend me for Melancholia, so that was

Oh,, we, did., That's, cool. Well,, Jesse, could, put, in, a, good, word, for you., He's, worked, with, them, at least once.

I, mean,, I, have, his, phone, number., He randomly emails me sometimes, so I have those saved.

Just, start, sending, him, just, random, head shot of you from over the years. He, did., He, He, called, me, once, and, he, was like, "I need to talk to you about something." And I was like, "Oh my god like this could happen." And then we played phone tag forever. Yeah.

And, then, we, finally, got, in, touch, and, he was like ask me about what it was like working with this other actor.

Yeah., Cuz, he's, thinking, about, giving them a job. I, was, like,, you, know, how, mean, that, was of you?

Yeah. That, was, not, cool, to, do, that. I, can't, imagine, the, pressure., He, must feel so much pressure. Like every actor that he ever talks to are they're just hitting on this moment. Yeah. Yeah. What can I do to make a good impression on him?

Yeah. Mhm. I, know., Well,, it'll, come., Listen,, it'll happen, too. You can manifest anything. I mean, of course, it's going to happen.

Is, that, right,, Will?, What, does, the universe say about? By, the, way,, it's, true.

You, don't, need, to, raise, your, eyebrows up. You're talking about manifesting.

You, want, to, [ __ ], fight, me, on, this? Give, me, your, pitch, on, manifestation.

Put, it, out, there. Put, it, out., You're, saying, ask, the universe that's going to happen.

Yeah., You, know what, I, always, say?, Why not me? Why, not, me? Well,, just, just, let, them,, you, know,

let, them. And we'll be right back. Yeah., We've, been, doing, this, lately, where we try to go through a commercial and we'll be right back. Um

wait,, how, did, you, did, you, me, how, did, you and Jesse meet? We, met, on, Fargo, season, 2.

Oh, yep., And, um,, we, I, It's, so, funny., I remember seeing him at the airport, like us meeting at LAX for the first time so clearly. Um, I we just were

He, doesn't, remember, it, that, way., You, say that it's almost like he doesn't remember it.

No,, no., I, just, like, you, don't, often remember meeting the first meeting with someone. You could picture it in your brain really clearly.

Yeah., Well,, but, can, you, say, why, it's, it it it you remember it so clearly?

I, don't, know, why., It's, like, one, of, those things that like Well, I remember that moment even though I didn't know this was my future husband, you know.

When, did, the, flirt, start?, Can, you, tell us? Uh the flirt like I think we were so like soulmate imshed kind of in our characters too like

but, also, the, way, we, worked, and, I, just felt like I didn't want to not be near him is what I thought.

I, love, that. Yeah., Even, at, lunchtime, like, I'd, be, like what are you doing for lunch? You know

whatever., Let's, make, a, sandwich, at crafty cuz whatever. Yeah. Who, asked, who, first, whether, they, were involved in a relationship?

We, both, kind, of, knew., Oh,, we, we, were both in relationships. Um. Right., So, then, it, was, respectful, all, the way through.

Yeah., Totally, respectful. And then we just kept in touch and then both were out of our relationships. We didn't get together till a year after.

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. South, by, Southwest, was, our, first hangout. Uhhuh., Copy, that.

Hot, Austin, summer, nights. Back, to, one. You, know, still, rolling. We, We, would, We'd, be, remiss, if, we, didn't talk a little bit about Roofman. So JB you saw this movie. It's amazing. Roofman.

I, saw, this, movie., I, give, it, a, huge, huge thumbs up. Huge thumbs up. Directed, by, the, great, Derek, San, France, right?

And, uh, co-starring, uh, Channing, Tatum. Yeah., Um,, it's, a, it's, a, it's, a, based, on a true story about a dude who lives inside, of, Toys, R Us, for, a, couple, months.

Yes,, he, does., He, he, basically, robbed like 45 McDonald's through the roof. That's why they call him the roof man. Yeah. This is all true.

Really? Yeah., And, um, he, hid, out, in, a, m, in, a, Toys R Us, for, six, months.

Yeah. Yeah., It's, like, it's, and, it's,, you, know, like you, know, me,, I'm, a, dark, idiot, and, so, I keep waiting for this film to get like kind of scary and bleak and dark and crime and but it's so this this film has such a great spirit and warmth about it even though it's centralized around a character that's, you know, breaking the law left and right. And it's not like an overtly sort of Robin Hood thing where they kind of earn it all, but it kind of is. But there's just such great like

there's, like, a, tone, throughout, it, that that Derek C and France just like pulls through it that is just like such a highwire act that's so cool. And Kirsten, you and Channing do such a great job of of maintaining that too. It's like it's like I don't know. I think it's just one of the hardest things in the world to um keep something winning and watchable all the way through.

Yeah., Not, be, like, sappy, or, corny, or, feel manipulative. Yeah., never, gets, earnest,, although, it's it's a very warm movie. Um, it's I don't know. It's very hard to describe, but I highly recommend it. It's really

Yeah., And, and, Kirsten,, I, love, that., I can't wait to see it. Do you find yourself as long as you've worked kind of integrating yourself towards whether you get credit for it or not, a producerial kind of role when you choose your acting gigs. Meaning, um, I like this part. I want to meet with the director or whatever it is, but I have these things to say about how to improve my role in it so that it works for me or whatever the thing is.

I, mean,, I, did, that, on, a, TV, show, but, I, feel, like, it's, both, those, movies that I did, Roofman and this and the plane movie were so developed that it's not really, you know

Yeah., You're, just, like,, great., Yeah. Yeah., I, I, mean,, I, would, have, done anything with Derek

right?, So,, this, isn't, a, part, personally that I would naturally maybe gravitate towards, but I

but, I, wanted, to, again, work, with, him, for the experience. Like I just Yeah, that's

Was, it, everything, you, hoped, it, would, be working with him? Yes., Yes., Yes.

How, about, that? Yeah. That's, so, cool, when, that, happens. I, want, to, work, with, him, again.

Yeah., Here., He's, a, great, guy., I've, never met him. And Channing is just like the greatest.

I, love, him. Right., He's, such, a, good, dude. Yes., He's, the, real, one, of, the, real, ones. Yeah. So I mean honestly and and and and obviously Derek is such a great filmmaker but and his movies are kind of little movies and when I say that I don't mean in terms of just in terms of like the compared to some of these huge movies that get made these days that are all like based on IP and whatever he he has these really great little storydriven movies that he makes and with great characters. Do you and you've done all of as we mentioned before you've got a great stance in both. Yeah.

Yeah., Now,, when, you, look, to, do, stuff,, so as you sit here and and and you're at home and Jesse's off working and you're thinking, okay, I'm going to do something my next thing. Do you have a plan? Do you go like, I want to kind of hit this note next, or do you just kind of wait?

I, kind, of, wait,, but, also, I'd, like, to, do something fun. Like, I just want to have fun and I

Yeah,, I, want, to, do, like, a, comedy, or, do something big and fun. And, what, And, why, And, you, know, that, like that's the thing we talk about in the show sometimes, like where are those movies? Why do they not make those big fun studio ensemble comedies anymore?

I, think, they, will, soon., I, think, they have to. Yeah, because the world around us is too dark.

Yeah,, it, sure, is. I, think, people, just, have, to, I, I, think people are going to want to crave or going to start craving that.

I, don't, know, when,, but, I, think I, know, I, want, to, direct, a, comedy, next. Yeah,

I, think, it, I, think, it, you, know, sometimes who was I talking about this like this idea that when we're in times that are dark people don't have as much of a um appetite for these big sort of actiony fun pathy movies because they

because, it's, not, where, they're, at. And, and, uh, it's, all, often, a, reflection of like if everything sort of feels calm in in in our culture then we can just kind of go and do these big goofy things. And when it's not calm it's hard for people to let go. It's weird because you'd think that they'd want to have the escapism, but they they actually don't.

Yeah., Like, scary, movies, are, actually doing really well. There you go. Like Weapons. Oh my god, that movie is good.

You, love, that., Weapons. I, do, love, that, weapons. I, know. Have, you, seen, Have, you, seen, it,, Kirsten? Weapons.

I, haven't, seen, it, yet., No. Do, you, Do, you, watch, movies? Go, to, Jason's, house., He's, showing, it about every two hours.

Do, you, watch, movies, though, at, home, or like movies by, yourself, or, with, your, kids, or whatever? I like going to the movie theater. I Yeah. And I'll take them to the movie theater. I I Yeah. I I'd rather do I if I watch a movie at home I fall asleep, right?

Yeah., Have, they, Have, they, Have, your, kids seen all the classics like ET, Star Wars, all those things? Too young.

You, know,, they're, four, and, seven., Yeah. It's not like But you know what? My little

seven, when, Star, Wars, came, out. Hey, Sean,, she, hasn't, shown, them, Star Wars. Don't you Atlantic.

[ __ ] Okay,, go, ahead., Sorry. No, I My four-year-old likes Venom. The first Venom, which I probably shouldn't have shown him.

That's, so, weird., That's, so, weird., So does my little guy at home. Oh, my, god.

My, 5-year-old, likes, Venom,, too. Really? I, mean,, we, probably, not, good, parents, for showing them, but whatever.

I, saw, The, Exorcist, when, I, was, like, eight or nine. Like I, thought, that, young,, too.

I, should, not, be, seeing, that, movie. Also,, my, child, was, begging, me,, my four-year-old, to watch Jaws. I was like, "Okay, Jesse and I showed him the first 10 minutes and tried to explain that the girl is being pulled around on a rope."

Yeah. Uh,, and, now, he, won't, go, eaten, alive, in the shark. No, he went. He went.

He, did., He, still, went., Yeah., Nowhere near Santa Mon. Well,, listen,, Kirsten, way, too, much, of your time.

This, is, We're, You're, such, a, delight. I, mean,, I, could, talk, to, you, guys, for, a while. I'm not No pressure vibes on this.

I'm, coming, over., I'm, coming, over. Come, over., Come, have, coffee, with, me.

You, know,, sometimes, those, interviews, they feel like they were that they're like 10 minutes long. You just

very, easy, breezy. I, know., Jason, and, I, are, coming, to, We're going to, stop, by, the, house, and, we'll drop off some In-N-Out for you uh on our way.

It's, going to, be, hot, as, [ __ ], too. You, know, how, to, make, a, girl, happy.

Yeah. Uh, All, right., So,, so, uh, Roof, Man, is, out October 10th. We're really excited about it.

October, 10th. Also, with, the, as, you, called, it,, the airplane movie. I forget what it's called. Uh

you're, going, to, come, back, for, that., I want you back. Entertainment, system, is, down., See, that

so, many, amazing, things., You've, done, so many great roles. You continue to do it. You're such a delight. So happy to have you here. Yeah. What an incredible person and a great person. Great wife and a life. You're just doing it all.

Thanks, guys., Thanks, KD. Thank, you, for, joining, us, Katie., Thank you for such a pleasure to meet you. Bye guys. Bye. Bye.

I, mean, that, was, real, special., real listener. You didn't see the the bonus uh moment there with the uh with the two young boys and she finally opened up the door and let them in. Um and they came in and said hi and Will did his his Lego Batman voice and they it blew their minds. It was fun. Really cute. Really fun. I love that. So cute.

Yeah., So, cute., So, so, cute. What, a, nice, lady. You, guys, are, cute., You, guys, are, cute. You got a couple cutie pies out there.

Great, career., She's, not, even, halfway done. I, know. Oh, my, god., She's, just, getting, warmed, up.

Yep. She, She's, just, getting, warmed, up., She, is so uh I'm so excited for Roof Man. JB you've already seen it, but I can't wait to see it. It's going to be so good.

Yeah,, I, want, to, see, it. And, then, the, entertainment, system. I, know., I, know.

Entertainment, system, is, down, because what what would we do? She's, always, good., She's, one, of, those people. Always good.

Everything, she, does. Sean,, you, get, that, all, the, time. Yeah. I, mean,, and, and, JB.

Hey,, man., you, know., Yeah., No,, no,, no, no. 50, 50/50. 50/50., Yeah., Sometimes, you're, on, and sometimes you're on standby.

Oh,, that, was, so, fast., Bye. Smart. Smart less. Smartless is 100% organic and artisally handcrafted by Michael Grant Terry, Rob Armjarf, and Bennett Barbco.

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What is discussed in "Kirsten Dunst | SmartLess"?

In order: 0:00 Batman, Cake Makers of America, Santa Claus, Sean Hayes; 5:00 The Entertainment System is Down, Academy Award, Hollywood, Hollywood Bowl; 10:00 The Entertainment System is Down, Candy Crush, Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman, Interview with the Vampire; 15:00 Brand Strategy in the Age of AI, Interview with the Vampire, Little Women, New Jersey (Jersey); 20:00 Bring It On, Cheerleading, Homeschooling, Jumanji; 25:00 Sweden, Budapest, Cheerleading, Lars von Trier; 30:00 Bob's Big Boy, Apple Pan, Budapest, Chili John's; 35:00 Attorney General, Spider-Man; 40:00 Dana Carvey, Melancholia, Paul Thomas Anderson, Tuca Lake; 45:00 Channing Tatum, Fargo (season 2), McDonald, Roof Man; 50:00 Roof Man, Batman, Lego Batman, Star Wars; 55:00 Michael Grant Terry, SmartLess, SmartLess, SmartLess.

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