Financial Advisors React to WILD Money Clips

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 3:00: Ford Edge
2. 6:00 – 9:00: Vladimir
3. 12:00 – 15:00: NYU Stern

Notable quotes from "Financial Advisors React to WILD Money Clips"

• Customer, service, is, excellent., And, it was only 20,000 more than what I paid for the Ford Edge.

  about Ford Edge · at 0:44

• Vladimir,, hey,, it's, so, good, to, see, you again. Thank you so much. How's How's the family? Why I leave the house? I'm I'm busy. Phone charger laptop charger. Here's the thing. There.

  about Vladimir · at 6:51

• Understand it. Even though I finance for 20 plus years, I'm still a professor at NYU Stern at Stern Business School. I have almost actually more than 1,000 former students and I still didn't get it until I'm age 58.

  about NYU Stern · at 13:28

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Vladimir — Person · 1 mention · first at 6:51
• Detective Inspector Tony Carney — Person · 1 mention

Companies & orgs

• NYU Stern — Company · 1 mention · first at 13:33

Products & tech

• Ford Edge — Product · 1 mention · first at 0:50
• Porsche Macan — Product · 1 mention

Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 All right, the content team has done their part. They turned the studio heaters up and now let's see if they're bringing the heat with these videos.

0:07 And, Brent,, I, am, so, excited, about, that because when it comes to the internet we never know what we're going to get. Let's dive right in.

0:14 You, decided, to, get, a, Porsche. Yeah. And, you, can't, pay, for, groceries., What, do you think this car is worth?

0:18 And, I, bought, it, for, 89., And, maybe, I could get 90,000 for it. I don't think it depreciates as much as other cars.

0:26 What, kind, of, Porsche,, by, the, way? A, 21, Macan. Okay., turbo, wheel, on, it., You, could probably sell it for 64. So, get rid of the Porsche today, dude.

0:34 Then, what, do, I, drive?, The, car, that, I, got is pre-owned. It's not a brand new one.

0:38 So,, I'll, spend, $1,500, a, month, on, a, used car. Okay. And, I, bet, maintenance, is, cheap,, too.

0:44 Customer, service, is, excellent., And, it was only 20,000 more than what I paid for the Ford Edge.

0:51 I've, never, paid, $20,000, a, month, for customer service before. A, Ford, Edge, was, $60,000.

0:57 Yeah., That's, I'm, having, a, hard, time., She said 89,000 is what she paid for that and so the Ford Edge was 69. It's a nice Ford Edge, isn't it?

1:04 I, I, didn't, know, Ford, edges, were, that expensive. I think she might be doing some creative math there.

1:08 Obviously,, if, you, have, uh, financial, wos where you can't afford groceries, you can't pay your bills, you're not saving for the future, and you're having to go finance a luxury automobile like that you may be in too much car. The car that you're driving may be too far along in the financial journey to you are not there yet. And it certainly seems if she has a $1,500 a month payment, she's likely doing it.

1:30 Here's, an, idea., Look,, we, all, need, a vehicle. And I think sometimes the human condition is we say, "Well, since we have a need to get to our J O so we can build some wealth, I can go crazy. Why not have some boundaries to know what you can and cannot afford, look no further than 238, that's right, 20% down. Don't finance longer than 3 years. And make sure it doesn't exceed 8% of your gross income." And here's a few more rules just to make sure you don't let your odd eyes exceed your wallet is make sure that you don't finance luxury cars and also that your Roth and your investment contributions are greater than that car payment. You do those things, you don't end up in Caleb's chair. Can astrology predict the stock market? Financial astrology, also called astro finance, is the belief that planetary movements, lunar cycles, and cosmic events influence human behavior and by extension the markets. If you've

2:22 ever rage sold your portfolio during a fall, maybe, it, wasn't, just, you., Maybe, Mars, was feeling spicy. Use your brain. Check your charts. And hey, no harm in checking the stars, too.

2:36 It's, a, bull. A, minotaur, is, a, horse,, right?, With, a man. I, just, think, I, don't, know, there's, any

2:44 Oh, gosh., Now,, now, we're, going, to, just show how shallow the nerd goes. Well,, so, here's, here's, what, I, think, is won. And so often people will tell you they have some some trick or some system or some thing that they figured out. If someone figured that thing out, they'd be the wealthiest person on the planet. And you know what they would not do? Would not tell you their secret. So they would not need to sell you their course or sell you their system. They would go make money implementing that system. So, if someone tells you they figured out the trick the key, the hidden trap door into the stock market, I would run the other way because nobody knows what the stock market's going to do over the short term. But over the long term, if we have a well- diversified basket of goods, it seems to be a high probability that we're going to be successful as investors. But I don't know that I'm

3:33 looking at the stars in the sky. I, don't, know., I, think, they, deserve, a, lot with that good use of AI to create the

3:38 That, was, AI Bullman., I, don't, know., I, mean,, I'm, I'm assuming the bull man may or may not be a menitar. That could be their where's the beef moment that creates um their their crazy thing. Look, they got on the money guy show. It worked for them.

3:52 The, 401k, is, a, trap., I'll, prove, it, to you. We are right now sitting on the lowest tax rates we've ever had in the history of the United States. I'm not sure if you know that. That being said because the tax rates are the lowest that they've ever been, I have a question for you. Do you think that taxes are going to go up in the future? I'm sure your answer is yes. So, if you put money tax deferred 401k plan. You're essentially saying, "I want to save money on taxes right now, but then I'm just going to let that money go get taxed at a higher tax rate later when I pull it out in retirement."

4:20 False. When, you, pull, that, money, out, when, you're 59 and a half, do you think your tax rates are going to be higher than where they are today in 2024? If your answer is yes, why are you stuffing so much money into your 401k without a plan?

4:31 Because, I, understand, how, the, tax, system works. I recognize that right now, when I'm in my highest income earning years I'm going to defer those taxes. At some point in the future when I go to pull my money out, I'm going to be able to legally manipulate the tax code. I'm going to, pull, out, ordinary, income, assets at lower tax brackets. I'm pull out taxable assets and then Roth assets and not pay any tax on those. I recognize that yes, tax rates could likely go up in the future in terms of tax brackets. But that doesn't mean that I have to participate in those higher tax brackets.

5:01 Yeah,, I, got, an, album. How, many? But, I'm, not, a, rapper. Um,, he, is, right, about, one, thing., You, do need to have a plan. That's why if you listen to any of our content, you'll notice we talk about people who are young and have income taxes effective tax rates less than 25%. Take advantage of the Roth. That way your money grows completely taxfree. If you're, you know effective tax rate, if you take the federal and state, it's somewhere between 25 and 30%. You're kind of in that gray zone. You need to probably pay attention to what your age is, what your goals when you want to leave the workforce. If you're over 30%, you probably do want to consider the traditional. And here's why is because what we have found is that especially if you leave the workforce before you have to do required minimum distributions, as soon as your earned income, your wages or your, you know, your business income

5:46 falls off of your tax return, your tax rates fall to the basement in a lot of cases. And that creates exactly what you're talking about, an arbitrage situation where maybe you're at the tippity top tax rate, but then when you're in retirement, you can legally do conversions and other tax planning strategies that put you at the lowest tax rates and turn that money into Roth. It's it's a beautiful scenario. So, he does he is right. You do need a plan but the 401k is not a trap. It's actually a very beautiful tool that can maximize and help you build wealth.

6:18 Always, extra, meat., It's, just, going, on the credit card. My name is Dan Carney and uh I haven't checked my credit card statement in three months. You got to be able to enjoy the life you want to live. Of course, I would love some guac. The dream of owning a home is dead. I do digital marketing for a dentist office in Brooklyn. If I'm never going to have a family, why deprive myself of daily uh impulses? I finally have a katana. Now that is one of those words where if you say it enough times, it just stops bothering you. I will never make myself coffee. This was a nice little gift from uh Bank of America. If I want something I just get it delivered.

6:51 Vladimir,, hey,, it's, so, good, to, see, you again. Thank you so much. How's How's the family? Why I leave the house? You know, I'm I'm busy. Phone charger laptop charger. Here's the thing. There there, is, no, future, there., There there's nothing. I pay $200 a month to chat GBT to give me financial advice. That big purchase that you want, you can just get that DRINKS ON ME. WHATEVER.

7:12 I, used, to, be, stressed, out, all, the, time. Grey, Goose, martini. Now, I'm, never, stressed., Five, beers, please. We're all going to die. I'm just going to die with a little bit more credit card debt.

7:22 I, can, live, with, that., I, have, another one. Who cares? Sorry., Who, is, this?

7:27 Collecting, what? Look,, the, banks, don't, start, calling, you in month one or two. They call you maybe in month four. This is the same way for people who don't pay your income taxes. Also, just because the government doesn't start sending you letters immediately doesn't mean you're making good financial decisions. I know that was a complete joke, but there is a lot of reality for what I see with the general public and the typical American is that they would rather just ignore and pretend everything's okay than taking an active role and being the star of their action adventure financial film.

7:58 There, is, a, behavioral, thing, that, when, we get so used to just swiping for all kinds of consumption purchases, it does start to feel really, really easy. And it has become one of those things that he mentioned, oh, I'm paying $200 a month on ChatGpt. It's not just that subscription. I can afford anything in the world $100 at a time. $100 at a time. I can even swipe my credit card and so long as I make my minimum payment, the bank's not going to book begin calling me. But that is a hole that the more you do it, the deeper it gets and the harder it is to get out of.

8:27 Anything, that, you, regret, buying? Just, the, stewardship, that, I, had, with, my money. I it got to a point soon where I enabled the people around me like

8:38 Mhm., 400,000, a, month, like, yeah, like, it was a month a month bro like on on clothes

8:46 on, trying, trying, to, do, stuff, on, eBay like but it was a lot I, think, we, see, this, a, lot, a, lot, of, folks especially those that are first generation maybe they didn't come from a household where there was a lot of wealth and they hadn't been taught how to make financial decisions a lot of time the people with whom they surround themselves tend to take advantage of them oh you well you have this huge you make $100 a year you make five you make a million dollars a year surely surely you can afford to help me with this or buy these clothes or do this thing. And Brian, you taught me about this concept of go-kart math. I think a lot of those people do go-kart math thinking it'll never run out. And for the persons at the success, it is very, very difficult to say no.

9:23 When, I, was, doing, lifeguard, training, back in high school and college, cuz I lifeguarded, that was one of my crazy jobs. They teach you don't swim near the the person that's struggling because they'll drown you, too. you have to sneak up behind them to to kind of put the the whole, you know, grip under their their their chest to to pull them into safety. You have to do that same thing for your personal finances. Look we love our family members, but if you are sinking because of the pressure of them, are you are they better for that too? That's that's just not sustainable.

9:53 That's, right. When, you've, sacrificed, your, whole, life to get here, like, yeah, I played 10 years in the league.

9:58 And, I, always, explain, this, to, people., I'm like, "Bro, you give somebody a fiveyear hundred million dollar contract, right? What is it really? It's 5 years for 60.

10:06 You're, getting, tax., Do, the, math., That's 12 a year, you know, that you have to spend use

10:13 save, save,, invest,, flaunt,, like, whatever. However, just being real. I'mma buy a car. I'm give my mom a house. I'm going to do everything costs money. So you, if you spending $4 million a year, that's really 40 million over 5 years, eight a year, you know. And now you you start breaking down the numbers. It's like that's a 5ear span of where you're getting amen. Can you make that last forever? And you always hear the people who ain't us and ain't been in the position like oh well that would last a lifetime. Yeah. This job that I sacrificed my whole life for.

10:46 They are giving me that. I didn't ask for the certain dollar amount or whatever. But we weren't taught about no financial literacy and all the way. We work here's the preach right there.

10:56 Taught, this, skill after, taxes, after, all, that, $12, million, a year. That's not going to be enough to provide. Generally speaking, I disagree with that premise. I think that most folks ought to be able to even if they only make $12 million for a 5year period, that ought to be enough wealth to be able to last you for a lifetime. Agree, disagree, want to fight. when I was in my 20s um and early 30s and and working with professional football players, basketball players, and golfers, it was the football players that gave me the most trouble. Um because I had the hardest time trying to explain to them that their contracts were the worst out of all the the the sports that we represented. Their longevity was the least amount. So essentially what he was describing that's all the money you're going to earn in the your entire career. That's what you need to act like. Now, maybe you'll be fortunate, you turn out to be

11:44 Tom Brady and play into your 40s, but that's not the reality for most. But, he, said, something, so, wonderful, there right at the end. He said, "Man, I was never taught about this, never learned about this, never had the education." So,, no matter, where, you, are,, whether you're making $12 million a year or $12,000 a year, it's never too late to begin increasing your financial education. It's why we even do the show. It's why we have the money show. It's why you can go out to moneygu.com/resources. Check out all of our free resources.

12:11 Check out all of our free content out there. And when you find yourself in that place where you just don't know what you don't know, it's a great time to maybe consider taking the relationship to the next level and getting some professional help.

12:23 I, didn't, realize, that, if, the, average year the money printer goes call it 8 to 10%. Even in the western countries, even in the OECD nations, and the average return on the S&P 500 is, call it 9ish% including dividends, maybe 9.7, maybe a little less. That it means that all of the work of the S&P 500, all of the value created there is actually the money printer. That to me was startling. That's oversimplified. That the fundamental notion that in a closed system or even an open system, when you're printing money at the rate of 8 to 10% a year, everything is losing value. And the things that appear to be gaining value are not gaining value.

13:04 They're just keeping you even. So you can put all your money in the S&P 500 and you're not gaining any relative wealth at all. That's a startling insight.

13:16 I, mean,, when, you, really, think, about, the entire value of the S&P 500 on average over a long period of time, not even a long period of time, is equivalent to the money printer. That was a shock to me. I just didn't get it. I didn't understand it. Even though I finance for 20 plus years, I'm still a professor at NYU Stern at Stern Business School. I have almost actually more than 1,000 former students and I still didn't get it until I'm age 58.

13:40 Where, I, feel, like, he's, disconnected there is that yes, there is a problem with the printers. That's why you have to get on the right side of what you're doing with your money. But to say that there is zero value and there's not economic expansion because it's all just the printer just feels very shallow in his understanding. Yeah, monetary policy is a very complicated thing to try to unravel. But I think what most people the average American can understand is that man, I went and bought a gallon of milk last year and that gallon of milk costs more this year than it did last year. I went and bought a loaf of bread.

14:12 That loaf of bread costs more today than it did this time last year. That's what inflation is. Inflation is the rising cost of the goods that we consume. And so we know that in a long enough timeline the average rate of inflation we see in this country is around 3 to 4%. Even though there are periods where yes we could see 8% inflation 9% inflation that has been true but on average reversion to the mean is a real thing and inflation is somewhere around 3 to 4%. Now when you look at the actual return of the S&P 500 I take $100 of my dollars and I put it in the S&P 500 or I put my pay part of my paycheck in the into my 401k and invest in that. Over the long term, that's made somewhere between 9 to 11% depending on the time period that you're looking at. So, if my dollars can grow at 9 to 11%, but the things that I consume are growing at 3 to 4%, I am going to create wealth. I'm going to be able to outpace that

15:06 inflation and keep up with the rising cost of goods. I think that's what the average American ought to focus on. And that's why we do things like save for the future, invest, let our army of dollar bills work for us so that it can pay for our future selves.

15:21 I, think, what, he, did, if, if, if, based, upon what I'm just putting together in my head is if you look at crazy years like 2008 during the pandemic of 2020 and even the beginning parts of 2021, the government does crank up the printing press to crazy degrees and they flood the economy with these things and that's where you do see these periods of inflation and other things. But it is exactly what you said reversion to the mean is that why do you think real estate almost doubled is because the market quickly adapts and adjusts. So yes in the meantime you could do it cherry pick the data and say the market was up only 9% and the money supply increased 9% in that one year but when you actually spread it out when in doubt zoom out and I think you see exactly what you just laid out and that's why you have to be careful where you get your data from.

16:07 Yeah., I'm, I'm, Greg., I'm, a, 26-year-old software engineer and I've got about 10 grand in a high yield savings.

16:12 Greg,, I'm, going, to, stop, you, right, there. You have your money in a where?

16:16 A, a, high, yield, savings. Greg,, can, you, give, me, one, good, reason why you were saving all that money instead of using it to buy a professional sports team in 1995?

16:23 Sorry. Professional, sports, team., St., Louis Rams, Seattle SuperSonics. You know how easy it is to make $5 billion buying one of those babies in 1995?

16:31 I, I, wasn't, alive. I, was., What's, your, excuse? You'd, have, to, ask, my, parents.

16:35 Can't, rely, on, mommy, and, daddy., Greg,, you walk in there with a checkbook and a good attitude. Sit on that for 30 years and I guarantee that investment grows 4,000% every time. My friends and I do it all the time.

16:45 You, do, it, all, the, time, in, 1995. It's, the, perfect, time, to, buy,, Greg., It was then and always will be. The dawn of a new millennium.

16:52 Do, you, own, a, sports, team? I, do., Houston, Oilers. They're, not, a, team, anymore.

16:58 Next, caller., If, anybody's, in, debt, especially with consumer debt, credit cards, nobody is better at getting you out of debt than Dave Ramsey. So, I feel like before we start picking on and creating farce videos that, you know you go buy a sports team because Dave yells at his people, um I I will give him his roses. Nobody gets you out of debt as well as Dave does. I do agree with you, Brian, that uh when it comes to getting out of debt and making wise and sound financial decisions for those starting out. I think Dave is a fantastic resource there, but there are other fantastic resources out there as well, like the Money Guy Show.

17:32 Would, you, say,, Bo,, that, there's, a, better way to do money? I would say there's a better way to do money. If you want to know about that better way, we'd encourage you to go to moneyguide.com. Check out all of our archive, all of our articles, all of our videos, all of our resources, all of our tools that you can use to do money better. Well, well done content team. Thank you for putting these together. Thank you, thank you thank you for tuning in. I'm your host Brian. Guys, thanks so much for tuning in. Money guy team out.

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What is discussed in "Financial Advisors React to WILD Money Clips"?

In order: 0:00 Ford Edge; 6:00 Vladimir; 12:00 NYU Stern.

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The episode runs 18 min; the transcript is about 3,911 words in 58 timestamped sections.

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