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The Hairspray Rabbit Hole: Thursday, February 19th, 2026

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "The Hairspray Rabbit Hole: Thursday, February 19th, 2026", an episode of The Toast published February 19, 2026 (1 h 1 min, about 13,862 words). It mentions 29 people, works and ideas, including Caroline Bette, John F. Kennedy Jr., Donald C. Murphy, Leighton Meester, Ariana Grande.

What this episode is about

A lively morning show rundown highlights the top five news items, playful banter, and personal anecdotes, with a focus on keeping listeners informed and energized as they navigate Thursday. It touches on recent pop culture topics, light humor about the day of the week, and a discussion of contemporary TV binge-worthy releases.

Key takeaways

  • Kennedy-era chic sells a show more than flawless acting; mood, costume, and NYC atmosphere steal the spotlight.
  • Murphy’s storytelling thrives on scandal and time-jumps, even when performances wobble—fact-heavy lore crowds the show’s fuse.
  • Public obsession outpaces craft: campy acting aside, the Kennedy saga hooks because the history is irresistibly juicy.
  • Audience insight: you’ll tolerate corny dialogue if you learn something novel about Caroline, JFK Jr., and era culture.
  • Meta twist: the show reveals personal beefs shaping history— Murphy weaponizes grievances as dramatic fuel.

Who speaks in this episode?

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 10:00: Donald C. Murphy, Caroline Bette, John F. Kennedy Jr., Calvin Klein
  2. – 20:00: Hairspray, Dr. Mo Hannah
  3. – 30:00: Goldbond, Hers, Nature Sunshine, Quint
  4. – 40:00: Leighton Meester, Ariana Grande, The Voice
  5. – 50:00: Ollie, Roback, RocketMoney, Leighton Meester
  6. – 1:00:00: The Housemaid

Notable quotes from "The Hairspray Rabbit Hole: Thursday, February 19th, 2026"

  • Good morning. It's the It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.
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  • Yeah. I have more time to finish Love Story. A John F. Kennedy Jr. and Caroline bet story.
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  • Aesthetics like in your soul who do you see yourself in when it comes to the cast of hairspray because I actually see myself as Corny Collins did ask I was going to say the same okay I was going to say corny.
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  • Our next story clearing up some drama between Leighton Meester and Ariana Grande. Leon Mester is defending her awkward exchange with Ari at the Critics's Choice Awards and explaining.
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Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • Caroline Bette — Person · Core topic (historical figure in discussed series) · 3 mentions · first at
    Discussed as the focus of the dramatization and as a mysterious public figure with limited interviews; hosts critique the show's invented characterization.
  • John F. Kennedy Jr. — Person · Core topic (historical figure in discussed series) · 2 mentions · first at
    Central figure in the show the hosts are watching; discussed in terms of portrayal, career struggles, and relationships.
    Yeah. I have more time to finish Love Story. A John F. Kennedy Jr. and Caroline bet story.
  • Donald C. Murphy — Person · Referenced creator / subject of critique · 5 mentions · first at
    Discussed as the producer behind the JFK Jr./Carolyn Bessette series; hosts critique his creative choices and perceived personal grudges in the portrayal.
    Like and everyone's saying it's so amazing. It's so amazing. And I've kind of been off Ryan Murphy for a while. I don't do American Horror Story. Like all of his shows are like so freaky. I loved the OJ one or yeah OJ and Monica.
  • Leighton Meester — Person · Core topic (celebrity news item) · 2 mentions · first at
    A full story segment addresses her red-carpet exchange with Ariana Grande and her explanation on a podcast.
  • Ariana Grande — Person · Core topic (celebrity news item) · 1 mention · first at
    Involved in the discussed red-carpet moment with Leighton Meester; referenced as 'Ari' in the exchange.
    Our next story clearing up some drama between Leighton Meester and Ariana Grande. Leon Mester is defending her awkward exchange with Ari at the Critics's Choice Awards and explaining what she thought was going on. So we.
  • Jackson Claude — Person · Referenced host identity (self-intro) · 2 mentions · first at
    Named in the opening as part of the host introduction, indicating on-mic presence/branding for the episode.
  • Dr. Mo Hannah — Person · Referenced person (portrayal complaint) · 3 mentions · first at
    Mentioned as JFK Jr.'s former partner; hosts argue the show treats her unfairly, attributing it to Ryan Murphy's bias.
    Oh well. Okay. So I'm like learning a lot. And Justice for Daryl Hannah who was like an actress at the time who was dating JFK for like many years before.
  • Robert F. Kennedy (RFK) — Person · Referenced historical figure (Kennedy family context) · 2 mentions · first at
    Mentioned while discussing the complexity and size of the Kennedy family tree.
    There's a lot. I don't know which generation it is, but like RFK's siblings. He has a lot of siblings.
  • Naomi Watts — Person · Referenced actor (casting critique) · 1 mention · first at
    Criticized for her portrayal of Jackie O in the discussed Ryan Murphy series.
    They got two actors who really look like Excuse me. I'm sorry. Naomi Watts sucks as Jackie O. I do believe it's very hard to play Jackie O. I made fun of Natalie Portman, too. jock like you have to talk socked. and she's not doing.
  • Mark Wahlberg — Person · Referenced celebrity (Calvin Klein anecdote) · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned in a story about Calvin Klein replacing him after a controversy, as framed by the hosts.
    She's like seeing this guy and she decides like she just wants to make him the next they had to replace Mark Wahberg after his like slur drama. Do you remember that?
  • Natalie Portman — Person · Referenced actor (comparison point) · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned as another example of someone who struggled with portraying Jackie O's accent/voice.
    Excuse me. I'm sorry. Naomi Watts sucks as Jackie O. I do believe it's very hard to play Jackie O. I made fun of Natalie Portman, too. jock like you have to talk socked. and…
  • Taylor Swift — Person · Referenced celebrity (cultural tie-in) · 1 mention · first at
    Briefly referenced as part of the broader Kennedy-related pop-culture 'lore' the hosts associate with the story.
    I really need to get into it. And then of course the Taylor Swift of it all.
  • Edgar Bergen — Person · Referenced person (memoir anecdote) · 1 mention · first at
    Named as a model figure in the show and as someone who allegedly wrote a memoir claiming continued involvement with Carolyn.
    Like Brad Pitt? Who is it supposed to be? And it was this guy I never heard of Michael Bergen. of course he wrote a memoir after Carolyn died saying they continued their…

Books & papers

  • Emily G. — Book · Referenced book (tie-in to JFK Jr./Carolyn story) · 1 mention · first at
    Cited as a fanfiction-like novel about John and Carolyn that informed one host's understanding of the story.
    I learned about Carolyn and meant to be by Heavenly Gifin.

Companies & orgs

  • Calvin Klein — Company · Referenced brand / setting detail · 2 mentions · first at
    Appears as part of the 'chic' NYC era in the JFK Jr./Carolyn story; discussed via modeling/branding plot points and Mark Wahlberg history.
    Bad it is. But the story itself and these two people are so inherently interesting and like the time in New York, the Calvin Klein, like it's so chic. The show is amazing…

Concepts & topics

  • The Voice — Concept · Aspirational role / recurring joke · 2 mentions · first at
    One host states a dream job is being a judge on The Voice, contrasting it with harsher judging formats like Simon Cowell.
    Even get your own dressing room. I am good. I do not want it. My dream job, as is to be a judge on The Voice that you can come to me with.
  • Housewives — Concept · Referenced franchise (interpretive lens) · 1 mention · first at
    Used to suggest Ryan Murphy's motivations and grudges, specifically regarding a Real Housewives figure being 'erased' from the JFK story.
    Good. And the crazy thing is the Carol Radswell eraser because I feel like Ryan Murphy watched Housewives and like hates Carol Rzwell cuz like he literally cut her out and I don't think because Lee's in it.

Media & podcasts

  • Hairspray — Media · Pop-culture reference / discussion tangent · 6 mentions · first at
    Used as a long comedic tangent about characters, themes (segregation), and the quality of the modern adaptation and its director.
  • The Housemaid — Media · Referenced film (entertainment news story) · 3 mentions · first at
    Discussed via an anecdote about Amanda Seyfried's executive producer credit being a 'vanity credit' and whether the movie is good.
  • Summer House — Media · Referenced TV show (Bravo recap) · 2 mentions · first at
    Used for a brief recap focusing on relationship conflict and impending divorce storyline.
    Summer should be fun. It's just a sad thing to watch because like she's obviously like very alone and very depressed and like she can't change this person and he.
  • Gossip Girl — Media · Referenced TV show (context for Leighton Meester) · 1 mention · first at
    Invoked to frame Leighton Meester as 'Blair' and to reference character relationships while discussing her podcast appearance.
    I know. I kind of prefer to just like vibe with Blair, like not Leon.
  • Southern Charm — Media · Referenced TV show (watching update) · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned as part of the hosts' ongoing Bravo viewing and catch-up routine.
    My plate right now. Last night I watched Summer House from the night before and I'm continuing my journey through Southern Charm of getting caught up. So, I was very much in the Bravo sphere.

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Full transcript with timestamps

Good morning. It's the It's Jackson Claude and we're your host. It's your favorite show. The best five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast. They sound amazing. Welcome back to the toast and happy Thursday. I hope everybody's having a part delicious, depiticious, and also a fergalicious weekend. Or Thursday. Just Oh, Friday. Wait,

Thursday? It's Thursday. I've kind of thought it was Friday all morning. Oh, that's a bummer for you because I was about to say I didn't want to jinx it, but I felt like this week was kind of like cruising by in a timely manner. But not if you think it's Friday.

Yeah. Like up until this very moment, it was Friday. But we have our music class and our music class is on Thursdays.

Yeah. H interesting how the mind works. Well, it is Thursday. That changes your feelings.

Yeah. Worse, for sure. Yeah. But you have more time to accomplish the things that you need to accomplish this week.

Sure. How does that sound? Yeah. I have more time to finish Love Story. A John F. Kennedy Jr. and Caroline bet story.

You're watching it. I am. I got like hoodwinkedked. Everyone was talking about it. And you know what? Like and everyone's saying it's so amazing. It's so amazing. And I've kind of been off Ryan Murphy for a while. I don't do American Horror Story. Like all of his shows are like so freaky. I loved the OJ one or yeah OJ and Monica Lewinsky was very good. So, you know, he does like these historical things really well and I this is kind of like a blind spot in American culture for me. I wasn't alive and like I just I don't know. I never got into it, but everyone talking about it like it's so chic. It's so chic. I'm like, you know what? I kind of need to watch it. And I started it with Ben and it was so funny because the first scene is like the very end of their story and then they go back in time and they're like getting into a plane.

Yeah. Ben has no idea. He's like, "This show is amazing." and like he's like, "Oh, he flies." Like Ben has no idea what happens. And it's so funny. Um, and I really don't know a lot about her, about the Kennedys in general. It's just like not like a rabbit hole I've ever really gone down. Now I'm obviously like obsessed. And I just want to say like the show is really not good. The acting is so corny. It's almost camp like how bad it is. But the story itself and these two people are so inherently interesting and like the time in New York, the Calvin Klein, like it's so chic. The show is amazing because of that, but don't get it twisted. Like, it's not a It's not a show that's I think done well.

It's not a job well done. No, but I It's very hard to [ __ ] up. They got two actors who really look like Excuse me. I'm sorry. Naomi Watts sucks as Jackie O. I do believe it's very hard to play Jackie O. I made fun of Natalie Portman, too. Like, jock like you have to talk socked. Um, and she's not doing a good job either. Um,

but I think anyone who does that accent, like I would have thought Jackie O playing it was weird. which is a weird way to talk.

She's a weird lady. Um, so like I have problems with like a lot of it and it's not good, but it's so good. And the crazy thing is the Carol Radswell eraser because I feel like Ryan Murphy watched Housewives and like hates Carol Rzwell cuz like he literally cut her out and I don't think

because Lee's in it. Not Lee, her Anthony. Yeah. Yeah. He is JFK Junior's best. He's in the scene. I've only watched two and a half episodes. He's in it 10 times already. So, and I've heard that she's not in the show at all, but like she was there. I thought maybe in Housewife she was like lying about her involvement. And again, I didn't really know the players, so her saying like she was best friends with like Jack Jack. Like, sure.

No, she was there. Or maybe she wasn't according to Ryan Murphy. You know, Ryan Murphy hates her for sure.

Oh, that's so interesting. And now I'm just putting all the pieces together because he keeps going to, you know, dinner at home with Jackie O and his sister Caroline. Caroline, Jack Schllober's mom. So, like I didn't really understand like the Kennedy dynasty and like who's married to who. Yeah. And I know that like Arnold Schwarzenegger's wife is in there a little bit. Like I need to learn a little bit. Um

there's a lot of kids like actually it reminds me of my favorite Tik Tok. You would love this.

There's a lot. I don't know which um generation it is, but like RFK's siblings. He has a lot of siblings.

Oh, right. And then RFK. Right. Okay. Do you know these? Okay. I This is my favorite video. They like do singing. They make songs about like big families. They did. What about the Kardashians? Yes, I've seen THEM

Lady Jackie passion. We love you, Lady Jackie. Jackie Kennedy knows Patrick Schwarzeneggered USA at one point attorney until he had to resto and don't forget that RF So like the lore on the Kennedys, I know I'm not the first person to ever say this, but like the point is really crazy. Like

I've not really gotten into them either. Yeah, I did read one book that was like fanfiction of John and Harrowan. The um

meant to be I think it was called Emily G. Yeah. Oh, it was so amazing. You know, I think

I like that version. I really need to get into it. And then of course the Taylor Swift of it all.

Yes. Yes. There's just a lot of them. I think you would like the show. And also like you were learning about Caroline bet. Like she was kind of plucked from obscurity like she was working at the mall.

I I learned about Carolyn and meant to be by Heavenly Gifin. Correct. No, it's really like it's good. And not because I can't stress enough like the show is not like the acting is so bad. But I also like Ryan Murphy's like clearly taking out personal grievances like based on his interpretation of like their relationship. Like John M. Kennedy Jr. was like such a loser. Like he could not get arrested. He failed the bar exam three like two and a half times. And he was like this isn't district attorney but like because of who he was and they have a rule if you're like in the district attorney's office like you have to pass the bar within three times. So when he didn't pass each time it was like big headline news. So he was just like a loser. He didn't know who he was.

He like wanted to start a political magazine called George. I don't know what ends up happening with that. Like this whole thing is like a spoilerfree zone for me because I have no idea. Um and then Caroline Bette was just like she was that girl.

Yeah. But also I was reading a Tik Tok. Um yeah, I read Tik Toks. Reading a Tik Tok about how like Caroline Bette never did any interviews. Like nobody really knows her personality. So the girl playing her is just kind of like making [ __ ] up like

Yeah. based off of like photos. She's like very cool girl. She was like having sex with a lot of people and like you see her boobs in the show which I thought was weird cuz that's so not Caroline.

No, I know. So like that's that's kind of like undignified like for Yeah. I've seen her boobs twice already.

She didn't ever even give an interview and you're showing us her boobs. I know. It was very

She wouldn't like that. But like I don't know where they're getting this information from

that she's like cool girl like out every night. Like she never does cocaine. Like everybody around her does cocaine.

Probably from like the people who knew her, you know, probably after everything happened with them. Like people shared like tributes about her.

Oh well. Okay. So I'm like learning a lot. And Justice for Daryl Hannah who was like an actress at the time who was dating JFK for like many years before. And she's like Ryan Murphy hates her. Like she's such a loser. Like

what does Ryan Murphy like? It's a love letter to Caroline bet. She's so [ __ ] cool. Except the actress has to stop doing this. She's always biting her lip and it's like girl, there are other like gestures. She doesn't stop doing it. I don't even know what's trying to convey. It's not like sexy. It's like she's thinking.

She went to the Carrie Bradshaw School of Acting. The girl like it's so turn. She's like jogging around New York City with her curly blonde hair. Whatever. Um, back to what I was saying

about what? Oh, Daryl Hannah. Oh, and so then like they haven't even gotten together yet. It's like the love story of like how they got together. And she um is like this big head honcho. She like discovered Kate Moss at Calvin Klein. She's like always discovering people and she's like seeing this guy and she decides like she like she just wants to make him the next they had to replace Mark Wahberg after his like um slur drama. Do you remember that?

No. He was the face of Calvin Klein. Like he was also like a rapper and then he had a slur and they like had to get rid

Marky Mark and the funky bunch. So they had to get rid of Marky and the bunch. Um, so they were looking for a replacement and she's like this guy she's [ __ ] he's really handsome and like a model so she makes him whatever. And I was looking like who is it? Is it like Brad Pitt? Who is it supposed to be? And it was this guy I never heard of Michael Bergen. Um, of course he wrote a memoir after Carolyn died saying they continued their relationship during her and JFK Junior's relationship. Now he was giving like [ __ ] Like if that's the case like don't put it in a book. The fact that you're putting in a book makes me think that it's not true.

No. And like have some respect for the spoiler alert dead. You know like we didn't need to know that.

Yeah. Yeah, I just kind of like need Carol Roswell to speak up. Maybe she has. Would you even know?

No, I don't follow her on platforms, but like the eraser of Carol Roswell, okay,

is real. I think you would enjoy it. Maybe I'll watch it. I have so much on my plate right now. Last night I watched Summer House from the night before and I'm continuing my journey through Southern Charm of getting caught up. So, I was very much in the Bravo sphere. Summer House is as predicted. It's just going to be like copy paste every episode of like Hy and Amanda fighting, making the house uncomfortable until they eventually divorce in four months from what we're watching now. They're gonna

There's another TV show. They're going to live like this for four more months where they literally like they they don't like each they it's so painful to watch. Like it really is. And they're both so sad, you know? And it's and it's just sad. It's not like tea or anything.

Summer should be fun. It's just a sad thing to watch because like she's obviously like very alone and very depressed and like she can't change this person and he

is just like sad he's alone in this world like he's very sad and you know separating the art from the artist

cuz I know we have personal grief just watching this character on a TV show I'm like sad for both of them and it's clear that they can't make each other happy. So like why why are we still trying? But then she'll like say nice things about him. She'll be like I'm I can't help it. I'm in love with him.

Well that's what I was saying like before they announced their divorce. I actually like stopped thinking that they were bad for one another because their love must have been so great to carry them through like really unforgivable things and she must have loved him so so much. Like so at that point like I almost was rooting for them.

Yeah. But the love wasn't enough. The love wasn't enough. Is it ever? Cuz that was like really all they had at the end.

I don't think they were like a well- matched couple. They don't have love. That's not

Sorry, not at the end. Like but for the most part like that was all they really had. Like they just loved each other. No, I don't think so.

Yeah. I mean, why else would you stay? Like, seriously, why else? I don't know. Maybe just cuz like you can just like be comfortable with someone like they're your best friend and like and she keeps saying that's my best friend. I'm like, no, Sierra's your best. The way you talk to Sierra, like you're so happy. You're so engaged. The way you talk to him, that's not your best friend.

They they had a fight last weekend and they didn't talk about they didn't talk all week.

And then when they came out, he like goes to apologize and she's like, "Why didn't you talk to me all week?" and and he was like, you know, then he's like, you wouldn't talk to me, whatever. But it's like, you're living in the same apartment. You didn't talk all week.

And then you only talk on TV. That's really bad. Yeah. They're in a really bad place. And I think if they wanted to, they could, you know, work through it, but what why work through it when you are who you are and she is who she is? And you're both going in different directions. Like seriously, why work through it?

Yeah. And also like Kyle is who he is. He has been who he is. And like he's been really upfront about who he is for many years. I feel like she went through a transition and sometimes you just change.

Mhm. In addition to all the other things that are wrong with the marriage, like I think she evolved past him.

Yeah. And evolve past putting up with it. Yeah. Which is good. Yeah. But it's it's going to be a long summer.

It's going to be a long hot summer. We should be together with your feet up on the dashboard now. Oh, I wonder what Keith Urban thinks about Paul Salem.

Oh my gosh. We should have a rival photo of Keith Urban. We should have musician of the week along with businessman. But he's probably sick when he watches the toast and he sees this girl's new man. And one thing about the show, like we are Keith Urban first show. We love Keith Urban.

You're Keith over Nicole. Actually, like I don't know. Let me think really hard. Like

I have to think about all their past history. I mean her step forward wives, him somebody like you.

Yeah. The fighter. Like it's her big little lies. Like I actually don't know whose cultural impact is personally greater.

And then like on a personal level they've they both seem lovely. Yeah. I don't think we have to take sides.

But what about like if Keith and Paul are in a duel? Oh, I'm rooting for Keith.

You're rooting for Keith. Even if it breaks Nicole's heart. Correct. Maybe that's like the journey back to one another, you know?

You think so? Yeah. I do feel like I'm still holding out hope like I'm like they are OTP.

No. When sometimes when couple like whenever I get past the shock of a couple divorcing and then like I'm like, "Okay, they're split up." I'm like, "How were they ever together?"

Oh, no. I I thought what you were going to say and that I think is that when a couple splits up and then gets back together like I don't know how you could lay with someone who you've been broken up with. Like I think that a lot about like Greg and Nene even though I do think they were one of the greatest love stories of our time. Like you went all the way to get divorced and when you get divorced you see like truly the worst side of someone. Then you get back together with them. That's crazy behavior.

No, that I wasn't even saying cuz that's so crazy. I just mean like wow. There was a time where Keith Urban and Nicole Kidman were together. What a

still living in that time. What a time. But that's how I feel about like Kyle and Rand. Like how are these people ever together?

Kim and Kanye. Yeah. Lala and Randall. Laala and Randall. Yeah. One of the greats.

One of the famous couples throughout history. Oh, for sure. If we have famous couples throughout history, I'm dressing up as them.

Oh, you are. I like that. If we have a famous couples throughout history party, I'm dressing up as Joe Manella and Sophia Vgara.

Oh, that's nice. It's just like I know that Randall is like bad bad, but I'm still like living in like the fantasy of what I thought their relationship

what we were told. Yeah. And I know like logically I know but like when I think about like the trope of Lala and Randall like I think it's the what I thought their relationship was like I that sounds nice.

Yeah. Like everybody doubted them but it was a true love until it wasn't. No. And it was nothing of the sort.

No. It was literally a nightmare. Not funny. And you saw she's doing a podcast with his ex-wife.

I did see that. They're making a lot of news. I see a lot of clips. Do you Is it hard for you not to choose them as stories?

No, no, no. It's not It's nothing like there's not like big bombshells being shot, but it's just like the way they interact and like talk about stuff. And I think the ex-wife talks about how it was like so good actually when Lala was with Randall and like having her in the house and like for her kids like it was actually positive.

Yeah. Nice. Beyond like the betrayal once they got past that. Yeah. That Amber Von Tussell is a bigger woman than me.

Yeah, Amber Von Tussell. That's a famous couple thread history. Lincoln Amber. Are you more of a Lincoln Amber Stan or a Tracy and Link Stan?

What do you think? Amber. Like if you had to boil down our personalities, it's literally Tracy be Amber.

It's just like not true for me. No, it's not. But just like aesthetics wise. Yeah. Like on the surface, you might think,

right? But who do you think you really? Are you a Penny? I have bits of Penny like who do you really in your soul not aesthetics like in your soul who do you see yourself in when it comes to the cast of hairspray because I actually see myself as Corny Collins did ask

I was going to say the same okay I was going to say corny that tracks yeah just like affable

sound off in the comments who do you see yourself as non aesthetically but spiritually in the cast of Hairspray I'm also like motormouth Maybel to my core

also Edna turn don't be rude we said in spirit don't be [ __ ] rude we said in spirit

you're kind of missing Pinky. Mr. Pinky. Mr. Pinky. Pink or Jerry Stiller. Love him. There's really no bad answers.

There is. Except Amber Vonessel's mom. Like she's legitimately evil and like racist as hell. Like she's awful.

She is. That's also the weird part about Hairspray. It's like it's such a swirly movie, but there I feel like I've said this before. I'm having deja vu, but it's low-key like addressing like a very difficult time in our country. There's like, you know, segregation and we're like singing about it. It's crazy. No, but I think that's like a great way to like, you know, learn the lesson is through music. I also feel like I relate to Seaweed's little sister, Little Inz.

Yeah. Is she in the original or was she like a a character they created when they redid the movie?

She's in the original because when they go to um Oh, she wins the pageant. Yeah. And when they go to Motormouth Maybell, like she's there, but in the second movie, they gave her her own song like

they explored her a little bit more. They explored Yeah. They developed that character and I think it was a value ad. everything. Okay, we're going down the Hairspray rabbit hole that I just have to say everything they did in the modern adaptation of Hairspray that like you know sometimes they write new music like Wicked wrote original music and they changed the original story line almost always I think those are mistakes like the wicked songs were terrible but without love which was a song they originally wrote for the new adaptation and like the little script changes little Izz's backstory

run and tell that I believe was run and the black of the berry the sweet of like every decision They made in perfection.

Yeah. Who made that movie? I feel like it Sean M for sure. No, I think it was um Oh, was it the guy who does all the all of them?

Adam Shankman. You know him? Oh, he go. Adam Shankman is the Paul McNamera of movie musicals.

Okay. So, Adam Shakeman has done Rock of Ages. Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about.

Hairspray. What Men Want, which I don't think that Mel Gibson movie is what you're talking about. The Pacifier, a perfect movie. Oh, A Walk to Remember, Cheaper by the Dozen. Two, Bringing Down the House. Oh, he obviously loves Steve Martin.

Wedding Planner. Step up. Step up. All the step-ups. The Last Song. 17 Again. The Last Song.

That's amazing. Hairspray. Wait, you guys. Hairspray too. White lipstick. What is Hairspray Too?

How have we not seen that? Oh my god. He did He's All That with Addison Ray. Oh,

that's a perfect movie. I don't know why she stopped making Oh, it was a working title of a now canceled sequel to Hairspray. It was ordered by New Line Cinema and written by John Waters.

John Waters. John Waters wrote the original Hairspray. My bad. It was set to star the original cast minus Michelle Fefeifer as Velma Von Tussle. So, I guess she didn't commit to it, but it never

It was called Hairspray 2: White Lipstick. What the hell does that mean? The last song I feel like you haven't fully ingested that.

No, no, I ingested it, threw it up, put it in a blender, gave birth to it. Like, amazing.

Like, just for that alone. Yeah. So add him to the list of great people who can direct our biopic story.

Yeah, it's a short short list. Sean M. Yeah. Who is it? Just Sean McNamera and what's his name?

Adam Shankman for the time being. Yeah, that should I start a list of great directors. Oh, and Kenny Ortigga.

Oh, of course. So, he's a choreographer. No, but he directs, too. Cuz he did High School Musical.

Yeah, he also did Dirty Dancing, which I feel like is his like greatest claim to fame, which is crazy cuz like I don't care.

To me, that's his flop era. 10,000%. Best directors, Adam Shankman, Sean McNamera. Oh, and then also like No, it's not even the the list is not best directors. It's um like

the only directors we would trust with our No. Um because it's like people who will be involved in our biopic because also I'm trying to remember this guy's name. Hold on. Who is it?

Remember we were talking about that songwriter who's like written all of the songs that we like.

Yes. Was it like the guy who written like One Direction or The Climb? I looked up He could be the one. I thought that's what we were talking about from Hannah Montana.

I feel like it was The Climb that put us on this rabbit hole. No, his name sounded so familiar.

I think it was a woman. Only a woman could write The Climb. I think it was like Jesse something. It wasn't the climate. I think we looked up like who wrote most of

Jesse Alexander and that's a woman. No, it wasn't. It wasn't that person. Do you know that Ed Sheeran wrote 18 by One Direction?

I feel like I do. That's something like they're always trying to shove down my throat like fun facts.

Yeah. Like we don't care. All right. What I'm looking for like when you're on an airplane and they have like pop culture facts, you know?

Right. Right. Okay. Let's get into the stories. We haven't even started the show.

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Thank you, Dr. Turt. You're welcome. Our first story, major news. Ex Prince Andrew arrested on his 66th birthday following Epstein files revelations. Andrew Mountbatten Windsor has been arrested over his ties to

sick that he has that name. I know. Over his ties to convicted rapist and pedophile Jeffrey Epste. The former prince was arrested Thursday, which also happened to be his birthday, on suspicion of misconduct in public office for allegedly forwarding confidential trade documents to Epstein. If convicted, he could face a maximum sentence of life in prison.

It's crazy like what he actually got arrested for. I'm not complaining obviously. I think it's great. But what he got arrested for is like not like the crimes on the island. It was like because he happened to have like a special title which was like a business envoy and forwarding the email is like mail fraud or whatever. So they got him on like a technicality. I'm not upset. It's like Al Capone. They got him on taxes,

right? It's like Theresa Judice, you know? No, I'm kidding. Um, so it's like really crazy that from the Epstein files, like there still have like no arrests been made for like the actual crimes,

right? Up until now. Well, actually, no, he's not arrested for human trafficking in

prostitution, child endangerment, like bringing a child across state lines, like none of it.

Having said that, like a win is a win. I'll take it. Would love to see him locked up. So glad Lilette is not alive to see this.

Yes. Cuz you know, like low key her fatal flaw was that he was her favorite, but like so her greatest crime is loving her child. Like I can't fault her.

Yeah. No, it's very conflicting. I'm glad she's not around to see this, too. Thousand%. You just know Harry and Megan are like having the time of their lives with this piece of information.

Yeah, for sure. And I just know they hated him. Um I think probably like everyone hates him.

I don't know. He was like loved until he was I guess he the way they portrayed him in the crown which is per for me like you know close to what history was that like he was very like affable like the like the the funniest most fun guy in the room like party hard you know I believe it yeah and I think party too hard

I do feel bad for his daughters because they seem like nice girls but I'm sorry justice must be served and I love this I would love to see him in a jumpsuit like Yeah. And King Charles has

I forgot that there's a king issued a statement and it's his brother. Oh my god. Yeah, that's his brother.

Yeah. So his brother's being arrested. He's you know head of state state. So this is what he said. He put out a statement. I think it strikes the right note. He said, "I have learned with the deepest concern the news about Andrew Mountbat in Windsor and suspicion of misconduct in public office. What now follows is the full fair and proper process by which this issue is investigated in the appropriate manner and by the appropriate authorities. In this, as I have said before, they have our full and wholehearted support and cooperation. Let me state clearly, the law must take its course.

Not the law. Not like Andrew. Like they do not give a [ __ ] They're not dying on this hill.

Oh, hell. Sometimes the royal family like goes to bat for their people. Um, and I just don't feel like Charles and Camila are like going to bat for this predator. Like

they gave up on like trying to help him many many years ago. Even Queen Elizabeth did. She had to like sort of boot him out.

Yeah. He like got moved from house to house. Yeah. And he like walks at the very end. I don't even think he walks anymore.

Yeah. And he he wound up still in a big house, but it was like he lost his home.

Mhm. And it was I think it was a home that they had to like pay for privately, not like a publicly funded.

Yeah. He said, "As this process continues, it would not be right for me to comment further on this matter. Meanwhile, my family and I will continue in our duty duty and service to you all." So he said, "I'm still the king. Don't bother me with this mess."

Oh, yeah. Like I waited so long for this title. I'm not getting bogged down. Brother, brother, you're out,

brother. Yeah, lock him up. Yeah. Um I am curious if he'll go to jail. Um and it's crazy that like you know forwarding an email will get you life in prison. Again, I'm not complaining. Um just like happy birthday, you know.

Yeah, maybe more will come out like with a trial maybe. But yeah, six unmarked police cars surrounded his residence in Sandringham.

I wonder if he knew. Are there pictures of him like walking out in cuffs? There are pictures of like the operation. nothing like it's hard to see, but we actually there's like pictures of the cars. Yeah.

I wonder if the media stands outside of his home if of his home all the time or if they knew he was getting arrested.

Yeah. I feel like based on TV shows like they they know that something big is happening, you know, and also if they got a tip something big is happening in the royal family like yesterday, the day before, they would know it's Epstein related and like Andrew cuz that's what everybody

there's not a lot going on in the family now, right? Everyone else is laying low. They have a lot going on. I mean, he's really gotten away with so much. Like, we've known he got like booted out like years ago. So, he's sort of been probably like living in fear of something like this happening for like 5 years now.

Yeah. Yeah. Maybe it's maybe it's a relief for him. Yeah. The path to healing starts.

Even though I agree it's like not even for what you think. Like I literally don't care that he sent an email.

But is there like hard evidence? Yeah. It's like in the files, right? Of sex crimes in the email. You know, when everything is hot dog pizza,

right? No, you can explain, you could say I really circumstantial, it doesn't hold. No. Yeah.

So, it even the ones that like didn't use the code names, it's all circumstantial.

Yeah. It would be hard to like really nail someone for that. Plus, like photos and videos,

but Yeah, that might be tough to do. Yeah. So, ever that's why the internet's just taking it upon themselves.

I'm looking forward to the wheels of justice doing their thing. Yeah. Really crazy news. I I don't know why I thought he was like

done. Done. I thought like publicly like disgraced, but yeah, I didn't know there were there were further consequences waiting for him.

Yeah. Love that. Love that. You love to see it. Are you ready for our next story?

Mhm. Secret Lives of Mormon Wives season 4 trailer dropped. You didn't see? No.

Oh, yeah. Season 4 trailer dropped. They're talking about Come ye saints and come yelu. They're talking about the Bachelorette,

Dancing with the Stars, and Harry Jy makes an appearance. Of course he does. So, it's going to be the best season ever.

He makes an appearance like in what capacity? So, it kind of the way that they framed it in the trailer, which all trailers are lies, is like he's Taylor's date for an event.

Oh, that's cute. Ship. No. So toxic. Beyond toxic. Beyond. But maybe if like the two most toxic chaotic people in the world got together, maybe they would neutralize each other.

Like that's never happened. And when it does, like they temporarily neutralize one another. Like it's not a permanent solution.

Maybe they could like out toxic each other to the point of exhaustion. Maybe they just get so tired they fall asleep together.

But anyways, always happy to see Harry Jay around. I know. If Harry Jazzy has zero fans, like check on me because Jackie's passed away.

Yeah. And she'll miss her sister desperately. Um, so yeah, we're getting Dancing with the Stars.

They turned these around quick. But like it does now feel like a little bit behind because now I'm like, what about Chicago?

And I'm really curious like what Whitney's future is on the show cuz she's kind of like a media darling in New York. Just thought they did a huge piece on her in the cut. Um, and how like New York is like so her and she's leaving Utah behind like a lot of sort of messaging. I think it would be a huge mistake.

I think so too. I feel like she's getting like all these accolades and stuff from like corners of the world where she never would have if she just stayed on Mormon Wives, but I I don't know. And she continues to do more than I think is possible. And I fully support her, so it's not like I'm doubting her, but it's like I would say what comes after Chicago on Broadway really. Like you kind of have to go home, right?

I don't know. But I could see her proving me wrong and then she's like booking another,

you know, playing Amber Von Tussle. She's so Amber. She's playing Fanny Bryce. She ain't She ain't playing Fanny Bryce.

But do you know what I mean? Like I don't even want to put limitations on her because I think she just continues to like break out of every box. But if it were me, I would be like, "Okay, it's great to like be able to do all that, but like go back to the home base, do Secret Lives, and then like dabble in this other world." But maybe because Secret Lives like up until this point has been the engine that has fueled her getting on Dancing with the Stars booking that role. So I know I worry about like where is she without the engine, but she's kind of defied the odds. Sorry, defied the odds

of boring. Yeah. Thus far. Yes. But Chicago and Dancing with the Stars are both like guest things. You know what I mean? Like it will be very interesting to see what she does next and how she parlays both of those things into like you know the next phase of her career because being Roxy in Chicago is like just a stepping stone

right like Erica Jane has done it Ariana it's not a landing no it's a short thing even though she announced something yesterday I was watching with my volume off what did she say

let's see I I from my volume being off I was getting the feeling that it was like she's extending her run

oh that would be good cuz like the tickets I'm completely making that up. No. Okay, I'm hearing that. That's not true.

Don't trust me what I watched on mute. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No subtitles and nothing.

She is on the cover of Brides as of 23 minutes ago. Her and Connor. But she's married already. I guess like you could be married. It's the love issue. Celebrating stories that feel timeless and of this moment. That's a good choice for brides. I don't know about timeless, but definitely of this moment.

And then she did a Sarah Vee ad. And then she had the thing in the cut maybe. Oh, here her in Chicago. Secrets out. Hold on.

Let me see it. Let me After all, I am just a small Oh, yeah. This What did she say?

It turns out New York wants a little bit more than just a Costco sample. I'm not going anywhere, baby.

Right. Officially extending as Roxy Hart in Chicago. I think it's been I think they have a lot of people come to play the role of Roxy Hart like I said Erica Jane um Maddox and I don't think there's really I've never seen people like all over my social media being like can I get a ticket oh they're so expensive I've seen clips of her like going really viral so I do think this is she's probably the most successful Roxy Hart

you think that they've plucked from like reality TV um influencing who else has played Roxy

it's like a it's like a thing that you Yeah. Women who have played Roxy hard on Broadway.

Roxy, I want to say going on Broadway like literally looks like the worst job ever. Like I would never want to do it. Okay. No,

but it's in New York. It's in New York. Yeah. You don't want to do Alyssa Milano. Rumor Willis.

It seems like a lot of the stars winners go Mera Sino. Go play Roxy. and Ashley Graham debuted as Roxy in 2025.

So yeah, Roxy, I've never seen Chicago. Me neither. The name on everybody's lips. Roxy and all that jazz.

So you don't want to play Roxy if they came? No. Like do do not come to me. Do not come.

Please don't ask her to make that decision. No. No. I will say no. Like Broadway is backbreaking. Eight shows a week. Like I'm good and you make like $3. You don't even get your own dressing room. I am good. I do not want it. My dream job, as you know, is to be a judge on The Voice that you can come to me with.

Oh, that's big. Yeah, cuz they need a Simon Cowell over there. Would you do it? You want to be loved?

No. And the the whole thing about The Voice is that if you make it to in front of the judges, it's because you're decent. Like,

right. There's no like trash. Yeah. Um, but say you were on a show where like you needed to be the Simon, would you really do it? Even if it made you like the villain?

Yes. Because I think they're like Simon was mean. I don't think it's mean to say like you need work your pitch like you were off key but I love your dress.

But Simon was interesting because like he did say it in a in a very honest way. Not

Yeah. You can be honest but he was also mean was he like you don't have the look like okay did you just call me fat? Like

it's the singing show. Yeah. Like he's crazy like that because he was looking at it like from a full you know perspective.

Yeah. No. I would just be like vocally I don't think this is for you and I would hate for you to continue wasting your time like on this dream that I don't think is going to happen. That's Paula.

Oh my god. Paula was so not that. It's giving Paula like like just the sweet honest but like

No, but she was like she would always say like come back next year. I would say like don't come back like go become a CPA. Like this is not for you.

Okay. So a blend of like Paula and Simon. Yeah. Blend. Okay. Are you ready for our next story? Our third story.

Yeah. What was the first? Oh, so yeah. Secret Lives. Sorry. There's a lot going on. The show is so good. It's one of my favorite shows. I can't wait to watch it. comes back. It's crazy that we've gotten like three seasons of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives since the season uh premiere of Love Thy Nater. Like where is Love Thy Nater season 2?

March 12th it comes back, right? That's so soon. Well, we started watching Love I guess it was like October that we were watching it. September, October.

Bring it back. Summer Joggers. Joggers. Just bring it back. Yeah. It feels like any day now.

Just bring it back. And they also teased the second half of the show. It was already filmed.

It was It was already done when they premiered the first half. Like, did the show not do well? Is it getting cancelled? I thought it was a hu it was a you know it went number platinum in my house.

But even if it's getting cancelled you already filmed it like just put it up. It cost YouTube something like

just put it up like you already paid for it. Yeah, agreed. Our next story clearing up some drama between Leighton Meester and Ariana Grande. Leon Mester is defending her awkward exchange with Ari at the Critics's Choice Awards and explaining what she thought was going on. So we discussed this red carpet exchange between the two of them. People said like Leighton was being condescending because Ari was like, "Oh my god, I love you." Wow. Wow, wow. And then Leighton turns her poses like, "Wow, wow, wow." And it felt like she was like mocking her. But I believe that our take was like, "I'm going to trust that Leighton like wasn't being a [ __ ] and that there was like something lost in translation here." I'm pretty sure that was the take. Turns out we

Yes. No, we didn't think that. And we gave grace cuz I was like, I don't know. I'm not going to just assume that she's ill intended.

Correct. We were right. How right we were happens. Kind of used to it at this point, you know, like

Lane went on Pod Crushed, which is also I feel like is the big story. Dan Humphrey's podcast. which um is crazy that Blair would like throw him a bone like that.

I don't know. I feel like at the end she was like so like Yeah. Like she loved Dan.

She did love Dan. Kind of a fatal flaw in the end of the show. Yeah. They would never.

No, she would never. That they dated. Yeah. And like it was like a real and it was kind of like right person wrong time, you know? It was like this big great love. It wasn't just like a hookup.

So she was asked about the situation and she cleared up what she thought was happening. So, she said, "Where's this like jump in the article?" She said she was with her publicist when Ari said something to her. She didn't uh she heard her and then she turned to her publicist Kate and we both heard that hi, I love you. Wow. Wow. Wow. Not wow wow wow wow like crying. She said I couldn't hear her. She was like walking away and I was like oh she's kind of a comedy queen. She's just being funny like I love you. Wow wow wow. Like I thought that would be something she would do. And so I was like, "Oh my god, that's cute and funny." So

I just want to say like I'm more confused than ever. I don't feel like this clears up anything. Like I still don't believe it was a malended thing, but I don't really understand what she's saying here.

So I actually do like first of all, this happened in a split second. Yeah. No. And like we're studying it. Like I say weird things all the time and I move on with my life.

Says something to me and I'm like doing an exchange of cordiality. If you said, well, not you because I would just like we

like punch me in the face. No, no, we just like we know we can understand each other.

Yeah, we have like a subliminal. We each other sandwiches. If someone else said something to me and I was in passing, I I might repeat exactly what they said like you know what I mean? So when she thought it was like it's like you look so big.

Yeah. Yeah. It's just like how you communicate. So she thought she didn't even think because there's not a moment to think here. She heard wah wah wah. She go wah wah wah.

I know. And sometimes like I really want to be famous and then like I see the level of discourse about like the most nothing moment. Like if that was me, I I don't even know what I say half the time, what I do half the time, who I'm talking to. Like I'm just trying to like get home, you know? I'm always just trying to like get home.

Especially when you're like in a sea of people like saying hi and bye. That's probably very stressful. Like

you're just like repeating what the person said to you. And that this person's so famous like I have to like now you're studying everything I'm saying and like probably like a like a very pivotal moment for me. It's like you look amazing. You look amazing. Like it's just an echo chamber.

The next time I like complain about not being famous enough, will you just like slap me in the face? Like remind me of this.

I Yeah. I But I do feel like you wouldn't complain about that anymore. Like I feel like you've moved on.

I'm actually really good with where I'm at. Yeah. Yeah. The mass singer like really healed

cured me of ever wanting to be on TV. It healed your inner Claudia. Yeah. Little Claude.

Little little turd. So all to say, turns out she didn't say that. But I still want to be a judge on The Voice. Leighton added that she saw her like the next week and attempted to explain the embarrassing mistake and she's like, "You thought I said wow wow wow. That's so funny."

Well, what did she say? And wow, wow, wow. Because it's Blair. So, she was and then Blatton was like, "No, it's an old person not being able to hear. Like, that is so embarrassing." So, I think she's handled this very well.

She took the like she like made it about her being old. So, like what are what can you say?

Did they talk like about Gossip Girl like not in a meaningful way because but I didn't see it anywhere. This is the headline,

right? So, well, you know, Leon, I know. I have to pry it from our cold dead hands.

I know. Like, I kind of prefer to just like vibe with Blair, you know, like not Leon.

I prefer to have separate relationships with each of them. So, I have my relationship with Blair. We're very close.

Yeah. And then I have my relationship with Leighton and you know, Wow. Wow. Wow.

And then you have your cousins and then you have your first cousins cousins. Yeah. And I think that's how Leighton likes it and that's how Leighton sees it. I love that. Are you ready for our fourth story?

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You're welcome. Our next story, Amanda Safe says that she didn't know she was a producer on The Housemmaid until three weeks into filming and says that it's a vanity credit because she didn't do [ __ ] to make the movie. She only acted. So Amanda Safe was on the Graham Norton show and was being asked about the movie being a boost to her career, not only as an actor, but also as an executive producer. She later admitted that the title is a pure vanity credit. She said, "I'm a producer on it." And I didn't know until 3 weeks in. I saw the call sheet and I was like, "Executive producer? I didn't sign up for that." I called one of the producers and was like, "You guys have me on as an executive producer." And he was like, "That's what your agent negotiated." And I was like, "Well, this really better be a hit then." It was one of those vanity credits because I didn't do [ __ ] to make that movie. I only acted in it. That's

the thing about vanity credits. I don't want people to get it twisted. What Margot Robbie does is really intensely develop movies from Jump. I just jumped in, had a bunch of fun, and left. And now I'm like, they're sending me on a vacation. Every time I hear Amanda Freed speak like

I just like I don't know what you mean. I just kind of roll my eyes, you know? I feel like first of all, this is like a really poor reflection on her. Like how little do you know about your business? You don't even know you're an executive producer of huge movie. And yes, I feel like her saying this like makes other I'm like if you're not as media literate like you would think oh like Sydney Sweeney is also, you know, just like doing when there are actually a lot of women who take on like very creative roles outside of acting on the movies that they star in and it's not a vanity credit like Cindy Sweeney is one of those girls who I feel like she has a lot to do with the projects she signs on to beyond just acting. She like funds a lot of the movies. She's like has a production company. She's like I think taking um Margot Robbie as a you like a role model of hers and then yes Margot Robbie. So I'm glad that she made that

distinction but it's like okay yeah it does sort of minimize like people who are in movies

but that have executive producer credits. Not a lot of people know about like the whole vanity credit thing where it's like almost all the time when I'm watching something and there's like a big star in it when the credits roll it's like executive producer Kate and it's like well I know you didn't produce. So but not a lot of people know that that's like a fake title. So yeah, like kudos to her for being transparent here.

Yeah, I think people would appreciate the transparency and the point of a vanity credit and like having her name as a producer is you make more money, right?

If the movie succeeds, then like you get like a and that's a good thing for her agent to negotiate.

Yeah, it sounds like she has a stellar team. Yeah, it is crazy that like she wouldn't know that and that she would also share that. And I guess that's what makes her authentic and relatable for those who love her.

For the m what's her name? For the mises. Mi for the mi stands. Yeah. Okay. Cool.

I've heard Housemaid was really good though. There's so many things I need to see. I need to see Housemaids. I need to see Withering Heights. I heard it was amazing.

Withering. Marty Supreme is on demand now. Is it? Okay, I'll watch it. Actually, I'm actually going to start a

You're going to start a content plate because I've been meaning and I just see Houseade is on demand. Let's have a movie night.

Okay. Oh, wait. I have a really good idea for a movie night. Housemade, Marty Supreme Withering Heights. Okay. What's your idea? Oh, well, like for like us have a swirly movie night. I'll tell you about it later.

Okay. I'm like scared. It's gonna be amazing. Great. Like pajama party. Great. I love that.

Are you ready for our fifth and final story? Some more actors being weird news.

Oh my god. What now? No, it's a weird club. Okay. Sophie Turner and I haven't heard that name in forever.

And Kit Harrington are starring in a movie together where they play lovers and they said they gagged after kissing each other on screen while making their new horror movie

cuz they once played siblings. Cuz they once played siblings. Then I guess they became to feel like siblings while playing siblings on Game of Thrones. So the two actors who grew close playing siblings, Sansa and John Stark on Game of Thrones, evidently struggled while sharing an on-screen smooch in their new movie, The Dreadful. In a

Oh, I love the title, The Dreadful. In a video shared by Entertainment Tonight, they can be seen kissing in character, playfully wretching after the director calls cut. The crew then can be heard laughing as the two actors are pretending to be sick. So, in Vogue last year, Sophie had jokingly said that she's like apologized to Game of Thrones fans by saying it's really weird for all of us that her and kid are playing lovers in a new horror film. She also said she um recalled like looking at the script for the movie before shooting and she saw nothing but kiss kiss sex kiss sex. I'm like, "Oh, shoot. That's my brother."

Well, I do appreciate anytime actors talk about like the weirdness of and like not being like, "It's normal. What are you guys talking about?" like no it's not. So I do appreciate that here. I do also think like that's kind of the curse of being in such a popular show. I can't we talk about this all the time. It's almost like a careerending show aside from Sophie Turner who after that like did go on to do other things. A lot of them like were sort of crippled by the bigness of that show and you're just like stuck as Sansa, stuck as John. Um and like yeah this is yucky and I think it's a big mistake on the casting director's part.

But what's also weird is she put him up for this role. She said she like thought he would re be really good for it.

Whatever happened to the guy who played Rob Stark? He's in like The Bodyguard. Yeah. One show like a million years ago.

He's always nominated for [ __ ] No. Like he was when his show comes out, you know, shows come out.

Show hasn't been on in like many years. He did okay for himself. He did fine. I

And he was in Cinderella. Mhm. He had a couple of good years. But I don't know. Amelia Clark. Where in the world is Daenerys Targaryen?

Well, she did a couple like romcoms, but she also has had some health issues, has she?

Yeah. Jason Mimoa like was barely on the show, which is why I think he evaded the curse.

Mhm. Oh, Nicolage was in the other Woman. He went on to do amazing things. Peter Dinglage always

was famous. Always slays was famous before. Yeah. But I think also the sort of things that these actors might be in now, like you know,

we don't watch Mount Batten. Oh. Oh, also, yeah, that the person who played Prince Phillip.

No, the person who played What's the [ __ ] is his name? Oh, Charles. Um, Charles,

the person who played who played Tywin Lannister, Cersei's dad. Yeah. Tywin Lannister played Yeah. Uncle Mount Batten. Thank you.

But also the person who played Prince Phillip, young Phillip is David. The person who killed old Phillip.

Yeah. Is the guy of the seven scepters. You know that like crazy priest. But of course the seven se shame, right?

Yeah. Yeah. Of course. Who could forget? Yeah. So I think if you watch more like British time piece like Yeah.

you will see your people. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. They don't like make swirly romances.

No, they don't make swirly romances. Um, so anyways, yeah, this is like weird for the viewers, weird for the actors. Even though it's like you guys played brother and sister, but they could have dated on. Just cuz they were playing siblings like doesn't mean they couldn't have fallen in love.

And did Kate Harrington marry that wildling? Yes. In real life. Ros Ross Lesley. She was in

Downtown Abbey. She got out. Yeah, she did. Um, yeah. Like the British world like they all overlap over there.

Yeah. And you know who's a part of that world? Who? Joe Alwin. Barely. Please. He's a flop.

That's why you don't see him around. If I'm [ __ ] dead. He's tucked into those movies.

I've never seen him in anything except the first couple of episodes of Normal People, which I did not enjoy. And he was having sex. And I said, "Get out of here.

Normal People Conversations with Friends, which was the way worse version of Normal People."

Yeah. Joe Owen is not in that crew. What's unfortunate is that this movie like doesn't sound good because well I don't like horror movies so I've never seen one but like if this was like and never seen one

I've never seen a horror movie or like a scary movie. Have I? I think I saw the Grinch.

You saw The Grudge you and Margo one time. And like we were terrified for life.

I've never seen one. And also I never saw the ring but I used to do the ring thing.

Oh, you love that. And you also Who am I? The ring. You also love Here's Johnny. You've never seen The Shining?

Nope. It's spooky as [ __ ] Like I've never seen it. That's crazy. And Red Rum. You've seen

That's The Shining. Okay. Red. Yeah. No, I've seen the The Shining. You like need to watch it.

I don't think so. I've made it all this way in my life. You recently been saying actually a lot. Here's Cuz he goes crosseyed.

Here's Johnny. Did you go crossey? I didn't get to see. You did light. Light. Okay. You can stop now.

Yeah. Know what? I have to just always just go back. I hate you. Just go back. Um, yeah. So, I won't be seeing this, but like if it was a swirly flick, I would love to watch it.

Yeah. My two faves back at it again. Like make more swirly flicks. Yeah. And I guess like when you come from the world of Game of Thrones, like you watched Cersei and Jamie have sex. You watched Daenerys and John have sex. So like incest is very much like not a big deal.

It's sort of the name of the game. I'm surprised Sansa and John never got it on. And they were also half.

They were half. Actually, not even half. They were cousins because he was the sister.

He was raised as a sibling. But he was the sister's baby. Baby. They're cousins. That's nothing.

Literally the least big deal ever. You have your cousins. Cousins, your first cous. And they were first cousins. That's nothing.

Nothing. Especially not in Westeros. That's a match made in heaven. In medieval times.

That's literally an ideal marriage. Yeah. Did they Who ended up with whom in a romantic sense?

Yeah. John, he went killed. No, he went north of the wall and he killed. Oh, no. But who did he end up with

romantically? Nobody. And Sansa, she's queen of the north. Single. Very much like matriarch energy.

I love that. She's a single woman. Respect. However, like who's going to carry on?

She'll figure it out. Okay. Maybe she'll get a surrogate or something. I don't know.

Okay. I just I feel like they need to think that through like all these years like a lot of time

they always they emphasize so much there's always been a stock in the north and now we're going to end the line now. Did she have a baby at any point in the show?

No. She was like very busy. She was like Ramsay Bolton's like prisoner. Yeah. Joffrey.

She was like stuck. Little finger. She was stuck. Yeah. No, she had a hard time for sure. I would have hoped she would have found love. That feels like a plot hole. No, it feels like we're just supposed to believe like she ends up with a happy ending. It doesn't matter who. Like she'll figure it out. Okay.

Now that there's peace in the realm now that there and she can focus on things like romance, like a Dalian. But she's been so burned by what she thought was love.

Oh, Sansa. Spoiler alert. Yeah, about that. Well, that's that on that. Guys, it's just been beautiful to spend this time with you.

It's been a pleasure. A true pleasure. Why don't you wrap us up today? In my own fashion,

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