Mike Matheson + James Duthie Join The Show - Episode 601

What this episode is about

The discussion revolves around the hosts' recent experiences, including their warm welcome to Basel Sports, their excitement about hockey and football events, and reflections on Thanksgiving festivities. They also touch on sponsorships, specifically highlighting Discover as the official credit card of the NHL, while sharing lighthearted banter about players and game highlights.

Key takeaways

• Welcome to Basel Sports: where hockey chatter and lively banter collide—just don't forget the cash back on wings!
• Missing pasta on the Bruins? It's like NHL chess without a queen—watch out for the checkmate down the lineup!
• Morgan Geeky leading the NHL in goals? Proof that even an unsung hero can have a blockbuster summer glow-up!
• Sometimes confidence needs a nudge—Pasta's belief in Geeky's scoring potential could be the unexpected spark for 50 goals.
• In the hockey jungle, you've got to grind. IVs or not, nothing stops a warrior from hitting the ice… or the mic!

Who speaks in this episode?

• Ryan Whitney (Host) · 1 h 3 min speaking
• Paul Bissonnette (Host) · 56 min speaking
• James Duthie (Guest) · 24 min speaking
• Biz Nasty (Guest) · 16 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 15:00: Harvard, Discover, Boston, Discover it card
2. 15:00 – 30:00: Boston, Harvard
3. 30:00 – 45:00: Boston
4. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00: Detroit
5. 1:45:00 – 2:00:00: Ryan Whitney, Harvard
6. 2:00:00 – 2:15:00: Spit and Chicklets, Boston
7. 2:15:00 – 2:30:00: Lane Kein
8. 2:30:00 – 2:38:35: Lane Kein

Notable quotes from "Mike Matheson + James Duthie Join The Show - Episode 601"

• Chicklets podcast. I love you guys shouting. Oh, Body Armor. But first, we got to talk about Discover. This episode is presented by Discover, sponsored by Discover, the…

  about Discover · at 0:42

• Guys, what a week. What a weekend we just had. Hockey everywhere, football everywhere. Lane Kein, one of the biggest scumbags of all time. This guy's unbelievable.

  about Lane Kein · at 1:29

• No pasta on the Bruins is like it's pretty it's pretty ugly. That's a straight up AHL lineup without those.

  about Boston · at 2:49

• We've we've had to we've had to kind of hold it, but we're going to talk about Tampa. They pounded them and they lost Adam Fox. So, the injuries we got another injury in St.…

  about Tampa · at 5:51

• Many of you who are watching live right now or who will listen later, make sure you go check out our Spit and Chicklets YouTube channel where you get the game notes section. You can go watch the game notes podcast.

  about Spit and Chicklets · at 8:10

• Interview. I know it dropped on Thanksgiving. if everyone didn't have a chance. Just an inspirational interview, at least personally for me, a guy who's, been through so much…

  about Blind Hockey · at 9:06

• Yans? Like what's what was the pace like? Did you have a good time? Like Yeah, it was great. That rink, that Harvard rink, I think it was perfect size. It was packed. It was it's it was awesome. But like just like a bottom row, biz probably.

  about Harvard · at 13:00

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Ryan Whitney — Person · Co-host · 2 mentions · first at 0:13
  Named directly as a show personality ("Ryan Whitney") and referenced in the opening banter; part of the core hosting trio driving the hockey discussion.
  Ryan Whitney got a pink Whitney out there now.
• Craig Fitzpatrick — Person · Referenced interview subject (from related content drop) · 1 mention · first at 9:04
  Mentioned as the subject of a recently released interview described as inspirational, focused on blindness and hockey; tied to the show’s content slate and advocacy for blind hockey.
  Week was awesome because we had that. We had, two pods, then we had the game notes, boys. Craig Fitzpatrick interview. I know it dropped on Thanksgiving. if everyone didn't…
• Lane Kein — Person · Referenced person (unclear identity; likely mis-transcription) · 3 mentions · first at 1:35
  Brought up in comedic/critical banter as "one of the biggest scumbags of all time," but the transcript provides no additional identifiers; could be a private acquaintance or a misheard name.

Companies & orgs

• NHL — Company · Referenced organization · 1 mention · first at 0:50
  Mentioned in relation to Discover's sponsorship and the NHL Winter Classic event
  The Discover NHL Winter Classic is taking place January 2nd, 2026 in Miami.

Products & tech

• Discover it card — Product · Sponsored product · 2 mentions · first at 0:59
  Promoted as the official credit card of the NHL with cash back benefits
  Matter if your team wins or loses, Discover is there for you with cash back on all your postgame purchases. With the Discover it card, you can earn cash back on every purchase.…

Concepts & topics

• Blind Hockey — Concept · Core topic · 1 mention · first at 9:53
  Discussed as an inspirational topic and potential future Paralympic sport
• NCAA — Concept · Referenced organization · 1 mention · first at 7:39
  Mentioned in the context of college hockey
  No, no, no. Plant on Sorry. Yeah, duth. Basically, the Penguins have the leader in goals and the leader in assists in National Hockey League right now. Okay. So, I guess I'm I guess I'm wrong. I'm.

Places & events

• Boston — Place · Setting · 8 mentions · first at 2:49
  Mentioned in the context of hockey games and team performance
• Harvard — Place · Setting · 7 mentions · first at 6:37
  Mentioned in the context of a college hockey game
• Detroit — Place · Setting · 4 mentions · first at 7:21
  Mentioned in the context of hockey games and team performance
  Boston playing Harvard. He was there for the Red Wings. Great to catch up with him. Detroit, man, I thought the league did that on purpose.
• NHL Winter Classic — Event · Referenced event · 1 mention · first at 1:14
  Mentioned as an upcoming NHL event sponsored by Discover
  The Discover NHL Winter Classic is taking place January 2nd, 2026 in Miami.
• Tampa — Place · Setting · 1 mention · first at 5:45
  Mentioned in the context of hockey games and team performance
• Harvard rink — Place · Setting · 2 mentions · first at 13:06
  Mentioned as the venue for a college hockey game
  Yans? Like what's what was the pace like? Did you have a good time? Like Yeah, it was great. That rink, that Harvard rink, I think it was perfect size. It was packed. It was it's it was awesome. But like just like a bottom row, biz probably.
• Miami — Place · Setting · 1 mention · first at 1:19
  Mentioned as the location for the NHL Winter Classic event
  The Discover NHL Winter Classic is taking place January 2nd, 2026 in Miami.

Media & podcasts

• Spit and Chicklets — Media · Hosted content · 3 mentions · first at 0:38
  The podcast itself, mentioned as the platform for the discussion

Sponsors

• Discover — Company · Sponsor · 3 mentions · first at 0:45
  Primary sponsor of the podcast episode, promoting their credit card services

Full transcript with timestamps

0:01 Me and Ryan have been officially welcomed to the jungle. That is Basel Sports. I uh brought it toward the Coyotes and I asked him if it was okay if I joined the Spit Chicks podcast full time.

0:13 Ryan Whitney got a pink Whitney out there now. Get that on camera. And Gand is a full-time member. Marley just got an assist from Chris. Whoa. We're buzzing right now. What is Oh, biz on that body armor. What is up?

0:36 Oh [ __ ] Sorry. What's up, guys? What is up? Episode 61 of the Spit and Chicklets podcast. I love you guys shouting. Oh, Body Armor. But first, we got to talk about Discover. This episode is presented by Discover, sponsored by Discover, the official credit card of the National Hockey League. We got plenty to get into with the NHL. No matter if your team wins or loses, Discover is there for you with cash back on all your postgame purchases. With the Discover it card, you can earn cash back on every purchase. So, celebratory wings just got even better. Learn more at discover.com/creditard.

1:09 Cash back on team gear, cash back on tickets, cash back on fries, etc., etc. The Discover NHL Winter Classic is taking place January 2nd, 2026 in Miami. Welcome to Miami. Tune in to Biz Idiot on TNT. Get cash back on every purchase with the Discover it card. Learn more at discover.com/creditard. Guys, what a week. What a weekend we just had. Hockey everywhere, football everywhere. Lane Kein, one of the biggest scumbags of all time. This guy's unbelievable.

1:41 I love him. I love him. He's unbelievable. This guy, I love it. We'll get into that maybe later. But how was everyone's Thanksgiving biz? Did you do anything? Keith was home. I didn't get to see him, but how was yours? No, I flew on Thanksgiving to uh Atlanta because I had the Friday uh we had the Friday broadcast. It was the matinea game where I believe you got a box for.

2:01 Yes. Tough tough sledding. You find out that day that pasta's out. Um who was the other guy?

2:08 Biz biz. I'm in the elevator. It's like 12:30 right around warm-ups and I hadn't really been on my phone. We had 18 people and I'm just kind of on Twitter and I'm like, "Oh, Postronox's not playing." And and the boys, they were like, "What?" Like, they thought I was messing with them.

2:28 It was his first missed game in like four years, I think, too. And then I saw Zaka was out and Makavoy is already out and I just hammered the Rangers as quickly as possible on my

2:40 just to make up for buying that box. Should Exactly. Exactly. I mean, if I was the kids, I would have asked to go home in the elevator. I'd be like, let's just go down.

2:49 No pasta on the Bruins is like it's pretty it's pretty ugly. That's a straight up AHL lineup without those.

2:56 Well, hey, nope. Because they got the leading goal scorer in the NHL. Somehow someway Morgan Geeky, which any like he just tips a beautiful one in that day. I don't know how he has 20 goals, but I did just see he has the hardest recorded shot in the NHL this year at over 103 miles an hour. I didn't know. I knew he ripped it. I knew his release was nice. I didn't know it was that heavy.

3:18 Yeah. Well, he's got an unreal release and apparently he was working again on it all summer. He actually uh tried to change sticks but ended up going back to what he was using. Uh found that odd in the fact that you're you're the leading goal scorer in the NHL since January 1st. I wouldn't change a goddamn thing. Uh but there you go. There you have it right there. I think Geeky took the lead and then McKinnon quickly then took it back and then obviously Geeky got another one where I feel like two or three of the last five for Geeky have been tippins. So not only that quick release just anywhere in that house pocket he's [ __ ] fine in the net. So a special player and uh an absolute score at five and a half million. I know Drenelli was just jerk jerking his chicken when uh in in the group chat talking about his AAV for years to come.

4:07 So uh still they they ended up win they they dropped that one but they ended up winning that next one. So Bruins congratulations. Still staying afloat with that lineup and you got to imagine that uh their coach is probably top at least top five for coach of the year right now.

4:22 Yeah, he's in the mix. Um Keith, how was it being home? It was good. Yeah, everything was great. Great to see everybody. Um, you know, Thanksgiving just such a whirlwind of a couple days, but it was good. And obviously, you know what happens when you travel? You come back, you wake up sick. You're sick as a dog in the middle of the night. Can't move. Had to get IVs earlier today so I could make the show. So, uh, shout out me.

4:47 People may not know we're warriors. Like, we grind through these shows. I think I missed one. I was sick once. Biz called and I'm on the bed and like Bree's talking to him and I think he could hear me puking. He's like, "All right, all right. I understand he can't make it, but we've grinded

5:01 live, so we got to do it. We got to do it." But I did you guys see the comments when they asked Geeky about being in the lead with M uh with McKinnon. He's like, "Yeah, I just don't belong there." But like at some point, you got to believe in yourself, right? I know early in the year Pasta was telling him to keep shooting, that he's a goal scorer and everything and getting confidence from his teammates, but you need I need to hear a little more confidence from him and then he'll have 50. Yeah, Pasta is the one who said he could get 50, which is kind of crazy. And then I think since, you know, we got a month left in 2025, I believe since January 1st of this year, he's leading the league in goals. Maybe maybe somebody could correct me on that one. G, it's right up near the top. So, but but a brutal hockey game. A brutal hockey game. And you know what? The Rangers then they get a big win and the next day Tampa who's

5:49 money. We're going to get it to Tampa. We've we've had to we've had to kind of hold it, but we we're going to talk about Tampa. They pounded them and they lost Adam Fox. So, the injuries we got another injury in St. Louis where a guy burnt himself at home. I don't know what the [ __ ] is going on.

6:04 What? We got barbecue accidents. We got guy other guys burning themselves too. Crazy.

6:09 It's not good. It's really really ugly. But um yeah, that's got You think you got the hot candle wax out? Like what was the

6:16 Yeah, little BDSM or whatever they call it. I don't know. That's where you went. That's very like

6:21 I don't know what he's into, but hey, I mean, I can't put it past anyone these days.

6:25 Yeah. You know what I did do when I was home with is I went to a college game. I was trying to remember the last college game I went to. It had to have been 20 25 years maybe more.

6:37 Who was it? Harvard and who I think you said Harvard vers Michigan. And uh I tell you what, our good friend Sean Horov, his son Will, is going to be making so much money in the National Hockey League. Shout out to your boy Dubis Biz for drafting.

6:53 He is he he was unbelievable. He was the best player on the ice both teams. I loved watching him play. Just a smart player, too. Knows how to you can tell he grew up with an NHL dad around the locker room. He was just always in the right spot. It was it was fun to watch him. Everyone else, not so much.

7:08 He is uh he's enormous. Um Hawk's wife, I think she's like 6 feet tall. He's he's got to be 6'5, if not 66. He leads the nation in goals. I think he leads the nation in points. They got that Max Plant. Oh, no. He's Detroit pick. Is it his brother Gam?

7:25 He's Montreal pick, I think. No, no, no. Plant on uh Sorry. Yeah, duth. Basically, the Penguins have the leader in goals and the leader in assists in National Hockey League right now. Okay. So, I guess I'm I guess I'm wrong. I'm

7:37 Oh, you mean in in NCAA? You mean NCAA? Excuse me. Zam Plant 17 apples. This Plant family. And there's another one coming. But yeah, I saw that. Uh, I I got to see Hawk because he was at the game against the Rangers. Detroit was playing in town the next day. He was going over. So, it was kind of sick how Will and Michigan happened to be in Boston playing Harvard. He was there for the Red Wings. Great to catch up with him. Detroit, man, I thought the league did that on purpose.

8:04 Well, hey, uh, and quick shout out to Game Notes. Um, they had the Plant Boys on on the podcast. So, I don't know how many of you who are watching live right now or who will listen later, make sure you go check out our our Spit and Chicklets YouTube channel where you get the game notes section. You can go watch the game notes podcast.

8:21 Yep. Yep. And we had our four 429,000 followers now. We jumped up like 3K since we dropped the last sandbagger. And of course, Chicklets, the main one. Did you get a chance to watch it since we're talking about college hockey?

8:37 Yeah, it's it's it's amazing. And I'm not a main guy. I'm a Beu guy. But it's awesome. And it is very, it's an intimate setting there. G, you and Fish, you guys did a phenomenal job. Merly's toss. I don't know if everyone's seen Merly try to throw his hat on the ice. It was the worst hat throw I've ever seen in my life. Merles knows it. He ended up getting the hat back, but G, you crushed that. We dropped uh last week was awesome because we had that. We had, you know, two pods, then we had the game notes, boys. Craig Fitzpatrick interview. I know it dropped on Thanksgiving. if everyone didn't have a chance. Just an inspirational interview, at least personally for me, a guy who's, you know, been through so much, has done so much for for our country and and is just bringing hope to so many blind people who love the game of hockey and want to play. I I didn't know what to expect, Biz, because you had met him and

9:26 I loved doing that interview. It was awesome. Yeah. When when I met him, I just knew he said he listened to the pod and I said, "Hey, we'd love to have you on." just like his spirit and his enthusiasm for the game and to have something like that happen to you and and bring so much positivity to every day, it it would be very difficult and and he does it like a champ. So, like you said, just uh uh an inspiration to so many blind people out there and I really hope that they uh when the the Olympics gets to Salt Lake that by then they they do have uh blind hockey in the Parolympics. That would be awesome to see. and Yans.

9:59 Well, I was going to say if you have anything to do with it, cuz everyone you've shouted out that should be the on the Olympic team or have anything to do with the Olympics

10:07 Hall of Fame. Hall of Fame, it it gets done. So, keep shouting this out, Bis, cuz we need blind hockey.

10:13 Okay. I don't know. Voice of hockey. Is he? No, I'm being they just put Canada just put um Wedgewood on the list.

10:22 Did they actually? Yeah. No [ __ ] I didn't Okay, I didn't see that. That was the only thing I Okay, a couple clicks for busy boy.

10:31 And I think that you've been pushing this dubious content factory machine and all of a sudden he releases that video with the mayor of Pittsburgh. I don't know if I had seen and forgot like this whole mayor of Pittsburgh dubis lookalike thing. But the video I forgot. I didn't remember cuz I was like this is hilarious. They are legit twins except I think the mayor's like 5'4. I mean he was a little guy but they looked exactly alike.

10:58 Wait, that's not I don't know. I don't think I've seen that. That's not real. No, that's not AI. That's real.

11:03 And how tall is Dubis B is? He looks like he's 67. He looks like he's standing on his wallet, maybe.

11:08 Yeah, exactly. People get mad at 67. I love 67. Yeah. Oh, I love it, too. I love it.

11:16 67 is the best. Like, I'm telling you, I'm not an adult that's like, I'm so annoyed by this. I love it. We were down. We were down this weekend 75 on Sunday morning. We're playing against this kid. Every game we play, he gets eight goals. I don't know how this kid is playing at our level. We're not the top level. And we're down 75 and we made it 76. We're the only team that would still be losing a game and have the entire bench go bananas that it was 67. I'm talking all the kids skating to the 67 67. I started doing it. We're losing. It's the third period.

11:49 I'm like best. Yeah, I don't care. 67 41. I love it. Every It's inclusive to every kid. Nobody's getting like bullied on it. It's just dumb humor. And you know, guys,

12:00 I agree. Ryder's probably getting bullied for his dad doing it on the bench. That's about

12:04 No, no, no, no, no, no. Every kid loves it. You don't get bullied for 67. That's your jerk.

12:09 At what do you think it'll ever get old? Yeah, at some point. Then there'll be another stupid thing that I'll be all in with. Kids stupid humor is right up my alley, guys. I'm not exactly like a rocket scientologist here. Like I like stupid humor.

12:26 Uh going back to the Dubis video. Uh funny. They got the two phones going like at the draft the one year. So making fun of himself. Self-deprecating. Very likable, right? All of a sudden Doobie's Hey, this is Hey, did I tell you to buy the stock at the right time or what? Well, they did get pounded by your Leafs, but

12:44 I know they dropped that video same day as the Dubis Bowl and now they're 0 and2 in the Dubis Bowl and get pumped at home. So tough tough sledding, but obviously very happy for my Leafs. But uh we were touching on college hockey a little bit. Were you guys done like Yans? Like what's what was the pace like? Did you have a good time? Like

13:05 Yeah, it was great. That rink, that Harvard rink, I think it was perfect size. It was packed. It was

13:10 it's it was awesome. But like just like a bottom row, you know, uh biz probably what what would you say? 5,000 people maybe.

13:16 No. No. Not even. No. I I I'd say max 3500. 35. Yeah. It was perfect size. It's like what we should have had when we were in Phoenix for a while. Just 3500. Sold out. But it was awesome. Uh you know what, like hearing about Michigan, I thought they were going to go in. I thought they were going to dominate them. I thought they were going to be doing tic-tac-toes everywhere. But college hockey is just kind of still a straightforward game. you're not really getting a ton of play making. Like there was a couple guys that were that was stand out that were really good. Like Draper's kid is just like him the way he plays like flying up and down the ice.

13:51 There was a ton of St. Louis had a kid on Harvard. Uh hey Duke had two kids on Harvard I believe. So there a lot of NHL alumni guys on the team. But yeah, I thought that I thought the hockey was going to be more skilled. I'm not I don't know why, but it was it was kind of still that old school college hockey that I remembered of the you know straight north south type game.

14:11 Do you find that uh do you find that more former players have kids playing now than before or is it just recency?

14:20 I was wondering that too. Um I don't know. I don't know. I' I'd like to look at the numbers. I bet you at the highest level it's always been somewhat similar. Maybe not. I that's a great question because you I think we just more hear about them and think about them but when you look it's not like that many but um that was the rink I scored my first college goal night before Thanksgiving my freshman year Harvard rink I'll never forget that one and it is a great rank. What did you did you notice um Michael Heg the Canadians prospect he plays on Michigan. He's supposed to be very very legit.

14:54 He was a good uh he was a really good passer. him and uh him and Hawk were really good together, especially on the power play, just kind of finding each other. You could tell that those two were kind of at a different level than everybody else. Uh just like their hockey sense wise

15:07 that they they were the two that were making like the little plays that you see in an NHL game, like little, you know, little breakout passes, hitting a guy through the middle, center low, not just like flipping it up and going to change. But G was telling me that uh what league is Harvard? ECAC.

15:23 Yes. That that's like their type of game. So maybe Harvard drug him into that type of fight and maybe if you know Michigan was playing a BC or a BU it would be a little different but all in all it was a fun fun experience. A ton of people um you know the hockey world obviously chicklets fans as well but yeah it was a blast to be there. Went with my brother and his two and his three boys too. So always fun to watch with them.

15:44 Is Cornell in that same division? Yes. This year I think the top team in the ECAC is Dartmouth. They've looked very good.

15:51 You know who plays at Dartmouth? Who? Kate McCrae's brother. Shut up. Yeah. Yeah. I noticed that he follows me on on social media, so I followed him back. I haven't said anything yet. I was I was I was going to uh DM him like blink twice, you know, if if if she's working undercover, but

16:11 it's probably just some random kid named McCrae. No, no, there's pictures up with her and stuff like that. But but somebody reposted it. Maybe it was her of them pumping somebody like 72. So he he's playing there now. And then uh um just quickly going back to the university talk um uh of Chickletu. Uh G's actually doing Beu next one

16:33 this weekend. He's filming it. And I got to try I got all the kids solo this weekend. The wife's away on a little girls trip. It's one of the most intimidating things of all time. I think dads out there will tell you you got you got now. Also show her happy birthday Ryder. Day after Thanksgiving he turned eight. So Ryder's eight. Wyatt's five. Cal's one. And I got them all from Friday, Friday morning to Sunday night. So, it's like I'll be doing like um pregame naps and like maybe some pregame meals getting ready for the weekend. And we have Amazon Prime Coast to Coast Thursday night. I can't wait for that.

17:05 So, I'll be driving home after and then getting right into it. So, I'm going to try to get

17:08 So, you got a late night coast to coast. They should we should let you leave after the early games cuz you're doing that. That's [ __ ]

17:15 Guys, don't even don't even be too nice. I want to stay with you guys. I want to watch those late games. those 10:00 starts. You see some crazy stuff happen in some of those games. Maybe Celibbrini will be playing. I'm obsessed with watching Celabbrini. I'm obsessed with the Anaheim Ducks. Anaheim Chicago on Sunday. What a hockey game. But quickly, I'm going to try to get into BEu to be a part of that with G. And if not, I think we I can go back with him in film and get involved in that before it releases. But I love that he's finally representing the Terriers on that. And going back to uh to the one with Maine, I thought that the players that he did it with were like they brought such good enthusiasm in that one and it really like drew me in. So unreal facility. I love how the like the the modernization of like the the the locker room and everything they got going in there and then you walk out that crazy tunnel they

18:02 got and then boom, the old school barn with the nostalgia. I know we've had a lot of content coming out with the sandbagger peeking and stuff, but any of you chicklets fans, make sure you check that out cuz those are that's one of our best series going. Shout out to Fishing G and Merl's on this one, too. So,

18:18 and Mer and Peeking final episode Wednesday 8:00 PM Eastern. Yeah, we peing very excited for that final one. By you guys, you guys emotional a very emotional and then humorous uh ending in a sense where Yeah. This was not planned before we started filming this and by the end of it, it was it was a one of the best life experiences I've ever had and I can't wait for you people to see it. About an hour long.

18:43 We have a trailer. I want to see it. We got a lot of new characters. This is when it gets a little dicey. This is insane.

18:52 Got run over by a truck. It was like touch and go if I was going to die or not. These roots, it's like a minefield.

18:58 You got to catch up to those guys. We're in a different planet right now. Oh no. Wait, wait, wait, wait. No, no.

19:06 I'm going down. This doesn't make sense now, does it? This Suzuki purr like an Irish gypsy.

19:12 Can you believe it? Can't wait. That talk perspective. That's a perspective type video. I could tell from the from the trailer, Biz.

19:21 Yeah, we've had a lot of that with with which I love having that. It's good. You know, I'm trying to I'm I'm getting rattled about three kids alone all weekend. It's like, buddy,

19:31 would you ever hire? Would you ever hire? I'm I'm I'm joking around. We'll have a blast. We got games all weekend anyways. We buzzing around.

19:40 But would you ever like maybe bring a buddy in or just like one extra helping hand? Like just call somebody.

19:45 I'll see if I'll see if uh Susie Wit's around for sure. Brother, what? Do the Brian Yandle. Whenever his wife would leave for like an hour, he'd have like 15 people at the house just, you know, all hands on deck. It takes

19:58 I know. But back then, none of us had kids. We had nothing to do. Now everyone has kids stuff going on. I might drag

20:04 nothing though. His kids are out of the house. Exactly. Wait, Bis, I'm getting news here. You You hurt your L5S1 again. If it's after this track workout I saw you post about

20:15 I tweaked it on the track workout, but but hey, listen. Why are you doing track workouts?

20:20 Cuz I I had a I've been going consistently in a sense of like working out. I had two good hikes. I think because of the the the two hikes, I was a little tight lower body and didn't get a big enough dynamic warm-up. And then I did one um you know when you kind of do a couple bound jumps and then you and then you sprint.

20:37 No, I don't. That's the thing. I don't. Yeah. When I feel gone, I don't play anything dog.

20:43 Yeah, I tweaked it. But you know what though? I got up this morning at 6:30 and went and saw my trainer for 8 o'clock and, you know, did the bike and did some movement stuff and just making sure I'm stretching my hip flexors. So, I'm not going to if I ever do it again like I did LA yesterday, I'm not going to let it bring me down anymore. I'm going to I'm going to take a few anti-inflammator Why you make Don't make that [ __ ] face with

21:06 I'm not making [ __ ] I was thinking of something I'll say when you're done. That's it.

21:11 Say it now. That I know you're saying you're not going to make a big deal of it. It's not going to affect you. But there is a guy

21:19 who can really say that an injury will not affect him and that's Kyle Paul Mary dude.

21:24 Yes. Because that play and that shift and he gets into the corner and an absolute bummer for the Islanders who've been a surprising great Oh, I hadn't seen that picture. Jesus,

21:35 that's a tough one. So he's with Dale in the corner gets uh you know tangled up and you could tell not necessarily it was a torn ACL, but all right, he's wounded here. He's limping off and I don't know who on Philly had the puck, but he strips him. That poor bastard had no clue. Like he's coming behind him, limping out there like Biz, if your L5S1's hurting, you're you're down. I think I think the trainers coming out. Paul Mary gets himself off. And what a video to show to young kids. There are so many young kids who lay on the [ __ ] ice when nothing's wrong. Get up. Figure it out. Get up. And Paul Mary, who had every right to lay down with a torn ACL, strips the defense from the puck. Little dish over. Heinman ends up burying it. And the Islanders, I think they were down three nothing at the time. It got him going a little bit, but I just feel horrible for him. Out for the year now. What' you think of the

22:27 play? Oh, well, I I thought he broke his leg the way that he reacted and the way that he went down, right? Because you you could hear the the yelp. And some fans obviously still confused with the rules were like, "Why wasn't that offside?" the defenseman brought the puck back in his own end because he had no clue that Paul Mary was still in the zone. Um and or like did they just he obviously probably didn't notice because he was probably in behind the net and and next thing you know he just

22:55 fans were saying it was too many men. So maybe it was but it's almost like ah guys I think we got to deal with this one.

23:03 Yeah. I think you nailed it though. the the the like the consumate hockey player video of just battling through it, still making the play and and

23:11 it's a little bittersweet, right? You get this viral clip that you could show kids for the for the rest of of your life and you kind of get the whole put that feather in your cap, but you also lose another very important piece to your lineup. I mean, that's Romanov and then now him in the last few weeks where man, they had such a good start. They had such good momentum like you know at that point I'm like damn they could be fighting for a playoff spot but if with losing him and then Romanov I don't know man that's a those are two very difficult losses at the front and back end. So uh but just like you said an ultimate clip Yans.

23:46 Yeah and wait I'm glad that you said that about the little kids because I had a conversation with my nephews. I was watching their games over u over last week. They were playing some games up in Canada and like kids would get like this fake hurt and be down on the ice and then like the puck would get loose and they jump up quick and take two hard strides. Like I remember my dad telling me like you're giving your parents a heart attack if you're laying on the ice. Like somebody might not know what happened. You're worrying everybody else when you're just laying on the ice. So kids, if you can get up, get up, please.

24:16 And save the embarrassment of yourself because if you do get up and then get in a hard check, you look like a fake uh faker. So, play the game honest. Play it like Kyle Paul Mary and you might get rewarded with an assist like he did.

24:29 And you mentioned your dad and not trying to be a hardo. It's like I think my dad and your dad quite often told Brian and I like if you're down like you better you better there better there better be an injury there. And I'm talking a lower body injury cuz if it's upper body this the legs are fine. That's why Paul Mary getting up is that impressive. I mean a lot of people torn ACL you're getting helped off the ice. So a cool moment. Um, also quickly with the Islanders, my favorite Schaefer play of of this week actually was a penalty by him. I don't know if you saw him with his quick ass feet dive head first. He ended up tripping Ryan Leonard. They'd already been battling in front of the net. He had no stick and he just boom and dove. He ended up getting a penalty for it, but like broke the play up. Then he got in his face again. So Schaefer just mustwatch TV every single time. Um uh we also All right. So G's telling me

25:19 right here we got to talk about Oh, another defenseman signing. Now he's off the market in UFA. Sorry, Keith. What do you got? Mat,

25:27 let's bring him in. No [ __ ] Right. Holy [ __ ] Surprising us. What's up? Thanks for having me, guys.

25:37 Hey, congratulations, dude. Thank you. Appreciate it. Hey, you came a long way from dressing up as me for Halloween, Mike. I'm proud of you. Oh, we did.

25:46 I forgot that. What did you wear to make yourself look like Yans? For sure. Air Force Ones.

25:51 Basketball. On the head. Cone on the head. Cone on the head. Yeah, that was that was pretty gutsy for a young guy.

25:59 Yeah, that's that's not really my style. I'm surprised I did that. No. And I think every someone asked me before and I was like, "Yeah, but I'm going to ham it up and pretend like I'm mad at him." And I think I stayed mad at you for like a week.

26:11 Uh, three weeks. But yeah, you were mad. You were mad that he did that. No. No. Fake mad.

26:16 He didn't talk to me for it. Well, felt real to me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. When Yans gets mad at you, it's very intimidating.

26:25 I saw it happen with with Boyd Gordon the one year they were they almost went out back in the parking lot where the with the players entrance and they almost had it out. Yans was putting on the foil.

26:36 Yeah. Maddie, congratulations. You must be pumped. obviously uh staying in Montreal, the team that you grew up watching as well.

26:45 Yeah, thank you. Yeah, I think we uh it's a great group here, so I was uh I didn't want to go anywhere else, so I'm happy to get it done.

26:53 Did you think at all about I mean, I know you say you didn't want to go anywhere else, but when I saw your contract come in, it it's a hell of a bargain, right? Like you you're you're making plenty of money, but at the same time, if you'd gone to UFA, I think it would have been a a much bigger payday. I I don't know if you agree with that. Like, did that thought go through your mind or was it more about being happy in Montreal?

27:15 Yeah, definitely. I I think I I can be realistic and and kind of know my value at a certain point, but I feel like it was more important for me to stay here. Um I my main goal was to be on a team that has a chance to win in in the near future, and I feel like we have that here. Um, obviously I've got my family here and got two kids now and that brings a lot more to the table than just, you know, being a 21-year-old that is is only focused on hockey. Um, so I felt like on the hockey side, like I definitely wanted to stay here. Um, and then yeah, I I feel like it's important to to be able to show your teammates that you're willing to take less, leave more money on the table for for them to bring in other guys, especially as we're getting into those years where hopefully we start contending and stuff like that if everybody's taken a little bit less.

28:08 Like you've seen it on all the teams that have been able to do it. Like Pit back in the days, like talking to the guys that I played with there, that's what they all did. Um, you know, Florida's been showing that lately. Um, so it's it's important to be able to do that to keep the the group together.

28:26 What's your nickname? What do the guys call you on the team? Um, so actually this started when I was in Florida. Remember, uh, Mike Hoffman called me Billy.

28:37 Yeah. And it never stuck at all in Florida. Fact. Um, so obviously it's because of Billy Madison, like Mike Mat. And uh yeah, never stuck in Florida. He brought it here in Montreal and all the young guys thought it was hilarious. So that's been it ever since.

28:54 I can see Cfield getting a chuckle out of that and just keeping it going. Oh yeah.

28:59 Well, he gets to be [ __ ] So it's like self-proclaimed. Well, well, Billy, so so so you grew up watching the Canadians. You were you were born in Point Clair, Quebec.

29:11 Yeah, it's like uh 20 minutes outside downtown Montreal. So you sound like you're English. Like obviously you probably grew up like being bilingual. Like are you more French or more more English?

29:22 More English. Yeah. The uh so that's like the west part of uh the island of Montreal out where the airport is predominantly English. Um but uh so yeah, I I grew up English in an English community, but went to French school to learn how to speak French. Oh, so that's a perfect like when you got there it's it could be probably a little bit o overwhelming for some guys and like the way that you're able to communicate obviously with your English teammates but also then answer like you know French media which could be a little bit difficult sometimes like you've probably felt like that transition was unbelievable when you ended up coming over.

29:57 Yeah, I mean I was I I went to school in Boston played in the USL. So by the time I got traded here I was in the States for you know 10 11 years. Um, so my French was definitely a little rusty at that point. And I remember like I got traded and then had a press conference like right right away and I knew that it's it's important to people in Montreal to like have a Quebec guy speaks French and and so I was so nervous. I was like this is my one shot, my first impression. Um, and so it went okay. But now that I've been here for four years, like I I've definitely picked it back up a lot more

30:34 so far this year. I mean, a a good start for you guys, like maybe slowed down a little bit, but I'm more interested kind of in in in Demidadov, like this guy. We've talked about him numerous times on here, the skills and like how exciting he makes the game. Is it one of those things where in practice he's pulling things off that he hasn't even tried in a game yet that you're just always like, "Holy shit."

30:56 Oh, yeah. I mean, I I listen to you guys and obviously listen to you guys talking about him and he's he's incredible. like the stuff he can do on his edges. Obviously, his hands are insane, his vision, but like the way he can cut and turn and spin off guys is so hard to defend. As a defenseman going against him in practice, like you have to give him a little bit of extra space. And um I feel like guys around the league like you know the guys that you you have to be more careful with and and give them a little more time and space like you you always see guys like Cuchov they kind of have a little extra space all the time but it's cuz you have to otherwise they make you pay for it. And I feel like for a guy to kind of already have that in what's he played 20 25 games into his career guys already know that he's one of those guys.

31:47 Is he wearing like the the Gucci track shoots? tracksuits to the rink like what's he wearing?

31:52 No, he's uh he's New Balance. He's a Warrior guy, so just all New Balance sweatitos.

31:58 They The Russians love the track suits, eh? Oh, yeah. They [ __ ] love the trackies. Oh, man. Is he Is he uh is he like cocky off the ice or like what's his temperament like?

32:10 No, super like quiet, calm. His English is very good. Um which I was surprised by. Yeah, really, really good. And uh that was actually a funny story about the the sweatto was obviously this year there's no dress code and stuff like that. And so um we've been trying to find our our way through it um without looking too crazy. And uh one time we were traveling and the text kind of came out the night before like uh just just look professional, right? And so he comes in the next morning with his sweatto on and his vest on ready to go onto the plane. They're like, "Ah, that might not be it."

32:49 He's like, "This is all I packed." Yeah, exactly. Different color New Balance tuxedos.

32:54 Yeah. Yeah. Didn't mean any harm by it. Like, he's such a great guy. That's awesome.

32:59 Matty, how how fun is it for you? Cuz I know I mean I know you're 31 years old now, but I also know that you're a rink rat. Always a guy like you got a kick out of the rink every day. But having those young guys around for you, like just keeping you young, keeping and obviously with your son around the rank too, I'm sure it's amazing. But how fun is it just being around those young guys and how much energy they bring every day?

33:21 Yeah, I mean it's contagious, right? It's uh especially for the the you know the rookies that are like walking into every new building for the first time and and experiencing like the you know the Blackhawks um national anthem for the first time and uh we just played in Vegas and all those things that like there's different elements to each city and each team that you play against that um it's fun to kind of let that rub off in you off you. But um no, I think I I think it helps two ways. Like I'm definitely a more serious guy and and takes things pretty seriously and and so they kind of rub off on me a little bit that um you know things could could be could be worse sometimes like it's not the earth isn't fallen and and stuff like that. So that helps me as a person, as a player coming into the rink feeling that energy and that youth. So, um, yeah, it's really fun to be a part of.

34:18 Whit, you've, uh, you've mentioned this before and, uh, we were there for the Four Nations, but playing in Montreal, it's nice cuz it feels like the fans, they know so much about hockey where they'll cheer even the subtle little defensive plays where maybe you don't really find in other buildings. So, you grew up there, you grow grew watching them, so you probably were accustomed to it. But it must have been nice when you finally got moved back there just to like where you're getting that credit when you're making these little plays where where they really take notice.

34:46 Yeah, they do. And and it's funny. It's It's almost like uh cuz they do understand the game so well. It's dead silent when nothing's happening because everyone's actually paying attention, right? And and so you kind of feel the silence, too, and then the contrast of when something happens, which is pretty cool. I think in some other buildings sometimes there's a bit more of like a a social scene where it's kind of a little bit of a buzz all the time. Um whereas it's like dead silent and then like you said, you make a good good poke check and you're getting cheers for it. And so especially for a guy like me, I'm I'm I'm not like the young guys that we have that are just doing ridiculous things with the puck all the time. So I I'll take any uh any cheer I can get.

35:31 Yeah. Poke check in. You're [ __ ] giving us this one of the crowd. It is the top place. It is the top place though for like it kind of goes back I mean doesn't go back to PK but he was part of it where you have players like Lane Hudson and Demidov and when they start like reeling it up that is the one building you're like all right they're all the fans are do are are like watching this happen and getting louder and louder. That's the best part of being there. And yeah, like you said, a little 5 foot breakout pass on your backhand and you're getting a round of applause.

36:04 You'll take it when you can get him. Um, my question for you is I mean it's pretty obvious to people who watch the game have seen you play. You're one of the best skating defenseman in the league and I I didn't know where that came from. Like was that something always a strength of yours? Something you really focused on at a younger age because it's it's incredible to watch how it looks so easy to you with how fast you're going and and your edge work. He's not even the best skater in his house, dude. His wife's a better skater than him.

36:31 Oh, she played. Yeah, Team USA. Yeah. Oh, okay. Your kids are getting high stock on their kids, biz.

36:39 Yeah, I will. Yeah, I always say if we were to do like a trophy case and stuff like that in our house, it' be all her stuff. I don't have anything. So, um, no, I think for for myself, I've always been, I'd say, above, um, you know, the average in terms of skating, but but definitely something that I focused on as well, um, and worked hard on to to be able to get to where I am.

37:04 Did you have like a a specific uh, skating coach? No. No. I mean, uh, all through my career, I Yans probably knows Mr. V. uh worked with him a lot in college. Uh Greg Brown, who's who's now the head coach at BC, I had him as an assistant at BC. He was an incredible skater. He he'd still he'd jump in on drills in a track suit with us and be the best player on the ice as a coach.

37:32 And uh so definitely learned a lot from him. Um just kind of like small things within the game that just make it so much easier as a defenseman whether it was skating or you know stick placement on box outs and just those little elements that that help so much especially in the pro game.

37:50 So when what you said when you were at BC he was he was one of the coaches. Yeah he was the assistant coach and then he I think he left for two years to go coach in the US and then when uh Jerry York uh retired he took over. head coach.

38:05 Wow. So, you never had a a specific like person in the off season helping you. That I mean, Whit hit it on the head. That's like the one thing, especially when you were with Pittsburgh that one year. That's when I really noticed you come on the scene cuz you were playing in Florida before that. I'll never understand why why Pittsburgh traded you after that unreal year you guys had. But, so like in practice, like you he you would see him do something and you would just like ask him a question like, "Hey, like why did you do that like with with that motion and stuff?" Did you just slowly pick things up?

38:35 Yeah, pretty much. I mean, it was it was a bit of a trial and error sometimes in games, but um I feel like a lot of it is just repetition before and after practices, getting used to um you know, as defenseman, you talk a lot about like kickbacks and and not crossing over, especially in battles and stuff like that. And um it's it's super foreign and uncomfortable when you first start doing it cuz you're so used to just crossing over left and right to pick up speed. Um but the more I worked at it, the more comfortable I I was at it. And um was able to kind of just start implementing in into my game without thinking about it. You know,

39:16 it's weird now. It's like all the forwards all they do is cross over to gain speed where I feel like a lot of coaches tell the Dman, it's like no. when you cross over, that's what he going to beat you. You got to just open up,

39:28 especially how fast they are now. That's what Lstrom was so sick at is was just those C cuts. He never crossed over skating backwards. So, it was like you couldn't you couldn't beat them. Um, there was a quick question that popped up from the chat. Uh, in your experience so far, like what do you

39:44 Yeah, I don't know if you could see that right there. Like Boston or Toronto, is there a different vibe and a bigger rival to you when you got a home game against one of those two?

39:52 Great question. that. Yeah, that's a good question. I I don't know. I I think there's nothing like a Saturday night in the Bell Center. Um and so that's kind of already up top and then whenever it's Toronto or Boston, it just adds fuel to the fire. Um

40:11 whether there's a a bigger kind of rivalry between one of the one or the other, I'm not sure. I'd say it probably has to do with where the teams are at in the standings and what's going on in the year that that particular year. Um, so I they're they're both pretty special

40:30 for you guys. You pro I mean everyone I know even when we played like you circled that data when you were going to play Montreal. So you know you guys every night are getting everyone's a game or at least their afforder cuz you want to show out in those games, right? the when you're in Toronto, when you're in Montreal, when you're in Boston. So, even for you guys, even with such a young team, like getting everyone's agame every night, it's got to be a challenge throughout 48 or what is it? 42 home

40:54 41. 41. 41. Um, no. Yeah, it's it's uh you got to use it to your advantage, too, and and know that you're going to get really good energy out of the crowd and kind of let that lift you up. But um I mean you guys know it takes time to to be able to figure out what your B game is and within your own career, right? Um it's it's impressive the guys that can come in and be super consistent right away. Um you know, I know that I I struggled with that earlier in my career where I'd have some unbelievable games where everything was going right and then I'd have some that were awful. and uh bridging the gap between those two is is not easy to do when you're playing against the best players in the world.

41:39 Um and so it's it's something that takes time to figure out. No doubt. Well, thank you so much for

41:46 Well, I just had a couple more. I just wanted to ask about uh what it's like being coached by Martin St. Louis and then also probably one of the more underrated players still in the league, Nick Suzuki, where you know he's just [clears throat] he he just gets it done. So, first I guess start with St. Louie and your your your you know your relationship with him and just his his style of coaching.

42:07 Well, I think it's uh it's pretty special to have a guy that has the resume that he has um to work with every day. Um I think it just brings so much respect and credibility right from the get- go that he knows what he's talking about. Um and then to just the passion that he has. I mean, he's made more than enough money in his career. he, you know, he's not doing this because he needs money or something. He's not doing it cuz he necessarily, you know, didn't win a cup and wants to win a cup. It's he's kind of accomplished everything that he needs to in the game to be acceptable to just ride off into the sunset and and he's not he's here grinding away, bringing that energy and passion every single day. And and so you know that it's real. He's not faking it.

42:56 And uh that's that's pretty contagious for players to be able to experience that. And and so we're not even talking about, you know, how intelligent he is as as a coach and how how well he understands the game and makes you think about the game totally different. Um but just that kind of passion aspect is is pretty impressive to be around. Um

43:17 it must be Sorry, Matt. It must be nice to cuz I know in the beginning of your career and you've had coaches that were like that old school type where soon as practice is done they're off the ice but all the clips you see Marty like he's helping guys work on their game and he's he's out there showing guys what they should do like that that must be amazing to see.

43:36 Yeah. I mean, I I'm sure as a head coach, it's it's very difficult to um to kind of keep focusing on the macro of everything, right? Like what does the team need and what does at the end of the day, a team is just a sum of a bunch of individuals doing the same thing together. And so he he really gets that that you know, whether it's confidence, whether it's giving a guy a boost or whatever the case may be that it boils down to like what can I get out of each individual? Um, and so like he said, that's not fake. That's not, you know, he's not doing that every so often. He's out there all the time picking guys out, talking to them. What do you see? What do you think? Um, and so I I think that really gets the best out of each guy individually.

44:24 And Billy, just going back to Suzuki, it's Olympic year. Oh, they look at our crew behind the scenes. They work quick, don't they?

44:34 That was fast. Wow. Oh yeah. Yeah, we got him in a cage back there. We know now that now you they'll get fed after now that they came up that one raw.

44:44 Uh Suzuki, I feel like he, you know, bit of a snub last year. What uh you know, you know, Olympic team, would he be on your Olympic team? You're you're a passionate Canadian. What can he bring to the Olympic lineup?

44:57 I think he could play any line, right? like he could play center, he could play wing, he could be a guy that you put on the power play, he penalty kills when when we need him to. Um, you know, he can play a super responsible game or he can, you know, drive offense. And so I I feel like especially in a tournament format like that where um we saw with fornations like there's a couple injuries here and there and you need guys to slot in and out and and stuff like that. like what better player to have than a guy that can kind of do it all like him. And so yeah, I think you know, you look at him getting the captaincy at I don't know how old he was exactly, but um 22 23 maybe at that point, maybe even younger, I'm not sure, but um to be able to do that in a city like Montreal and it it was just kind of like, yeah, that's fine. I can handle that. And then goes out and has his best year of his career and then the next

45:54 year follows it up with an even better year. And last year was even better. and then this year he's on pace for a crazy year. So, um yeah, he's he's super impressive to be around. Always kind of has that calm demeanor which uh which is huge for our group to to be able to be a guy that's um you know somewhat early on in his career still and and um pretty close in age to a lot of the guys that uh that are pretty young on our team still. Um, but be able to show how you can have that demeanor and that success no matter how many games you've played, how old you are. Um, is is really uh something special.

46:34 I I guess my my last question would be just about about Lane Hudson. Like it's it's incredible to watch him. He's also another guy we talk a lot about like so elusive. He's so quick. And my thing to you is like the year before he came in, you had over 60 points running the first power play. something that's like it's incredible to look at those numbers and then he comes in he ends up kind of getting that role after a little bit like was that hard for you or is it something where you're like I understand what's going on here like it just for me would have been tough because of what you had proven the year before having that role.

47:07 Yeah, I think I think that kind of boils down to ego, right? like it is is it would that bother you because you're not getting as many points and and if that's the case like why does that actually matter? Um is there is there a way that you can find value elsewhere in your game where you're kind of being an important part of the team but maybe it's not scoring goals and and so that's what I tried to do is um he's so special at what he does and he's way better than me at it. So like who am I to kind of fight that, right? Um he he's obviously bringing a lot to the table on that side of the puck to to drive success for our team. And so my job is to find a different way to to drive success for the team and and be an important part of the team.

47:59 Wow, what a classy answer. Round of applause. We got to get a couple clicks in the chat for this guy.

48:05 That's leadership, guys. That's leadership. Hey, busy leadership success. Hey, thank you so much for surprising us.

48:13 Yeah, congratulations, buddy. I I appreciate you coming on. We all do. And um you know, good luck the rest of the way, dude. Congrats on everything.

48:20 And Billy, one more. What are you going to splurge on now that you signed another big ticket? Anything?

48:26 Not really, honestly. We'll see. I think there's a couple things around the house that my wife and I were hoping to do and holding off on because we didn't know for sure whether we'd be here. But uh

48:37 yeah, finally going to get that skating coach. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You think I'll put a little bit more on my

48:43 Ro a couple index funds. All right, Billy. Me. Yeah. Anytime. See you later. What a get Yans [ __ ] rights, man. Woo. Woo.

48:57 That is uh that is something pretty cool that he's like I just had 60 points. He's better than me at it and I'm gonna That's ego. It is ego. And that's a pretty cool like mature answer from a guy that there's a reason he has the A on his jersey. And and that great guest, Yans, you're crushing that and surprised guest action.

49:14 Why did Why did Pittsburgh move on from him? Why did Florida move on from him? That's another

49:21 Well, Florida's one that you could be like, okay, well, they cops, but but Pittsburgh. Yeah. I don't I don't don't understand that one. What was even the trade, G? Can you look that up?

49:30 I think it was Petri. Petri, I think. Oh, yeah. Petri's older, too. Yeah, older than Petri. Hey, Petri could skate back in the day, too. When I played with him in Anaheim, all smooth two strides, half the ice. It was crazy.

49:45 Pretty crazy that he skates that well and never had a designated skating coach. That's

49:51 He's also the biggest freak I've ever seen. Like in the gym, he won the like he was doing like 50 pull-ups. He's a freak.

49:57 Really? Really? Yeah. Doesn't drink or nothing. He He's a freak. That guy, man. Billy.

50:03 Wow. Does he have like like quadzillaas or huge legs or is it everything? Everything, dude. He's shredded. Six-pack, huge legs, everything except for the

50:14 We We can't say a word. None of us could say a word on that one. Uh Mat and a two 2023 fourth round pick from the Penguins of the Canadians for Petri and Ryan Polling. So,

50:27 probably one that the Penguins wish Hexall. That was a Hex deal. Yeah, that'll get you that'll get you sent to

50:35 That's a tough one. Um Well, hey, Penguins play the Flyers tonight in in what should be a good one. And looking at the East, they sit as 78, the two wild card teams right now. No, I Nobody saw this coming. That's that's that's that's

50:50 No, I know. one number off. I'm trying missed it, but I would have been down if it was six and seven, but seven. Um, so that's going to be a good one tonight. Philly very surprising. We've talked a little bit about Pittsburgh. Um, the Zagris thing is awesome and and he's come in there. He's got 24 points in 24 games. He's a legitimate wizard in the shootout. You can't stop him in the shootout.

51:12 I think he's 67% in his career. And like for uh um comparison, like Kane's like 40%. So I I don't Ziggress is just he has move after move and I think he's just waiting for the goalie to do something. He comes in so slow off the wall. They're giving up less goals. So that Vladar deal looks great and and and I think figured out a way to because they're not scoring that much more than last year. They're just giving up less. So talk, good for him, man. Like I didn't see this. I thought both these teams would be bottom five.

51:44 Yeah. I mean you touched on goalending. Vidar has been playing. He Vdara was great last year with um out in Calgary doing the one two with Wolfie. Um and as far as Zagris is concerned, I believe he's got the highest shootout percentage since it was introduced to the NHL as a

52:01 Yeah, he's got the highest. I'm sure I think what I thought Whit just said that.

52:05 Oh, no. I didn't say high. I said what it was, which was six%. Uh but I didn't say it was the highest. I didn't know it was the highest.

52:12 No, he's number one, Yans. Wow. Yeah, he didn't say that. So check yourself brother.

52:16 My bad. He hasn't he hasn't missed this year right? And another big component though is is they I believe they're 5-0 in shootouts. So you think about those five extra points. Like that's a make or break for that team to get into playoffs. They brought that up on the TNT call today about his wizardry. And um who's who's second? Um like do we have a list of maybe the top five? And keep in mind here, he's probably shot 20 to 25 times. So, we're not talking about a guy who's only went like five times and he's got like a 60 or 70% or I guess that would be impossible. 60 or 80%. Um, but uh what are the who are the Yeah, you got it G.

52:55 So, number two is he's a current player. I'll let you guys guess. And he plays for Dallas

53:01 Robertson, correct? Who's also [ __ ] lightning. He Oh, that guy's insane right now.

53:07 We talked about Tuck being the probably the biggest soughtafter free agent. For sure. Sure. It's got to be Robertson, right?

53:13 Yeah, but Robertson's RFA and Cuck's UFA. Oh, he's cuz he only signed a a bridge.

53:20 Yeah, he doesn't he's not UFA yet. So, but listen, I feel like players like he's got matter now.

53:27 He's got one year of restricted free agency, maybe two. He's got all the cards. He's got them by the balls. If he's like, I move on for me. He can go sign. He's getting easily over 10 now. I don't know how now based on this year like why would Dallas even could keep thinking about like getting rid of him. Like he's insane. That team, dude, I had the Dallas Ottawa game on a little bit yesterday. They pumped Ottawa who's on this ridiculous road trip, but they Wyatt Johnson, I I wish I didn't just say his name. He leads the league in power play goals like in this in this past two NHL seasons. I wouldn't have guessed that. He had a hat-tick. Ronin was a was a machine. He gave he gave Wyatt Johnson an assist. Didn't even look. He's behind the net. I don't even know how he saw him. Backhand dish. He buries that. Then he gave Jamie Ben a tap and he took it off his foot and just fired it through the crease. Dallas is

54:21 second in the league right now. Dude, they are. And but they're not getting talked about like Colorado. What did suck in the game was though that giant defenseman is it Bashelle? U

54:31 he went down and it looked really bad. He was like like it looked like really bad. Not. The weird thing was the interview wasn't one of those gross ones. You got to look away, but his pain and what he was doing on the ice, I was like, "Shit." Because their D is so good and their forwards with Robertson like this like, yeah, they're going to be very difficult to beat and you know, they're going to play Colorado and go to seven games and then it's like the the does the Ranton show happen again? So,

54:58 well, the good news it doesn't have to be in the first round and we can probably get that one in the second round. That's a ridiculous first round matchup.

55:04 Yeah. ridiculous too much. Ranton looked like I was watching that game too where he looked like vintage jogger. Like when he would just turn his back and guys would just fall off of him and then spin, make a pass. Like he was outstanding. That Robinson goal, the one that he scored, did you see how open he had uh I think it was Maverick Bourke back door wide open for a one-timer and didn't pass it. I was like, "Oh my god, pass it. Pass it." And then he sniped it. Obviously, that's when you know you're good when you can just look guys off back door and snipe. the one where he just went like over the glove.

55:35 That was the craziest part about that goal was it I don't know how he got it. Maybe off a turnover. Stutzel's chasing him through the middle and like almost went to pass him off and he nobody was there. It was like it's probably cuz I talked about how good Stutzel's been. I completely just chled mush.

55:51 It's like the opposite of uh Joe Thornton. I guess when he was in San Jose, Todd Mlullen would have meetings and he'd play video of where like he had like the whole net would be open and Joe would be looking for a guy back door to just give him a sick pass for a tap in and he'd stop the tape and be like, "Joe, you got to shoot that." And he'd be like, "Nope, I'm a passer."

56:10 Robertson's like, "Nope, I'm a shooter. I'm a shooter. Shooter shoot." Yeah. So why Johnson has 11 power play goals already this year? I feel like that's an incredible season and he's played what 25 games. So Dallas, Dallas and Colorado just complete wagons. Another wagon, the Tampa Bay Lightning.

56:31 Some Lightning fans, couple fans in my DMs. When are you going to really discuss this team? I said, I apologize. We'll get on.

56:37 The Jurgens out. Yep. And based on their start, it was maybe a little worrisome, but now they got Vaselki who's just being himself again. And I think he's like over 910 save percentage. I had it here.

56:52 Well, I got the full I got the full breakdown. And I sent uh there it is right there. I sent this to Coupe and uh and RA and I said that you owe you owe RA's world a little pop in for the chicklets bump that we gave him. Like look at these [ __ ] numbers, guys. This is Hey, when when did we have them on the podcast? Do you remember the date?

57:11 When we were in New York. Uh October 23rd. Wow. It was October 23rd. So the next day they start this run. And Coupe was obviously at that point he was he was a little self-deprecating. He said he might be joining us on the pod if it continued because he thought he'd be getting the hook. But no, third or 15 and three, second for for goals for per game, second in the NHL in goals against per game. Just remarkable. Cucheri has 27 points in those 18 games. Hegel, he's got 26 in 17 games. He's that radish kid. They got the He's got his His brother's in the league, too, isn't he?

57:48 Yeah, he's in the Rangers, I think, isn't he? Yeah, that's right. He's had a great start to the year. He's 12 points in those in the last 14 games. So, I mean, Posh is loving these advanced stats numbers right here.

58:00 Well, he ain't loving that it's not the Devils we're talking about, though. How many the the amount of injuries they've had, too, right? Like Headedman's out, Mcdun is out, Churnack, he's out too, right? points out

58:14 point and point hadn't even point hasn't really done anything this year right when he has played that's like the weirdest part like Biz would you ever look at a guy like Braden Point is he is he still is he injured right now or no

58:28 yeah he had a he had a pretty tough start to the year I don't know if it was something that was lingering where he just didn't look like himself off the hop his points aren't there like even eye tests like he just like didn't look like himself so he was one of those guys that was already announcing to the Olympic team though, right?

58:44 I don't know. But I looked at the the lines for the Four Nation final and he was playing on the top line that game like so I was wondering like is there any chance I didn't know he was he was a name that was already on

58:55 I think that he was in the top six guys who was already named to the team. So the the the and like yeah you know it's Coup's guy right? So for sure he's probably making it. But the fact that they're so deep at center ice if you're not playing good and you're a little bit banged up like I mean I wouldn't risk it.

59:13 I wouldn't risk it. You're we just talked to Mat a guy like Suzuki. You're telling me that you know you could have him. You could have Shley who's been on an absolute terror so far this year. There's like so many guys in the middle of the ice that they could bring that also can play other positions like he said too.

59:30 Yeah. You know what it is with that I've noticed that I I think is remember how they were like when they were on their runs like their bottom six. They're it was the Yanni Gourds, the Coleman's. They were a pain in the balls to play against and it feels like they're more playing that style of game. Obviously Cooch does his thing and he's like how many how many passes does Cooch have in that last game? Who' they play last game? The Rangers where he just comes over the blue line, stops up, hits a late guy. Like he's just so good. But I feel like they're getting led by their bottom six guys just for checking the [ __ ] out of these teams. You know, they might not be getting goals and points and stuff, but they're driving that team right now. And and and then Cooch is doing his thing like he always does.

1:00:09 Well, I mean that Radish kid, he's a bottom six. He might have been bumped up since they've had a few injuries, but I mean he had 12 points in the last 14 games. But I completely agree with you, Yans, like it was a great move to go get Gourd back

1:00:22 uh last year from from Seattle because I feel like he embodies what what Tampa likes to do and

1:00:28 like it goes back to just like Coup's comfortable with them, right? You don't want to keep having all this crazy turnover. You want to go back to guys that you feel comfortable with. And yeah, and boys, the craziest thing about all this is the fact that Coupe has never won a Jack Adams. Okay, so who cares? Who cares? Like, it doesn't I know I don't want to say it doesn't mean anything because it's a hell of an honor, but you just see guys getting gassed left and right after winning the Jack Adams. Like, I I I don't think Coupe honestly like cares that much.

1:01:02 Maybe I'm completely wrong on that. No, I don't think he care. He cares about cups and that's the those are the only that's the only hardware that matters. I just think that if they end up winning the Atlantic and and are in the top two teams in the East to finish off the year, I think that he deserves strong consideration. We just mentioned points been out, they got off to that slow. I just think it's remarkable the the buttons that he's able to push because we all know you get a coach for four or five years, all of a sudden guys start tuning them out a little bit. the message runs a little bit dry, but he always finds a way to remotivate those guys and get them firing on all cylinders. So, and like I mean it obviously helps that Vasilki is playing back to what we're used to from Basilki.

1:01:45 But I tell you what, considering we gave him the Chicklets bump, I will be beating I will be beating the Jack Adams Cooper for Jack Adams uh content all season long. But

1:01:58 he deserves it. And you know what? Uh that Connor Gi, he's down in the minor. He's lighting it up in Syracuse. But that's a pretty cool sign for uh Lightning fans based on his brother, right? Like didn't work at Carolina, didn't work at Seattle. Look at him now. He's enormous. So that's a guy, you know, is going to be coming in the next in the next few years. If not, like later this year, he could be back up play a big role in the playoffs. I don't know. But yeah, Tampa continue to do it. Cooch just once again really doesn't get I don't know why. Maybe it's just being in Florida. You'll never just hear about him as much as others. And he just dominates. Makes it look so easy.

1:02:34 It's sick. Um, guys, I do got to bring up Pink Whitney. I got to bring it up, boys. Pink Whitney's new label. Easier to find and buy and looking better than ever. I love it. New Pink Whitney 20ack shot buckets. Perfect for any party, occasion, or group gathering like Christmas time, holidays. Get that 20 pack shot bucket. A size for every occasion. a variety of small sizes to grab and go and larger sizes to share, gift, or enjoy at your at home bar. Um, it's the number one flavored vodka, guys. What an honor. It's the number one vodka 50ml size and it's number three in total spirits at the 50m size. So, shout out Pink Whitney, guys. Shout them out. Take your shot with Pink Whitney. Um, Blackhawks Anaheim yesterday was electric. Anaheim goes up three nothing. I think it was 10 minutes into the game, if not a little bit more, and it was like, "Holy [ __ ] what's going on here?" Kind of thought

1:03:32 there'd be a special matchup. Going into it, it was a lot of Bard number one, Carlson number two in their draft. They've both taken these enormous steps this year and Chicago comes roaring back. Okay, Baddard, Baddard's goal when it got behind everyone. I think it ended up being the winning goal. That move to be that in tight and I three different fakes. He ends up having the wide open net to slide it into. That was filthy. Ryan Green who played at BEu last year. He looks awesome on Chicago and they end up pulling out the win. But the best part was the McTavish and Baddard beef.

1:04:06 Baddard gets his fourth point. Burries the empty net. He's got two and two. He was joshing a little bit, wasn't he?

1:04:12 Well, they'd been going back and forth a little bit, him and McTavish. after Bard said like, "Oh, we're buddies. We were roommates." I think they played on that World Junior team together, right? That was the summer one. Um, and he mentioned like, "Oh, he loves playing against him." It seems like they hated each other, but maybe that was just two competitors going back. I loved seeing Bard

1:04:30 like that, like that that little edge to him. It was like, "Holy shit." You add this, too. It's like you're you're [ __ ] people, too. You're getting into the mix. After the game, there was a little skirmish. Love seeing McTavish go at him. Conor Murphy comes flying in with the chokeold. But the best part was Biz. I think we have like that could be a 10-year matchup with the age of those two teams and how they look in terms of rivalries building.

1:04:56 Oh, I I agree. And buddy, I'll say like I I think at this point now, the way that he's played, you almost have to put Connor Bard on the Olympic team.

1:05:05 Yeah. I think it's crazy if he's not on it. Yeah. because it's not worth also the like the the noise if you don't pick them. Like it'll just be a storyline. They'll be [ __ ] going into the gold medal game and they'll still be asking [ __ ] Coupe about it. Like it's it's crazy. But he is just you just talk about that snarl he's brought this year and that confidence and that pitbull mentality. It's uh he's on a different level right now. And you just talk about these two young squads going at it. I mean what's uh what's Gunther 21, Leo Carlson's 20. They're they're he's they're both leading their team in scoring. So, it's remarkable to see and and and I agree the trajectory of both these teams. This is going to be a great rivalry for years to come. And then throw Q in the mix, too, with the fact that he's back back playing against Chicago. So, pretty pretty cool.

1:05:53 It it's they defin like even towards the end of the year last year, they were a fun group to watch, playing hard, you know, scoring goals, having fun out there, but it it's definitely, you know, brought that over with them this year. Obviously, Blill has been great, too. But the snarl that, and you guys mentioned it, the snarl that Bard has and the rest of their group has, like they are not getting pushed around. But I think that they need to go out and get a legit heavyweight, a guy that can come in and be like, "Okay, if things are going to get a little, you know, weary, you have a killer to come in and really step up for the team." But I do love how they're in every single fight, every battle, they're not shying away from everything. They they they've been one of the funnest teams to watch this year, that's for sure. goalending kept them in every game. I feel like Spencer Knight's been awesome. Uh just finding ways.

1:06:41 Who's the young Dman there? Uh classic. He's awesome. Classic's awesome. Then the Russian kid Lunov like he's been great too like for such young players like the future is so good there. A lot of stuff that you know I'm sure if you're a Blackhawks fan will remind you of the ' 0708 you know around there. like you you're building for your future right now and they've got the pieces and fun group to watch and you can tell the crowds are into it too, right? Like

1:07:09 Lunov's 30 though. He has to be. Yeah, he's got four kids. I thought he's legit 30 years old.

1:07:14 My buddy was in lounge the other day. So, how about this stat though for Bard? uh four game four games in November he was held without a point and every game after he had multi-point outings and then the last one was was Sunday when he had four points. So that's even like crazier like all right I'm gonna I'm gonna get held off the score sheet like watch next game that's like just a sign of like another year in the league another year older I'm with you you're celebrating and him both have to be on the team no questions

1:07:45 asked and Schaefer throw throw the the future of Canada in the on the roster at least to start you talk about them getting uh like some sort of a heavyweight I feel like if if I know if I had a kid and he's like 6'2 and he's a big kid and even if He's got skill. I'm saying start taking [ __ ] boxing lessons in the summer cuz there's like there's a shortage of guys who could chuck him like and we could segue this conversation into Detroit cuz they don't really have one. And the fact that the Marit Cider has to fight fight Castellic the other night and get his eyes pumped shut. Listen, I think that that I I like the fact that Marit Cider has that to his game and he's willing to drop them with a guy like Castle as tough as he is, but they got to get somebody because they have a lot of young assets that are going to be hitting their primes here, which kind of started have like Lucas Raymond's hitting his prime now, right?

1:08:40 Like Larkin's in his prime. I would say Mar Cider is kind of, you know, he's just there, but they got to they also got to find somebody who can chuck him. Like you look at it, you now you know why a guy like Jano got as much money as he did. If you want to go,

1:08:56 you need a guy like or how about Olivier? Like you're right, Biz. I'm with you that that is the one role now that like it does. There's not a ton of guys like that. But it also is like, hey, your son's 6'2. He can skate. Maybe he has a chance of playing someday. Hey, get tough. Learn to fight. Like I it kind of has to be in you, too. Like that is not something that every kid that's big and can move is going to be willing to do. That's so difficult to find.

1:09:22 Here's your motivation. Look what Jano just got. He's getting [ __ ] paid like a he's making he's making a million dollars less than [ __ ] Geeky is

1:09:31 like No, I got a cousin my cousin Jeff Brown. He's got a kid and you know I follow his career obviously and I tell him every time I talk to him I said listen man you have to be

1:09:42 it doesn't matter how good you are coming up like the elite of the elite in the NHL. It's like you have to almost be born with it. Like there's

1:09:50 they're better than you. Sorry. God given and you're never going to get there. I said your main objective is go out there and work your bag off every shift. Be a piece of [ __ ] and just be noticeable. Bring energy. That's what that's that's where your role is and that's where you can find a spot in the NHL even if your skills are are average or maybe a little bit above average. So if you you got to obviously be able to skate to be able to play nowadays. But my god that definitely a few teams out there need to address some sort of toughness. And it wasn't even just Cider having to fight um Castillik Jano. I thought he broke Sandine Pelica's back.

1:10:31 I don't know if you saw the hit. He literally crushed him into the boards. He just folded like he's going down. His face is like ah and there's just nobody there like to do anything. And and that's that. Yeah, there's it's so hard to find guys that could play that role now. And Detroit, yeah, they do need somebody like that. I wonder if they have any maybe prospects coming up. Not sure. Maybe the Wings fans will let us know on that. Back quickly to uh the Anaheim Chicago game. Did suck for Anaheim. Morazzic. Morazzic went down like no contact and it looked bad. And Dosal is already out. So that's kind of something to keep an eye on in Anaheim.

1:11:06 You lose your goalies like you see Winnipeg's trying to just survive without uh without hella. Biz question for you. Did you see McCarron and Logan Stanley fight in Nashville? It was Nashville Winnipeg and at the end of the fight um big throw big punch thrown I think it was by McCarron when they were down and also the other moment fight I I saw this weekend was great for Tae Thompson

1:11:36 he went and fought Stephan Nosen after Nosen headsh shot him knocked him out last year so he's like and he said after the game he's like I figure I'll take care of my own business and he was chucking him and got the best of the fight in that fight uh but Even at the end of that fight, Thompson who's pissed off from last year. He kind of gave him one when it was down. I know. Like, did you ever do that when the guy's down, you keep throwing? Like, sometimes you're going so crazy you don't know. Were you able to calm yourself down?

1:12:01 I would say that if if there was a reason to, like if the guy was being a a piece of [ __ ] like for instance, like I remember we we used to play against Syracuse all the time and it would never be against Morassi because that would always be like a like a like a standoff where we would drop the glove. But that Derek Dorsett, he was a [ __ ] piece of [ __ ] to play against. And I have all the respect in the world for Dererick Dorset and and what he went on to end up doing in the NHL because exactly like I was just talking about a few minutes ago.

1:12:30 He's that guy who had average skill but showed up every game and was the biggest piece of [ __ ] on the ice. And he would fight above his weight class. Like I was a way bigger guy.

1:12:39 Every fight he was fighting above his class. And he was fast as [ __ ] too. Like you [clears throat] said, you got to move.

1:12:44 You got to you got to move, right? So he was a middleweight, but there was a few times where yeah, like on the way down knowingly that we were going down, I'd give him the extra one just cuz he was being extra shitty that day, but um he's the type of guy who could handle it. So I think it has to do with time and a place. Like obviously when Tae Thompson did it, I'm like, well, he's getting him back and answering his own bell for last year and he, you know, and he wants to get that extra one in and inflict a little bit of pain and which was done to him last year. So, I have no problem with that. I I have no issue when you're doing it like real late and there's no reason to. That's when when it's gutless. It's all about this the the situation. It goes back to to Patty Wah yelling it rotten and going down the tunnel like h most of the time I'm not happy with a coach talking to a player but it's Patty Wah just took out his guy

1:13:38 for five six months with a with a you know [ __ ] him up and he was passionate in the moment so I think we give that one a pass. So it has to do with with time and a place.

1:13:48 Can I ask you guys like on the Tae Thompson stuff there were obviously some rumors that he was unhappy in Buffalo. So, you know, those are neither confirmed or denied. But if if they finish, you know, bottom five of the league again, do you think there's any chance this summer that we see a trade request from Ta?

1:14:03 So, I I thought that G cuz when I saw him having to fight his own battle, I was [ __ ] rattled that somebody else on his team didn't do it cuz it's Tage Thompson. If he breaks his hand before Olympics, like I'd be, you know, just upset about it. But I heard he went in, a bunch of guys wanted to fight for him and he went into that locker room was like, I'm taking care of this and called the dogs off and he was like, I'm doing it myself. Which all the credit in the world to him for doing that.

1:14:32 Uh but yeah, I mean, he'd obviously be the biggest price tag in in the trade market this if if there was one for him this uh you know, whether it was at the deadline or over the summertime just because of how young he is, how good he is. And I would imagine we're going to see him on the Olympic team. He's going to put on a show there. Like his stocks only go going up and up and uh I think it'd be crazy if if uh Buffalo traded him, but you know, if he wanted out, then it they'd get a huge form.

1:15:03 Well, how many times have we seen this story? You know, got rid of Reinhardt, they got rid of O'Reilly. The list goes on and on and on of guys who went won want a Stanley Cup. But I mean, not only him, G, what about um uh Dene? Like, look at how long Dene's been there trying to get the write this ship and and contribute to that. So, I

1:15:23 I kind of like, you know, I like that dome move. Like, I like what he's brought, but right now they sit at the bottom of the East. They got a some very winnable games here coming up, but if it's another year where they're in the top five worst teams, I don't know, man. How much how much longer do you stick it out if you're those high-end guys? I mean, Dalene ahead of anyone has a right to ask for out at this point cuz he just had nothing to play with. And going back, who would have who would have fought for

1:15:53 Paige Thompson? Like, who's their who's their guy? I feel like their back end is so soft,

1:15:58 like the softest of most back ends for how big they are. I agree. But it's also like I don't know if I'm on that team, it's it's anyone, right? Like Jordan Greenway, I'm sure, would have done it. Like he's been in and out of the lineup.

1:16:10 Best teams could be anyone. The best teams, it would be anyone jumping in. But but Whit Whit, you missed it. I I was pissed off. I thought that he had to do it himself, but I heard that he went into the locker room and said, "I I'm taking care of my own business and he called the dogs off, but there were guys willing to fight for him, but he wanted to do it himself." So, extra.

1:16:28 Yeah. And then last year, nobody did anything. And then Dene said like asked about like, "Well, that'll never happen again." I don't know. I for one am shocked that the Sabres are in last place again.

1:16:39 Yes, it's insane. Um, that's a depressing conversation. I think we need to lighten up the mood.

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1:18:44 Where is James Dy? What's going on, boys? Man, this is weird because the times I've got to work with you, you were in charge. You were running the ship. You've done it forever. And now you're just sitting back and you're one of the guys on the panel. You're not the host anymore.

1:19:01 I know. And I'm usually on the left of the panel. It's freaking me out on the right. I can't turn. I'm like, Custans, I can't turn that way.

1:19:07 If I brought a quiz to you, you might have a meltdown, but I didn't. I didn't. I just want to hear from you and all the great stories you have. How you been?

1:19:14 I've been good, boys. Uh been awesome. Uh went back in my hometown this weekend seeing some old friends. I got to tell you a quick story right off the top. you got a new nickname for your podcast because uh I spent the day with my mom, wonderful lady, 92 years old, still doing awesome, but she's moving soon. And so I was taking her to an appointment and she's she's super hard of hearing to the point where you have to basically like get right in her face and talk really loud and and she lipres essentially, okay? But she always wants to know exactly what's going on uh in my life. So I I said, "I have to get I have to get home soon, Mom, because I have to do a podcast." And I don't even know if she knows what podcasts are. And she said, "Oh, what what show are you on?"

1:19:58 And I said, "Spitting [clears throat] Chicklets." And she said, and she said, "Spearmint Chicklets." And I said, "Well, that's a real thing. That's a good guess, right?"

1:20:08 Always. Yeah. So that was early. So, we went to the appointment and then I dropped her off and I said I had to go and and she said, "What show are you on again?" And I said, "Spitting chicklets." And she said, "Okay." And as I was leaving, she said, "Good luck on the splitting chipmunks.

1:20:27 Have fun with the splitting chipmunks." Hey, I'll be a [ __ ] chipmunk. Make two shirts.

1:20:34 I'm going to get a I'm going to get a hoodie or hat with splitting chipmunks on it. Uh, where's your hometown?

1:20:40 Ottawa. Okay. So, are you a Sense fan? N the the haven't you guys the business sucks the fan out of you. I get accused of being sense fan.

1:20:51 I like I I cheer for the Niners in the NFL. You know, I probably cheer for team Canada a little bit. Sorry, boys.

1:20:59 Uh, honest I you root what's good for the network. Like I want all the Canadian teams to get in and go deep. I'm a little concerned about this year.

1:21:07 Oh yeah. But yeah, I don't My kids are Leaf fans because they've grown up in Toronto. That's a little weird for me. But hey,

1:21:15 but you got you must get tortured because everyone they like we're very open about our teams, but you guys kind of supposed to be neutral. People must say that you love this team, you love this team, you hate my team. It's constant.

1:21:26 Well, you know the deal with broadcasting. I'm sure you guys get it, too. Biz gets it on TNT. So, you could make the same comment about the Leafs. make some 30-cond comment about them and half the people in the comments will be, "Doth, you are such a freaking homer." And the other half will be, "WHY DO YOU HATE the Leafs so much?" That's that's so people hear whatever they want to hear. Right.

1:21:46 You You can't please them. That's why you write books and and tell stories now.

1:21:50 That's right. That's right. That's right. Or do us a a candle light vigil for the Maple Leafs on TNT like Biz did. So, that was

1:21:58 Exactly. Thanks for the plug there, Yans. You know, I I was uh I haven't been on with you guys in a long time since the first book I wrote Beauties and uh this is the sequel which you guys are all in. But I gave you guys a hard time I think if I can remember correctly. It's probably five or six years ago. I think I was on during co uh that you know when I started the first book which is just great stories. I just asked guys to tell me one great story and like Gretz got back to me in like two hours and Bobby or got back to me in a day and it took it took Biz and and Whit like four months or whatever. No, it's

1:22:30 I don't have many good ones. No, no, it's okay. But you guys got surpassed this time when I started the book. You two guys were the first two guys I texted because I said, "Nobody has more characters on." I said, "Guys, is there somebody who wasn't in my first book or maybe that you guys have had on that would tell me a great story that I haven't had yet?" And simultaneous you you said Yans. Now, this was before Yans was on the pod full-time, right? So, right away, I I get Yan's number. I reach out to Yens and right away he replies. He's like, "Oh, super honored to be in the book. Love to tell you a story. It'll be awesome." And I'm like, "Okay, let's set up a date." So, we set up a like it was summer, I think, so it's like August 5th or something. So, the night before I'm like, "Hey, Yans, are we still good for tomorrow?"

1:23:14 Crickets. So, the morning comes I'm like, "Hey, Yans, uh, today anytime today work for you?" Crickets. So now you're like, you know, the experience, uh, I felt like I was young again, like in college, and you, you know, you text her, although we didn't probably have phones back then, but, you know, you meet a girl, she gives you a number, but she didn't really want to. And then you text her once and you text her twice, and now you're feeling like an idiot. So now, like, I wait a week and I'm like, "Hey, uh, Keith, if if you still want to be part of the thing, I don't know if you've changed your mind. No problem if you have, but you know, still crickets."

1:23:47 And then finally, I do like the desperation texts. I think I called David Amber or somebody working. I'm like, do you know if like Yans doesn't like me for some reason? Did I say something too long?

1:23:55 Is he alive? Yeah. And then out of the blue one day, oh, I'm sorry. I I busted my phone in Nantucket and I didn't get a new phone for like four weeks.

1:24:05 There's no there's no Apple stores there. And you know what? He was very apologetic and he gave me an awesome chapter in the book. So, uh uh but I felt like a jilted lover for a few weeks. Yan,

1:24:16 what what was Yan's story in the book? Well, Yan's there. So, like I said, I asked for one story, but some guys give me a bunch. And Yan's and sometimes it's so hard to take them out when they're all good. So, Yan's chapter is called Seven Short Stories by Keith Yandel. And then, and I think it's and two more by Kevin Hayes because when I was done the chapter, I talked to Hazy and Hazy added two more. So, Yan's chapter is all sorts. One is called Living with Biz. I I don't want to repeat it because I think he told it on the pod about when you came in hot

1:24:51 into Arizona and you were making fun of kicked owner off the table. So he tells tells that story. Uh I don't Yans would there be any stories in the book that you haven't told on here?

1:25:02 No, probably not. Just probably the amount of times I've been on, you know, recycling them all.

1:25:07 Yeah, you guys are both the greatest thing. I said this last time, like when sometimes when people ask me to describe the book, I say it's spitting chicklets in a book because that's the whole point of it. Uh, so you know, I owe so much to you guys. At the same time, you're a curse because sometimes I will get a chapter done like I did a a chapter with Bruce Budro and you know, I was done the chapter and like two months later he comes on your pod and I'm I'm listening going, "Oh, don't tell the Ovuchkin out after curfew story. Don't tell it. Don't tell it." Sure enough, he tells it and then Louisie comes on Lu Wongo and I'm like, "Oh, I had a great chapter with Darcy Horich and I'm like, don't tell the story about Horich leaving the alligator on your front porch. Don't tell that." Sure tells the story.

1:25:48 Those are so iconic iconic like on a podcast and live in a book because there people who don't listen to our pod. So, what like what originally sparked the idea? Like just cuz like obviously working with TSN, you have probably guys when they're done their seasons come join the panel and you've just probably heard so many of these. You're like hockey fans deserve to hear these stories behind the from behind the scenes.

1:26:10 That that's 100% it. I mean, I've been hosting that panel now since O2, so almost, you know, almost 25 years. And I've had so many guys like yourselves come in. And when you're a host, you know, you you you know a biz like you do the pregame or whatever and then you're sitting around watching the game eating pizza. And during that time I would get all sorts of stories from guys and at some point I said I really need to put this in a book at some point. And uh it's funny the first book I was terrified that I was not you you sign the book deal and then all of a sudden you're terrified you're not going to have enough stories because writing a book it's like 350 pages. You know Nate Bargatesy always says that's a lot of words. And uh so I was worried I wouldn't have enough. So I kind of leaned on all the guys like Bobby Mack told me a story and Drager and all the guys at work uh because I was just

1:26:59 terrified I wouldn't be able to get a hold of enough guys. But then the first book came out. I wasn't going to write another one, but I have a lot of guys reaching out to me saying, "Oh man, you should have had this. You should have had this guy or I got to tell you a story. You should have had this guy." And so that at a certain point after a couple years, I said, "I got to do another one." You could sit down with Terry Ryan and Terry Ryan senior and write a third one. Terry, you know, Terry, so Terry's chap has a chapter in this book and I know Mo like a lot of the stories you guys have told on the pod before and uh you know your pod was what made me reach out to Terry but with Terry I wanted to sort of tell the whole story of Terry's life because I I feel like it felt like a movie for a guy to be like Newfoundland's great hope uh to flame out to have all the crazy stories that he had during his career and then

1:27:47 to come back and you know almost end up homeless. briefly for a while in Toronto and then Biz, you go out and visit him. He comes on the pod. He sort of gets a name. Uh ends up doing some uh some movies and and ends up in Shoresy and then does that last fight which is part of the book sort of the last last scene of the book. I wrote it like a screenplay that chapter because I really feel like you could make a movie on Terry Ryan's life. The chapter is called Terry Ryan the movie. And uh yeah, it's you know guys like that. The funnest part is just sitting Terry I met at an airport. We sat down and I was asking him about one of the stories. I think the one where he bashed his teeth out with a sledgehammer and he started doing the backtory and he was I looked down on my watch. He's three hours in. He hasn't even gotten to the story yet.

1:28:32 He's like, "You want a shroom, James?" Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He could definitely He's like a a Goosebumps choose your own ending, right? Like you got to go what way you're going. It's spiderwebs here. You got to bring it back. Spider's there. But he's he's a treat. The one that recently went viral, I believe it was on the bar down podcast of you telling the story of Brady Kachchuck messing around with Claude. I was in tears listening to that one.

1:28:58 Do you want me I mean, do you want me to tell it or do you feel like it's old already or

1:29:02 No, no, I would love to hear it again. You know, and these are with some of the moments. A lot of the time sometimes I know the stories when I call, but a lot of the times I have no idea. I just arranged to get time with Brady Kachchuck and I have no idea what they're going to tell me and it's a a bit like a a bit of a highwire act because if you don't get a good story I'm like now what am I going to do? I got to put Brady in the book. But when Brady told me the story I hung up the phone and I was like man this is exactly why I wrote this book. So I'll do a condensed version for those who have heard it. So bra basically Brady walks into a practice one day before a game and all of his sticks are taped together like 20 rolls of tape. typical hockey prank. And right away he goes, "Jaru, it's got to be freaking Jiru." The only other guys in the room are Timmy Stutsa and Alex Drea. So he goes and he takes a

1:29:51 saw from the trainers room and uh people were giving me a hard time in other podcasts because I didn't explain this right. It made me look like an idiot, but he just makes a little tiny cut. I guess there's a certain part of the of the shaft. If you make a little tiny cut that's not noticeable to the eye, it will ruin the integrity of the stick and it'll snap. And so he does it to three or four sticks. And he figures he'll go out for practice. Drew's a hotad. He'll snap three sticks. He'll have a fit. Everybody will laugh. Hilarious. Well, then Brady's the captain of the team. He gets busy. Drew must have grabbed another stick. Nothing happens during practice. So the next day they're playing the Blues and sure enough they get a power play like six minutes in.

1:30:33 And this is on YouTube. You can look up the game. Uh Jaru busts a stick, runs back, grabs another one, just knocks a a little muffin out of the air, snaps another one, and is losing it. There ends up being a TV timeout. I think the power plays over. And by the way, Brady's sitting on the bench and has no clue, right?

1:30:51 That's the best part. Just just so Brady and And what Jaru is fuming and I guess in Jeru's mind now, Clo's telling me the story. He's like, "Somebody messed with my sticks." And Braden Shen's on the Blues. They're good buddies. He's like, "It must be Shenner." So he starts fuing Shenner from the bench going, "Shenner, you mess with my sticks." Right? And when he said that, Brady's like,

1:31:12 "Oh [ __ ] Oh my god. Oh [ __ ] He's using these sticks in a in an NHL game." And he's freaking out. Drew sits next to him. He looks down the bench and uh Dria and Stutler are giggling their asses off. And he looks over at them and says, "You take this to your graves, right? You cannot say a word." But he can't, you know, Brady's such a good guy, he can't he can't not say it. So G's sitting next to him on the bench and he taps him and he's like, "Gee, uh, it was me." And Drew's like, "What? I I I cut your sticks." And Jaru, you know, who's the ultimate pro, he's like like he couldn't even conceive of this.

1:31:52 DUDE, WE'RE TRYING to win in the NHL. And uh so I'll tell you the ending because I've told the story so much. I didn't tell it on the other podcast, but the so they end up like Brady played super guilty. Got like four points. I think they won seven or eight to one. Drew got a bunch of points. So we finally forgave him a couple of days later. But it wasn't until a few weeks later that uh Brady said, "By the way, that was you, right? That that taped up my uh that taped up my sticks." He's like, "No, it wasn't me." And Timmy Stutes over in the corner goes, "It was me."

1:32:26 Oh my god. And so he was there and knew the whole time and didn't say a word. So

1:32:31 he skated free the whole way. Yeah. So anyway, that was uh why that's one of those stories.

1:32:38 I get why Jiru would be like that cuz that was around the time where they were missing playoffs. There was a lot of pressure. So like every every game mattered so much. So he probably couldn't fathom like what the [ __ ] my own teammate would do that. But of course, you know, Brady would have never done this, like if he had any concept that it would ever happen in a game.

1:32:56 But that's what's so funny about Brady is that he wouldn't after he didn't use him in practice be like, "Oh, hey dude, like grab those sticks." Like, it didn't work. But I he just completely forgot.

1:33:06 Yeah. Well, there was still like two more cuz I I think I left out the part where as soon as he breaks the second one, like Brady runs to the trainer and is like, "You have to like get rid of the next two sticks on the rack."

1:33:15 Yeah. Go make them a couple more. This cannot happen again. And and then you mentioned on the other pod too, like thank god they won so we got this story.

1:33:24 Yeah, because we no no way Brady's telling that story to anybody if if they lose. For sure.

1:33:29 That is I I got the book and the first one's incredible. I haven't started reading the second one yet, but I looked through and I played with Brendan Morrison. He's hilarious. So I saw that there's a part about an arbitration hearing for him.

1:33:42 Yeah. So you got to give us that one. Well, you know, you're talking about how you get stories for the book and you know, part of it, uh, like the first book you guys gave me about five people. Kelly Chase gave me about five people. He was invaluable. Thinking about Kelly. Um, but I call the second book a little bit Six Degrees of Kevin Baxa because Kev was one of the first guys I talked to. And when we were done, Kev told me a great story about getting when he was a rookie, he got uh Marcus Naslin had a team party at the house with the wives and everything and they were serving Jaylord wine and and BXA like didn't realize but just must have had like two bottles and he says he can hold his liquor. I don't I don't believe he can because he was puking all night and then they had escaped the next day and he couldn't stand. And so the guys were trying to, you know, help him out, bury him in the lines. Uh but I guess uh

1:34:28 whoever was the first power play, maybe Sammy Salow or something got hurt. And so that was his break where Alan Vin's like, "You're you're running the first power play unit and he could barely stand. He was Bambi." And so that that's BX's story and how the biggest break of the career came when he could barely stand up on the ice. But at the end of the interview, Kev's like, "You you got to talk to Brendan Morrison because Brendan has a crazy salary arb story." And in my head, I'm going, "Who wants a salary arb story in a book? Salary arb is the boringest thing ever." But I called Brandon and so Brandon was with the Conucks back when it was the Dave Nonus Brian Burke regime and uh he'd had a good year. He was playing with Nasland and Bertusi. So had a really good year and he's up for ARB and they were only I think there were three or 400 maybe he wanted 2.4 and the Conucks were offering 1.7 or something over a two-year deal.

1:35:15 And Berky hates ARB. I think that this is Berky says this is the only time he ever went to ARB because it's a waste of my time and you know Berky with his tie around his neck. I don't want to waste time in the summer in arbitration cases. So Berky sends a text to Morrison's agents like if we go to ARB and uh he gets one more penny than we're offering, I'm letting him walk because I don't want him. Right. So it's a big game already and it's a lot of tension. They get into this little ARB room which have any you guys did every any of you guys go to ARB ever?

1:35:42 Thank god Morrison's talking about he's never been through it. tiny little room in Toronto with a little table. On one side is uh Berky, you know, and Nonus and their lawyer who's this French Canadian guy, and then on that side is Morrison, you know, his agent and the NHLPA lawyer. So, they do their arguments back and forth and then they have closing statements just like a case. So, the guy the the Kucks lawyer, I I I don't want to offend anybody with a French Canadian accent, but I kind of have to do it this way. So, he does the he does the wrap-up, like the closing argument, you know, like like Tom Cruz and a few good men, and he's like, "I want to tell you a story about the elephant and the mouse." And Morrison's like going, "What the hell?" Like, "Where am I right now?" And he goes, "There's an elephant and the mouse going through the the uh the uh forest together and they come across a raging

1:36:37 river and the mouse is like, "I cannot get over the river." And the elephant says, "I will help you. get on my back. And so he goes on for like three minutes telling this little kid's fable and the elephant gets across the river with the mouse. And Morrison's like, where is this going? Then the guy stands up like for a fact and says, in this story, Todd Bertusi and Marcus Naslin were the elephants AND BRENDAN MORRISON WAS THE MOUSE. And personally he's like

1:37:10 he felt the size of a mouse as he fell that final time. So So the you know as if he did nothing all year and and he was completely carried and uh I guess you know he walked out of the room like in complete shock and Berky tapped him on the shoulder and said hey it was nothing personal anybody that's just business. And I think he won the case or they settled in the middle and the Conucks did accept it despite the fact of what Berky said and there was no hard feelings. Berky was laughing when he was telling me the story, too. But, uh, I just it's so funny. And his a Brendan Morrison still in his office has this great caricature that his agent gave him of an elephant and a mouse crossing the river and the mouse is wearing his number on the back.

1:37:50 That's so good. That is so good. That kind of reminds me of of Terry Ryan in Milbury when he was grill gr the draft. Like sometimes when those guys get in a room, they just fire Arsenal at you.

1:38:02 That's right. That is so That is crazy. Yeah. What was your one of my favorite in just from playing in Phoenix and hearing all the stories?

1:38:11 Todd Simpson. Like, have you guys had him on yet? No, I don't. Oh, not since I've been on.

1:38:16 Have you had him? No, I don't think so. You You got to get Todd Simpson on. So, he's like he's a known prankster. Like unbelievable. But if you could tell the one that

1:38:26 Yeah. Well, his chapter's called The Prankster because there's quite a few pranks in this book, but I think Todd Simpson's one of the more legendary ones ever. I know you know one biz because I think Nasher told you once about like the day he got waved

1:38:40 Todd Simpson. Uh he yeah he took all the car keys at house and took them off the things and put them in a pile on the day he got like five minutes after he got waved and was leaving the team and said

1:38:51 have a good ride home boys and it took them these guys like I think I think it was like a lot of their house keys

1:38:56 Oh yeah. It took them weeks to separate so guys had to keep bringing them back to the rink and saying no tried this one. Yeah. like it was just chaos. Was he involved in the you know that uh that powder that they would put

1:39:09 Okay, so this is the story. Okay, it was it was Ray Whitney and there's if we have time there's a great Ray Whitney story that ends the book, but I think Ray Whitney told Simpson about this when he was in Florida that you know I heard you guys talking about heat last week. Thanks for finally watching it, Bis. But you know in all the bank robber movies, the dye explodes like on the money. That's the way the cops catch the bank robbers. Well, apparently at like some of these police supply stores, you can buy this stuff. So Ray Whitney tells Todd Simpson that you can do this. And obviously Simmer, one of the great pranksters, he goes right away to the store and buys it. And so his plan is to like put it on some guy's gear and you know, so he and Donor Donor, you know, everybody loves donor there. And so he wants to test it with donor. So he puts a little bit in donor's jock. Like he gets to the practice early and puts it

1:40:00 in donor's jock. and he's waiting the whole skate to see if donor reacts or starts getting itchy or anything like that because this thing this dye just turns completely purple when it's interacts with heat or sweat. So he's watching donor and he said afterwards everybody left and donor was staying in the shower and he was kind of you know creeping in the shower looking at donor to see what donor was doing but donor didn't go give off anything so he's like I didn't use I must have not used enough because he was being cautious. So the next practice he comes in early, he puts it in every player's gloves except donor, I think, and the two goalies, right? And he puts now a liberal amount of the stuff. So they go out for the skate and, you know, nothing's happened at first, but five minutes in, guys start like taking off their gloves and there's like purple everywhere and you know, you you you react. you put it, you

1:40:50 know, when you move your helmet, now it's on your head and now it's on your shirt. And uh Clo Lemieux comes out and he was angry. He he figured something had happened. And he starts yelling and there's purple all over him and suddenly it's just it's like Barney the dinosaur exploded on the ice, right? And there's just purple everywhere. They're trying to run a practice and it's all over their gear and everything.

1:41:12 And uh you know, Simmer did it to himself, of course, being a smart prankster, too. So he's the same way. He's like, "What the hell's going on here? donor, why are why are you so clean? Right.

1:41:21 Oh, no. And uh so it was a complete mess. He did feel bad because I think he had to cut like a 10 grand check to the cleaners because the entire dressing room was an absolute disaster.

1:41:32 Uh but he he never told anybody about it. And I think you know you you a couple you guys have heard about it, but for years after like when he was playing on other teams, guys would come up to him faceoffs and say, "Simmer, were you were you the guy that put the purple [ __ ] in?" And uh but he's he's you got to have him on because he's just an absolute legendary dude.

1:41:54 Yeah, it ruined Yeah, I want to say they all got new gear cuz it was like for like a third jersey type thing. So it was all this brand new stuff. So he'd ruin, like you said, like 10, it was probably more than 10 grand. He ruined

1:42:07 and that's when guys didn't wear a ton of new gear. And I heard Stan Wilson, who's the trainer there, was absolutely so pissed off at.

1:42:15 Oh, but hilarious him not putting it in donors and he's like, "Oh, Donor did it." And then Donor like took down his pants and he's like, "No, he got me, too."

1:42:22 Oh, by the way, yeah, donor. Uh, so afterwards I guess Simmer said Simmer did tell donor and it's like when you put it in your first like did did it affect him? He's like oh it was all over my junk. But he goes I didn't want to give whoever it was the satisfaction so I stayed in there for a half an hour just scrubbing my junk with soap getting the thing off because I didn't want anybody to know that it affected me.

1:42:46 His hawk still purple. I heard another I heard another one that he did was uh he he'd go to like the local barber shop and get all the hair from there and lube up guys the their front windshield with Vaseline and put the hair on it and then like you'd put your windshield wiper on it would just make it a thousand. So there'd be guys driving down the highway with their head out the window. They couldn't see. Brutal.

1:43:12 Yeah. Yeah. Just some the old school ones were vicious. I I think it might have been Brad May who did somebody was it was did he play in Vancouver? Brad May

1:43:23 at some point. Yeah. Where they he took down the the sunroof and then he got all the industrial bags of popcorn and he put it in somebody's brand new uh BMW.

1:43:34 All the butter was all in the on the brand new leather. It was just If you were a young guy and bought a new car, forget about it. It was done. It was done.

1:43:41 Brad May uh Brad May's got a good story in the book. So the year that he got traded to the Ducks that the Ducks won the Stanley Cup, he was in Colorado. He got traded and I think his 30 seconds into his first shift he got hurt. And so I like you imagine you're trying to make an impression on a new team. And the next day gets called into Randy Carile's office and Carile's like, you know, I didn't even want you. Berky wanted you, but I didn't even want you. And now here you are hurt, you know, first game. Like what a dud of a trade for us. And so May's all rattled. Like May is a guy everybody loves everywhere he goes. And now he's in the doghouse already. And I think they had a golf tournament a couple days later and he's playing playing with like four of the guys or eight of the guys and they're they're way they're trying to wager but nobody's betting 20 bucks. Of course, NHL guys in your money. So I don't know who it was,

1:44:28 George Peros or one of the guys on the team says we're going to play touching Randy and M.

1:44:33 Oh, I I remember hearing about this because I was there. Yeah. What the hell is touching Randy or whatever and uh and like Oh yeah. So R I guess Randy, you know this better than me with Randy didn't really like getting touched or having people in his personal space.

1:44:49 I don't think he liked anything. It was a thing for Randy to get touched. So everybody who lost like the forcing that lost that golf round all had to like touch Randy in an aggressive way like in the next 24 hours. And so May, you know, he's already in the doghouse and he's the last guy. They make him be the last guy to get on the team flight and everybody's sitting down watching. Is he going to touch him? and he kind of walks by Ry's spot like gives him a big arm on the shoulder. Hey coach, right? And Ry's like what the hell?

1:45:15 [clears throat] So, so in in Brad's saying like touching Randy was like this big bonding thing for him to get into the ducks. I just love the name of it. Touching Randy is like my favorite chapter title.

1:45:27 That is Yeah, that's a that is a silly name. What's the one about uh Well, it's got Connor and Leon with the beer league story.

1:45:34 Oh, yeah. How did that come to be? Yeah, you might have seen video like there was a bit there was a bit of video last summer uh this past summer of them playing but uh the story is actually from the previous summer. Uh so con there's I live in Aurora which is about 40 minutes north of Toronto and the the town just north of us is New Market and there's a great great beer league in the summer. It's got a bunch of tiers, but the top tier, there's a few NHL guys, a lot of prospects, a lot of guys play college hockey in in Canada. And the only reason I know this this story is because my daughter's boyfriend who lives with us in the summer plays on in this beer league. He's a good player. He plays for Nison University. Uh his name is Luke Strickland. And uh so my daughter's at the game and and and she was the one who texted me and told me. But anyway, so they're playing in the quarterfinals of

1:46:22 beer league. And like a normal beer league team, they're out having a beer, uh, you know, in somebody's trunk of his of his F-150 having a beer before they go in to play the game. And they're playing McDavid's old buddies have a team in the league. And once every couple years, McDavid shows up and plays, right? And it's kind of legendary. Everybody in New Market runs to the rink to watch him, but he been married three days earlier, so nobody expected he would show up. So these guys are sitting having their beer going, I wonder if McDavid's going to show up.

1:46:50 Hopefully not, you know. And then the SUV pulls into the parking lot at the last minute. McDavid gets out and they're like, "Oh man." And then the passenger door opens and Dry Settle gets out and they're like, "Oh my god. Oh my god."

1:47:03 It's a police escort. Yeah. And I think that was the first time Dry Cidle had ever showed up with McDavid. So now they're all gone for a loop. But the cooler part of the story, their goalie, typical beer league, didn't show up. Couldn't make the game. Had an emergency. So they have a second goalie, kid by the name of Ben Sheret, who I think is at Harvard this year. And Ben was at another rink doing a skate, like a power skate. So he just got off the ice, two hours, he's exhausted, and he picks up his phone and has this like slur of textes saying, "Ben, we need you, man. The other goalie didn't show up. Also, we're playing McDavid and Dry Cidle." And so Ben's like, "Oh my god."

1:47:40 You know, he's like this 18, 19 year old kid. He's like, "I got to go, right? I got one in your life might you play McDavid and dry sidle. So he burns over to the rink and he says this is so surreal. They had to delay the game 15 minutes and he so so Ben could get ready. He's putting on his gear. He skates out and there's McDavid and Dry Saddle leaning against the boards waiting for Ben to start the game. He says the first shift like dry settle wires one off the bar. The hardest shot he's ever. It hits the roof of the rink and then McDavid comes down two seconds later goes dipsy doodle scores and Ben's like, "Oh, we're going to lose like 30 30 to nothing." But the story is is basically the experience of these guys playing Dry Saddle McDavid has a bit of a twist ending that I won't give away here. Uh, I gotta give some people a reason.

1:48:21 Yeah. Yeah. But game goes to overtime and it's uh, you know, for a kid like Luke, you know, was a really good player, you know, might play pro somewhere someday, but not the NHL. Like he says like this, this might be the greatest night of my life, right? I got a picture of him. There's a picture of him in the book taking a face off against Dryidle with McDavid on the wing. And not only that, they're wearing all their Oilers gear except for the jersey. So, it's intimidating as all hell for these kids. This has been awesome. We we can't thank you enough for your time. Do I was going to ask you is is there one like uh when you sat down that was so like sentimental and maybe like was like almost like a sad story that you had to put

1:49:01 Yeah. I mean you can't the book despite what we've said here today the book's not all pranks. You can't have a book like that. And there some of them are about amazing games. Uh and you have to have some stories I think that tug at the heart. When I read a book, I'm I'm hoping people laugh and then maybe cry on the next page. Uh I think that the the chapter that means the most is a chapter on the Gross. And I owe Yans a bunch for this because when we finally hooked up and he got a new phone, I think the day that I was supposed to interview Yans was the day after the accident. And uh you know, he texted me that morning and like I can't do this.

1:49:33 And I obviously I totally understood. Um and then when we did talk maybe a month later, I I was thinking about and it was it was just so damn sad. And I said to Yan, I said, ' Do you think we I could do a chapter uh that was like a beauties type chapter where I got people to tell, you know, funny stories about Johnny and Maddie, right? And stories about who these guys were that uh, you know, because I was just, it was so hard just watching the ceremony after ceremony and Meredith and Meline and Ghee and Jane out on the ice all the time and it was just so heartbreaking. And so, you know, and Yans told me a great story and I ended up, you know, Matthew Kachchuck. I ended up with 21 people either family members or or teammates, Raasmus Anderson and uh uh Boon Jenner and and so on and so forth. Uh and they all told me these hilarious stories about these two guys and I I I kind of wanted it for

1:50:28 something when their kids grow up they could read and say, "Oh, this is what kind of what my dad was like." He was a pretty hilarious hilarious dude. is I think Johnny was a you know you guys would know more than me but a a really really funny self-deprecating uh modest guy and Mattie who nobody knows much about was also a terrific guy. So that chapter is you know I think the heart and soul of the book

1:50:50 and then also there's one on on Mlin Celabbrini and and his father who you know it it people have heard about his dad and like what he does and you know the connection with the Warriors and Steve Nash and like what what went into that one. Did you get to talk to his father? Because also his little brother I think is like crushing records in in British Columbia is going to Shadic next year. So it's like we're going to see another one of these celebrities come.

1:51:14 The the whole family all the kids are super super athletic. Both of the parents were were crazy athletic. But yeah, I mean I'd heard I think we did a feature when Mlin was on the World Junior team. World Juniors is one of my gigs. Uh, and you know, talking about Rick, who for people who don't know is like the head, I don't know what you call it, sports guy for the

1:51:35 and it's also mental stuff, too. I think it's not just like physical, but he, you know, he was one of these guys and he he hooked up with Steve Nash, the basketball legend, uh, when Nasher was hurt. and they sort of worked together for a couple years and developed, you know, Rick had these ideas, Nash had these ideas and they developed sort of almost a revolutionary way to train and and so Mlin in many ways and the other kids were kind of like uh uh who Rick was using this on as he learned it. So at five, six years old, you know, ways to lunge, ways to have your have your skates pointed a certain way. And I think to this day, Mlin trains different than almost anybody else in the NHL. I know he trained with Quinn Hughes last summer and at the end Quinn was like I I need you to teach me this. I I I want to learn this. Uh but it's great. Draymond Green is in the piece as well talking about, you know, Mlin would come to the

1:52:28 Golden State Warriors facility and usually every kid that comes by they grab a basketball and try to shoot and Mlin just had his like mini stick at seven years old and was off in the corner doing the hockey stuff. that. So, it's uh that's not a yeah, that's a a more serious chapter, but a fun chapter just about how this kid, you know, kind of the perfect storm of having this dad that met Steve Nash right when he was born and and Macklin with all this god-given ability and how it meshed together to form who I think is going to be one of the greatest players in the NHL for the next 15 years.

1:52:58 I ended up training with uh I think it's his uncle uh at Fertillas and like you said, like the type how they wanted you moving your body and doing different things. Yeah,

1:53:07 I went to him after I had bilateral sports hernia surgery and they were telling me like, "You're sustaining these injuries because you're not moving properly." And obviously I could It never really registered. I could never figure it out and get out of my old patterns. You guys laugh, but

1:53:22 you can't. No, no, but I I It's very hard. It's so different that you're like, I can't I don't got

1:53:28 mentally. You've been doing the same movement for 15 years. It's hard to get out of your out of your hamster wheel, right? But there's a reason why I pull my L5S1 every [ __ ] month, right?

1:53:37 You know, also Mac's also got the uh, you know, the X factor, I think, of being super confident and competitive. I think the story, the chapter opens with a story of Mac when he's four years old or five years old, hitting whiffle balls. Maybe the same uncle's throwing whiffle balls at him in his backyard in Burnab, BBC, and Mac is just crushing whiffle ball after whiffle ball into the neighbor's yard. And he says to his uncle, he says, "Uncle, someday people are going to pay to watch me do this." And Rick wrote it down in his phone because what 5-year-old says this stuff?

1:54:09 Oh, yeah. That's crazy. But, uh, he was right. Just wrong sport. My 5-year-old's eating his boogers. And we got mine guarded for autographs.

1:54:19 Yeah. Hey, James, I got to ask because Bob McKenzie, the Bob Father, he's he's completely retired now. you spent so much time with them. And I got to go in one time to TSN when I was still in the Oilers and I remember it was uh Vancouver Dallas first round and I said, "Oh, I hope this goes to OT." And Bob goes, "You shut your mouth right now." And I learned quickly as a broadcaster. It's like we don't want to be here. And the game went to triple overtime. It went to OT. He blamed me. But I didn't know if you had any stories about him.

1:54:47 Like what an awesome guy and a legend in the game of hockey. It's weird not having him around now breaking news and being in in the picture as he always was.

1:54:55 You know, we're we're less than a month away from World Juniors and it's going to be my first World Juniors without Bob who uh I've always said like any credibility that people gave me on the panel is only because Bob was probably at the other end of it and I just completely rode his coattails the entire time. So, it's going to be really strange not having him. The guy like you guys have no idea what a legend he is. He like even when he wasn't trying when he was semi-retired there he would break the biggest deals because he's he's the only guy I think where like the GMs call him say hey Bobby we made a big deal.

1:55:27 Uh, you know, I'll tell you the story for the other thing about Bobby. He's like ultra competitive. Uh, right. He's a And I think the story I wrote in the first Beauty's book is Bobby got to go they were filming like a way back in the day they were filming some sort of uh some sort of TV show TSN with like Paul Roman and Bob McKenzie. It was like a skills show or something. So, they were both on the ice like hosting the show and I think it was somebody, you know, maybe two university teams or juniors competing against each other in a showdown type of thing and uh they they wanted Bob to demonstrate uh the showdown, the shootout and they had Vladislav Treak there, you know, one of the greatest goalies of all time, you know, past his prime now, but he was, you know, paid an appearance to be there and uh this was just, you know, Bobby was just supposed to go down and take a soft muffin at Treach. back and you know

1:56:21 everybody would clap, right? But Bobby would not have that because he's like this is my one and only chance to score on Vlatislav Tre Shack. Bobby was a pretty good hockey player back in the day. I got some great old photos of him with a you know the full mullet and stuff and big tough Bobby Mack. But so Bobb's like I'm I'm going to score on this guy. I don't So what caught him off guard he's deciding what move he's going to make. He's coming in. Treach comes out at him tries to poke check him. So Bobb's like crap. So Bobby does this deak. Treach slides the pokecheck and trips him. And Bobby goes flying, but last second, you know, backhands it into the net. So scores, but rams into the boards and separates his shoulder. And now he's like, "Oh my god, you idiot."

1:57:05 Like he's got to do this TV show. So he can't let anybody know that he's he's separated his shoulder and he's just looked like an idiot trying to score in this little exhibition against Vladislav Treak. But that was Bobby, man. He's uh he's just uh one of my favorite people in the history of the world. And uh

1:57:22 he's in a sling for the whole shoot. Yeah. No, he just had to, you know, he's Bobby's tough too. I think he just had to go through the whole thing like dangling his injured shoulder, not letting anybody on that he did it. But as far as he scored, you know, he's one for one against Stretchack in his life. So that's

1:57:36 Is he going to keep doing the Because he was still doing some draft stuff, too, wasn't he?

1:57:41 No, I think you know his his son is a super talented hockey guy. He's the GM of the Kitchener of Rangers, Mike. And uh I think Bob's a bit of a shadow GM who, you know, goes to the games and lurks in the shadows with the coffee. But uh he's a grandfather who loves hanging out with the grandkids. And uh I I don't think you'll see much of him because I think he's going to th those insiders, you know, whether it's Drags or LeBron, Chris Johnson, Elliot, all do such a great job.

1:58:06 That's a man, they are attached to their phones always brutal. And I So I think when you're done with it,

1:58:12 you you want to be done forever. Yeah. And back in the day too, like you had to do phone calls. Like Elliot, we tal we asked about his screen time. Like obviously they're all texting nowadays. I can't even imagine back in the day where you had to constantly just be on the phone all day long talking. So, right.

1:58:29 Yeah, it's it's long hard hours. Was there anyone that we any story that we didn't ask you about that you really wanted to share? Because we've obviously taken a lot of your time.

1:58:38 Well, I I don't want to give away too much of the book. I did mention I did tease the Ryan Whitney thing. So, my book was basically done. Um, and you know what? I was going to bookend with Kachchucks. Matthew told me some great stories about not the Panthers team that won the cup, but the one the year before, uh, and how he felt that team was like the biggest group of beauties ever, and he felt it really laid the foundation and some prank stories in there. So, I was going to bookend the book with Brady Kachchuck's story at the beginning, Matthew at the end. But, right as I was finished the book, I was doing the masters. Sorry, I know we always rub that in. the best part of your job.

1:59:13 And I get to work with Graeme Dlette at the Masters, great Canadian golfer, awesome Sasky boy. And Dlet's like, I was telling Dlette about the book and he's like, you got to talk to Ray Whitney. And I'm like, yeah, the book's kind of done. It's like, no, you got to talk to Ray Whitney. So, I'll tell this one. Uh, so Ray, uh, Ray Ray, and I know you had Lad on on earlier. He was probably on this team. So, they win the cup in ' 06. I think it's the next year 07. Uh they're playing a game. What does NHL restart? Boxing day or the 27th usually, right? So they're playing a game boxing day.

1:59:49 I think it's Boxing Day that year. So Ray's grandma has this unbelievable uh recipe for cabbage rolls. Like it's like the tastiest thing in the world. So that's the tradition at the Whitney house is to eat these cabbage rolls. So Ray says Christmas day he eats a dozen of these cabbage rolls. And anybody who knows what cabbage does to a body, that's a dangerous thing to do. Boxing day, goes to the morning skate, they're playing at home, comes home, breaks with what his normal meal is, and eats like eight more cabbage rolls because he can't stop himself.

2:00:21 So, he's getting to the rink getting dressed. His stomach's starting to growl. He's on the he's in the opening lineup, and you know, they got a little kid out next to them for the anthems, like a lot of teams do for the anthem. And he said he can feel this thing building in his stomach and like moving down towards and he's like, "Oh my god, like I gotta fart. I I gota and I feel bad for this kid because I know it's going to be a big one, but I can't stop it anymore." So it's like and the home and he he lets it go and he had no control and it is a fullon dump. The entire the entire load explosion non-stoping. Worst ever. disgusting.

2:01:01 Into his compression shorts, down his compression, straight liquid, the worst ever.

2:01:07 It's a cabbage dump. And I'm sorry. Sorry to listeners if anybody's eating early dinner, but uh so these cabbage rolls have just exploded all over his pants. And he says usually he does, you know, quick lap, does the water thing. Yeah.

2:01:19 He said he just glides to send glides to his spot because you can't go off in the opening lineup.

2:01:25 Yeah. It's a penalty. So he just spreads his legs and glides to the to the to the dot. So Brenda wins the face off as always, dumps it in. He goes in, he just says he's skating. I can't do this on just skating completely widelegged, trying to stop this stuff from oozing down to his socks. And he says he does like one little whack at the puck, right back to the bench, right down the tunnel. Says signals to the trainers, they all think he's pulled his groin because he has groin issues. goes right into like the handicap washroom and is like, "I need all new gear. I need a plastic bag. I need everything and I need a shower turned on. Whatever full right now." And they're like, "You okay?" He's like, "Yeah, I'm okay. I just dumped my entire contents of my body into the thing." And so, uh, the the chapter has a little more detail than that, but I think he missed eight minutes of that. And he comes back

2:02:18 behind the bench back behind the bench and Lavy's like Lavy says to him, like just joking, would you [ __ ] your pants? And what says he just looks up at Lavy and goes, "You have no freaking idea." So So I don't know if that was the warmest way to end the book, but I just thought it was uh

2:02:37 Oh, it was warm already. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Hot steam and dump. Yeah. Um we're going to pull up the book one more time just for our viewers to be able to see what to look for. There it is right there. And the first one is it's awesome. These are this was a great idea man.

2:02:51 Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Uh like I said, I owe you guys a lot. You told me some awesome stories. And like I said, when I was writing the first book was just when you guys were starting to blow up. And it was sort of validation for me. Like you guys kind of made hockey stories cool again. And I think you made players comfortable telling them because a lot of these stories, you know, I'm not sure guys would feel comfortable, but I think you made people comfortable telling great hockey stories. And there's about 80 of them in this book which are just uh stuff like we told today. So it's good bathroom reading.

2:03:20 You can read one, toss it aside, pick it up in two weeks later. Oh, it's an honor to get you on, buddy. And I I think it's just going to spark more and you'll end up having three, four or five books down the road. I don't know if that's something you you you want to sign up for, but uh

2:03:33 yeah. No, I mean, if people like them, I'll there's an I think there's an unlimited supply of them, right? Uh, so yeah, I I guess I'm going to have to have themes somewhere along the way of uh I don't know, maybe I'll do one on just Hall of Famers or something. Uh, but it's uh yeah, it's it's fun. It's a treat for me because I get to hear these guys tell the stories and like I said, when you're on the other end of the line or you're sitting in a bar listening to a guy tell a story and you know, you can imagine in your head what it's going to read like in the book is pretty cool.

2:04:01 It's awesome. James, thank you so much, man. We appreciate it. Love Thanks for having me, boys. I really, really appreciate it. and keep doing what you do. I love listening.

2:04:10 All right, we'll see you. Love you, D. See you, bud. Thank you so much, James. Awesome guy. Awesome guy. Before we continue, guys, let's just quickly talk about Noble. Biz is a Noble athlete. This episode is brought to you by Noble. Noble is a footwear brand. Yep. For training and for daily life built to support you in your pursuit of physical, mental, and emotional strength. Noble celebrates a no [ __ ] approach to wellness. You get the name. No [ __ ] No bull. They've got options across lifestyle and training, and they are the best shoe for anyone who wants to be a better version of themselves. Plus, Noble is the official training shoe of the NHL.

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2:06:49 a true noth. Are the pants are the pants as comfy as the shoes? Oh yeah. Oh, the tuxedos are unbelievable. You I think that uh I think that uh what's his name there? Demagod. I think he's going to hang up the New Balance ones and go noble instead. Yeah. Oh yeah. To make it happen. These are unreal fart catchers.

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2:07:50 Yeah. Hey, imagine imagine having one cabbage roll, never mind 12. Like that. There's nothing that sounds worse.

2:07:57 So, you had 20 in about 20 hours. Are they good, Biz? Is it a Canadian thing? Uh, well, it depends who's making them, but yeah, they're pretty good.

2:08:05 They're good. You ate I mean, you ate the ocean cabbage, so I'm pretty sure you'd eat Ray Whitney's grandma's cabbage.

2:08:10 That's true. That's Is that a Is it a Is it a Polish dish? Cabbage rolls. Sounds.

2:08:16 I don't know. It It's It's an Ukrainian dish. It's not something I'm dying to try.

2:08:22 What are the orig What are the or origins of of the cabbage roll? Like who the who who did those first?

2:08:28 Uh people who do colonoscopy exams created them and then they're just like you don't need to do this drink anymore. Just have a bunch of cabbage rolls.

2:08:36 You're peeing out of your bum. Yeah, peeing out of your bum hole in the middle of the game.

2:08:40 Hey, for oraf frames, you know who has a guy who could use an oraf frame for the pictures he looked at and got all emotional? Brendan Dylan. I don't know if you saw this. This guy's about to play his thousandth game. I mean, kind of a crazy. Yeah. Couple clicks. Couple clicks. Keith, you're one of those guys with a thousand. You guys are special. You guys are very special to get a thousand. Me and Biz didn't even do it combined. But

2:09:01 thousand kills. I don't I don't have that either. So, I don't know where I'm sitting in this game. But, um, can we roll the video quick? He was shown a picture of himself as a very little kid being held up by his dad and he's coming up on a thousand games. All he wanted to do was play one game in the NHL and

2:09:20 say to this little guy about where you are today. Yeah. Sorry. Didn't mean to do it.

2:09:26 Yeah. [snorts] Just wanted to get one. Yeah. Oh, it's all right. Yeah. Yeah. Just

2:09:32 want [snorts] to play one game. That's it. Yeah. Just Sorry. Yeah. No, she's crying.

2:09:40 I'm just happy. Excited. She's crying. So thankful to Yeah. playing the best league in the world. And [snorts] from every coach I've had to player to teammate, it's it's [snorts] been awesome.

2:09:53 What a guy, dude. What a How many How many guys How many How many undrafted guys have played a thousand?

2:10:01 I' You have the You have the number? I'd say four. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

2:10:07 I'd say like 25. Biz four. He He will be the fourth. He will be the fourth. The other three

2:10:16 straight up I pulled that out of my ass like a cabbage roll. I didn't know that that was the number,

2:10:20 dude. Unreal cabbage pole. I guess let's now let's guess on the number or let's guess the guys with um Brendon. I thought there was 25 of them guys. You played with one of them.

2:10:35 Biz or me? I think both of you or maybe you guys were at training camp with him. Special cat in Pittsburgh. A lot of funny stories about him. Loves his beers.

2:10:46 Scaderi. No, Scuds was drafted to Hal Gil. No, he was drafted. They both beers.

2:10:53 Yep. Who? I loan. Wow. Wow. He was not drafted. First one BC Boston College legend I believe could score.

2:11:07 BC legend undrafted thousand games. Like he's from Hell's Kitchen. Joey Mullen.

2:11:14 Joey Mullen. Yeah. Wow. We had him. And then the third one, Biz, you should know. Or the second one, whoever did it. Legend of the game.

2:11:23 Wayne Gretzky. Cicerelli. Wayne Gretzky. A I think Ciserelli. Yeah, I guess Wayne.

2:11:33 I can't believe there's only four. I just You hear about so many undrafted guys who end up making it. I just figured there'd be a lot more. Stay Hartwood. Wow, that's incredible. Brendan Dylan though, like undrafted in 08, undrafted again in 09. They got this uh the tweet was sent over by G, but like I mean plays in the world championship, gets to a cup final, and I got to mention that jersey, that Devil's hat he had on is pretty sick. That's a sick. Hate Pasha, but pretty sick game. 200 points, made a bunch of money. Look at that. So 4* 3.9, that's just under 16. 3 * 4, 12. So, he's made, you know, 30 million bucks.

2:12:10 Oh, no. Then there's a five times 3.7. He's made he's made 40 45 million. What a story.

2:12:16 You know what? The biggest disgrace of this list, though, he's not listed as being in Bisd BC, which he was.

2:12:22 Maybe he asked to have that not included in the list. No, he didn't. He was a star. I was shocked that he didn't go into acting after that as opposed to making another 40 sheets playing hockey. He is a nail gun too though in terms of like being undrafted making it's one thing then playing a thousand is one thing but playing as physical as he has which all those guys right like Lioline was a beast he got a thousand Dino Cicerelli was a maniac he had 600 goals Brendan Dylan

2:12:52 have you ever have we ever gotten Dino Cicerelli on the pod I feel like we did episode 404

2:12:59 yeah I knew we had Dino on I didn't remember if we Todd Simpson on or not? Joe Mullen was kind of when Americans weren't getting drafted, right? Was he during that era?

2:13:10 I think it was. I mean, that there was there was legit American bias for a long time. There's even still some coaches to this day who don't like Americans. I'm convinced of it. You probably could prove me wrong pretty easily, but um Grenelli saying, "Didn't Mark Girardano play a thousand games but was undrafted?" Is this list fugazi? Is there actually 25 guys?

2:13:30 It could be. I don't I just Googled it. I'm not great with the internet. Wait, Yan's [ __ ] up.

2:13:37 Well, let's see. Mark Gordono undrafted 11. Kevin, I think there's probably 25 guys.

2:13:45 It might be 50. Was St. Louis drafted? I don't think he was. Uh, yeah. Did you just [ __ ] up that?

2:13:53 WELL, I I ST. LOUIS another one. I I bet you I was closer. 20. Okay. For how many guys?

2:14:01 I don't know. It says it says four here on what site? Like a Russian site? You know when you Google you Google it and the AI thing pops up? I don't know. I'm not good at the internet.

2:14:12 AI is a a farce. Unless it's in a sandbagger, then it's the best. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Hey, hand up. I fudged up. My bad. Shout out Joey Mullen, Dino Ciselli.

2:14:25 Now we Steve Duchain. Like I think we got I think we got I think Joe Mullen was drafted first overall.

2:14:31 If you guessed four on the fake list and was right and it turns out to be 25, that's going to be an alltime moment for three counts

2:14:39 counts. Um hey guys players players [ __ ] up. So we have to talk maybe a little bit more hockey. I want to get your guys' opinion on this Lane Keifin and and NCAA football [ __ ] But before we do that, uh, uh, what more hockey chatter do we have?

2:14:58 Well, on the list here, we had that the injuries are just kind of a disaster. I mentioned Dal

2:15:03 Logan Culie. Thank God. I don't think it's as bad as it looked. No, quad contusion.

2:15:08 Yeah, that look the only line that's been scoring for them. Him and Gunther have been unbelievable lately. But they've dried up. I think they've lost like they've they've lost like basically I think it's like eight of the last 10 or something like that. Their goalending's been shaky, hot and cold. And then obviously one thing that we haven't talked about is uh the Clayton Keller his father passing. That is just guys he they were so close. Um like what a guy such a supportive father that played and the fact that Kels goes on to play those two games after dealing with that after Thanksgiving like that just speaks it goes back to the the hockey guys and and how strong they are mentally and physically. And um he played in that game in Dallas. Don't know how he did it. And then it just so happens that the backto back the second game was in St.

2:16:02 Louis, where he's from, where his grandfather and his father used to take him to games. They had season tickets behind the uh the net. He used to sit on his father's lap at the games. And

2:16:12 yeah, when he said that, dude, that was hard. That was hard. His his entire media session there was was really really difficult to watch. You just feel so gutted for him. So young

2:16:24 talking to somebody too that played with him growing up. like he said his grandfather and his dad were at every single tournament and you know we all know how it is sometimes your dad has to work and can't make a tournament. you go with another family. But they said he was at every single tournament just rooting for him, just happy for his kid, just watching him out on the ice and like the courage that it took uh Clayton to play in those games, man. And I I couldn't imagine and you know obviously our thoughts and prayers are with the with the with the Keller family and um you know it just shows that I would imagine his dad would have said to him I want you to play in this game in my honor in these games in my honor. I know you're going to have a heavy heart but absolute gutty gutty effort by him just for even lacing up his skates and playing just a a true a true uh true teammate and and legend. Yeah. And then

2:17:15 the the Blues did a great job of there was a big moment of silence before the game and yeah, it's just it was so sudden too. That's just like all of a sudden boom and you just feel so sorry for him. Um just a brutal story that came out over the weekend. I'm glad you brought that up as that was uh that was that was just horrible to see. Horrible. Um kind of tough to go anywhere from there. We're thinking of the the entire Keller family. Um, did you guys see uh Grenelli had it down here? I didn't even know this. Where is it on the outline?

2:17:49 McDavid and Matthews are now using Bower Sticks. Yeah, they swapped. Is that like Don't they both get paid bank from CCM?

2:17:57 Not enough to not switch if they ain't working. I know. I guess they're like, "Yeah, I don't care. What?" Yeah.

2:18:03 Take my money away. I mean, for for McDavid, he's still wearing all the gear. So, that's like the one thing you notice the most that pops the most. So maybe they just take back a little bit of dough. But I don't know. I uh maybe sometimes sometimes companies and and like uh certain sticks they go through bad batches, right? I mean, you guys would know more. I used the [ __ ] shovel, so I'll throw it over to you.

2:18:26 Well, one time I got in the middle of my best season, Warriors like, "Hey, we'll give you 10 grand or whatever to use our sticks." I was like, "Okay." and then got a legit tap in like the goalie was 15 feet away. I'm telling you it was any person watching this show or listening would have scored and I missed the net and it was with the Warrior and I was like oh my god I just fired the thing like we got in the locker room I think I snapped it actually and then right back that was one I was like what was I thinking like why am I ever considering switching anything right now? Those guys are on a different level. Malcolin at times I think has had two different companies gloves on

2:19:08 like I don't know some guys yeah I know so McDavid used the stick one just for one game and I believe it was only two and a half periods he did score with the stick though Matthews on the other hand last year he started wearing the Bower skates now he is full Bower gear so I feel like that's something more to keep an eye on

2:19:28 yeah because I remember he had the CCM old school Madano skates on that had come back, but that was just quick.

2:19:36 But when he first came into the league, he was like the face of Bower, Austin Matthews. Like he was all Bower for the first three, four years he was in the league, then notoriously switched over to CCM.

2:19:46 Well, I mean the the other night he kind of had one one of his patented like pull and release one goals against Pittsburgh

2:19:53 one and one. So if if they have any chance of getting on a run here, they got to get him going.

2:19:59 Yeah, he's got to get a synergy in his hand. I can't believe there aren't synergies anymore. It's probably the thing that makes me feel

2:20:07 the oldest and like so out of this this game is that like there's kids now like awesome 12-year-old players that don't even know what a synergy was. That that makes me sick. Uh the Sharks also went no buckets for warm-ups, which I believe you get fined for that.

2:20:22 Did you um did you hear what McKinnon switching to for Twigs? The Northland Gretzky

2:20:29 if he comes back with like a cabin. Gretzky guaranteed. No. Or it'll be the It'll be the East and Silver Gretzky.

2:20:39 Oh, McKennon Whitney stick. The pink Whitney stick. If we could get one guy to have one shift, that's like my Brendan Dylan. I wanted to play one game. I just want a pink Whitney stick in one shift of an NHL game. That thing

2:20:54 Who would you want? Who Who would you want to use it? Who? The pink Whitney stick.

2:20:59 Yeah. If I could pick one guy. Demode Demadov. Give him a tracksuit, too. Demade. Yeah. Pink Whitney tracks suit and then he tapes up the stick and then he snipes.

2:21:11 Um, that's a great question. Is he going through the bottom six? He's going through the bottom six on the maple right now.

2:21:19 No, I was going to Joshua Wah Roy. I was going to say if Vorich was still playing, I would have picked Vorich.

2:21:26 He would have had like a shot. He would have had like one of the the nips in the stick.

2:21:31 Well, what well what he would have done was filled the stick up with pink Whitney on the inside and there would be an like this thing and when he scored he would just take it off like that and go that's that's the celebration. Um we should we should see if anyone's down to use a pink Whitney stick. You have to pay. You have to pay the league to have your

2:21:55 I think we got a better chance than me and four four undrafted guys who I think I've done Gary enough favors you'll he'll let the pink Whitney twig slide.

2:22:04 Yeah, I'm sure. Send him Send him a meme or Yeah, send him one of your uh favorite What are those called? What do you send people You and Gary send each emojis. Send Make an emoji. Make it a Pink Whitney emoji. Just send it to Gary. Should I should I send him a picture right now of this stick and say, "Hey, would you care if one guy at a time use this?"

2:22:23 I'm gonna text. No. No. Save the text when Oh, yeah. We might need a big favor at some point. We might need a big favor at some point. That That could just knock knock us down a couple pegs. It we'd be going right back to the time when Posasha was in center field on the green next to the green monster at Fenway roaming around during the Outdoor Classic with security pointing rifles at him. Like

2:22:44 that's when we got we got a big PP whack as a podcast. We got all our credentials taken away cuz cuz Posasha snuck down there to get a one-on-one with Pasta as he's about to hit the ice and then memes [ __ ] posted it. Um, so, so what you're saying is Gary is essentially our hockey genie. Remember we did the hockey genie segment. So you're saying save the wishes.

2:23:09 Yeah. Yeah. Gary's our guy. Gary's our guy. What would be what would be like like one thing that you would ask Gary to do if you could ask him to do it about the league right now?

2:23:22 If you score in the power play, it shouldn't end. That used to be a rule. Really?

2:23:27 Really? Yes, that used to be a rule in the NHL. Want a bet in like I believe 60s50s.

2:23:34 The Montreal Canadians ruined that rule for everyone. They get like four They'd get like three, four goals every time. So they they changed it where Yeah, that's a little fun fact for everyone. We can actually clip this so people don't realize, you know, who taught me that too was Wayne. Obviously Wayne Gretzky knew that. But when you used to get a two-minute minor, you have to used to have to serve the whole two minutes. And imagine how many more points he would have had. He must have mad when they took that rule out.

2:24:01 I don't think that it even existed while Wayne was in the league. Right. Right. I know. But he was probably 13 like, "Oh my god, I could have had a thousand more points."

2:24:10 Yeah. Um also kind of [ __ ] with the records record books a little bit too. Um for guys who who are up there who used to play in that era. Um what other what rule would you I mean that's a a rule. What other thing would you like to change with? It could be more of like broader. It could be off the ice.

2:24:32 Well, I I I I would say that next time we go to the Olympics, which I believe is four years from this February, let's make sure that the rink's been built because apparently like this rink is might be getting finished like before puck drop of the first game and it's also 4 feet shorter than it's supposed to be. So for for Yeah, it's it it's it's it's legit a comedy show right now. I think there's like 5,000 Italians that are over there just working overnight every every

2:25:02 No, they ain't they're [ __ ] taking 4hour espresso breaks. They don't give a [ __ ] They're like, "You guys play."

2:25:10 I feel like every I feel like every Olympics has this though. whether they're like, "Oh, the uh you know, the the dorms aren't ready." Or

2:25:17 every time they've had an Olympics, I believe that they've had a tester game at least one year out before the Olympic Games.

2:25:25 What? Yeah, they had they we were a tester for the 2002 Salt Lake City Games, which was the second one with the best done best after 98 in Japan. We played uh an under 18, five nations tournament there.

2:25:40 Really? And it was actually play we played against uh Kovville and I was like what the [ __ ] Who what who is this? What is this thing? And that that was basically their warm-up for the next winter. And now this rink is like right now they're putting like the boards in, you know, and then they got to they got to find the they got to find the Nets. Now Grenelli says the test run is scheduled for January 9th, which is less than a month before the games. I don't know, Bis. I Are you peeing right now, Bis?

2:26:10 I had the hose. I got the wide nozzle body armor, though. That's the reason that

2:26:14 Oh, like you need the wide nozzle one. Buddy, we could give you a can. Squirt one.

2:26:20 A can. It's a squirt bottle. Yeah, I just said that. Oh, you did? Yeah. Hey, how about this? I forgot to mention with Baddard, he had four points. players aged 20 or younger in NHL history with four four points or more in a game. But Dard now has five. How many think Gretzky had?

2:26:43 100. He had 40. Yeah. I mean 100 would have been basically every other game or more. No, like twothirds of the game, but still that that didn't go over as I planned. Um all right, you guys got anything else? I want to talk about this Lane Keifin nonsense for me. I want to get your opinion on it.

2:27:04 Do you know like do you do you know like college football you've been hearing how ridiculous like the buyouts for these coaches are?

2:27:11 What do you mean the buyouts? Like when these guys the guaranteed money that they get?

2:27:17 Yes. Yes. So right now LSU they're paying Ed Oeron he won the national title there with um Burrow. They're paying him $17 million. Brian Kelly, the coach they fired this year, gets 54 million. And then Lane Kein just signed for $91 million. For anyone who doesn't know, anyone who doesn't know college football, I don't really know what this

2:27:44 91 for how many years? Seven. Oh, seven. How much was Old Miss willing to pay him?

2:27:51 Same. I think it was the same. Now LSU's giving him 25 million a year on their roster. I don't maybe I'm wrong. I don't think Miss was going to be able to do that, but this guy everywhere he goes leaves [snorts] with a complete inferno raging behind him where he just was. Hey, but honestly, the way that like the players transfer now and everybody leaves, I don't [ __ ] mind it. It's like,

2:28:22 no, I I get it. And LSU I I think I don't I'm not I mean I know I like Georgia. I'm not by no means an expert. I'm not even an expert on hockey, let alone college football.

2:28:33 LSU is like a bigger program. Yeah. Like I I I you know, I get that it was how he did it. Biz, have you heard like what ended up happening? So he knew he was going to go, but they had a game against Mississippi State. It's called the Egg Bowl, right?

2:28:47 And and Miss has one loss. They're going to the playoffs for the first time in the in their school's history.

2:28:53 Three times they had over 10 wins in in in the in the last three years and then their first 11 win season this year ever in the history.

2:29:02 He's turned it around. Yeah. 100%. 100%. So he uh he tells them like, "I want to keep coaching the team." Like I'm gone, but I want to keep coaching the team.

2:29:13 For anyone out there like, "Yeah, let him coach the team." That is one of the craziest things I think I've ever heard. Like, buddy, get the [ __ ] out of here. He then went on and said, "Okay, well, if you don't let me coach the team, I'm taking all the coaches with me. I'm going to get a bunch of the players to come with me." Which he still ended up doing. I think he took like most of the offensive coaches. And he told the coaches, "Biz, if you're not on the plane with me, you ain't got a job at LSU." So, it's like, "Leave now." which completely hoses the team like the the team's getting ready. They I mean I think they got the SEC title game

2:29:51 has way out though, but I believe that coaches who have said that they're going to go to a different program have finished coaching the team till the end. Correct. I feel like in this instance though, they're probably like, "Man, we've just paid you all this money. We've had all this success together. you've dragged this out to to now knowing that you were going to end up leaving and and having all this money to spend on a roster and blah blah blah and probably taking some of our guys. So, they're saying [ __ ] [ __ ] you on the way out. That is

2:30:25 well, it's a rival. It's the same thing. I know there is a coach that's going to be coaching. He took the Florida job. I don't know the guy's name. And he's going to continue coaching at two lane, I believe. But this one, I think the threatening to the to the administration and the AED probably didn't go off. Pat Summerall G says the guy's name is. But and then so since then there's a rumor that so his his dog Juicekin has a Twitter feed. People are saying it's not even his dog that the it's a he didn't bring the dog with him. He left the dog. Old Miss took all his clothes out of his office. They put him out on the street. There was a group of people, it had to be 200 people, [ __ ] him as he's walking from his Escalade to his private jet to go to LSU. Then they don't know what coaches are following him, but the coaches had to show up at the airport with him if they wanted a job. So fans are finding out who's

2:31:22 leaving live as they're getting out of the car. They're like, ONE OF THEM'S LIKE, "OH, THAT'S CHARLIE. [ __ ] YOU, CHARLIE. [ __ ] you."

2:31:30 They're like this getting on the plane. [ __ ] you. Um, I'll just say this, like college football's turn into a joke, like really all college sports, but

2:31:41 you just got to go back to the coaches. It's that it all starts with them. And I think his boy uh who's the one that won all the the championships with Alabama?

2:31:52 Sabin. Sabin. Sabin was kind of defending him on national TV where it's like you want to talk about the integrity and these players and what they get to learn and a free education and and these transfer portals and paying them and NIL money has ruined the game. Shut the [ __ ] up, dude. Nick Sabin's got over 100 million made in his [ __ ] career getting to [ __ ] use all this booster money to [ __ ] recruit all the top end talent so he can have all these championships and money. Give me a [ __ ] break. Am I taking anything away from his football knowledge or or what he's accomplished as a coach? Absolutely not. But you're a [ __ ] hypocrite if you think that that NIL money and transfer porters ruin college football. Your [ __ ] greedy asses coaching wise did. That's you set the precedent. Like the best

2:32:42 coaches have been leaving forever. Yeah. What? coaches have been just taking over.

2:32:46 They've been leaving forever and knowing and and and but the one thing I just don't understand and they keep saying, "Oh, it has to do with the recruiting process." The recruiting process where it's like, man, the college football playoffs is over by the middle of January, right? Maybe maybe the end of January now because it's 12 teams. Why do these guys in in players have to make a decision by then? Why don't they just finish out their [ __ ] seasons and then they announce everything?

2:33:16 I think their timing is completely [ __ ] up. Actually, I saw Patino had a tweet basically like why don't they change cuz I think signing day is in a week so you got to get there for signing day now. [clears throat]

2:33:28 It's [ __ ] stupid cuz they have I get that they have the spring games and everything like that and they got to get some of them they get in there and they get training early but buddy just announce everything fe February 1st. Everything's a clean slate starting. So now, but they you know what though? They love all this drama.

2:33:47 I was following yesterday. I was like this is it was it was a great day on Twitter. It was just And then the old miss fans who loved this guy. Now he is enemy number one. There's like burner accounts putting up text messages and Snapchats and DMs from him to girls. There's all this madness going on. Rumors are flying around about the guy. And then meanwhile, no he's not. Then meanwhile he gets to LSU, but then he's a god there. He's a god. So that fan base loves him, but they'll end up despising him cuz he'll probably [ __ ] ruin that place at some point. And then also, what? What? Keith,

2:34:22 did you just almost take a sip of your pee? No, no, I got a new I got a different bottle.

2:34:28 Oh, nice. You went like that and put it away. Oh, god. His pee could be that clear with how much how high Oh. Oh,

2:34:35 I had I had a few coffees this morning. Whit, I I know I said it to you yesterday in text, but like why isn't John Gruden just walking himself down to Old Miss and be like, I'll take the jaw. I'll I got it from here, boys.

2:34:47 I was wondering why nobody wants I don't I feel like Gruden's going to get something big here soon.

2:34:55 I'm not. Yeah, right there. Rick Patino saying like basically basketball like it doesn't have to be this way. When coaches leave, you get to finish the season at least. Now

2:35:05 3.4 Kein, the ways Kein has been fired though, Biz, it's incredible. Like at Alabama, he was the offensive coordinator. Sabin fired him a week before the national championship game, saying he was under, he wasn't prepared for the semiinal. Then he went to FAU. He was the Raiders coach. Al Davis, the legendary owner, fired him. Said, "I did not hire the man I thought I hired." Basically calling him guys a snake and a liar. He called him a professional liar. He got dragged off the team bus and then fired on the tarmac from USC. He's just and and here's the thing, LSU, you got to know what you're hiring. At some point, this guy's going to leave you for something better and something bigger.

2:35:46 Although, maybe at this point, he will have burned every boss. Yeah. The the weird thing when that guy who gave the example of like you can't turn a hoe into a housewife. I thought it was an incredible example. The fact that the fact that he got that mad and like went up to the guy and did that, I was like, "This guy's whack." I didn't know any of this other stuff that you just said, like I knew he was with Sabin at one point. Uh, now LSU's had some tough hires. They hired that Brian Kelly thinking he was some offensive genius. That obviously never worked out. You said they're paying him $50 million.

2:36:22 54. 54. Did they just fire him? Yeah, they fired him this year. and Lane Keifin, the $91 million deal. His buyout's 80% of whatever's left.

2:36:34 College football, I It's straight up free agency every single year with no contracts. It's It's actually like It's actually a dream scenario for the athletes.

2:36:45 You could just coaching football. Oh, I know. Yo, [clears throat] I I agree. I yeah it is a dream scenario for the athletes but I think that in the last five years like it's college football it's a joke it's a joke product though great product to watch

2:37:02 yep um all right guys that about wraps up I do want to promote our appearance Thursday night if you live in Canada on Amazon Prime coast to coast I think we'll be with you from about 7 to midnight going around the league going around the games us three together in one room I can't wait Okay, he's stroking off the pink Whitney stick. I don't know if any NHL will use that now. Um, so check us out Thursday night prime coast to coast. Uh, Cyber Monday sale 20% off until the end of the day today. So, it's 4:30 Eastern. You got time. Um, DraftKings available in Missouri and we are dropping our show on Thursday this week. So, we're going to record Wednesday night because we're going to be in New Jersey and we're going to be working all night Thursday.

2:37:47 Luke Robbitai an all time interview. We promise you. We promise you you're gonna laugh your balls or your vagina straight off your body. I promise you on that. I promise.

2:37:58 Yeah. Laugh. Yeah. Say bye to your [ __ ] ladies. You're going to laugh it right off your body.

2:38:03 All right, with that shout out everyone. Have a great couple days. Love you guys.

2:38:07 Love you. Shout out Lane Kein. Won't happen. Won't happen again. Won't happen. Won't happen.

Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "Mike Matheson + James Duthie Join The Show - Episode 601"?

Ryan Whitney (Host), Paul Bissonnette (Host), James Duthie (Guest), Biz Nasty (Guest).

What is "Mike Matheson + James Duthie Join The Show - Episode 601" about?

The discussion revolves around the hosts' recent experiences, including their warm welcome to Basel Sports, their excitement about hockey and football events, and reflections on Thanksgiving festivities. They also touch on sponsorships, specifically highlighting Discover as the official credit card of the NHL, while sharing lighthearted banter about players and game highlights.

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16 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Ryan Whitney, Spit and Chicklets, Discover it card, NHL, Blind Hockey, Boston. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Mike Matheson + James Duthie Join The Show - Episode 601"?

The episode runs 2 h 39 min; the transcript is about 33,384 words in 512 timestamped sections.

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