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Michelle Pfeiffer | SmartLess

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Michelle Pfeiffer | SmartLess", an episode of SmartLess published September 29, 2025 (56 min, about 10,898 words). It mentions 65 people, works and ideas, including Montana, television, Scarface, Chopped, David Power Bar.

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 5:00: Chopped, David Power Bar
  2. – 10:00: Academy Award, Bojack Horseman, Catwoman, Hyundai
  3. – 15:00: Fantasy Island, Bond Supermarket, Orange County, television
  4. – 20:00: Court Reporting, Jeff Bridges, Montana, Scarface
  5. – 25:00: Apple TV, Apple TV+
  6. – 30:00: David Power Bar
  7. – 35:00: television, Academy Award
  8. – 40:00: Montana, Dallas Buyers Club, Fullerton, House of Cards
  9. – 45:00: John Travolta, Marggo's Got Money Troubles, Married to the Mob, Olivia Newton-John
  10. – 50:00: Scarface, Chopped, television
  11. – 56:17: SmartLess

Notable quotes from "Michelle Pfeiffer | SmartLess"

  • Was, she, Was, she, normal, or, was, she chopped? Did she look chopped?
    about Chopped · at
  • Pack. Is that another word? Because pouches wanting free [ __ ] I like this David Power Bar, guys.
    about David Power Bar · at
  • By, the, way,, Franny, is, eating, up, Bo, Oh, no. Is it? No, it's Maple. She's eating up Bojack Horseman.
    about Bojack Horseman · at
  • Oh,, I'm, good., Getting, ready, to, go, back to Montana for, what?, for, some for, some, more, Madison.
    about Montana · at
  • Of the things I loved when I look up it says and I wanted to talk ask you about this. The first your first television credit ever was Fantasy Island. Is that true?
    about television · at
  • In, Orange, County,, not, that, far away from LA. anyway, so I was working at Bond Supermarket.
    about Orange County · at
  • That's a big one. and I guess probably well and then you've got all the people quoting Scarface, which is Scarface. I mean but, mostly, they're, quoting, Tony, Montana, not really me. And Fabulous Baker Boys. Of course.
    about Scarface · at
  • For, the, first, time, really, on, on, Marggo's Got Money Troubles. And I did it was so, fun., And, I, was, very, I', I've, never been really eager to work with him because.
    about Marggo's Got Money Troubles · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

Books & papers

  • Scarface — Book · 3 mentions · first at
  • Fantasy Island — Book · 2 mentions · first at
    Says and I wanted to talk ask you about this. The first your first television credit ever was Fantasy Island. Is that true?
  • Marggo's Got Money Troubles — Book · 2 mentions · first at
  • Bojack Horseman — Book · 1 mention · first at
  • True Detective — Book · 1 mention · first at
    Something really special it, was, Woody, and, Matthew, McConna, with True Detective I remember was the big like oh wow these guys are chang yeah, I, think, I, think, McConna…
  • Dallas Buyers Club — Book · 1 mention · first at
    Yeah, I, think, I, think, McConna, had, just won the Oscar like five months earlier for Dallas Buyers Club maybe and that was like what is going on? I really feel like that was…
  • House of Cards — Book · 1 mention · first at
    On? I really feel like that was and before that obviously Fincher doing House of Cards on Netflix too like just launching streaming as a place where filmmakers go. So yeah, it is.
  • Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles — Book · 1 mention · first at
    You, don't, think, it, was, me, doing, the sitcom The Millers after I did Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?
  • The Millers — Book · 1 mention · first at
    You, don't, think, it, was, me, doing, the sitcom The Millers after I did Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?
  • Married to the Mob — Book · 1 mention · first at
    Experience, would, be, I, think, a, tossup, of Married to the Mob and honestly Marggo's Got Money Troubles.
  • Batman Returns — Book · 1 mention
  • Dangerous Liaisons — Book · 1 mention
  • Grease 2 — Book · 1 mention
  • The Fabulous Baker Boys — Book · 1 mention

Companies & orgs

  • McDonald — Company · 1 mention · first at
    We, McDonald's., We, McDonald's.
  • Hyundai — Company · 1 mention · first at
  • Laura Piana — Company · 1 mention · first at
    Laura, Piana,, Rolex, and, Jazz., Okay, guys, wait., Do, you, want, a, real, quick, joke?, A real quick joke. Ready?
  • Bond Supermarket — Company · 1 mention · first at
    In, Orange, County,, not, that, far away from LA. anyway, so I was working at Bond Supermarket.
  • Apple TV — Company · 1 mention · first at
    You've got three, you've got the Madison, you've got your show on your Apple TV that you got a movie coming out as well, right, for Amazon. you're busy.
  • Bloomingdale's — Company · 1 mention
  • Häagen-Dazs — Company · 1 mention
  • Rolex — Company · 1 mention
  • SmartLess (production team) — Company · 1 mention
  • Universal Studios — Company · 1 mention
  • Warner Bros. — Company · 1 mention

Products & tech

  • David Power Bar — Product · 2 mentions · first at
  • Apple TV+ — Product · 1 mention · first at
    You've got three, you've got the Madison, you've got your show on your Apple TV that you got a movie coming out as well, right, for Amazon. you're busy.
  • SmartLess — Product · 1 mention · first at
    Smartless is 100% organic and artisally handcrafted by Bennett Barbco, Michael Grant, Terry, and Rob Armjarf.
  • Dave (fragrance) — Product · 1 mention
  • Nicorette Gum — Product · 1 mention
  • QWERTY keyboard — Product · 1 mention
  • Zyn — Product · 1 mention

Concepts & topics

  • television — Concept · 4 mentions · first at
  • Chopped — Concept · 2 mentions · first at
  • Academy Award — Concept · 2 mentions · first at
    With everybody from Pacino Dairo Nicholson she's been nominated for three Academy Awards you know she's been a queen a catwoman a dangerous leaison yes so fast you get that how did you get connected to the universe reveal yourself.
  • Catwoman — Concept · 1 mention · first at
    Nicholson she's been nominated for three Academy Awards you know she's been a queen a catwoman a dangerous leaison yes so fast you get that how did you get connected to the universe reveal yourself.
  • Court Reporting — Concept · 1 mention · first at
    I, had, I, had, started, a, trade, school., I was doing court reporting.
  • Cheugy — Concept · 1 mention
  • Film — Concept · 1 mention
  • Jazz — Concept · 1 mention
  • Narcolepsy — Concept · 1 mention
  • Stenographer — Concept · 1 mention

Places & events

  • Montana — Place · 4 mentions · first at
  • Orange County — Place · 2 mentions · first at
  • Fullerton — Place · 1 mention · first at
    She, is, a, real, housewife, of Fullerton wannabe.
  • Los Angeles — Place · 1 mention · first at
    Any, anywh, who, So,, it, was, and, also Gosh, how often do you get to work in Los Angeles and stay home?
  • Texas — Place · 1 mention

Sponsors

Full transcript with timestamps

Oh, how's everybody today doing today? I'm, so, good., Sean,, how, are, you? Are, we, actually, Are, we, actually, doing this or are we talking Are we having a business meeting about uh No, I think

when, we're, doing, cold, opens. I, think, we're, rolling., We're, We're literally rolling. The listeners are listening.

Okay,, cuz, we're, not, we're, not, doing another show for another couple weeks. So, I'm just Anyway, welcome to Smart List.

Smart., Here, it, comes., Smart less. Smart less. Smart less. Oh, wait. What's sus mean? Any uh any any any people in your suspect?

Right., That's, one, of, that's, one, of, the new ones that kids are saying, right? Or um

not, new., God,, you're, embarrassing yourself. RZ., RZ, is, not, new,, right?, That's, a couple years old.

Really,, really, bad., Yeah. Is, Flexi, a, new, one,, you, guys? Flexi, could, be, good., What?, Like,, what's flexi mean? Like flexible?

Yeah., And, then, what, did, I, hear, was, um Oh, zesty is gay. Is that right? Is that

Sure., I, never, heard, that. Something, is, zesty., Will, have, you, heard, the, boys, saying, that?

Sorry, guys., I've, got, to, keep, up., I, We, have, to record soon. We're going to start the podcast and I just want to make sure I've got my

Watching, you, and, hearing, you, get, old, in front of me is just astounding. You, should, have, heard, the, sounds, I, made trying to get out of the bed this morning.

Super, old. Like you, you, got, fart, just, like, [ __ ], it, back. Boy,, you're, going, to, wish, I, hadn't, said that with our guest. Hey. Um

no., Is, it, respectable?, Respectable. Very, respectable., Very She's very classy. God damn it. I'm sorry. Surprise guest.

No,, it's, good., And, JB,, I, would, say, that you started me off on the whole like every time you would get out of your chair. By the way, not even when you were old. When you were like 33, you'd go,

you, got, to, make, a, sound, to, lock, in, the core. I, know., And, somehow, I, got, into, that., You go,

"Yeah,, you, do." Well,, but, you, know, what, is,, right?, Um, choo is a word the kids use to describe someone or something that's outdated or trying too hard to be trendy or lacking originality.

Well,, you're, reading., You, looked, that up. I just looked it up while you were talking. I was like, you look it up it's gone.

What, was, the, prompt?, Hey,, what, are, the kids saying? Absolutely. Really? Absolutely., That's, what, the, prompt, was,

Sean. Um,, wait,, what, about, how, Oh,, by, the, way, the other night at the This is What's today? What's today? Wednesday.

Tuesday., No,, today's, Tuesday. Sunday,, the, center, seat, in, the, front, row of the play.

The, girl,, this, girl, just, I, could, tell she was just a single ticket. She, just, kept, her, head, was, not

she, was, a, narcoleptic., Hard, to, get, hard to get a date. I, don't, know., Yeah., No,

she, kept, nodding, off., And, so, at, the boughs, I pointed right to her and I just and I mowed. They go, "You got to go night. You got to go nigh night."

Oh, sh, Sean. I did. I pointed right to her. The whole cast. We were laughing on stage and I'm like, "You got to go nigh nigh. Are you Are you tie tie?"

Oh., And, was, she, embarrassed, or, did, she give you the looking, at, me, clap?, She, just, kept looking at me clapping.

Clapping. And, she, like, she, didn't, realize, I, was I'm looking right at her talking, but she didn't realize it.

Yeah., Well,, she, probably, has, an, issue, uh picking up on social cues and clearly

proper, rest. And, definitely, proper, rest., Who?, It's like a very expensive nap.

Yeah., Yeah., Um,, what, did, you, maybe, look at your performance? How, was, How, did, she

I, thought, about, the, whole, time. Was, she, Was, she, normal, or, was, she chopped? Did she look chopped?

What's, chopped, mean? Would, you, just, look, up? You, guys, don't, Oh,, you, guys, don't, eat chop.

Oh,, god., What's, this?, Is, a, real, one., You kind of kind of little busted. A little busted up. Little

You're, not, even, reading, that. No. So,, that, did, that, come, from, Archie, or Abel? Listen, I'm Look, no, you're not turned on.

Yeah. So,, I'm, in, with, the Who, gave, you, that?, Archie, or, Abel? Dude,, all, of, our, friends,, my, friends, and Archie's friends and we're all cuz I hang cuz we're all young dudes.

Yeah. So,, we're, kind, of, in, the, same, friend group. And, do, you, guys, do, you, guys, say,, "Hey, this is a great this is a great new flavor of gum. You should try it."

Or, you, should, hear, it, is, what, I, usually say. Spit, it, out, of, your, mouth.

I, know., I, always, forget, that, I've, got, it going on. I, know., Why, do, you, But, you, always, chew gum.

Wait,, is, that, is, that, the, nicarette, gum? Is that what is on it? Well,, truth, be, told,, I've, got, some, Zin. I've got I've got the little nicotine pack. Is that another word? Because pouches wanting free [ __ ] I like this David Power Bar, guys.

The, folks, at, David, um, let, me, give, you I'm going to give you my address uh a little later in the side chat. the folks at David Sean. Anything any kind of uh hot fudge or ice cream that you need to

Hog, and, I, love, Hogen. Do, you? I, do., I, can't, I, can't, eat, too, much. We, like, McDonald's., We, like, McDonald's.

Yes,, we, like, McDonald's, too, a, lot., We like them a lot. And, um, obviously, Hyundai, Jamie.

Do, you, want, to, hear, one, joke? Laura, Piana,, Rolex, and, Jazz., Okay, guys,

wait., Do, you, want, a, real, quick, joke?, A real quick joke. Ready? So, gross.

Go, ahead., Guys,, everybody, uh,, a, dwarf, psychic, just, escaped, prison. Come, on., Really?

Yeah., There's, a, small, medium, at, large. There's, a, small, medium, at, large., I, think you can work on your reading of that.

Okay., I, heard, I, heard, a, really, quick one. This guy's going down the road.

There, he, is. Okay., And, he, gets, to, a, tea, in, the, road and he doesn't know which way to go. He's kind of lost and he goes to the right, and, all, of a, sudden, his, car, breaks down. He goes in front. He lifts up the hood. He's trying to figure out what's wrong. And he hears it's it's the alternator. And he looks up. There's a horse there.

He, goes,, "What, the, hell?", Talking., So, he goes down, looks at the car again. He can't figure it out. And he hears, "It's the alternator." Looks back at the horse and he's like, "What the?" So he go he tries the alternator, tightens a few screws, starts right up and he go. So he's like, "Oh man." So he drives to the nearest bar. He gets in the bar and he says the barman he says, "Give me to a large brandy." And he just downs it. He says, "Give me another large brandy." Downs. And the And the barman goes, "Ho ho, ho. Are you okay, man?" He goes "Yeah." He goes, "I was just driving here. I was lost. I hit a tea in the road. I went to fix my car and this horse, this talking horse, you know, I I decided to go right and I came upon this horse and he said it was the alternator." And he goes, "Oh man, good thing you didn't go left." He goes "Why?" He goes, "Cuz there's a horse over there that doesn't know anything

about cars. Come, on. Come, on., Where, are, we, going?" I, know. Are, we, going, into, [ __ ], choke, hell?

You, didn't, like, that? Cuz, I'm, already, there. You, didn't, like, that?, There's, a, horse over there that doesn't know anything about

Where's, the, punch, line? Yeah, that's, it. That's, [ __ ], terrible., We're, going, to leave that in. We're not going to cut it because everyone needs to know that sometimes Will clanks it.

It, happens, rarely. You, didn't, like, it, that, one,, huh?, I, love it. I think it's cute.

Stupid. All right., So,, our, guest, our, guest, uh couple, of, couple, of, pieces, of, string walk into a bar and they and they they sit down on the stools and the and the one piece of string says the bartender says uh uh give us a couple of beers. The bartender says we don't [ __ ] serve string in here.

Mhm. And, the, two, pieces, of, string, look, at each other, come on, let's get out of here. So, they walk outside and one piece of string says the other piece of string, quick, tie yourself around me. He goes, what are you doing? Just tie yourself around me. Come on. Ties himself around. They they hop back in there. They jump up on one stool and says, "Give us a couple of beers." He go, "Hey, aren't you those two pieces of string I just kicked out of here?" Guy says, "Afraid not."

Okay. So,, that's, that's, up, there, with, your [ __ ] horse joke, but it's slightly better. It's a little

Good, thing, you, didn't, go, left., There's, a horse over there that doesn't know anything about cars.

Oh,, Sean's, laughing., God, Sean's, just, having, fun., Let's, see, if, our surprise guest. Imagine a horse. Imagine like Okay. You know, and it Okay, so

by, the, way,, Franny, is, eating, up, Bo, Oh, no. Is it? No, it's Maple. She's eating up Bojack Horseman.

But, apparently,, this, is, a, great, show. This is uh this is an animated show on the Netflix.

Oh, my, god. Is, it, just, getting, going? I, tell, you,, I, tell, you, who's, been, going for a long time is our guest.

Oh., Oh,, nice., She's, worked, with everybody from uh from we're talking this is primo A-list iconic she's going to hate me for saying this but it's true uh uh actor she has been she's worked with everybody from Pacino Dairo Nicholson she's been nominated for three Academy Awards you know she's been a queen a catwoman a dangerous leaison yes so fast you get that how did you get connected to the universe reveal yourself.

Good, morning., Oh,, she's, asleep. So, mad. Hey, she's, asleep. Good, morning., What, a, pleasure.

Good, morning., You, got, it, so, fast. Not, that, many, incredible I, said, icon

icons, in, the, world., Male, or, female, you're right there at the top. Hi,, Michelle.

Hey., Hi., How, are, you? I'm, great., How, are, you? Oh,, I'm, good., Getting, ready, to, go, back to Montana

for, what?, for, some for, some, more, Madison. More, Madison. Madison. So, Michelle,, uh, uh, I, I, wanted, to, start by saying first of all, I had such a great time. I did a couple days with you on the Madison, which was super fun.

He, came, home, and, raved, about, you, Michelle. I did. It was, you know, I I, gushed

a, fun., Wow., Uh, it, was, it, was, it, was Yeah. Are we talking about Are we talking about Will as a scene partner? Will he was very director amazing scene? No. No. Love, love, love the director. Love the show. Love the actors.

It, was, just, the, scene,, our, scenes, were kind of grueling and we did a lot of takes.

We, did, a, lot, of, takes., Uh, lot, of, angles. A, lot, of, angles., And, we, had, it, was, heavy d. It was just the two of us for about two days and we just talking at each other for two days.

Was, it, only, two?, like, a, contentious maybe I was cursing at him and yeah, throwing, the, fbomb, around, and

I, appreciate, you, not, actually, using, the word on this episode. Um, so, Michelle, I, went, all, the, way, back so in anticipation of having you on the show which this has been a long time coming and actually we were going to have you a long time ago and then uh schedule and things didn't you know prevented us from having you a long time ago. Um, and I've wanted to get into one of the things I loved when I look up it says and I wanted to talk ask you about this. The first your first television credit ever was Fantasy Island. Is that true?

Oh,, no, way. That's, cool., What, a I, had, I, had, one, line. No, way. Uh,, I, had, one, line, on, Fantasy, Island. Um, and I remember the line.

What, is, it?, And, the, line, and, the, the episode was the island of lost women.

Sure., Okay. Um, I, was, one, of, the, lost, women, and, we were all running around in toas.

Can, I, guess, the, line? Pastel. Yes. Here, I, am. No., And, it, was, the, closer., They, went, to credits after that.

That, was, the, only, episode, that, Sean skipped. Yeah. I, was, like, boobs., I'm, out., It, was, it, was um it was who is he Naomi?

Wow. Who, is, he?, Naomi., And, were, you, referring to uh Mr. Ror? It, was, who, was, it?, Um

Herb, Villas. I, can't, remember, who, was., And, uh, yeah. And and there were no men. I mean the premise is there were no men on the island. And so we were all we were all lusting over this one

man. Who?, Oh,, but, you, don't, remember, who, that that and that was a guest guest star.

I, don't, you, could, Well,, did, you, do, your homework? Did you look No,, I, did., Sorry., Did, it, say, who, your

It's, not, on, Wiki. I, mean,, it, did, say, it. Wait,, now, Michelle,, didn't, they, do, a, lot of that? Wasn't that done like on a back lot uh at one of the studios?

It, was Universal back. I'm, guessing, it, was, Universal,, but, it could have been Warner Brothers.

You, didn't, You, didn't, You, don't, like, You didn't fly to Hawaii or something right?

No., Yeah., Right., No,, they, flew, me, to Hawaii. No. Yeah., No. No., But, I, do, remember, um, how, exciting, it was. Showed up for work and there was you know honey wagon all the rooms.

Were, you, in, you, were, you, were, at, a, honey wagon for sure with one line for, sure.

Can, you, can, you, just, tell, Tracy, real quick?, Sean's, going, to explain, to, his sister.

Yeah., Honey, Wagon, is, is is, it's, a trailer where you where you as an actor you hang out before while they're working on but it's a full trailer

and, it's, divided, up, into, small, rooms very, small, rooms, and, they, put, you, in there like a ve um it's just enough room to turn you can you can go to the restroom brush your teeth and change your shoes all uh sitting on one

and, what, more, does, one, need it's very efficient but, I, was, very, excited, because, I, looked up and there was my name and a star

like, ah, Uh, that's, they, knew, like, you, made, it. That's how long a Yeah. Yeah. They knew.

Well,, so, so, tell, me, like, tell, me, what, By the way, it's so nice to see you. I think, we, met, a, long, long long, time, ago, but just in passing. No, she doesn't remember. Um, but um but this is the first time I've gotten to talk to you so it's such a pleasure. And um what was that like when you the first time when you So before Fantasy Island, had you been pursuing it? How did you fall into it? Like how did you get that that first job? I had taken theater in high school to avoid having to take an English class. I think it was grammar that I was avoiding.

And, um, uh, and, so, I, sort, of, fell, into, it and I thought all the theater people were just kind of, you know, geeky.

Yeah. And, um Yeah,, for, sure, they, are. And, anyway,, I, I, I, just, I, mean,, I, just fit right in and I I just sort of fell in love with it. And then anyway graduated. I didn't think I would ever in my wildest dreams become an actor. I just wasn't a part of that. I'd never met an actor. I'd never met a famous person. And um

And, your, family, was, there, was, no, sort, of acting connection in your family at all. Nothing.

Nothing., In, fact,, my, dad, was, not thrilled at the notion of me doing Where, were, you?, Where, did, you, grow, up?

Um, uh, in, Orange, County,, not, that, far away from LA. Um anyway, so I was uh working at Bond Supermarket.

I, love, it. Yeah. And, um, um checkout. Yeah. Yeah., And, I, wasn't, a, very, good, checker. I could never balance my cash register.

Yeah., And, those, are, the, days, where, you had you had to you had to type in the price and didn't just scan stuff.

Those, were, the, days,, right?, Way, back then. Some, skills., Um, now, did, you, not, go, to, college, and, like study up on some, you know, tangible something you could really rely on like a real or were you just like I'm all in and if this doesn't work, I'm going back to slinging melons.

I, had, I, had, uh, started, a, trade, school., I was doing court reporting. Oh,, really?, Wow.

And, that, made, me, crazy, in, the, head because, you, have, to, sort, of, learn, a whole new language.

Yeah. And, and, then, you, have, to, type, it, out like this. is synographer. Wait,, so, you, know, how, to, do, that?

Not, anymore., But, what, would, happen, was after about a year of studying that every time I would talk to people, my hands would start going like this and my brain trans and I'm transcribing every single thing.

And, it's, not, a, querty, keyboard,, is, it? It's it's it's like a different kind of keyboard.

It's, a, totally, different., You, have, to learn a completely different language.

It's, a, fully, different, language., Did, it help you memorize dialogue going forward?

No., I, mean,, maybe. Good, question,, though. Thanks., I, was, just, thinking, I, just, think it would be funny. I wonder if you ever lost a job. You know, you said you took acting because you didn't want to um do this grammar class. And I wonder if you ever lost a job. They're like, "We really wanted to hire her, but her grammar was terrible."

Yeah. She, doesn't, speak, good., I, have, been, um since you popped on our little screen here today to talk. It's really hard for me to hold I have you know Greece 2 is one of my favorite movies of all time really

and, I'm, sure, you, get, it, all, the, time, and I'm so sorry but me and my sister watched it a thousand times. I know every word. I know every song.

My, sister, and, I, better Michelle, was, about, to, correct, him,, but she was

Anyway,, I, I, just, I, just, it's, it, was, a huge part of my childhood Greece, too. And we just watch it over and over and over again. And I know every line of dialogue and everyone. So, it's really cool that you were favorite part in the film.

Isn't, that, cool?, Didn't, my, I, think, one of my favorite parts of the film is a girl for all seasons cuz it's so ridiculous. for all seasons.

I'm, dressed, as, the, year., Yeah. As, a, Christmas, tree. Absolutely., Absolutely., And

Sean,, how, many, times, have, you, reenacted Cool Rider on a ladder? A, thousand, times.

Okay. I, need, to, see, Oh, you, know,, there's, somebody, online, who did that actually and I reposted it. Oh really?

There, was, a, guy, who, re, who, like, reenacts all every scene. Do, you, get, that, a, lot, in, your, life, that people just are know? It's like a cult like classic like people

Yeah., Yeah., Yeah. Is, that, the, thing, people, do, the, most from from Greece too? Like doing going outlandish and recreating stuff?

Uh, you, mean like, like, do, people, come, up, and, quote lines or like is is that the one that people go, "Oh my god, I love like Sean like sort of fanboying."

Yeah,, that, is uh that's a big one. Um and I guess probably uh well and then you've got all the people quoting Scarface, which is Scarface. I mean

but, mostly, they're, quoting, Tony, Montana, not really me. And uh Fabulous Baker Boys. Of course.

What, about, that,, Sean?, Have, you, sung, on top of a piano? Of, course., I, I, took, a, nap, on, top, of

Oh, my, god., I, remember, when, that, movie came out. I love those guys, too, is so much. I love uh Bo and Jeff Bridges. What great dudes. And I mean, just the best. That movie was so good.

The, best., The, best. And, we, will, be, right, back. And now back to the show.

Michelle,, like, you, you, could, go, on, and on and on with all of the incredible things that you have done. Uh do you do you do you take the time ever privately to kind of give yourself a little pat on the back for the longevity the the amount of of time you have spent in a relevant position in an industry that's famous for its

unpredictability, and, it's, it's, so, sort of fickle and like you have been incredibly well respected and and and and sought after for probably five times longer than your your average actor. actor or actress. It's just it's it

don't, you, adm, you, find, it, I, find, it first of all no I, I, don't you, should

I'm, always, surprised, actually, to, hear people say that. Um, but I also find today it's really hard to feel relevant in any way because it does feel like spread out, you know, everybody's famous.

Everybody's, sort, of, getting, their, 15 minutes and you kind of so, it, doesn't

I, don't, know, it, doesn't, feel, that, way honestly, right?, But, it, turns, out, it, seems, like there's well there's certainly enough room for you, right? You are still uh doing that which you want at the pace that you want it seems from the outside. I mean, you've got three, you've got the Madison, you've got your show on your Apple TV that you got a movie coming out as well, right, for Amazon. Like, you're

busy. Well, yeah, I'm a little too busy. Yeah. Um,, I, didn't, I, didn't, really, plan, to. Look, I'm so grateful. I'm so grateful because I love acting. I've never lost In fact, I probably um enjoy it more now than I ever have because

really, yeah,, I, I'm, sort, of, more, relaxed, with it. Um, I actually did an, you know, I when I had all of this work, plus I have a fragrance company that I founded like seven years ago

and, so, it's,, you, know,, at, a, time, when, I wasn't um working all this much. Um

so, I, don't, really, have, time, to, be thinking about anything but the task at hand. But when I had all these um acting jobs coming up, I thought, okay okay, how are you going to manage this and have a life?

Um, because, that, hasn't, always, been, easy for me. Um, I'm I'm a I'm a all or nothing kind of girl and um when I approach things uh and I always like taking on challenges and then I get into it and it's sort of sink or swim

and, for, whatever, reason, I, kind, of, feed on that. Um maybe not so healthy, I don't know. But uh so so my approach has been this gets back to why am I enjoying it more now than ever is I don't have time to nor the desire to go that deep for that long

and, and, not, be, present., you, know,, I, I really I realize, you know, I have a finite amount of time left and um I might I might announce on this show that I became a grandmother last year.

Excellent., Well, done. I've, That's, awesome. I've, been, very, quiet, about, it, and, it, is

the, greatest,, right? It's, it's, it's, it's, heaven., It's ridiculous. It's um

Congratulations,, by, the, way., That's pretty cool. And, um, if, I, had, known, that, I, was, going to be a grandmother, I I wouldn't have taken on so much work. But I've enjoyed everything and I'm really grateful. I mean, I've loved I love each of these projects. And so what the weird thing is that sort of giving up that angst about the process has freed me up. And I feel in some ways has made me better.

You, mean, the, angst, about, the, process, of actually studying to play that character, doing the research, yada yada.

Oh,, I, have, to, know, this, and, I, have, to and, no, longer, you, know,, and, I, have, to, free, I, have, to personalize this and I have to, you know, and yes, yes, there's a certain amount of that you have to do and that's important.

Yeah., But, then you know and then you start though but there's something amazing for me about showing up and just it's about discovery.

Yes., And, also, I, bet, you, bring, more, of yourself now than ever before. Is that correct?

Yes., I, think, I, think, you, might, be, right. You might be right. That's a first.

For, better, or, worse,, Sean., For, better, or worse Sean. Yeah., But, I, mean, like, be, makes, you fearless more fear.

Yeah., I'll, bet, Michelle, you, would, say for better, right? Because uh if we're if we're if we're doing things correctly, which it sounds like you are you become a a better and better version of yourself as you get older. And um and as an actor, the sort of by consequence you're bringing more interesting abilities to pretending to be other people. So, I'll bet your work has gotten even better

right?, I, mean,, do, you, watch, your, own stuff? I mean, can can you allow yourself to watch yourself and go that's a little bit better than what I did 5 years ago or 10 years ago or

It's, hard, for, me, to, like, my, work, and watch it. And that's the other thing is

I, used, to, see, every, days, daily, the, work before had to see what I was doing. Had to see where I was at. Had to know, do I need to make a shift? Do I need to?

Yeah. Um,, and you, don't, do, that. I, don't., I, just, don't, anymore. What, happened?, When, when, did, that change?

Uh,, it, it, gradually um started shifting. Actually, that was a while ago because I was just torturing myself. Um

so, you, didn't, like, what, you, were, seeing or you got more confident in, oh, you know what?, I, keep, checking,, but, it's fine.

Or, were, you, doing, it, to, pun, were, you doing it to punish yourself on a certain level? Do you think? Is that

I'm, just, very, I'm, just, super, critical. Okay., So, then, you, left, it, and, you're like, I'm just going to be mean to myself, so I don't even want to look.

No., Mean, to, Yes., Yes. Yes., Um, cuz, I, know no matter what I see Yeah. I'm, going, to

find, the, negative. I'm, going, to, find, the, negative, and, I'm and I'm I'm going to show up the next day and do it the best way I know how.

Anyway, I'm, always, gonna, give, 110%., and, I'm, not going to um Well,, I, guess, the, danger, of, looking, at it, and, and and, carrying, and, is, if, you start watching that and you start relying on that, you you run the risk of dragging that and your opinion of that to the next day and it affects what you do, not in the way that's constructive but potentially going

"Oh,, I, want, to, avoid, this,, this,, this, and this." And now you're in some weird loop., You, know what, I, mean?

Yeah., And, the, the, other, the, other, thing about it too is that then you become rather than something happening spontaneously because you're just going with your instincts and you're in the moment you you start copying yourself.

Oh, that, was, really, good., That, was, a really good moment. Ah, you, try, to, regenerate, it

and, then, you're, not, in, the, moment anymore which is what made it so good. and also what could have made it so bad. But you know that thing about like a painter like when you paint it's sometimes you go okay but those moments where you missed led to the good moment and it's like a painter it's the same thing cuz I paint and you have your painting and you have an idea and you start painting and then you make a mistake

and, then, you, have, to, go, about, how, am, I going to fix this? Well, you don't have a plan how to fix it because you you didn't plan on making a mistake. So now you have to you have to just figure that out and it ultimately typically will end up being the favorite part of your painting. And so I think and when you're creating I think that's all part of the process. And so just

I, love, that, you, paint, like, of, course, you paint you couldn't be cooler. Everything you say is just one thing cooler than the next. Um, wait. Michelle, you you were

Oh,, by, the, way,, I, have, a, fragrance called Dave. Dave? Come, on,, Dave., Well,, maybe, Dave, should meet the David Power Bar.

Maybe, they, should, be, friends., Power, Bar out of here. We're talking about Michelle's fragrance. What is wrong with you? Well, I do think before we move on we should Sean, I really think you should track down the gal in the front row and ask her how you can fix your mistake, you know, and maybe straighten out your performance and stop putting people to bed.

I, totally, will, do, that., I, totally, can't you get in serious trouble like if you're on the stage and you break and you like start talking to the audience isn't that sort of like a

call?, He, he, didn't, [ __ ], it, 10, years, ago. Don't worry. He's been trying to get fired off Oscar forever.

No,, no., I, I, I, noticed, her, dozing, off, for the first hour of the play while I'm in it

and, then, and, then, I, waited, till, the, end of the at the boughs when everybody's clapping and we bow.

It, wasn't, in, the, middle, of, your performance. No., Was, it, the, Was, it, the, applause, that woke her up?

I, think, it, was, the, applause, that, woke her up. Sean, when I come next week, I'm going to bring a pillow. Is it sounds like that's what I need to do.

Wait., Uh, Michelle,, I, was, going, to, ask you, you know, you've worked with so many great directors over the years. I mean, some just some of the all-time greats. And

were, you, was, that, a, time, and, was, there, a time when you were just director driven? And has has that shifted like what do you what do you look for when you're when you're deciding now?

Uh, director, is, super, important., I, mean, initially you just want a job and, and, then, once, you, start, getting, work and then it's like obviously just choosing the best of what is put in front of you and

and, um, hopefully, you're, able, to, get, you know pickier and pickier as you go along and then and then yeah when you're in a position of

where, you, have, that, kind, of, choice, it's a tough one like is it script is it director I mean a lot of I've seen really talented directors make I would not maybe masterpieces but great films out of not so great scripts

and, then, I've, seen, maybe, in, the, wrong hands a really great script just so

director, is, so, important in, some, ways, I, think, I, would, if, I, had, to choose I would say I would say director and then I think the part is you know does it kind of just speak to you I mean for me if I can hear it

I, can, hear, it, I, can, see, I'm, very, visual. Does, it, matter, if, it's, the, lead, or, 767 89 down the call sheet? If it's a direct call 789 now you're getting into honey territory.

You, know, I, recently, have, especially, like you know working on a Marvel movie or something

and, you, have, a, tent, on, the, stage. Yeah. And, you're, in, a, costume, you, can't, pee. you know, you can't go to the bathroom in unless you and it it's

you, know,, I', i've, had, to, beg, for, a, honey wagon size room. I'm, like, just, I, just, need, a, place, to, go sit

and, work, on, my, stuff that, has, a, little, tiny, toilet,, you, know. Right., Right., Right.

And, Right. Couldn't, have, been, happier., So, Right., Right., Right., Um,, let, me, ask, you something. This might be like a you don't we don't have to go there if you don't want to but having your your breadth of work over literally decades like amazing work one after another. Have you seen um a change for the better in either roles for women from the beginning of your career to now or how being a woman in the business has changed at all? Have you experienced any of that yourself or have you just been like, "No, it's been I've just been sailing along."

Before, you, even, answer, that,, here's, one thing that I just find incredibly impressive about you and you you don't have a lot of uh um company in this. You have been able to have your talent as an actor overshine your your extraordinary beauty from day one. Absolutely. um which extends into you know um I would imagine so many interesting roles now as one gets older the, the the, roles, get, better, and, since you never traded just on your looks you there's no there's no there's no um end of relevance there like it was always about the talent with you and the looks

and, that, was, so, delicately, walked through and so impressive sweat you're so close to trouble on either side.

She's, teetering, like, he, is, so, teetering on the edge of this. Did, I, make, it?, Did, I, shut, up, in, time?

So, impressed., Wow. I'm, I, was, just, more, to, the, point. I, was, going, to, say, I, I, was, just

How, does, it, feel, being, an, aging, actress in Hollywood? Why don't you just say it Sean?

Michelle,, I, was, going, to, say, that, I think that you're you're even cooler than you are beautiful, which is saying a lot. That is that's the truth. I'm very very cool. No, I just like like pick your scandal in the news in the news over the last 40 years about this business that we're all in

and, a, lot, of, the, times, it, has, to, do, not all the time but a lot of has time to do with women

and, and, how, they've, been, mistreated, and so I didn't know if you could speak to that.

Sh, you, try, to, get, headlines, for, us, cuz Oh, no. Can, you, get, out, of, the, dark, water, and get into the shallow turquoise? Yeah, we just got out of the deep end, Sean. And now there you go diving back in.

Oh, my. Wow,, that, was, a, lot, to, unpack,, guys., So, where do you want me to start?

This, is, your, time., How, are, the, roles seem to you? Better or worse? Well,, you, know what?, They're, better,, but they're

way, better., There's, so, many, like, and mainly that's due to television and streamers and

there's, just the, bad, news, is, there's, like, a ridiculous amount of content out there and and

maybe, too, much. You, don't, know, what, to, watch. A, lot, of, it, not, so, good, maybe., Um, but that's always been the case right with in our industry and now um and so and I feel like I I just feel like so much of the good work

like, the, majority, of, the, good, work, is being done by women. I mean extraordinary work by women and on television.

I, agree. And, so, it's, keeping, us, all, working., And then I I also feel like in terms of performers and entertainment

there, has, never, been, a, bigger appreciation for women of my age. Yeah. Um, and, that's, that's, super, exciting., And um so yeah, I've seen

But, that's, what, I, kind, of, mean., It's like I don't think that was the case 20 30 40 years ago, 50 years ago.

And, you, couldn't, do, you, couldn't, do, TV and movies. Yeah. Right., Right., Let, al, right, right, that's a great point

you, couldn't, do, a, commercial, god, forbid you should do some you should sponsor a product or something you will never work again in the movies

like, Michelle, like, when, you, were, making like let's say like 88 was it 88 you made dangerous leaison or and you're making all the and you're getting nominated so you're nominated for an academy more academy award and then you call, your, agent, you, go, I'm, going to, do this TV series they'd be like what are you out of your mind

right, right, exactly right and, not, even, that, long, ago, you, know, I remember like about Oh, maybe 10 maybe was it 10 years ago I was, talking, about, I, don't know, I, got offered some TV show and I well you know I don't know it's kind of interesting and they're like no you know if you do TVM really it was it was got to be something really special

it, was, Woody, and, Matthew, McConna, with True Detective I remember was the big like oh wow these guys are chang

yeah, I, think, I, think, McConna, had, just won the Oscar um like five months earlier for uh Dallas Buyers Club maybe Um and uh that was like what is going on? I I really feel like that was and before that obviously Fincher doing House of Cards on Netflix too like just launching uh streaming as as a place where filmmakers go. So yeah, it is.

You, don't, think, it, was, me, doing, the sitcom The Millers after I did Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles?

Well,, maybe, it's, And, let, me, tell, you something Bojack thing that I'm hearing is coming is coming on soon, right? Is

I, feel, so, responsible, when, you, say, tons of bad stuff. I'm like, "God, I'm so responsible for so much."

Trust, me., Trust, me. We've, all, got, an, I've, I've, done, my, share of bad stuff.

Um,, so, then, so, then, what, So, now, So, now you're sitting here. You're kind of you're kind of in the cat bird seat because you you you you get to kind of pick and choose. You can do whatever you want. You can do TV and film and you've got a new appreciation for it. And you've, as you said, you've kind of relieved the pressure of of making yourself crazy. So when you look at and I guess now being a grandparent, now you're

domestic, life, is, is, at, it. Is is, life, is, is, life, work, balance, the most important? Is that the first decision?

Uh, yeah., Yeah,, it, is., and, you, know, now, but I it w it obviously wasn't when I committed to do all this work.

I, didn't, know, I, was, going, to, be, a grandmother then. And you know, I uh I thought, "Wow, it's my time now. I can uh I can go do what I want to do." And

yeah, we'll, be, right, back. And, back, to, the, show. How good are you and your and your husband at uh at at working out this this balance? Because that's that's a tricky part, too, because you you're you're both incredibly busy.

He's, very, busy, as, well., Yeah., Yeah. Well, for my sis for Tracy. Yeah. Please,, Sean.

Yeah., For, my, sister, who, might, not, know, your your husband is David Kelly.

Oh,, okay. Uh, I, got, to, say, he's, been, amazing., And, I I said to him when again all this work was coming up. I'm like I'm like going to Montana and Texas for 4 minutes out of the year. I'm like

okay, I, am, not, doing, this, unless, you're with me and, don't, say, you're, going to, be, with, me and then come for like a couple weeks and then go away from No, you're you're with me

and, he's, been, with, me really and, and, I, couldn't, have, I, couldn't, have because he could he can write anywhere

right?, But, he's, doing, much, more, than right. is directing, he's producing he's doing different stuff in

He, doesn't, direct. Well,, sort, of, by, proxy, at, times., Yes., Um maybe I Well

he's, pretty, he's, pretty, I, just, worked for I just worked with him for the worked for him uh with him.

Yeah. For, the, first, time, really, on, on, Marggo's Got Money Troubles. And I did it was um

so, fun., And, I, was, very, I', I've, never been really eager to work with him because

I, so, cherish, my, marriage, and, sometimes that's the kiss of death to work together and don't be on the cover of People magazine together because you'll be divorced next year.

Yeah. Um oh, my, god. So, I, mean, how, many, times, have, we, seen that? So, so, it, was, nerve-wracking, as, it, as, it approached. Yeah. Did you guys lay down any sort of like listen this is this is how you could trigger me if you do this and I know that I Honey is closed.

He, sort, of, set, a, boundary, early, on. Mhm. When, I, was, asking, maybe, too, many questions

and, um do, you, really, think, she'd, say, that, David? And, he's, like,, you, know,, I, think, that's a good question for the director.

Oh,, no. After, he, did, that, a, couple, times,, I'm like, okay, I get it. I get it.

Um, and, that, was, actually, really, good., Um but the truth is this, character, is, so, well, written., It's like I was born to play this part.

Really? She, is, like, a, real, housewife, of Fullerton wannabe. Uhhuh. I, grew, up, in, Orange, County.

Yeah. I, I, love, love, love, her., Her, name, is Cheyenne and she works at Bloomingdales in the cosmetics department.

That's, brilliant., and, single, mom., L clearly clearly my daughter get it. Yeah,

you, can, move, on. I, just, found, out. Any, anywh, who, So,, um, it, was, and, also Gosh, how often do you get to work in Los Angeles and stay home?

Yeah. I, don't, know, where, you, guys, live., Will, I think you're Are, you, shooting?, You're, not, shooting., I thought you go in Montana at shooting

but, I'm, not, shooting, right, now., I'm going to Montana. When, you, worked, with, David,, it, was, in LA.

It, was, in, LA. Got, it., Okay,, great., So,, um,, Michelle,, I I sometimes I do this and I ask people who have, as Sean said, s such a wide s huge breadth of work. Is there a role? Is there a not a role? Well, maybe a role role andor film that you did of one of these great films. Is there one? Do you have a favorite? And it's okay. I don't I mean I have I I have I have a few that are of my favorites, but it's then it's bad if I don't mention some and then the director is going to be like, "Oh, you didn't mention mine."

Let's, assume, that, you, love, them, all. Let's assume you love them all, but you love one.

You, know,, there's, there's, the, the, film that I actually love the most and then there's the performance that maybe I don't hate, right?

Um, and, then we, want, this., There's, the, Then, there's the experience. All, three., All, three., I

like, all, three, of, those. Experience, would, be, I, think, a, tossup, of Married to the Mob and honestly Marggo's Got Money Troubles.

Uh, it, was, just, ton, of, fun., Um, and, my favorite film maybe Baker Boys maybe.

Yeah. Yeah., I, got, to, check., I've never, seen, so, good. And, that, might, be, my, favorite performance as well.

Double, as, well. Might, be so, famous, too. Do, you, think, that, would, make, a, great sequel? Like where are these people?

Yes. Right. That's a great idea. I, can't, get, I, can't, get, Steve, to, do, it. So,

well,, anyway, just, say, David, will, take, care, of, it. Yes. Can, I, ask, you, Can, I, just, nerd, out, just for a second? Just

Are, we, going, back, to, Greu? cuz I never just like a couple questions cuz that's never going to happen again in my life.

We're, take, Sorry,, Michelle., This, is where we take questions from uh fans. Go ahead.

Go, ahead, caller. Um, no,, like, like, what, what, was, it, like get like what was it like knowing how big the first one was and then were you like scared to do this to be the in the sequel? Like to be like, "Oh my god Greece was such a massive." No, come on. It was it was a big deal to me as a kid. No, it's a really good question and and of course I was terrified and

Yeah,, but, you, were, so, good, in, it., You were so good. You, know,, but, you, know,, look,, it's, John Travolta, Olivia Newton, John and you know, and it was, you know, the first one and it was amazing and such a follow cult following and so successful and then you got me and this kid Mel, they don't know who we are and and they're taking out ads that say too hot. Um, and I'm like, don't say that. What if they don't think I'm hot? Okay. Like, don't tell them I'm hot. Anyway

so, it, was, it, was, it, was, uh, Yeah. Was, it, fun, to, make? Yeah., Dancing, and, singing., I, loved, all that because I I do love to dance and I love to sing, but I'm

Stop, sweating. I, know. It's, so, We, can, see, you, sweating. We, can, see, the, towel, just, below, the frame,

damn, it., Cool, it, off,, man. As, soon, as, she, mentioned, Maxwell, you, just, it, just, exploded.

By, the, way,, you, know,, I, you, stayed, for Maxwell. Yeah. A, couple, bars., Sean,, really, about, Max. Name a song. I know. I love words. Opener. Give us the opener. Seanley.

No., What's, the, opener?, What's, the opening song? Schools out for No, it's a school. It was about a school. Oh god, I can't remember.

Ramon's,, isn't, it?, Schools, out, for summer. No., Yeah., No,, it, was, uh, Yeah,, it, was this. It was this.

That's, right. That's, right. Shaking, it, up. That's, right. It, was, um I, still, have, my, bowling, ball.

No,, you, don't. I, do., And, the, bowling, ball, case. We're, going, to, SC, tonight., We're, going tonight. We're going to rock. We're going to roll. We're going to bop. We're going to We're going to scarc. Well done.

Michelle,, do, you, grab, a, little, keepsake from every single job? Yeah. Um, not, always., Not, always., Sometimes there's

You, have, the, dress, from, Baker, Boys, you, know., I, I, don't, get, that, dress.

I, have, some, of, the, costumes, from, Married the Mom. I don't always keep them because

What, about, a, script? They, just, take, up, room. Do, you, keep, the, script?

I, keep, my, scripts., I, keep You, got, a, stack, of, them, like, on, a, on, a wall somewhere? Do you have them like bound and stuff like that?

No,, they, kind, of, got, mildwy, and, um, I've been trying to clean Do, you, archive, stuff?, No,, I, just

No,, I, don't, I, just, don't, have, time. It's, all, up, here,, right? Yeah. Yeah.

I, like, that., I, like, that, you, don't., Um, I do I do want to follow up before we let you go because we're Jason obviously is

has, has, a, time, crunch. Yeah,, a, time, crunch., He's, got, to, get out man.

Cuz, he's, got, to, get, off. And, Jason,, by, the, way,, I, was, I, was meaning to say I'm sorry. Maybe are you going to a doctor to address your gastrointestinal issues?

Yeah., Well,, you, know,, just, when, I, get the back is so stiff when I get up in the morning, it just sometimes the valve gets a little loose and

I, understand., Yeah. Get, it,, man. Michelle, understands. Okay., We're, all, chopped, a, little.

We're, all, chopped,, baby., We're, all chopped. We're, all, chopped., Um, that's, a, good, t-shirt.

Great, show., Great, show,, by, the, way. Mhm. Yeah. Chopped. Um, wait., Will,, you, had, a, killer, closer., Go ahead. No, not a killer closure, but I just want to ask you because we we only we briefly touched upon Scarface that became this huge, of course, iconic film, Brian Dealma. You and Aluccino

didn't, care, for, it. We, have, a, rogue, Italian, critic, in, the back of the theater in the process of getting kicked out.

Finally,, a, question, about, Scarface. So, so, uh, you couldn't have imagined I I imagine the what the cultural impact that Scarface had and continues to have to this day. I mean, it's just it's phenomenal right?

They're, talking, about, remaking, it, right? Or doing another I, think, they're, I, did, hear, something about that. It was it a television show or was it a new movie? I forget, but I did that was a couple years ago. No.

Yeah., Yeah., It, it, comes, up, every, once, in a while. I think universal and anton fu.

I, mean, I, I, didn't, have, any, idea, it, would become sort of a culture phenomena in the way that it and in the way that it did too. It became this sort of

cult, kind, of, following., And, so, and, that that was I was and that was boy that was really intense for me. I think I I want to say the shooting went on for six months. It went over like a couple of months and I was playing a coke addict. So, I was not eating.

Oh,, yeah. And, I, kept, getting, skinnier, and, skinnier and Jason,, anything?

The, crew, were, bringing, me, bagels, and kind of um and um we're, going, to, have, to, reshoot, about, 20 pages. Will you please eat something? Well, and then the scene at the end, you know, where she's in the restaurant and like kind of strung out and at her worst kept getting pushed and pushed and pushed

and, that, was, the, scene, where, I, really wanted to look my worst. Anyway, and it was also very other than Mary Elizabeth Astro Antonio, Master Antonio, like we were the only women and it was these you know, it was like

it, was, like, uh guys,, you, know,, it, was, like, uh, and, and gangster guys and you know, Machismo and they were all kind of, you know, a little bit in character all the time and

Brian, De, Palmer,, right? So,, and, Brian., Yeah., And, I, was, 20., I, was so young. I mean, again, the last 20 years old

I, was, 23., I, think, the, last, credit, I, had was Greece, too. Wow. And, I, just, didn't, have, a, lot, of experience under my belt. And I was terrified.

Terrif, every, every, night, I, was terrified. Where, a, lot, of, that, was, in, in, Florida, right?

Mo,, let's, see., Uh,, a, lot, of, it, was, in LA. Oh,, yeah. Most, of, it, was, in, LA, on, stage, and, we, did some Florida.

Yeah. Location, stuff., Yeah. But, terrified., terrified, because, of, the newness of the your career.

Yeah. I, didn't, feel, worthy., I, didn't, feel, like I had the chops. I didn't have any experience behind me. I had no I had zero confidence.

Yeah. And, you, know,, and, Al, will, admit, this,, he didn't really want me for the part. And I auditioned, I think, for a couple of months for it. And I knew he didn't want me going into it.

Oh,, really? And, um one, of, my, favorite, stories, is, when, I actually made him bleed. uh during my screen test. Um

how, so?, Wait,, how, so? I, think, we, don't, you, want, to, just, end there? No story.

Oh,, god, damn, it. Okay,, so, I'll, try, to, make, it, brief., So, I'm having to audition. First of all, I come in. I do a great reading for Brian Dealma and the casting director. And I was like, it just was a good It just happened to be good

right?, Then, they, want, to, bring, me, back to meet Al. And anyway, over the course of two months, I just get worse and worse and worse because I'm just afraid.

Yeah. And, and, by, the, end,, I'm, bad., And, I, don't blame him. He just was like, I'm bad. And Brian finally comes to me and says when you know, you know, doll, it's just it's just not going to work out. I'm like, I know, man. I'm sorry.

Cuz, Brian, really, wanted, me. This, is, what's, wrong, with, the, audition process. Is it just the the stakes get so high you can't do good.

So, yeah, as, as, disappointed, well, you, know that fear is the worst is, an, actor, enemy., It's, just, is completely undermines you. So

so, as, much, as, disappointed, as, I, was, I was so happy to be done with it. So,, like, at least, a, month, goes, by, and, I get a call. They want to bring me into screen test

and, I'm, like, so I show up and I don't even give a [ __ ] cuz I know I'm not getting this part.

Sure., Yeah. So, that's, when, you, get, them, sexy indifference. So,, I, show, up.

Huh? It, was, my, best, work, of, the, film, of, course., And, it's, that, restaurant scene where I explode at the end and I swipe the table of the dishes and every glasses break, the dishes break. Cut. There's blood everywhere.

Uhoh. And, they, all, run, over, to, me. Yeah. To, see, where, I've, cut, myself.

Yeah., Your, hand. Well,, I, didn't, cut, me., I, cut, Al. Wow. No., Wow., I, thought,, "Well,, there, goes that part."

And, he's, just, staring, at, you. Anyway,, actually,, I, think, that, was, the day he was like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah."

Really? I, think, I, think, uh, yeah,, she's, not, bad. So um Charlie, Yeah., And, so,, um, Wait., Wow., So, was it was it Did you cut him bad? And And

I, cut, his, I, think, I, cut, him, in, the finger or something. Wow. And, And, it, is

And, you, went, for, it., You, went, for, it. That's why Yeah. I love that. I love that.

Wow. There's, the, lesson. Yeah., There's, the, lesson., You, got, to, You got to give a little less [ __ ]

Yeah., And, if, I, went, for, it, more,, people wouldn't fall asleep in the front row. Exactly. Once you start breaking some glass, you know, make them say hello to your little friend.

Make, sure, the, front, row's, bleeding. Shnie, come on. So, before, you, show, up,, you, know,, to, do your performance, just that's your mantra. I don't give a [ __ ]

I'll, give, I'll, cut. Oh,, don't, worry., You, watch, the, cut., I'll cut. Yeah. Well, he's chewing. Yeah. Uh Michelle, thank you. We have taken up again way too much of your time

and, Jason, is, late, for, his, meeting. Thanks guys. What, a, pleasure., Thank, you, so, much, for doing this. You're the greatest. It's such a thrill.

Such, such, an, honor., Truly. Thank, you, so, much, for, having, me. Thank, you,, Michelle., Thank, you., Have, a great rest of the day.

Okay. Till, I, see, you, again., Bye., Bye. Bye., Am, I, supposed, to, stay, on?, Am, I supposed to do something? Slam your laptop closed and discussed.

Okay. All, right., Bye., Bye., Bye., Bye., Bye. Thanks. Well,, well,, there, you, go., So,, I, pulled it off, huh? I pulled off pretty pretty nice. Um, no.

Did, that, cost, you, any, money?, Like,, you got you got to pay to get guests like that.

I, mean,, she, I, mean,, God,, how, great, is she? Cool. I, know., I, know., Aside, from, the, show,

she's, great., Like, did, I, seem, nervous?, No., Uh, that, is, uh wow. What a cool lady.

Aside, from, the, talent, and, the, looks, and the everything she has, she's just cool. A cool hand.

Like, so, down, to, earth., So, cool., Just it's just amazing. Got it all. And then Jason, you did put it really well, which is like or or was it one of you talking about

it, was, probably, me. Uh, about, about, how she's such a great performer, she's such a great actress that that is the thing that shines through.

Yeah., always, went, for, the, acting, and, the beauty was just sort of just a great little side car as opposed to there are some actors male and female that I people do go to see like oh look I want my handsome movie star you know like and I just want to yeah you know and then uh

and, then, you, leave, and, it's, like, you know there was no no performance stays with you but you you like the eye candy she's just like she's an incredible actor

do, you, think, that, was, okay, that, I brought up Greece 2 so much um oh, we'll, cut, that, out.

Yeah. By, cut, all, most, of, your, stuff. What, by, what, measures, do, you, mean?, Okay. Like it was

like, No,, I, know., Like, I, couldn't, tell. I, mean, embarrassing, for, you, and, it, was it was awkward for her.

You, the, whole, time. Yeah. I, like, Yeah,, that, movie, was, so, huge, to me as a kid.

No,, we, don't, need, more., We, don't, need more. No,, I'm, actually, jealous., I, never, saw that one. I saw the first Greece seven times in a row just sitting in my theater chair with my my sister out in the valley. This was uh what we were probably 11

12, something, like, that. Were, we, like, sharing, a, bag?, What, was going on?

The, only, reason, we, left, is, cuz, the lighter ran out of butane. So we're like let's get the [ __ ] out of here. This is out in the West Valley in the early 80s and uh it was cheap. Stuff was cheap.

So, yeah., Yeah., There's, no, way, there's, no other reason you wouldn't stay and watch it seven times in a row.

No,, the, theater's, cool., You, don't, want to be sweating while you're tweaking out there in the valley. It's like let John and Olivia just kind of serenade you while you just

watch, it, again., Watch, it, again. Watch, it, again. That is hilarious. Oh, and you watched it that many times before you said

"Oh,, God.", I, Well,, listen., Yeah., Before I turned to my to my sister. It's, like, somebody, grabbed, the, wheel, of a bus. Like somebody in a passenger just reached up and grabbed the wheel.

Say, goodbye. Oh, my, god. Wait., Wait., Sean,, if, you, were, to, say, bye in in in a Greece type of uh song.

Oh,, here, we, go., How, that everybody, knew, their, role. Everybody, knew, their, role.

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