The Dan Le Batard Show 2022 💥 POINT FORWARD - Legacy, Legacy, Legacy…. (Feat. Dwyane Wade)

What this episode is about

The discussion centers on LeBron James' new two-year, $97 million contract and the potential for a shift in how veteran players are compensated, suggesting a system similar to the "Tiger Rule" in golf that could allow elite athletes to bypass standard salary cap constraints. Additionally, the conversation features insights from NBA legend Dwyane Wade, emphasizing the broader implications of athlete legacy and branding, particularly in relation to Nike's influence beyond athletics.

Key takeaways

• LeBron's 97M is just a prelude; he deserves a lifetime contract for his decade of dominance.
• Imagine an NBA 'Tiger Rule' — star players could sign lifetime deals after proving themselves. Fair or just fantasy?
• NBA contracts should mirror the players' impact—how about 100M/year for legendary status, regardless of market?
• Giannis's loyalty illustrates small-market success; stars should get rewarded without penalizing their teams. Ideas are brewing!
• In a league of stars, why not let exceptional players break traditional salary caps? Time to rethink standards.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Andre Iguodala (Host) · 38 min speaking
• Evan Turner (Host) · 34 min speaking
• Dwyane Wade (Guest) · 24 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 10:00: NBA
2. 10:00 – 20:00: Capital Records, Ethan Mecca
3. 40:00 – 50:00: Marquette University, Olympics
4. 50:00 – 1:00:00: NBA Finals, Olympics
5. 1:00:00 – 1:10:00: Top 75
6. 1:10:00 – 1:20:00: Top 75, TNT, Qualtrics
7. 1:20:00 – 1:30:00: G League, NBA

Notable quotes from "The Dan Le Batard Show 2022 💥 POINT FORWARD - Legacy, Legacy, Legacy…. (Feat. Dwyane Wade)"

• Has been taken out of the good of the game all right let's dive straight into the nba we'll get into kd staying in brooklyn for now at least until the next reports come up but let's first talk about lebron james and that new contract.

  about NBA · at 1:36

• Basketball go to a different topic because this story is crazy just recently capitol records signed an artificial intelligence rapper by the name of ethan mecca but then with 10 days they had to drop him and issue an apology because.

  about Capital Records · at 12:18

• Obviously we talked before i gave you much virus on your commencement speech recently at marquette university you said you talked about solitude and self-awareness now i said…

  about Marquette University · at 40:36

• You three had spent some time together in the old four olympics as well and having to go through that walk me through what was your thoughts in terms of i won the championship first before these two great players.

  about Olympics · at 49:01

• Something to separate myself from something that put me you know on the level and winning the championship at 24 was that for me wow 24. that's great so during that time when…

  about NBA Finals · at 51:21

• For sure you know so pass all that obviously you know prior to that and take us to the top 75 nba time 75 yeah you obviously hell of a reward with some of the best players ever to do it you know a lot of chicago people you know that.

  about Top 75 · at 1:08:55

• Ownership i was just really trying to figure out like what was the next steps for me if i had just signed with tnt i just got into tv and ryan's suited my house he's like bro…

  about TNT · at 1:14:29

• To do the same thing and so he got an opportunity last year you know to play in the g league at utah and it was all about you know just trying to get him to understand the game at a professional level younger.

  about G League · at 1:21:01

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Ethan Mecca — Person · Referenced subject (AI rapper controversy) · 1 mention · first at 12:26
  Discussed as an example of cultural appropriation and stereotyping in AI-generated entertainment; the segment critiques the business incentives and lack of Black stakeholders.
  Basketball go to a different topic because this story is crazy just recently capitol records signed an artificial intelligence rapper by the name of ethan mecca but then with 10 days they had to drop him and issue an apology because.

Companies & orgs

• NBA — Company · Core topic · 2 mentions · first at 1:45
  Central to the discussion about basketball, players, and league dynamics.
• Capital Records — Company · Case study · 2 mentions · first at 12:23
  Discussed in the context of a controversial AI rapper signing.
• Marquette University — Company · Affiliation · 1 mention · first at 40:40
  Mentioned as part of Dwyane Wade's collegiate background.
• TNT — Company · Affiliation · 1 mention · first at 1:14:31
  Mentioned as a media partner in NBA coverage.
• Qualtrics — Company · Affiliation · 1 mention · first at 1:16:05
  Mentioned in relation to Ryan Smith's business ventures.
  Hang out on a normal day but you know somebody i respect so much from what he's building what his family has built with qualtrics and everything that he's trying to accomplish…

Places & events

• NBA Finals — Event · Key argument · 1 mention · first at 51:25
  Discussed as a pinnacle achievement for NBA players.
• Top 75 — Event · Key argument · 2 mentions · first at 1:09:00
  Discussed as a significant recognition for NBA players.
• Olympics — Event · Referenced event · 2 mentions · first at 49:05
  Mentioned in passing as part of basketball discussions.
• G League — Event · Referenced event · 2 mentions · first at 1:21:05
  Mentioned in the context of NBA development.

Full transcript with timestamps

0:44 on today's show we dive into lebron's new contract fm mecca and how nike is way more than just an athletic apparel brand and make sure you stick around for our conversation with nba legend and current jazz part owner dwyane webb from new amendment in meadowlark media it's the podcast elevating the athlete conversation always above the rim never in bounds this is point forward point forward this is andre iguodala this is evan turner we're trying to get to the true essence of not just basketball but life and that means something something something it is like a finger pointing away to the moon don't concentrate on the finger or you will miss all that heavenly glory that level of understanding has been taken out of the good of the game

1:45 all right let's dive straight into the nba we'll get into kd staying in brooklyn for now at least until the next reports come up but let's first talk about lebron james and that new contract two years 97 million and in my opinion it's not enough i want to see lebron get 100 million per year what do you think about it i mean i think we should carve out a what is it uh how many years should it be a 15 year 18 year like how many years of uh excellent service uh where a player um can go above and beyond the salary cap without it affecting the team he's with in terms of uh you know how about you get rid of the call at the lebron rights no more bird rights yeah yeah no bird rights like tiger woods has it right where he won a certain amount of tournaments on tour to where he's exempt for the rest of his life so he he can play any tour event he wants rest his life he doesn't have to qualify he doesn't have to have

2:40 points he doesn't have to you know follow the rules anyone else like they have that it's like the tiger rule once you win i don't know 20 tournaments 30 tournaments whatever it is you you're exempt for the rest of your life you can play wherever you want whenever you want and um i think it would be dope if the nba had that where you you have to be like one-on-ones so you know you got lebron you got steph katie and i'm putting chris paul in there i'm putting i'm putting chris paul in there okay i'm not mad at that considering everything he's done absolutely i totally dig it i i like that idea but let's just let's say 10 10 years of excellence or maybe maybe a field you understand i'm saying like a field type what i mean well i mean only the only reason why i wouldn't say 10 years because i think the once you like the years of service are going down on average because the turnover is high but those high-end high-end guys

3:29 are there around like they're getting like 15 years in like they're playing longer than ever before like the high end guys so you know i don't want to it to be a disadvantage to you know the smaller market teams you know like like giannis could be in milwaukee for you know uh 13 14 years okay you did your job like you you put milwaukee on the map like loons from milwaukee and he loves giannis because he's like what he did for milwaukee like like he he he got keys to the city like you can go any hood you know on any mar or any martin luther you know what i mean so okay so john is 13. 13 14 years get the nasus is there like a brother so for instance with giannis is it like hey bruh let's go for finances as well like a minimum every year until i'm gone is that is that this is the secret sauce that carl was talking about what what is wrong with it but that that is a great that that is a great point you make okay the

4:31 gnosis okay all right uh cause cause my brother because it it's something somebody else i think too i i don't wanna go there but you're right you're right you're right you're right you're right i got somebody in mind but i don't want to say the name right now i'll give him a break no i want to hear it i want to hear it i i want to hear it cause i got to know no because you know what i'm really happy about this guy like he's proven himself as an nba player and he's with the phoenix suns now and i always was saying it throughout the year he had to prove himself like he heard the noise you know like the nazis here's the noise like okay i think i'm only on the team because when he's on the court he plays with the confidence and he plays with a hustle he plays with the great the grit yeah yeah and damien lee you know everybody will you know you hear those chirps even he hears it you know it would be in my

5:18 mentors on twitter sometimes uh you know uh he's only on the team because steph and i would see him working every day and you know i can tell he was working because he heard the noise and because he's a hard worker so i'm actually looking forward to him playing but i wouldn't mind that caveat either you know it's it's you know guys have their guys i i seen i seen some guys on the bench you know like a randy brown was that guy for the bulls but when he got in the game he was a dog he was picking dudes up 94 feet you know what i mean so yeah now for sure and he almost got the championship ball and what 96. well i wanted to kill randy brown for that one i ain't understand i don't remember what you doing he gotta have fun you gotta have what you doing like what are you what are you what how great like what are you doing what what did you think so so okay so not to get too far away from from the uh

6:07 so so so how should it be structured should it be the guy can get whatever he can get or should there be a uh uh should it be a hard cap on whatever i just think for one if it's really like that it's only so we started a hundred i'm with it and that's it and then like and then you take it from there if giannis might giannis might get a hunter chris paul might get a hundred katie katie you might be like bro i want 150. that's between now with that you understand what i'm saying with that all right yeah i said in a day people don't understand like you say what yanis you say with all these situations like these people aren't only like energy shifters or culture shifters but like they're just literally changing the economy for sure you go yeah when you go into milwaukee you see a whole new infrastructure around you know what you're saying like look yes look out around there like oh somebody

7:00 came back to the city you know what i'm saying like that type vibe and i think what brian did in cleveland for all those years literally when you see him in a city what's going on in in the economy what's being built up you see all this instruction like damn this is it's a lebanon effect you know what i'm saying the lebanon the lebanon falls i like that yeah that's what i'm saying and i i think i think that goes out saying because they're literally invaluable who can literally exist play a sport and your whole economy is going to change and i think another example outside of pga would be the mls or the mls did it where they had something called the designated player if i'm reading this right the total salary cap is around 3 million but you can give three guys as much money as you want and it only counts as 250 000 against the cap on the 25 man roster and it was specifically created for uh david

7:52 beckham so when we want to get stars uh stars from your the european stars from the premier league to play over here in america that's the way to kind of get around that so it's it's basically the same thing like ibrahimovic and all that like all those dudes they paid david beckham enough to you know have his kids rolling in the drop top phantom in beverly hills speaking of wild kids uh drew brees drew brees bro them kids they had these scheissies on so i learned a new term this week everyone is called the scheisties and i didn't know if that's what the what is that the mask the the that's the man overhead mask and uh the first sound you can't trust somebody and uh drew brees kids had them all uh it was pretty interesting and they were dripped out in the shoe store too yeah dripped out man that's though but they said they said they belong in new orleans um speaking of standing the basketball

8:42 lane um you mentioned it you mentioned it when you first brought up the topic with katie um i'm super excited to hear kd uh is going back to uh brooklyn um i saw katie in the weight room man uh so i'm excited uh kyrie i was just hearing uh and they said it shut down it's two things to shut down uh i guess any activity with kyrie because kyrie is supposed to be secured and coming back as well and they're going to tag team and do what they got to do this season um let's talk about your west side uh brethren west side chicago brother yeah there's supposed to be a statue up soon pat bab what up baby you got pat beb making a lot of bro low key historically pat bev is making a lot of noise considering everything considered bro he's really a big name i was out about yesterday when i saw the trade like people around the area like bro pat babs going to the lakers my bro this is wow somebody just stopped my dinner to say

9:38 that [ __ ] but you know what i'm saying i felt i felt exactly right i'm hyped for him bro you gotta salute him bro literally how he made his name here yeah i actually think it's a good trade i do actually think it's a good trade i do think it's going to help the lakers get better it's going to give them a safety net in terms of uh the other moves they're trying to make uh with that team around that position with whatever they decide to do i think and and not to say that uh i think he's better than anybody but they're trying to move other things around that roster and i think uh pat beb's gonna help them out tremendously uh they still got some work to do because autumn autumn i don't know if all them could play together so that's gonna be interesting but uh pat we pat pat you got to chill out please please uh you're doing it you've had a great summer so let's let's end it now while you're ahead but uh when pat

10:25 said uh kd was holding everybody up i forgot about that no that's the lebanon so so basically pat bev was saying you know nobody's saying nothing about uh kd holding up everybody's summer where guys have to wait uh until he makes his decisions because teams are on pause and that's the that's the nature of the business and that's yeah for sure you just said it we just talked about the lebanon effect he should have a special cause he and you know a couple other players in the league's had a special clause once they have a certain amount of years of service they can go wherever they want for however much they want against the cap and that's just star players make the league just like any other sector you got real estate you talk about you talk about real estate and uh one percent on 95 percent of real estate uh and that's across the board and we talk about different sectors in vc is probably what four or five percent of

11:11 all vcs uh uh i have 90 of the best deals it's just just how it goes you know it's uh from our first episode big money little money never told big money what to do it goes right it goes right back to that so uh let's relax i love katie's uh uh commentary on twitter and uh hashtag blame kd and it just is what it is we look at that 30 we look at all the 3430s and all the great players yeah some guys they became they were sacrificial lambs this is what it has it is what it is and no it is it's true yeah you just up the wrong time man like i went through it too with dwight i was calling dwight saying can you please hurry up but i mean i understood this that's the potential championship is kd they show who they care about regardless you know what i'm saying it's not bad in in any sense so i understood that you know pat bev obviously but all the good things he does sometimes he might have his phone too much

12:17 all right dre we gotta switch it up from basketball go to a different topic because this this story is crazy just recently capitol records signed an artificial intelligence rapper by the name of ethan mecca but then with 10 days they had to drop him and issue an apology because everybody was upset due to the fact that it was culturally insensitive and uh it fit a lot of weird stereotypes so have you heard the story what do you think about you know that the artificial intelligence game and you know people trying to push the wave and then obviously making the rapper look like somebody from you know the soundcloud era that was black you know what i'm saying listen man you just said something i've been thinking about this when i first saw it i'm thinking this is this isn't real i first saw it i heard it i'm like wait the n-word was trending on twitter all right it was spelled out in igga i'm

13:09 like what is what is going on what is this and it was fn mecca and i'm reading up on it now and so her early video depicts the character being beaten by white police officers while in prison and although they care yeah bro that's wild bro that the bro the whole thing is od i'm like what is this a 50 cent oh and although the character was voiced in the music created by some black creators factory now apparently has no black stakeholders who stand to profit from its use of black stereotypes and we've been talking about this from the beginning so the gatekeepers did their job we got them up out of here um this you said it was uh culturally insensitive and that had me directly takes my mind to lebron wanting to have success and excellence of a certain culture and when he said their name it was viewed as you know he he had said something blasphemous towards that group and he was only bigging them up and so

14:07 for it's finally you know there's some action behind you know someone being so uh culturally insensitive to our culture although it was a make-believe character so you know uh he won't have any um mental uh instability stemming from him being dropped from the label so this is this is a very interesting one man but but loki i saw earlier today um the dude who did the voice behind it he was pretty upset because he was kind of uh he was saying the company came to him was it factory now i believe factory now they came to say hey do you want to collab do music for this you know artificial this ai rapper fm mecca and he's like sure i thought it'd be a great way to you know kind of switch over collab and everything like that he said the second he did the songs and stuff he literally dropped him stopped calling picking up his phone and everything phone calls and everything so he's like man like they literally tried to finesse

15:07 me they told me they were gonna get they told me they're gonna give me equity and everything and it's like i see it yeah yeah yeah you're right yeah yeah so it was wild man so i mean it's obviously a black dude that was okay with you know going along with it and he was trying to do it you know to kind of cross over so i'll do more my music and it helped this way i think it'll be a good luck but you know i think uh it's just a bad idea works doesn't work what what's the what's the engine's bad or whatever man the car ain't going too far you know what i mean yo this is wild yo who signed them capital records i gotta talk about the crackers it's almost like this was like cb4 in the metaverse bro bro the fact that they had buddy in jail getting beat up by white cops is wild to me right like what why can't like with green hair bro why couldn't he just went he could've just been an r b you know i

16:02 mean it could have been anything bro rock and roll or whatever but he getting beat up by it was od bruh yeah o-o-d-o-d and capital said they finna make a quick please stop doing this please we're begging y'all it's it's really getting out of hand it's just i just don't understand who thought this was a good idea but but you know when we always have these you know uh situations that come to light and we always say you know it was almost like the uh make america great again you know it was it was the trump supporters and you know you know some of the rallies that that that group had what was the name of that group the proud boys so but i did hear something uh that was that was interesting in terms of at least we know who they are like they used to be hiding you know it was like closet we call them closet rings yeah yeah that's true well at least we know who's who and so you know they can and

17:04 i've always been on not been on but i've always had this thought was you know i've always asked that question you know did uh desegregation hurt us more than they helped us because you know in terms of black wall street when we you know group economics we had to practice during segregation so we actually we were actually had a stronger spending dollar within our own communities during segregation now the other laws weren't right but that that particular part was interesting so you know i would love to have that conversation somewhere down the line we got to do some more homework and studying you know historically on the space but uh this was this was wacky like like we thought we got somewhere and then we go right back to the beginning with you know as my man carl says that the sheer idea that you could degrade black music to an algorithm without humanity or soul is racist at the basis level this is wow

18:08 uh all right let's uh close out the topics this week with a little guns and butter for uh for everyone um you want to talk about the the massive impact that nike has culturally and how it's allowed the apparel brand to grow into something much bigger than just an apparel company um as you can see nike um is the largest clothing and apparel brand worldwide by 10 billion so i believe what is the market capital 33 billion in louis vuitton is second at 22 billion um so uh we've had a lot of conversations about nike and uh the success that athletes have had partnering with nike uh and you know just commercially you know are you a bigger brand with them guys take less to be with them how hard it is to start new friends um you know let's break that down this 50th year anniversary for nike you know we can break that down but then i also want to ask is there do you think there's opportunities um that are lying in a weight where

19:08 someone can you know come and steal some market share uh you know similar to what kanye did for adidas uh although adidas is about to change ceos i just read actually um you know steph's starting to try his own brand you know new balance with kawhi but let's let's break down go ahead go ahead let's break down nike first though i see bro i see kawhi bro but like i'll say this bro nike's so popping they made stuff like not made a full out of step but once they made steph uncool when he dropped his shoes left nike went to under armour you know what i'm saying legitimate he couldn't hold it like who could really steal any type of market share from now i will say he literally set the tone bruh well i mean i'm saying step steph came out like on on fire two-time mvp when he's dropping the cookout twos and [ __ ] like that like literally when when he's coming like he he couldn't make it you couldn't move

20:01 the needles uh i think his revenue is 33 billion their market cap is 175 billion and then uh louis vuitton is second at 22. um but i do think steph scared the life out of nike but it was the timing i think more so than nike and steph not being able to continue you know being you know that ghost that that comes to haunt you i think it was a switch over to the athleisure where where we all started wearing you know i got on some birkenstocks right now uh you know we we we wear new balance 550s you know uh like the athlete shoe isn't the staple of fashion right now like when we were growing up like it started with your air jordans first and you know i think the question we we should answer first is how has nike managed to take over the sports world you know the way they have and i think it was them making you feel like it wasn't about the the sports it was you finding your identity on a day-to-day basis and you know sport

21:16 being your way of finding your inner self as well you know what i mean and you can you know i i talk to you that's right that's your vc's all the time or you know uh c-suite individuals um people that work for you know fortune 500 companies then go be be going into a big meeting and they're saying i'm listening to jay-z and this is one of my favorite jay-z quotes going into the meeting like i'm getting myself ready and you know or using sports as a way to motivate yourself to you know get through a deadline so it's all about community and nike has done a great job of not just being a sports apparel company but being a storytelling brand yeah and i mean community in general but they dive into so many different communities and you know i mean it takes some of the best minds from there and kind of you know what they say it's not so much trying to you know make the most out of shoes but make the most out of ideas so when they

22:11 get the time sacks or when they go get the virgils or what they do with the travis scots or drake you know the megan rapper those you know you know what i'm saying like yeah the stories are able to tell even mars blackman literally is it goes not only inside the culture but it kind of the story elevates everything around the shoe and when you break it down you're like bro why did i get these shoes or when you look down at your kicks she's like how the hell did these shoes even come about bro some of the kicks like like they're off like virgil off-white and everything like how the hell is this even a shoe right now bro like nike's supposed to be doing right like sports shoes and virgil right one of the biggest sellers travis scott's i'm winning for his jordans like drake like you know what i'm saying billy eilish is putting out crazy stuff and it's like breakfast and none of it like this the culture of

22:57 it is kicks right now aren't performance kicks so so like you're saying it has nothing to do with actually helping you perform better as an athlete but i think it's that mindset that comes with you know the brand and i think they've done a powerful and an amazing job of uh pushing that their brand and that messaging across but why hasn't i got a question for you why hasn't drake shoes done as well i have bro i to be honest with you i don't know because at the end of the day like we'll rush we'll rush to go get us out but you won't but we'll should go get it he's a great music maker no no no of course but like literally his shoes stay on the shelf and some of his packs are straight but it's like i literally don't see him on the street like i think or like even the ovo brand but then you see like the travis scott cactus jack joints like them things shoot i'd be having a call in the favor some days to go get some bad boys yeah

23:50 i'm saying like yeah the christian dior jordan collection was crazy yeah yeah yeah that's what i'm saying i i don't i mean bro billy eilish is jordan yeah she had a 15 right the hardest jordan shooter 15th oh that's what i'm saying i love maybe it's the sauce bro i don't know let's shout out to chef curry but like his [ __ ] wasn't selling neither for us we love him but right went

24:25 i think nike was pushing i think nike were the ones pushing uh pushing that agenda like they i think they named them the cookout tools i think they they did because of nike yeah nike behind the scenes with the data talking to instagram talking about push the algorithm push the algorithm push to push the shoe out push the shoe out and then i wonder i wonder who's behind that like that conversation like hey man tell them about this [ __ ] tom is full of [ __ ] ain't it like who back there like legit one man said cook out too yeah but i think he just he hit a step at a crazy way with his first year yeah i think the second one is like they they made they might have made they might have made too many and they kind of like set on the shelves a little bit and then they just trying to figure it out and then you know logistics it's hard it's hard uh with consumer goods man it's really hard to sell a product for a really long

25:22 time man and yeah it's like music now you got to just keep making something new over and over music is music is easy you just like we're on our podcast you just turn it on hit record boom and push it out but shoes you got to go through the factories you got to you know you got to hit the correct margins you got to predict who's going to buy what in six months yeah and nike bro and like just even like the little stuff like jano and janice uno pax like just uh just the special edition joints you see you see was not it's nike still but jt about to do the was it the mustang 14s the player editions like just allowing people to tell that story yeah bro like katie the aunt pearls and all that like the stories the stories behind all these shoes are crazy and they're fun you say i'm saying and like i think that's one thing that nike has always done a great job of it's like hey remember this and they kind of

26:15 you you go get a pair of uno giannios's you've been playing uno since you were a kid like you understand i'm saying like that whole the whole idea is just it's wild and it could be simple but it's like genius bruh i'm looking up these uh oh huh did jason tatum 14s i told him man i said man send me a pair in 14's rock and if you really messing with me send me a pair of 15's wearing a men's lead and they the lows with the uh patent leather tips on the toe box yeah while people playing bro you know when they do pad and leather a lot of people like that a lot of people like to hit weddings and primes with the pad and leather choke so i'm like bro you low key fake trying to do your thing oh he went crazy on these he went and i i honestly like uh i like luca your favorite players uh uh i can't say your favorite players because you got to say jt your favorite player but enter e.t i like tate i like lucas new jordan too

27:10 they i like them steph's steph's next shoe is going to be cold too i seen it it's dope but let me say this so when we say culture and everything culturally who's between those three just just rank them all right all right he says that's the best player in the world after the final so i'm giving him that but culture wise steph jt luca rankem who's going to because i feel like staff might be the third third in that lineup yeah just in sense of shoe selling and everything i think i think i still think steph sells more shoes in them too because jt don't jt doesn't even have his own shoe and uh i think i think lucas lucas is coming i think luke is coming uh luke is coming but i don't know man steph has still got a a hold on it um i mean no other two and that's interesting that's interesting because i don't think uh uh what's her name naomi osaka oh yeah i don't think she was with nike at first

28:06 but when she's an adidas she was adidas she went to nike and just took serena serena was with puma something first serena's with puma when nike took off they said i mean and then they build her ass like what nike can legit be like the greatest athlete ever like do you understand i'm saying like i got a question for you what is it the guys who signed with jordan do they ever like take off like a name a nike guy that i mean name a jordan brand guy who has just went crazy in terms of taking off like carmelo carmelo yeah no no no he did no he did his thing i'm just saying at the same time it's not his fault it's not their fault because there wasn't enough time removed from mj that's what i'm saying and like how much time is it going to take you think it's enough time right now i think so okay i think so and i think when you break it down bro i'm not even trying to do it bro their lineup and roster is stupid i

29:06 don't know how they got all these young dudes yeah they got him tatum bro unbelievable luca you know what i mean like zion williamson like bruh this is zion we forget about zion yeah bro it's a joke bruh and like these bro i'm like jason's a man like he's going to sell bro lucas a man dawg like you see the magazine cover bro every every every time you see his face it'd be like yeah i'm that dude basically give me a but give me a bajillion dollars because you're gonna make money with me like i've never seen somebody so sure but we we haven't spoke about one guy yeah i know i like to speak not everybody likes to speak about this guy kyrie he is the biggest shoe seller right now absolutely after paul george was at one point and now yeah kyrie right kyrie's been there for a while like kyrie is selling everybody and his stories are great his shoe the stories behind his shoes are crazy bro even when he even

30:00 when he killed his own shoe and said it wasn't good enough it still came out he still was moving units the lows were his contract was ended with nike after this year i didn't like that i hate that what's going to happen with kyrie with his shoe man you better go online and just say them bad boys what's he going to do i'm saying if you're kyrie and you don't go back to nike what do you do and you're just big you're you're like the number one shoe guy you you everyone follows your lead all the kids have your shoes on you go to tournaments even across the league you don't see guys wearing other guys shoes you might see a couple kds here you might see one or two lebrons yeah no the kyrie paul george's yeah you're going to see the kyries night in night out on every everybody go see i guess you gotta go to adidas and holler you know what i mean go through yeah at adidas bro i don't like it neither i like these

30:49 adidas is not adidas is more of a culture streetwear brand now i think they've gotten a little bit away from basketball they've cut they cut half their basketball roster yeah yeah uh they got trade they got uh dame they got uh donovan they got james so they got all guards i don't yeah i don't and the only ones i like really i don't like them for shoe selling i only like dane for shoe selling maybe try yeah i like trey shu but i don't like i don't really like none of them sell shoes it's hard to sell shoes so it's not like i don't like the guy but it's really hard like james can't sell shoes at all and he was running through the league for like a four or five year stretch he looked embiid and b they stopped making his shoe yeah of course i mean who want to see a size 29 ass shoe that's not that's not nice to the eyebrow yeah that's athletic yeah the [ __ ] some shoes be up to people calves knew about i would go to new

31:40 balance bruh i would go with new balance and finesse from there but but i need you know what i can go to new balance and treat it like a startup and i want 10 of the company if i'm kyrie 10 that's a lot too that's a whole lot no that's a lot but this is the only thing i'm saying bro that when people think they're going to leave and like turn it up it's a kyrie shoe bro like kyrie is obviously pushing it but like nike's doing the story and from when i know design and i know kyrie helps design it but like it's a story behind like can he replicate that i think it's more about distribution nike's done such a great job they they took themselves off the shelves of foot locker foot locker stock yeah and then nike took himself off amazon as well amazon that was a big deal and and nike said you're going direct to our consumer and when you know exactly what your consumer wants you can give them what they want sooner so you know how it

32:33 is in fashion where you're always six months to a whole year out you're usually a whole year out so you're trying to predict in one year exactly who's going like what what color the height the mids the highs or lows you're just guessing but now nike has gone straight to their consumer and said what do you want and they figured out a way to produce it and get it back to you in four to six weeks and that's what's the game changer in there somebody can replicate that kyrie can go there if kyrie can get something back to his consumers and his fan base in four to six weeks that's real guns and butter today uh we got a one of my favorite uh players has a little bit of not a little bit a whole lot of um history with where where you come from where i've spent a lot of time from and just doing some amazing things we've had a great conversation with isaiah thomas and this gentleman's name came up in terms

33:30 of you know the chicago landscape of you know the high school celebrity the high school or that comes from certain guys and some guys get it in high school other guys you know may not and uh this particular uh individual arguably go down as one of the best players to ever come from chicago and you know we can dig into you know chicago would really take your high school career over everything else cause you're just clicking at the right time right right but uh some of the accolades um gold medalist three-time nba champ 13-time all-star eight-time all-nba three-time defensive all-nba future first ballot hall of famer currently part owner of the utah jazz i think that's my favorite favorite thing to say uh mr dwayne wade welcome to the show listen i appreciate you guys making time for me i know y'all booked a busy man so i'm glad a former player can get on the show man appreciate you coming on for real

34:28 for real man we looking forward to this so no doubt and i guess you know to kind of get things started let's go back to our roots you know we we've always having those uh conversations about chicago we were just talking about uh cappy pond dexter yesterday or today yeah we were having some conversations about um will bynum as well uh candace parker uh sean dockery was a huge name in my class as well you know how that goes and there's a little bit more history with us as well uh larry butler and i know i know he used to motivate us using your name a good amount uh yes yes he's he's talking about you a good amount you d wei q uh i know you just want to knucklehead so you know going back to your youth and on the shop south side of chicago you know kind of because a lot of folks don't know unless you're really born and bred in the chicago area how you know where you come from around chicago means a lot

35:22 uh but just talk to us about how you know being from the south side shaped you as a person as a basketball player yeah man you just said it too like where you come from you got i mean this is almost in any community any neighborhood like it means something and so i grew up on 59th and prairie you know that's that's what i use for my production company that's what i claim but also too i grew up in roberts and in robins illinois even though it's the inner city it's the inner city of a suburb like and so i moved with my dad when i was nine years old and i tell my whole journey with my mom going to prison and then my dad getting custody of me and i moved to the suburbs and so now you would think that i lived in pleasantville like you would think i'm like the toughest dude ever right the perception of oh you don't go to a city school you go to a suburban school right so i had to fight through that as

36:16 a chicago athlete probably still because like even some people be like oh do you weigh from chicago because they don't give you that credit if you ain't go to whitney young right yawn or one of them dog schools whatever yeah yeah man uh but you know i always took a lot of pride you know i mean growing up in chicago man like my brothers and i we just drove around every like this is when you could go to every neighborhood we're driving around every neighborhood trying to find a game you see five guys more in the court we getting out and we trying to hoop you know i mean that was just the way we were so a lot of my toughness in the way i played just came from like playing in the streets of chicago i played in the streets way more than i played in gyms growing up so uh i give a lot of my credit for my style of play just from the city so obviously growing up in chicago besides you know looking up to michael

37:05 jordan obviously i'm from there you know we all have a crazy you know basketball disposition when you're getting into the game what were you looking forward to the most and who are you patting you know your game after besides obviously mj yeah i mean you know man growing up in the inner city man and it's like you have to find things to celebrate like you don't have a lot of of small moments so don't have a lot of big moments right right right and as a community and so the chicago bulls was our moment to celebrate something and feel like we were a part of something so growing i felt i feel so lucky to have grown up in um i mean i could say it i mean probably the greatest team ever i mean eagle dollar might have something else to say about it but not really i'm on your side ever you know from my eyes right and i got a chance to watch you know the greatest player in my eyes playing so i felt so lucky like it being in my

38:03 backyard and you know was i the typical athlete like growing up like body wise and game wise they probably want to say hey he's going to be in the nba but i can't as i watch a guy and i watch a team and watch players that i just admired so much that i just wanted to go out and do everything that they did and so i'm a big jordan guy which everyone knows but i was a big allen iverson a kobe guy right those were my three that i kind of followed and tried to like you know saying pat my game after because like you know i thought all those three different guys games was something i can reach that was attainable for me um in a sense so those three man so kind of walk us through you know you had three stops in the midwest you know growing up and then playing the marquette and then i you know have an opportunity to come back as a professional and play for the bulls you know kind of described us how you

38:53 viewed how your overall view matured and what did they grow into in terms of how you saw the midwest how you saw you know kind of the city of chicago just the area through each stop yeah man i think as a kid right like i'm looking at it from the eyes of you know the communities i said and so i don't really see i see i see gangs i see drugs you know i don't see the positivity in the city at all i see all the negative from the city you know my my family likes we're no different like my family was in gangs and drugs and so for me i was next in line to be in that same conversation um and so as a kid i kind of seen it just the medallions of all the bad things that you know that was going on in chicago and then i got a chance to go to marquette and i got a chance to see it from an athlete's standpoint where people were actually taking care of you and like lifting you up like hey leave him alone

39:47 right you're gonna be something you know what i mean and i got a chance to feel like the community and support from like the inner city like everywhere i went he was like yo he's going to marquette like don't follow him too hard like you know what i'm saying it it meant something so i got a chance to see like the love and like the community aspect of chicago when i was getting ready to do something in my life and then get the chance to you know to to go to marquette and go to the nba or whatever i got a chance now to come back to chicago and i got a chance to see you know how i can really make an impact in the city and now i got a chance to look at it from a different lanes and just see how okay what kind of impact can i make how can i bring this community together even more and so that's what i try to do when i was there so i've been able to look at it from all different lenses and see the beauty and then each

40:34 you know each stop i guess obviously we talked before i gave you uh much virus on your commencement speech recently at marquette university you said you talked about solitude and self-awareness now i said played a big part in your life obviously but you know revisit you know what you're saying i thought it was such a amazing part in building who you you know telling the youth and creating life you want and building who you want to be if you're able to comprehend those two things yeah yeah you just said it bro it's really creating the path that you want right and you know it starts for me it starts here first yeah before it starts anywhere else and so i have to i've had to my whole life is i've had to you know be a visionary right i've had to have my moments of solitude to just think you know i mean to just you know whatever your relationship is with god um you know and so still to today my like

41:27 my i get up two hours before everybody at my house uh so i can have my moments of solitude whether it's coming in the gym for an hour what i'm sitting outside you know saying on my my red chair drinking coffee like i need those moments to come back to myself i need those moments to clear out everyone else's chatter and i need to be able to have solitude and clarity to really to be able to plan it first in my mind so i know what steps i need to take you know in the physical and uh and self-awareness man we all know how important that is if you if you if you've been an athlete you played at every level uh that we've all played that for the most part we've all had to be self-aware at some point so oh this guy is this guy better than me oh this guy could do something i can't do you have to be aware and it's a lot of players who are not self-aware and it takes them a little too long before they

42:17 understand how they see it and that was one of my greatest strengths is that i was always self-aware always knew where i was and i never even though my ego or my pride maybe took a little longer than i wanted but it always allowed me to be able to see something bigger than me and see outside myself well you go go back to that self-awareness and confidence plays a big role in that because i feel like you and i uh have similar journey in terms of you know we didn't really get recruited like that until late you know and i see that you know you you're you're our offers were illinois state depaul marquette you know and i didn't get recruited and i only played one year aau so i was super late to the team too so bradley illinois state were the teams that were looking at me and yeah you you talk about it that's what it was so you talked about not ever what's up right he was a man you know you talk about that that

43:11 self-awareness you know did you feel like you were better than what was being offered or did you just use it as a motivator to prove yourself you know once you got to whatever you know was out there for you i mean i think we all do right like we all feel like we're better than what's been offered to us because all we see and even though now you get a chance to see the world like i could see the athletes out here in the world i couldn't see that it was six seven three dudes overseas that was coming next like i didn't know that right right so all you see is what you see and what you see we'll be playing against so yeah i was i was just as good or better than everybody i was playing again so i thought i should have gotten more maybe more love or more attention but now that you when you get to see basketball in the whole like i was at summer league the other day it was two teams on the court and it was 50 players

44:04 on the bench and i was like this is two teams these are 50 guys trying to make it in this nba yeah but only a few slots we're not talking about the whole world we're in and the rest of the league and so you realize how hard it really is to to be that guy that grew up with that that dream that you had when you're a kid and say i'm gonna go to duke i'm gonna get drafted number one and like you know we all have these and so for me it was a motivator of course right like i always wanted to when i was younger i always wanted to prove people uh wrong like we always try to do and then as i got older it stopped being about proving people wrong and starting about proving myself right because we all have that moment where we tell ourselves we tell our friends and we look at the mirror and say i'm this and i'm there and you know i mean instead of trying to prove other people wrong it was like you know what how about you become this and

44:54 that's what you say you are right you know right and so that was that was more so my journey but like yeah now i use this motivator i mean depaul came to my house pat kennedy came to my house and told me i wasn't good enough to plan to my junior year i was in the nba about my junior year i think all right yeah i think i went to the league after my junior year so i mean it was just it was a journey for me man and uh did i like it at the time no i didn't like only you know bradley was in there as well i annoyed state bradley the father marquette i didn't like the fact that i had that but at the end of the day i liked the fact that i did have one team at least that did one because i've seen it the other way as well like growing up and completely guys who have these dreams and they don't get to to to continue on they don't get to further them because of education or because of you know a previous mistake that was made or

45:43 whatever the case may be so i still felt lucky that i did have a scholarship offer from from school even though i wasn't a lot of schools in the top school yeah so when did you kind of we talked about like the beginning of the underrated but when did you kind of like know because you go from disgusting being i just want to go who playing and uh you know playing on course try to get recruited and stuff but now it's like your favorite players watching iverson kobe you get signed by mj at what point were you like all right now this is kind of getting crazy and was it a little bit before shot came or was it like you know what i mean was it had it or was it after the final four swagger like what was that that game against reese gaines yeah yeah that dude people forget you know some guys made that games may not translate but they're they're a problem in college and i was a freshman and uh we lost to

46:38 kansas in the elite eight and who end up playing melo in the championship game but i remember never forget that reese gaines game and like he got drafted high because he played well that game but like you guys got the 15 to the orlando yeah yeah we bro we had some battles and you know what's crazy about the game you're talking about is we played at marquette like nine days before that game and reece gaines had a game winner on me the only loss i've ever had at marquette oh milwaukee and it was a like it was a big moment he came down and drained my face so nine days later we're in louisville and the conversation now has shifted to like he's the player of the year in the conference he's missing that man here we go and so i had to go out there and do my thing but um you know what i think it's just i think for all of us it's different moments in your career it's not one moment you know i mean like

47:32 it was moments in college where i was like ooh like i'm nice but then you run up to somebody who's bigger you know what i'm saying a little better and and then once you get over that hump and you're like all better i'm bigger and better than him you're gonna keep running into people that challenge you so i ran into people that challenged me and still probably like when shot came it really inserted that level of confidence in me that i could be one of the greats i mean i needed somebody that wasn't great to be able to show me what it's like to be great and i'll give them so much credit for what i did on the court at a young age in my second year in the league but also what i started doing off the court a lot of it came from being around a guy that was doing it and so i just had to like follow suit but also just interpret it you know my own way and put my own spin to it but when shaq says hey you're one

48:21 of the best two guards in this game you're going to be one of the greats i mean i don't need no more juice than that i feel ready so what was that feeling like you know even your rookie year you had some successful moments in the playoffs you know you talked about it on knuckleheads going up against bd but you gave bd everything he wanted it almost felt like he tapped out it was like one of them great boxing matches and the young boy just came through and you follow that up with an amazing performance you know uh just keep him continuing to build and then you win a championship the first one in your class you know consider one of the best draft classes ever you know and then you know you you three had spent some time together in the old four olympics as well and having to go through that walk me through what was your thoughts in terms of i won the championship first before these two great players

49:16 that were kind of the headline of the draft and i think this is when you went off into the stratosphere then you just kind of catapulted to that trajectory as well and i will i know the difference prior to before he won a championship he used to wrap the hat with the do-rad cop to the right a bit afterwards you start rocking it straight ahead it started to start becoming more business savvy and personal we was watching yeah oh man i mean you know what i did let me tell you guys what i did man this was you know like the pettiness of of stuff and it's like only good fun but i remember before the uh season or at some point i committed lebron used to do this bike-a-thon in cleveland and you guys may see like pictures come up on social and you'll see like t-mac and mello and all of us would be at this bike-a-thon and i remember i committed to donald's bike attack now his bike-a-thon was probably

50:15 let's say it was within five days of winning the finals so the last place you want to be at the winning championship in miami but that was one that was the first place i wanted to go because i'm like i'm going to be like hey bro so uh uh what's up you know what i'm being like i'm going back talking about my ring and so like for me that was important to be to be the first one in my class i knew when once we got shacked and i was the first one that i felt it was a position like once you get shaq you automatically know like all right at that time this championship robust and so i knew that i was in position first and i was like i better strike now you know what i'm saying and like you know waiting because i knew how great the class was i knew how great number six was over there in the la mello and so forth so for me you know i was the first one to put in position and i wasn't going to let that like slide

51:09 you know i mean i was going to give it everything i had everything i had ended up being you know obviously an epic finals run um but yeah man i wanted to strike first like i wasn't a big name in the class like those guys and so i needed something to separate myself from something that put me you know on the level and winning the championship at 24 was that for me wow 24. that's great so during that time when you went up to cleveland is that when you and brian were you guys kind of like all right i'mma battle battle you or was it kind of like a talk like we're going to join together or was that just a surprise thing before the big three reshape you know i mean nba yeah you know what i'm not even bro i never thought we was going to play together like it never crossed my mind like playing in all-star games and playing in the summer games and playing in the olympics that's one thing but planning the nba season together

52:00 that's all that's 82 that's way different like you know how hard that is to think about playing with another ball-dominated guy yeah it wasn't as many shots as it is now the pace wasn't the same as it is now so it looked even you know harder to even think that so it was nothing that was on my mind until free agency in 2010 you know when we went we started going through the process of free agency there was none on my mind until then about even playing together a lot of people think like we came up with it i wish we were this smart people with

52:41 yeah thanks for the credit but uh it just kind of like really really it was just the perfect storm for i think all of us man like i had one early and around the time 2010 came i was like that was about four or five years that i've been losing you know ignorance once you win the championship like the rest of the season is just steven it's like you want to get back to the championship right and you've never won it you think you know what you're missing out on but you really don't you know what you're missing out on when you're winning so i knew that i wanted to get back to that feeling lebron at that time was like mvp scoring champ all these things and those individual accolades is dope but then at some point they become there's no feeling in it like you get nothing when the season needed you know i mean they're feeling this in a sense and so he was looking like he wanted something more than just those individual accolades he

53:37 wanted what everybody said you got to have to be a great player you got to have championship and he realized he couldn't do it on his own and so like we were all cb was in a phase we're all in different phases in our careers and it's just that he did an amazing job making sure they can get three max players nobody have ever done it at that time and it just was the perfect storm for all of us but you did have to there were some sacrifices in there yeah i'll never forget the lockout was 2011 and we were having some conversations and you know it was always the sentiments that you know who's who's doing more of the sacrifices and i remember owner you know someone said you know we're sacrificing then i remember the eyebrows of three guys they eyebrows raised like hold on timeout we sacrificing the most you know in terms of we put this team together and it was you lebron and and and cb y'all really sacrificed you know and

54:35 it's a lot of conversations on how much should a superstar player get in this league david falk came on the pod and david falk i couldn't disagree with him he said you know steph curry lebron you know he names like a handful of guys who would play the same way they play as hard as they can for a hundred million dollars or if they made five dollars and you know he spoke about you as well that's what made me think about it but he said you know steph's just as big as neymar's that's just as big as you know uh you know ronaldo yeah big as messi and those guys are getting 100 million dollars a year uh mbappe just got a three year 300 million dollar deal he got pretty much 300 million he gets to choose like the coach the coach director the socks the laces and shoes but you know what i mean he basically had a three-year deal yeah wow yeah so you know just kind of talk to us about you know did you guys talk to each other or was

55:38 you know you know the heat or the one of the the best at in terms of having the plan in place and how to make this thing work in terms of salary how did you all decide how you wanted to divvy it up or you just said hey we'll let them handle it and we want to go out with any championships yeah yeah i mean because they were coming to wade county so you know listen i'm not going to like we look we look now and say okay we won championships and so everything seemed great but you know it was definitely tough in a lot of different ways i mean it was tough to give i think i gave up 17 or 20 million right right like i didn't like now as someone who's on the other side of it uh i didn't have to give that money up you know i was saying like i could have pushed the envelope a little bit more i could have made them spend a little bit of that bread right like it was a lot of things that at that time as a player

56:27 you really didn't know you just know that this is what they said needs to be done and we this is what we want to do let's get it done and so we all had the sacrifice financially first of all and and you and you d like people like to say hey d-wade sacrifice the most i like to say we all sacrifice you d sacrifice yeah right like you i remember being on the call with you d once we decided we were going to do you know me see and brian and ud was like well ain't no money left for me like i got to go get my bread and that didn't sit right with me because i'm like man we about to enjoy all this success and my brother came who helped build this he can't be a part of this so they go let's go more money we all got to take less because we need our guy here right and so the sacrifice started even before we got on the court it was about you know financially sacrificing when we look at the game today i ain't seeing one player

57:15 get no money back i'm seeing everybody get they fool we talk about that all the time the guy's going to get the whole thing the whole bag and i don't you know and i don't blame them for it at all i remember eddie jones would tell me back then i think eddie when he came in eddie had like a 90 million dollar deal it probably was a nine year 90 million at that time right eddie will say to us all the time young fella get your money get all of it and i never really like understood it right until like we was forced we was faced with this moment of giving money back and it wasn't something that you know was was common that wasn't something that we celebrated was giving money back um but it's something that we did to to to ensure ourselves that we can all play together and that's what we thought we needed to do and so the sacrifice started there man and then you guys know when it comes to basketball

58:07 it's not even about like sacrificing it's about hey we trying to win a championship we trying to accomplish something this is just what needs to be done and as we went through years we figured out who was you know who was ready to take more of a leadership here it was more to take more leadership there who got better in offseason cb start shooting threes now we gotta run threes like so the sacrifice when it came to shots and stuff that was for everybody like lebron probably took less shots than he wanted to take even though he had the ball more he probably took less shots than he wanted or he might have had the ball less than he wanted or he might not have got the ball late in games as much as he wanted we all had to go through that but the the fun in it was actually going through that and and coming out of that and and realizing you can't do something that it seems impossible or what people say

58:54 you can't do or something just it's just hard to do and we all came out of it you know later like man we accomplished that and that was tough obviously the money we talk about the shots the money and everything like that i go back to your commencement speech at you know marquette and you you bring up your own personal one-on-one with your brother where uh lebron we're talking about you know the solitude and kind of you know self-awareness when you're fully giving up your team basically to give lebron and be the leader like that was a big move because when you think about the thousands heat you think about dwyane wade like i said wade county and everything like that and in this day and age most people wouldn't consider doing that you see a lot of guys team up and they've been friends when they were younger and legitimately aren't cool anymore so like for you to be able you know what i'm saying it's happened a few

59:42 times in the past few years yeah so when that came down to it what was the toughest point of tying that around like obviously not saying the ego but your egos involved like endorsements and everything going back the nba was still kind of like a one-man very head honcho type league was before we were really doing a team asset by true you know yeah i mean listen no one around me like no one like my whole team everybody was like why this is wade county like and i was obviously very still good i was a good player still no one really understood why and i can't say that like i had all the answers but what i did know is when you're playing basketball you playing on a team that has you know championship aspirations and they can actually win a championship it's a feeling that you have every day in the locker room the bus rides the plane rides like you feel it you feel when you're part of something special

1:00:40 that first year didn't feel special it felt like we were a bunch of guys that were just got together that were talented they were trying to accomplish something that you know was that we never accomplished together and it was it was hard bro and so after going through that first year for me what i realized is that if we were gonna get to where we really ultimately wanted to the guy that's six nine that can handle that can guard anybody that you know i mean like that can take over games like he had to have freedom to do that and he didn't have it the first year because it still was wade county he was still trying to give me the ball he was still overthinking and we couldn't have him thinking that way we were going to accomplish what we wanted to so immediately my leadership if i was a leader that was the point of my leadership understanding that as a leader you don't always have to let the

1:01:29 lead in the front sometimes you can walk side by side sometimes you need to walk behind it doesn't matter there's so many different ways to lead so what i what i said to myself at that time is we got together and we talked about the scoring titles we talked about the uh the mvps and all-star games and how much those things didn't matter to us anymore the only thing that mattered was actually completing this goal and accomplishing something that as kids we all dream on and so i had to take my ego and i had to check it i didn't leave it i just checked it at the door and i just was like hey it's your show i'll figure it out don't worry about me like one thing i knew is i haven't always been a star like i've been the guy that's played multiple roles on the team so i know i will figure it out i can back up with the best of like i can offensive rebound with the best of them i can get steals with the best of like i can i'm gonna

1:02:17 get myself involved in the game i wasn't one of those players that needed somebody to get me involved so i had some comfort in that as well well we mentioned earlier you're a three-time all-defensive team and you know obviously you're a great two-way player you know speak about the importance of being a two-way player and do you still see that's uh do you think that's a lost art form in this game in this game now i mean do i think so i mean i definitely do i mean i'm not out there so i can't say how hard it is to guard this guy yeah yeah but it is really defense is just effort it's just commitment right it's just it's just extra effort and for me i was just i mean from jack fitzgerald to tom crean to pat riley like that was just embedded in me that you had to be you know you were going to be the leader you're going to be the star player it was an example that you got to set and it wasn't just on one end

1:03:06 it was on both ends of the floor it was off the court it was in the locker room so for me it was no other choice like could i guard a guy for 40 minutes and still give you 40 no that wasn't my role but i'm gonna do my job throughout the game and then those last five to seven minutes i got you like i can lock up you know i can make it hard on me so i just think it's just it's just effort bro it's just really understanding that your teammates is watching everything you do as a leader right and if your teammates watch you go down there and you can score 50 and you can get 10 assists on that other end but you don't make the effort on this end then you lose respect right right right you cannot lose respect in your locker room as a leader if you're trying to accomplish something you know that's that's way bigger than you and so for me i didn't want to lose the respect of the guys that that that i never felt that i

1:03:51 was above like i never felt that was above my teammates because i have a little bit more offensive talent we all i saw us all on training camp first day running lines together yeah all right as hell together all lifting each other off the floor so i've always understood the importance of the team sport aspect and the individual accomplishments and accolades come from team success and that's just the way that i roll it's something i've never i've never heard you or any of you all speak you know the big three speak on in terms of scrutiny and i think it may have started with you guys i mean you had a whole network build a headquarter down there you know espn set up shops in miami i remember that you know that that never quite happened you know what i mean like they had people moving down there for you like a crew dedicated to you that was the first time that crews were dedicated to a certain team like there was a crew

1:04:39 dedicated to the warriors and now is the crew dedicated to the lakers dedicated to brooklyn but you you were the first in that did you you know lebron's statement on not one not two not three you know that's a lot of excitement in that like i get all that like we were doing the same thing but i don't think we understood you know the other side the hate that was coming with all that how are you guys able to one process it all and you know there's no way you could prepare for it and just walk me through the psychology of going through that constantly like you know you guys were a road show it was just constant coverage and you know how were you able to you know i know it's heat culture and i know you know spo and pat you're locked in i lived that but i don't think anyone quite understands the psychology when you have to deal with individuals every single day trying to figure out a way to creep through and

1:05:32 i think they enjoy seeing us fail and they feel like they have a part of it like i said something that bothered d wade i said something that bothered lebron i got a moment through this and just having to deal with that every day yeah i mean it was like you said i think at that time that was the first time that we've seen it in our game and maybe they had him in la with the lakers in the new game that was the first time we experienced it like literally it was a heat watch right lebron james had orange juice at 9 18. yes it was literally like everything we did and you know yeah we're like we thought it was cool right you know this is cool like we're we're young guys out here we're young we're rich we're famous we're playing the sport that we love like this was cool and then the other side steps in you know the haitian side you know decide that like everything you do even if you ain't done it they make it

1:06:21 like it's like people say stuff about you and you like wait i didn't do that right me lebron never had that conversation like you just watch people meddle right that's what they're like grandma's calling stop meddling throwing our business and it wasn't even a business it was tough man but what about what i love to say is i felt that that's where he culture comes in right yes it's because spo rhymes like our entire coaching staff they preach what was important to us and the message was always it's bigger than us like right it was always it wasn't about the now it was about the the right now the 20 the 10 years the 20 years the 15 years removed like we're we're doing something that's that's for our legacies for our families legacies like we can't be so into the into what people are saying about us now because this is what we're doing what we're embarking on is about the future and it's bigger than

1:07:18 who is bigger than an individual and so we all had that that that mentality that you know it doesn't matter what they said about me him or her like we all together that's why you see me and lebron show up at press conferences together my first year because we were together if he had a good game back game yeah we were talking questions at the same time as leaders for our team win lose a draw and so that was just kind of our mentality it's like we showing up together it doesn't matter what people say about it but i won't say it wasn't hard that first year we we were like we played outside of ourselves we were like we wanted to like they were calling us these big bad people so we wanted to be we wanted to be those people we walk around with that wow like we are the villains we we're not we're not villains right we walked around with that like you know what we villains so let's step into that

1:08:03 let's step into that role and it was just not a fun year playing basketball trying to be a villain when you know like we all want everybody to love our style of play we want them to love you know the things we stand for and what we do in the communities et cetera right and everything we did was wrong at that time and so it was a very tough year definitely yeah we just spoke on that during that time because you guys kind of got like the reputation like prima donnas and whatever else occurs and it's like man whatever you say these these [ __ ] play hard they play hard hard so i don't know where prima donna whatever else is but they're not telling us the truth because they play hard i remember like these dudes like you said play like everyone got a dollar in their pocket it's like one of the most unbelievable things i said bro this is a highest level and these dudes are playing hard so i mean much respect to you i know

1:08:52 that was a tough time but we noticed it for sure you know so pass all that obviously um you know prior to that and take us to the top 75 nba time 75 yeah you obviously hell of a reward with some of the best players ever to do it you know a lot of uh chicago chicago people you know that was able to make that list but definitely i was hyped to see you make it because obviously you're you know a big big time player growing for me growing up probably one of the most humbling individual moments of my career and i didn't know it i didn't know what was going to be like i said i've never really been you know we all want to do well individually but i've never like played sports for the individual right i've always played from what i fell in love with it was the team aspect and and i've always been okay with like not getting award like somewhat like i remember when i was trying to get evp one year and i was i was going off for

1:09:45 defensive player of the year the same year in oak and i came in third in both of them then i came then i was on like second team all defense and i was like wait a minute i came in third and defensive player of the year and i'm on second team all day yeah i was like you know what these awards don't mean like these are more stupid they don't make sense so that was the only year where i jumped back into the individual because i was coming off the injury and like i want to prove something to the world and myself in oa and then they just proved to me again that individual wars meant nothing and so the 75 was probably the first time since then that i like really cared about something individually and i remember being like steph and i when we were about to walk out with the guards at the back it was jordan it was magic it was supposed to be kobe it was steph and it was and steph and i sitting there like we're

1:10:39 hitting each other like little kids yeah that's mikey magic like like we feel in the moment like as we as they call the names out you hearing you know carmelo anthony lebron james kareem abdul-jabbar like it's getting real yeah so for me man and i said this before like when you put everything into something and you put everything into the sport that we all have been playing since we've been kids and you guys know the the work that goes into this that nobody will ever know and ever experience and how hard it is and when you were able to walk away from the game you've moved on and it since like i i died and went to basketball heavy like i failed into basketball in heaven when it was over and that's what the top 75 felt like i was previewed to conversations that uh like that i've never been previewed to with some of my favorite players interacting not interacting whatever the case may be and

1:11:33 bro i was just sitting there like a kid i didn't have none of my family there like that was literally a selfish moment for me where i didn't want to have to worry about getting pictures for nobody with somebody else or i just wanted to embrace it and just you know indulge myself into the moment and i was able to do that man this it will always be one of the special moments of my career that's beautiful and you know we talk about player ownership a lot you know in our discussions and you sort of become the poster boy of you know how the process i guess is supposed to you know go down it was interesting it was a place like utah and we've had ryan on uh it was one of our favorite conversations because he just kept it real his journey was amazing what he's been able to build with his family he's been amazing and then obviously i've met him a few times before he was the owner so i know what type of person you're dealing with but

1:12:22 you know just kind of walk us through what that process was like and then did it happen sooner than you thought you know was it one of your you know ultimate goals and you know just how you were feeling through the whole thing yeah i mean i think as a as a player you know we all would love to continue our relationship within the game of basketball and in a perfect world we all would love to be a part of ownership right because it seems like you've reached the highest in the sport as a player now what's the highest outside of that as a businessman and that's that's ownership and so it was always like something i was hopeful of but it definitely wasn't something that i felt like that that i felt was coming and so i was actually on a call with another team around the time that i got a chance to talk to ryan and it was really for me just really honest trying to understand what it even meant to be a part of the ownership

1:13:10 group right we think we know until you get inside and like oh this is way different than i thought but this world works on relationships man you know i was uh a couple years ago before i took ownership into jazz i did a camp in san clemente called uh the invite where i was invited players in the nba up we were training together both on the court off the court we're talking about business uh bringing different people in from business uh you know businesses around the world to talk to guys all this and ryan was one of the guys that came up and so we just we built a relationship we gall together you know how many relationships um that you build on the golf course and they're just and they're not built for hey let's do business together right they're connected yeah you know yeah and once you stay connected with people you realize that it's a lot of like-minded you know you guys are like-minded in a

1:14:03 certain way and y'all just connect and so ryan and i just connected from that standpoint and so when i got the call because a mutual friend who is a mutual friend of oz clark clark menstock ryan and thought that we would be great partners together when ryan got the ownership and i remember kind of uh blowing clark off a little bit like bro it's utah bro i'm like i have no like that only makes sense to me right and i wasn't thinking about even getting ownership i was just really trying to figure out like what was the next steps for me if i had just signed with tnt i just got into tv and ryan's suited my house he's like bro can he fly up and i was like cool so like you know this this guy who's this billionaire that was flying into my home like this means something right right so i i sit down with him i have dinner with him and we just have an amazing conversation it wasn't all about the jazz a lot of that was about i see i see

1:14:54 ryan's passing for his state right i see this pastor from utah i saw his passion for you know kind of you know i ain't gonna say change but evolution i see the passion for evolution um i've seen an opportunity to grow with a business partner it's what you know as a young entrepreneur man you want to be able to to grow with someone in this space and ryan was 41 years old i was 39 at the time uh other part the other partners in the utah jazz was around the same age 41 and 42 and so i looked at it as an opportunity to actually grow with business partners as well and ryan and i talked about that we didn't just talk about the jazz we talked about other things that we can accomplish together we can do together um and we've been doing those things so for me man it was a amazing opportunity for me to to get with uh what partners like you know ryan um and our other partnership group just to learn this business you know i mean

1:15:44 learn the business of entrepreneurship like in a big way and not just you know having your your people on the calls and then they send you an email about what they talked about it's really hands-on yeah and i got a chance to deal with some guys who i like who i would hang out with on the normal like you know like you would call for ryan yeah we all hang out on a normal day but you know somebody i respect so much from what he's building what his family has built with qualtrics and everything that he's trying to accomplish in utah so i just i i believe in people and i bet on people and um i just better go all right and his family folks would love to know you know how you've been able to establish yourself as a part owner in terms of you know your roles and what you want to tackle around the team whether it be through building culture because you've seen it from every aspect in terms of the game

1:16:30 of basketball you played at the highest levels you accomplish everything's at the high level at every level talk to us about you know how you're easing your way into and what's your sweet spot in terms of building help building the organization yeah so a lot of people think that i hired that i can give them jobs i need i just changed my number recently i mean text messages well we've been talking about that we had willie green on and then we had uh nico harrison on and we were talking about uh how many phone calls you get once that news hits that you've in this position and they feel like you can just hire any and everybody yeah and it is amazing from a coaching standpoint from a gm standpoint and then now we're on the owner's standpoint a family standpoint the family members think that it's working for utah anybody you could think of from the standpoint of like i can provide a job or you know i can get opportunities and

1:17:25 i understand it right we all need relationships and people in certain places sometimes crack a door before it's like i get all that but it it definitely has been like i don't want this smoke you know what i mean like i don't do the hiring and the firemen that's not like i think people think because you're a part of ownership like i'm not that's not my role right and so ryan and i both when we got together in this and i didn't know what my role was going to be uh we were just going to like we were just figuring it out he had just became owner of the governor of the team six months before i even came in and so we were kind of like in this together learning on the fly and so you know we we knew very early that what we didn't want to do is we didn't want to put a basketball team together we didn't want to be responsible for you know who's traded who's fired who's hired like we wanted to build a team

1:18:16 and you know around build a team to be able to do that and so one of my strengths is understanding what it takes to build a successful team right is being a leader like that's one of my strengths as well like i got a chance i've won three championships i've i've been a part of of teams i've been a part of leading teams and so i know my strengths and once we was able to bring in danny ainge and we was able to you know to keep justin zenit who you know has a all these guys have a lot of experience in basketball ign was a agent 15 years before he was a gm you know danny ainge has been around the game 45 years right uh phys has been from video room all the way up to head coach of the knicks and the lakers like he's had so much experience winning championships in miami so we wanted to build a team around us that can handle you know the day-to-day right that can handle all the things that we're not good at and allow

1:19:05 for his strengths and my strengths to just be you know and so i mean i'm actually enjoying being a part of this group you know as we all learn each other as we all grow we just hired a 34 year old coach in will hardy right from boston so it's a lot of it's a lot of uh it's a lot of growth that needs to happen with all of us and so it's cool to be able to be a part of a group that we're all starting together starting over together and you know we have an opportunity to create you know what we want to see in a sense and so that's the fun part of this perfect last fun part obviously i know you got the ownership and everything but what i've always uh admired about you is you know how you are as a father and how you know z-wade you know you got him you teaching him and everything how has that been in regards to you know having part of g-l-e-t team and kind of like you know molding him and teaching him i think he's been

1:19:58 getting a lot of valuable you know playing everything from that situation has that been fun for you as well yeah it's been it's been a it's been fun it's been stressful yeah oh man my son is on his journey just like everyone else you know and um it sucks because he's my son and everyone expects them to be like me right everyone's expects going to be a three-time you know champion and 13th time also like immediately right and they're not you know it's hard because they don't allow you to go through your growth you know journey yeah so he don't allow himself sometimes either because he expects it to and so you know as a as a parent one you want to give opportunities to your kids right you want to get resources you work hard for those um but at the same time you want to you want to allow your kids to be able to you know to to feel like they've earned it as well and so it's definitely like last year

1:20:49 was a tough year for zaire and i as father son as he's trying to figure out like you know what's the next stage for him is he running to adulthood is he jumping into adulthood and he's trying to accomplish his dreams as i'm trying to do the same thing and so he got an opportunity last year you know to play in the g league at utah and it was all about you know just trying to get him to to understand the game at a professional level younger and send them to college with all the things that's going on because i love college i hate that he missed out on that experience but the temperature of the world when zaire came out of sierra canyon it changed we was in the pandemic right they opened up where you could everybody can transfer and it just was a yeah it was a scene that just wasn't playing from high school to g-league and all that yeah yeah and so you know and but at the end of the day he's still on his

1:21:37 basketball journey i don't know where the journey is going to go he don't know where the journey is going to go only thing i tell him and just like i didn't know where mine was going to go but what i did know is i knew that hard work was going to take me wherever i was going to go and so right now for him man it's just about him you know working hard at this game continue to try to understand the game continue to have uh you know not a big ego understanding that he has to get better that he can get better as long as he's willing to put the work into that it's a long journey you don't have to end and with the number one pick you know this team selects our way your journey can be is yours it's custom to you and so you know as long as he alone for the ride and he's willing to put the work in you know he he gonna level out somewhere that you know he should but i will also say this is this is my uh et energy

1:22:23 ain't nothing wrong with being born on third base no because i'm saying all that because you know we were players in the league and we were always you know we would see who was in management positions who was in you know who were the governors and who was next in line to take over their shares and you know uh we always talk about generational wealth and how it's passed down but it's weird because i don't feel like we talk about it the same in the same sentiment as african-american men like we want to tell our kids you know you got to get it out the mud like i got it out the mud or you know the reason why you didn't quite make it is because you didn't have the upbringing that i had so i got to get you to be tough and it's i have to remind myself sometimes like i built all these things i think i just put my son in a position to be able to be who he can be and he can be successful in what i've helped

1:23:10 build for myself and pass it along to him so i think it's just amazing what you've been building and you know uh this would be my advice to zaire and then even to brony and in you know cayenne you know all our kids are on the same age and you know my son lil dre is son i just bought something and you can run it just be ready to run it when the time is right you know what i mean because that's what they've been doing you know we always laugh about you know you were born on third base yeah you really you just had a base hit you didn't hit a triple you born on third yeah but i mean you've you've gotten all these different tentacles that you've been able to you know expand and be able to touch and um i think another play that's been getting a lot of talk about lately is you know like tom brady just signed a 10-year 304 75 million dollar deal in 0.5 right and to be a analyst you know what i mean and

1:23:59 you're excelling at it and that's you know one of the places that you've been able to have success in because i think you're well respected you know we don't see too many hot takes from ubc respect it takes from you but was that something that you always wanted to do or you know um how did you grow into wanting to be a that to be a part of kind of your your brand or your your legacy to be an analyst and then how hard is it for you to give constructive criticism to you know the players that you're watching yeah um going back to z like we talked about getting out of the mud he's not getting that much he's getting out of the sand he got me you know i mean like unfortunately like we god has blessed us with ain't no mud right

1:24:49 and that's okay you just got to be okay with you know what i'm saying play your cards play your hand everyone's always looking at someone else's name play yours your hand is pretty damn good if you're actually looking right yeah man so when it comes to tv it's something that i said i would never do and this is one another thing where you shouldn't say what you won't do like i tried it throughout my basketball career like i enjoyed it like i always enjoy going to the tnt studio or you know one day i was on tv and i hosted with kelly live and you know live with kelly and i've done so many different things just to see if i sucked at it or not right and once i retired i was like all right guys i don't want to do tv i don't want to talk sports i don't want to be one of those players that's on tv talking [ __ ] about the other players like you know i don't want to be that person and i didn't know what what the next

1:25:35 step was neither and tnt was some people i was familiar with with tara and jack and charles and ernie and canvas and you know so i was familiar with those guys and i just decided to try it i said you know what i'll give it a three-year run to see if there's something that uh you know that i can do and i can try and i did that and i felt throughout the process i did have i did i was editing myself a lot and it wasn't all because of just the players like i had gotten ownership in this process there's certain things i couldn't say right you know around free agency time it's hard to be an owner up there talking about talking about the state of the nba yeah and so it was it was a lot of a lot of juggling going on and but one thing i did like about this one is the microphone right it's like you guys have a microphone i have a microphone and we have a responsibility with that microphone and what i loved about is

1:26:26 that anything that i could you know think of anything that was anything that was going on in the world you had immediate you know you know echo or microphone to be able to send it out to the world or any point that i wanted to say on a team on a player i can say those things so i try to approach it the way that i that i care best i don't know what my tv future looks like but i definitely know that you know it's there it's always a part of the brand it's something that i enjoy doing i'm just that person that's trying to find like what's next for me right like i did that like now i'm like what's next um i'm not dre i'm not one of those hot tape guys i don't know how it takes for me like you know i mean like from that standpoint right but i love the game like i love the way that jj ready you know and cj i love the way they talk the game i love the way that drake can talk the game i'm more of a person that i would love

1:27:15 to pick up the phone and talk to guys more so not want to be on tv talking to guys or about guys i'm a mentor i'm the guy you know i mean i'm that guy you're sitting on the sideline but i'm got a jazz shirt or not you can talk to me about business you can talk to me about what what i need to do in that game like i'm going to help you the best way i can right to my experiences and so tv was a little hard juggle for me i can't lie but it was definitely great to sit next to like candace and shaq and then adam adam who's now been invited to all black cookouts like levco is a dope individual so i appreciated the platform i just want to make sure like if i do tv again i want to make sure like i'm a businessman too i want to make sure that it's strategically like or why i'm doing tv i'm not just on there being a talking head but i'm actually there to accomplish something so i just kind of went in without a plan

1:28:05 and um three years later i'm kind of like okay now i need to sit back and see like what will my tv plan be if i continue so you're talking about mentoring players obviously you have the you know the donovan mitchell you guys are super close but recently dre had a take where he brought up a young player named anthony edwards and he compared him to you but he also said he think he might be more talented than than you at the same age to a certain extent uh you know who's some of your favorite players you see who's who's out there where you know you're like man this is besides the usual like the d-wade and everything who's certain players you'd like to click on and watch strictly from basketball not no on not being a governor and we don't want to get another governor fine yeah um well you know what like i'm glad you brought up man so i actually met in when uh he went to georgia so i'm tom gray my my college

1:28:54 coach when he went and actually my son was up to an unofficial visit and aunt was as well this is before he skipped his senior season to go right to college and our coach was watching film with him and with zaire and i and all those things and like i was like damn this kid is talented you know what i mean like washington he looked like he had a lebron body in high school right and so just while following him in georgia and following his early career like i'm with i'm with you know egg it's like this kid is very very talented and i'm six four he's about what six seven six eight no he's not that tall he's only like six three and a half i thought i thought no i thought he was taking you like six no five dre six four he's six four 6'4 when i played him in the season i heard he grew again so i'm expecting to see you know a kid that's looking me eye to eye or above and i'm looking down on him and i'm

1:29:47 bro you're only six four you didn't grow that much he was like nah who said i grew up he's 6'4 and that's what makes it crazier the kid came at me full speed one time and he did it in and out and there was absolutely nothing i could do i'm like it's time for me to wrap it up this kid he's different i mean he's like you when he can change those directions and he can split pick and rolls and then he's explosive coming out of it it's insane and i love it all he all he needs is teeny two months of miami basketball and it's overweight he needs two months of the culture and it's over oh my god that kid's got it he got it man he could shoot it too i'm not sensitive to someone saying that a guy is like dude or it could be better than you like that's what it's about bro it's about like we see players before like my game came from jordan kobe and iris it was just a remix of all those guys every game was probably a remix of

1:30:38 mine and kobe and this guy and so like job job game is a mix of a lot of a lot of small guards like you can see me and him you can see iris you see a lot of you know explosive guards so for me man like the game from a talent standpoint like you love tuning in and watching young guys of course who doesn't want to see john moran you know play who doesn't want to see everest play you know who doesn't want to you know want to be able to follow their their journey and their rise like who does who doesn't want to watch luca like if you love basketball you want to watch luca play every every night yeah yeah he loves uga oh luca he does everything like watch them in person it's way better watching them on tv sorry true story yeah he's the he's a he's that guy right and so like the game from a talent standpoint and the top players in our game is so it's it's at such a an elite level from time right we know the game has changed we

1:31:32 know it's different than what we played and all that but the talent level is like it's beautiful to watch from that standpoint so i mean i'm i'm i'm just a fan like i don't like i don't sit there like oh i'm better than him or i don't do none of those things because like those guys got opportunity to see me just like i got opportunity to people before me and so like yeah they should be better at the euro step by now they should have added something differently you know what i'm saying well they reject should be better than my rejection like you got a chance to watch it and and then so yeah man i just think the talent level in the nba is just it's at an extreme rate right now well we appreciate the time man we don't want to hold you up we know you got a million tentacles out there you just being able to go out there and and make it uh the most out of the opportunities that you've been able to build for

1:32:17 yourself which is which is always why we we've always revered you and held you at high levels because this guy he really made the most out of his career and we talk about what's the point of it all it's just maximizing who you are and i think you've done that better than anybody in nba history so i appreciate you for being you know somebody we can look up to you know somebody that can motivate us somebody to inspire us and you know i always i don't throw your name around light lightly so i know what anthony edwards can do and and hopefully he picks up the intangibles because that's the biggest difference you know you have those intangibles that you don't see from elite players and he just said that you know playing against the heat these ain't no prima donnas these boys play hard so um appreciate you coming on tell the family we said hello and uh godspeed wishing you nothing but the best with the organization and

1:33:03 everything else you got going on yeah yeah i appreciate you once again d wade and tell mrs wade thank you for all her work to the universe i always appreciate it and uh man we appreciate like like i said man you guys got them you guys both have a microphone and i think as a a course is big and it's important in sport right from a from a player's standpoint like dre said the new media but it's also important in in life in the world so we all have that and um you know i appreciate you guys using that that microphone and like you know and saying what it is y'all feel you know it's honest to being honest so keep it going man you know i hope to i hope to sit down with you guys again and talk about some more wins and maybe even some nails and uh on the next one bro for sure

1:33:57 and that's it for this episode of point forward for andre iguodala i'm evan turner appreciate everyone for dropping in with us please rate subscribe and share you

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