DTN Podcast Ep 51 Your Pain Is Your Genius | Shadow Work, Trauma & Metanoia with Steven Twohig

What this episode is about

In this discussion, Steven Twohig explores the transformative power of shadow work and the importance of confronting and embracing our trauma, emphasizing that our struggles can lead to profound personal growth. He shares insights from his extensive experience in spiritual development and business consulting, illustrating how acknowledging our inner challenges can foster deeper healing and transformation.

Key takeaways

• True healing is dancing with your shadow, not just running from it—who knew therapy could be a tango?
• Your 'mess' could actually be the message—turns out the chaotic parts of us have the best stories.
• Unlocking your mind means diving deep; consciousness isn't just a surface-level gig—it's an ocean down there!
• Admitting your inner child's still in there is the ultimate power move—embrace the tantrum, don't hide it!
• Meet your shadows for tea; sometimes the wisest insights come from the parts we least want to face.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Jim Allstat (Host) · 25 min speaking
• Steven Tuig (Guest) · 37 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 10:00: Jim Alott, metaninoia, Steven Tuig, Iawaska
2. 10:00 – 20:00: metaninoia, Tony Robbins, AI, Turning Within: Reclaiming Your Soul from Shadow
3. 20:00 – 30:00: Iawaska
4. 30:00 – 40:00: Luke Bryan, Drink a Beer
5. 40:00 – 50:00: AI, Luke Bryan
6. 50:00 – 1:00:00: 46 and 2, Eagles, Tool, Amber Run

Notable quotes from "DTN Podcast Ep 51 Your Pain Is Your Genius | Shadow Work, Trauma & Metanoia with Steven Twohig"

• Welcome to the Drop the Needle podcast, your backstage pass to the mystical realm. I'm your host, Jim Alott, and here, gifted souls step up to the mic, sharing their spiritual…

  about Jim Alott · at 0:04

• And he wrote a book called Turning Within: Reclaiming Your Soul from Shadow. But here's what grabbed me.

  about Steven Tuig · at 1:24

• Well, Robert Fritz says that the mind takes the path of least resistance. The problem is we haven't gone down into the very bedrock of the flow of the river and what kind of makes it move the.

  about Robert Fritz · at 4:34

• I will take the blame. so let's talk about the metaninoia concept.

  about metaninoia · at 11:00

• And she said, Well, if you had the ability to go to a Luke Bryan concert, would you rather go to that? I said, Have you talked to Valerie? And she said, No. I said, You need to call.

  about Luke Bryan · at 33:29

• Two layers deep. We need them to go a third layer. And I'm here to tell you, Jim, every single person before Penny is replaceable now by AI. We've got that guy. We're being…

  about AI · at 46:44

• Yeah, I do. I do. I'm I'm a big fan of that. The Eagles version and I'm also a big fan of Travis Trit's version.

  about Eagles · at 50:24

• Yeah, we would now shift into Tulle 46 and two. distinctly remember the Yeah, it was a very dark time in my life. so drug ridden like again I come from a just and I remember it.

  about 46 and 2 · at 52:54

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Steven Tuig — Person · Main guest · 1 mention · first at 1:02
  Guest shares his shadow-work framework, personal trauma history, and how he applies deep inner work to business and spiritual transformation.
• Jim Alott — Person · Host · 2 mentions · first at 0:09
  Introduces the show and guides the interview, steering discussion toward metaninoia, shadow work, business, AI, and music.
• Tony Robbins — Person · Referenced mentor/employer · 3 mentions · first at 1:05
  Central reference point for Steven's training and career; Steven describes working for Robbins for ~14–15 years and scaling Business Mastery events.
  Steven Tuig started his shadow work journey after childhood trauma. He studied under Tony Robbins for a decade and somehow figured out how to blend deep spiritual work with strategic business consulting. He's worked with.
• Luke Bryan — Person · Referenced musician (story example) · 3 mentions · first at 32:29
  Appears in a metaphor/story about manifestation, concert experience, and collective 'lights coming on' as an image for awakening.
• Robert Fritz — Person · Referenced expert · 1 mention · first at 4:34
  Cited for the idea that the mind takes the path of least resistance, supporting Steven's argument about repetitive thought patterns.
• Terrence McKenna — Person · Referenced thinker · 1 mention · first at 12:10
  Referenced for an idea about accelerating novelty over time, used to frame the urgency of transformation.
  Everything is getting faster. And what used to take Terrence McKenna called it I think it was zero point. But the amount of novelty that happened every thousand years is now happening about every hundred. And what happened.
• Sir Mix a Lot — Person · Referenced musician (youth identity) · 1 mention · first at 51:52
  Mentioned in the context of breakdancing and teenage music culture, illustrating Steven's life soundtrack.
  That. It would have been that Belv big Belb Bib Devo used to back then I was break dancing and so it was Sir Mix a Lot and did you bring cardboard with you in the Hey, that's not funny, man. Me and my buddy used to go up and sit on the.

Books & papers

• Turning Within: Reclaiming Your Soul from Shadow — Book · Guest's book / referenced source · 1 mention · first at 11:14
  Steven cites the book as where he explains metaninoia and shares stories and frameworks central to his approach.
  And he wrote a book called Turning Within: Reclaiming Your Soul from Shadow. But here's what grabbed me.

Companies & orgs

• Fortune 100 — Company · Referenced client category · 1 mention · first at 1:15
  Used to signal the scale of Steven's consulting work, contrasting corporate clients with spiritual/ceremony contexts.
  And somehow figured out how to blend deep spiritual work with strategic business consulting. He's worked with everyone from Fortune 500 companies to people coming off of Iawaska ceremonies.

Products & tech

• AI — Product · Core topic / forcing function · 2 mentions · first at 13:44
  Used as a catalyst argument: AI accelerates novelty and will replace protocol-driven roles, forcing humans toward deeper consciousness and presence.

Concepts & topics

• metaninoia — Concept · Core topic · 5 mentions · first at 1:47
  Framed as 'total change at the structural level' and used to describe the kind of deep transformation Steven aims to catalyze personally and collectively.
• Iawaska — Concept · Referenced practice/medicine · 2 mentions · first at 1:20
  Steven describes seeking ayahuasca in Orlando, sitting with the medicine, and later serving as an integration director for years.
  Business consulting. He's worked with everyone from Fortune 500 companies to people coming off of Iawaska ceremonies.

Media & podcasts

• 46 and 2 — Media · Referenced song (shadow-work exemplar) · 2 mentions · first at 52:54
  Used as a direct pointer to shadow work; Steven later connects it to 'chromosome' symbolism and personal transformation.
• Tool — Media · Referenced music (shadow resonance) · 1 mention · first at 52:54
  Tool's '46 and 2' is framed as a quintessential 'shadow' song that resonated with Steven during a dark period.
  Understand what it was but some part of me felt the depth of that song and if you've never played go sit if you want to hear a song about shadow tool 46 and two and I would…
• Eagles — Media · Referenced music (early influence) · 2 mentions · first at 50:01
  Their song 'Take It Easy' is Steven's first radio love memory tied to childhood road trips with his father.
• Drink a Beer — Media · Referenced song (metaphor trigger) · 1 mention · first at 34:50
  Song performed at the Luke Bryan concert that sets up the 'lights in the dark' metaphor for collective awakening.
  End of the night and it's the end of the night and the lights go down and Luke pulls out this piano and he starts to sing that song Drink a Beer.
• Amber Run — Media · Referenced music (positive state anchor) · 1 mention · first at 55:17
  Steven cites 'Pilot' as a song that helps him hold humility and belonging—"part of something bigger."
  That I tried to go it's like I this my ego wants to be very shiny here right but pilot by Amber Run have you ever heard that song I have not he says I don't want to be I don't want to be I don't want to be.
• Collective Soul — Media · Referenced music (positive state anchor) · 1 mention · first at 55:50
  Their song 'Shine' is named as a track that lifts Steven's state and supports his discussion of music as emotional technology.
  That. I can see the structure of it. And then I went with Collective Soul Shine would be the other one.

Full transcript with timestamps

0:04 Welcome to the Drop the Needle podcast, your backstage pass to the mystical realm. I'm your host, Jim Alott, and here, gifted souls step up to the mic, sharing their spiritual journey. We're hitting the high notes and the low notes of their awakening, creating a symphony of enlightenment. This isn't just another interview show. This is where divine insights are channeled and universal truths are revealed. So, crank up your stereo and sit back because who knows, this just might help you compose the next transformative chapter of your soul's purpose. Are you ready? Let's go.

0:38 Hi everyone and welcome to the Drop the Needle podcast. I'm your host Jim Allstat and I am so happy you all decided to join us. You know that part of yourself you try to keep locked in the basement? The angry one, the scared one, the one that reminds you of your worst moments? Yeah, that one. Well, today's guest has spent over 20 years not just talking to those parts, but inviting them to dinner. Steven Tuig started his shadow work journey after childhood trauma. He studied under Tony Robbins for a decade and somehow figured out how to blend deep spiritual work with strategic business consulting. He's worked with everyone from Fortune 500 companies to people coming off of Iawaska ceremonies.

1:24 and he wrote a book called Turning Within: Reclaiming Your Soul from Shadow. But here's what grabbed me. Steven doesn't pretend he's all healed and enlightened. He straight up admits he's still got a traumatized three-year-old trapped in his body who can show up any time. He calls himself a soul friend and describes his work as chasing metaninoia, and that means complete spiritual transformation, but with coffee in hand. So, if you've ever wondered whether your biggest mess might actually be your greatest message, or if you're curious what happens when you stop running from your shadow and start dancing with it instead, stick around.

2:07 This conversation's about to get real. Welcome, my brother. How are you doing? Doing great, man. How are you doing? I'm very well and I'm so glad we are here together today because we've got so much to talk about. And one of the first things I would say is if if you're okay, um I'd like you to maybe give a just a brief description of yourself, what you do, and then I'm gonna start digging into it a little bit deeper, especially the metaninoia concept. So fire away.

2:44 Thank you, brother. So what I do and and I want to be very clear that um people spend years working with me trying to understand some of it and most of the stuff that I do at a at a basic level can take at least a weekend just to kind of embed. So I'm going to attempt to jump across all that and and and give a a structure. Everybody that's listening in your mind right now, in your mind, just say the word hello. And there they are. and they don't ever shut up. And you're floating down the river of the story called you and the boat called now. And you've always been in that river and you've always been in the boat called now. Now your mind is anywhere but now imagine on the on the on the surface of that water. Imagine there's an infinite number of boats that you can be in at in any given time.

3:29 There's 14 trillion things you can be doing at any given moment. You can be anywhere you want. The the boat that is you is more than just the boat. There's all these different thoughts that are always and you're on the surface of this water and it's just cluttered with all these thoughts. Just thoughts everywhere. There's all these different boats, little constructs of meaning that are all interacting with each other. And we think that we're just the surface. That's just not true. Then you have the subconscious. Well, what does hello mean? H E L L O. You didn't have to learn that sound. Everybody say hello.

4:02 You knew intrinsically. You knew what hello meant. You didn't have to reassociate to the sound. That thought is the subconscious. It's the the structure of meaning that you know that presents to you like a like a like a simulation. The the presentation that you're experiencing and then you have all the water. Most people call that unconscious. I like to call that the deep conscious because everything down there is moving in a very specific way. It's alive. It's anything but asleep. Well, Robert Fritz says um that the mind takes the path of least resistance. The problem is we haven't gone down into the into the very bedrock of the flow of the river and what kind of makes it move the way it does. And we all have these uh stories that we've told ourselves that the part of me that's in the boat doesn't want to hear. I don't want to hear that I'm not good enough. I don't want to hear that you're not going to

4:59 love me. I don't want to hear that. And so what I do is I project that out into the everyday world and try to avoid that thing that I don't want to happen that some part of me underneath the water is projecting onto the top of the water. Most people spend their lives chasing something outside of themselves to solve a signal that's happening underneath the water. my work goes underneath the water and basically retunes and recalibrates that signal. So I stop chasing the thing that is causing the thing that's chasing the thing that's these loops and cycles of suffering and trauma that we all experience.

5:37 I've been doing that for 25 years. I've been chasing uh it's different different context chasing the dragon so to speak.

5:45 Gotcha. Gotcha. Yeah. So, I was thinking about when you're uh the the friend I was like, "Oh, maybe you should start maybe you should change that to the scuba diver because you're going under the water there and

6:00 doing a little uh doing a little underwater work there." No, that's that's um that's some big big stuff because that's where real change starts to occur when you can be present and you know mindful moments and just examine it in the now because you're right. Well, of course you're right. You're an expert in this area. I mean it's uh it's crazy how we get stuck and what what was it like 85% of our thoughts or something like that maybe even higher are the same thoughts each and every day so

6:41 well it's a little higher than that right 87 so the national science foundation suggests just think and this is a subjective awareness just look past call it your emotional home we can call it your default mindset just call it the identity you live out of. Just go back and look at your week. Go back and look at your month. Go back and look at your year. 95% of the thoughts you think are repetitive. So you have,

7:05 holy Yeah. Yeah. Right. Just look at you've been thinking the same thing week after week after week. You've been navigating from the same internal construct of reality week after week. 95% and the reason is simple. It takes over uh it takes over 20% of your caloric intake to to process the mind, the brain. That's a lot. more than any other organ. And so the mind, you have the thought, the new thought, which is a new concept, new idea, which is a very limited amount. But then you have old thoughts. These are thoughts that have already been thought. They're more efficient. So the primary directive of the mind is to create, navigate meaning, and then it goes and it evolves that meaning. And then third, which is a hijacking. We've been hijacked to survive.

7:47 87% of the 95% of the thoughts, go back and look at your weeks. Everybody that's listening, go back and look at your weeks, your months, your years, and notice that you're maintaining circumstance. Most people don't build the ideal. Most people manage the circumstance. And that circumstance has been handed by somebody that's been handed by somebody that's been hand all the way back 13.5 billion years. And it's like, well, hold on a minute. Where are you navigating from? Like, what is the idea that carries you? We find that most of those ideas are I need to solve this problem which is one type of thought or this is what I want. This is the thing that I'm yearning for. Most people don't design the ideal. Most people manage circumstance. About 87% of the thoughts that we think are survival rooted attack thoughts, negative bias, confirmation bias. Right.

8:35 Yeah. Yeah. That's the number. It's 87%. Yes. That 87% has got to be a survival instinct. That's so you you brought it right up.

8:43 It is. Is so when you're talking about those thoughts going back in in eons. So is that then belief systems and then patterns that occur from that or is it patterns then beliefs

9:02 or does it really matter which came from? Yeah. Well, what is a belief? So we start to get underneath the water. We start to talk about archetypes. We start to talk about symbols. we start to talk about because the mind craves patterns and like for example the third facet of a construct of meaning is story which is the flow. How is this going to end up? Okay.

9:20 And most of us have been taught to orient our existence through the egoic hero's journey which is the the we go down we we go into the darkness. We we go through trials and tribulations. We we fight the big ordeal. We get the the the the miness that is the experience that is the new awareness of who we really are and then we bring that back to the tribe and we cycle through that. That's the that's been the old model but that old that that model is dead. We we need to evolve now past that. Michael me calls it the story of the genius where there's a unique expression that can only come through Jim that can only come through you. You can't you're only floating down the river the story called you. And consciousness is first person perspective. Like if you really think about it, everything that's conscious is always seeing through their through first person. There's no information that's not first. Yeah. And so that

10:15 structure there's a misalignment that thinks that somehow I need we become aware of that and now the question becomes what is this for?

10:23 It's time to wake up to the fact that Jim, you're a genius. You're God having a human expression and and what does that mean? Because if we don't come to that because of AI, because of limitless energy, because of because of because of because because because because of the wonderful things it does, we we have to come to some kind of awareness of who we are as a creator because we're not going to be able to continue to move forward. It's forcing us to the table.

10:48 Gotcha. That's what's happening. Okay. I don't know if I I got off on a tangent.

10:52 No, no, no, no, no. I You know what? I led you to the rabbit hole and you jumped. So that's

10:58 your fault, Jim. I blame you. I will take the blame. Um, so let's talk about the metaninoia concept.

11:08 Yes. You're you chasing the metaninoia or metaninoia with coffee in hand. Yes. The in my book Turning Within, I tell the story. Metaninoia is a is in in in Greek uh mythology is a character of unknown origin that hangs out with uh Curos. Uh, and Curos is the um the goddess of um transformation. And I think that that verse right there is just the richness of God. Goddess um and metaninoia is a a total change at the structural level. Um we have a um a misorientation that we are we are surface dwelling survival rooted. Um we're trying to get everything on the flat plane materialistic. We are creators that have been programmed to be consumers, which means that I try to solve the signal that's going on down there externally. But again, I'm going to come back to say the universe is saying it's time for you to wake up.

12:07 Everything is getting faster. And um what used to take um um Terrence McKenna called it I think it was zero point. But the amount of novelty um that happened every thousand years is now happening about every hundred. And what happened every hundred years is about happening about every 10. And the amount of new things, novelty things that happen that used to take 10 years are now happening about every year. And that's both collectively as a species and individually in my life. My life is really moving fast. I can turn on the news and hit 57 channels of survival rooted programming, right? Um it's everywhere. I'm taking in more. I'm I'm processing more. We are speeding up. And that speeding up is causing us to have to change the whole way that I I have to change the way that I orient my reality because I mean just look again 87% of your thinking is survival rooted. And what is that? Well, the mind it predicts

13:02 and it steers. That's what it does. But what does it predict from? Well, it predicts from what it knew. And what happened back there because of how fast we're going is no longer g like when we move forward another couple steps we're not very far off from it. We now are going so fast that the thing that I thought was happening back there that I because that's really what it is. It's not what really happened. It was my my blind deaf and dumb perspective from a three-year-old. Again, we talked about the three-year-old, right? My three-year-old trying to project onto where we're going. He's not. He's just going to sit and be dumbfounded because it won't line up. It we're being forced to start to make new meaning from the very essence that is now. We have no choice. AI is forcing us to deepen our conscious. So that's a that's a uh that's a metaninoia. That's a total total transformation. So, what's

13:55 interesting with some of the things that you're talking about the universe speeding up and things of that nature, there are a lot of people that are of the belief that our universe we're we're leveling up and it is it is uh a time where we'll just call it from a spiritual perspective. Spiritual awakenings will start happening to a lot of people. And what I started to think about is where the the people are being forced to get up to speed. There's also it seems like there are a number of people that may not be cool with that leveling up and exit. So, I'm wondering if it's coincidence or it's just part of that that programming or their soul contract or whatever you might want to call it to either get with the program or get out type of thing. And so, they're making their choices to head for the exit.

15:02 Yeah. I I I don't I just don't I don't think anybody's here that doesn't know that they're here. like some part of you came here because of here.

15:13 There's a reason. No, no, I I absolutely agree with that that that people some people may be believe in reincarnation, some people may not. But part of that theory or thought process of the reincarnation is that there are lessons to learn or experiences to have, human experiences to have. In our instance,

15:38 14 trillion you could have different in any given moment that you can be doing as a human right now in our time and place. Never a time and better time in recorded history to be alive. At least as far as we know. Right.

15:48 Well, yeah. So far. Right. Right. So far, who knows what the the next six months is going to have in store based on how things are speeding up, you know, from 100 to 10.

16:01 Yeah. Wow. I I don't think we're going to make it a year before we have these next leaps. You know, it it certainly seems that way. So, I don't know. I you know, I mentioned in in the opening working for uh for or working with Tony Robbins and to do shadow work. Why don't you tell everyone a little bit about that experience

16:25 about working with Tony? Oh, that was again I'm from Iowa. So, I'm a I'm a Midwest boy from Iowa that had the opportunity to I had the opportunity to start doing this shadow work. Somehow in the middle of in the middle of Po Dunk, Iowa, there's this group of geniuses that got together and they're doing this thing that's called shadow work. And I got to I got to it was in recovery and these these guys were all in recovery and so they started doing their work and so everybody here has got their path, right? That was the path these guys had found and I ran into these guys and I was at a workshop and one of them said this is Tony Robbins stuff and the next thing you know I saw Tony Robbins was hiring and I just kept bugging the guy because I couldn't afford to go to his workshop so I kept bugging him till they hired me and that's how I and so I spent it's actually a little longer total about 14 15 years working for him. Okay.

17:14 And yeah started working as a par which is a account manager which was great. you you you kind of go to the events and these people are all from a spiral dynamic standpoint, they're striving to be the very best of the very best of who they are. They use competition to do so. And just an amazing group of people and uh then I started working in the business end because that was kind of my na my knack. One of the things it's just more systems at the end of the day. And and the reason I went there is because I saw Tony, he stood somebody up and within about 15 minutes, you're not going to be able to know what you now know. like the thing they saw they thought was blocking them wasn't the thing that was blocking them at all.

17:51 They saw that they were creating the very reality. And that's really what I've been I'm like he's doing the same thing these guys are doing but he's doing it on a global level.

17:59 So I went to work for him and he was just building this business program called Business Mastery. Mhm.

18:05 And so they they they moved me in there and I kind of got a knack and it's like, well, I want to see if business m I wanted to see if shadow

18:12 um was the same was was was impacting business was the goal. So I just kept doing shadow my depth work. I just kept asking the same prompts that kept delivering the same where where in your life do you suffer? Where are you finding struggle? And it would go into the struggle and I keep diving down in there and 99.99 like there's a book out called billion dollar losses. It's like they went and researched. It's like um 87% of all business. It's like you're running the wrong way to begin with. It's like you don't even know when when they go down and really did the research that at the end of it it's shadow. The parts that we hydropress and deny I'm projecting something on it

18:49 and I can't see it. I can only see it from my steering, my predicting, my anticipation. And so I just kept doing that. They ended up building I mean he took when I started working for Tony in the business department we were doing uh business mastery events were about a hundred at a time and we were doing two a year and by the time I got done we were doing 5,000 ahead we were doing 5,000 head in Las Vegas and we were doing them in Florida and we were doing Yeah. I mean it was it was kind of really a blessing for me because I got to see that this is this this work is doesn't matter it scales it it all the math adds up all the way in all the way down all the way in all the way out but I got to impact my at that time I had this part of me like everybody has what I call core shadow and one of the core shadows one of them I have is I'm going to be rejected so first off the reason I ended up in

19:41 sales was because um um that was one of my shadows you would think why would somebody who was constantly a fear of being rejected. Number one job you probably shouldn't do is go into sales. Well, it allowed me in my structure. Water finds its light consciousness. I could project out on the world the reason why I'm feeling like I'm going to be rejected is because they're going to reject the it gave me I could feel my rejection and go this feels good. And at the same time, I had also a hero's journey, a structure that if I can get that person to say yes, maybe maybe I'll be okay. And then it was if you can if you can speak in front of enough people, if you can change enough lives, if you can make a big enough impact, the other one was I'm going to be a bum. And so I started to bigger bigger crowds. I I grew like again I was structurally speaking traveling around the world teaching what's called the seven forces. Like I

20:35 was just really more than a small town Iowa boy should have ever ever they should have ever gave me the keys to that car. Like you know what I mean? Yeah. But I was it was the more I got the problem was the more success I had

20:49 the more I was certain the more the the certainty of going to be a bump that the the gravity of it increased the farther away I got. The farther up I got because my mind

21:00 the rubber band pulling you back. Well, yeah. because my mind is still holding on to the same you're going to hit the ground, but now it's like you're five stories up, so the the fall is going to be much greater. It's going to hurt much more.

21:12 Yeah. Yeah. So, just the utter and so then I had to do something and we came, we were living in Florida and I went and Googled Iawaska. Here we go. Iaska and Orlando. And then I got at that time they were going through all kinds of weird struggles and and but they were serving Iawaska here in Orlando. Largest at the time it was the largest IASA church in the Northwest. It was run by a guy that was

21:38 he was in it for the I think he was in it for the money. I don't know that he was he was there for the message but he he'd tell you that he never really

21:44 his his awakening was after the medicine and I think it was all financial and but that's neither here nor there. I came to s sit with the medicine and and had this and I knew then I'd found another teacher and so at that point I left Tony I quit I quit a job where I was the amount of money that I gave up the role that I gave up the the prestige I I was I just come back from Serbia and two weeks later I I said well sorry all Tony sorry brother it's it's like he I got to go and I quit and then a week or two after that co hit to follow around to work, spend the next five years.

22:22 Yes. It was could not have like timing is everything kind of thing. Yeah. It was dark knight of the soul. I I as soon as I jumped off the system the universe the system that is the universe instantly my mind structured into that that heroic journey and I instantly went into trials and tribulations like you can never start a business at a worse time.

22:44 Yeah. Well, we were going to do live events where they people would come in in Airbnb and I would teach them this technology and they're not doing that. Nobody's flying into Florida. No.

22:53 You know what I mean? So, it's like now what are you going to do? So I sat with this plant for and did their integration director of integration for like five years. a long time research kind of sitting with the plant and um doing integration and doing my own integration and developing um all following Tony and it all everything Tony if you've followed any of Tony's stuff it it plugs in all the way down to the very mother says it's all pretend all the way down to the gaze of God all the way down his structure works and that's why he's got the following that he's got and that's why he's got the

23:26 that's interesting because I you know in the the spiritual arena. And I guess it's all the the same, you know, when you're talking about shadow work.

23:36 Yeah. That it can be personal shadow work at a soul level. It can also be professional, too, right? Because you're still you still have those stumbling blocks. You still have those roadblocks that are really, I would say, almost always self-imposed.

23:55 Always. Well, the reason why you are where you are is I've yet to run into but anybody my belief is that you're God having a gym experience and that's not woo woo. Very practical. You're you are the primary creative force in your reality.

24:10 Correct. And when somebody says I'm here because of that. Well, now what you've done is you've handed off your power to the very thing that you're standing in front of. You're coming from what I call without focus thinking. This is the reason I feel this way. It's like stop. You're emanating from within. stop and notice that you're standing. Are you standing at the same door that you stood at before? Like again, you could be doing 14 trillion different things, but you're doing this specific thing. And what are the odds that I'm standing in front of here having this? So, business is a spiritual sport. And at the end of the day now I start to work with I've got 200 I've got a whole community of people now that are we're trying to get to 144,000 active practitioners so that we can get underneath the water and do a

24:53 everybody flip the switch all at once and see if we can hit a collective where we all wake up from the dreams that we keep forgetting. It's not a forget like you said I'm a three-year-old on my best day and keep forgetting that we're having right.

25:06 Yeah. That's that's an interesting it's an interesting thought because I I can tell you so I come from the business world. I've been doing talent acquisition, recruiting and

25:16 um I I I'm really a partner in you know strategic thinking and things of that nature with

25:26 business leaders. And I think a lot of times the thought is you can't have one. There has to be a division of church and state

25:39 so to speak. You know what I mean? That you can't bring spir spirituality into business. But I'm here to tell you that you can then it just becomes

25:49 syntax. it becomes uh almost a a dialect dialect or a different way of communicating the same things. You have to communicate that message in corporate e

26:03 well there's a there's a message being that that that it isn't the the the awareness that I think again this is something that we we will come to this awareness either now or very close to now that I call it integrated leadership. I I as a leader have to understand the structure of the stories that everything's moving in and I have to know where the bottlenecks are in the flow of awareness because companies that are only most most companies when you go to look at it uh the research is just very profound the amount of people that are not happy with where they are.

26:37 They're not engaged. Correct. And if I'm not engaged, I'm only I'm what we call we're paycheck employees. Paycheck employees are only paper thin. Well, how do I make the most efficient effective? This isn't woo woo. This is very practical. How do I get the most out of an organization? Well, I that organization that's moving at the speed of light has to be conscious. We have to be actively conscious, which means that

27:02 present to all things happening. That's right. And a guy that I'll give you I'll give you the top example and then I'll give you the bottom example. the topic example client um sold his business, but he started out a family-owned business and he wanted to take it to this the first peak. He said, "If I get to this peak and sell it, it'll be great." We get to that first peak and now all of a sudden he sees a second peak. I want to go to that peak. I said, "Okay, great." We run to the second peak, he sees a third peak, like I want to go for this third peak. I'm like, "Well, you know,

27:33 right?" I'm like, "Well, you know, there's just another peak after that peak." At that point, I told him, "Everything is fractal, right?" He's like, "No, I want to get to that peak." I said, "Okay, but when we get to the next peak," I said, "You're certain that's the peak."

27:45 Yep. That's the peak. I said, "When we get to this next peak, I'm going to hold you to that." So, we get to the next peak, and sure enough, he sees yet another peak.

27:53 The summit? Yeah. Right. Well, there's He thinks it's the summit, but guess what he's going to find at the end of that peak?

27:58 Another one. He's going to find yet another peak. Well, his wife is his wife has said, "Hey, you said that we were going to The whole goal was to exit. We've got family. We've got this, we've got that. What is when are you going to really? She starts to wonder if he's going to do what he says he's going to do. Her shadow starts to get triggered. He gets all of his identification. The structure identity is the most powerful force in the human condition. We do anything to stay consistent and persistent with the rules and the labels and the roles that we use to

28:25 that you've created for yourself. Yeah. Because I have to steer and I have to predict and that goes all the way down to the beginning of me. So that has to stay consistent so that I know what's what. So now he's got to become something. What's going to happen if I get all my muchness from what's going on here? And now that's all gone.

28:42 Right. Right. That's what the real pro. It wasn't each summit. It was that he didn't know what was on the other side of the summit. And he knew where he he knew how to get to the next summit, but he didn't know the invisible summit, which was the one within that was he was he had to face that. And when he faced that

29:00 completely different being, oh, it's a break. I mean, very present, very conscious, very he's no longer dealing with the strategies. Second thing,

29:09 let's go with the strategies. If I don't have, if I'm a business owner that that's just got paper thin employees or maybe even employees, let's talk about challenge versus competition. Most companies inside the structure will pit one team against the other. Yep.

29:26 They have a stack ranker, all that stuff. And that builds competition. But really what that builds is individual. There's a resistance. Now I may see you as a teammate, but some part of me also sees you as a threat.

29:38 Yep. It has to. The math has to add up. That happens with hiring all the time because they don't they get fearful that somebody's going to look better than them. So they'll hire

29:47 Exactly. lesser individuals. So they That's even That's not even That's not That's not even That's the unconscious. They don't even own that that's going on. They'll tell you that everybody else does it. Nobody.

29:59 Right. Nobody wants to say they're the one doing it, right? No. No, of course not. Because then

30:05 Exactly. Now that individual that individual either if we go to competition, they end up at some point becoming in a silo in their mind because they're having to sing for their food. You lose creativity. So in this, we call it the eight. There's eight directions we kind of work with the inside. When we go in, there's an archetype. We call it the genius archetype, which is again the unique expression that can only come through Jim. Well, that's very tender. It's a quiet. It's genius is very difficult to to kind of the idea has to come through. It has to be given. You have to breathe life into it. Like genius is born. It's not created. It's not it's not constructed. Genius comes into the structure. Intelligence. If you go and look at AI, the way that AI AI is grown. It wasn't created. It was grown.

30:50 The data is they tried to grow. They tried to they tried to build AI and when they tried to build AI it was a dismal dismal flop. But when they grew it, which is a completely different structure that intelligence that's in there, they don't know. They don't really know why. Well, that's because it's grown. It's not it's not created. It's not it's not constructed. It's grown. Right. Well, we grow now. We have this employee that

31:14 Yeah. And he's only he's penced off the amount of voice that he can bring in because he's worried about what other people are going to do or what happens if they get a hold of my idea. So that's now pinched off at some level, right? And now how committed am I? If I'm a paycheck employee, how committed am I to the the outcome of the bottom line? And I'm walking down the road and we'll go back in uh one of my clients uh front end frontend uh front-end worker sees the way to save 10 cents on this one thing. Well, 10 cents on a giant corporation is a lot of money at the end of the year if you do that 10-centent thing over and over.

31:49 Sure. But if I'm a paycheck employee and I'm not engaged. Yeah. If I'm not engaged and I'm not that 10 cents never shows up over here, that has to be seen touching it. You have to kind of be active and engaged. That person that's inside there when they see that and they go,

32:06 "Huh?" And they turn around and engage that. Now, they've saved the company. I think we had one in one instance is $187,000. That's a conscious company because everybody is looking around. Everybody is active. Everybody has the light shining from them.

32:23 Oh, here's a here's a great metaphor. Um, here's a great metaphor. Drop the needle. This is a great metaphor. We My wife was trying to manifest Luke Bryan tickets.

32:33 Ah, she was certain and and I'm I'm into the law of cultivation. I'm not into the law of attraction, but she's really into the law of attraction. she's going to win these Luke Bryan tickets that are on the the radio and I'm I love my wife and I and and and I'm absolutely love my wife and um and so I'm I'm going to support her in that. Let's see what happens because I believe belief is really what dictates it. So let's see. I said let's see. I said my wife is going to win these tickets and come to the end of the event, come to the end of the thing and and and she uh she hadn't won them but she was certain something was going to happen. And later on that day, interestingly enough, my daughter, my my second oldest daughter calls me and she says, "What do you guys do on Friday?"

33:13 This is the concert of Friday. I said, "Well, we're probably doing what we typically do, which is to go to the grocery store and get ready because we got seven kids total and we got a lot of kids, right? So, we got plans and they're all based around taking care of the the the the home life, right?" Yeah. And and she said, "Well, if you had the ability to go to a Luke Bryan concert, would you rather go to that?" I said, "Have you talked to Valerie?" And she said, "No." I said, "You need to call Valerie right now." So, she hangs up.

33:42 Sure enough, she's got these tickets now. And when that had happened, I had a busted up foot at the time, but there's it's the the theater, the concert hall in in Orlando, the Amway Theater, I think, is what it is. And it's giant. And And sure enough, we get to the seat and I've got a I've got a cane I'm walking with. There's this we are literally Jim I'm telling you like if you're on stage to imagine you're on stage and you're looking out over the crowd. Okay, it's the highest the very top the tippy top seat and it's literally the farthest like straight across from it's

34:14 I know it it wasn't the worst spot because the worst I was there was this giant cement pillar that was right next to the seat.

34:22 That was the worst view. There was nobody there. The pillar was the worst view. We were right next to that. Okay. Because I kept telling my wife, "You need to manifest better." Like I was giving her because it was you could look over and you could see these pe like it felt it's a good thing I didn't drink because man, if you drank too much, it felt like you could just fall right over, you know,

34:42 terrified. So, we're playing. It's the end of the night and um it's the end of the night and the lights go down and um Luke pulls out this piano and he starts to sing that song uh Drink a Beer.

34:55 Yep. And I know that song heard. Yeah. And and I'm watching my wife because my wife again, she's we're I'm there to watch my wife watch concert. I love he's great. He's a great performer, great music. But really for me, the game is watching how she lights up by watching this. Yeah. The joy of the music, the way it moves in her. And this song comes online and she starts the tears start coming down her eyes and the lights are down low and and um um you can't see any I can't see this far in front of my nose. And slowly what starts to happen is those the people take their phones and they you know these lame ass you you've seen it right they used to be the lighters now it's the phones

35:32 and um they all start to come on and as they start to come on um I start to watch as these this it's all of a sudden it's like watching the night sky

35:45 Yeah. the glow lighting up. Yes. And at some point, Jim, at some point, the room lights up. It goes to this there's this quantum jump. There's this We went from here to here. And I'm telling you, Jim, you can there's no longer a net need for the light even to light up. You can see the guy in the front row drinking a beer kind of thing. You can see you can see the entire room. And I have gone from having the literal worst seat in the house to the very best possible seat that I could have. I can see God. And I saw that something entered into that room. And we no longer needed that one light to see what was going on. We could see the entire space because everybody lit their own light. That is where we're trying to get to. We're trying to get to that space where when Jim's genius comes out, when your unique expression of you is finally able to sing its song, it when as you are liberated from your fears, your

36:53 presence automatically liberates others. It invites me to sing my song. And through your song and my song, there's this third thing, this third song, there's this third level of genius that presents itself that is undeniable. And we've been seeing this on the carpet and we've been seeing it on Zoom calls, the book, the information that I'm getting back from how the book is impacting people. It's time to wake up from the dreams that we keep forgetting were happening. I believe that shift from darkness to light, it's 144,000 active practitioners all holding on to this one spot and going, "What if I was God having a human experience?" And it was my struggle that was trying to wake me up and to not say I get it, but to stop and wrestle with that like longer than just a beat because it's more than a bumper sticker. I believe your struggle is I used to say suffering is sacred but I had a a practitioner just

37:54 earlier in the week go suffering uh the word suffering she she got hooked on that struggle was the word that it's like your struggle is sacred if I can stop and see when I'm in the struggle and take a breath recognize that I'm in it it's I call it the rain process it's like go look at your day it's it's the it's the story that carries you the struggle it could be I'm not going to be a good dad it could be I'm not going to be able to afford this could I don't like this. I don't like that. Like what is the idea? Recognize where it's struggle, where it's suffering, where it's the same story. Notice you're in it. I recognize it. Then the A is allow and accept.

38:32 Take a breath. It's okay you're here. You're humaning and you've translated your humanness for whatever it is and you're projecting it onto the screen. And you this is where you think you're going to die. It's okay that you're here. Take a breath. Now we investigate. I and that's a it's a it's a process we call it closing the circuit but just basically investigation is where did you pick this idea that somehow you're not whatever the translation is because suffering doesn't sit in the data it sits in the story

39:01 and then what do I need what does the part of you need so that it can be the unique expression of God so that you can carry the grace of God in you it's like well I that's a lot it is a lot and I think we need to wrestle with that like seriously wrestle not a

39:17 you know and where we wrestle with it is tell me the story that attempts to steal your joy. Tell me where because when you can see where you're lying to yourself. Our first rule of shadow work is that you lie to yourself first.

39:28 Where I can see how I'm lying to myself. I'm going if I'm lying to myself. If I'm the one causing that,

39:34 I'm much bigger than what I think I am. And if I'm much bigger than what I think I am, then this thing that I think is going to kill me is nothing. You know what I'm saying? Exactly.

39:42 It's either everything or nothing. One of the two. You know, here's the thing. We could probably keep going on this for days. Uh, but unfortunately, I'm I'm down to my last question I can ask you in this um in this segment. Your pain is your genius. Is that kind of what we're talking about? Is that where you're you're you're talking about the the suffering? Isn't Buddha talks about life is is suffering.

40:16 Yeah. But your pain is your genius. Yeah. The the um the Gordon Globe has called them disclosure moments. We have these open secrets. Um it's it's in the suffering of me. So in the seven layers at the core of it is the hero's journey. There's a part of me that not given we once processed a guy who's 70ome years old that just was angry bitter old man. and we got down to the core of it and what where it was operating from was he had when he was six years old um his his um he was going to tell his life story. He was going to write his life story and he went to his mom and dad. They were at some kind of a function and he said, "I'm going to tell." Somebody was talking about their life story. He said, "I'm going to write my life story." And mom said, "Oh, sweetie, you're 6 years old. You don't have a story yet."

41:02 The most loving way possible. But in his mind, what he took in there was, "Nobody wants to hear what you have to say."

41:09 Now, fast forward, he's a seven-year-old man. And this entire that that moment, it echoed through his whole life. anytime somebody would cut him off, he would instantly go to that six, like we talked about the three-year-old, that six-year-old little boy would come online and the structure of his ability to orient. And so then he never put himself in a situation to where his story would be relevant for fear that that little boy held on to that somehow nobody wanted to hear it. And this beautiful man is now absolutely beautiful soul is wrapped up in this bitterness that comes from this place that he's holding on to back there. And when you can see that when you truly go down and see where that part of you is existing, it's like all of that is me.

41:56 All of that is you. And then you find again when I was three years old, my stepmother, she physically abused me. She she she'd beat me. She'd starve me. She'd and then she'd stick me in the basement during the day and then she'd bring me out at the end of the day say if you say anything I'll kill you and your sister both like this went on for long enough for my mom to figure out what's going and um there's this part of me that feels trapped and like I'm always waiting for you to tr some part of me deep down in me is always waiting to be stuck back in that basement and be abandoned and be trapped down there and so he orients from there but now because I've gone down in there I've gone into the interior of my meeting and I found where that's happening and I'm tending to that. I can now go into the basement called gym,

42:41 right? And I go, "Hey buddy, come with me. I want to show you something." I I I can go down there. And why? Because I I live down there. I spent I my addiction was all

42:49 Put that light switch on and we'll we'll shed some light on this, right? That So, while you were describing that, something came to mind. And so if nobody if there's somebody out there who has never gone to therapy or something like that or seen a therapist, psychologist, whatever you you want to call it, the easy thing for that person that you might be having a discussion with, could be a loved one, could be whoever who's not sought out some sort of help, right? They'll say, "How long are you going to blame your childhood trauma on something?" you know, you know, get get the hell out of it. That's Get out of it. And you're talking about a time frame in your childhood, especially early adolescence, 3 years old to to 9 years old, you your belief system is being solidified. So, how could it not? If it's screwed up, how can that not follow you unless you do the work?

43:58 Yes. I call it mental hygiene. It's it's it's a requirement. Like we do a thing called the mental cleanse, which is a four-week experiential process where we go in and we clean that lens out because that that and we're we're just walking around in sludge. All the meaning that we're living in, these kids that are living in this meaning, they've disassociated. Why have they disassociated? Would you want to be turned on at that level in this world? They've disassociated. Thank Thank you mind for keeping me safe. And I believe what we're seeing here is a structure where we've got to go in. We're being forced to go in and I I'm not going to be able to keep projecting that you're gonna if I if this if this idea that carries me is big enough, I have to stop looking at Jim as though he's a he's a threat going to lock me in the basement because Jim, you and I won't be able to connect on the very soul level that

44:49 needs for this work to breathe. You know what I mean? It's like it's forcing me to let go. There's no other the mother teaches the only way out is through and the only way through is in. I have to be willing that the illiterate the illiterate of our age are not the people that can't read and write. The the illiterate of today's age will the be the people that can't learn then unlearn and then relearn again because we've got to deepen.

45:17 We have to come at it from a soul perspective. We won I won some money at a while home in Iowa and because the check was written in such a way it was just a bit off. My my bank blocked it and I spent three days on the phone with four or five people trying they would they would put me on hold. They would come back and they would be all angry. I'm like look people this is the hard rock. They're printing these things. You know what I mean? Like I don't understand what the problem is here and like we can't get a hold of anybody. I finally got to a It was a It was a It was a fraud specialist supervisor. It wasn't the fraud specialist. It was a fraud specialist supervisor. Her name was Penny. If Penny, if you're out there listening, I love you to death. And she said, "Hold on a minute." She came back.

46:00 She said, "I just get a busy signal." I said, "I'll tell you. I can dial the number right now from my" She said, "Hang on." She came back again. She said, "I figured it out. Give me a minute." Then she came back in. She said, "Here was the problem." She said, "Everybody that you talked to before, what they were doing is they were calling. They were doing they were following protocol. go up on the internet, find a find a find a a reputable way to validate that this check was real, call them, verify that it's real, release the funds. They would call and they would get a busy signal.

46:28 And the reason why was because the bank would not let them call into a casino from an inside line.

46:36 They didn't know that. They didn't know that. And so they were calling and they were hitting that wall. And Penny said they need to think three layers. They're only trained to think two layers deep. We need them to go a third layer. And I'm here to tell you, Jim, every single person before Penny is replaceable now by AI. We've got that guy. We're being forced now to wake up and be present because if we're not, there's already some somebody uh the the average mind synapsis is a hundred. It's a 100 synapsis a minute. the uh uh through through AI and computers, we're talking uh 10,000 snapses a minute.

47:15 We're talking a thousand times faster a system can think over us. And by the year 20 uh within the next eight years, AI is going to be smarter than every human on the planet combined. We got that guy. The only way out is through. The only way through is in we have to wake up from the dreams that we keep forget. That's the only additional resource we have is to go in and clean that out so that I can be present with you and be more than just the surface of it.

47:43 That's that's a a real interesting story there how that worked. And it's it's crazy. You know, I was thinking about it. The timing for us to segue into music would have been that Luke Bryan. That would have been perfect. Totally screwed that up. But uh It was a great story. I knew I had to tell it here. I knew I had to tell it here.

48:04 Absolutely. But here's the thing, you know, I wanted there's so much more. I wanted to talk about the the IASA church. I wanted to talk about all those other things. So maybe what we'll do is we'll we'll have you come on again because I I've really enjoyed this. If you're if you're up for it. Um maybe uh you know, a little while from now we'll we'll do that. But right now, if you're okay with it, we'll get into the musical questions. You cool? that you gave me those questions. I have to tell you, Jim, you sent me on a two and a half hour going back in time. I had to go back and look where was I in this time period and what was Oh, I remember that song. And then I was sitting in the space and the bubble the beautiful because that's the muchness of life right there. It flows that like the emotion your life is the some quality of the emotions that you experience and and we leverage music to to activate those

48:55 emotions. And so you had me on going on a full-fledged almost like a witch hunt. It was beautiful.

48:59 I absolutely love that. And I love the fact that you recognized that that was an opportunity to do what it it did because I in in part of it I always say that music is a tie that binds us all together. And I do believe that. And the other thing that the the real reason I have those questions is the soundtrack that follows your life because everybody's got it, right? So, where do you start? And where you start is what's the first song you fell in love with from the radio?

49:31 Yeah, for me, um, I had to go look at that because the first song I'm reminded of going to, uh, driving with my dad to Goththingberg in his Galaxy, Ford Galaxy. And uh, yes. And then we were in the middle. We were on I uh I 80, that road that they sing uh Bob Seager sings the song Turn the Page. Okay. that area that absolute area when he's playing when he wrote that song that you know on a long long and loosome highway east from Omaha that's where I was literally and the song was take it easy by the Eagles

50:04 that's a great song yeah and at that time be standing like the memory like oh wow this is this is the area that Bob sings about and it was take it take it easy and it gives me that feeling uh of being on the road and just moving and allowing allowing ing the flow to just be what it is. You know what I mean?

50:24 Yeah, I do. I do. I'm uh I'm a big fan of that. The Eagles version and I'm also a big fan of Travis Trit's version.

50:34 I think that's a that's a good one. Oh, yes. Yes. It's a good version. Yes. Yes. Yes.

50:38 Yeah. I enjoy that. So, with that, when you're talking about road trips, did you guys have a uh a song that you would belt out when you're

50:46 um you asked that question. Which song did we belt out? We didn't have anything. We we didn't have our family wasn't like that. We didn't My family didn't when they sung songs, it was a different kind of environment like so we didn't have any songs. We built it out. We were driving down the road. We were usually doing the um alphabet game.

51:04 Well, you know what? It could even be if I know we're going to fast forward, but if you and some buddies were taking a road trip to go on spring break or go someplace like that, it doesn't really matter.

51:16 Well, yeah. So then, so then we fast forward a bit. That would be Poison Bel Biv Devau,

51:20 right? So, so that that that would be going to like going to striper concerts or going to uh you know going to that would be the song that was playing in the background for that. Y

51:31 that's awesome. Yeah. So, what what about let's let's think about this. Senior year in high school, you're rolling with your boys, windows down. I don't know if you're smoking cigarettes or not back then. What was uh what was your song?

51:46 Yeah. Well, back then it would have been that. It would have been that Belv big Belb Bib Devo used to back then I was break dancing and so it was uh Sir Mix a Lot and and

51:56 did you bring cardboard with you in the Hey, that's not funny, man. Me and my buddy used to go up and sit on the again, you're talking to Midwest boy from Iowa, right? So I I didn't actually know where the I wasn't on the mean the mean streets of Sous City, South Sou City, Nebraska, right? But we would take a cardboard up on the main avenue and we would sure enough we would an Egyptian lover and um just just music that was um it would make us move and yes we would sit on cardboard. We used to go to sock ops and uh and I I have

52:26 moonwalk and stuff like that. Oh I was on oh moonwalk. I was on I I have awards for it was a thing like I was a dancer. I enjoyed

52:33 out of here. Oh brother when the music Oh yes. There's the there's the song, there's the dancer, and then there's the thing that comes between it, right? Oh, for some part of me just love to be but love to be in the dance.

52:46 That's very cool. No, that's that's that's excellent. How about after high school? Did your uh musical tastes change?

52:54 Yeah, we would now shift into Tulle 46 and two. Um distinctly remember uh the Yeah, it was a very dark time in my life. so uh drug ridden like again I come from a just and I remember um it was odd because I didn't know the words to the song I didn't know I didn't understand what it was but some part of me felt the depth of that song and if you've never played go sit if you want to hear a song about shadow tool 46 and two um and I would just play that just blaring and just driving through the there's this image of me uh just absolutely thinking I'm the driving through a trailer court in this and this song is just blaring through the speakers.

53:41 Angry. Oh, a little angry. And I'm deep up in this whatever space Tulle had created Maynard had created. You know what I mean? I had no idea what I was what I was hearing. But when I look back on that even then I was aiming for the spot.

53:56 I was just going to ask you if if you ever uh researched the song to see what it was about. I didn't do that until until I until I actually until I started doing shadow work and then when I started doing shadow work I went and it came up and I'm like no way and 46 and two is the is the chromosone and I believe that you know structurally speaking we go in and we make those adjustments uh uh Rupert Mandre Sheldrake we goes into morphic resonance and that's what sets that and that's the the frequency that my I don't want to go in the microtubials like let's not go that far. I've followed it all the way down to the end of the road.

54:35 But yes, I absolutely have rabbit hole hit a dead end. That's right. Well, it just keeps going.

54:43 Yes, that's that's excellent. Um, so let's go the opposite way. What about uh a song that gets those positive juices flowing?

54:53 Yeah, there's I mean I can go I can go on for days. Uh so I I had a hard time with this one. um because we have uh in the work we use music at a level that's um

55:05 frequency is huge we use that frequency right huge so I just I went with just listening so then I went with um the one of the songs that I tried to go it's like I this my ego wants to be very

55:17 shiny here right but um pilot by Amber Run have you ever heard that song I have not

55:22 he says he says I I don't want to be I don't want to be I don't want to be known for something I don't want to be the center of anything he The song goes, I don't want to be the center of anything. I just want to be part of something bigger. And for some reason, that for me allows me to just feel as I'm feeling my grandiosity because I'm a big deal, but yet I'm not that big deal at all. Like I'm not God, but I'm not not God kind of thing. And I hold on to the paradoxness of that. It's like I want to be part of something big like that. I can see the structure of it. And then

55:50 I went with uh uh Collective Soul Shine would be the other one. That's a great song.

55:55 Yeah. And again, talk to me in 10 minutes because we it can change. Um, those are the song. Yeah, those are the songs that I really

56:01 I'm the same way though, man. Especially because music is such a big part of me.

56:08 One of my one of my buddies I have a a friend who lives in Washington DC and we were talking about something and he was there was um a challenge and we're trying to working together on trying to to solve that, you know, challenge, problem, whatever you want to call it. And then a song popped in my mind and he was just like, "Holy fuck." And he goes, "That's it." And I started laughing and I said, "It's funny how that happens." He goes, "It must He must be something to be you because he said, "I envision you're walking around the house talking on the phone because I I have a voiceover IP system for my day job and I have a wireless headset that'll get me 500 feet away from the house before it breaks up." And I walk and talk most days. And when I'm doing that and in flow, music pops in and it's usually the lyrics. There's a lyric of the song that comes in and it goes, "Here you go." And boom. And he goes, "It's got to be

57:14 fascinating to be your brain." Yeah. Well, the way your mind cuz I think the deep conscious is trying to communicate with us and and for you because you're so musically or you're you're structured that that that music would be the if if we had a feminine expression of the hero's archetype of the hero's journey. Uh the feminine expression of the hero's journey would be song.

57:36 That's interesting. The flow of it and and and there's a there's a structure to it, right? We can anticipate underneath the water that we know we are. We know we get in the ego and we kind of just ride with it and we know where it's going to take us from the flow of it, right?

57:50 We could just kind of feel it. I I think that there's a lot of uh song is the just at the very bedrock. It it's why it moves us at the way it does.

57:59 That's very cool. So, I'm going to fast forward and go to the last question, but I want to get all of your songs. So, you'll be able to email me your song so we can put it on your playlist. That'd be awesome.

58:13 Yeah. So, this actually happens to be my favorite question. Sometimes there are songs you hear that ring so true that they can stop you in your tracks and the song's lyrics either sound like they were written specifically for you or by you. What's that song? Um, for us it would be it's not the actual person that wrote it, but the the person that sings it is Robin Sherwell and it's landslide. So, took my love, Took It Down. That song when it's played, I call it at the opening. When you crack open during a piece of work, there's something about it that resonates at a level that um it just seems to be very uh it's beyond space and time. It's like that eighth day kind of thing where it's all all moments and times and for a minute I'm just there with that song

59:03 and there's this beautiful flow cleansing out. It's like I took my love and took it down. I I climbed a mountain and I turned around going down in that space and feeling that um it's very there's something about it that's humbling and um cleansing in the same way. And it I can't hear that enough. I can't watch those lights come on. I can't watch that healing the healing space that comes on that song

59:28 when you play that. And again, songs like that, but that song in particular is the one that really reminds me of that light coming on.

59:35 Well, it's all about you, man. It's what it means to you. That's important for me from this perspective. Watching those lights come on is um it's the jam, man. It's the gym. Watching you wake up from the dream that you keep forgetting you're having somehow reminds me it's okay. It's okay that I fall asleep, but it's also okay to wake up. So,

59:55 I love it. Well, it's just about time to cue the music for today's episode, but don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe to the Drop the Needle podcast to stay uptodate on our latest episodes. I'd also like to take a moment to thank everyone again for tuning in today, and I hope you enjoyed this episode of the Drop the Needle podcast. I'd also like to thank our special guest Steve Duig. Thank you, Steve, for being on today. How can people get in touch with you to be a part of your collective?

1:00:28 Yeah. So, you can couple ways. If you have a if you have a phone, you can just download the app. If you go to shadowwork.app, the app is there. There's a couple programs on there. I'm at masteringchange.com is the main kind of it'll get you into the the front door. And then um I have over 65 different integration groups that we run every month. We um have a nonprofit called the Evolving Mind Project that's helping get us to that 144,000. Um Smoke Signals, Jim, Smoke Signals, Telepathy. I don't care what it is. If you're

1:01:01 thinking Yeah. No, I'll You know what? I'll think. Son of a You're right. No, I'm not that good, folks. No, I know I am. my G. No, I'm just teasing you. Right.

1:01:14 So, I'll make sure that I I include that information so people can get in touch with you, which then I would invite everyone to head on over to the show notes. And I'm going to put a link in the show notes from uh today's episode that would include your playlist as well as how to get in touch with you. So, we'll we'll make sure everything's on there. All right. my drop the needle posi like Billy Joel says from the highs to the lows. This is the end of our show. Until next time, this is Jim Allst wishing you infinite health and happiness and the perfect playlist for your life. Thank you again for being the best part of us. Catch you next time.

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