We Are Moving To Netflix ft. Zeev Buium + Guy Gadowsky - Ep 606

What this episode is about

The discussion centers around a recent transition to Netflix, featuring hosts Zeev Buium and Guy Gadowsky, as they share updates on their personal experiences in hockey, including new collaborations and sponsorships. Highlights include Biz's participation, promotions for the Discover credit card tailored for hockey fans, and a hint at an intriguing upcoming event related to the NHL Winter Classic in 2026.

Key takeaways

• Welcome to the jungle of hockey podcasts, where Ryan Whitney rolls out the pink Whitney like confetti!
• Discover credit cards: turning postgame wings into postgame rewards, because who says celebrations can’t be profitable?
• 2026 Winter Classic in Miami? That's not a game, it's a vacation! Ice meets paradise!
• Nashville: where older guys trade clubs for bar stools and future country stars, proving wisdom thrives with good tunes.
• Netflix might be our next play, because why binge-watch drama when you can have witty hockey banter instead?

Who speaks in this episode?

• Ryan Whitney (Host) · 1 h 6 min speaking
• Paul Bissonnette (Host) · 58 min speaking
• Guy Gadowsky (Guest) · 25 min speaking
• Zeev Buium (Guest) · 17 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 15:00: Nashville, Ryan Whitney, Spit and Chicklets, NHL
2. 15:00 – 30:00: Leon Draisaitl, Edmonton, Jeff Pasha, Jason Greger
3. 30:00 – 45:00: Connor McDavid, Edmonton, Leon Draisaitl, Sidney Crosby
4. 45:00 – 1:00:00: Connor McDavid, Sidney Crosby, Edmonton, Florida Panthers
5. 1:00:00 – 1:15:00: Vancouver, Edmonton
6. 1:15:00 – 1:30:00: Vancouver, Chicago, Penn State, Frozen Four
7. 1:30:00 – 1:45:00: Penn State, Gavin McKenna, Frozen Four, Spit and Chicklets
8. 1:45:00 – 2:00:00: Edmonton, Chicago, Spangler Cup
9. 2:00:00 – 2:15:00: Penn State, Gavin McKenna, Spangler Cup
10. 2:15:00 – 2:30:00: Chicago
11. 2:30:00 – 2:45:00: Chicago, Discover

Notable quotes from "We Are Moving To Netflix ft. Zeev Buium + Guy Gadowsky - Ep 606"

• What is up, folks? Welcome to episode 606 of the Spit and Chicklets podcast.

  about Spit and Chicklets · at 0:32

• Discover NHL Winter Classic is taking place on January 2nd, 2026 in Miami, Florida. Tune in on TNT. Get cash back on every purchase with the Discover it card. Learn more at discover.com/creditard.

  about Discover · at 1:28

• Vancouver, British Columbia. a bunch of the boys are having a boys lunch on Friday to celebrate the holidays. I wanted to come up here, get a little bit of work done and…

  about Jeff Pasha · at 2:42

• Like you know I remember when Erica Nardini, who's no longer with Bar Stool and Gaz and some people behind the scenes recommended that we start putting our podcast on.

  about Erica Nardini · at 9:08

• You're right, Biz. Hockey talk. And that's why I want to just give an incredible congratulations to not only Leon Didle, but the entire city of Edmonton and every person that's…

  about Leon Draisaitl · at 29:07

• Sticking by this. Like when I read this about him and all the stuff about Sid and McDavid playing against 11 year olds when he's six or seven, like the greatest of the great…

  about Connor McDavid · at 32:14

• Him back healthy. But Sid is just it's we've said it over and over again. It's like it's just 20 [ __ ] years of over a point per game. How do you even explain it?

  about Sidney Crosby · at 46:28

• Training, and they are the best shoe for anyone wants to be a better version of themselves. Plus, Noble is now the official training shoe of the National Hockey League.…

  about NHL · at 1:30:57

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Ryan Whitney — Person · Co-host · 2 mentions · first at 0:13
  Central voice throughout: discusses the Netflix move, fan reaction, and NHL storylines (Oilers milestones, Crosby, etc.).
  What is up, folks? Welcome to episode 606 of the Spit and Chicklets podcast.
• Connor McDavid — Person · Referenced NHL star (performance/milestone segment) · 13 mentions · first at 32:18
  Discussed alongside Draisaitl and Crosby as a generational player; referenced for point runs and in-game dominance.
• Leon Draisaitl — Person · Referenced NHL star (topic of segment) · 4 mentions · first at 29:12
  Highlighted for reaching 1,000 points with Edmonton; used to discuss generational talent and Oilers franchise history.
• Sidney Crosby — Person · Referenced NHL star (comparison/legacy segment) · 3 mentions · first at 32:07
  Used as a benchmark for generational greatness, longevity, and milestones (points pace, Mario comparisons).
• Jeff Pasha — Person · Behind-the-scenes staff (production team reference) · 2 mentions · first at 2:50
  Mentioned as part of the crew; Biz says he’s in Vancouver to see him and later credits him as a film-school-trained contributor to the Netflix milestone.
• Erica Nardini — Person · Referenced executive (strategic influence) · 1 mention · first at 9:08
  Credited as an early driver behind pushing the show toward video, which is framed as a key step toward the Netflix deal.
• Jason Greger — Person · Referenced journalist/broadcaster · 2 mentions · first at 29:49
  Cited as an Edmonton-based media figure who wrote an article on Draisaitl and is plugged into Oilers coverage; used as sourcing/credibility in the segment.
  Couldn't even dream up in your mind. AI couldn't create some of these players and Leon Dryidle is one of them. And I want to shout out Jason Greger, a good buddy of mine who's in Edmonton. He's he has a podcast on Daily Face Off.
• Guy Gdowski — Person · Referenced coach/mentor (hockey development context) · 2 mentions · first at 30:52
  Mentioned as part of hockey-development/coaching references in the episode context (name appears in entity list though not clearly surfaced in the provided excerpt).
  He's been on game notes, but it was our turn to get Penn State head coach Guy Gowski. What's going on, Guy? How you doing?
• Gavin McKenna — Person · Referenced prospect (hockey future context) · 6 mentions · first at 1:30:02
  Named as a hockey figure/prospect in the episode’s broader hockey discussion context (not clearly present in the provided excerpt).
  That's doing well in the state of Pennsylvania is the head coach of the Penn State hockey team, Gavin McKenna's team, Guy Gdowski. Guys, real quick before we send it over to…
• Chris B. — Person · Referenced friend/associate (offhand mention) · 1 mention · first at 0:17
  Briefly mentioned as someone who contributed an 'assist' in a joking/banter segment early in the episode.
  Yandle the song man is a full-time member. Marley just got an assist from Chris B. Whoa.

Companies & orgs

• NHL — Company · Sports league · 2 mentions · first at 1:04
  Central to the podcast's content, discussing teams, players, and events within the NHL.
• Florida Panthers — Company · Sports team · 3 mentions · first at 30:01
  Discussed as a competitive team in the NHL, with mentions of their players and potential.
  He's got a radio show. He's dialed in, knows the game. his nephew's Noah Greor who's on the Florida Panthers this year.
• Penn State — Company · Referenced institution · 12 mentions · first at 6:52
  Mentioned in the context of education and sports, possibly related to hockey or alumni.
  Been so supportive and our like the student body is so supportive and so awesome. So it's been a blast and last year when we finally made the Frozen 4, there's so many people…
• Plymouth State — Company · Referenced institution · 1 mention · first at 6:51
  Mentioned humorously in the context of education and a joke about spelling.
  I think at 6 p.m. I tweeted, I can't stop thinking that Mike Brunell thought handme-down was hand-me-down. And he said Plymouth State Education. So, a little shot at his school. gee, that was more text about this than anything we've.
• Boston College — Company · Referenced institution · 1 mention · first at 28:19
  Mentioned in relation to hockey recruitment and coaching.
  Absolutely incredible. just so impressive the program he's built. He infamously was at Boston College recruited Kevin Hayes, recruited Jimmy Hayes. So just an unbelievable guy.

Places & events

• Edmonton — Place · Setting · 11 mentions · first at 29:14
  Discussed in the context of the Edmonton Oilers and their players' achievements.
  Couldn't even dream up in your mind. AI couldn't create some of these players and Leon Dryidle is one of them. And I want to shout out Jason Greger, a good buddy of mine who's in Edmonton. He's he has a podcast on Daily Face Off.
• Vancouver — Place · Setting · 13 mentions · first at 2:42
  Mentioned as a location where the hosts have had experiences and where current events are taking place.
  I'm actually I was just going to ask if you could hear the horns going on one of the cruise ships. I'm actually at the pack rim right now in Vancouver, British Columbia. a…
• NHL Winter Classic — Event · Sports event · 1 mention · first at 1:28
  Announced as an upcoming event sponsored by Discover, featuring the NHL.
  Tickets, cash back on fries. It don't matter. There's cash back involved. The Discover NHL Winter Classic is taking place on January 2nd, 2026 in Miami, Florida. Tune in on…
• Chicago — Place · Setting · 7 mentions · first at 4:06
  Recalled as a city with significant hockey memories and experiences for the hosts.
  Like get remember the one in Chicago we used to go to? I think it was called Underground.
• Nashville — Place · Setting · 3 mentions · first at 4:06
  Mentioned as a city where the hosts have had memorable experiences during their hockey careers.
  This was one of our awesome road cities that we would get to. I always felt Yans, we were in Chicago and Nashville a lot and Nashville was the one where all the veterans would…
• Miami — Place · Setting · 1 mention · first at 1:31
  Mentioned as the location for the NHL Winter Classic event.
• Frozen Four — Event · Sports event · 3 mentions · first at 1:24:03
  Mentioned in passing, likely in the context of college hockey tournaments.
  Been so supportive and our like the student body is so supportive and so awesome. So it's been a blast and last year when we finally made the Frozen 4, there's so many people…
• Spangler Cup — Event · Sports event · 3 mentions · first at 1:43:46
  Mentioned in passing, likely in the context of hockey tournaments.
  And G brought it up. My understanding is you're going to be coaching a team that's going over to the Spangler Cup, which is a combination of all the top US is it US born college players?
• Aspen — Place · Setting · 1 mention · first at 5:00
  Briefly mentioned as a location where a charity event took place.
  That I like I would go to clubs all the time. you couldn't catch me dead in a club. I was just at that charity event in Aspen and they had like this like a club set up for the…

Media & podcasts

• Spit and Chicklets — Media · Host podcast · 3 mentions · first at 0:32
  The main podcast being discussed, focusing on hockey and sports culture.
• KFC Radio — Media · Referenced podcast · 1 mention · first at 13:26
  Mentioned as one of the original podcasts from Barstool Sports.
  Should be super proud of yourselves for and you know really be happy and whit the KFC radio like Fidleberg the first pod what's that the first pod.

Sponsors

• Discover — Company · Sponsor · 3 mentions · first at 1:00
  Official credit card sponsor of the National Hockey League, mentioned in an ad read.

Full transcript with timestamps

0:01 Me and Ryan have been officially welcomed to the jungle. That is Basel Sports. I uh brought it toward the Coyotes and I asked him if it was okay if I joined the Spit Chicks podcast full time.

0:13 Ryan Whitney got a pink Whitney out there now. Bagger. Get that on camera. Yandle the song man is a full-time member. Marley just got an assist from Chris B. Whoa. We're buzzing right now. Honk.

0:32 What is up, folks? Welcome to episode 606 of the Spit and Chicklets podcast. We're all rocking the same lid. Well, the same sort of lid. Biz has a different color scheme. But what is going on, folks? You know what? Next episode is

0:48 607. People get so mad. Oh, yeah. We just lost half our followers. The other half that are actually still around.

0:58 Well, we'll get into that in a sec, but first we do need to mention Biz. This episode is sponsored by Discover, the official credit card of the National Hockey League. No matter if your team wins or loses, Discover is there for you with cash back on all of your postgame purchases. With the Discover it card, you can earn cash back on every purchase. So, celebratory wings just got even better, a little tastier. Learn more at discover.com/creditard. Cash back on team gear, cash back on tickets, cash back on fries. It don't matter. There's cash back involved. The Discover NHL Winter Classic is taking place on January 2nd, 2026 in Miami, Florida. Tune in on TNT. Get cash back on every purchase with the Discover it card. Learn more at discover.com/creditard.

1:41 And I will say this, we have a chance, and it's not definite. We have a chance to bring something to you out of Winter Classic that you couldn't guess if you had 67 million guesses. So, let me tell you right now, be prepared for a possible very very

2:01 We can't tease the potential of it even happening. No, I'm not I'm not te I but but put it this way. Everyone who's thinking anything right now won't be able to think of what is maybe possible.

2:16 There's a clue. That's the only clue. Biz likes being teased. Oh yeah. Yeah, he does. He does. And choked. And

2:22 bring out the feathers. Bring out the hot candle wax. Yep. Yep. Yep. Maybe. Yeah.

2:29 Just pour it all over your chest. That's your style. Yeah. Yeah. Pour it on my Where are you at right now, busy boy? I'm actually I was just going to ask if you could hear the the the horns going on one of the cruise ships. I'm actually uh at the pack rim right now in Vancouver, British Columbia. Uh a bunch of the the boys are having a boys lunch on Friday to celebrate the holidays. I wanted to come up here, get a little bit of work done and and obviously see Jeff Pasha and uh and my fun crew that I hang out with in the summer. Why are you laughing like that when I said Posasha?

2:59 I'm laughing when you said I'm up in Vancouver because I want to get some work done and I see your workbench right behind you. So I know that the boys lunch will lead into some work. You know Keith grinding over his desk and his papers and his pen.

3:13 So that that's one of the best hotels in the game though. The pack room. I actually like that Weston Beayshore too that we always

3:23 What do you mean it was grimy? We had that lunchroom that had it had everything. And they would have the best salmon we would have on the road. Like the fish here is to die for. And you could look out to the water. You could see the the mountains in North Vancouver. And the fact that

3:39 they always used to have us on the same floor. And this is during like the Coyotes hey days. And we were always that was when we made playoffs three years in a row. So we would always win and stick around for that like a couple days. We would always make it like a home base and oh we would go to the Roxy, we'd come back like everybody's doors would be open. We'd all be hanging out on the floor and it was just a

4:01 This was one of our awesome road cities that we would get to. Um, I always felt like, uh, Yans, we were in Chicago and Nashville a lot and Nashville was the one where all the veterans would come out cuz, you know, we had like we we had a lot of vets where they weren't out boozing like me every night. Like you would far and few between see them out having fun on the road and that was even one where Donor would come out was in Nashville. So those were those were our hub cities. So

4:27 that's because like when we were younger, we were we were going to clubs, but then you go to Nashville and I remember too being like the older guys are always out in Nashville, but it it was just little bar music. So it wasn't like the the Heroax scene that us young guys were into. It was like, hey, let's go grab a bar stool and listen to some sick live music from somebody that has a chance of ending up being like f a famous musician. So there was a difference in the in the old guy's mentality in Nashville.

4:53 Yeah. I mean, I loved obviously both, but it's crazy to look back on the fact that I like I would go to clubs all the time. Like, you couldn't catch me dead in a club. I was just at that charity event in uh in Aspen and they had like this like a club set up for the one night. I was in there for 30 minutes. I was asking people if they had earplugs like get

5:13 remember the one in Chicago we used to go to? I think it was called Underground.

5:16 Oh, yeah. Oh, it was just an absolute Oh, war zone in there. Oh, buddy. Buddy, you're sweating your [ __ ] off. It was just a Yeah. Everything going on in there. But, uh, yeah, boys. Um, other than that, what do you want to get into now Woody?

5:33 Well, I think we we got to, uh, we got to, you know, talk about the the big announcement that that broke uh broke broke over

5:40 I think it was what, Wednesday? Yeah, because it's Thursday right now. Um, we're going to Netflix. We are going to Netflix. Um, pardon my take, the Ryan Rascillo show and spitting chicklets are now on our video going to be a part of Netflix. And kind of crazy when Dave called you and I, Biz, I want to say it was about 3 weeks ago. May Yeah, about three weeks ago. A little longer.

6:04 Maybe a little maybe a month ago. Um, and and just was like, "Hey, this is an option. Like, what do you guys think?" And we were both blown away, right? like bunch of questions right away and kind of curious like whoa I didn't even know Netflix was in the podcast game but just the fact that like we started this thing Biz wasn't there RA myself Grenell we had a we had as what Grenelli called a hand-me-down now it was a handme-down GoPro camera when he wrote h a mmy y I I thought it was a typo and I but but then I was like oh my god this [ __ ] idiot thought that handme-down was hand me down. Now, when you say it, you really could kind of understand what he's going through, but he replied talking nice. I I think at 6 p.m. I tweeted, "I can't stop thinking that Mike Brunell thought handme-down was hand-me-down." And he said Plymouth State Education. So, a little shot at his school. Uh gee, that

6:56 was more text about this than anything we've ever done with spitting chicklets. Like my 10year career here, people are just baffled that I thought it was hand-me-down. Have you guys ever wrote out h handme-down? I never have.

7:08 I'm with you. I'm with you on this, G. No, this was one G where I thought like you got made fun of, no doubt. But there there there was there was more comments than I thought. Like, oh, I kind of thought that that was it as well. Um

7:22 I didn't skip a beat after I read it. And if anything, I think they should change it.

7:26 You don't count. No, they should change it to hand. I think I'm right. Yeah. It's it's it's almost like your trailer park moment. Your trailer park.

7:35 I somehow lost this. I I I'm now the loser in this combo, but you three are all idiots. So, I still know that I'm winning prep school, Beu 3 years, um grade point average, not necessarily phenomenal, but I knew it was hand dash me dash down. So, I'll stick to my guns and say that I'm still correct, but you guys can live in your world of hand. There's there's a lot of English uh things that I get. I used to think it was uh two P's in a pot

8:03 where it's two P's in a pod like cuz they're in those pods. So that's I guess that's an easier one than Hammy down. Like that one is kind of like that one's

8:12 Yeah, that's borderline R word. So G, very funny. Very funny. um in a big announcement and you know like in like in anything these days there's there's people who

8:23 I I think we're saying hey congratulations like great for you guys and there was people who were furious big mad as they say. Um Biz I'm kind of going to throw it to you first like kind of explain your thoughts and and and where we're at right now.

8:37 Yeah. So, I don't think we should give like the time and attention right off the hop to maybe like the five 10 or 10% of people who somehow don't have Netflix and who I guess you you would question like someone being a fan if they're not happy for you when you're having success and and and you know, you're building towards you know, bigger and better things. Uh we'll get to um you know talking about that afterward, but I guess my brain uh first off just kind of went to being thankful and grateful for the people on our team and our staff.

9:08 Like you know I remember when Erica um Nardini, who's no longer with Bar Stool and and Gaz and some people behind the scenes uh recommended that we start putting our our um our uh podcast on video. And obviously

9:22 I was furious. I was furious when that happened. I remember being like, "No, no, I don't want to lose. I'm disgusting. I'm disgusting. I have to then like somehow look decent. Like I still can't do it, but go ahead. I'm sorry."

9:36 Yeah. Yeah. I got to put this baked potato. Yeah. It was just It was a It was a It's a podcast.

9:42 Yeah. And then obviously like G being the producer having to act on that and it putting more work on his plate and as well as you know memes who has been around along for a while. uh Posasha, Fish, uh uh Nick, Burda, like the whole crew that we currently have, Julia who helps with Pink Whitney. So, uh RA, Yans, like everyone, everyone who's on our team, right? So, that's first where my my mind went to be thankful and grateful for all you guys. And then my thought went to like how are we even in this position um bar stool in general, right? and the the people who before the company was as the as big as it is now who helped lay the foundation like the foreplay guys uh uh Trent uh and Frankie who were there since the beginning the chicks in the office girls uh the um the the list goes on and on. I mentioned Gaz. Like you guys could think of a million more people who have been involved at Barcel from the beginning

10:38 who once I said brick by brick. Obviously Dave being the the the centerpiece of all that in finding all this talent that have helped grown this company to the size that it is now to eventually put us in the situation that we're in now to get linked up with Netflix. And I couldn't be more grateful for the opportunities that and the doors that I think it's going to open moving forward. And uh I think that it it is going to h and along with putting sandbaggers on there, chicklets. Now I know there's a lot of questions from our hardcore fans like what's going to happen with those. Those sandbaggers, chicklets, youu the vlog, uh game notes, all of that in video form will remain on YouTube. So you can go watch that and consume that for free. Um, also I feel like a lot of the people that do complain, especially with us moving to Netflix, are also the same people that were complaining about YouTube ads

11:30 because they didn't pay for YouTube Premium. Well, once again, that solution can be solved by you pay paying for a premium product on that platform to avoid all those ads that constantly come up while you're consuming that

11:44 aren't even ours. That's YouTube. That's that's that's YouTube, right? But once again, like I just want to thank all the the like the support from all the people uh who have been with us since the beginning and once again all the bar stool staff and I'll hand it over to you or Yans if you want to keep uh and and and it's also not just the talent who have helped us lay the foundation from a bar stool perspective. It's when we go do the chicklets um uh cups uh live event Lisa and that and her whole staff and all those people who help with that. All the people who head up help set up our pink Whitney events.

12:16 all the people who have like like the spiders, the largestes, like you could probably name off 50 more people off the top of your head who have who have helped us get to this point from bar stool in the and the army that it is. So I I just want to express my gratitude to all those people on that side who have helped facilitate us and the fact that we've been able to grow even before Netflix happened. So I'll hand it over to Yans and you before we kind of dive into to the hate, so to speak. when you guys called me and obviously I'm new to this. I'm small fish big pond but I couldn't have been more proud of you guys just what you you put into this what you've you know given us. I was a fan before and I think it's such an amazing opportunity for everyone involved and uh yeah it basically be like getting a call to play in the NHL if you weren't in if you were in some random league and you just said no. like

13:05 you this is an opportunity you got to take like Netflix is such a huge player in the game and I think it's amazing and I think you guys deserve a lot of credit and for what you've done and what you've given back to hockey what you've uh you know given you know fans every single week so I think it's something you should be super proud of yourselves for and and you know really be be happy

13:26 and whit uh the KFC radio like like Fidleberg uh the first pod what's that the first the first pod

13:33 they were the first ones right? Uh KFC, uh uh obviously uh pardon my take, Big Cat, all those guys like, uh um so PFT, I I just I I can't keep snapping the love around more to the love around to the guys and girls at Bar Stool.

13:49 Yeah. And and in terms of snapping the love around, I was thinking about this last night. So all of us, our dreams came true of of of reaching the NHL, right? like and when you look back at the end of your career, there are there are many people that you owe thanks to and you see different speeches, whether it's a Hall of Famer or somebody who played five games in the NHL, like their dream came true and there's people who helped them along the way. But a lot of times most of that like ability to get to that level is within you and it's what you did and it's what you put in and it's what you sacrifice and it's all those things that while getting help no doubt you were the one that got it done.

14:32 This second career of ours is the opposite where without you guys listening right now and watching we really are nothing. So, you look back at the NHL and like I take a lot more credit for what I did playing hockey than what I've done as a podcaster because without you guys, there's literally nothing. There's no pod. There's no there's no anything. It's just it was a it was an idea and a thought that turned into something that's beyond my and Keith and Biz's wildest imagination. I hope I hope you know we're we're being honest. Like when when at least personally this thing started, I was literally going over to RAS to shoot the [ __ ] about hockey just to get out of the house. I didn't have kids. I didn't know what I was going to do. All right. Well, this is something.

15:17 And and I I was a bar stool fan and I don't know, like not a plan, not an idea, not even a thought to make any money. Like I I truthfully telling you that. And then as it progresses and it gets bigger and Biz hops on, it's like wow, we have something pretty pretty special here. and all the guys who've done interviews. But I come back to the fans and more fans and more fans and a guy telling his buddy and another guy telling another buddy and all of a sudden like we've grown up as podcasters and as people in our second careers with with you as fans. So, when we got this news and we got this opportunity, like I'm not going to sit here and say that me and Biz didn't think like, oh, like it kind of does like screw over if you don't have Netflix some of the people who watch on YouTube. Now, I'll also go into the fact that I've always thought it's kind of crazy and this is p this is me personally that like people watch

16:14 podcast. Now, thank God they do because that's why we, you know, we do what what we can and we're we're able to now go to Netflix and that's how so many podcasts have become successful. But I listen to them and this was an audio podcast. That's how it began. That's how it ran. And then as video became the thing, we obviously got into YouTube. But I don't want you to think that we didn't sit around and say like, "Oh, some people some people are going to be rattled." But at the same time, like I for me, if I if I was a fan of of something or someone and they kept growing and they kept moving and they made a move that maybe I didn't agree with, I wouldn't then say like, "Oh, [ __ ] sellout.

16:54 [ __ ] it scumbag." Some of the messages I've gotten, and this is a this is a vocal minority. I I' as Biz said, I' I'd be happy for them. I might be bummed out a little bit, but I'd be happy. And and the fact is that like I'm not going to sit here and say, "Oh, like there wasn't way more money involved." Like we got paid more money. Like that's a fact. Now G's going to make more money. Posh is going to make more money. Merles army, everyone's going to make more money. Like that we're going to make more money. And if you're sitting around calling me a sellout, all right, I'm a [ __ ] sellout then. I don't give a [ __ ] I really don't. I'm saying that and telling you how much I appreciate every single person who's ever watched this show, who's ever tuned in, whoever has commented, liked, watched, subscribed, it doesn't matter. Now, sometimes like you kind of agree to disagree. And if and if you now hate us

17:46 so much that you don't want to watch anymore, that sucks. And and I'm bummed out to hear it, but that's your decision. And I respect it. And if you want to keep riding with us and you want to get Netflix or you'd rather just maybe listen to the audio instead, thank you so much. We appreciate it. But you can never please everyone. And this is something that came from nothing that has turned into something very special that I will think of myself more as as the one of the hosts of Spit Chicklets when I'm 70 80 years old, God willing, than I will that I was a hockey player.

18:18 So I'm very long- winded here. No, you've been breaking this down unreal. Dude, I

18:22 I just want to say thank you to everyone. And if you're upset, I I am sorry. I'm not saying sorry, not sorry. I'm I'm sorry. But we made a decision. I hope you still ride with us. That would mean the world to us. And if you don't,

18:35 no hard feelings. No hard feelings. It's just like it's more about the like the nasty message coming back like you said where it's like, "Oh, so we've gone to two a week. we got all these guys behind the scenes grinding their [ __ ] off and then you expect them to just like not take this opportunity. And it also like it's it it wouldn't just be leaving an opportunity to like make sure these guys are taken care of financially where we're hoping it opens up the door to get, you know, better interviews, maybe more opportunities for for different guests for sandbaggers. Maybe that gets amplified and we do more of them. Um, you know, G's been doing these chicklets use that have been doing great as far as views. like maybe they're interested in that and they're willing to fund more of those types of trips for him to go do so you can consume more. And also like we're not holding a gun to your head and

19:23 say sign up for for Netflix like just to listen and watch our podcast. Like there are so many more talented actors and shows and things that that Netflix has to offer outside of our podcast. And another thing too, it's like we also made the decision based on the fact that 80% of our our listenership overall, so including if it was video form and or audio are listening on audio and then also assuming that what like 70% of the population has Netflix. So, like, yeah, there's a small percentage of you that are quote unquote getting hosed, but it's like if you're that big of a fan and you're happy for us and our success, like if you don't want to buck up and pay the $15 a month in order to support us, we're okay with that. But coming in with the mud to to slander the fact that that everybody's hard work shouldn't be rewarded. I just don't think that that you're honest and saying that you wouldn't be doing the same. And that's

20:20 kind of where that's where you lose me. That's perfectly well said. And like B mentioned like Sandbaggers and everything else, it remains on YouTube. Ideally for us, we we bring those over to Netflix. Uh not exclusively though. Those will forever be on YouTube, that's free. And and the chickle to you and the vlogs and also like our Twitter and you know, maybe everyone's not on Twitter, but like Instagram and Twitter, all of our clips from the shows and the interviews are are still on there. And I think a lot of people kind of consume a lot of our content on the clips. So Biz, I I like what you said, like if if you if you hate us now, I I honestly I

21:00 I'm not being rude. I I don't care. And I wish I wish you didn't, but like good luck to you. No hard feelings. And And we we're not we're not go we're not going anywhere. We're still going to be bringing you the best content we can. And there might be I I believe that net Netflix has about 90 uh million uh users like people that have signed up like on average. Maybe

21:22 that's just in North America too. Maybe that's just in North America. So the the amount of of exposure that it might bring to hockey with us being on there now where people are like oh like what's going on over here that we also look at that like an opportunity. So I just don't really I I can't I can't reason with you. Um, if if your idea is that we're kind of hosing you if you're that five to five to 10% of the minority that are are like extremely angry about this because let's keep in mind here like we started this as a just audio podcast in which once again you're getting free on all platforms, you're still getting the uh the sandbaggers, you're still getting the chicklets views, you're still getting all the clips on social media which we're doing.

22:06 Literally, we're taking one thing uh quote unquote away for you that you can still pay to go watch, which also provides you all these other amazing things that this company was willing to buck up and pay us for the work that we're putting in. And once again, we've went from one to two a week, and we're bringing you a lot of entertainment, or at least we try. So, I feel like we've been uh we've been long-winded, but pretty reasonable and rational about this. And if I could just say something for the behind the scenes guys, like when you're in film school and and you're learning how to edit, the NHL is Netflix. Like that is such a it's such a pipe dream. It's something that you you almost never feel is achievable. And when I called all of our guys to tell them, "Hey, we're doing Netflix." Like the excitement in their voices was just something that made us made me so happy. And it should make all

22:56 of our fan bases happy because like this for me and and I can speak for the guys behind the scenes. This is a dream come true. Like our work is gonna be on Netflix. Like that is the that's what we worked our entire life for. That's why Fish went to the best film school in America. That's why Pasha went to an unbelievable film school in Vancouver. Like we worked our asses off for this. So for us, it's a dream come true. So, anyone out there that's not happy for us, I just feel sorry for you because we're living our dreams right now and we couldn't be happier.

23:25 And some of them are saying with like like woke, oh, you're working with Netflix. Some of these people, man, they live in this like uh they live on this hamster wheel and they just like they they're just angry and they want to [ __ ] about, oh, you're associated with this company and they they didn't like one thing this company did at one certain point of time. So, if you associate with them, then they'll never I'm never listening to you again. It's like, man, get off your hamster wheel. You you you got some major major brain issues.

23:50 They do allow nudity, though, right? Netflix announced nudity. So, biz biz. Well, I'll be doing helicopter [ __ ] and and manas on the next on the first episode.

23:59 Yeah, there you go. A live piss bomb on Netflix. Yeah. I thought you made a good point just about like the community of the, you know, the fans that we have. Like I I can't see a world that, you know, everyone isn't like the true riders aren't happy for everyone cuz like you said, it's growth and it's just bettering ourselves and it's going to better the product, right? And it's going to be better listening for them. So I at the end of the day, man, it's [ __ ] a huge unbelievable opportunity and you guys should be pumped.

24:27 And and like Biz, there are some people and it it honestly like makes me sad. It makes me feel really bad that are just they're they're they're down in the dumps. They're not happy with the way their lives are going and they and they choose to kind of like spread not it's not hate necessarily. It's just spread being miserable as opposed to just trying to like live life the right way. And I'm not saying everyone who's not going, you know, who are going through things. It's not easy, but there's a lot of people I could sense from the comments I was getting that just just kind of miserable people and they're just looking to make other people miserable. And it brings me to my other point. Uh, boys week. Do you remember a couple weeks? Do you remember a couple weeks ago I had boys weekend and I screamed

25:13 Breeze in Hawaii for six DAYS RIGHT NOW? BOYS [screaming] WEEK. SO, we're going ham. We're going ham right now. And she left a note and it was a great note. It was it it was to the boys in the morning and it said, uh, "Be kind, work hard, choose joy." And I was like, I text her. I go, "You're a [ __ ] animal. You're a rockstar." It's a just a rider read it and he was like, he loved it. I could tell it sparked his day. So, that's what we're going with. That's that's the boys week motto. Thank god the rink's ready

25:46 and I'm out here. That's a babysitter. I'm out here grinding this morning. Got got Ryder up. Got him to the bus. He's like 30 minutes from here. So, he takes a bus to school. Then I got Wyatt. I came back. Got Wyatt to school. Then I got Cal over um to like he goes to like a little like a like a little play play area place, you know, a couple days a week. Then I came back. I gave Yoshi his medicine. I stuck it in a piece of chicken. So he like usually spits it out, but I able I was able to master it within the chicken where he ate his medicine. Then I took him for a walk.

26:17 And at this point, it's 9:00 and I'm like, I've I I have crushed this day so far. Like you want to give medals out, you want to have Netflix uh come on and bring you on to their network. That's what you do in the morning as a father of three young boys.

26:30 That's why you have that coffee cup that says number one dad right there. I also have this coffee cup which brings us in to a team that's buzzing.

26:39 Can I Can I say one last thing though with uh you know squeaky wheel gets the grease and I know we just gave a little bit of time and attention to the people bitching but to to regurgitate your comments about thanking the the original ride or dies and all the people who have followed us and supported us along the way. I think this is a a win for all of us and that were happy for us too that said congrats.

27:00 Yeah. And I and I look at this as an opportunity to like not only prove the the the haters and the naysayers wrong, but continue to amplify the product for those people who have supported us and the the work starts now. Like every time we've hit these little milestones, it's not like we've taken our foot off the gas. We're just going to continue to try to bring uh more and better stuff to to our fans who support us. So, uh, I'm sorry to the people who don't want to buck up the $140, $150 a year in order to support something you supposedly love. Uh, but you could still listen to it on our all of our channels. Uh, from an audio standpoint and you don't have to look at us and you don't have to look at our Exactly. Exactly.

27:41 Guys, and real quick, we did mention when we were talking about Netflix Chicklets, we did just drop a new Chicklet University episode. It's with Yukon Tuscano Family Ice Arena. $73 million they just put into this bad boy. It's absolutely gorgeous. It's brand new. I believe they opened it in 2023. Joey Muldown gave us the tour. Names sound familiar. Second in the country last year in scoring. So very excited. Go check it out right now on this spit and shickles YouTube channel. And it's uh Coach Kavanaaugh. That was actually the one big takeaway I wanted to uh discuss is coach Kavanaaugh was absolutely incredible. Uh just so impressive the program he's built. He infamously was uh at Boston College recruited Kevin Hayes, recruited Jimmy Hayes. So just uh an unbelievable guy.

28:26 He's built an unbelievable program. So very very excited. Fish, we can actually just roll the trailer here and then you guys can move on.

28:33 Let's see your family on six. 1 2 3 4 5 6. THEY gave us the resources to really elevate everything we do here.

28:40 I want you to come here, develop, and make 10 million. here at Yukon. I mean, they got it all.

29:05 Now, it's time for hockey talk. Boom. You're right, Biz. Hockey talk. And that's why I want to just give an incredible congratulations to not only Leon Didle, but the entire city of Edmonton and every person that's loyal to the oil around the world. This is this is a global brand biz, the Edmonton Oilers. You know why? They're the first team in NHL history with five players to get 1,000 points with their team. That is the type of team we're talking about. That is a truly great franchise that while having some dark years that unfortunately was while I was there have had many, many more magnificent, incredible seasons with players that you couldn't even dream up in your mind. AI couldn't create some of these players and Leon Dryidle is one of them. And I want to shout out Jason Greger, a good buddy of mine who's in Edmonton. He's uh he has a a podcast on um Daily Face Off.

29:58 He's got a radio show. He's dialed in, knows the game. his nephew's Noah Greor who's on the Florida Panthers this year. Oh, actually Keith, congrats. You won the 5050 last year.

30:09 Oh yeah, that's crazy. That's [ __ ] insane. That is absolutely ridiculous. It was so [ __ ] funny.

30:14 If you want to win if you would have won at an Edmonton game, you could retire. Well, not like

30:19 Well, he he made like 85 million, so he could have I guess you could all the trainers when we'd be in the Canadian cities, they'd all like get the pot together cuz the 50/50s are out of control in Canada, right?

30:31 Wasn't it like 8 million for one of the cup final games last year? I think something crazy. Edmonton's always been known great franchises, great 50/50s. So, um I mentioned Jason Gregor. He wrote an awesome article. He went back into uh Leon Daddle's entire life. He interviewed his mom, his dad, his sister, a bunch of teammates, all of his former coaches for Edmonton. So whether it was Ken Hitchcock, uh Todd Mlullen, um um what's his name that was in Anaheim?

31:00 Tippet. No. Yeah, Tippet. And then who's the guy who took away the donuts? Oh, yeah.

31:06 Oh. Uh Jesus Christ. Daryl. Nice hair. Oh. Uh um what the heck? Oh god. Come on, boys. We can

31:13 unreal hair. What the [ __ ] Yeah. [ __ ] Dallas Eans. Dallas. Wow. Jesus. Dallas, that's not that's not you. That's us. But um the article's sick and it was talking about So I didn't know his dad was a very good player. Played for Germany in the 98 uh Nagono Olympics. Played, you know, in the in the in the league over there. And he was just obsessed with hockey from a young age. like his mom's talking about that he would sit in full gear at 2 and a half and just watch games and just watch hockey. And it's like it kind of made me think that and I think I mentioned this last week or a couple weeks ago that while 98% or 95% of the NHL aren't these generational talents, Hall of Fame superstars and maybe uh fall in love with the game at 12 or become great at 13. The true superstars, the Sids, the McDavids, the Leons, the McKinnons, they are born with it and you kind of know right away. I'm I'm

32:14 sticking by this. Like when I read this about him and all the stuff about Sid and McDavid playing against 11 year olds when he's six or seven, like the greatest of the great and Gretzky as a little kid shooting on his grandmother like they are born with it and they are created in a lab that is somehow their mother's stomach as well. So Leon was one of those kids

32:34 called the placenta. A placenta. Very, you know, some women actually like turn the placenta into pills after and eat the placenta biz. Yep.

32:41 Do you know that? Uh, no comment. Well, go check out that literally my multivitamin.

32:49 But the way he did it in Pittsburgh, I was very fired up for that game Tuesday night.

32:53 Oh, yeah. Because uh Sid I think at that point Sid was two or three away from from tying Mario. Um, that is just something that Penguins fans like you drafted him and he turned into this Mount Rushmore hockey player, but you still would have been like, "Oh, I don't I don't think I don't think he's touching Mario's record for points and he's going to break it. He's probably going to crush it, especially if he remains there his entire career." So, you had that and you had McDavid on this run and Leon looking for his thousandth point. And what do you know? It's Jarry verse Skinner.

33:25 Unreal. And the puck goes in and they're celebrating. Now, I as an Oilers fan, I can even admit I was like, "You're emptying the bench for 1,000 points now?"

33:33 Absolutely. [ __ ] Keith's comment was that the entire arena of fans should come on the ice for a,000 points. That's ridiculous.

33:42 For 100 goals, [ __ ] I got everybody in the Hall of Fame, right? Like, like you should be celebrating these types of achievements. Y

33:50 100%. like the the work that's gone in, the years of staying healthy. Like, not to mention the guy's still only what?

33:59 He's 30 years old. Like, I mean, he's still on a good clip here. Like, and we got a lot more years. Hopefully, his next thousand points. I'll I'll go on the ice for that as well. But I I It's just one of those things where I'm sure the player doesn't love it like cuz all hockey players are kind of, you know, built from the same cloth. They don't want that attention on them. But as a teammate in biz where you know that like when other guys get accolades, it's your teammates when you see how happy they are when they're celebrating you. Like

34:29 I'll never forget when I played my thousandth game. Like you see guy like guys are just like giving you a hug cuz they know what it takes and stuff like that. Like even when Shane Dong, he finally got a hat-tick, man.

34:39 Dude, I was just going to mention that. And then uh Mike Smith when he got a goal, we went out that night like we won the Stanley Cup. It was like those are some of my funnest nights of just like when your when your teammate does something that you know 95% of the league is never going to do and you're a part of it. It's the coolest thing and that's what I love about the game and I love the fact that you're old man yelling at cloud that you don't like that but it's I I think it's so

35:05 I was just like whoa I didn't expect it. I didn't expect it therapist. The fact what

35:11 was it your dad who said it? No, he's calling me old man yelling at the club. Oh, we're coming off the bench for 1,000 points.

35:18 Yeah. Oh, I mean, I think that you any chance you get to celebrate anything in life, you do it. Especially that. And I just think that you could just tell the morale is so high and you know, they had those t-shirts teed up with the Sigs ready to go. So, that's what I think actually the boys are more excited about were smoking the jimmies after the game. But I agree with you. And he's also like he's made that organization, a lot of those guys lives very easy in the fact that he's helped carry them to back-to-back Stanley Cup finals. And just the you know, you talk about those types of players and they're so hyperfocused and they put every fiber of their being into be being the greatest hockey player and you know how much it means to him and but yet they don't like the they don't like the attention like that. So, it's just remarkable how these guys are built and how they're programmed. And sure enough after that

36:07 morale boost what does McDavid do the next shift like probably less than 10 seconds later 10 and two and around the [ __ ] D man and boom to the back of the net for for Dry Cidital's thousandth and one point. So first ever German player to do it. So that also has to mean a lot for him for his country and where he came from in order to

36:26 to to put them on the map like he's continued to do. and just like the evolution of of of German hockey like you know like there's more and more guys coming up right and he's one of those guy he's going to be Germany's Gretzky for for the he is already he is already player so that has to just mean so much to him coming from where he came from and uh it was remarkable to see I couldn't be happier for the guy and hey it goes back to some guys get it all [ __ ] he is one hand he is a he I would never let my wife in a room alone with that guy Some of the most underrated hair in the game, too. His hair is always facial hair. The hair

37:04 probably baseball bat horn. He's gone. Talking about Oh, for sure. Yeah. And he could probably do a piss bomb cuz he's European, but he uh the what one of the coaches, it might have been Mlullen said what what he loved about him was he'll play any way. Like he's like, "All right, um you're running into a night where a team's like, "Let's skill this thing up. I got it. And hey, we're running into a team that's like we're gonna muck it up and this is going to be a battle zone. I got that too. And I kind of thought about it after like he is he's so big and like dominant, but he [ __ ] takes hits to make plays. He drags guys in and then the backhand his ability on the backhand probably I'm going to give it to Crosby obviously after that I think the best player in the world on his backhand partly to do with him having a legit like 2x4 as a stick and a blade. But, uh, like even his his mom was talking about he's like

37:58 5 years old and he would just like take the the top of like a he take a bottle cap and then like find a stick. He'd be just like shooting the bottle cap, stick stick handling the bottle cap. When he had time off, his dad's like, "What do you want to do?" They'd go to random parking lots and like put a net and he would just shoot and stick handle balls at like seven years old. Like, like you said, Bis put every single part of his life into this game. And so to see that happen and to see the player he is and to also talk to Oilers fans if you do I mean he's third overall pick it was um he was after Reinhardt who was first at your EClad maybe

38:34 eky Reinhardt him I think the Oilers were like you know excited third pick but they didn't they didn't expect this like no nobody could have expected this he left home he left his uh his town uh cologne biz he still hasn't actually come out with the cologne line that's an alltime time chicklets moment where Biz, if anyone didn't know, looked at his uh Google page or his bio and saw Cologne Germany and then randomly was like, I think he's starting a cologne. Cuz he saw the word Cologne. Very funny moment. So

39:05 at 13 he he he's like, I have to leave like it's it's not good enough here. I want to go to Mannheim, which was 3 hours away. In the article it says with two teammates, they got an apartment. They were 13 years old. like kind of crazy to me, but that's like a little

39:20 That's where he learned how to smoke. Well, he had a full [ __ ] beard and a [ __ ] baseball bat. So, I mean, yeah.

39:27 And then he don't need proof of insurance. We got We trust you. And then in the article it says that year had 29 goals and 97 assists, which is kind of crazy. Like 29 and 97 now on the Oilers. Like the foreshadowing very random like the stats to the numbers of him and him and McDavid. But Pittsburgh and and and Ed uh Edmonton, it's been a it's been a hammer and nail type rivalry. Like Edmonton dominates them. And not only did Daddle get his thousandth point and first and thousand and two points that game, Good English, I believe McDavid passed Crosby in that game for most four-point games by active players. It was McDavid's four 44th career four-point game. So it's like kind of forgot that that McDavid I think is third or fourth fastest to a thousand points in NHL history and Leon's like top 20 in the league. So just generational players that that we get the chance to watch.

40:23 And you know how many more are McDavid going to have? And and speaking about both of them too, like as much as they get points on one another's goals and they p play power play together, their both of their abilities to play with other guys that maybe might not be up to their standard but yet still get it done and elevate their play is pretty remarkable. Like even like the way that he's tooken Pod King under his wing, Leon and like now sometimes Pod Coing's going to his spot where he score scores off to the side near the goal line. So, I just think it's remarkable the way that these high-end guys are able to elevate their teammates. And another thing I saw, too, and I don't think this was AI generated, but maybe I'm getting spoofed here, but um obviously a tough situation between uh you know, Steuart Skinner and the way that he was handled leaving town, like that's not that's probably not enjoyable. He's from there.

41:14 Uh Jre, who's also from there, gets to go back. So, they do the goalie swap and that's probably the the main topic of conversation going into that game that was on TNT the other night. Uh, but after the game, just the way that uh McDavid and Leon like embraced them and and said

41:30 they love him. You could tell. Yeah. And you know, it's just obviously he's had his struggles together.

41:35 And you talked about, you know, you talked about how um you know, when they get a save percentage above 900, how successful they are and maybe how, you know, he had has he's had has his struggles or had has has had has had. Good English, too. You're [ __ ] rubbing off on me, Whitty.

41:49 Uh it was just cool to see that and that the love is not lost and they'll be brothers for life. It just, you know, sometimes business is business. So thought Jarry looked good and uh you know that was just a peppering by Edmonton on on u on Pittsburgh.

42:04 Another thing quick on Leon and I'm sure like Edmonton fans and true hockey fans he's when McDavid's not even playing he elevates his game to another level too. Like whenever McDavid's been out of the lineup it's like okay obviously you miss him but you miss him a lot less when you got a guy like Leon. So he's not a guy that's kind of rode anyone's coattails either. He's done it all himself and

42:26 has Malcolm Crosby. I know we we don't have the three cups, but they are so similar in terms of like the way Malcolin and Didle play and then the speed Sid had at a younger age and he's changed his game. He's played 20 years that and McDavid has the speed. It's it's eerie how similar it all is. And just a little in-depth Oiler stuff. There was an article by Allen Mitchell in the Athletic. It was interesting cuz what did I tell you guys do? And the Oilers are now on a run. The Oilers are now humming. Uh, what did I tell you needed to happen and would happen?

42:59 20 games, 40 points. Okay, thank you. McDavid in December, he's got seven games. He's got 20 points. So, we're looking at possibly after 20 games. It might be 50-ish points based on what he's doing. He's in Boston um tonight or or last for you guys listening on Friday. That could be that I'm not going breeze in Hawaii. Have fun. Um, but yeah, that should be a good one. But the the article by this Allan Mitchell guy, so his ice time's down. McDavid's ice time's down, and it makes a lot of sense. So, it's it's down about a minute a game. Um, even a minute and a half a game in December compared to October and November. And it it just makes sense. And people are probably like, a minute and a half, it's like, dude, it adds up. It adds up. And your matchups are the toughest you're going to get. And you get 90 seconds less a game. That's just more energy on the bench. The shape they're in, they're

43:52 recovering quicker and it kind of I was I was surprised because I didn't know that. And that's kind of explained this just explosion he's on right now.

44:00 That's kind of one of my issues with sometimes you see Matthews up in the 2122 range where I'm like bump that down. And the same goes the other way. Like I know Philip Deno has now requested a trade out of LA where you notice sometimes the game sheet he's in that like 15 12 16 range where sometimes that extra minute and a half 2 minutes and that ice time you're not getting from your coach is irritating because that's you getting in your rhythm a little bit more time in between shifts to to not get in that offensive rhythm. So, I'm telling you that the ice time thing is a very fickle conversation about how much you should get or shouldn't be given. And I agree with you. I think that Edmonton, especially how heavy they lean on them as the playoffs go on, the more you can conserve their energy now, the better.

44:49 And if you have a well-built team, they shouldn't be playing 21 22 minutes. They should be in that 19 range where they're more effective. Uh what was the other

44:58 especially in an Olympic year too like the the condensed schedule care about that but yeah I know

45:04 but we t we talked about it earlier in the year when Minnesota was struggling when Capri was playing 24 minutes a night. It's like, man, when is too much too much? You know, it's like you got to be at that perfect amount. And that's what takes a good coach to figure that out and implement that and and then the player can't get pissed off, right? Cuz obviously everyone wants to play the most that you can. But when the coach knows how many minutes you should be playing, your production that you're going to get, like that's a huge huge uh huge asset to have.

45:34 Whit, did you want to uh just quickly talk about Crosby about to hit 1,800 points? He would be the second fastest player all time to do so other than Wayne Gretzky.

45:43 Yeah, I think it's it's it's a no-brainer now. I don't know if anyone thought 2,000 points would be touched. Um Sid's going to get it. Uh Connor's going to get it. I mean, god, Leon's 30. Like, [ __ ] he might get it. But

45:56 it's just it's just amazing to see. And it's it's now at the point though with Pittsburgh, the questions are going to come up again. Magical start. They've lost six in a I think three of them have been overtime or shootout losses where they're getting a point, but they are out of the playoffs right now. Um, that kind of sucks to see because what had happened in Pittsburgh and Muse comes in and and Malcolm was playing incredible. It's like, oh my god, like we're going to get another run here. We're going to get another maybe not a run to the cup, but a playoff opportunity. They're they're struggling and not having Malcolin is is bad news. They got to get him back healthy. But Sid is just it's we've said it over and over and over again. It's like it's just 20 [ __ ] years of over a point per game. How do you even explain it?

46:41 A little myalpa. He's a few points away from passing Mario. He's still a little bit away from hitting that 1,800 mark, but

46:48 how what 20? No, no, he's uh he's at 1722 overall right now. Oh, I thought it was 1780. Okay. Okay.

46:55 Yeah, I thought he was a little farther along, too. That's why my culpa, but Well, he's getting 2,000.

47:00 He's getting I think he's getting there, too. No doubt. I think I actually think this won't be his last Olympics. That's my hot take.

47:07 Love it. I think he's gonna play. Yeah, you've been saying that lately. Well, buddy, you think he's You think he's gonna let Marawn play past him? They're [ __ ] buddies are training sometime. Nate's going to still be going. He ain't [ __ ] retiring.

47:17 I know. Bunzo on our group chat, Keith was like, I can't believe Marawn has like 17 or 18 like whatever he had. I think he has 16, 17, 18 goals.

47:25 He's got 19 now. 19. And also, I I I went on pardon my take. It's going to be out Wednesday. and they they we were it's their NHL preview. It's the earliest they've ever done their NHL preview. And he's like, "All right, uh give me your cup finalists." And I'm like, "Obviously Edmonton, but I mentioned the Central." And and then he's like, "All right, what about in the East?" And I was thinking and I'm like, and based on the last two weeks, I think Florida's going back to the cup.

47:52 Yeah. Like who? So, and I started talking to them. I'm like, "All right, so Tampa, uh, but they owned Tampa last year. or maybe be different story like who's better than them and then Kachchuck's like going to be rested and then if they get Barkov back I think that it's going to be a rematch. I think it's going to be third time in a row. People are laughing at my Edmonton take but who out there right now doesn't think Florida's going to do it. They look unbeatable again.

48:18 The biggest question is the West cuz how good the Central is. That's the only question. I think the East. If Florida's healthy,

48:24 Florida's done again. They might have it again. I actually at this point now would love to see a a rematch again. I I I just got to see if McDavid and Dry Cidle can beat the [ __ ] the Florida Panthers. This it would be I think it would garner it. I think it would be great for ratings.

48:42 Oh yeah, that's that to me is is is where it's at. But uh let's hope the Leafs have something to do with it. Um the the uh you you did mention the Crosby take about how he doesn't have the same speed as he once did, but how well he's been able to transform his game, which I think is one of the the more underappreciated things about him, like how he's how he finds ways to exploit the game. He's around the net doing those tip plays like and just how he's he I compare him to the Tom Brady because it's like when you play quarterback, it's like he cracked the code. He's seen every single defense in the formation and nothing coming at him is a surprise. And that's just where Sid is right now. He's playing with the house's money and that's why I agree. I think he's hitting 2,000 points and I think he's playing in another Olympics.

49:28 So that's uh that's a remarkable thing about and and like when Sid came in Keith before you go he the way you see McDavid dart through the middle now and the speed that nobody could comprehend. That was Sid at the beginning.

49:41 He did the same exact thing. It was speed that nobody had ever seen before with the puck. So, he had that.

49:48 Yeah. I I was just going to say his adaptability, the way to, you know, when he first came in the league, it was still like that tail end of the clutch and grab like he was playing against mutant demons like prong the prongers of the world. The you know, like you can go

50:04 Darren Hatcher was in Philly. Hatch. Yeah, exactly. Playing against him 15 times a year. And then to play, you know, when the game's gotten faster and he's gotten older and still being able to dominate the way that he does, like he's just the poster child of the NHL the last 20 years of what he's been able to do. He's put the league him and Obie put the league on their back when it was in dark times for a few years when we were on the ON. And now look at us. It's it's it's unreal what they've done for the game. And um in Buffalo, lucky enough before last episode, the news broke, Kevin Adams was out. Yarmmo comes in and well, he'd been there, but he gets it he gets the GM role. Um I he spoke to the media for 20 minutes. It was actually after Pagoula spoke to the media. Pagula took no questions. Um he hasn't taken a question from reporters since 2020, which I found kind of interesting. I love that move.

50:56 It's just like if I was a Billy, I wouldn't either. I'm the owner. I'm the owner. I I can hire 4,000 different people if I want to. I ain't ever taking your question. They make the playoffs.

51:08 Yeah, it's it's Oh, the whole media outlets there masks on and he Yeah, legit. But he'll, you know, they'll clinch the playoffs at some point, Buffalo, you will. And he'll be like, uh, question and answer with Terry Pagula tomorrow at uh 3 p.m. at the arena. But um I didn't know Kekalion's the first GM he's hired who was a GM previously.

51:32 Kind of crazy cuz I think all the guy you know BL was assistant GM and all that. So all right I'm going to go with the guy who's done this before. Ke sto spoke for about 20 minutes. He some of the quotes that stood out was we can make the playoffs this year. I mean what else are you going to say? I mean I don't necessarily agree with you Yarmmo but he believes in that. And he said like I am looking at everyone. I'm not willing to commit to the coach. I'm not willing to commit to to players. We have some great people in here who are awesome at their job, but everyone is under the microscope. And in terms of Alex Tuck, we have to have a number that works for both of us. I want to resign him. He's a great player. Grenelli wrote on the outline, gee, you can hop on that you read that reportedly Kevin Adams

52:15 leaked. I don't know. I don't know. Where are you seeing that, bro? That was like Sabers report. It's like a It's a pretty credible Sabres B like blonde.

52:22 So, Sabres report whoever they are are saying that Kevin Adams told people that Alex Tuck is asking for more than Adrien Kempe

52:31 around the Adrien Kempe number and and once again like I we can't confirm or deny that I feel like the guy just lost his job and he's been through the meat grinder. So, I I and and we did talk about the fact that sometimes when you have an owner who's hands-on, it's it's not free reign, right? you have to okay a lot of things through him. So, and and probably a reason why he'd never hired a GM who'd had experience before. All of a sudden, he gets to be the puppet master, right? So, I mean, the guy won't even ask her answer questions for Christ's sake. So, I don't know what type of truth there is to that. Now, on the flip side, I respect Alex Tuck and and his abilities as a player. Do there isn't a lot of great free agents. Do you see him getting in the 11 range?

53:14 So, what did Kemp Kempy got 11 or 10? got 10 six or something like that. But still, if he's looking for a little bit more of a bump, let's just assume the number's 11.

53:22 Is that a Is that a five year deal? Is that an 8year deal? Like, what does that look like?

53:28 Maybe to stay in Buffalo, give him the 10, 11, but elsewhere I'd see it a little lower around the nine range. But

53:35 I love the player. Um 29, he'll be turning 30 in. He'll be he'll be turning 30 before the season starts of of this monster deal he's going to get. I don't mind giving him 10 um on a shorter term, right? Like I I if somebody's given him eight years at at 10, like I don't know how that's going to translate. Looking at his numbers, I mean last year had 36 goals, 67 points. This year he's at 28 points, 31 games, 11 goals. Awesome player. I would love him on the Oilers. The Wild fans would love him on the Wild. Everyone wants him this spring.

54:10 That that's a big big ticket for a guy who's just based on stats and age going to regress a little bit over the course of that contract. So if it's four or five years and he's able to get 50 million, does he want way more term? A lot of times player players do want the term I don't know though.

54:29 And does he feel like he could be part of the solution in Buffalo? Which going back to what you said about Kekalinan's comments, like I in in last pod I I mentioned like [ __ ] it's kind of ugly if if it continues the way it's been going, you know, maybe trade off some of these guys. I'm totally fine with them keeping the some of the core that they have there.

54:48 He's one of the guys I would want to keep that way. I would keep Tuck. I would keep Dalene, although I want him in Toronto. Uh Tae Thompson, who's on a ridiculous contract for the next how many ever years. uh Don like they have uh I don't mind that Benson kid they probably have about six seven maybe stretch it to eight pieces that I think are are a good solid foundation to create that core and build around but we've been sitting here talking about that for a long time. So at what point is is there a a type of major change? Who knows what we'll see the rest of the season? They have been on a bit of a heater since we said that there's 000.0% 0% chance that they're making playoffs. You just never know.

55:32 But let's hope they're at least fighting till the end here and they're relevant enough to to be in the conversation for the fans of Buffalo. But uh I'm I'm going to take my comments away of trading some of those guys.

55:44 Yeah. I mean, you got to start somewhere, right? like you the guys you name if you look at any team's roster and you have you know four legitimate NHL stars like they do like they I mean stars might be a little stretch but like they got legit unreal players like you have to start somewhere they've done the hey let's get rid of guys those guys go on win championships they have to build within you got to keep guys and you got to bring other guys in obviously drafting well like you got to hit home runs on your draft and it I don't know man it's Dark dark times there and you wanted like we said last podcast we wanted to be good there just as much as the people of Buffalo.

56:22 Yeah. Yeah. No doubt. Um so you're going to see some some some action there and John Buchrass is teasing tors towards the Buffalo. I texted a uh a buddy that's still playing and um well he actually asked me who was Biz saying in the text about who he heard might get the job and I mentioned it and then I was like I mentioned maybe Tors and people have been saying that and the guy said we need Tors back in this league. So I kind of found that interesting. Guys never played for him but uh that that cracked me up. And I should have mentioned also this is off of Buffalo when we were talking Pittsburgh Biz. I know you're into uh you know investment and you're big into real estate. Um how's the ROI which is uh return on investment

57:09 for spending $900 million on the Penguins 5 years ago and selling them for 1.8 billion.

57:17 I was I was shocked at that that that is the lift that they made but a really intelligent time to buy. And then you look at where franchise values are at where I think that the NHL is not budging on their price of 2 billion to to start uh a new team like a new franchise. So what a what a [ __ ] job by them to turn things around. It was a little shaky there at the beginning. Heard there was uh there was rumblings that they weren't paying Mario all that he was deserved off the hop. Like I was hearing some pretty weird [ __ ] that was going on. But it was nice to see that they've completely write the shift.

57:53 They've done right by everybody. They've got the good people in place that are there now. They're winning some games, blowing some definitely blowing some leads, but uh all things are systems go there on for the sale of of $1.7 billion. So, wow. Unbelievable.

58:11 Smart move to smart move to sell it now, too. Cuz I mean, realistically, what if you get five more years of Sid? like you saw how it was after Mario when Mario was going to leave like it kind of went down a little bit. So, it's a great move by selling it and in getting that ROI.

58:27 I agree. I don't think that there's I don't think there's going to be as big of a nut uh moving forward on these franchises. I think that too much has to go involved in in real estate plays in order to develop the whole rink out. You got to do all the condos around it. So, I don't know how many more opportunities there are to squeeze that type of lift off these teams. So, uh, good for them. Good for them to do that.

58:50 Yeah, it's the rich get richer. Yeah. Dave David Hoffman, the Hoffman family. So, yeah. I I

58:57 I wonder then all of a sudden though, you look at like everyone's contract there like like Dubis, like it's not

59:03 it's not the owner that hired you, right? Like that's that's a little bit similar to Kekalion and saying everyone's under the microscope. New owner can bring in whoever the hell he wants. But

59:13 I think you talk to Penguins fans right now, they're pretty happy with Dubis. They love they loved what they got back in in in getting rid of

59:18 Yeah. He's in the content game. Yeah. Exactly. What's not to love? Ex. Exactly. So, the big trade from Minnesota to Vancouver with Quinn Hughes going to Minnie and Zeve Bouam and Ogrren and all the pieces going back to Van. So far, Minnesota, the power play with with Hughes is a joke. I saw the Kachchuck brothers their podcast and they were just calling him the best sifter. He had the best sifter in the league. People don't know that's just like you don't need a cannon. Literally get your shot about 18 to 24 in off the ice past the first guy and then it's a straight up dream scenario for the guy in front because it's not going that fast and it's coming in at the perfect height to tip. And that's what Brady said. Quinn Hughes is the master of that. And obviously Mar's so good at that too. It's always a snapshot, but um in what Zeve buy looked like against New Jersey, it's a lot of excitement for the

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1:02:13 Zeve, what up? Zeve, what's up, buddy? Where are you at right now? Uh we're uh we're playing the Islanders tomorrow, so the Garden City Hotel. Oh, had a lot of great nights at the Garden City.

1:02:24 First off, um you know, like congratulations on that first game. Dominant out there. Pretty sick to get a point that quick, but take us through the the reaction, right? I know you were driving to go watch Denver play and and and give us the the breakdown of kind of the call with Billy G and your thoughts after.

1:02:41 Yeah, it was crazy. obviously um a little bit of a surprise and um and when Billy called me actually originally I thought he was sending me down cuz I I mean I had talked to Billy in a while and then he was like hey I got bad news and like no trade or anything had ever gone through like that wasn't going through my head I was like oh god I'm about to get sent down but uh yeah no I mean obviously um you know tough phone call and um I mean I think you know when you get when you get drafted and and everything, you you you know, you think you're going to be in that place forever and um you buy into to everything and the culture and um you know, wanting to win there and um you know, kind of got to see the business side of it pretty quickly. So, um it was obviously crazy and you know didn't really know how to feel at first with just um you know with all the news but um very you know excited for the

1:03:39 opportunity here with the Canucks and um you know I think there's you know there's opportunity for me and um you know it's going to be kind of cool to see this team grow and obviously um you know really thankful for for everything Minnesota did. I know it was a short period of time, but um you know, kind of kickstarted my NHL career and um yeah, I mean, I couldn't be more thankful for Billy and and everybody there. I think you know, like I said, a short period of time. Had friends for a lifetime. Um and you know, like I said, couldn't thank Billy enough for everything.

1:04:11 How long does a a like a phone call like that take? Like are you able to share with what he said? And like it's just got to be so hard. You're you were such a stud that he drafted and he was probably so excited about it. you know, I don't think I'll share it all, but I think um you know, I think he he was very honest and um you know, told me was a it's a hard call to make. And I mean, yeah, I think we both like he he was so great to me through everything, not just hockey-wise, but off this he was great to my family. And um you know, like I said, he was just he was just unbelievable to to me throughout the entire time. And um I I understood right away though. you know, I'm like, it's Quinn Hughes, you know, it's like, you got to take a chance on this guy. They want to win now. They, you know, they have a vision and um I respect it, you know, like there's no I'm not like sitting here all like pouty or anything

1:05:04 like it's it's, you know, it's a business at the end of the day. And um you have to do what what you feel is best for the team. And um I guess, you know, I feel like I I'm understanding of that for sure.

1:05:15 Zeve, uh first off, happy Hanukkah. Hope you're uh enjoying the first couple days of it. But it going back to the the trade too, like for you going to Vancouver, like now you're the guy, right? Like in in Minnesota, you're young. Faber's been there a little bit. Uh you're not playing, you know, top power play and stuff like that. Then you go to a team where you're going to be the guy there for a long time and you get traded for one of the best defenseman in the game. So even mentally for you, like that must have been like, "Okay, this team really wants me. They got rid of one of these guys. Like I'm going to go there. I got a little bit of a chip on my shoulder and I'm going to go there and show what I have and and bring your game to Vancouver.

1:05:52 Yeah. Uh for sure. I mean, I think um you know, you kind of said it best like uh you know, you don't want necessarily want to get traded, but I think when you get traded for a guy like Quinn and you're the only D in it, it's like um you know, you kind of look at the bigger picture of it going, okay, maybe you know, I can come here and be that guy and and um you know, bring that bring that element to it. And you know, I believe in myself. I'm confident in myself that I can be that and um you know, work toward that. But um yeah, I mean, I think that's that's the cool part is is kind of like like you said, I mean Minnesota, you have so many great Broadd, Spurgeon, you know, Faber, it's like they're they're so good and it's like there wasn't really much room for me to like do the things I want to do necessarily.

1:06:38 I think, you know, not playing those big minutes, um, you know, getting taken off the power play here and there, it's like there's a lot, you know, that I think that, um, like I said, I think it's just different, too. Like Minnesota is a very veteran team. like when now there's not a lot of little detail things that uh you know you might be going like like even here with with Vancouver there's a lot of you know we're such a young team so it's like there's so many little things that we go over as a team and as a group of young guys and it's like um you know we weren't doing those things in Minnesota just cuz it's like I said it's a veteran team and and these guys had been through it already. So um I think it's it's like I said it's a great opportunity for me. Um very excited.

1:07:21 Yeah, I know. I mean, we were in Vancouver a couple weeks ago and it's beautiful city. So, um, you know, like I said, it's not easy and it's not uh, you know, it was a little bit of a whirlwind, but um, the guys here have been great, too. So, I'm just excited.

1:07:36 Biz, when you asked him uh how long the conversation was when when I got traded by the the meanest man in hockey, Bob Murray from Z from Anaheim, Edmonton, he called me. I go, "Hello." He goes, "Hey, uh, Ryan, it's Bob Murray. I traded you. I go where? He goes, "Edmon." I go, "Bye." And he and he hung up. It was legitimately 7 seconds. I don't think it was like Billy G telling you, "Dude, you're going to be one of the best defenseman in the league. We had to do this." But, uh, Zeve, one thing about like, and I was traded twice. Um,

1:08:07 and you're, you know, the shock and like maybe the disappointment, but then after the first game, it's like it's kind of like over with. for you. You played so well. By the time you're showering up and getting dressed in Jersey, like you must have been like, "All right, like I'm I [ __ ] played a ton. I played well." Like right away, it's pretty quick for how excited you are for the next spot, right?

1:08:27 Yeah, 100%. I think I mean it makes it easier that um the game went well. Obviously, I mean got a little bit of a lucky bounce on my goal, but um

1:08:36 they all count. Yeah, they they don't they don't ask no matter. You don't need Canucks Twitter getting on you early. Jesus Christ. Yeah, but it's been it's good. I mean, I think Yeah, for sure. After the first game, it was nice to to kind of get that under and even last game getting another win. It's like it's nice. So, um it's been it's been easy, you know, transition. I mean, I think, you know, for me, the way I look at it is like um you know, Billy again, Billy had to do what he had to do. and um for me it's it's looking forward and um you know focusing on this opportunity and um you know just just just really appreciating that uh you know I get to be here and and do this and um you know try to become you know a part of this this rebuild. Zeve, I think the first time we talked to you was just after you'd been drafted and and we knew you're going to be a special player just from talking to

1:09:29 you and and how obsessed you are with the game and and how much you're going to put into it. Now, one of the things uh I noticed and I read was when you moved on, you took the number 24 to show respect to bean who is probably your mentor while you were in Minnesota. Maybe just talk about that. You talked about the veteran group. Like talk about what they meant to you and what I guess they instilled and and taught you early in your NHL career only playing like 30 games.

1:09:55 Yeah, they were phenomenal. I mean, it it's such a great group over there. Like they're they're seriously one of a kind. I think you hear that a lot about like Minnesota is like their their culture and the veteran group and and how great they are. And they really are. Like even from the playoffs last year, like you just come in, you can be yourself and they don't care. um you know that you're 19 years old or 20 years old like they just want you to be a part of it and um I mean it's just amazing like every single guy there you know wants to be your best friend they want to help you in any way possible I think you know with Bogo me and Bogo got really really close I think through that time I mean he's he's one of a kind he's such a special human uh he's just a fun guy like he he's such like a you know he's what is he 35 36 he's he's played you know my I was telling told my dad that he played for, you know, Atlanta when he

1:10:47 first game. My dad was baffled that he played for a team that's not even a team anymore. Um so like it it's just it's crazy how long he's been in the league and um you know what he's been able to do and you see why you know he has so much respect around the league just through guys just because of the person he is and um I mean he took me under his wing you know always invited me to his house for dinner and uh just never treated me like you know I'm this young guy that needs to figure it out. It's like just just treated me as one of the guys and um you know wanted me to be a part of it and wanted not wanted me to not miss out on anything cuz I think you know he knows that at the end of the day you'll remember the stories and and the good times and the laughs uh you know over any any hockey games unless you really won a cup. So it's like um you know I really appreciate him for for all that.

1:11:36 But then you also have, you know, like Bolds and Fabes and um, you know, like Hartman. Like you have so many of these guys and Felino and Spurgeon. Like it's just such a it's like such a great group. And I think that was the hardest part when Billy called me was like, you know, I think that like that was the the hardest thing to kind of reflect on. I was like, God, like I'm going to miss those guys. You know, I know it was quick, but it's like the fact that it was that quick and and you get that close with with those guys. It's like um you know, it hurts. But, uh, like I said, I mean, I think, you know, those guys I'll I'll be friends with for forever and, um, yeah, I mean, just just really lucky to to be able to meet all of them and and play with them and, um, you know, get to to call them friends for life.

1:12:19 I read that, um, the media was asking Connor Garland about you. Uh, and he was just raving like going back to Worlds. I got a kick out of, uh, he said at Worlds that that before the gold medal game, you're like, "Yeah, we'll win." And I guess and and he kind of described it like, "Yeah, he's won under 17, under 18, two world juniors, national championship." Like he literally has won everything. I've never won anything. And and and apparently I think your dad was also saying like, "Yeah, they'll win." Like that's pretty sick. You were that confident going into that game.

1:12:51 Yeah. I don't know if I I think I saw that, too. I don't know if I was as arrogant as that, saying, "No, I got five."

1:12:56 No, it sounds It sounds If you read it, it does. But knowing you, I I I think we all know you didn't mean it like that. It was just

1:13:04 talk it into existence, right, Zeve? Yeah. Manifesting. Yeah. I believe in it. I believe I think if you I I I've always had this, you know, like belief about like if you genuinely believe it could happen, it will happen. And you know, you can't be delusional like if you're, you know, whatever. But like I've always just believe like if you if you have the team, you have a group to do it and and you believe in it, it'll happen. I think like that's that's what it comes down to is is having that belief and um you know like I was fortunate enough especially at Worlds like it just we had you know Smitty too like we just we had gone through through all these these IHF tournaments and everything we just would win it would just happen like and so like I we genuinely just were like we're going to win

1:13:52 me and Smitty were joking around like Billy needs to stick us in the Olympic team so we can

1:13:58 Damn right. Yeah, these hoes ain't loyal. Um, how how uh how sick is it though you get to go over and get coached by Adam Foot? Like he was [ __ ] a machine back in the day. Uh top tier defenseman. So like what's your communication been with like him early on and and just how cool is it the fact that he's your head coach?

1:14:16 It's awesome. Yeah, I mean I think you I mean you said it like he he had such an amazing career and um he just has so much I actually got to work with him when I was really young. I was like 13. And um and he uh just he just taught me so many little things that actually um you know have stuck with me through through you know up until this point. And um I actually worked with him again before my freshman year at Denver. And um so I I've known him for for quite some time now. And uh it's just it's really cool to to be able to be coached by him. and um just like his demeanor and how he goes about things and uh you know he wants what's best for the team but also what's best for you and he wants to teach you and um you know help you understand the game. It's like these little details that uh I feel like as a head coach you might not always be sharing with your team but he he does you know he wants everyone to to play

1:15:08 with these little details and have these things. Doesn't matter if you're you know a guy who's playing league for 10 years or if it's your first year. So, I think that's that's pretty cool. And uh for me, I think that's perfect cuz, you know, I want I want to become, you know, that two-way. I don't want to just be an offensive guy or, you know, one way, you know, defenseman. It's like you want to be out there not just last minute offensively, but defensively. And, um, you know, I think he he, you know, will will help me a ton with that and, um, you know, get me there. Who's kind of I know it's been a couple days since you've been there, but who's kind of that one guy that you didn't realize had the you know the gift that he has on the ice. You know, I remember being traded and it a guy like Derek Steppon who I know worked with you in Minnesota. He was kind of one of those guys when I first got there when I went to New York.

1:15:57 I was like, "This guy's hockey IQ is off the charts." Like just little things that blow you away. Has anyone done that to you yet? Yeah, I mean I think um yeah, I think I I think Garland was actually somebody um you know at Worlds that I just didn't know was that good. Uh and even just last last two games in practice here like he just does little things that are you know that are are pretty pretty like you just never notice if you didn't play with him. And I think someone else is like heronic. Like I just didn't realize how much of a tank he was. Like this guy's a horse

1:16:28 cannon too. He's got a bomb. He's got a can. That was where I was asking him how to take a one-timer cuz I was like, "How do you shoot?"

1:16:34 I saw that video. Yeah. I Well, I was like, I got I got to work on it. So, I'm like asking him like what, you know, what does he do? And so, last, you know, couple practices we've been working on it after. But, it's like it's just it's not even that, but it's like even in the games like he'll he'll just he's just a horse. Like he I mean, I think the one in New Jersey, he was out there the last like five minutes of the game. I don't think he changed. Just a beast. It's like I didn't even like but it's like you don't even like he it was like like Fabes was like that too like he's just like a horse like these guys can just like and it's not like they get tired either. It's like they just work and work and work and it's like they look like they never get tired.

1:17:13 I was able to go to the to the Frozen 4 and watch you win a national championship and it was G and and uh Yans and Whit who were raving about you before I'd even seen you play live and you were so dominant. you end up going to at the end of last year to Minnesota to get your playoff experience and then you get the start of this year. What's been like the hardest part about adapting to the NHL? Like obviously it's you know it's it's a difficult league and you can't maybe dominate like you did in college stepping in, but what are the things you've taken away early on that you're like whoa. Yeah. I mean, I think last year in the playoffs, um, I mean, you just see the difference in like like it was it was crazy like the these everything is so to me it was like everything's so tight. Like no one messes up. Everybody's in the right position. Everybody, you know, is great with their sticks. Like it it's so hard

1:18:04 to find space. Um, and I think that was like the biggest thing. And then also like this was this was great. Like I didn't even like I feel like when you get hemmed in in college or something or like you you know you're tired or you have a long shift and and you know guys are doubling up like you can kind of get away with like oh we'll be fine you know like now it's you get hemmed in like you're

1:18:24 oh [ __ ] it it's the worst thing ever. Yeah. We iced the puck one time in Chicago and I was stuck in the Dzone which I would never put on for Dzone draws from by Dave Tippet and then they throw over Kane and Taves buddy. They put Fizz is out there. Go.

1:18:41 They [ __ ] I was too many crawling on the ice to the bench like it was [ __ ] like I had six platoon out there trying to [ __ ] murder us.

1:18:51 I heard him yelling too many men. Too many men. I'm like no Biz. They have five. We have five. [ __ ] they're better than you.

1:18:59 I had [ __ ] flares. I was taking out flares, shooting flares on the ice. I got to shout out uh Rollback. Last question. Not necessarily the last question, but right now, use code chicklets on.com for a generous 20% off your first purchase through the end of the week. C H I CL Ts on Rh-C.com. 20% off polo, shorts, swim trunks, and more with code chicklets. I think come 2030 um you're going to be playing in the Olympics, but it's nice. I remember uh a nice trip with a bunch of days off. Did you have something planned with the mini boys? Will you still do that? Like what what was your plan for uh Olympic break?

1:19:38 Usually like there was a group I think obviously Bolds and Fabes are usually in that group. So it's like um you know they weren't they're obviously going to be at the Olympics. So um but yeah, I mean there was little talks. I mean there wasn't really anything set or figured out. Oh, that's good then.

1:19:54 Yeah, that was a good part. I mean, if anything, probably Bogle, a couple other guys, but um yeah, I don't know. I don't really have anything planned. I mean, just just chill. Take some time off for sure.

1:20:05 Can I give you some advice? Careful going on vacation. Yeah. Be careful here. Don't go to Cabo and don't trust uh uh little Mexicans on the beach when they say you want to fly to the moon cuz you're not actually going to fly to the moon. It's not like Bezos on his little ship there.

1:20:21 You're going to be You're going to be projectile vomiting in your hotel room and staying a day later than you have to because the ecstasy they gave you was an ecstasy.

1:20:30 So that would just be my just uh good advice. Oh yeah, that's a great advice right there. That's what Adam Foot was hoping Biz would tell you.

1:20:41 Yeah. Well, he's teaching them probably how to stick guys in the nuts in front of the net so they don't go to the blue paint. Like what are some of these little details of the game? He's teaching you to butt end a guy in the [ __ ] ribs if you come near his goalie.

1:20:53 Yeah, pretty much. But it's a lot like uh like he used to I remember like when I was 13, he always tell me like you got to be like a cat. Like you got to be like a cat out there. Like you always got to be like on your toes was in position uh you know kind of ready to to pounce on anything. And like he'll he's big on like stunts like you know like if when a guy go passes it like give him like a shot you know like doesn't matter where you are like you know especially in the diesel like if a guy makes a pass or whatever it is like get in front of him give him a shot like you know let him know you're there early and um you know it's it's it's hard to do like there's so many times in a game where uh you know I can you know you can easily give someone a shot but it's like you might forget or you're you know tired or whatever it is. But it's like doing these little things just set you up for success like later on in your shift or

1:21:42 um you know you might you know you might stunt the guy or whatever and then all of a sudden next thing you know you know the puck's coming toward you and because you got in front of him early now you can get it instead of him. Like it's like just little things. I mean obviously been only a couple days but um like I said just a lot of knowledge and um so much that you know especially he was you know a defenseman so it's like there's so many little things you can learn from him um you know in that sense where you know he might not be able to teach the forwards the same thing he can teach the D.

1:22:13 Have you had any guys like uh Brad Marawn or anybody chirp you like has anybody laid into you yet where you're you're skating with your tail between your legs going to the bench?

1:22:23 Not yet. Knocking wood, no, not yet. Okay. The guys are actually a lot nicer than than I thought. Like there's a lot of like conversation that happens on the ice that like

1:22:32 it's just like Oh, yeah. tummy sticks. Yeah. Like tummy sticks a little bit. Yeah.

1:22:37 Okay. Good to know. That's what I lived for. Yeah. There's a lot of it. And I was I was shocked. I was not expected to uh be like But I've also like when I like in mini like like if if someone you know got in my face like Bogo would just step in front of them and they'd skate away.

1:22:53 the sheriff. I'd always like with I'd always joke with Bogos, "Hey, I could have taken them."

1:22:58 Yeah, they got it. I had a coach, I can't remember, used to be like, "You cutting [ __ ] deals out there? You cutting deals?" I'm like, "Yeah, you're [ __ ] right. I'm cutting deals out there.

1:23:09 I'm trying to." Tip would get mad if you were playing tummy sticks pregame. Like, I had a lot of coaches like I would I learned that pretty early in my career. Like don't be [ __ ] chumming it up with guys at faceoffs and stuff. Especially for how my game was too. Yans, you were in a bit of a different bracket when you're like the offensive guy. Like you could be playing like you and Hazy were basically jerking each other off at faceoff draws when you guys were playing against each other. Um

1:23:35 hey, uh it's crazy that you would only be a junior and and it's wild. How's Denver doing? And we actually just interviewed um Guy Guidowski, the coach at Penn State. He brought up this uh pole camp, that Dman pole camp.

1:23:50 Pretty nice player, huh? But how the boys doing? Like you must stay in touch with all those guys.

1:23:54 Yeah, I do. They're doing good. Um I mean I always say like Denver's it's the same every year. Like everyone always thinks we're not going to be good. We're not going to have a good team and then we end up making the Frozen Four. It happens every year. Like everyone

1:24:08 and then it happens. Yeah. And I and I always say like when when when you get to be like when you get to be coached by by David Carl like you always have a chance to win. Like that guy he's a special coach. So it's like I mean in pole camp Oh that's awesome. I mean he's he is that guy is he is such a funny like he's a clown like

1:24:29 really nice player though, huh? Yeah. Oh my his shot is like a million miles an hour.

1:24:34 Okay. So why didn't you ask him how to do it and wait for heronic? Jesus. Should have asked the the freshman last year cuz PC cam doesn't always do it. He's just so strong and just rips it.

1:24:44 Just a mutant. I want to know who who uh so far have you noticed who's the the the the clown jester? The jester in the locker room in Vancouver? Who's making you laugh the most? Who's doing the helicopter [ __ ] to get the boys fired up in the locker room? Like who's the guy?

1:24:58 I mean Caner's pretty funny. What's he saying? Driving it in in Bentleys. He's good. He's funny. Uh I mean Garland's obviously really funny, too. Uh, I don't know. I don't think I've been here like long enough to to kind of to know for sure, but I mean Ker is always saying something.

1:25:17 Do you even have a roommate or is there not enough young guys? No, we don't. We don't. We We have a bunch of young guys. We don't have a roommate now.

1:25:24 What's the story with the yo-yo on that group chat? What's that [ __ ] Boo. We uh My birthday was in Seattle and uh I'm like, you know what would be sick? Like if we if we like if there was like a magic store and we're like walking around Seattle and my god bo I've never met anyone who hates the city more than bogo. He hates Seattle.

1:25:46 It's a depressing [ __ ] I mean look look at him. He's like if he could take if he could take a [ __ ] on the city, he would.

1:25:53 Everyone else does it there anyways. Oh my god. But anyway, we're walking around. There's And Bo was like, "Holy [ __ ] there's a magic store." And I was like, "All right." We walk in there and I was like, "I got to get something." And there was uh like this little [ __ ] yo-yo and then but was like, "Oh yeah, I used to play a little I used to mess around with the yo-yo." He starts doing all these crazy tricks. I'm like, "What?" Like, "What did this guy not do?" So then he ordered like these like super like bougie nice yo-yos.

1:26:21 And I don't know if he sent you a photo, but he came with he got them and it came with a glove. It was like we were like uh we were like five yo-yos for some of the boys.

1:26:30 You better send you one. All right, buddy. Good luck. You're the man. Sounds scared. Yeah.

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1:27:22 So, the Flyers, Zegris, Zegris is money this year. He's been phenomenal. They got a big win in uh Montreal earlier this week. Fowler started. He had a tough giveaway behind the net. They they won that game on the road. Now they got Vancouver and Steve Buouam. That's exciting. Now Vancouver to watch them and to see how much he's going to play. I'm very excited for that. But the Flyers have surprised me. They really have Biz. I didn't I thought they were a bottom five team in the league. And what has talk done?

1:27:51 They're fighting Rick Tockets. Unbelievable. And the fact he gets to play against his old team on prime time Amazon hockey, baby, that's awesome.

1:28:00 Um, you know, a lot of good memories there. Won his first Jack Adams. He's a [ __ ] Hall of Famer. You got to put him in the Hall of Fame for the full body of work. But, uh, yeah, interested to watch Z Buum and see how he progresses and and continues to help this young Kuck team along. And like you said, man, I think that the Flyers as they continue like their top three biggest surprises in the league this year. I would say throw the Islanders in the mix, throw the Flyers in the mix, and who else would be your your your other other team? Would you say

1:28:29 Bruins? Maybe. Bruins. Bruins. Bruins. So, but we honestly, you didn't ex like people didn't expect it, but us knowing talk and the way that he is and the way that he bleeds that black and orange, like you could you you knew they were going to have a good turnaround. you knew the guys were going to buy into whatever he says cuz at the end of the g the day the guy did it at in an incredible level for so many years with that jersey on and his word there goes a long way.

1:28:56 Oh buddy the not only bringing the nostalgia back from the old days but yeah there's no [ __ ] around there's no we talked earlier about the or actually the interview's coming up because we had to pre-record it but the gray area like we talked about with with Hitch. There ain't no [ __ ] gray area with talking man. He's he's in he's imposing those defensive systems. You're going to check you're going to play with pace and it's awesome to see what he's done with Ziggress, man. Like I'm I'm happy for that kid. I know we're going to get him on in the next couple weeks.

1:29:25 I think we've uh we've put the request in, but there were some dark days for him going from that contract negotiation to not playing much to not getting along with his coach out in Anaheim, the one who had the high blood pressure who they got rid of. But it's it's great to see what he's doing now.

1:29:40 Yeah. Over a point per game. And G said, "Hey, uh, I'm talking to Flyers. Who do you want to interview?" I said, "Well, I said Jonesy." I said, "We got to chat with Zris. We haven't seen him in forever." And then Couturier Connectne and then Delore' be fun to interview, I think. So, hopefully we got some Flyers content coming up soon. But another guy that's doing well in the state of Pennsylvania is the head coach of the Penn State hockey team, uh, Gavin McKenna's team, Guy Gdowski. Guys, real quick before we send it over to uh Guy Gdowski, we do have a little announcement we got to make. We are going to be at the Penn State Michigan State outdoor game at Beaver Stadium at the end of January. So, very excited. We have a ton of stuff planned. I think we're planning a potential little party.

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1:31:34 shoe of the NHL. Welcome now in a very special guest. He's been on game notes, but it was our turn to get Penn State head coach Guy Gowski. What's going on, Guy? How you doing?

1:31:50 I'm doing well. Thanks for having me. How are you guys? Oh, we're doing phenomenal. We're doing great. It's good to catch up with you and get to chat. Biz has something quick I can tell.

1:31:58 I got to know. Did you Did you put your teeth in for the game notes interview or did you take your teeth out for that one as well

1:32:03 for the game? I You know what it whenever John says that I can take them out? I do because I sound I lisp with them in. So this is the one he said. Hey, it's spitting tricklets. This is the one you definitely can take off.

1:32:14 That's true. Great call. You know you're big time when you have a teeth guy as an assistant who tells you when you

1:32:20 Does he hold it? Does he hold the the the flipper? He he will now. Why haven't you gotten the permanence in? Just cuz in practice you might catch one.

1:32:30 No, because when it happened, three of them got compromised. Two are finally out. One was out for a while, the other fell out years later and there's still one. So when that one's gone, then I'll do it.

1:32:42 I feel like that helps in recruiting though. Like you meet a big time recruit, it's like, "Hey, look at me, buddy. I'm a hockey guy."

1:32:49 It depends on the recruit. But yeah, could work. It's like tough when the the parents cook at corn of the cob though when you're over there recruiting. You're like, "Oh [ __ ] we're we're really in one now." But I I would imagine it's pretty good during uh maybe meetings with the players. Maybe not enough back checks going on. You take them out and you really lay into them and all of a sudden they're they pucker up and they're like, "We better listen to this guy."

1:33:10 Maybe. But not great for team dinners either for your first point. But that's awesome. So, uh gdown so far of this season. I want to go back into like the program beginning and I think it's 12 13 years at this point and what you've built is special and and I think being at a at a place like Penn State with that many students and that many alumni and the rink you have it's it it was a it was a no-brainer and at some point you guys are going to become very good. But so far this year, what do you think cuz big expectations coming into this year?

1:33:41 Yeah, it's been a lot of fun. specifically because we went to the Frozen 4 last year. So, this was a really an exciting year for for everybody in Penn State. And when you said, yeah, like it was I'm along for the ride, believe me. Like this Penn State thing is is a little different when it comes to support and resources and and the alumni getting behind you. So, from day one, you know, Mr. Pagoula, he was I mean, it's we're here because of him. Um he was the one that donated the money and really was the the catalyst for us going D1. But ever since it happened like what is it 14 years ago now I mean just every Penn Stater has been so supportive and our like the student body is so supportive and so awesome. So it's been a blast and last year when we finally made the Frozen 4, you know, there's so many people that I so happy for because so many people work so hard to get it to this point and then

1:34:32 yeah, you make the Frozen Four, a couple other good things happen in terms of recruiting in the summer and and here we are. So this year, um, you know what, it's been interesting because we really haven't had to manage a buzz, uh, and distractions as we did this year. And, and so that's been an education for me, but the best teacher for that has actually been Gavin. Uh, he's been dealing with that since he's been very young. And the way he handles himself is just I think it's a great example for all of us. Is it a little overwhelming at maybe the media coverage just given the fact that he's joined the program?

1:35:07 Like how how have you guys balanced that or maybe there was the initial reaction and it's been pretty normal since then?

1:35:14 I mean, I wouldn't say it's overwhelming because I think that's a situation that everybody wants to be in and and this is Penn State. They're so successful in so many other things that I think you come to Penn State hoping that that you'll get that buzz, right? So, it's not overwhelming, but it it it is a bit of a distraction, a lot extra time that you don't necessarily anticipate. But, like I said, Gavin is he just handles everything so well and so chill that that you know, when once we understood once we learned from him how to do things, it's been all right.

1:35:44 And uh just going back to the you know, the support that you get. I know one of my good friends, Frank Marzano, he's a big uh guy the other day. They were saying that I was wondering was Yeah. They're like, you know,

1:35:55 they're trying to they're trying to change Yans's birth certificate and bring him back to play there. I know what you guys got going on.

1:36:01 No, but he literally he he called me when you guys when they opened up the doors from the CHL that and he's like who's a good young player and talking, you know, obviously G helped me out with some names and stuff, but just the alumni. Can you talk about the alumni there and what they what they provide for you guys? And obviously Mr. Pagoula. And my second question to that is, has Mr. Pagoula asked you to coach the Sabres yet? Well, that's the second one first. That's that answer is no. But Mr. Pagoula has been extremely supportive of our program obviously and he he's been tremendous. He's been everything. When you talk about the alumni, I mean, you you almost have to experience it because certainly when the announcement was made that Penn State was going D1 and and you sort of look at just how how what's Penn State like you you go to you see football games, wrestling, you name it.

1:36:51 Um, and it's unbelievable, but you have to be in it to feel it. I mean, the the supporters, the alumni here are absolutely the best. The absolute best, the most supportive. They just they love everything Penn State. They're very helpful. Uh, I tell you what, they've just been amazing. and and and it that's been one of the most gratifying I guess parts about this experience is just the support of the alumni and the student body has been off the charts.

1:37:18 Given Pagoula's uh intensity and love for for that hockey team yours, do you would you consider the Sabres maybe his like side chick at this point? Is maybe that's why?

1:37:28 No, I would not. No, I would not. Okay. All right. That's just maybe the way it looks right now anyway. Maybe you guys are getting a little too much attention and he needs to

1:37:38 Yeah. No, no comment. I knew that was a no comment coming. Smart man. I don't blame

1:37:44 you. This guy's media train. Let's get him off. But but Gad, I got a question. Like as a coach, right, you got 23 25 guys, whatever the roster is, and and you're trying to take care of everyone. You're trying to build a culture. You're trying to create every year is a new story in college hockey. But it's different this year, right? It's this generational talent and it's a kid that's coming in in McKenna that there's so many expectations and all of a sudden um and I won't say that I'm not guilty of it. It's like all right, he's not putting up two and a half points per game and and then the noise start and then there's draft rankings. How do you deal with him and maybe grab him or talk to him if you even do it all about like try to block out the noise a little bit considering it's your draft year and all these expectations you had?

1:38:28 Yeah. So, so first of all, regarding the expectations and and college hockey right now, this is a this is a unique year in college hockey because every other year up to this year, you look at the freshmen that are coming into college hockey. There's guys that played high school hockey, a lot of guys played prep school hockey, and then the rest played tier 2. And then this year, you have guys that have been playing four years in major junior that have been drafted. You have guys playing in Canadian University. You have guys that have actually played in the American Hockey League that are coming in as freshman, right? So, so this is by far the most experienced, mature college hockey year that's ever been.

1:39:06 So, so number one, you got to say that and and Gavin is 17. Um, but when you talk about, you know, the expectations, the buzz, honestly, he has been such a good example of how to deal with it. You asked how we deal with it. We watched him because I mean it was new to us and we're trying to like figure out and navigate and he comes in and the way he handles things he controls what he controls. Um he's very chill. He's extremely he's very much the team like he he's not he's very much comfortable with the team and about the team. He's not really comfortable about himself and and he's just really chill and he handles it really well. So I think it's like I said it's been a big help to all of us. Did you always know that you were going to be a coach eventually because you played at Colorado College from my understanding. Did you know after you played that you were going to hop into coaching? Was it always in you?

1:39:57 Um I mean my my whole family are teachers so I think that's sort of where it came from. And I just loved hockey. I just wanted to be a part of hockey so badly. And so you know when I when it became apparent that my my career was winding down I like I wanted to be a coach. So, I did all the, you know, certificates and coaching clinics and everything else to try to get into it. And I did. Uh, I was first coach. I was a player assistant for Royce Summer in in the East Coast League to start and then and then in the West Coast League, same thing. And then a head coach and went on. But it was something Yeah. I just want to be a part of hockey. If I'm in hockey, then I don't consider I'm going to work.

1:40:35 And also like how how has it been for you evolving as a coach? cuz we talk constantly about how you have to talk to these players now a day and and even like Rick Tocket, a guy who was so hardcore as a player and maybe the way that you know he he had Keenan, but he talked about in Vancouver how he has to massage these relationships constantly and make sure each guy is getting attention. So, have you felt that you've had to do that throughout the years and and how you've progressed as a coach?

1:41:02 Yeah, sure. There's a difference in how you know every generation is a little bit different. So yeah, you have to adjust your communication for sure. But I think it's good. I think it's it makes us learn. It makes you don't get stale, but at the same time, you know, you're successful because of your stripes. So as long as you don't you lose your stripes. I think you adjust to how you communicate and and you you want it, you know, sometimes it's different. How you get through to every player is different. So you're always trying to evolve and try and find ways to be more effective. And it's the same thing as you do with individual players is the same thing with, I guess, generations.

1:41:35 So yeah, we're learning. We're always learning. I hope so. Makes you better. And that they must help you, too. I mean, your son's on the team, so you know what the kids his age are, you know, at least going through and a lot different than the way that we came into the game. And I'm sure the way Whit came into college, like the times have definitely changed and I'm sure he's been able to help you with that.

1:41:56 Well, not really. We sort of have like not really. We sort of have a deal that like hockeyy's hockey and he's just he's just a player and then and then home is home and he's not a player. That's sort of the deal we have. And um actually he hasn't come home that much. My wife's a little disappointed. So it's so I probably have spoken to him less this year than I did even last year when he wasn't on the team because at least I'd call and ask him what's going on, but we don't we don't really talk team. So

1:42:27 I I I look through like your stats as a player, your hockey DB, and there was games in 9394. You played for the Canadian national team. Now that was the team, I believe, that was preparing and getting ready for the the Olympics in '94. I it was Canada who was playing Forsber when he pulled that legendary move that ended up on a stamp. So were you in the running to play for that Olympic team? Like how did that work out?

1:42:51 Yeah, I got cut before the before the Olympics. I got cut and then to like when Biz asked about coaching, I got cut and I went home. I'm like, that's it. I'm done. Like, I don't need this anymore. And I went home and I, you know, I went on job interviews and I interviewed like cops and firemen and lawyers and and I got offered a couple jobs and uh and I was sitting there thinking about what I you know, one job I had a deadline. I had to give them an answer Monday morning. So, I remember Sunday night going like, do am I going to do this or not? And I thought a lot about it and I was like, man, I need hockey. Like, I just need hockey. So, that was probably the time where I decided, man, I got to get back to hockey. So, I so I

1:43:32 I scrapped the job hunting and went back to to playing hockey. That's what happened.

1:43:37 Um, sticking with the international theme here, uh, something really cool that's happening for the first time and and G brought it up. My understanding is you're going to be coaching a team that's going over to the Spangler Cup,

1:43:49 which is is is a combination of all the top uh um US is it US born college players?

1:43:56 No, just college everybody. So, Canadians, US, we have Europeans. Yeah, it's a college select team.

1:44:02 Well, that's it. Is it under 20? Is it no under 20 kids though or is it anyone who's not world juniors? Basically,

1:44:09 anybody who's not world juniors. Uh, so we could take sophomores except we're trying to stay away from the freshman.

1:44:16 Um, because and a lot of those guys are going to be world junior select, but anybody else? Yeah. Regardless of the country of origin.

1:44:23 So, what do you what do you think about this and what an opportunity for you to go over there and I mean the the the building over there is iconic. So, it's got to be

1:44:33 No, the one in Gavos is No, no, I was kidding. I was kidding. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Okay. So, Well,

1:44:38 that's his sense of humor right there. Yeah. Be careful, buddy. He gets me every day.

1:44:43 Um, well, I'm I'm pumped about it. Like, not not personally, but for college hockey because look, like college hockey, this is great opportunity for college hockey in Europe and Canada. I mean, it's on on TV all over, I think, more than 20 countries and obviously in Canada. Uh, we've been we've Canadians grow up watching it during Christmas. So, it's very cool. But, I think it's a great opportunity to show how good college hockey is. I don't know what to expect. I mean, I know this is the first time this is happening, so we no one really knows what to expect, which makes it sort of even more cool. Obviously, there's a lot of pros uh that are that are extremely experienced. We're going to be a little different team, but it doesn't mean we can't just go. I mean, we're just going to go, man. We're just going to go. I think it's going to be a lot of fun, and and it's good for a lot of these guys.

1:45:31 It's good exposure for them, too. So, Guy, one of my all-time favorite movies is uh Blue Chips, and just it it just makes me think about the recruiting process for you. I just was wondering if you had any like cool stories where families, you know, break them down or or uh or a horrible story where something something crazy went wrong.

1:45:49 Y wants to know how many double wides you've bought. Well, now they can. Jeez. I'm not going to give you any like I can't I'm not going to give you a bad story. That's for sure. I think that when it comes to recruiting, look man, like it's you got to sell what you have and uh there's a lot of different ways to do that. And then when you bring people in, there's some families that are going to be absolutely blown away by tailgating at football. And there's going to be families that are blown away here at Pugle Ice Arena or with the weight room we have. And you just sort of have to find the niche. I think uh for us, we're a real competitive program and like to compete at different things like ping pong, you name it. I think Gavin

1:46:29 Oh, he's number one. Well, he is now. That pisses me off though. He caught him like John caught it at the bad time. I beat him. Yeah, he had I had a bad week. He had a good week.

1:46:39 Some guys get it all, eh? Yeah. It's unreal. I know. I know. So, that's like a That's a pyramid where you got to beat who you can only play who's above you, right?

1:46:48 You can challenge anybody on the board and if you win, you you you switch spots. If you lose, you move down. And in

1:46:56 below that is the minor. So everybody's either in the minors or in the top 10. But your

1:47:01 what you got to do, you got to bag skate Gavin. You got to bag skate him one day and then call him out and be like, "We're playing right now."

1:47:07 You know what exact practicing and then I'll be running around. He's like, "Hey, challenge. We got to play now." That's his deal. So I got to be a better GM when it comes to that. I think you're right.

1:47:20 What kind of player were you? A hockey player. Yeah. Not a very good one. Um, well, Bob Staer sent me the stats. [ __ ] doubleA. I think you're sixth in the lead in scoring. Although, I think you were seventh because it St. cracked me up today and he sent me the list. It's a it's a newspaper cutout and he's right above you and I'm like, "Oh, I like I think this is why St. had 20 or you had the same amount of points, but he had 21 goals. He might have had 20." And uh he said, "No, that guy could play. He could really play."

1:47:50 Well, you know what? I'll steal a line from Staffer. Staer would say that I was a stay-at-home centerman. There you go.

1:47:58 Like Philip Deno. Well, that's how it was. Yeah. Steve Ruchin on the Ducks in 2003.

1:48:06 Uh how how is it though for like a like I'm so you were a defensive-minded player and maybe you didn't have the option.

1:48:12 I was but I just No, I wasn't a defensive minder player. I just wasn't good enough.

1:48:16 Okay. So, do you like to try to like uh have the guys play with a with a like a high pace, a lot of offense? Like where where have your your your hockey philosophies came from? And who were the coaches that maybe you you took from?

1:48:30 Well, I grew up in Edmonton, so that's probably the biggest hockey influence was just growing up in the 80s with the Oilers. And actually, my friend, really close friend of mine, his dad was Ted Green. So, he was an assistant coach of the Oilers. So, we got to uh you know, I I was very fortunate. I got to go to their practices. cuz I got to be in the locker room when they won the Stanley Cup. And I think a lot of it was just watching them that got my love for hockey. I mean, but man, I've been really fortunate to to play for or coach with some unbelievable coaches. Ken Hitchcock, I got to tell you, has been one of the best guys. He was uh during the lockout in Philly, um he was uh he was coaching in Philly during the lockout and I was at Princeton and so I just called because we needed a goalie coach and he said, "Well, you know what?

1:49:14 I'll come help you out." when I thought he was going to come for a day, he was there all season and I learned so much from him. So, I would say those from a hockey standpoint, probably the Oilers and Ken Hitchcock have probably been the biggest influences.

1:49:26 To ask you more about Hitchcock, um was he helping you with any video at all? Because when me and Whit got to experience him in uh in St. Lewis for a training camp. I thought it was pretty unbelievable for a guy who never really played at a high level or maybe really at all how he was like able to break down the little nuances of the game. Like I was flabbergasted about how he was able to do that.

1:49:49 Yeah. You know what? I think he's a genius and in the sense of not necessarily what he knows but how he communicates it. So, it's really interesting like you you'd ask a question that I think is pretty complicated and every question he he answers like boom boom it's a like he he boils it down to every single guy in the room gets oh absolutely that's his genius. He can commu communicate his ideas in a very well- definfined way like very well defined. And when it comes to video, um, yeah, he was like he would come to every one of our home games, but on the road we would send him tapes and he'd go through them and then he'd like and discuss them with me. So he was a he was a master class in coaching and I have the utmost respect for him.

1:50:33 That's funny you say. The way you describe it is is true. There's no gray area with him. That's what I remember. There was you always kind of knew exactly what he was saying and I never I never really considered it. I also remember with him, Biz, and I I'm sure it was similar with Princeton, maybe different with personnel, but he was so crazy and adamant about cycling down low. Like all he wanted was you to cycle down low and tire them out and like hope passes to him, it made him sick. And granted, this was we were there three and a half weeks in training camp, but he was always drilling and going into like controlling the puck on the cycle.

1:51:09 And St. Louis was very good at that, you know, no surprise. Well, for us, I mean, I think he he I I don't remember that specifically. Offense is own part of it, but I can tell you that that back to the communication, like when coaches sit around and talk and someone will bring it up and someone will say, well, what do you do here? And a coach will say, well, this is what you do. And then there will be a question, well, what if that guy does that? Then what do you do? And you get into more discussions. And then with Hitch, though, it's like, what do you do? And Hitch goes boom, boom, done. Everybody gets it perfectly. No other questions. And I don't know how he does it. It's a It really is. You know, when you come across great teachers, you know it. He is a great great great teacher. Great teacher. Like no matter what, you leave the room, the discussion, whatever you're talking about going, I got it. I 100% got it.

1:51:57 And to me, I think that's the genius of coaching because it's not necessarily the systems or the concepts that you use. It's how many guys on your team absolutely get it. That's what matters. And for him, I think he's genius. Do you find the kids are are are maybe uh very skill obsessed and like offensive obsessed? Uh maybe even more so than like prior generations and how hard um or easy is it to beat into them like the systems element like hey man you can't go there, you can't take that risk. Is it harder?

1:52:29 I think that's coaching. I mean I'm sure that's what my coach said about me, your coaches said you about you probably at some times. I think that's the genius of it and depending on what you really want to get out of it. But for sure with all the different videos now and everything, it seems like every every hockey player coming up has been very very trained in the skill aspect of the game. Very very trained. A lot more than than I remember at when I was growing up. Like a lot more trained and and very aware of of different offensive techniques. But I think that once you buy in that look, you all have to do something structured together to to have individual success.

1:53:07 I mean, that's the key. You know, I know NHL is a copycat league and a lot of teams are taking, you know, whether it's Dzone coverage or, you know, power play stuff from other teams. Is it like that in college or are you guys looking at NHL games and going through?

1:53:21 Oh, absolutely. It's copycat in college, too. But we still I think the majority of us want to see what the best teams in the in the best league in the world do. Obviously, that's that's to me that's a no-brainer. So, we're very much I think coaching is very much a copycat profession. You do you can't ever lose your stripes, but you certainly it's a great way to get to tweak your system to where the game's going and evolving and yeah, very much so.

1:53:46 I I got a larger um or a question about like college sports right now and there's been so much discussion that it's in a weird spot. Um and college hockey is no different. It's obviously not to the level of college football with the money involved in the NIL, but it's still right there. I'm curious like are there any things that you've talked to other coaches about where you're like, God, I think we got to switch this up. Like personally to me, like the transfer rule, I always hated the fact you had to sit out a year cuz if you were a junior and you realize I'm not really going to play the next two years, I was like, "Oh, I should be able to go." But the transferring every year to me is insane. So, I don't know if there was something for you right now. It's like I think we need to address this.

1:54:29 Well, I think there's a lot of things that a lot of coaches would like to address and our staff is no different, but we're taking the the attitude that look, unless we can change it, why complain about it? So, yeah,

1:54:40 a lot of the different a lot of things that you're talking about um originate from probably football. The rules aren't just, hey, no one thought about college hockey then implemented all these rules in the NCAA. It comes from, you know, football for sure, maybe basketball, etc., But there's not a lot that we can control as hockey coaches. So our attitude is, hey, just give me the rules and let's play. Like I want to be I love hockey. I want to be a part I love being a hockey coach. Want to be here. What are the rules? Let's go for it. So

1:55:08 aren't those confusing right now though? A little. Yeah. I mean it's a ton. Like if you get coaches, any college coaches, you go for a bureau where of course we're going to talk all about this and how in how ridiculous a lot of the things are just like I'm sure a lot of other coaches from as football coaches, basketball, everybody across the NCAA. However, I I guess like our attitude is just I'm not going to change the rules, so you give me the rules and we'll play. That's what we think.

1:55:33 I think that the talent pool in the NCAA given the rules and the fact that you can go to junior first now, like it's at the highest it's ever been. I mean, we've talked about Gavin, but you also get a firsthand look against teams that you're coaching against. For those who don't watch enough college hockey, who are are looking forward to this year's draft or or even like prospects that have been drafted, who are some of the most fascinating players in college hockey right now where you're like, "This guy is this guy might be like the next Kale Mar. This guy might be the next Connor Badar." Like, who are the guys that you've seen firsthand?

1:56:06 I mean, there's a lot in the Big 10 right now. There's a lot of really great play actually I should say all across the nation. When you talk about defenseman um we have a couple going to our team at the Spangler Cup. I mean Eric Pamp is just he's an incredible defenseman out of out of Denver. He's fantastic. Jake Leven from from North Dakota is extremely good. There's another one Cole Hudson obviously I'm sure you're very familiar with and BU is one of those guys that you know I I have great respect obviously for Kale Mar.

1:56:32 We've got other co, you know, college has done an amazing job uh with defenseman that that guys come out of of college and do a great job in the National Hockey League. So, I think there's a number of them. Um I'm a there's some really good forwards as well. Obviously, you're going to see a few of them in the in the World Juniors that play in the Big 10 where Marone has have been having a really good year. Personally, I gotta tell you, and I don't necessarily think this is biased, but I just love like if you love hockey and love watching creativity, like Gavin to me is I mean, that's a guy to watch.

1:57:05 He just is. He's just so much fun to watch. It's so much fun to watch his his vision and his brain, how it works. It's it's it's quite incredible.

1:57:12 Can you can you dive a little deeper into Gavin? Like, that's what fascinates you the most. Like, what do you like what are you seeing that separates him and why he should be first overall? Oh, well there's a couple. So, first of all, that's what you see. Like, you watch him in practice and the way and even games like you'll see the way he manipulates time and space is really weird. Like weird. It's different. Like he'll have guys flying. He has no time and like you're thinking don't get rid of the puck and cover up. And he's like just so calm and will take time and just make the nicest easiest play and you're like how did how do you do that? And then on the other hand, you know, he'll have time and space and you think, "Oh, he's going to slow things and he'll like one touch a pass bullet." You know, he just he does he sees things differently and that's what you see right off the hop.

1:58:00 But but what we're learning since then is like he does so many things at elite level. Like his vision and his the way he thinks is is incredible. But then we'll do a conditioning drill and he'll just kill it. Like he's elite condition. And then if you look at anything he does on the backhand side of his stick, it's it's insane. It's insane how good the backhand side of his stick is. It's just insane. Like the first the first 50 times you're like that has to be luck. And then then that's like he does it all the time and it's amazing.

1:58:34 And then you know he's 17 and he's and he's a he's a young 17. He's not one of these early developer K. He's a very young 17. I think that's a lot why he came to college. so he could develop his body, nutrition, etc. But I mean, he just wires the puck. Like his first goal was a a bullet pass across the whole ice one time top shelf. Like he's got so many things that he does an elite level besides his vision. And like you talked about like that patience I think in that first game against ASU he I don't know if he was on the point during the power play or you put him there or he just ended up there where a guy came barreling out and then like he just made patient patient patient ended up making the right play down the wall and you guys ended up scoring off of it. But uh um amazing amazing player to watch. Now is is he related to Connor Baddard?

1:59:25 I I believe so. Yeah, that's really okay. So has he been around at all? And I mean, that'd be an unreal guy to pick his brain, right? So, they're just

1:59:32 It would be. It would be. I No, he hasn't come here. I'll leave that up to Gavin. Uh, but no, we haven't seen Connor here.

1:59:39 Okay. It's It's almost NCAA rules. He might be on the [ __ ] roster pair if he wanted to be.

1:59:47 They could probably pay him more than Chicago too. Goula is writing the check right now.

1:59:53 Yeah. Yeah. So, do do you almost do you almost think it's kind of unfair the way like the criticism he's getting? cuz I mean I play junior. It's a wide openen game. Like there it's a it's a skill game. There's so much room to make plays. You're not getting hit. And then I went to a college game over Thanksgiving break. It was Michigan Harvard and there is no room on the ice there. Granted, there's probably not as many high high-end talent as he is, but like I I I honestly think it's a little unfair to give him this criticism because like you said, how young he is. He hasn't he's never played over here and he's playing with guys that are 24 25 years old.

2:00:28 Um, I mean, I don't I don't really listen to criticism. I think they're very wrong. We get to see this kid every day. He uh, you know, and the thing is when he came here, he's very, very conscious that he wants to improve the team and be a part of the team. He'll only talk about the team. He doesn't like talking individual. And so, I think he's been very aware and very, very conscious of getting everybody involved. And there's times where he certainly could be more selfish. And may I'm hoping that maybe happens the second half. But that as well, I mean, we brought him here to play with a guy. We have an excellent winger who I think he was a second leading score. He's the leading scorer coming back in the NCAA, Aiden Frink, and he he broke his thumb.

2:01:12 Uh so he's missed half the season. So like Gavin's been playing with a bunch of different players. Uh he's been I think he's been doing handling it extremely well. And you know, if if if intangibles mean anything, the way this guy is with the team, the way he ingratiates, his teammates, just love him and just the way he does things, like if you keep scoreing anything, you see this kid turning up. He's he's phenomenal. I mean, he's excellent. I I I don't listen to any criticisms, but again, this is also the the highest quality, most mature, most experienced college hockey league that's ever been.

2:01:49 So, I think you got to take that into consideration, too. There are no prep school kids coming out in our league right now.

2:01:55 Hey, I I we appreciate you answering so many questions about Gavin, too. I know there's so many other things to talk about. I think we're just kind of fascinated about this prospect coming up. And uh my next question about him, though, is like what would your advice be to other coaches who have maybe never coached a guy to of this stature, right? Like I'm not sure if you've ever coached a guy that's this special coming up and there's probably a lot of other ones who haven't. What would your advice be to a coach who might be all of a sudden finding themselves get this type of player?

2:02:22 You know, I'm not sure that I have the that I would be able to give advice right now because it's still new to me and I'm learning. But what I can tell you, I think I mean, if you if you have the privilege to coach a Gavin McKenna, just enjoy it because he makes it easy. Like he's very much about the team. That's what I'm saying. Like it's very different with him. He was

2:02:42 he he's so still. No. And but it's more than that. And it's not only is there's no ego, it's it's he really so he's a very young 17 and and I remember one, you know, we were like, man, we got to get more physical and, you know, in the in the middle between periods, we got to get more. Well, he's the guy that goes out and just lays someone out and like he'll do whatever the team like that's what I think he's really driven to do what the team needs rather than necessarily do it individually accolate. So, so if if you're asking me what's my advice, if you're fortunate enough to coach a guy with that team character that Gavin has, just enjoy it. That's what I'd say.

2:03:20 That's awesome. In 2013, your first year, was that the first year the team had gone from ACA or club to D1?

2:03:29 Uh, we had So, I actually coached the club team for one year. No way. Yeah. Which was a blast.

2:03:36 Oh, I bet. Absolutely. This guy, it was a blast. And then and then we co we played the next year was independent and we played out of the little rink on campus before Pugula Ice Arena and that was a blast and awesome. And what happened? We actually were supposed to have a number of years as an independent to get ready to get in the Big 10. But they saw what this arena was going to be and and they anticipated the support and what the fans were going to be like. and we we sold out every game. Like it's incredible. And so when the Big 10 saw that they were like, "Hey, you're not we're not giving you more years as an independent. You're going into now." That's what happened.

2:04:14 So we actually started I think in 2013, that's when this building was built. That was the first year of the Big 10. And we still had

2:04:22 we only had two recruiting classes. Whoa. And and and at that point, club hockey there. And now club hockey, it kind of blows my mind now because there's a lot of schools that have two or three teams. Like very pretty good hockey players are are going there not making the number one team. Like it's it's an competitive awesome thing for kids to have that can't play D1 or D3, whatever. But when you guys had it, you were kind of the kings because at that time, weren't you getting four or 5,000 a game?

2:04:52 Well, no. No, because our arena that was on campus only held about I want to say 600 I think.

2:04:59 Oh, so yeah. So it was very but it was packed and they were really good. They were really good team. They won the ACA championship a number of times

2:05:09 and the guys were awesome. Like that was an awesome year because it was all about building for the future. So these guys are just they're loving it. And then the first year that we played I mean D1 and even in the Big 10 we had guys that came to Penn State to play club hockey. They're playing the Big 10 in Pagoul ice. So,

2:05:25 Oh, so you kept some guys. Oh, yeah. Oh, absolutely. Probably had to. Yeah, that's

2:05:29 unreal. You kept a lot of guys. That's what I was saying. Like, we were supposed to have a number of years, but we didn't. So, we had two recruiting class. So, we had two recruiting classes that we recruited and two recruiting classes were from from the ACA team and these guys were just loving it. It was a blast.

2:05:46 How many more uh how much more is that going to be happening as far as club teams? I mean, you got to think of some of these. I mean, Yans is a big Bulldog fan. Some of these SEC teams, they got to be coming up with with from club to the to the big dogs. No.

2:05:59 God, I'd love it. I hope so. You know what? Before CO, I think that we would have definitely had another Big 10 school for sure. And maybe there's others around the nation. There are little I know that there's a lot of feasibility studies being done. And I hope I really hope that more and more jump in. I would like to see a lot in the West Coast. I think that would be the way to go.

2:06:18 Well, G says UNLV is next. you remember they beat Denver last year. They didn't have their coach,

2:06:23 but still like doesn't really matter. So, that's one he's saying would be next. And the SEC Yeah, I agree with you. Like like the the old Pack 12 or Pack 10, whatever those schools, but then you look at like Keith and I were down at a football game at Georgia. We met the club hockey team. It's like these the the PE the kids on campus, I don't even think they know it's club hockey. They're like, "Oh, this is our hockey team." Like, they might as well be in the NHL. Yeah, I mean that I know there's been some great support. I mean, we went to when when we played club here, I remember going to Gez, was it Oklahoma?

2:06:56 I think we went down to Oklahoma. Yeah, they had a great team and it was packed. It was

2:07:02 Yeah, it was a lot of fun. I really hope more and more jump in. I know you mentioned it a little bit earlier, but just like the atmosphere, especially at your rank and you see it throughout college uh hockey. You got the bands going like it's so fun to go watch the games but and I think Wit's the first guy I've ever heard say this with the playoffs how it's at a neutral site. They should be in these home arenas like you got with your own fans again like imagine you guys playing

2:07:27 if you're the one seed if you're the one seed not [ __ ] St. Louis right? Yeah. Like what like what are we doing it in Tampa for? Like there's not even

2:07:34 it's like even crazier places like it's St. Louiswis and Tampa would be like Vegas compared to some of the places they're going for re

2:07:41 they did Manchester New Hampshire which I mean I played in match I love match but like

2:07:46 so it depends it depends on the matchups like last year we were at um Allentown which is in PA and I mean we had it was awesome because it was in PA and we had the whole student section showed up other like supporters other alumni that don't because it's sold out here they can't always get in they went and It was a blast. It was unbelievable. But in some regionals, you know, there there's flies. And I I could not agree more. This is something that we've been talking about for a while that I really hope goes because, hey, we're very fortunate here. It's an amazing atmosphere, but there's so many other colleges with amazing atmospheres. And I just think about the two colleges that I was at before here. I can't imagine Hobie Baker Rink and Princeton. If they were ever to host the regional, it would be off the hook. It would be unbelievable. It put it put the hockey program at the forefront of that

2:08:38 university for the first time ever. And the same goes for Alaska. It would be it would be insane. It would be nuts. It would be nuts. So I I could not agree with you more. I hope it happens.

2:08:47 Yeah. Like and you deser, you know, if you grind it all year to have there's four number one seeds. If you get one of them, you're gift you're gifted some sort of advantage. So I Yeah, that that would be pretty cool. That'd be pretty cool.

2:08:58 So Hobie Baker went to Princeton, huh? Yeah. Hobie Yeah, he did. Yeah, I didn't know that. and so did actually Patty Kazmire. So the top college hockey players Hobie Baker award the the top women's college hockey player is Patty Kasmire. They're both Princonians. So that's

2:09:13 Wow. Before we let you go, I got a question. Um cuz last year um I watched a couple of your games and that that kid Aiden Frink I was like holy [ __ ] One of those players you look you're immediately going online seventh round pick. He lit up his freshman year and then really took off sophomore year.

2:09:30 I don't know how he didn't sign. Like I'm sure you had something to do with it and I I missed he's missed some he's missed some games. So he's he's still a point per game, but is he battling an injury?

2:09:41 He did. Well, that's the thing. So Gavin was to play with Aiden and Aiden broke his thumb very early in the season. He's missed half the games.

2:09:49 So that's what I mean. It Gavin's been playing with a bunch of different guys. He really hasn't had a

2:09:55 a solid line. So Aiden's coming back. He's coming with us to Spangler Cup. Nice. He's back. So, he's going to get his feet on him. When he comes back, I think him and and Gavin are going to have a heck of a second half.

2:10:07 The The last thing I was going to ask about is how fired up are the boys in you for for playing the outdoor game?

2:10:12 Yeah, it's going to be awesome. This is crazy. Crazy. You know, ever since I got here, so it's been 14, 15 years ago. That is the number one question, most common question that I get is when are you guys going to play an outdoor game at Beaver Stadium? I get it all the time, no matter where I'm at. I get it in the airport. Like anybody sees Penn State, they're like, "Hey, when are you gonna I get it all the time. Penn Stator just can't wait for this." So, it's going to be awesome. I mean, I think they I just heard yesterday they've already sold 60,000 tickets.

2:10:41 How many can 110? Well, with the constru I don't know exactly because of how construction's going and how they configured it, but they better have some because they've already sold 60,000.

2:10:52 G's asking, are they also going to do a white out there? Because you guys are notorious for your white white outs. have to.

2:10:58 Um, yes, they will. Wow. So, this is this is one step closer cuz I keep busting my buddy Frank Marzano's chops that Penn State is going to be a hockey school and not a football school. So, I think this is the first step, but taking over that field.

2:11:13 I can't even He's got He's got to coach the football team now, too. You didn't hear?

2:11:17 That's right. Double dip. He's He's double dipping. That's funny. I got to tell you, Keith, I didn't But your name came up. So, Frank, you know Frank very well. He's an awesome Penn Stater. Yeah, your name came up the other day.

2:11:29 I was with him yesterday, he said to say hello. Cool. Cool. This has been awesome.

2:11:33 Hey, Gads, thank you so much. We appreciate it. Good luck. Good luck in Davos. That'll be a special trip no matter what the record is. But good luck. Represent the college college game well and we'll see you. We're going to be out there at Beaver Stadium end of January and we appreciate you coming on.

2:11:48 That's awesome. Thank you very very much, guys. I appreciate it. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Good luck. Big thanks to Guy Ganowski. Whit had to take off cuz he's uh he's on daddy duty. Boys week.

2:12:02 Biz. Me and you each have four years of eligibility. I would love to play for Guy Gadoski.

2:12:12 Damn. Think about it. Think about it. Like I I don't I didn't even write my own exams in high school. Who's going to help me?

2:12:20 They're not doing that stuff in college, are they? Oh, the athletes don't really have to go to class. Nah.

2:12:25 Perfect. Well, here's another guy who never went to class. Let's bring him in our raise world. Hello everybody. Welcome to Ry's World here in the Spiten Chicklets podcast. How's it going, boys? Good to see you once again. Uh Keith, I apologized last week, but uh you know for a little oversight with who was going to play you in a movie, but Casey Affleck, that would be the perfect guy to play you in a movie.

2:12:58 All right, I'll take it. And I appreciate that in the one week extra of thinking about it and hitting a home run with one of my favorite actors, Casey Affleck. I really appreciate that. All right,

2:13:08 absolututely. Biz, what's going on, buddy? How's I got a question. Is he the one that was in Manchester by the Sea? Yeah,

2:13:15 I never saw that. But he was pretty Did he win an Oscar for that? I I believe he he did. I know he was definitely nominated. I believe he might have from uh I should know that with my movie stuff, but he's definitely been nominated for it. I know that for sure. He was really good in Oenheimer, too. Did you ever see that, Biz Oenheim?

2:13:30 I saw I've seen half of it and I've always watched it on flights and I never was never able to finish it because the flights always ended by the time I I like put it on and watched it. But definitely one that I have to watch like to the point where I haven't gotten to Sean Avery's scene yet. Like I need to watch and finish that movie. So I mean now that we're on the movie talk here, RA, you have to be thrilled. Could you ever have imagined when you started this podcast that you would be on Netflix? Hilarious. Like I I tweeted I said I watched The Wire for the first time actually on on DVD and that's when I started using uh subtitles for the first time cuz you know I didn't know a lot of the lingo and now I I joke like now people can put subtitles on so they can understand what I'm saying when we're on Netflix coming coming up soon. Yeah.

2:14:15 Very exciting. It's just wild. Just just another I guess another notch for this crazy this crazy life uh that we all have and yeah the mother Mary man. It's fun stuff. I'm looking forward to it man. Do you do you remember the old days? We were I was talking about it with Kristen the other day when

2:14:31 Netflix you used to you'd get a DVD mailed to you and then you'd have to mail it back. You could get like two at a time. Remember you'd bring them on the road and then like some guys would open up their case and they'd have like the Netflix they'd be like, "Dude, you got to return this. What are you doing?"

2:14:44 Oh, buddy. And yeah, it was kind And didn't they have almost uh like vending machines that would pump them out?

2:14:52 Then they had them after that. Yeah. kind of progression and I believe at a certain point Blockbuster could have purchased Netflix or been involved with them somehow. And I don't know who was in charge and who was running the ship then, but talk about a talk about fumbling the bag. My goodness, man. That's like the Michigan football coach. That's a bag fumble for for the ages right there.

2:15:16 Yeah. I I I got a lovehate thing with Blockbuster. I mean, they obviously had a great selection, but they they gobbled up all the mom and pop stores back in the day. And, you know, I worked at my uncle's video store. So, basically, when I started, he had like one shelf of adult movies. Um, but the only way he could compete with Blockbuster was just to keep getting more porno. So, by the time you the store closed, like half the store, it was like working at a porno shop by the end.

2:15:38 Come on. Would there be the room in the back where they could go tug and like some of we weren't that customer friendly but

2:15:45 Okay. There's like shops like that that exist where you go there and you pop the DVDs in and you tug in like the back room which is bizarro land.

2:15:54 Yeah. Well, like that there was a time square they used to have those booths you would like put like quarters in like a girl would dance fire and like you know you [ __ ] rub one out in the middle of Time Square just watching some girl dance.

2:16:04 Come on. They would have almost like the in in New Amsterdam style. Uh I've never been to Amsterdam but well that I think you just kind of pick your hookers out over there. story I heard. [clears throat] Uh but no, at Times Square literally you'd put like quarters in and yeah, you just like crank it out and then you know go back to [ __ ] Spyro and grab some pizza afterwards.

2:16:22 I guess there was no like uh like the internet back then, right? So you had to kind of either rent the DVDs or I guess there even before DVDs the VHS

2:16:31 un the old file right here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. This Yeah. The memory bank or a Sears catalog on the bra section if you're getting real desperate. Um, what else? R, what what do you got cooking for the boys, baby?

2:16:44 Uh, just I've been chilling. I'm still feeling a little little wonky in the back, but I did go to um, you know, my buddy Jake Tibo, uh, plays well, he's played for Milton Academy, he's at Babson now. He had his family Christmas party last week. So, I I drove out to Fitchburg and, uh, last year I went and it's like, you know, it's a like an hour drive. It's like, you don't want to have like one or two beers and then, you know, like have to drive home. So, I was like, "Buddy, I'm I'm crashing this year." you know, I didn't get like tuned up or anything, but it's like I didn't want to have to drive home, but he's a great guy. Just a great family. All all his teammates at Babson like so good to him. All the boys were there. So, shout out to all all the all the Babson boys, too. So, nice time. Great to see Jake and uh yeah, get the Christmas spirit going boys.

2:17:22 Oh, that's awesome. Today, big anniversary today, Biz. 108 years ago today, the NHL opened for business. Uh, the visiting Montreal Canadians beat the Senators, the OG Senators 7 to4 and the Montreal Wanderers beat the Toronto Arenas 10 to9 and their first, last, and only victory because their bond burned down a few weeks later. I mentioned this a few weeks ago, the Montreal Wanderers. So, there were only three teams left there. Yeah, their their bond got burned down, man. They basically had to like forfeit the season. Pretty wild.

2:17:51 No way. And then and then like you're saying that because when they eventually like were recreated, they had a different name and maybe even a different owner. Like what? How did that all work?

2:18:00 Yeah. Why didn't they just relocate? I mean, it was 1917 or whatever. I don't know if it was really feasible because they basically there was their arena burnt down and the Canadians I guess had first dibs on. I don't think it was the forum yet. But so yeah, they basically just kind of suspended operations and I don't know if they became the Montreal Maroons later or if they just kind of like closed up shop. I'm not sure on that. I ain't that old.

2:18:21 I got a question. So you said the game was 109. Yeah. I is that where the term barn burner came up came up?

2:18:30 I'm not even I'm not even [ __ ] around here. I'm asking. I don't think so. Just cuz it burned down a few weeks later. But that I like you I like you trying to think of that.

2:18:39 But it was the last game there you said, right? Yeah. I didn't know. I just try to put it all together with my small team.

2:18:44 Dude, that's a that's big brain [ __ ] Is it? All right. Also too on that I wonder if those players were able to go and play for another team or not or if they just had to go back to their farm.

2:18:57 Yeah. Yeah. And interesting like some major names too from hockey history. Uh George Vzna News Lon Joe Malone Art Ross Dennity Dennity like those you know legendary names from the game. Those all all those guys played you know in the first uh day of the league. So pretty you know little history for you biz. You know what would be fun is to see like maybe do like a like a tournament, a little mini tournament throughout the NHL regular season, but all the players had to wear the gear from back then just to see how bad the like the hockey would be compared to the technology that existed back then.

2:19:31 Yeah. Like shoulder pads. They basically look like shoulder pads women were in the 80s back under under their [ __ ] blouses and [ __ ] back in the day.

2:19:37 Yeah. Uh moving along like uh we got to give a thumbs down to Seattle for what they did the other night with the uh postgame stuff. I'm not sure if you guys talked about it earlier. They lost 5-3 to Colorado and they only had one person asking questions and it was their own in-house like um cover the team for them and you know it was like I guess other writers were giving this guy questions to ask but it's just weak. I I mean you know Seattle they did come out with a statement. The bottom line it wasn't right. Uh it was a mistake and it will never happen again but it shouldn't have happened in the first place man. And it's like, you know, it was like, I don't know, childish, just foolish.

2:20:10 Like, you know, this, you can't hide this stuff anymore. Everything's on online and on the internet. And I just don't know what they were thinking to like, you know, tough loss. Things aren't grow going great there. But you can't you can't shut out the media, man. That, you know, that's that's that's who, you know, publicized all the games and does all that stuff. So, I

2:20:26 was in the locker room. Shut up cuz Well, it was cuz I don't know what it it was Lane Lambert, the coach. He was sitting there and they had one person just asking I think it's team related just asking him kind of softball questions because they were just kind of fed up. I don't know if they had a closed door team meeting or something happened internally but they also have been leaking oil. They did have the big win where they came back against LA and tied it in the dying seconds but I believe before that they lost like six or seven in a row all of which in in regulation. So they haven't been getting points. Do you have their stats like how bad have things gotten for them already?

2:21:01 It was actually that the game that was their ninth loss in 10 games the other night. So, you know, obvious frustration, but that's, you know, that's just not the the way to handle it at that point. What's up, G?

2:21:10 I was actually reading that their shooting percentage to start the year was just like astronomical.

2:21:15 They stink and they're coming back to Earth. They're coming back to Earth now. Said that that they'd come back to Earth. That that their numbers, the under the hood [ __ ] is it it's not sustainable. And listen, great guys in that locker room. Like, you know, they're fighting every night, but like just an absolute boring team to watch. I watched a few of their games this year and it's like watching paint dry. Although contradictory that that LA game was not bad, but uh two defensive-minded teams, but yeah, you can't be doing that. You got to [ __ ] stand in the fire. That's why you get paid the big bucks. And that's [ __ ] RA and that's Big Jay journalism for our boy the rear.

2:21:55 Absolutely. Uh but some good stuff at MSG. Uh Chris Krider, Jacob Trouin made their first appearance at MSG. And man, Krider like they really gave him a giant stand and like I mean a couple minutes long was I love to see that stuff. But uh Tristan Jerry though he did not get a video tribute in Pittsburgh because uh per beat writer Dave Molinari. The Penguins are not expected to have a tribute video for Tristan Jerry tonight. They are believed to have adopted a policy of giving such recognition only to guys who won a cup here. I mean, I I want to ask Whit because I know he's been bitching about this for years, but I I don't know. Do you think that I mean, 300 games he played there 10 seasons, I was pretty shocked they didn't give him one?

2:22:32 I kind I I mean, I respect the fact that they're doing that. When you have that rich history, I guess you can get away with it. Um, do I think Jarry would be hurt from it? No, I don't think so. I think like, you know, he he I'm sure he got the love from his teammates before and then after the game, so I don't think it'd be that big of a deal. But to just to go back to the Rangers one too, like Chris Krider at the end of the day, he he's going to go down as one of the greatest Rangers of all time. Like he is an he was a stud there for a long long time. He put in the work like he he's one of those guy. He came right out of college, lit the world on fire when he played there and then sustained it. How long was he there? 15 years. Uh 13 seasons.

2:23:13 13 years. So top seven all-time goal scorers for the New York Rangers. What is he at? Do you have that information? maybe G in the back. I He's I I believe he's easily in the top 10 for most goals ever scored. I think he actually has the most

2:23:30 playoff goals. He has the most power play goals in New York Rangers history as a player.

2:23:36 So there's there's a lot that he's done there for that organization and to get pigeon tossed the way that he did, [snorts] that's bad karma.

2:23:44 Biz, if you were running a team, what would your stand it be to have a video tribute? So, would it depend on the player or kind of a case by case basis?

2:23:51 So, as I said before earlier in the podcast, I have everybody in the Hall of Fame. Like, I'm the easiest when it comes to all that stuff, I get

2:24:00 where people are bickering about this. And considering I'm on board with the the video tributes, as nice of a guy and as good of a player as Jar is, I don't think he falls under that category. Yan's hit it on the head. Like, they've won five Stanley Cups as an organization. like you know if if Sid if Gino Gino's retiring so that won't happen. Latang, like any of those guys ever come back, give them a 10-minute standing O. They've just had too many guys in that roster who have accomplished so much to be just handing those out like candy. And I think that there should there should almost be a like a board like a board amongst the NHL where they have to say, "Hey, we're thinking about giving this guy a video tribute where they're like, uh,

2:24:42 yeah." Now, some of these players that maybe don't have the impact on the ice as they do off the ice in the community where it is being done during a TV timeout. So, it's not like you're stalling the game at all. And I I'm actually surprised cuz I want to say I saw online that during one of the TV timeouts they did give Jarry a video. So, maybe I'm getting bad information here, but I think he falls under the category where hey man, thanks for your time. will come say hi in the hallway after the game, but you ain't getting a video. There has to be a prerequisite. Thousand points, get out there, [ __ ] whip your [ __ ] out for your teammate. I don't give a [ __ ] But the video tributes, eh?

2:25:26 Yeah. Speaking of the Penguins, man, how about Sid? He he does I mean, he looks like he's 27 years old out there what he's been doing. 19 goals, 16 assists in 32 games. But although Clingberg Oh, that that was nasty. The overtime goal with Clingberg and Celbrini the other night. You don't see that h happen to sid and a guy dangling like that. Clingberg looked like Dallas Clingberg. That that whole game he was great. But that move that he made to and then Celibbrini gave it back to him, right? Like that that was an incredible play and it, you know, one of the worst comebacks or best comebacks depending on who you root for. That that game was like Biz likes to say, crack on ice.

2:26:03 And I know you mentioned uh the the announcer Randy Han the other day, Biz, but what like I I literally was like half asleep and he his call like woke me woke me out of a slumber. He was it was just epic. And each like if you listen they they put all the goals together in one clip and you know he just got a little louder a little louder a little louder each one. So great stuff from Randy Han. Awesome highlights

2:26:20 and you know they've been polishing some turds there for a few years now with that team not being good. And it's funny that you said that Randy ended up texting me today saying hey thanks for the shout out. So thank you to you RA reaching out uh midlive uh podcast in order to uh give me the heads up on on who it was. So he's a stallion. I want to say he's in his 60s. looks like [ __ ] looks like he's 40 years old, man. Good for

2:26:43 Army does an unreal job with them, too. Oh, yeah. Oh. Uh, which which one? Who's

2:26:50 Army with Pittsburgh? Oh, yeah. Oh, Army's incredible. He's a great playbyplay or our color guy.

2:26:56 Um, boys, we we want to uh send our love to Kelly Chase. I'm not sure if you saw the clip the other night. uh he addressed the crowd uh at the Blues game and you know he's been battling cancer for years now and you know he's had a couple more issues pop up but you know we just want to let you know Chase we love you uh he's one of the most well-liked guys in you know anywhere around the league but he was actually in town September I stopped down down the nights down the street and he was in town with his son they they had some uh business to take care of and big Jimmy Vy was there and it was just the four of us there was no one down there and we had an awesome night man he was in great spirits he was telling some awesome stories and and Big Jim Bey said, "Hey, how many times have you you've been knocked down in your career?" And Chase is like, "Only three." And I forget who the guy's name was, but uh you know,

2:27:39 Jimmy's like, "Oh, I didn't know he was tough." And Chase is like, "Neither did I." You know, it's like hilariously telling the story. So, we just want to Yeah. Just want to extend, you know, our love and everything to you, Chase. So, we love you, brother. Just want to put that out there. A great guy.

2:27:53 You You hit the nail on the head there, buddy. Like the like he is a machine, too. like everything that he's still doing in order to create awareness. Um, everything that's been going on for the hockey fights cancer, like him getting on the ice and and talking to the crowd and, uh, he is he's an inspiration. The way that he's been fighting and dealing with this, starting a podcast of his own with Brett Hall and and slinging the stories and you could just tell like being around the boys and in that locker room setting is what brings him true joy. And especially just doing it through the the pain that he's in and the fatigue that he's in. Like it's affected and he lost his eyesight for I believe five six days that he said recently and just going through all the chemo and everything. Man, he is he's he's he was a a a larger than-l life insanely tough hockey player and he has surpassed that by light years the way

2:28:44 that he's handled this situation that he's going through right now. So, uh, just to piggyback what you said, our our our, you know, our thoughts are with him. Uh, he's going to keep fighting and he's going to beat this [ __ ] cuz he's he's as tough as they come.

2:28:57 Yeah. When you think of Chaser too, obviously the an absolute killer on the ice, but what he's done

2:29:03 behind the scenes for that alumni program, like when you when you talk about alumni programs in the NHL, it in uh St. Louis is the standard, right? And he's been the main part of that for a long long time. So just a guy that just he he's all about others, right? He's not just trying to do it for himself. He's keeping people together. He's keeping alumni around, giving back to the game. And uh you know, just an unbelievable guy and you just you hope and pray and I hope everybody has him in his in their prayers and hope that he gets better.

2:29:35 It's it's actually uh the fact that you brought that up, RA, because I saw that video you're talking about that was going around. I actually when um when we went to the outdoor game last year, it was it was St. Louis and Chicago. St. Louis ended up taking it down, but Wayne had brought a bunch of jerseys, like a old school throwback, the looking ones that you wore on the ice with Chase and number 39 on the back of it. So, I grabbed one and it I actually put it right behind where I record, but we're not recording in our regular or my regular spot today. So, it's going to be behind me from now on when uh we record the podcast. And uh I I I actually somebody left the extra one. So I have the extra one. Yans, I don't know if you got one or Yeah, maybe. Yeah, maybe uh even RA I can send it to you and you could put it behind you there just to kind of continue to show our support for him. And

2:30:27 as crazy as this sounds, like I bet you he would love to even come on and and talk and just talk hockey with us at a certain point, especially when his energy is where where it needs to be. So

2:30:37 we're thinking of you. We love you, Chaser. and and you're an absolute legend and you're exactly what the game of hockey embodies.

2:30:43 Yeah. Yeah. I was really glad I just stopped in spur of the moment that night. Got to spend some time with him. So, uh that time of year, Christmas time, less than a week away. I know we talk about the movies every year. You know, we're not going to do that. Christmas Vacation, Christmas Story, Alf, Bad Santa, but I I want to say with the I think might be the the worst Christmas movie, and I hate to say it because I love Michael Keaton, but I was I put on that Jack Frosty. I didn't put it on. it came on, you know, when he dies and he comes back to life as a snowman. Um, and I I never heard anything good about it. I started it was like, oh, this could be like, you know, like a liar type movie, father-son thing. But, oh, tough watch. Just a a tough watch. It felt like they were trying to like uh be in like the CGI Olympics when they made it and just had to like finish this movie in time just

2:31:25 to try to get some award. But it was a freaking tough watch. Keith, do you ever see it? I

2:31:29 I cried like a baby during that movie though. All right. Like that is a sad movie when the kid is waiting for his dad to come to his hockey game and then the dad gets in a car crash and you just think about like oh my god I love my dad so much he always just wanted to come to my hockey game. Every time I watch that I ball my eyes out.

2:31:46 I've never even heard of it to be honest. No [ __ ] really. Yeah. Jack Frost. Yeah. I basically not to knock on G but it was like a movie for like sevenyear-olds who got kept back three times already. It was just like I don't know. It's I know it's a I guess an annual hit, but I don't know. It was a tough watch for me. Again, I love Michael Keaton. I hate even saying that, but uh what about Biz? Do you ever watch the old like the old ones? The Rudolph and Frosty, the OG ones. This

2:32:10 the one that was done with Clay. Yeah. Yeah. Like I watch that sometimes. That was one I watched growing up. I loved it. Um obviously Christmas Story, but yeah, I like to hit up all the I loved Elf. I thought for like one of the new school ones, Elf's probably at the top of the list. Um, but

2:32:26 Bad Santa, Bad Bad Santa's great. Bad Santa's great. Um, um, Jim Carrey and what he did with the Grinch, perfect guy to replay the Grinch at that one. So, yeah, there's so many good Christmas movies and Christmas was my my favorite holiday growing up. My mom made it very, very special. And I've told the story before, like they would always spoil me and I ended up getting the the Gretzky uh the Gretzky aluminum the one year. So, Christmas is a is a great time for me.

2:32:52 Absolutely. Definitely. I don't give two [ __ ] about the gift giving anymore. Like I don't need one single present. I just want to be around friends and family and be having a good time and a little time off work.

2:33:04 Yeah, absolutely. I think like years ago me like my siblings, we just like you're going to buy me a hat, I'm going to buy you a hat, whatever. It's just like, you know, I'll see you at Christmas. We'll get drunk and have a good time. But yeah, I kind of the gift giving seem to get like too, you know, too much over the years. But one other movie I noticed, it's obviously not a Christmas movie, but it seems to play at Christmas time a lot. The Wizard of Oz. Uh, love that movie. But Keith, do you know I mean I would say the the four characters, you know, Darthy, uh, Tin Man, Cowardly Lion, the Scarecrow. I I would say that's the most iconic Foresome in movie history. And I love Star Wars, but I don't know if you can come up with a more iconic foresome, but you know, two of the four are Boston Irish guys, the Scarecrow and the Tin Man.

2:33:43 I didn't know that. But didn't the Tin Man get like really sick cuz of what he had to wear from that movie? It was the guy who who who was going to play it before him and his name escapes me but no Jack Haley who played the Tin Man. No, he he didn't end up getting sick. He actually was born in Boston and raised in Newton and uh Ray Bulge who plays the Scarecrow, he was raised he grew up in Dorchester Cardman Square went to Dorchester High.

2:34:04 Really? Yeah. Yeah. Little Boston. And yeah, even at the M he was from Boston, too. And uh if you're looking for um a gift for the Bruins fan your life, our pal Mike Kamo got Bruins 365.

2:34:16 He did a Bruins one, too. Yeah, daily daily stories from the ice. Uh, great stuff. I I know that he's got other versions for other teams, but for the Bees fan in your life, if you're uh looking for a gift, little last minute gift, snag that Amazon or wherever else books are sold. So, good stuff.

2:34:31 Like new is there new stories in that or it's all old school stuff. Just Yeah. Yeah. From the from the history of the the franchise, you like right 2020 222 1979. Yeah. He skips around the years, but tons of great stuff in there. So,

2:34:45 he did the Leafs one first. [ __ ] traitor. Come on, Mike. Be in the horror sector at the bookstore.

2:34:53 Uh I I know boys, we we you know, love to keep it light on here and check us, but I I do want to acknowledge uh Rob Rhino, the director who uh unfortunately was murdered with with his wife uh Michelle the other night. Apparently, their son's been charged. It's just a sad story, but you know, I just want to, you know, shine a light on what he did. I mean, he, you know, Spinal Tap, Stand by Me, Princess Bride, Harry Met Sally, a few good men. I mean those are I mean probably one of the best mockumentaries of all time. One of the best coming of age movies of all time. Stand by me. One of the best fantasies. Um Princess Bride, Harry Metal, probably the best romantic comedy ever and the court drama. A few good men. Uh he was also a great actor all in the family back in the 70s. He was the father in Wolf of Wall Street. But for me it was Stand by Me. Uh I saw that when I was 14. My dad took me to see that and that was right

2:35:38 in my wheelhouse. I mean it was, you know, I was that age, same age as those kids. And I don't know if you saw I posted the other day, Bis. Um I it wasn't really a review. It was an English assignment my freshman year of high school and they picked like the best one in the class to be in the school paper and uh I you know I wrote like a f five Warthog I gave him five wthogs stand by me. So and it was like the first time I ever like realized okay I can like talk about this movie in another way. Obviously you know I had read movie reviews before but that was the first time you know I ever like really expanded my thoughts on it. So yeah it's just again sad story. Um, Stand by Me. It's just a timeless classic and you don't have to be guys, girls, everybody loves that. Everybody can relate to youth and and friendship and all that stuff. What do you got, Bizzy?

2:36:18 Um, you said you said that it's considered a a coming of age movie. Mhm. What What do you mean by that? As in like you just like a grow growth from like adolescence to adulthood and like experiencing like life like growing up life things like what do you mean?

2:36:33 No, pretty much. Yeah. basically when you're, you know, maybe an adolescent or a teenager, you know, you're basically not an adult yet, just sort of that that age that those guys are in the movie. Yeah, that's sort of a category. Coming of age, uh, coming of age movies, you know, there's there's a handful of them out there, but for my money, Stand by Me the best. I I watch it every few months just to I don't know, freshen up on it.

2:36:53 Is that what your your Halloween costume was? Yeah. The guy who So, I've I've seen parts of the movie like I'm pretty sure I've seen it, but it's been so long. Um, is that the main focal point as they discover a dead body and it kind of like what transpires from that?

2:37:08 Uh, yeah. Uh, Vern, you know, Jerry Oonnell who goes on PMT all the time, married to Rebecca Roma. Yeah, he was he when you when you watch the movie, you never know he was going to be the one to marry a Supermodel. He still had a little baby fat on him. But yeah, he overhears his brother and his friends talking about, you know, the the body that's missing. And then they all go lie to their parents, say they're camping out, and they go look for the body. And that's basically the gist of it. It was a Stephen King uh like novella, a short story actually. I got the book over there. He wrote four stories in that book and three of them became movies. Uh Shaw Shank Redemption at Pupil and Stand by Me.

2:37:41 Wow. So this guy like so I've obviously seen what you're talking about RA. Like I wasn't really familiar with the guy's name or his body of work and didn't realize he was the one to direct all those. I have now seen clips that have been popping up where it seemed like he was close with his son where he'd be doing interviews and his son would be involved in the interviews. So like what has happened? Like you're saying that him and his wife were both killed by that son that was in all these clips and interviews.

2:38:09 Yeah, he's been been charged with the murder. He's, you know, had some I guess some substance abuse issues, some mental health issues. Yeah. dealing with homelessness and and I guess there was a story in the I think with the Hollywood Reporter and I guess he showed up at a party at like Con O'Brien's house. I'm not sure if he went with the parents or if he just showed up and I guess he was like making people real uncomfortable and like just kind of like staring at people and and that was the night before. Yeah, he allegedly killed killed his parents, but yeah, he had been dealing with a lot of issues and actually they Rob Ram made a movie a few years back about based on his story, you know, having a child with addiction issues and stuff and it's just yeah, it's just, you know, just awful. to the point where so obviously this is it could become a deeper discussion like basically drug addiction to the point

2:38:53 where sometimes the parents like the last like the last resort is like you have to cut ties right you have to say I'm not giving you any more money you're not going to stay here that you're not going to you're no longer going to affect our life with the choices that you're making and it's terrible cuz like we don't need to get into the whole like addiction and and and what creates it but at at a certain point he was like no longer longer at the house. Was that the case recently when he like killed them like where he was no longer living there and stuff? I I think he they might have had like you know like a house out back like a guest house he he had been staying at but the other story said he had been homeless but yeah he he basically has had a lot of a lot of issues quite a while and yeah and it is it's just a tough story but yeah I just want to acknowledge you know Rob Ryan right also to James Woods you know Jimmy

2:39:39 uh great actor he did a great interview on Fox the other night and you know those two are polar opposites when it comes to the way they see the world and politics but I I just thought it was so classy with James Wood just you know he he you know he put all that stuff aside. He was in a movie with him was in his movie uh well Mississippi I'm sorry Ghost of Mississippi a while ago and I just thought the way he handled it with such grace and empathy and yeah I just thought it was a good example of like hey man you know the world's [ __ ] up right now. Everything's kind of crazy and you know people have more common ground than they realize. So I just want to acknowledge you know Jimmy Woods for for saying what he said and just yeah we're all here for a while man. We should try to be a little bit nicer to

2:40:17 Oh for sure. Terrible. His scene in uh Wolf of Wall Street when he's trying to watch the equalizer and someone calls him on the phone is one of the I think it's one of the best scenes in the whole movie with a in a movie that has some amazing scenes. You remember that scene, Biz, when the dad

2:40:34 No. No. Describe it. He's He's sitting down on his chair trying to watch the equalizer. The phone rings. He's like, "Who the [ __ ] is calling me? I'm trying to watch the equalizer." Walks over the phone. He's like, "Motherfucking shit." Yellow. Yeah. Yeah.

2:40:49 Answers the phone yellow and then like he's like yeah no all set and hangs up and he's like [ __ ] He loes unbel It's such a good scene.

2:40:57 That's I don't remember that one. You you must seen some old law in the family apps. Keith. Yeah.

2:41:02 Oh yeah. What a unbelievable show. That show changed television forever. But uh good stuff there. So yeah, Rob Rhino uh you know uh thoughts and prayers to sympathies to his family and friends. Just a a sad story. But moving along here in same same vein with movies. Uh, my classic recommendation this week is Thief. It's a 1981 Michael Man movie, the guy who directed Heat. Um, Paul, the inside, a bunch of other great movies. It was his first movie he directed and it's pretty much regarded as as a masterpiece. It stars James Khan as as a safe cracker like like they don't rob houses. They basically break into buildings and steal diamonds and, you know, sell them on the side. Uh, tremendous movie. I think it's on prime right now. If uh James kind of Sunny Cole, you know, if he was a 10 like intensity, uh the guy Frank and Thief is is a nine. He's he's sort of similar to uh to Sunny Colon. But you know, Dennis

2:41:54 Fina, um you know who that is? Keith or Biz, the the actor. He was he was the gayhead that Chicago mustache guy. He passed away a few years ago. Well, he was an adviser on this movie. He was a Chicago cop at the time. And he, you know, it was his very first movie he was in. I don't even think he has a line in it. And he ended up getting the acting bug and became like this you know this huge actor like after you know you know on the set and I guess like all the like Michael man he goes deep into details. I mean you see it in heat. If you watch thief you'll see it there and on the set there was all like cops as advisers and all the robbers too but they weren't like scumbag robbers. They were just you know boosting diamonds and they weren't like you know house robbing or anything.

2:42:34 So all the cops and robbers on the set all like knew each other. There was like a familiarity on the set all the time. Not something you see all the time, but either way, Thief, phenomenal movie. Uh, check it out. Get get back to me. Let me know what you think about it. And winding up here. A couple picks. Last week, we did all right. Tampa Bay. Uh, they won. Covered the puck line. Didn't do so good in the football, but Detroit pushed on on the weekend. But tonight, if uh Hell Buck starts tonight, Winnipeg plus 200. I know Colorado's been on its, but uh if Hellbuck's in, I'm taking Winnipeg. That's a pretty good price for a team, you know, that's got, you know, probably going to like try to get back on. Well, they're in the race right now, but after missing Hellback, I think he'll be locked in. And I like them at that price. Uh in the NFL, uh Green Bay, uh take them on the money line. They're

2:43:18 in Chicago. I think the line's 1 and a half, but just take them on the money line. It's like minus 110 or minus 115. So, so far so good. Making a few bucks this year, so hopefully people following along and making a few beans as well.

2:43:30 Beautiful. Anything else, boys? All right. Great job, buddy. Great seeing you. Um yeah, you're a legend, buddy. appreciate you starting this goddamn podcast and now we're on Netflix.

2:43:41 Seriously, how long till you have your own premiere? No. Well, uh, what's I'll be going with you, porn, buddy. No.

2:43:49 Hey, what if if you could if you could write and direct a movie, what do you think it would be about? Uh probably maybe like growing up in in the city, growing up in Boston and you know all the craziness like especially a neighbor a neighborhood like this and I used to you know have [clears throat] always say I was going to write a book in college and then when the town come out basically like Ben Aff more or less cocked me on that idea because it was you know I even had the idea former hockey player against you know bank robbery all that type of stuff but yeah I think I think you know right where you know that's what they say. So yeah, I would think some sort of Boston movie, but uh you know, said it back in the 70s, back when this city was really [ __ ] banana land. Yeah, probably what I would think.

2:44:31 He did kind of jack that idea. [ __ ] Ben Affleck. Some guys got it all. Yeah. No [ __ ] Uh boys. Well, uh I'm not sure if I'll talk to you before next week, but if I don't, Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas to all our listeners out there. Happy Hanukkah. Uh whatever else you may celebrate. Uh love what we do. The the the feedback's been great. um with RA's world so far. People have been awesome about it. So, uh thanks again, boys. And uh enjoy your weekend and we'll talk I'll talk soon, I'm sure.

2:44:59 That's it. That's a wrap, baby. Netflix to the moon. To the moon, baby.

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The discussion centers around a recent transition to Netflix, featuring hosts Zeev Buium and Guy Gadowsky, as they share updates on their personal experiences in hockey, including new collaborations and sponsorships. Highlights include Biz's participation, promotions for the Discover credit card tailored for hockey fans, and a hint at an intriguing upcoming event related to the NHL Winter…

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