RE-RELEASE: Tina Fey | SmartLess

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 5:00: Esquire, Hamilton, Mean Girls, Peacock
2. 5:00 – 10:00: Chicago, Second City, Adam McKay, Brian Stack
3. 10:00 – 15:00: Mean Girls, Second City, Talk show, The Office
4. 15:00 – 20:00: 30 Rock, Date Night, Steve Carell, The Office
5. 20:00 – 25:00: Reese's, 30 Rock, Hugh Hefner
6. 25:00 – 30:00: Dracula, Van Helsing, New York, New York, Second City
7. 30:00 – 35:00: 30 Rock, Multicam, Cheers, Friends
8. 35:00 – 40:00: Neil Simon, 30 Rock, Blake Edwards, Harry Potter
9. 40:00 – 44:59: Toronto, Chicago, Madison, Arrested Development

Notable quotes from "RE-RELEASE: Tina Fey | SmartLess"

• Tina, Tina, Tina, Tina, Tina, Tina. She wrote Mean Girls. She wrote everything.

  about Mean Girls · at 2:31

• And I'm such a huge fan in awe of your talent. You started in you moved to Chicago in early 90s. I Let me think. Yeah. 90 I graduated in '92.

  about Chicago · at 6:29

• Right? Yeah. In the BS, but I was always downtown Chicago. Always around the I had some friends at Second City. I'm just surprised we never in the bus station. In the bus station. Yeah. Wait.

  about Friends · at 7:52

• Foot red head that we can put that we can give a talk show to? I was like no he was around the office being funny around the office and that's the same thing happened here. He…

  about The Office · at 12:53

• One day and then you, you shoot like 38 of a page. Like there's the worst. And TV, you did 30 Rock. you guys would jam through the you'd have those huge packed days with just…

  about 30 Rock · at 17:41

• Opportunity to mention, you said chocolate, Jason, for us to mention Reese's. Jason's been asking me to reach out to the people at Reese's cuz he wants free peanut butter cups…

  about Reese's · at 21:23

• That's from high school theater. yes. So, okay. In my high school, I played Van Helsing in Dracula because feminism. Did you borrow Paula's Gray Spray? I probably did. Nice call back.

  about Dracula · at 25:51

• Any thoughts? I imagine you're going to book the guest for our Toronto stop for our tour, our tour, which listener it does look like it's firming up. It does look like we're gonna we're gonna actually do this and we're going to go to a few.

  about Toronto · at 42:22

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Adam McKay — Person · 2 mentions · first at 8:32
  Is that kind of the idea? Adam McKay.
• Van Helsing — Person · 2 mentions · first at 25:55
  That's from high school theater. yes. So, okay. In my high school, I played Van Helsing in Dracula because feminism. Did you borrow Paula's Gray Spray? I probably did. Nice call back.
• Neil Simon — Person · 2 mentions · first at 36:31
  Know. You know what I wish one of us should write is like someone should try to be Neil Simon, right? Like someone should write a play. I nominate you. As if that's easy to do…
• Brian Stack — Person · 1 mention · first at 7:08
  Sure. And a bunch of other people that only Amy Polar and I know. but like Kevin Dorf and Brian Stack and Miriam Tol and all those guys. Dr.
• Dana Carvey — Person · 1 mention · first at 8:19
  Glazer. I was Glazer's understudy. I was John Glazer's understudy. Yeah. And then he left to do Dana Carvey, right? Yes.
• Marci Klein — Person · 1 mention · first at 8:44
  Writer's packet to him because I had been on stage at Second City and Lauren Michaels and Marcy Klein had come to scout talent and zero interest in me as a performer. So I was…
• Tina Fey — Person · 1 mention · first at 11:31
  Too where you come out and people are Oh my god, this is going to be so good. Because it's you. It's Tina Fey who's always [ __ ] funny and always delivers. So I think people…
• Steve Carell — Person · 1 mention · first at 18:30
  I was doing I think I started it. I remember I was on the set of Date Night with Steve Carell and I just had like a notebook on the set. I was Yeah, I guess I said I would write this book.
• Hugh Hefner — Person · 1 mention · first at 20:23
  Who needs Hugh Hefner anymore, right?
• Blake Edwards — Person · 1 mention · first at 37:01
  Know, like California Sweet and California Sweet, Goodbye Girl is one I like and the Blake Edwards stuff. yeah, what about them? Those big commercial films, someone's got to write them, Tina. They don't write themselves. Nobody goes to that.
• Chuck Martin — Person · 1 mention · first at 41:01
  Monday we had to be at work early. You and I were in that scene. You remember we had the Emmy those guys Chuck Martin brought his on set. We were so excited that we won…
• Alison Arngrim — Person · 1 mention
• Amy Poehler — Person · 1 mention
• Bon Jovi — Person · 1 mention
• Busy Philipps — Person · 1 mention
• Chevy Chase — Person · 1 mention
• Chris Redd — Person · 1 mention
• Colin Jost — Person · 1 mention
• Conan O'Brien — Person · 1 mention
• Horatio Sanz — Person · 1 mention
• Jason Sudeikis — Person · 1 mention
• Jimmy Fallon — Person · 1 mention
• John Glaser — Person · 1 mention
• Justin Theroux — Person · 1 mention
• Keenan Thompson — Person · 1 mention
• Kevin Dorff — Person · 1 mention
• Lorne Michaels — Person · 1 mention
• Meredith Scardino — Person · 1 mention
• Miriam Tolan — Person · 1 mention
• Nellie Oleson — Person · 1 mention
• Paula Pell — Person · 1 mention
• Positive Sean — Person · 1 mention
• Rachel Dratch — Person · 1 mention
• Renée Elise Goldsberry — Person · 1 mention
• Sara Bareilles — Person · 1 mention
• Seph Meyers — Person · 1 mention
• Will Ferrell — Person · 1 mention

Books & papers

• 30 Rock — Book · 6 mentions · first at 17:46
• Dracula — Book · 4 mentions · first at 25:55
• The Office — Book · 3 mentions · first at 12:56
• Mean Girls — Book · 2 mentions · first at 2:34
• Friends — Book · 2 mentions · first at 7:56
• Will & Grace — Book · 2 mentions
• Hamilton — Book · 1 mention · first at 4:57
  Actress and then Renee Lee Goldsberry who you know from oh I don't know [ __ ] Hamilton will Jesus you get the look off your face. Are you saying that?
• Date Night — Book · 1 mention · first at 18:28
  Was like doing 30 Rock at the same time I was doing I think I started it. I remember I was on the set of Date Night with Steve Carell and I just had like a notebook on the set. I was Yeah, I guess I said I would write this book.
• Cheers — Book · 1 mention · first at 30:10
  Multicam, there's a live studio audience. That's when you hear laughing like Cheers and Will and Grace and Friends and Seinfeld and all those.
• Seinfeld — Book · 1 mention · first at 30:12
  Audience. That's when you hear laughing like Cheers and Will and Grace and Friends and Seinfeld and all those.
• Star Wars — Book · 1 mention · first at 37:25
  Of these film franchises, which one would it be? And it was like Marvel, Star Wars, like Harry, all Harry Potter, like all these. And I was Wait, that's what it's become?
• Harry Potter — Book · 1 mention · first at 37:27
  Would it be? And it was like Marvel, Star Wars, like Harry, all Harry Potter, like all these. And I was Wait, that's what it's become?
• The In-Laws — Book · 1 mention · first at 37:51
  Yes. That's what I'm saying. Nobody's making comedy films. No one's going to make, the in-laws now. The original in-laws. Nobody's going to make No, nobody's making You can't…
• Rushmore — Book · 1 mention · first at 37:57
  Original in-laws. Nobody's going to make No, nobody's making You can't make Rushmore today. Nobody's making Rushmore. You'd make it for Netflix, I guess. But I'm fine watching…
• Arrested Development — Book · 1 mention · first at 40:47
  We can keep it. My you know the first time Jason you know this story the we were coming back the Arrested Development had won the comedy the Emmy for best comedy and 2004…
• Bossypants — Book · 1 mention
• California Suite — Book · 1 mention
• Parks and Recreation — Book · 1 mention
• The Goodbye Girl — Book · 1 mention

Companies & orgs

• Second City — Company · 6 mentions · first at 6:51
  You start second city, right? Yeah. So I went to UVA kind of randomly and then I went to Chicago and I started improv Olympic first and class at the second city and that's where I met Amy Per.
• Esquire — Company · 1 mention · first at 1:38
  Just tackles it. Thorough talked me into it. And then you look at Theorough's arms. He's on the cover of Esquire or Justin Theorough. Thank you. That Jesus.
• Peacock — Company · 1 mention · first at 4:11
  Well, I just we have a I produced a show called Girls Five Eva that comes out on Peacock on May 6. Wait, what's it called? It's called Girls Five Eva.
• University of Virginia — Company · 1 mention · first at 6:43
  Spring of '92. I graduated from the University of Virginia. So I think I moved in the fall of n 1992. Yes. Yeah.
• Fox — Company · 1 mention
• ImprovOlympic (iO Theater) — Company · 1 mention

Products & tech

• IMAX — Product · 1 mention

Concepts & topics

• Talk show — Concept · 2 mentions · first at 12:55
  Over town being like where's a pasty 7 foot red head that we can put that we can give a talk show to? I was like no he was around the office being funny around the office and…
• Multicam — Concept · 2 mentions · first at 30:02
  Tina because of your theater background, would you ever want to do multicam? Now, for the audience, the difference between multicam and single cam is single cam, there's no audience.
• Single-cam — Concept · 1 mention · first at 30:05
  Multicam? Now, for the audience, the difference between multicam and single cam is single cam, there's no audience.
• Influence — Concept · 1 mention
• Showrunner — Concept · 1 mention

Places & events

• Chicago — Place · 6 mentions · first at 6:35
• Toronto — Place · 3 mentions · first at 42:26
• Wisconsin — Place · 2 mentions · first at 9:07
  Yeah. Yeah. But also for Wisconsin, there is a you can either be a performer or a writer on Saturday Night Live and sometimes you make the leap. You get hired as a writer like Sedakus. I.
• New York, New York — Place · 2 mentions · first at 27:27
  Back. and so John, because he was like he was Oh, he takes rock singing lessons in New York. Like he was a cool guy. He was not an athlete. And so there's a scene where there's…
• Madison — Place · 2 mentions · first at 42:49
  Right? E, we can say that. Yeah. And then some New York and some Boston, some Chicago, some Madison, some LA. Is that right? I think that's right. Yeah. We end up So, who would…
• Pennsylvania — Place · 1 mention · first at 6:48
  So you're from Pennsylvania and then you move I know. So you moved to Chicago.
• Venice — Place · 1 mention · first at 41:10
  That we won improbably because we were such a lowrated show. And I'm driving to the Fox lot from Venice and my mom calls and I like it was like 6:00 am LA time and I've been up…
• Canada — Place · 1 mention · first at 42:05
  Jesus. That's Canada. Oh, Lord. That's Canada. That's what I grew up in. Oh, bless. And I love Canada. I love it to death. And I grew up like that, too.
• Los Angeles — Place · 1 mention

Sponsors

• Reese's — Sponsor · 3 mentions · first at 21:26

Full transcript with timestamps

0:05 Sean, you'll never guess what we're going to do today. Are we going to record an episode? Did I just guess it right? Uh, well, first man, how many times? Baby steps. First thing we're going to do is we're going to welcome our audience and we're going to say, "Oh, welcome to Welcome to Smart." Try to do it in time. Okay. Sorry. One more time. One, two, three. On three. No, the moment's gone. Three. Oh. Welcome to smart listen smart.

0:48 Speaking of hydrating, uh did you do you run six miles yet today, baby? No. No, it'll be after this. I didn't think so. Just looking at you, I didn't think so. I'm holding a little water right now. Yeah. Mhm. It's going to be after this session. So, I got a real tight. I got a heart out in uh 55 minutes. I was on my I was boxing today. I did my you know, I'm doing this this thing boxing at home. I mean, I know. Listen, it's a tough guy thing. Obviously, you box at home like in your garage. Yeah, like just with boxes. Like I'm just putting boxes together. Beautiful. What did you think I meant?

1:23 Do you don't really have You're not one of those dorks with a with a a heavy bag hanging in your garage. E, that's gross. Are you really have one? It's It's not hanging. It's on a stand. I got one of these things. He's on the ground. He just tackles it. Thorough talked me into it. And then you look at Theorough's arms. He's on the cover of Esquire or Justin Theorough. Thank you. That Jesus. Why haven't we had Justin on the show yet? Because we want to talk about him more. We We haven't talked about him enough on the show to then have him on.

1:51 I would like I met him like once or twice. Such a nice guy, but I don't know him like you guys do. I would love to. Well, will which one of us uh they can't really be surprised. One of us has got to Well, one of us is going to get on it and the other one's going to be surprised that the other one did it first. Look, anyway, we got to get to our guest. Our guest is an incredible writer, performer, started as a performer, became a writer, then started becoming a performer again. And the second I mention one of the things you're going to be like, I know exactly who this is. We've talked a lot over the episodes with people who have been on SNL. Uh we haven't had anybody who's been on the anchor desk. This person was uh on the anchor desk for many years.

2:31 Tina, Tina, Tina, Tina, Tina, Tina. She wrote Mean Girls. She wrote everything. She did everything. Tina, hi my three buddies. How are you? Oh, look at her. She's outside. You can't say anything. and then not know that it's Tina. Hi. Hi. Wait, are you in Is that an outside area of your apartment that I never saw the outside? No, I have a I have a a a weekend home now since the last I saw you, Sean. There's no apartments in the Hudson Valley. No, she weekends in the Hudson Valley. This is Yeah, this is her weekend home. It's my weekend home. Um Tina, do you and I have the exact same frames? Um I think yours look black and white. Mine look are a little tortoisey.

3:15 And can I tell you something? Just just so you know, like something what I'm dealing with here. There's a incredibly passive aggressive 9-year-old out here with me who will not vacate the area really. And she's playing some basketball, which is like she this is probably the first day in her life that she's chosen to play some basketball and it's during this podcast. But that's okay. It's it's a great it's great ambient sound. Incoming. Incoming. It's great ambient sound. So Tina, so Tina, tell me what So yes, we've all been at home for the last year or some version of home or in one of our many homes. One of our many many homes. So relatable.

3:53 But but do you do you So what what does that mean for you right now getting back to it because you're always I always feel like you're always create I know you've just created a new show. Yeah. Right. That's about to start. Uh yeah. Well, I just we have a I produced a show uh called Girls Five Eva that comes out on Peacock on May 6. Wait, what's it called? It's called Girls Five Eva. Yeah. And it's a comedy. It's super funny. It's got It's It starts you out with a laugh. There we go. Yeah. Girl, the title. It's about a bunch of women who were in sort of a Danny Kain level girl group around 2000 and then I love that. Their song gets sampled now and they they're like, "Should we We're all 40. We should get our band back together, right? And it stars uh Good idea. That's really funny. Yeah, it's really funny. It's Meredith Gardino is the creator on it and uh it stars Sarah Bareilles who is a delight and her voice

4:48 is ridiculous and um she's incredible and also she's like a lovely natural actress and then Renee Lee Goldsberry uh who you know from oh I don't know [ __ ] Hamilton will Jesus you get the look off your face. Are you saying that? You were saying that because I'm the only I for so long I was the only person who hadn't seen it and it was my badge of honor because I was like I want to see a [ __ ] musical. Stop telling me it's so great. It's a musical. I don't get it. I did see it. It was great. Yeah, it was great. It was great. Yeah, it was great. I was wrong. Um and then wait, let me tell you the other two ladies. Bizzy Phillips. Sure. She's great. And American treasure Paula Pel.

5:27 Oh, she's the best. Oh my god. Paula Pel. We were just talking about politics. Paularil was a writer on Saturday Night Live forever and now and not now but always kind of an actress and now but people are finally recognized her. So that's great. Well, she sort of, you know, we always joke with Paul that she finally aged into her type because she was always the kid at like 12 years old. She was in the play with gray spray in her hair and uh that's now she's like she's her actual type now. Gray spray acting. Paula must just rire of gray spray for 30 years of her life. Sure. So, so Tina, let we we have to do this because uh and but for you it's it's you know obviously you hate going back over like oh this is what I did but it's interesting to everybody who listens and it's super interesting to us because not to embarrass you but you're such a [ __ ] huge piece of the comedy landscape and have been for so long and you're such an

6:20 great voice, incredible writer, incredible performer. You started Yeah. I've just always you but no there's no butt. I've always been very fond of you and and and I I'm such a huge fan in awe of of your talent. You started in you moved to Chicago in early 90s. I Let me think. Yeah. 90 I graduated in '92. Spring of '92. I graduated from the University of Virginia. So I think I moved in the fall of n 1992. Yes. Yeah. So you're from Pennsylvania and then you move I know. So you moved to Chicago. You start second city, right? Yeah. So I went to UVA kind of randomly and then I went to Chicago and I started improv Olympic first and class at the second city and that's where I met Amy Per.

7:02 Sure. And a bunch of other people that only Amy Polar and I know. Um but like but like Kevin Dorf and Brian Stack and Miriam Tol and all those guys. Dr. Rachel D. Datch. Um those were your contemporaries. I remember like those were that was kind of your crew. All those people. So, is it crazy that like three of those people end up on Saturday Night Live? I mean, that's that's like the odds of that is crazy. I mean, it is and it isn't, I guess, because well, then at the time there's like the Groundlings, standups, the Groundlings and and Second City were the places they looked. Now, you know, the internet has become the great equalizer and find people on YouTube, you find people on TikTok presumably. Um, I'm so surprised they didn't run into you. Yeah, you were a musical director. Well, you didn't run into me because I don't sing. Cuz you were a musical director out in the BBS, right? Yeah. In the BS, but I was always

7:53 downtown Chicago. Always around the I had some friends at Second City. I'm just surprised we never in the bus station. In the bus station. Yeah. Wait. So, Tina, so you that those are kind of your peeps. I know that like D and Amy and and Stack and Miriam and all those kinds of guys were your Yeah. And and Horatio and we got another one. Glazer like all those kinds of people were there too, right? Like in Chicago. Glazer. I was Glazer's understudy. I was John Glazer's understudy. Yeah. And then he left to do Dana Carvey, right? Yes.

8:22 To work with Dana Carvey. And I got to go onto the main stage when he left. Yeah. So then you moved from Chicago to SNL. Like McKay and those guys were kind of seniors when you guys were freshman. Is that kind of the idea? Adam McKay. Yeah. Exactly. Adam McKay was already head writer at SNL and he I submitted my writer's packet to him because I had been on stage at Second City and Lauren Michaels and Marcy Klein had come to scout talent and zero interest in me as a performer. So I was like well writer's packet it is. And then and just for people who don't know, Adam McKay was Will Frell's uh business partner and writer of SNL and writer of all these amazing movies and then he directs crazy huge movies now. And yeah, now he directs a lot of like dramatic movies.

9:05 Yeah. He's an Oscar winner now, guys. Yeah. Yeah. But also for Wisconsin, there is a you can either be a performer or a writer on Saturday Night Live and sometimes you make the leap. You get hired as a writer like Sedakus. I remember Sedakus this first year was a writer. Yeah, Sedakus was a writer. uh did not want to be a writer. Um Conan was a writer. The best part about Sedakus being a writer and not wanting to be a writer was that he let everybody know. So here in the best way, in the best way. But Tina, did you did you were you one of those people that always dreamed of being on a Saturday Night Live? Because I hear so many alums saying, "Oh, when I was a kid, all I ever wanted and then they get their and then their dream comes true and they're on Saturday Night Live." Yeah, it is. I I I feel like I so wanted to be on Saturday Night Live that to me I would like it would be hard for me to

9:50 understand meeting anyone who didn't want to do that. Right. Right. Yeah. What do you mean you don't want to do that? And then were you disappointed that they didn't that they didn't uh select you for the performing part or were you more comfortable writing anyway? I was always a bit more of a writer even the way I contributed to the company at Second City. I definitely was like an idea person. I wasn't someone I I didn't have that that magic thing that that Horatio Sans or or Rachel Dr have where like they come out and you're just like, "Oh, this is going to be good."

10:18 Like they just sparkly, you know? Don't you feel like to a certain extent like you're kind of I don't know, this is going to sound mean for performers, but you're kind of overqualified to be a performer. Like it's really hard to be a writer. I think really hard to be a director. less less hard to be an actor cuz everybody does that every day anyway whether you're an actor or not. I mean people change their behavior when they're with their grandmother versus their best friend. Like people know how to adjust the way in which they come across like that's acting but writing direct I feel like that's really difficult stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I think it is it's more work the writing and directing it is like people who are really good actors uh listen acting is like 99% having a good face. It doesn't have to be a beautiful face. It's like an interesting face. It could be you know what I mean? It could be it could

11:11 be Lupita Nyango. It could be Steve Bushi, but you got to have a face that people want to look at, right? And that's like 99% of it. And then the other like then 4% beyond that is talent. But I think you have that I think you know what you're saying about Horatio and Rachel. You have that thing too where you come out and people are like, "Oh my god, this is going to be so good." Because it's you. It's Tina Fey who's always [ __ ] funny and always delivers. So I think people get just as excited. That's very kind. I think now I think I've like slowly worn people down.

11:42 I think it's been like it's like it's mirrored my dating life in every way. I'm just like I'll wear you the I'll wear you down. But Tina, you you got to admit like in the best way like you kind of Trojan horse them like you know Marcy and Lauren come and and they sort of like okay and they don't even see you or whatever and then you come and and you submit your packet obviously McKay wants you know he knows that how brilliant you are. You come you start submitting on SNL and then you your talent just shows through and you you end up getting it in spite of them and become like the biggest star on the show for many years.

12:17 That's got to feel kind of gratifying. I don't mean I don't mean that in a shitty way, but you must it must feel like yeah, I always knew I could do this in a real way. It was, you know, yeah, the long the long grift sort of paid off. I mean, there's a couple factors. There's like the team of gay scientists that fix my appearance, you know, that that's the title of your next series, by the way, the gay scientist. And then like I always say, don't underestimate how gloriously lazy Lauren is about casting cuz this is like Conan like do you think someone was like going all over town being like where's a pasty 7 foot red head that we can put that we can give a talk show to? I was like no he was around the office being funny around the office and that's the same thing happened here. He was like we need to new update anchors like let me look inside my own eyelids for like who who's available. Do you prefer one of the one

13:11 over the other acting and writing? Like do you miss performing when you're not in a writer's room and vice versa? Writing is like it's it's only fun to have written something. Like writing is only fun after it's over, right? And performing is like fun while it's happening and then for me, if you're me, you usually look back after and go, "Oh, yeah, that wasn't Yeah, that would include I would include myself in that." Yeah. Do you think that? Yeah. Yeah. No, I was just like like I'm beat myself up all the time. Well, you're crazy. So, uh it is common for the uh weekend anchor to not be a performer. Correct. Yeah.

13:48 Well, Chevy was first, right? He was right. Mostly just that. Um he was not a performer that that much on the show, was he? Not too much. He was a little bit, right? He did Gerald Ford and some commercials. Is it common for the head writer to be the uh the anchor? It is now because Jo and Chay Yeah. are the headwriters I think among Seth as well was. Yes. Seth was. Yes. Yeah. You know what I really did learn that time too is that I I learned you know after Jimmy left and then Lauren was like well do you want to do it by yourself? And I thought like well I'm supposed to want to do it by myself, right? Yeah. And I think we even did like and then I at the last minute I was like I don't want to.

14:27 I want to do with Amy. And I realized that's where I learned I don't I don't work a single. Right. Yeah. I kind of remember that. I remember that first that was a very late breaking decision. Very late, rudely late. And then it turned out to be obviously great and you guys that was such a um exciting time for the show. You guys were so good and it was so much fun and um it was fun to have a front row seat to that. It was amazing. And then you guys at that kind of right in that same year you guys were doing Mean Girls at the same time that first year you started right you guys were shooting while you were doing Update. Remember that? It was crazy.

15:02 Maybe I think you're probably I'm going to assume that you're right about that. So many things I drag to trash. I don't remember a lot of things. Drag to trash. That's the name of my biography. But um that seems right. Tina, is are you still a fan of SNL? Of course you are. I'm sure you are. Is there anybody that you just are completely drawn to that's on now that you're like want to work with or Oh yeah. Well, that's um I am a fan and what's really exciting now is my older daughter Alice is 15 and so we stay up and watch together. So that's fun to like be at that age with her where she's into it, you know. And um Yeah. Yeah. I mean, does she go back and watch your episodes? No. No. No. Do your kids want to watch your They don't give it up. My kids, my wife, no one thinks I'm doing anything but counting paper clips when I'm That's healthy though.

15:50 That's healthy, I think. Yeah. Um and they watch everything. They've like she watched Parks and Wreck 100%. Yeah. The Office 100%. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. But, uh, so yeah, I mean, I'm still a fan of Kenan. That's never going to change. I think Chris Red is super funny. Uh, Chris Red, Chris Red was on Will and Grace and he was supposed to be a recurring character and as they were trying to make his deal, he got a call like a week later and like a week or two later, he's on Saturday Night Live. I was like, "That's so crazy." He just did like a couple episodes of Will and Grace. That is crazy. So, Tina, how do you manage being so um uh great at at what it is that you do? and phys like how do you decide where to point your your your work? I mean you can be you can do so many different things whether it's television or film or or or theater musicals on camera behind camera like I I would imagine it would be somewhat uh

16:46 burdensome to try to figure out what to prioritize. I mean I think TV sort of where I'm most comfortable because I feel like it's the most interesting place right now. there's more interesting things happening in TV, especially for comedy. I feel like the movies is kind of glacially paced. And it's not that I don't want to do movies, but it also just feels like there's so many more chances for people to [ __ ] it up in movies. Well, it takes seven years to make a movie. Yeah. It takes seven years and takes seven years to shoot it.

17:18 Don't you always find that like there's nothing more boring in a lot of ways than making a movie and being on a movie set? It's so slow and it's not conducive to that immediacy that you have when you're making a show when you've got to shoot nine pages in a day and you got to get the scene and it's got you've got to move. It's got to be quick and that lends itself to being funnier rather than shooting one side of, you know, for one day and then you, you know, you shoot like 38 of a page. Like there's the worst. And TV, you know, you did 30 Rock. I mean, you guys would jam through the you'd have those huge packed days with just like a million scenes and you just got to get it. Also, we all talk about like remember when we used to make 22 episodes of things. That's like ridiculous now. Like every everyone makes like three episodes. collect their awards. Don't you think those days are those days seem like they're over? Don't

18:08 don't you think the 22 episode days? Yeah. Or the 100 episodes of a show? Yeah, I think so. What about What about writing writing books? Was that is that a good uh time um pace for you or is that somewhat glacial as well? I just did that the one time and I remember I was like doing 30 Rock at the same time I was doing I think I started it. I remember I was on the set of Date Night with Steve Carell and I just had like a notebook on the set. I was like, "Yeah, I guess I said I would write this book." And then as short as that book is, I felt like it nearbot killed me because again, I don't work a single. And I was so used to having a writer's room and I was like, not so much that it was more work, but it was just so vulnerable of like if this book comes out and people are like, "Boo, it's 100% my fault. It's 100% a rejection of me personally. It's not a novel. It's just like here's who what my

19:03 deal is and if people were like boo it I I've never felt so nervous about anything. I walk into like a grocery store and people go boo sure boo. But that's that's just cuz they've seen your work. That's they've seen your work. That's what I'm saying Tina. Yeah. Go ahead. Go ahead. Are you in like a a a old person's bathroom? What is that? By the way, you should know you should know. So this is my my home booth. And these are actually handles for a bathtub. No joke. Because usually when I record when I record my my real videos, I'm standing up and I like to lean and hold on. So, I had the guy get these and they are for uh somebody who needs help getting in and out of a tub. Okay. Now, um how much harder or what what would you have to navigate to become to do what you do today if you were starting out and you were 22 today and trying to get into comedy? [ __ ] Right. Well, you get Yeah. advice, right? Like not even

20:02 advice, just like what would you do to yourself? Like what how would you do it if you were graduating? I'm not necessarily saying, "Hey, to young writers out there, listen, I'm like literally what would you do?" Yeah, I that's a good question. What would I do? I I probably would be trying to blow up on TikTok or something, right? I would be cutting out the middleman, which listen, it's worked well in porn. Sure. Who needs Hugh Hefner anymore, right? Yeah. Um, it seems like, I mean, unless I'm wrong, it seems like people on Tik Tok really want to be in television or film, and the people in television or film aren't making that money anymore, so they want to go blow up on TikTok.

20:37 It's it's uh Yeah. Don't you feel that way? Uh, yeah. I think broadcast TV especially doesn't mean like to my kids that doesn't mean anything to them. Like they don't they don't understand what's happening. Is there still I'm going to sound like a real old man here. Um, can you still uh like make a bunch of money um on uh social media like saying I like this kind of chocolate. I I I say this kind like I think so. Right. That's a whole industry, right? I think so. Yeah. Like taste that's not that's not what taste makers are called, is it? Is that is that what influencers? Influencers, right? Um and like people have agents for that and stuff, dude. I think so.

21:17 Take yourself out back and just end it, man. This is [ __ ] By the way, this is a great opportunity to mention, you said chocolate, Jason, for us to mention Reese's. Jason's been asking me to reach out to the people at Reese's cuz he wants free peanut butter cups because I just think he doesn't make any money over on the Ozarks. I I But I'm so sick and tired of hearing your dumb voice sell candy on TV. I'm like, if I got to listen to it, if I got to listen to it, then why don't you get me a free box of those the peanut butter cups that are wrapped in peanut butter with the peanut butter inside. It's double triple peanut butter and I'm not sorry, whatever it is. I need some of that for free for having to listen to your crap. Great.

22:00 Okay, I got it. I wrote it down and and they're obviously listening right now. So, thank you everybody at Reese's and to Jason B. Should I give my my address over the air? addresses your address. Number one deadline Hollywood way. Uh Tina, did you ever imagine it would be this amazing being on this podcast? I mean, I I thought about it. Um thought about saying no. And then my tip on Reese's though, you know, this is my tip on all candy. Sure. Uh whenever there's holiday candy where it's like the Reese's shaped like Santa Claus, always buy that candy because it's fresher. Fresher. Nice. Cuz they just made it. You could get a regular candy bar. Could have been in the CVS for 7 months. Really good point. Um, we we often ask this question of of people who are in the public eye who have children. Would you do your kids want to do what mom and or dad does or do you would you discourage them from getting

22:55 it or you just say follow your dreams and I'll support you? What? It's funny you should ask that. our older daughter, you know, I think if anything maybe would be interested in directing, I think she would be horrified to perform. And I never let when she was a little kid. I think all little kids think they want to. And I think I let her be I think she was in some still photographs, Alice. She played young Liz Lemon, but in a series of photographs at the end of the end end of 30 Rock and um and that was like that's enough like let's keep it measured. And then this other one that you that's you now know what I'm dealing with. Um during the pandemic it came up we worked for girls five. We had to cast a kid to play Bizzy Phillips and Andrew Ran's child who is like a little YouTube villain. And I had always said about that one. I was like you know what that's a Nelly. I got a Nelly Olsen right here. Um

23:45 Jason knows Nelly. I know. Small world. She became a standup. I believe me she was I loved her. Um, yeah. I I remember like she became a stand-up for a while, right? Al I want to say Allison Angram. Is that right? Dude, if you don't know. Oh my god. Allison Arrim. Did I said that? I said it right. Right. Allison Arrim. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Um anyway, we we so I let her audition for this part um because it was sort of like Wait, you made your daughter read? Of course I made her read. Yeah. Because I thought that was going to be the end of it. And then her audition was pretty good. And um thought I was the bad parent on this. Oh, it was going to get worse. And then so then we then there and then you know she did pretty well and then there was another kid who was like an actual experienced kid and we're like well this and I'm and I was like this will be good for her. She you know we hired the kid with more experience

24:40 and then and so I had to tell her like well you did really well and I was making it up. I was like, "You're in you were in the top three." And but you know, we had and then she was like basically was like, "I didn't book it." And I was like, "You didn't book it." Well, I was like, "You're half TFA." And that [ __ ] never booked anything. And so I was like, "You didn't book it." But then because it was the pandemic, this other poor kid, uh, they were like, "Well, she can work as a local hireer, but she's in Michigan right now." And the quarantine, it it fell apart. And so then I was like, "Back up. All right, home girl, you're up." So she's in it.

25:12 And now we're faced now. And it was at the time it was like you get to leave the house and get a test and work during quarantine. And I will say she was incredibly professional. I said she was like a little bit like mommy. She was like very prepared and a little deadeyed. You've all acted with me. That's what it is. But she was good. And a little deadeyed. My god. If she hears a clip of that, she'll murder me. So listen, Tina, I I'm kind of obsessed with horrible theater stories and theater stories gone wrong. I have so many. Do you do you have like a favorite of of like a play you were in or at Second City or something? Oh, a favorite theater horror story? I do have a pretty good theater horror story that's from high school theater. Um, yes. So, okay. In my high school, I played Van Helsing in Dracula because feminism. Did you borrow Paula's Gray Spray? I probably did. Nice call back.

26:03 Nice call back. Um, and so, okay, so let me think about this. So I was Van Helsing and Dracula and um we did like a total of two performances and everything went wrong and I remember this story like the first thing that kind of went wrong would be like our theater was uh was a thrust stage and the seats went up uh is that arena so like like teiered tiered. Yeah. Like so this this the stage was on the ground and the audience was up and we had like a a rubber bat on a like a very long string like scene one the bat supposed to fly by the bat gets stuck. It's just just dangling in on the stage the rest of the night. We're like oh that's not good. Then I give uh some big speech. There's this guy Harker says to me like professor what is a vampire?

26:48 And I give a speech like I give like a page and a half speech of what is a vampire? And this kid was just like not listening. So I he goes, "What is a vampire?" And I give the whole speech and at the end of it, he looks at me, he goes, "But professor, what is a vampire?" And he gave me this same cue again. Then the kid who played Dracula was this kid, John Doyle, who was like very like bonjovi based, like his personality was bonjovi based, like rocker hair, beautiful hair. His mom was a hairdresser, and his mom was also a professional Anillian impersonator. Side story. Anyway, Angel, let's get back.

27:22 We'll double back to that. We'll double back. Um, and so John, you know, because he was like he was like, "Oh, he takes rock singing lessons in New York." Like he was a cool guy. He was not an athlete. And so there's a scene where there's a mirror and Dracula like sees the mirror and he's supposed to throw this like chalice or something and smash the mirror. And so John being like not an athlete and in this open arena like I go a mirror and then he like throws the thing, misses the mirror entirely. So then I'm like trying to improvise like what am I supposed to say? And then a full like 20 seconds later, a little techie kid comes out like in full view of the audience with a hammer from behind and smashes the mirror.

28:03 Oh, at one point also then the set caught on fire a little bit. Jesus. There was like a little flash pot and the fake rocks of the castle were foam and started to catch on fire and then my dad who was had been a fireman and does not did not [ __ ] around. He stood up and he was like fire. And we were like okay. like he stood up in the audience and yel this is like all act one and then put the fire out we continued it's a longer story than you wanted and then again the techies like there's a part where like there's a techie just like in a bay window just like in full view of the audience with a fog machine just being like knowing he's just like a total hero and then the end of the the whole thing ended with like Van Helsing kills Dracula with a spike through the heart and it was and I'm down and I'm like acting so hard and I'm doing this whole speech And then I just hear laughter and I was like this this can't be good. This

28:53 is the end of the whole play because again the stage flat audience here I was like lightning flashing. I'm killing the vampire and I look up and just a toddler has wandered onto the stage. No toward me and that's how not scary it was. The toddler joined us. Wow. That's my story. That's hilarious. By the way, you mentioned your dad. I always think about this that I met your parents a couple times. Uh but I remember your dad. I remember going to your wedding and we had only met a couple times going to your wedding. Your dad described me as he's like that guy's Brook's brother's handsome, right? He said, "No, he's a arrow shirt. Do you remember that?" Yeah. My dad was very taken with Will. He's like, "Oh god, that guy that guy looks like an arrow shirt model." But it was very specific.

29:38 Do you remember arrow shirts? And I was like in the Sears catalog like that guy's an arrow shirt. And I was like, "Yeah, they just made them for for for thick dudes. Is that what they was it special for?" Excuse me. Nothing. Oh, no. Will was thin then. He was really thin. I was thin then. I don't believe it. I was really Tina because because of your theater background, would you ever want to do multicam? Now, for the audience, the difference between multicam and single cam is single cam, there's no audience. Multicam, there's a live studio audience. That's when you hear laughing like Cheers and Will and Grace and Friends and Seinfeld and all those.

30:13 Would you ever want to do a multi-cam? It seems like you'd be perfect for that. Yeah, I do think it would be so fun. I feel like in some ways it's hard to Will and Grace was one of the last ones, especially on NBC. They don't really do them so much anymore. And I also have reached an age where I can't really be photographed from the waist down. Yeah. Not true. So, not true. So, like, but I do think it would be fun. But wouldn't it be great to hear all that laughter through the masks? No, but and or if you don't want to be in one, just like create one and write one. I think you'd be so amazing. Are you saying that you want Tina to create a multicam for you? No. What about What about hosting a talk show? Would you ever do that, Tina? It seems to me like you'd be fantastic at that. Oh, thank you. I thought I don't know that I think I'm very shy. I think to me it sounds super stressful. I've never wanted to

30:59 pursue that. I'm really shy, too. Yeah, we can tell. I am. I don't like being the center of attention. Well, and also those kind of late night talk shows like that's a that's a grind. That's like But you I remember when you were doing 30 Rock, I mean, you came off SNL, which was a grind because you were headwriter and you were doing Update and it was a lot a lot a lot. And especially leading right up till, you know, 2008 and everything that was going on, but sorry, you were already doing 30 Rock at that point, but you were doing so much. Then you go to 30 Rock and it just kind of amps it up even more because you're showrunning 30 Rock and you're writing it all and and then you're starring in it as well and having 16 hour days. So you're not pulling allnighters every night but you are going 18 hours or 17 hours a day like that was [ __ ] really rough right for many years in there. It was insane. First of all also if you

31:48 hear weird breathing sounds it's the dog. It's not me. Listen, she now has her do her her white. What is that? A a cocka poo poodle. Is this a straight poo? Is it a poodle? Straight poo. Um, yeah. Looking back, I didn't mean to say that you looked tired in those years. I just meant to say more that I know that you were very exhausted. You talked about it like you were like getting crushed. It was insane what we did. I don't know. Well, we were just I was what 35 and had some juice left and doing 22 episodes and also my baby Alice was one when we started and it was crazy. It was cra like I look I look back and shudder at just what we Yeah.

32:30 Did you enjoy the the shutdown and the pandemic to kind of recharge a little bit or or did you stay super duper busy? Um I wouldn't say I enjoyed it. I mean like Yeah. one. It's always one of those things where if you're like, "Oh, I'm lucky enough that nobody in my family died." So, it's okay then quietly say like, "It was nice that we were together." Well, I guess what I meant is enjoyed the the period that you could not work. Yeah. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Nice. Right. Yeah. It's kind of nice. I think like I would I'm I'm ready to retire, guys. I'm ready to I've been Me too. By the way, I was saying the same thing and I was saying I was talking about it with with certainly with Amy too where she's been feeling the same way which is just that feeling of like oh my god, you know, much like you kind of did the same thing had, you know, had Archie and went right into Parks and Wreck. Yeah. And those first few when

33:17 you have both your girls had have those like little babies and you're working those insane hours on those shows. Yeah. It's crushing. It's it's like it's soul crushing because you're not at home as much as you want to be and you've got little kids and you're trying to [ __ ] balance it all. It just Right. And it's all, you know, nothing compared to someone who's doing all those same work hours on a job that they hate that doesn't pay well. No, no, no. Of course, it's the same as being a working parent on any job. But like just in the sense that like of any working parent, especially working mom who's working any job that's taking them long stretches, whatever it is. Yeah. Um, and of course there are a lot of people who can say, "Well, you get paid really well." Like, okay, sure. But like you're still working all those hours, you know, and and it's and it's tough, you know, and it's hard to once you get to stop, it's

34:03 hard to go back. Like I've worked on a couple things. I did a little small part on this show that Steve Martin and Marty Short have and it was that thing of like and your pickup is 510 and you're like, "Oh yeah, that used to be every day." Yeah. Especially for ladies cuz the hair makeup people have really gotten used to working at home too, right? in in in any occupation. I wonder how that's going to all transition back. I I think I know I do like to go to an office. I like it. Right. But five days a week or would it be great like just two days a week, three days a week? I feel like that's going to be the transition. Sean, you like going to the office too? I do. I I prefer like the old man 9 to5 kind of one place, one-stop shop. Jason likes that, too. I like a routine. Jason likes that too. We had this little company a couple years ago. We had this shared office and he'd always be like, "You

34:52 [ __ ] dick. We've got this off and you're never in here." And I go, "Well, yeah, my dad worked his ass off for 40, 50 years. I don't want to have to do that. Why do you think I do what we do so that I can not go to an office?" So, you know what I did? I found a portrait of myself and I put it behind my desk so he could look at me even when I wasn't there. That's a true story. That That really was counting paper clips at that place. Yeah, it really was. Yeah. So Tina, like you joke about retiring, but of course you're never going to want to stop writing and you're never going to want to stop doing that kind of Oh, really? No. Come on. Well, wait. So, wait, Tina, what would you do though?

35:27 What is is there anything like picture the girls are grown and out and you and Jeff and you're at home and what you still would be writing or is there something that you'd want to be doing or I wonder. I so wonder. It's like that thing of you, you know, the improv training, right? you go back to it and it's like when do you enter a scene? This is the trick, the thing that trips people up. Does anyone remember like when are you supposed to enter a scene? And the answer is when you're needed is the only time you're supposed to enter.

35:54 You're not supposed to enter because you have a funny idea. You're not supposed to enter because it it's going well and you want a piece of it. What about the notion of like you and Jeff just doing just globe trotting and and w having some wander lust and and once you guys become empty nesters just start traveling the world and knocking down and uh and getting all cultured. Is that something that's appealing to you or or are you as soft as I am and and you need CNN and thread count? Oh yeah, I want to see a couple places but I don't need to see everywhere. Um I know I'm be increasingly just a homebody. Um, I know. You know what I wish one of us should write is like someone should try to be Neil Simon, right? Like someone should write a play. I nominate you. As if that's easy to do, right? But like to write a comedy, a hard comedy. Cuz I'll tell you what, I go to these Broadway plays and what passes for a joke, Sean?

36:44 Right. Is like mentioning Brooklyn is a joke. Just the word and and that you have to do it out. You have to play it out. Brooklyn. What about the films that Neil Simon uh they adapted uh and and became great, you know, like California Sweet and California Sweet, Goodbye Girl is one I like and the Blake Edwards stuff. I mean, yeah, what about them? Those those big commercial films, I mean, someone's got to write them, Tina. They don't write themselves. Nobody goes to that [ __ ] I don't think they make comedy films anymore. They make like We put them on Netflix. Let's let's let's do that. Yeah. I don't know, man. You I I saw some poll on online today. It was like, "If you could only live with three of these film franchises, which one would it be?" And it was like Marvel, uh, Star Wars, like Harry, you know, all Harry Potter, like all these. And I was like, "Wait, that's what it's become?

37:31 That's it. Those are the film. [ __ ] that, man." Yeah. And none and nobody's funny. It's like, this is crazy. I can't wait for the letters and the comments. Oh, nobody's funny anymore. Wait. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. You're hilarious. You I love it. Bring it on. I can't. No, you're not saying that. You're saying that comedies are not in the theaters anymore. Really? Yes. That's what I'm saying. Nobody's making comedy films. No one's going to make, you know, the in-laws now. The original in-laws. Nobody's going to make No, nobody's making You can't make Rushmore today. Nobody's making Rushmore. You'd make it for Netflix, I guess. But I'm fine watching it at at home on my couch. I don't I don't need to drive to a theater to see that, right? I mean, I go to a theater to see some big huge format, right? A big IMAX thing or something. You come ask them.

38:11 Is that Penelope? Come ask them. What do you What's your question? How much longer? Okay, we're almost done. Sorry. We're wrapping it up now. We're gonna wrap it up. Your your agent looks real young. Um yeah, actually we are we are past our hour here. I know we've been taking up way too much of your time. I'm sorry that we're keeping you from the fact because I want to keep you on I want I just want your opinion on everything. I feel like anytime I get your opinion, it feels like it's really the right one. So that's why we've been keeping you around. But opinions are all I have anymore. Go. No, it's so good.

38:39 You We're going to dismiss you, but we're going to reserve the right to call you back with any questions we have. That's right. Anytime, guys. Oh, you're the best. Thank you so much for taking your time to do this. I love you, Tina. You're the best. I love all three of you. Love you, Tina. Go have fun with the rest of your day with that sweet girl. Oh, yeah. Okay. We love you, Tina. Thank you. Thanks, Tina. Bye. Boy, just another She wanted She wanted She wanted to get off there at the end. Yeah. Do you think she gave a cue to Penelopey to come in and say, "Okay, now this is the time where I need you." No, but she was she'd had a No, she she Everybody knows who she is. Everyone knows how brilliant she is. Everybody knows Everybody's a fan. It seems like that's the one person everybody can agree on, right? That's Oh my god, she's I would like to find the person that that doesn't like Tina Fay. Like, who

39:26 who Yeah. Who's Who's that person? How could you possibly not? Yeah, I know. She's the most She's just so freaking funny. She's such an unbelievable writer and a great joke writer. I mean, just the funniest always. Doesn't take herself or anything too serious. Always has the funniest joke on everything. Yeah, it's it's scary. It's intimidating. Yeah, she's she's It must be for someone, you know, for you guys. A great a great leader. Seems like a great leader. Incredible leader. I'm very drawn to her. It was great. Sean, you were on you were on uh 30 Rock a few times or once? Just once.

39:59 The finale of that first season. Just once. Will, you were on it a bunch of times, weren't you? I guess. Well, that's what the four Emmy nominations tell me, but you know. Wait, what? Come on. I mean, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Wait a second. Is that true? Is that true? Honestly, were you on for four seasons? Yes. But did you get nominated four times? Yeah. Yeah. Four guests. Yeah. Four. Congratulations. Wait. So guest. So So you did you did four episodes. You got nominated for all four of them. No, I did more than four episodes. I did a bunch. I did like the first season. I did one or two. It was not their first season. It was like So do you want me to do an impression of your mom really quick? Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. Well, it would have been more impressive if you won. That's true. That's very true.

40:37 She'd be much more impressed if I had won. Yeah. Um I god I uh she's cut that of you. No we can keep it. My you know the first time Jason you know this story the we were coming back the Arrested Development had won the comedy uh the Emmy for best comedy and uh 2004 whatever that was and the next day uh it was that was a Sunday night. The next Monday we had to be at work early. You and I were in that scene. You remember we had the Emmy those guys Chuck Martin brought his on set. We were so excited that we won improbably because we were such a lowrated show. And I'm driving to the Fox lot from Venice and my mom calls and I like it was like 6:00 am LA time and I've been up till three because we were so I was like, "Oh my god, mom, did you watch did you see the the Emmys last night?" "No, we won." She goes, "I did."

41:23 Now your sister um is going through and then just complete. I was like, "Okay." It was a very sort of Canadian like the whole idea is always like don't get too big for yourself, right? you know, and don't like, oh, you think that you're better than anybody else? Like, I I guess I don't. I'm sorry. I don't. I think I'm worse. And like, there we go. That's more like it. You know, the idea, have you ever heard the story about the two lobster fisherman, one Canadian and one American, are walking down the road and the American lobster fisherman says to the Canadian, he says, "Uh, I noticed that uh you don't have a lid on the on your lobster pot there, boy. Aren't you worried that your lobster is going to get out?" And the Canadian says, "No, these are Canadian lobsters. If one of them tries to get out, the other ones will pull them back down."

42:05 Jesus. That's Canada. Oh, Lord. That's Canada. That's what I grew up in. Oh, bless. And I love Canada. I love it to death. And uh I grew up like that, too. It's a very There's a very sort of Anyway, I don't know. Speaking of Speaking of Canada, uh have you given any uh thoughts? I imagine you're going to book the guest uh for our for our Toronto stop for our for our tour, our our tour, which listener uh it it does look like it's firming up. It does look like we're gonna we're gonna actually do this and we're going to go to a few cities just inside the new year. Just inside the new year, 2022. And we're starting the tour in Toronto. Is that right? E, we can say that. Yeah. And then some New York and some Boston, some Chicago, some Madison, some LA. Is that right? I think that's right. Yeah. We end up So, who would we let Can we Will you try to I have a couple people in mind that I want to have for Toronto.

43:00 You know, I know that uh Chicago, we should start taking suggestions for guests. Yeah, we should. That's a good idea. Does saying the expression tap link in bio, does that mean anything? Tap link in bio. Who's who's link in bio? That's what that's what you say on like Instagram, you know? Oh, tap link in your bio. Tap link in bio. You know what else they say sometimes on Instagram? No, don't you do it. Not yet. We're still talking. We're still talking. Jesus [ __ ] Christ. Are you He gets so excited when he figures out to buy. I know it would have been perfect, but we need we have a few more things that we need to do about the tour to talk because the tour is becoming a reality. Yes. Sean, do you have a person in mind for Chicago? I do. I have several, but I don't want to say them out loud. Yeah. Don't say them out loud yet. Yeah. How are we going to decide who's booking what cities? Well, why

43:43 don't we Well, here we have to do dibs. And I'm I want to do dibs. You ready? Toronto and Wisconsin. Madison. Oh, you want Madison? I want Madison. Even though it's my sister. Wait, but we got Are we going to Madison strictly to see Shawn's niece nephew? My sistering and how could Tracy be his nephew? Man, like I guess I've met a couple of Tracy dudes. Yeah, I do too. You have to. Yeah. Yeah. But all the these guests need to be uh sort of gerine to the location. Yes. That's right. That's right. That's the whole idea is we're going to have guests who are gerine.

44:18 hopefully like a a very sort of organic, not shoehorned in pick. So, think about it. I think that what we got to do is though, we we got to make sure Here it comes. I can't for the tour though, if you want to talk about the tour. No, I I'm not saying that there's rules. I'm not saying that there are rules to this. I'm just saying that you have to check the Boss. That's so bad. Okay. Goodbye.

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What is discussed in "RE-RELEASE: Tina Fey | SmartLess"?

In order: 0:00 Esquire, Hamilton, Mean Girls, Peacock; 5:00 Chicago, Second City, Adam McKay, Brian Stack; 10:00 Mean Girls, Second City, Talk show, The Office; 15:00 30 Rock, Date Night, Steve Carell, The Office; 20:00 Reese's, 30 Rock, Hugh Hefner; 25:00 Dracula, Van Helsing, New York, New York, Second City; 30:00 30 Rock, Multicam, Cheers, Friends; 35:00 Neil Simon, 30 Rock, Blake Edwards, Harry Potter; 40:00 Toronto, Chicago, Madison, Arrested Development.

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78 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Chicago, Second City, 30 Rock, Dracula, The Office, Toronto. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

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