RE-RELEASE: Charlize Theron | SmartLess

Who speaks in this episode?

• Antipater (Antipot), son of Jason (Host)
• George Will (Host)
• Positive Sean (Host)
• Arnette (Ambiguity: surname / nickname) (Guest)

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 5:00: George Will, Positive Sean, Good Night Oscar, Chicago
2. 5:00 – 10:00: Charlize Theron, George Will, Ozark, Chicago
3. 10:00 – 15:00: Ballet, South Africa, Arrested Development, Prometheus
4. 15:00 – 20:00: Tom Hanks, James Bader, Fairfax, Hollywood
5. 20:00 – 25:00: Monster, Arrested Development, Devil's Advocate, Tom Hanks
6. 25:00 – 30:00: Namibia, Australia, Sloppy Joe, George Michael
7. 30:00 – 35:00: Namibia, AJ Jackson, Hot cops, Malibu
8. 35:00 – 40:00: Arrested Development, Megan Kelly, School for Good and Evil, Sully
9. 40:00 – 45:00: Tennis, Megan Kelly, School for Good and Evil, Belfast
10. 45:00 – 50:00: Prometheus, Megan Kelly, Glen Close, Paddle
11. 50:00 – 55:00: Monster, Arrested Development, Prometheus, Monsters, Inc.
12. 55:00 – 55:46: Michael Grant Terry, SmartLess

Notable quotes from "RE-RELEASE: Charlize Theron | SmartLess"

• Find any. but like just sweeping up Oreo cookies and stuff and where was the party? Was it at Sean's house?

  about Positive Sean · at 1:55

• Been threatening. I guess we could do it over here in my house. why don't we just do it? Be fun. Hey, I texted Will yesterday if I could wear these shoes with the suit pants.

  about Antipater (Antipot), son of Jason · at 2:45

• Than all of us. Let's find out how she gets it all done today on Smart List, shall we gang? Please welcome the one and only Charlies Theren.

  about Charlize Theron · at 7:24

• Remember when she was on Arrested Development? Sean, what was your favorite Sean? Remember when she was on Arrested Development? What was your favorite.

  about Arrested Development · at 11:05

• Tough because I was so inexperienced, you know? So, I'm grateful to him always. But then I got to work with Tom Hanks right after that and he was just [ __ ] lovely because with him it was just all about the joy.

  about Tom Hanks · at 20:37

• Yeah. So like for me the reason why, I had just won the Academy Award for Monster and the first job I did was working with you guys on Arrested Development because Makes sense.

  about Monster · at 23:28

• No, we shot it in Namibia. Actually, we were originally going to shoot it in Australia and then ask him where Namibia is. Just ask him what side of Africa it's on.

  about Namibia · at 28:40

• I was scared of doing Megan Kelly. I really I that you know that's it's one of those things where you're like hoping for the best and you try and do as much work as possible but.

  about Megan Kelly · at 48:11

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Charlize Theron — Person · Main guest · 1 mention · first at 7:28
  Primary interview subject — actor/producer discussing her career, family, filmmaking experiences, and specific films (Mad Max: Fury Road, Monster, Prometheus, Bombshell, School for Good and Evil).
• Antipater (Antipot), son of Jason — Person · Host / Co-host · 4 mentions
  One of the show's three hosts; participates in interview, asks questions, and interacts conversationally with guest.
• George Will — Person · Host / Co-host · 2 mentions · first at 2:42
  One of the show's three hosts; engages in the conversation, teases co-hosts and guest, contributes questions and commentary.
  We used to play a lot of poker. Will, why don't we start playing poker again?
• Positive Sean — Person · Host / Co-host · 1 mention · first at 1:58
  One of the three hosts; asks questions, shares anecdotes and interacts closely with guest.
• Megan Kelly — Person · Referenced person / role portrayed · 4 mentions · first at 39:08
  Charlize discussed portraying Megyn Kelly in Bombshell; hosts praised her transformation into that role.
• Tom Hanks — Person · Referenced actor / influence · 2 mentions · first at 16:48
  Referenced by Charlize as an early positive influence/experience on set (encouraging joy in performance).
• Lisa Peterson — Person · Referenced director / nominee · 1 mention · first at 3:45
  Mentioned by host Sean Hayes as the director of 'Good Night, Oscar' and a nominee at the Chicago theater awards event.
  Show is nominated and Emily Bergle, who plays my wife, is nominated and the writer is nominated. Doug Wright and Lisa Peterson who directed is nominated.
• Curtis Wayne Wright — Person · Referenced writer / nominee · 1 mention · first at 3:56
  Mentioned by host Sean Hayes as the writer of 'Good Night, Oscar' and a nominee at a Chicago theater awards event.
  Show is nominated and Emily Bergle, who plays my wife, is nominated and the writer is nominated. Doug Wright and Lisa Peterson who directed is nominated.
• George Michael — Person · Referenced character name (likely mis-typed as person) · 2 mentions · first at 11:05
  Used as a comedic reference by a host ('I turned into George Michael')—in context this most plausibly refers to the 'Arrested Development' character George Michael Bluth, not the singer George Michael.
  Remember when she was on Arrested Development? Sean, what was your favorite Sean? Remember when she was on Arrested Development? What was your favorite.
• James Bader — Person · Referenced actor (early collaborator) · 2 mentions · first at 16:57
  Charlize references working with James Bader on her first film experience and his professionalism as supportive on set.
  Writer director John Herzfeld he it was my first film that I ever did and he was very kind you know he was very patient. I had to do a lot of stuff with James Bader, who's…
• Al Pacino — Person · Referenced co-star · 1 mention · first at 21:01
  Cited as a major co-star in Theron’s career story while discussing 'The Devil's Advocate' and method-leaning set culture.
  Counter experiences like I love Taylor Hackford. I did a film called Devil's Advocate with him with Alpacuccino and Kiana Reeves and that was a really big movie for me and he…
• Keanu Reeves — Person · Referenced co-star · 1 mention · first at 21:02
  Mentioned as a co-star alongside Pacino in 'The Devil's Advocate' during discussion of Theron’s early big studio experiences.
  Was a really big movie for me and he loves he really encourages method and so everybody just you don't really have a choice like that's just kind of like how he makes I don't know now but that was back then.
• Patty Jenkins — Person · Referenced director / collaborator · 1 mention · first at 54:25
  Mentioned by hosts as a past director who worked with the show/guest; referenced in the context of Marvel/Wonder Woman career trajectory and as someone who directed 'Monster' era talent.
  Wait, Patty Jenkins directed Arrested Development too.
• Liam Neeson — Person · Referenced actor · 2 mentions
  Mentioned in entity list; in transcript hosts reference stunt doubles and large action productions — Liam Neeson referenced briefly in that context.
  What about Liam Niss's stunt double? He must be all banged up.
• Arnette (Ambiguity: surname / nickname) — Person · Guest/participant referenced in conversation as a person the group missed during a trip · 1 mention · first at 0:49
  Contains an ambiguous reference to a person; resolve by disambiguating who Arnette is to ensure consistency in transcript annotations
  You really missed one there, Arnette.
• Terrence Howard — Person · Referenced actor · 1 mention
  Mentioned in entity list (only one mention in extraction) but not a substantive part of this episode's dialogue.
• Mike Tyson — Person · 1 mention · first at 10:24
  To just leave it alone if it's a light tattoo and there's also take it out in the DI but I think it started with Mike Tyson in Hangover three, right?
• John Hurt — Person · 1 mention · first at 17:25
  Knew him who was in my car. His card was in my car for like months and they said, Yeah, he represents John Hurt. And I was Well, that's a real actor.
• John Herzfeld — Person · 1 mention · first at 20:10
  Yeah. I mean I worked with this writer director John Herzfeld he it was my first film that I ever did and he was very kind you know he was very patient. I had to do a lot of stuff with James Bader, who's lovely, but.
• Taylor Hackford — Person · 1 mention · first at 20:56
  And then I also had like you know counter experiences like I love Taylor Hackford. I did a film called Devil's Advocate with him with Alpacuccino and Kiana Reeves and that was a really big movie for me and.
• AJ Jackson — Person · 1 mention · first at 32:46
  And I had a new baby and that what became the biggest issue. I was it was just me and Jackson in the house and I got broken in 3:00 in the morning like five times. That was really scary.
• Philip Seymour Hoffman — Person · 1 mention · first at 38:44
  About earlier, to lose yourself into every character you play. It's very rare that you know there's Philip Seymour Hoffman who was just like transformative. There's you, who's…
• Glen Close — Person · 1 mention · first at 48:28
  Weeks in and you still don't sound like her. and I did the first round of prosthetics and I looked like Glen Close. Like it was weird. Like I'm I don't know if this is going to work out.
• Ridley Scott — Person · 1 mention · first at 49:44
  I don't know if this is true or not cuz Ridley Scott had I don't know if it's true but I heard that he had this original script that explained kind of the whole they gave this engineer this dialogue that explained the whole movie.
• Patty Jenkins — Person · 1 mention · first at 54:25
  She had so she did the show we had and we had also had remember we had Patty Jenkins the year before who directed Monster directed.
• Michael Grant Terry — Person · 1 mention · first at 55:32
  Smartless is 100% organic and artisally handcrafted by Michael Grant, Terry, Rob Armjarf, and Bennett Barbco.
• Charlize Theron's mother — Person · 1 mention
• Emily Bergl — Person · 1 mention
• J. J. Maple — Person · 1 mention
• James Spader — Person · 1 mention
• Jason Bateman — Person · 1 mention
• Jason Reitman — Person · 1 mention
• Jonathan Levine — Person · 1 mention
• Liam Neeson — Person · 1 mention
• Marlon Brando — Person · 1 mention
• Michael Fassbender — Person · 1 mention
• Mitch Hurwitz — Person · 1 mention
• Montgomery Clift — Person · 1 mention
• Paul Feig — Person · 1 mention
• Russo brothers — Person · 1 mention

Books & papers

• Good Night Oscar — Book · Referenced work · 1 mention · first at 3:56
  Mentioned as a show Sean Hayes is nominated for.
  I'm nominated in Good Night Oscar the show is nominated and Emily Bergle, who plays my wife, is nominated and the writer is nominated. Doug Wright and Lisa Peterson who directed is nominated.
• Monsters, Inc. — Book · 3 mentions · first at 23:34
  Yeah. So like for me the reason why, I had just won the Academy Award for Monster and the first job I did was working with you guys on Arrested Development because Makes sense to me. I just thought this is such an.
• The Last Face — Book · 1 mention · first at 13:57
  No, it's not actually. It's Yeah, it was a film called The Last Face.
• Alien: Prometheus — Book · 1 mention · first at 14:01
  Okay. Cuz I could talk to you for nine hours about Alien Prometheus right now, but because it's one of my favorite movies. I love it.
• Swan Lake — Book · 1 mention · first at 14:50
  Storytelling, but I didn't know it then cuz technically I was never the strongest dancer, but when I was Swan Lake, I would [ __ ] die on the stage.
• Bombshell — Book · 1 mention · first at 38:55
  Incredible feat. So, I'm sitting there with Scotty, my husband, watching Bombshell. I swear to God, I'm not making this up. And like half hour, 40 minutes in, I'm I thought…
• The School for Good and Evil — Book · 1 mention · first at 44:13
  Yeah. Yeah. Uhhuh. But she loved this movie, this fantasy movie, this the school for good and evil. She really loved it.
• Hancock — Book · 1 mention · first at 53:18
  Oh, that's right. And we also did Wait, did I do Hancock before or after Arrested?
• Wonder Woman — Book · 1 mention · first at 54:35
  Yeah. Who went on to do the Wonder Woman films and etc. Yeah. Who's amazing.
• Charlie and the Chocolate Factory — Book · 1 mention
• Children of the Corn III: Urban Harvest — Book · 1 mention
• Hangover Part III — Book · 1 mention
• Long Shot — Book · 1 mention
• Mad Max Fury Road — Book · 1 mention
• The Devil's Advocate — Book · 1 mention
• The Old Guard — Book · 1 mention
• Tully — Book · 1 mention

Companies & orgs

• Tom Ford — Company · 1 mention · first at 6:43
  I'm I'm a finance guy and I'm trying to be cool. And so my wife got me some Tom Ford sneakers and I'm Hey, look, I'm hip. I don't have time to think about it. I'm worried about…
• Royal Academy of London — Company · 1 mention · first at 12:19
  Nobody in my neighborhood spoke English, but I went to ballet and it was the Royal Academy of London. And so, we had these teachers from London and they couldn't speak. So…
• Ross Dress for Less — Company · 1 mention · first at 26:08
  No, I did. I did that. I just skipped over it. I did like Ross Dress for Less commercials.
• 20th Century Fox — Company · 1 mention · first at 28:21
  Of sloppy joe can make. so, Charize, the cushy, shooting situation there at 20th Century Fox when we were doing Arrested is nothing compared to the grueling location of say a Mad Max, right? walk us through. Was that t was it.
• Big 5 Sporting Goods — Company · 1 mention
• Vans — Company · 1 mention

Products & tech

• The Swedish Fish — Product · Potential product reference; needs confirmation whether it refers to the candy or a metaphor/brand · 1 mention · first at 28:05
  Product naming is uncertain without explicit context; requires span evidence to confirm concrete reference
  Well, I've heard about your Swedish fish and Yeah, I've listened to the show.
• SmartLess — Product · 2 mentions · first at 0:22
  Stay tuned. Here it comes. Smartless.
• Sloppy Joe — Product · 2 mentions · first at 27:21
  You can only put so much sloppy joe in your face before you know you just can't make it. They did the math. They did the math on how much time they waste going back and forth.
• Cheetos — Product · 1 mention · first at 2:05
  Because there were a lot of Cheetos and cookies and that sounds like my 51st birthday.
• Tom Ford sneakers — Product · 1 mention · first at 6:43
  I'm I'm a finance guy and I'm trying to be cool. And so my wife got me some Tom Ford sneakers and I'm Hey, look, I'm hip. I don't have time to think about it. I'm worried about…
• Swedish Fish — Product · 1 mention · first at 28:05
  Well, I've heard about your Swedish fish and Yeah, I've listened to the show.
• Oreo — Product · 1 mention
• Ozark — Product · 1 mention
• Three Musketeers — Product · 1 mention
• Xbox — Product · 1 mention

Concepts & topics

• Tennis — Concept · 5 mentions · first at 5:53
  So, they're tennis shoes, though.
• Academy Award — Concept · 2 mentions · first at 7:16
  All things. She's an actor. She's a producer. She's a mom, a model, an Academy Award winner, a United Nations Messenger of Peace and a friend of ours.
• Ballet — Concept · 2 mentions · first at 12:15
  I had it as an as a second language, but nobody in my neighborhood spoke English, but I went to ballet and it was the Royal Academy of London. And so, we had these teachers…
• Sweet 16 — Concept · 1 mention · first at 1:16
  That's Maple. The 15-year-old Franny had her sweet 16 this weekend.
• Parliament — Concept · 1 mention · first at 5:24
  Well, what can I do? I get roasted for it if I just, just for my common parliament.
• United Nations Messenger of Peace — Concept · 1 mention · first at 7:16
  All things. She's an actor. She's a producer. She's a mom, a model, an Academy Award winner, a United Nations Messenger of Peace and a friend of ours.
• Messenger of Peace — Concept · 1 mention · first at 7:19
  Producer. She's a mom, a model, an Academy Award winner, a United Nations Messenger of Peace and a friend of ours.
• Dutch language — Concept · 1 mention · first at 13:18
  Yeah. Dutch. we Yeah. So, we at pretty much all of Europe try to come in and take over. So, but the Dutch language is predominantly what it's based on. And then there's some German in there. And then we've bastardized it.
• War Boys — Concept · 1 mention · first at 33:37
  Of part of the problem. Yeah. I ended up feeling really safe because if you know the movie, the war boys, the majority of the war boys were actually real military, Australian military that George brought out.
• Hot cops — Concept · 1 mention · first at 33:46
  And so they not to be confused with hot cops. Will got it, got it, got it, got it. Sorry.
• Ping pong — Concept · 1 mention · first at 45:26
  Oh, I love ping pong. I have a ping pong table in my backyard.
• Paddle — Concept · 1 mention · first at 45:27
• Academy Award for Best Actress — Concept · 1 mention
• Afrikaans — Concept · 1 mention
• DI (Digital Intermediate) — Concept · 1 mention
• German language — Concept · 1 mention
• Method acting — Concept · 1 mention
• Pickleball — Concept · 1 mention
• Poker — Concept · 1 mention

Places & events

• Namibia — Place · Setting (film production location) · 5 mentions · first at 28:40
  Mentioned as the actual filming location for Mad Max: Fury Road (where Charlize filmed and discussed production conditions).
• Chicago — Place · Event location (award ceremony) · 2 mentions · first at 3:45
  Referenced as the city where Sean is attending an award ceremony for theater; used by hosts to judge appropriateness of attire and event importance.
  Of character. Look at Where are you going, Sean? I'm I'm going to an event tonight. An award ceremony in Chicago for theater.
• Oscars — Event · Awards event (reference) · 2 mentions · first at 3:55
  Mentioned in context of nominations and theatre awards related to Sean's work (Good Night Oscar) and Charlize's Academy Award status referenced in conversation.
  Yeah. So like for me the reason why, I had just won the Academy Award for Monster and the first job I did was working with you guys on Arrested Development because Makes sense.
• Australia — Place · Referenced location (original planned Mad Max shoot) · 2 mentions · first at 28:34
  Mentioned as the originally planned location for Mad Max before production moved to Namibia due to rains; referenced for its deserts.
  No, we shot it in Namibia. Actually, we were originally going to shoot it in Australia and then ask him where Namibia is. Just ask him what side of Africa it's on.
• South Africa — Place · 3 mentions · first at 11:39
  A very interesting British accent. I sounded very smart. Did you have a growing up in in South Africa, did you have an accent as a kid and got rid of it or what happened?
• Hollywood — Place · 1 mention · first at 15:30
  So how did you a one-way ticket to Hollywood? Literally bought me a one-way ticket to Los Angeles.
• Los Angeles — Place · 1 mention · first at 15:32
  So how did you a one-way ticket to Hollywood? Literally bought me a one-way ticket to Los Angeles.
• Fairfax — Place · 1 mention · first at 15:42
  Plan. I stayed at the farmer's daughter because the cab dropped on Fairfax.
• New York, New York — Place · 1 mention · first at 16:13
  Turner, soda fountain story where I was at a bank trying to cash a check from New York which was an out ofstate check and I couldn't cash it and this guy was trying to help me…
• Samosente — Place · 1 mention · first at 26:41
  Yeah. Yeah. I lived in a loft with two other girls right next to the big five down in Samosente.
• Skeleton Coast — Place · 1 mention · first at 29:22
  The there's places called you know skeleton coast and it's like it's pretty magical.
• Malibu — Place · 1 mention · first at 33:08
  Beautiful coastal homes like right on the water and they're gorgeous. it puts Malibu to shame, but unfortunately, you're bringing in a big production. There's money, and you…
• Belfast — Place · 1 mention · first at 40:24
  It would just wasn't the right time to move a whole family somewhere. So, it was a twoe job up in Belfast and they got me back in 14 days and my mom took the kids and so that was nice too.
• Milan — Place · 1 mention
• Rome — Place · 1 mention

Media & podcasts

• Monster — Media · Referenced film (career milestone) · 3 mentions · first at 23:31
  Charlize's Academy Award-winning role; referenced multiple times as career-defining and a pivot to different types of work.
• Arrested Development — Media · Referenced media (past guest appearance) · 5 mentions · first at 11:05
  Referenced as a show Charlize appeared on; hosts discuss her episode/character (Rita) and comedic experience working with that cast.
• School for Good and Evil — Media · Referenced upcoming/ recent project · 2 mentions · first at 39:34
  Charlize mentions doing the film as a project partly motivated by making something for her children and because scheduling allowed it during lockdown.
  What about this new thing, the School for Good and Evil? what are you doing in that? And what why' you want to do it? What about it? Was it Paul Feige? Because he's a good dude. Yeah,.
• Ozark — Media · Referenced work · 1 mention · first at 9:54
  Mentioned as a show Charlize Theron worked on, discussing tattoos in acting.
  Makeup when you're doing a movie to get like is it a pain in the ass to you got to get it covered up? I did for the first year of Ozark and then I said enough. let's just say my guy's got tattoos. Who cares?
• Devil's Advocate — Media · Referenced work · 1 mention · first at 20:58
  Mentioned as a film Charlize Theron worked on, discussing the method acting approach.
  And then I also had like you know counter experiences like I love Taylor Hackford. I did a film called Devil's Advocate with him with Alpacuccino and Kiana Reeves and that was…
• Prometheus — Media · Referenced media / fan topic · 6 mentions · first at 14:01
  Referenced by hosts as a favorite Ridley Scott film and discussed briefly in relation to plot/theories.
  Okay. Cuz I could talk to you for nine hours about Alien Prometheus right now, but because it's one of my favorite movies. I love it.
• The Last Face — Media · Mentioned as a South African accent context; clarified later as a film title · 1 mention · first at 13:57
  Clarified in dialogue as a film (The Last Face) spoken about in context; treat as a media title with evidence span
  No, it's not actually. It's Yeah, it was a film called The Last Face.
• Sully — Media · Referenced film · 1 mention · first at 37:43
  Mentioned in passing regarding Charlize and injury/weight discussion (possible confusion with other projects) — limited direct discussion.
  What about Didn't you kind of got injured when you put on all that weight for Sully, right?
• Hancock — Media · Referenced media · 1 mention · first at 53:18
  Mentioned in entity list but not substantively discussed in transcript; likely a peripheral reference to other actor projects.
  Oh, that's right. And we also did Wait, did I do Hancock before or after Arrested?

Full transcript with timestamps

0:06 Hey guys. Okay, I'm doing an intro right now for Smart List and I just got back from the market. I just bought a bunch of tapioca. Um, I got nothing uh except a brand new fresh out of the oven episode of Smart List for you guys and a couple of morons to help me with it. Stay tuned. Here it comes. Smartless. Smartless. Smart less. Smart less. Hey, how was the golf uh vacation? How was your golf trip? It was good. It was really, really good. You really missed one there, Arnette. That's okay. I was working. I was working.

0:53 You were busy provider. Well, I thought you guys went together. I couldn't go. I had to work. Uhoh. Oh, I tried. I tried. I was with your wife last night, Jason. Um sorry. I hung out with your wife last night. There we go. And your daughter, who I love. Yeah, she's pretty great. Um, my Um, so that was a 10-year-old. That's Maple. The 15-year-old Franny had her sweet 16 this weekend. I know. I love that. No kidding. She did. Um, and it was Was the boyfriend back to Were you back for it? I came back just in time to drive to where she was having it uh to uh kick them all out and lock up and um and it was uh it was it was great. I was I I was ready to see things that I wasn't ready to see. Uh and I didn't see anything that I was worried about. It was very I mean there was like bowls of chips and Oreo cookies laid out on trays.

1:51 You weren't like sweeping up vape cartridges. Exactly. At least I didn't find any. Um but but like just sweeping up Oreo cookies and stuff and where where was the party? Was it at Sean's house? Because there were a lot of Cheetos and um and cookies and and that sounds like my 51st birthday. Sean, what what was the last big party you threw, Sean? For yourself? For myself or just in general? For yourself? Uh I don't know. Years and years and years ago. Why don't why don't you treat yourself? Why don't Well, didn't you guys come to that?

2:27 Remember that poker party that I had? I don't. I did. Oh my god, Sean. That was 2004. Yeah, I'm not kidding. I know. Fall of 2004 in your backyard. I was there. You remember the year? You know, uh, we used to play a lot of poker. Will, why don't we start playing poker again? We talked about it. We We've been We've been threatening. I guess we could do it over here in my house. Uh, why don't we just do it? Be fun. Hey, I texted Will yesterday if I could wear these shoes with the suit pants. Are you wear Now, are you wearing them on the flight, too?

2:56 Yeah. Wait, wait, wait. What do you mean flight? What do you mean suit pants? Oh, right. You're taking off today. He's going to an event for Why are you wearing suit pants? And who says suit pants? Aren't they called slacks? Who says slacks? Who says [ __ ] suit pants, bro? Here we go, guys. Here we are. Suit pants versus slacks. We'll be right back. Let's go back to the socks. Get back up and let's question the socks. Yeah. Aren't there like little faces on that? Yeah. What are you doing? What is that? No, they're just they're just checkers.

3:24 Are they fun? They're hounds tooth. Do you like people people who are like, I'm going to wear fun socks today. And I hope that people notice my fun socks. And like go, oh man, you must have a real sense of humor cuz I I just noticed your socks. This really shows that you've got a real sense of humor. A lot of character. Wow, you got a lot of character. Look at Where are you going, Sean? I'm I'm going to an event uh tonight. An award ceremony in Chicago for theater. Uhhuh. And is the event The event's tonight, Sean?

3:53 The event's tonight. Yeah. Wait, what time do you land? Are you nominated or are you presenting? I'm nominated in Good Night Oscar the show is nominated and Emily Bergle, who plays my wife, is nominated and the writer is nominated. Doug Wright and Lisa Peterson who directed is nominated. Amazing. Are you not? Are you not nominated? And no, I am nominated as well. Such an honor. Are you also presenting? No. What time did you get in? You're leaving? I literally land and have to go straight there. Okay. Well, this feels like poor planning.

4:18 Do you have Do you have an acceptance speech written? I mean, just in case I have ideas of just who you want to thank. Will you be I saw Look at I Sean showed me a copy of his acceptance speech and he actually crossed out Scotty. He crossed he'd had him in and then he crossed it out. Oh, did you guys get in a fight last night? Oh, yeah. A little bit. Wait, I want to go back to the socks for two seconds. Let's not talk about the Scotty fight. No, I want to talk about pearl and Oreo at him. No, no. I I I think the socks thing is because we don't as guys don't get a lot of and as far as fashion goes, a lot of room to play with like it's always just a suit opportunities for high with clothes.

4:56 I thought you were going to say it's always just a hoodie, but I do have another hoodie on. Yeah, I do like to accessorize a little bit every once in a while. I I don't have the moves that Will does. Um because you're not afraid of a scarf or something like that, are you Will? Or a crevat? No. Um, what's a crevat? Yeah, what is a crevat? Ascot, I guess. I don't know. You know, I get see the way he was so like trying to have patience with us Philistines that don't know. Well, what can I do? I mean, you know, I get I get roasted for it if I just, you know, just for my common parliament.

5:29 That's why I texted you because out of the three of us, you probably dress the best. You really do. Thank you very much. Thank you for saying that. Um, I No, I I I really take that as a comment and I did say to you, yes. I mean, I think that those shoes are okay. Yes. I said, "Give me the context where it is." And he said, "It's this thing. It's not a big deal." And it's in Chicago. And I said, "Then it's fine." Yeah. It's a big deal. All you heard was Chicago. And it's it's good then. Yeah. What's in Chicago? Yeah, it's fine. Yeah. Everything's fine in Chicago, doesn't it?

5:53 So, they're tennis shoes, though. I'm just kidding. No, all my friends in Chicago. It should be noted, love Chicago. We had a great time in Chicago. The three of us did. We did. Uh, and we love it. But Shnie, those are those are tennis shoes you're wearing with a with a suit or am I looking at the full outfit right now? Are is the hoodie part of the the No, no, the hoodie is just for the airplane. But what do you what is your opinion, Jason, about like gym shoes with a suit as opposed to like dress shoes? Those aren't gym shoes.

6:20 Stop saying gym shoes and suit pants. They're like, you know, they're they're I wore them on the tour. What do you call those? What do you call You give like rich guys a pro. Sorry. We'll be right with you, guys. Those are like adult contemporary. I call those adult contemporary shoes. I'm a rich guy with a yacht. I'm I'm a finance guy and I'm trying to be cool. And so my my wife got me some Tom Ford sneakers and I'm like, "Hey, look, I'm hip. I don't have time to think about it. I'm worried about numbers all the time." And then I'm wearing jeans and I'm wearing these kind of sneakers kind of thing.

6:52 And it's like, "Hey, listen. I'm wearing this suit jacket, but then I'm jeans under the desk and I've got these [ __ ] cool sneaks." Like, okay, just [ __ ] do it or don't. All right, let's get back to Why am I so mad about Jason? You know Jason gets it. You know I'm not mad. I just get wordad. I know you're you're about to get real pleased. Today we have a guest that is all things. She's an actor. She's a producer. She's a mom, a model, an Academy Award winner, a United Nations Messenger of Peace and a friend of ours.

7:22 She's been in 50 films but is younger than all of us. Let's find out how she gets it all done today on Smart List, shall we gang? Please welcome the one and only Charlies Theren. Oh my god. the deal. Hi Charlies. Hi. She's got a cute haircut and a cute sweater on. Cute haircut today. I do. It's a grow out. I don't think it's a haircut. It's a grow out. I don't like that grow out. And it's dark. Listener. It's looks real good. Dark. Yeah, it's super cute. Have I ever seen you dark? I think so. Or brunette. What do we call it?

7:59 Um, whatever you want. I mean, I'm not that picky about it. as she just put it right back into your court, JB. Yes, she did. She's got a sweater on that I think I wore in ' 84. She wears it real well. Let's bring those back. Yes. What about socks? Charlies, are you a socks? Uh, let me see. Here she goes. No socks. Nothing. No socks. Socks, no shoes, but you got a couple tats on there. No socks. Sean, quick eye there. You noticed, huh? Yeah. I'm fast. I'm fast. Um, how many tattoos do we have today? I have two. I'm proud to say you have a [ __ ] stamp. That's amazing.

8:39 It's right on the small of my back. It just says breathe. Yeah. What does it say? Breathe. Breathe. So, it's so it's working. So, it's like a PSA for whoever you're with. Um, uh, who? Uh, Sean. Will any tattoos from you two? Just killed Sean. That's hysterical. Sure. Sean's Sean's laughing cuz it's an idea. Tattoos, right? No tattoos from Will. Sean? No. I've always wanted to get one. When I was young, I wanted to get one on my bicep. My what? My bicep. And then what happened? It went away. So, you had no place to put it.

9:17 Um, I wanted to get Wendel. It would be one of those when you're waving. It speaks. It's like I know that's what's happening to me now at 53. I like I don't like to show my tattoos on because cuz both are on the my girls names on the inside of my arm there. I notice how I don't say bicep and then when I show it to somebody when they ask and then that that little bottom part of the arm just starts to wave at them. It's not good. I have my girls middle names on my arm too. Do you have in charcoal gray right here? On your but on your forearm.

9:46 On my forearm. Yes. Okay. So, let me ask you a actors with tattoos. Do you have to go through makeup when you're doing a movie to get like is it a pain in the ass to you got to get it covered up? I did for the first year of uh of Ozark and then I I said enough. Uh let's just say my guy's got tattoos. Who cares? What about you, Charlies? I I did this in charcoal gray, so it doesn't really photograph. It's super light. Um and so it doesn't you don't really you don't pick it up. And I have found as a producer that when they're light like this, it's easy to take them out in the DI. You don't have to put a ton of makeup. It's almost easier to just leave it alone if it's a light tattoo and there's also take it out in the DI but I think it started with Mike Tyson in uh in uh Hangover three, right?

10:29 Where uh you have to get the approval or the sign off of the person who does the tattoo otherwise they can sue the artist. Yeah. Or they can sue you later for like showing a painting that you haven't bought the license for or something like that. It's this world where like playing a song you got to pay for it. It's kind of remember when [ __ ] was free. Yeah. Right. Just remember when people didn't stress about [ __ ] that was stupid. Um Yeah, I do. Mhm. Oh, I didn't know that we're all drinking at the same time. Sorry, gang. Um All right.

10:59 It's nice to see you guys, by the way. It's been a long time. Yeah, it's been many, many years. Many years. I saw you. Remember when she was on Arrested Development? Sean, what was your favorite Sean? Remember when she was on Arrested Development? What was your favorite scene? God, it's one of my favorite episodes when she came in and he's never seen uh Arrested Charlies. It's a point of contention. She played a character named Rita. Rita who was Was she Charles? Were you I bet you don't even remember either. I don't You were a spy.

11:29 Or we thought you were a You thought you were thought I was a spy? Yes. Cuz I had a a very interesting British accent. I sounded very smart. Did you have a growing up in in in in South Africa, did you have an accent as a kid and got rid of it or what happened? Oh, yeah. No, I mean I I didn't speak English really until I was like 19. I really spoke I grew up in an area Yes. I grew up in an area where that's right. That's [ __ ] terrible. Wait wait. Come on, Brew. Come on, Brew. Come on, Brew. I know it's terrible. It's a very difficult accent to do South African.

12:07 very very difficult. Anyway, yeah, I didn't speak it. So, um I had it as an as a second language, but nobody in my neighborhood spoke English, but I went to ballet and um it was the Royal Academy of London. And so, we had these teachers from London and they couldn't speak. So, that was the only English I ever really heard was these two Brits. Oh, that's so yelling at us. And I would do exams not even knowing I was doing exams because I didn't understand what they were saying. So when I came here at 19, it was really kind of like learning the language and that's why it was easy for me to drop the accent because I was really learning English from scratch. I think English-speaking South Africans have a harder time.

12:46 Mhm. Because it's an ingrained accent that they're trying to break. I didn't have that. Ah, I see. So Africans is a completely different language. It's not it's not a it's not a Yeah. a severity of accent. Yeah. This is new information for you. Um Wow. And it it is a combination. There's about 44 people still speaking it. It's definitely a dying language. It's not a very helpful language. Do we know what it is? A combination of um Yeah. Dutch. I mean, we Yeah. So, we at pretty much all of Europe try to come in and and take over. So, but the Dutch language is predominantly what it's based on. And then there's some German in there. And then we've bastardized it.

13:27 So if I I understand Dutch, but when I speak Africans, a Dutch person will be like very hoidy toy about it and they'll be like, "I don't know what you're saying because we've kind of bastardized it. We flattened it out a little bit." They might even say that's a terrible terrible accent like you said to me. Wait, I'm an idiot. Did you Did you ever play a part where you had to do a South African accent? I did. Yeah, you did. Yeah. Probably super famous movie and I'm I'm a dumb dumb. No, it's not actually. It's uh Yeah, it was a film called The Last Face.

13:59 Uhhuh. Okay. Cuz I could talk to you for nine hours about Alien Prometheus right now, but because it's one of my favorite movies. I love it. Thank you, Scotty. Scotty's creeping in in the background for It did look like the door was opening. Oh, it's the dog. It's the dog. If it was Scotty on all fours just coming to listen. Um All right. Well, okay. So then you said you came here at 19. Um Charlies, let's go back. Um, so we're in South Africa. We decide to go to Now, ballet was not first. Was it modeling in Milan?

14:35 Well, I started dancing when I was really young and then I went to an art school for dance. And that's really what I wanted to do with my life. I just I I fell in love with dance. And I mean really what I fell in love with was storytelling, but I didn't know it then cuz technically I was never the strongest dancer, but when I was Swan Lake, I would [ __ ] die on the stage. And so I always got work because I I could Stop nodding, Sean. Okay, sorry. I mean, he's he's eagerly nodding. That's what I wanted. That's what I wanted to do with my life until I kind of couldn't and had to kind of rethink my life. And my mom was the one that pointed out that it was maybe more the storytelling aspect of it that I loved than the dance. And so she was the one that kind of put it together that maybe I should go and try acting, which was like the most stupid ignorant like we knew nothing nothing about how you would

15:27 even go about to be an actor. So how did you a one-way ticket to Hollywood? Literally bought me a one-way ticket to Los Angeles. No way. And I got off the plane and I had nowhere to s I I mean I just had no plan. I stayed at the farmer's daughter because the cab dropped on Fairfax. Yeah. And now it's cute. Back then it was like a by the hour. Yeah. Um I bought a bottle of bleach right across from the Vans and started cleaning that bathroom and I stayed there for like six months. I think I stayed there for an hour once.

15:58 Hey. Um now did you take uh acting classes right away? Not right away. I had a very strange experience where kind of like the Lana Turner, you know, soda fountain story where I was at a bank trying to cash a check from New York which was an out ofstate check and I couldn't cash it and this guy was trying to help me cash it and he ended up being a manager and um and he he signed me on which is just weird because I could barely speak English and that tells you everything about how we find our actors. Jersey these days. But anyway, he uh he told me about an acting class and I started going there like once what I could afford, which was like once a week at that time. And that was helpful because I knew nothing about acting. I I knew nothing. I didn't even know who actors were. Like I love Tom Hanks movies without knowing his name was Tom Hanks.

16:53 Well, God, there's so much in there. How long was he your manager? This guy. He was my manager for about four years. Wow. You're so lucky you found the actual manager that says, "Hey, young lady, I'm a manager." Like you you found a real one instead of like in my office isn't is in my van. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody said that. They were like, "This guy, this is what happens to everybody like you're going to end up in a ditch." And then somebody actually knew him who was in my car. His card was in my car for like months and they said, "Yeah, he represents John Hurt." And I was like, "Well, that's a real actor.

17:29 Okay." So I called him. Wow. And we will be right back. And now back to the show. Now when you So when you started going to these acting classes and you didn't really know what acting was, you said was your your experience with it and it starting to become comfortable to you. Did you have the sense like, oh well, they just kind of have a name for all these things that I'm just kind of naturally doing anyway? In other words, did you find a very natural approach to acting or or were you studying sort of like the technique and like going kind of dot to dot about how to act or did it just kind of come naturally to you? Cuz you're so good at it and you never really see you acting. It seems like it's very natural for you.

18:12 Oh, thanks Jason. I I think it was a natural ability. It's easy for me to escape. Like I think I used it in my childhood. It was a way for me to survive and it's where I've always found solace and I think of it as this, you know, amazing opportunity that I get to go and do whatever it is at that time material-wise that I just get to dive into completely. And I love that aspect of it and that is easy for me. But I didn't know how to break a script down and I didn't even know how to read a script and I didn't know about an arc necessarily, you know. So all of that stuff I had to learn and that's what this class was really helpful for because they they didn't just have um actors, they had writers, they had directors. So I was around people and I could see kind of you know it from a little bit higher in the ground. Not.

19:04 So, did you did you have a um an early experience with a with an actor or a director on a job where you saw them uh with the actor maybe breaking down their script or a director sort of did anybody was anybody a real helpful influence for you like actually at work as opposed to on a uh or in a class? Oh, yeah. I mean, I think yes, this class was helpful, but really ultimately I I became a student as I was working. I mean, I think that's always the best way to work. And I look at all of my experiences early on. I found great mentorship with producers and directors and writers and actors who really, you know, really just took me under under my wing. I'm here because of the grace of a lot of those people and kindness of a lot of those people because I was so eager and so, you know, I think they were entertained by me. Did you have a moment with one of them though where would there was that you remember now that you

20:01 kind of go back to and go that was a powerful moment somebody that I worked with director writer actor early on? Yeah. I mean I worked with this uh writer director John Herzfeld he it was my first film that I ever did and he and he was very kind you know he was very patient. I had to do a lot of stuff with with uh James Bader, who's lovely, but like he's a pro, you know, and he like shows up and he's ready to rock and roll. And I I think I was, you know, like 19 at the time. And uh he he there were moments where John really kind of like helped me, I think, get through a shoot that could have been tough because I was so inexperienced, you know? So, I'm grateful to him always. But then I got to work with Tom Hanks right after that and he was just [ __ ] lovely because with him it was just all about the joy.

20:50 He was just like lean into the joy, the joy, the joy. And then I also had like you know counter experiences like I love Taylor Hackford. I did um a film called uh uh Devil's Advocate with him with Alpacuccino and Kiana Reeves and that was a really big movie for me and he he loves he really encourages method and so everybody just you don't really have a choice like that's just kind of like how he makes I don't know now but that was back then. So explain for like for for Tracy the the the the non uh the non-entertainment people uh what method is. It's it's basically immersing yourself in the character in the world 24/7. And so you're never ever out of it. You stay in it. You your director will call you by the character name. You just you're kind of immersed in it the whole time. And those people are super fun to hang out with.

21:44 Yeah, that's exactly it. So I realized on that film that that was definitely not a process that was going to work for me. There was something so exhausting about it. My life was miserable. I wasn't happy. And then of course you worry because you're like well if I don't do that then maybe I won't be as good as the Marlon Brandos and the Monty Cliffs and you read all these biographies right and then I did some work non-method and I was actually really happy with the work and I think you could pop in and out. Yeah. I for me having the energy to be able to go uh a lot further in darker material is way more helpful than being exhausted. when I'm exhausted, I'm a little bit I'm just a tired like I almost like don't want to like go into the dark room. But I think when I So I I made it a real discipline. I think dance really helped me with this.

22:33 I I work and I leave it behind and I come home and I pick up my dog [ __ ] and I love my kids and I make pasta and drink a beer and like life is good. Well, you're so goddamn funny. I wish I wish you do more comedies. I'll bet I'll bet it's I bet they just don't come your way, right? I mean, is it it's just a question of like them not sending you a bunch of comedic stuff or are you talking to Sean? Yeah. Charlies, we'll be with you in one second. Um, like I, you know, there it's like, well, maybe you wouldn't mind being immersed in sort Well, I guess it depends on what sort of comedic character it would be, but going method on a comedy would not be as painful. I would I would suppose I think comedy is, you know, it's very much like a taste thing. Like I think you love c you love comedy because you find something funny and I think that's where I struggle sometimes.

23:26 Yeah, there's certain kinds of funny. Yeah. So like for me the reason why, you know, I I had just won the Academy Award for Monster and the first job I did was working with you guys on Arrested Development because Makes sense to me. I just thought this is such an an opportunity to work with these geniuses that I, you know, might never get again. I don't buy it. And then they were the geniuses weren't available so you came and worked with us. But you know Mitch was amazing and kind of like approaching me and saying like do you find this funny like let's if you find this funny we can figure something out. And that's kind of the comedy that I'm I don't want to I I don't think I can do comedy that I don't myself find funny. Like I loved working with the point gay guys and Seth Rogan on Longot. Like that was a movie that I really loved. I would make that movie over and over and over again because it was just hands down one of

24:18 the best experiences. Jonathan Lavine kind of shephered that thing and everybody was just I find them very funny. How great is Seth too. Hilarious. I remember how our minds were blown that you were coming to do the show. Remember, Will, we were just like, "Wait what? Charlie's Darren's coming here." Yeah. Yeah. It was It was a difficult It was difficult. I was so nervous. I'm going to tell you guys right now. I don't think Oh, yeah. We were petrified. I would say that's like my top five most nervous jobs I've ever done because people don't think of me as funny. So there's this version of like, oh, here comes the dramatic, you know, but that's going to like come and [ __ ] our show up.

24:56 Yeah. You were just playing this great character, you know, like it wasn't funny to her, you know, that was that was that brand of humor. Yeah. And that's I think that's the humor that I like. But I do feel pressure some like not pressure, but you guys are so good. So, I look at you guys and I go I I I when I watched you two and that whole cast, I have to say it's effortless. But I also know you guys have had been on the show for a while and you get into a thing. It's like there's nothing worse than being the new kid on the show. Like when you show up and it's like, right, but hopefully you saw how quickly we were all morons and it was just this big dumb family.

25:31 Idiots. I know. I I found you guys very impressive actually. Very impressive. We were very I remember just being like what just feeling so I I have a question though like you turned into George Michael. I really did. I did. I But I but what's kind of mind-blowing to me just hearing your story about coming here at 19 and not speaking English. You just kind of It's kind of mind-blowing that you jumped into these films like with these huge successful people right away where most actors stories are like I did this commercial and I tried to get a TV show. I couldn't do this. You know, your your journey was so quick.

26:06 No, I did. I did that. I just skipped over it. I did I did like Ross Dress for Less commercials. Oh, okay. Okay. And by that I mean I was like an extra in the back, you know, like not not featured but um No, trust me, I I was an extra in Children of the Corn 3. Oh okay. I uh I No, it was definitely not like, oh, here you go, be an actor. And what about like roommates? Did you have to find other actor room? Like how was the living situation and growing up? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I lived in a loft um with uh two other girls right next to the big five down in Samosente.

26:44 Oh sure. And lived there for years and it was a you know, like a one-bedroom loft just it was just a room and a bed, you know, coming out of the wall. And three of us lived there for for years. The bathroom was literally right next to the kitchen. And I just I would look at that toilet from the kitchen sink and I just said to myself, "Let this be the motivation. Let this be the motivation. We need to live somewhere where your toilet is right not next to the kitchen." That was like that was a huge motivation to You're still talking. Didn't you and Scotty put a toilet in the kitchen just to just to cut down the commute?

27:19 Just to cut down the commute. You can only put so much sloppy joe in your face before you know you just can't make it. They did the math. They did the math on how much time they waste going back and forth. They sat down. They had a meeting with their with their business manager. Oh, the truth is so funny sometimes. You're right. Chariz is still trying to catch a breath. We'll wait. We could trim it all out. I'm literally going to cry. Jesus Christ. Oh god. By the way, I've made these guys slappy jokes a couple times now. So maybe that's why.

28:05 Yeah. Well, I've heard about your Swedish fish and Yeah, I've listened to the show. The plug that a Swedish fish and a piece of sloppy joe can make. Um, so, um, Charize, um, the the cushy, uh, uh, uh, shooting situation there at 20th Century Fox when we were doing Arrested is nothing compared to the grueling location of say a Mad Max, right? I mean, walk us through. Was that t was it as tough as it looked out there doing Mad Max out in the middle of an Australian desert? I love that movie. Or or was there something really cush behind camera?

28:40 No, we shot it in uh, Namibia. Actually, we were originally going to shoot it in Australia and then ask him where Namibia is. Just ask him what side of Africa it's on. Do you know where Namibia is? Uh, that's over there on the uh on the left side if you're looking at it from West Coast. You're right. North. Oh, is it 50/50 chance? Yeah. Well, see the way I confuse you with the left and the north. I was It's a It's a beautiful place, Jason. Thank you. Yeah, it's really beautiful. Um, it's where it's the only place where lions and whales meet. Like you'll see lions walk on the beach and eat um you know discarded whales or No way.

29:19 Yeah, it's really it's a magical place. The there's places called you know skeleton coast and it's like it's pretty magical. I like that. It has like like dunes like it's just like sand dunes. I mean the desert is unbelievable. And we went there because the uh there was a flood. There was like a a rain monsoon that hit Australia right before as we were in pre-production and the whole red desert in Australia just ended up being wild flowers. So not very How long of a shoot was that? Like how many months? Oh, I just want to listen to this. So we had 140 cars that were made in Australia and they had to ship. They put them all on a boat and drove them on a on the water. What is that?

30:01 Oh my god. Sailed. Sailed them sailed them on the water all the way to Namibia. Anyway, uh what what were you asking Sean? I was just saying how long the reason why I don't know how long it is like you have to gear up mentally to be out of your house and your comfort zone because like when I hear about these like year-long shoots, I was like it's it so uproots your life. Obviously, we're all doing what we love to do, but it's how are you how do you cope with that with the uprooting? Jason, you got a I just try to think about the li what would the list look like in order of heartbreak of the things you would be missing Sean uh from home if you had to be shooting in in Namibia?

30:41 Like what what would be number one? You'd be like, gosh, I just don't know when I'd get my next Well, my it's my bed. My bed is like, you know, for the sleep like you want to sleep in your own bed and you want your bed with your fan and what do you like when you sleep? You need a fan running and what else? I need a fan. I need a pillow between my legs. I need two pill like a hard and a soft pillow in the thing. Like you know there's a bowl full of three musketeer minis within reach. Well, I got to wake up in the morning.

31:08 It gets me going. It's got to be within reach at any It can't be a king-siz bed. We're not going to get into Sean's rider right now. The point is But the point is like you have it is hard going away for Yeah. leaving town. It's really hard. I had my first kid. She was um she was literally I think six weeks old and I I got on a plane with her as a baby. I was a new mom and I was I mean I know Namibia a little bit because most of my family uh is from Namibia. Namibia used to be part of South Africa and then in the '9s it became independent. So Namibia was kind of familiar to me uh but not that familiar. But I also I mean I was I was crazy. I and Jason, don't get me started cuz I know I know what has to be done for you to go away. Yeah, I would have not I would have passed.

31:58 I can back you on that. I' I've been a part of it. It's [ __ ] pathetic. Jason, you can't Jason can't even move to the valley. Who Who are you [ __ ] kidding? Trust me, we had to shoot in the valley a couple of times and it was rough. It was rough for him. Nuh-uh. That is a word. But it was it was definitely long and it was the same scenery every single day. It wasn't as long as it went way longer than we thought. So, do you have to like mentally prepare like, okay, I'm going to be gone for this long. I need to this is what this is how it has to go. Whatever my what's in my room and like, you know, just so you can make it home cuz it's going to be your home.

32:33 I I I don't need a lot. I just like I think for me it was important just to know that I was safe because safety is a bit of an issue there. Yeah. And I had a new baby and that what became the biggest issue. You know, I was it was just me and Jackson in the house and I got broken in like, you know, 3:00 in the morning like five times. That was really scary. Me broken into while you're sleeping. Yeah. You can hear like Where were you staying in? Like a tent? No, I was staying at this really nice house. Like they have all these beautiful coastal homes like right on the water and they're gorgeous. I mean, it puts Malibu to shame, but unfortunately, you're bringing in a big production. There's money, and you were dealing with people who are living way below poverty, and so it's just it's a it's a recipe for disaster. So, that part of it was my biggest concern.

33:24 Um, and the people that you would ostensibly hire for security would be local. Yeah. Yeah. They were kind of they were kind of part of the problem. Yeah. I ended up feeling really safe because if you know the movie, the war boys, the majority of the war boys were actually real military, Australian military that George brought out. And so they um not to be confused with hot cops. Will got it, got it, got it, got it. Sorry. But I would text them when I would hear something. I would text them and literally like three minutes, three minutes later, I would see their flashlights coming in and I just kind of relied on them and they kept me safe the whole movie.

33:59 Right. Oh my god. And then you wake up. I mean that was a very physically like grueling part for you as well. Like and hot and dusty, right? It was actually cold. Really cold. Looks hot. Yeah. It was freezing. Um we had a lot of cases of uh hypothermia. The especially the young girls who only wear like bandages. Like a lot of them got hypothermia. I was freezing just cuz not when you don't have hair on your head, you forget like it's like a heat releaser. So it was really cold actually. Now, I'd rather freeze than sweat. I So, like that that sounds good to me. Absolutely.

34:34 Would you have been happier if it was 110? I I like it when I'm when I have to do like action. I like colder better, right? Yeah. Yeah. For sure. It's harder for me to have a lot of a ton of energy to like do fight scenes when it's like I just did this movie in Rome and it was one of the hottest summers. It was 115 degrees every single day. I and I I had to do these fight scenes out in like these Roman streets and I I I it was just like you couldn't keep fluid in your body. And were you wearing clothes and playing a character where you weren't supposed to be sweating? Like that that that's that's when the the heat is drag.

35:07 I mean I after a while I'm just like I that's like the last thing I'm [ __ ] thinking about. I'm just cramping. Yeah. I'm like that's like the last of my I'm like can I just be able to walk? Like your feet start cramping because you just have no fluid in your body. Mhm. So yeah, I definitely prefer a little so many action films. I mean, are are you must have been injured beyond any ability to recuperate and keep schedules going forward? I mean, are there any stories of of you just saying, "All right, that's it. Um, we're down for a couple of weeks."

35:41 No. With an injury? No. I don't know if it's stupidity or if it's just a high I have a high maybe a high tolerance for pain, but I I on the first old guard I tore this the tendon off this bone on my thumb. Um it got stuck in a in a in a guy's no um like a his um Yeah. And it just he moved and he ripped my whole thumb back. Oh my god. And I I I mean it was really painful and I just kind of you know when you have an injury you just kind of don't use it so much and so I just didn't use it so much but I had to do like three weeks uh of a big action sequence on a horse where I was riding with that hand and fighting with the right and so I was just in denial and then I came back and uh and had surgery. It was there was just floating. There was like nothing holding it.

36:29 And I just finished the second one now. I just came back uh like 10 days ago and I just had shoulder surgery two two days ago. No way. Sher's you're not you're not you're not old but you're not 50. No, I'm not. But you know I recover really fast and and I my body is in great shape. These are all just like superficial injuries. Like I actually my shoulder is actually great. My knees are great. How's your stunt double? Little Huh? How's your stunt double doing? Yeah. I mean, I bet you have the same. She does. She does. She does like, you know, I'm not going to do stupid hard falls down a staircase or like, you know, falling from a second. I don't do stuff like that, but But she is. Is she still okay?

37:10 Yeah, she's she's [ __ ] 24. I mean, nothing hurts at 24. What about Liam Niss's stunt double? He must be all banged up. My god, that poor bastard. It's fun to do this stuff. I like it. I really love it. It's You need a nice sitcom. You need a nice sitcom for I don't I think I'm I'm not quite ready. I I think like another maybe in another 10 years. Yeah. There's something so [ __ ] invigorating about hanging off the side of a helicopter. It's amazing. What about Didn't you kind of got injured when you put on all that weight for uh Sully, right?

37:43 I had more injuries on that movie. Yes. Just from gaining weight. I I herniated a disc in my lower back cuz I just had that happen. Well, I gained like 50 pounds and then I had to wear a pregnancy belly that Jason Wrightman, the director, thought would be a good idea to make the actual size, the weight of a actual. So, it weighed like another 40 lbs and then he put me in a fitting and I had to put shoes on over and over and just, you know, from bending and putting on shoes, I herniated the disc in my lower back and that's been the worst injury I've ever had.

38:15 Wow. We'll be right back. All right, back to the show. Can I tell you something? This is a true story. Okay. Uh, first of all, you Well, we're going to listen harder then. Thanks for stop lying. Go ahead, Joe. This is a true story. I was sitting there watching because you have this un unbelievable ability to, like we spoke about earlier, to lose yourself into every character you play. It's very rare that you know there's Philip Seymour Hoffman who was just like transformative. There's you, who's always transformative. It's just in an incredible feat. So, I'm sitting there with Scotty, my husband, watching Bombshell. I swear to God, I'm not making this up. And like half hour, 40 minutes in, I'm like, I thought, where the [ __ ] is Charlie Staren? I thought she was in this movie. And he's like, God you're what? You idiot. That's her. And I'm like, as Megan Kelly, I'm I was blown away. I mean, you look like her. You

39:15 sounded like her. What's so funny you guys? I think it's like amazing. I don't [ __ ] them. I'm enjoying this moment. Sean, I'm just looking at your screen right now. It's just me and you. I That's all I wanted to say. I don't have a question. I was just like I really truly was like I thought Charlize was in this movie. That's nice. That's her. It is pretty impressive. I mean, it was mind-blowing. What about this new thing, the uh School for Good and Evil? Uh what are you doing in that? And what why' you want to do it? What what what about it? Was it Paul Feige? Because he's a good dude. Yeah, he did our he did a couple of episodes of our um Arrested Development. Yeah.

39:48 Yeah. He's such an amazing guy. I also just, you know, I have two young kids now, seven and 10, and they're going to have to be like at least, you know, 52 to see any of my work. So, there is a level of wanting to make stuff for them because they they love this world, this kind of fantasy world. And um it was also, oh, [ __ ] man. It was like towards the end of our lockdown and I was going stir crazy. I was homeschooling the two of them and I obviously couldn't take a job because I didn't want to move them, you know, just it would just wasn't the right time to move a whole family somewhere. So, it was a twoe job up in Belfast and they got me back in 14 days and my mom took the kids and so that was nice too.

40:32 But yeah, mostly it I did it for them. I I want, you know, there's something I don't know, there's something about, you know, kids that no matter who you are, you want to impress them. Like, they're not impressed by Megan Kelly. Like, they're not impressed by And it's also proof of like, well, this is, you know, mom is busy, but I I swear I'm busy doing stuff. I I swear like here's something you can see. It's proof. Yeah. Well, they see the posters when we drive to the bus. They never see the movies, right? But they always see the posters and they spend time on set and things like that, so they think they know what the movie is. And uh it's really funny when they're like they see the poster and they just go, "Well, I don't know if that is the movie that I saw you make."

41:12 Right. How do you manage to do all of this work and still be such a great mom? Because I know you put in incredible time uh and focus uh to being an incredible mother. Um and I know that you've got incredible help from your mother who is an incredible woman. Um, but like but as I said in the in the intro, 50 films, like it takes a few months to do a movie, especially when you're the lead like you always are. Like the math doesn't even work out. I I don't know how you've gotten all that done and still been, you know, well, I've been producing for, you know, close to two decades now and I think that's really helped just taking some agency and making my own schedule. And so I really don't make anything like I don't make any big movies unless I you know I push it into the summer where I can take my whole family like we all went to Rome for 4 months and but you know I get my kids back for school but you're right I can't do it

42:05 without my mom. Um and I I'm always very vocal and and acknowledging that uh I am co-parenting with her. And so that's kind of unusual for people to hear but that is the truth. She really is is very much a co-parent. I love that. Yeah, it's amazing. I'm so lucky. I'm so lucky. How much of how much because your mom's been there obviously the whole time and and you are so close to her. How much do you talk to her about uh what choices you make uh as a you know, sort of artistically as a producer or as a as an actor? Do you have a relationship like that at all? Do you go like, "Hey, I'm thinking about doing this thing. What do you think?" Do you take do you sound stuff off of her in that way too or No. So, when I started, she was definitely she was way more opinionated. I mean, she definitely she's she's very direct. Um, Jason, you've met her. She's very funny. She's very direct. She's kind of she's a

43:00 broad. She's very very brassy and loud and she loves to swear and she's just very honest. So, in the beginning when I started, there was a lot of like wanting her approval, but she would go and see some of my movies and just be like, "That's a piece of shit." before you even out of the theater. Yeah. And I was like, "You should come out." And you could just tell on her face, she was like, "That is not good." Um, but I appreciate it so much from her. It's kind of our relationship. I remember as a dancer, too. When I was little, like I would have a competition or something. She was never the parent that would sugarcoat it.

43:35 Mhm. She wasn't like abusive about it, but she was very honest. I knew that when she said something was good, I was like, "Fuck, that was then that was really good." Yeah. you know, like I really believe that more than the negative stuff. It becomes like a real barometer for you. I can really trust her. So, it's not so much I mean, I tell her obviously because she's part of it. I have to like clear her tennis and golf schedule out here so that she can like, you know, pack up and move with me. But, uh, yeah, she likes a lot of stuff. I mean, she loves she loves like the long shots.

44:08 She likes those kind of movies way more. Yeah. Yeah. Uhhuh. But she loved this movie, this this fantasy movie, this um the school for good and evil. She really loved it. Can't wait to see that. She's a big golfer. Big golfer. We we need to big golfer and a really big tennis player. She's super athletic. She's going to be 70 next year, but she plays with 30 year olds. I mean, she's ridic. She takes my dogs and her dogs. Wow. Wow. Then she goes and she walks 18 holes and then she plays tennis. No golf, no tennis for you.

44:40 I I only play golf with her and usually just on Mother's Day and I but I love tennis but tennis is like a later sport that I just learned because I had to find something for cardio because I couldn't really run anymore and so I found tennis and I was like this is great cardio and I enjoy it. Tennis is great. We play a lot of golf. Jason and I play golf not pickle ball. I mean no I mean isn't that like what old people play? Yes, I think so. But sweeping the nation just cuz it's easy. Americans really love to [ __ ] glom.

45:10 Do you guys play pickle ball? Uh I I have played. Sean's got a pickle ball court and a toilet right in the middle of the court. I'm up for pickle ball. I would love to learn. I've played before. I've played pickle ball before. It ruins your tennis game. I don't advise it if you like tennis cuz you it engages the wrist too much. I like ping pong. I used to play paddle a lot. Anybody like ping pong? Oh, I love ping pong. I have a ping pong table in my backyard. Are you trying to like just bring up stuff that you don't have to move at all?

45:34 Yeah. Just my just my upper body. Xbox. What about that? I play TV. I like watching TV. Um Um, now you you you you're you seem like such a a brave person. What What scares the hell out of you? What are you most afraid of? Uh what's like your Great question. You do seem like a very brave person, but earned earned bravery though. You know, it's not fame. I kind of threw up in my mouth a little bit there. Spit it out. I mean, moving when you're 19, you can't speak English. You're making that like Yeah. I mean a lot of that when I think back and now that I have kids I'm like that was just I feel like I you know if I didn't come out of the circumstances that I did no my mom would have never done anything like that and I don't think I would have done anything like that but I came out of very complicated circumstances you know I didn't really there wasn't a lot of choice it was like swim or drown like what are you going to

46:23 do stay yeah you're tough though you seem very you're very tough like you have this you can kind of see it you have this kind of resolve this inner resolve that come for me anyway I've felt like it's always shone through and you seem I'm like, "Oh, yeah. Yeah, she's on top of her [ __ ] She's very but like don't talk to her." Yeah. What about like bees? Cuz like bees bees will turn me into somebody I don't want to be seen. I think I've seen you like scream like a girl be I think I have. Yeah. And I'll just run. I'll just I'll just disappear like with like a rocket flare like a cartoon character. Just I'll just I'll tell you, I saw a cockroach yesterday and I did not handle it well.

47:01 Yeah. I'm not good with those kind of things. I did not handle it well. I I really could not I didn't know what to do with it. I didn't want to kill it, but I also didn't want it to live. I was really I was very really torn. And then I just the idea of stepping on it I couldn't. It was like what then what did you do then? I made somebody else do it. Yeah. You called somebody in and did you and did you did you instruct them not to kill it? Group of people. No, this this one lady was really brave. She just she stepped on it. She took her shoe off and just did it.

47:28 I was very grateful. Yes. Is there anything is there anything within sort of what you the realm and you know the bigger scope of what you do? So again as a sort of as an actor or a producer or a writer director whatever is there anything that you can think of that you think that seems scary for me to do. Um would you dance or sing? I mean I would dance. I would love to dance. I I don't know. I don't think I would sing. I'm a terrible singer. Um me too. Yeah. And I'm I'm very uncomfortable singing. Like I break out in hives. Uh that's why Jason Wrightman always makes me sing in his movies cuz it's he just loves torturing me.

48:05 But um I don't know. I mean I listen I was really I was really worried scared. I was scared of doing Megan Kelly. I really I that you know that's it's one of those things where you're like hoping for the best and you try and do as much work as possible but there's no guarantee, right? And it's like you go you're like four or five weeks in and you still don't sound like her. and I did the first round of prosthetics and I looked like Glen Close. Like it was weird. Like I'm I don't know if this is going to work out. And so you feel like you kind of feel like you're out on a limb and you're I was like this can this can definitely go very wrong. Like I definitely felt that.

48:44 How about when in Prometheus when you just lit some guy up on fire? That was like you had like a fire machine and the guy was standing a flamethrower. Was it a fire machine or whatever it was called? Well, I didn't really do that. But that Oh, you didn't? You had a fire gun. You had like a fire. You know, they actually that one did. It did light up minus like there was nobody in front of me, but it did light up. I think they did one where it kind of lights up a little bit and that was pretty. Oh, so that wasn't you just like blowing him to bits like that, lighting him on fire.

49:12 No, they added that later. Oh wow. I'm so sorry, Shirley. Holy [ __ ] [ __ ] I love that movie so much. You do? That's so sweet. Oh my god. Welcome to FanFest. Uh, you know, I I love that you go between Megan Kelly and that that's that's I've seen Prometheus like 10 times. I love it. Um, and you know, Fast Bender is pretty amazing. I I did a deep dive on YouTube about it because the engineer I don't know you're never mind. These guys are going to fall asleep and finish it. I want to know. I don't know if this is true or not cuz Ridley Scott had I don't know if it's true but I heard that he had this original script that explained kind of the whole they gave this engineer this dialogue that explained the whole movie but he cut it which was that the in the Bible when Jesus wasn't there for however many years cuz you know the Bible cuts from when he was a kid to 30 that these engineers these aliens came

50:05 picked him up brought them to their planet taught them how they should teach humanity brought them back and then that's what he tried to do but they failed And that's why these aliens want to come back and wipe it out because it's gotten so bad. And you heard this where what online somewhere something. I can't verify that for you. I That's really interesting. It's fascinating, isn't it? And if it's not true, it's a good idea. It's a great idea. The world is round, too, Sean. It's It's round. I swear. But anyway, I think some some some listeners right now are are like touching themselves.

50:37 Like, you know, people really appreciate that kind of knowledge. So, thank you for sharing. Oh, I thought they've been touching themselves. Like, am I [ __ ] here? Is this this is this actually did I just pass out? What am I Did I Yeah. I didn't know if you knew if you heard that if that was true. No, you know why? Cuz she doesn't spend her time on Reddit with you and Scotty going [ __ ] putting in Prometheus [ __ ] theories. Scotty, we should get to bed. It's 4:00 a.m. But look at this thread. Look at this [ __ ] thread. [ __ ] [ __ ] man.

51:12 That stuff is fascinating to me. I know, Angel. All right. Um, Charlies, you're the greatest. You're the best ever. You guys, I really love this show. Congratulations. I listen to it all the time when I was stuck waiting to pick my kids up. It's a joy to listen to you guys. You're really funny. Thank you. Thanks, sweet. And thank you for having me. I I guess you ran out of people. Every time I would listen to it, I thought, "Yes, we're on the Between Jason and Will." Between both of you, I couldn't. But that's that's how we say it in um that's I was like, "Wow." I'm like, "You guys must have like really cleared your list."

51:52 Even you, Sean, I know you too. Like, what the [ __ ] happened? Can I tell you something? Can I tell you something right now? 17. What? Can I tell you something right now? You've been on my list since day one. And obviously Jason, you were on Jason's list as well. Yeah. And I was like, "No, I get it." So, Vil is the one that we uh No, no, no. I had a different list and I and then it just I don't know. I I didn't have a pen. I didn't end up having a pen. Well, thank you for having me, you guys. We love you. Have a great rest of the day.

52:19 Love you right back. You guys, too. Thank you for doing this. All right. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. That was so funny. Um, I love that. What is that theory for Prometheus? That is that is that really what it was about? Well, I mean it there's this one guy's thing. He said he got a copy of the script and like that that the whole point of the aliens wanting to wipe out Earth is because we're not getting it right. We're making the Earth worse. Why? Why are you encouraging him to tell it again? He just is repeating what he just fascinated that you just like go in and look for meanings of like when you saw Charlie in the Chocolate Factory.

52:55 You did you do a deep dive for the meaning? Pretty much straightforward. That's just from the book. It's one of my favorite movies. Charlie and the Chocolate Fac the original. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I love that. I love that movie, too. Um, great get. Now, that was just great to have our buddy Charize on. How do you know her, Jason? I didn't know you knew her so well. Just from Arrested in a movie. Did you guys make a movie together? Oh, that's right. And we also did Wait, did I do Hancock before or after Arrested?

53:21 After. After. After. Yeah, after. Um, yeah, that was really, really fun. That was a my first maybe only um big budget movie. That was pretty impressive seeing that whole big superhero end. Yeah, that was a huge movie that you did and and uh but yeah, she came and did it five episodes of Arrested Development, something like that. The most Canadian pronunciation of five. I ran into her at the airport when she was nominated for Monster. She was making the rounds and and uh I was doing Press Two and there was this room and what were you doing press for Sean? Will and Grace or something and um and we had just done Oprah the like the same day and I saw her at the airport and I did this big dance for her and she looked at me like I At the airport you did?

54:04 Yeah. Just trying to make her laugh and she was like what's wrong with you? Like she did you have time to get into it? Did you have time to get into what was wrong with you? Because I if you if you were late for a flight, you must not have had time to get to answer that. Oh right. Like what's wrong with you? But remember she had so she did the show we had and we had also had um remember we had Patty Jenkins the year before who directed Monster directed. Yeah. She was awesome. Wait, Patty Jenkins directed Arrested Development too.

54:35 Yeah. Who went on to do the Wonder Woman films and etc. Yeah. Who's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Had great directors. We sure did. The Russo. What's the name of the show? Oh man. Oh my god. It's so Should we come over? Why don't we We should come over. Well, we'll go over to Sean's house. We'll watch some Arrested Development and then you come over to one of our houses. We'll watch Will and Grace together. Yeah, we'll watch Will and Grace. That sounds like a fun. We'll make a new podcast out of it. You know, a little watch through and we'll we'll sign we'll sign a contract that we each We're all going to watch it and that contract will be binding binding.

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Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "RE-RELEASE: Charlize Theron | SmartLess"?

Antipater (Antipot), son of Jason (Host), George Will (Host), Positive Sean (Host), Arnette (Ambiguity: surname / nickname) (Guest).

What is discussed in "RE-RELEASE: Charlize Theron | SmartLess"?

In order: 0:00 George Will, Positive Sean, Good Night Oscar, Chicago; 5:00 Charlize Theron, George Will, Ozark, Chicago; 10:00 Ballet, South Africa, Arrested Development, Prometheus; 15:00 Tom Hanks, James Bader, Fairfax, Hollywood; 20:00 Monster, Arrested Development, Devil's Advocate, Tom Hanks; 25:00 Namibia, Australia, Sloppy Joe, George Michael; 30:00 Namibia, AJ Jackson, Hot cops, Malibu; 35:00 Arrested Development, Megan Kelly, School for Good and Evil, Sully; 40:00 Tennis, Megan Kelly, School for Good and Evil, Belfast; 45:00 Prometheus, Megan Kelly, Glen Close, Paddle; 50:00 Monster, Arrested Development, Prometheus, Monsters, Inc.; 55:00 Michael Grant Terry, SmartLess.

What is mentioned in this SmartLess episode?

119 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Charlize Theron, Antipater (Antipot), son of Jason, George Will, Positive Sean, Monster, Arrested Development. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "RE-RELEASE: Charlize Theron | SmartLess"?

The episode runs 56 min; the transcript is about 11,489 words in 87 timestamped sections.

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