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The Story of Us: The Toast, Friday, December 12th, 2025

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "The Story of Us: The Toast, Friday, December 12th, 2025", an episode of The Toast published December 12, 2025 (1 h 38 min, about 21,601 words). It mentions 21 people, works and ideas, including Jenny McCarthy, Mass Singer, Zorhan Mam Donnie, Khloe Kardashian, Jackson Claude.

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 10:00: Jackson Claude, Jaclyn Flet, Jenny McCarthy
  2. – 20:00: Zoe Des Chanel, Jenny McCarthy
  3. – 40:00: HBO Max, Khloe Kardashian, Warner Brothers, Jacob Meyers Norris
  4. – 50:00: Hannah Burner, Kyle Cook, Morgan Wallen
  5. – 1:10:00: Jenny McCarthy, Mass Singer, Zorhan Mam Donnie, Jackson Claude
  6. – 1:20:00: Amber Riley, Jenny McCarthy, Mass Singer, Sherry Shepard
  7. – 1:30:00: Mass Singer, Harry and Megan
  8. – 1:38:03: Formless Beauty, Jenny McCarthy, Khloe Kardashian, Mass Singer

Notable quotes from "The Story of Us: The Toast, Friday, December 12th, 2025"

  • Good morning, girlies. It's the It's Jackson Claude and we're your host.
    about Jackson Claude · at
  • An extra interview. I had an extra guest that I'm putting in today's episode. I sat down with Jenny McCarthy. We had a nice little conversation at the end of today's episode. She's talking all things. she has my dream job.
    about Jenny McCarthy · at
  • Do it. Yeah. And the thing is that it's very clear that it was always Chanel Jones. Her she took time off like a sbatical because her husband had braid cancer and I think they…
    about Zoe Des Chanel · at
  • Khloe Kardashian is shooting her shot with a hot high school teacher.
    about Khloe Kardashian · at
  • My bad. My bad. Okay. Oh, we have been talking extensively about the sale of Warner Brothers and HBO Max and the hostile takeover. And now Paramount might raise their bid for Warner Brothers by 10% after now going hostile.
    about HBO Max · at
  • About like one of the worst individuals on the planet. Lever boy founder Kyle Cook was caught shotgunning a Truly. I have to just tell you something like this is exactly what I want to talk about right now.
    about Kyle Cook · at
  • Five years and then maybe I can come back. But when your job literally and even on Mass Singer, my lane I'm in, I'm hired as the pop culture guru.
    about Mass Singer · at
  • Formless beauty. I created this out of a desperate need cuz I have so much stuff wrong with me. I have an MTHFR gene mutation. If you don't know what that is,.
    about Formless Beauty · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • Jenny McCarthy — Person · 10 mentions · first at
  • Zorhan Mam Donnie — Person · 4 mentions · first at
    I'd fall asleep at night, you know those when you're falling Yeah. Literally be Donnie's Your body's having earthquakes from the amount of stress. I'm sure they'd be Let's talk about the hostage negotiations and whether the.
  • Khloe Kardashian — Person · 3 mentions · first at
  • Jackson Claude — Person · 2 mentions · first at
  • Zoe Des Chanel — Person · 2 mentions · first at
  • Kyle Cook — Person · 2 mentions · first at
  • Jaclyn Flet — Person · 1 mention · first at
    My guest co-host for today is the girl, the woman, the mother, the sister, the friend. It's Jaclyn Flet. Hello, Jackie Flet. Welcome back to the toast.
  • Jacob Meyers Norris — Person · 1 mention · first at
    So, Khloe Kardashian is currently going viral for shooting her shot with a hot high school teacher named Jacob Meyers Norris in a flirty exchange on Instagram. So, last week…
  • Morgan Wallen — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Nashville's Broadway Street and ended up in random people's houses and all these like Snapchats of like Morgan Wallen walking through somebody's suburban home went viral…
  • Hannah Burner — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Now, Kyle Cook famously allegedly got Hannah Burner fired because when they were on the show, Hannah Burner, started getting a lot of Instagram followers and with that comes brand deals and one of the brands she was.
  • Amber Riley — Person · 1 mention · first at
    I'm one of those unique people. It's cool that you guys have like obviously you know Amber Riley once from Glee like she's the best voice ever. Like we knew that. I think the…
  • Sherry Shepard — Person · 1 mention · first at
    Sherry Shepard came on and she walked on the stage. I go, I know that walk.
  • Harry and Megan — Person · 1 mention · first at
    What do you make of Harry and Megan?
  • Charlie Puth — Person · 1 mention
  • Jack Ruby — Person · 1 mention
  • Ken — Person · 1 mention
  • Rachel Zoe — Person · 1 mention

Companies & orgs

  • HBO Max — Company · 2 mentions · first at
  • Warner Brothers — Company · 2 mentions · first at
    My bad. My bad. Okay. Oh, we have been talking extensively about the sale of Warner Brothers and HBO Max and the hostile takeover. And now Paramount might raise their bid for Warner Brothers by 10% after now going hostile.
  • Formless Beauty — Company · 2 mentions · first at

Concepts & topics

Full transcript with timestamps

Good morning, girlies. It's the It's Jackson Claude and we're your host. It's your favorite show. The best five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to the toast and happy Friday. That really feels like a Friday cuz we're [ __ ] celebrating. [ __ ] if you're watching this, you already know my guest co-host for today is the girl, the woman, the mother, the sister, the friend. It's Jaclyn Flet. Hello, Jackie Flet. Welcome back to the toast.

Hey, how y'all doing? Oh, girl, we are so ready for you to be back. I'm so excited to be back. Today is a momentous occasion and it's the Friday is Friday that ever Friday because it's the final day of the week. It's the final show of the year and we're wrapping wrapping everything up with a bow

that we are. We have such an amazing show today. Jax is back. You know, I kind of over booked, overextended myself this maternity leave season that I had an extra interview. I had an extra guest that I'm putting in today's episode. I sat down with Jenny McCarthy. We had a nice little conversation at the end of today's episode. She's talking all things. You know, she has my dream job. She's a singer on a She's a judge on a singing competition. My lifelong dream. She's so cool. Like, she'll talk about anything. You know, some people are weird. Like, they don't want to talk about the thing or whatever. She did not give a single note. She's like, "Oh, let's just No, like some people have like the thing that made them famous they don't want to talk about. Some people have like, "Oh, well, I don't want to talk about this scandal." Like, Jenny don't give a [ __ ] Like, she'll talk about anything.

Jenny doesn't give a [ __ ] It was a fab convo that's just like randomly at the end of today's episode, but I think you guys are going to love.

Love that. Jax is back and say, "No, it's Jackson and Ty." Ty and Jack, you guys.

Not only is it Jack and Ty, Ty and Jack, but um my son, it's Max and Ruby. It's Max and Ruby. And everybody was telling us that like as if we didn't know that when

as if we didn't do it on purpose when we named him. But yes, like Max and Ruby, my son, my third son. If you aren't a patron, I've had a third son and his name is Max.

Um, if this is your first time hearing from me in a few weeks, um, my son's name is Max and we've got Max and Ruby, Ruby and Max. And if you aren't a patron, then you did miss Jackie was all over the Patreon this month. If you didn't see us recapping, not recapping, yeah, recapping Dancing with the Stars, Secret Lives of Mormon Wise, like all the things that were like sort of coming to an end as Jackie was starting her leave, we covered it all. So, if you're looking for Jackson's opinions on Dancing with the Stars finale, Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, new season, the reunion, it's all on the Patreon. Today's episode is going to be a regular episode. I've got five stories. They stink, but like, who cares? We're together.

Classic stories. And honestly, the story is us. The reunification. I used to think one day would tell the story of us, how we met in the spot. Let me just say this. You could not have come back a minute too soon.

Why? What was about to happen? Nothing was about to happen, but like let me just say I'm really glad you're back for a multitude of reasons. Like you're my sister, yada yada. The way if I never have to interact with another publicist ever again. And one day I will tell my truth of all the like everyone was a nightmare.

Everyone was a nightmare. Let me tell you, like people are insane. Working with talent. Like I'm so glad we are not an interview based show. Like it's awful. Everyone thinks that they're so special important. I can't even get into it, you guys. And it's not the people you would think. It's never the stars, right? Like, oh my god, you guys. One day I will tell my truth on patreon.com/toast. But until then, thanks to everybody who stopped by.

Free idea. Another memoir called Cojourer's Truth. Yes. I'll just leave that there. Think about it.

Okay. And is there any what else about just the title? Well, and that's where you share your truth because of you couldn't share it to Ben.

And do you know what my truth is? What's your truth today? Every time I pick up the phone, Jackie and I, we FaceTime like every we're not on like the same feeding schedule, but we're getting there. Um, so we're always like both in our chairs

and the phone, shout out, I think it's called the best recliner. Jackie picks up the phone and she says, "Hey, Cojer, what's your truth?" And you know what? I do always have like a truth to share with her.

What's your truth today? My truth today actually Oh, by the way, this is a great segment,

right? Yeah, it is. It'll be called Cojer's Truth and it's like you have to share a secret.

Cojer's corner. Core Joners. Core Jourer's truth. But I do have a truth today. Okay. You don't know it because like you see me and I look so like glamorous and beautiful, but underneath all this, I'm covered in cabbage. Like there's cabbage everywhere.

I love that for you. One, it means that like you've started your weaning journey, but the cabbage is so effective in absorbing the breast milk. It absorbs right up.

It absorbs right up. I love that. And no, it really will help if you're having like engorgment because like you're not feeding as much. Like it really brings down your supply and it's kind of a a look, don't you think? Like fashion wise.

No, like the cabbage bra. It's a look, I'm telling you. But yeah, it's going to be like very tropical, but it's not necessarily a look. Everyone I spoke to was like, even Snookie, she was like, "You have to do the cabbage." But it smells. Everybody's like, "It smells. It smells." Let me tell you, I kind of like the smell. It can't be worse, seriously, than like when you have really bad like breast milk smell in your bra. Like sweaty boobs, spoil milk. Like I've dealt with worse.

I did not find the cabbage to smell. And if it does smell, it's a smell that I didn't mind.

And it's a snack. You've got a built-in snack. Is she going to eat cabbage? No.

Okay. That was yucky. It's like rubbery. I was like, she'll do anything for the craft.

So, what's your truth? That's mine. My truth is that I'm very happy to be here. It's a very big milestone to be like back on the show on video, not just audio, which I could do in my sleep, but like getting ready. Plus, I had a dream of making a brisket today in the crockpot and that just couldn't happen after the toast today. So, I got up extra early, which I was going to do anyway to give myself enough time to prepare for the show and like enough my feeding schedule. I don't pump so like I'm every three hours need to be available. Um, so I've had a very busy morning. Feels like the afternoon. I have a brisket in the croc. I've got two hours runway ahead of me until my next feeding. So, I'm excited to be here.

Talk about some stories. Talk about some of the things that I've seen on this show in the last few weeks. Some of things I've seen on other shows that I've been watching.

What? Oh, you mean like TV shows or podcasts? TV shows. But there was a podcast that I was go that's on my like something that's like an interview that I need to watch.

Oh, I think I know what it is. Is it Is it Bethany on? No, I watch that. Oh, you watch Bethany on?

Yeah, I'm a huge like I I love Bethany. I literally watch anything and I love her. Like I've become a super fan since she's been on the toast. So then I saw she was going on another podcast

on on that podcast and um I I watched it because I Stan. No, I'm obsessed with her. You got me like hooked on Bethany. And then also Oh, didn't even tell everyone this. When I came to Florida for Thanksgiving, me and Ben took a walk. Who did I run into the second I start my walk? Bethany on the beach.

I love that. Be on the beach. She was being so Bethany on the beach. No. What was I going to It's like I know in my brain it's like bookmark like I have to be on my YouTube app where I watch.

Were you going to watch a on Good Hang? No. Were you gonna watch I'm trying to think of like podcast interviews that made Oh, George Clooney on New Heights.

No. Let me check my YouTube and see. Like what's in my queue? What's in your community?

I did want to watch Allison Roman make meatballs. I've been enjoying her cooking content. I've been liking cooking content. It was like inspiring me for Thanksgiving and I've she had a Thanksgiving special. There weren't a lot of Thanksgiving specials to be found, but um I did enjoy that. I know I I don't know what it is. Maybe it'll come to me during the stories. And let me tell you, the stories today are much more like a springboard, if you will, for Jackie and I to talk about things in which we care about. Like, I'm not going to make a story from last week a story. But if it comes up, it comes up because I want to hear Jackie's take.

Something I want to insert my opinion into, something that's come up a lot on this show over the last few weeks at Main News was Charlie Puthing the national anthem.

Okay. And I'm really excited. I think he's going to do a great job. He's very vocally talented. like, you know, set the man aside. Even though I'm finding his educa, his videos have really found me at the right time where I have space and I'm holding space for him. Um, maybe I'm just, you know, feeling sensitive, so I'm just like feeling warm towards him. But he's a great vocal talent and I think he'll do a great job at the Super Bowl and I think we should all be excited.

Yeah, unlike Iria, I do discriminate based on gender. So, the fact that he's a man like is kind of weird. But if I am able to look past that, I agree. All you really need to do is sing good. And he does

like just shut up and sing. That's his skill. Yeah. And if it makes you feel better, I feel like his voice is kind of girly.

Okay. Yeah. It's been a long day. So girly. So that's something. Okay. Um there was one other thing I wanted to get your opinion on.

Jenna Busher. finally made a choice. They have elected a new co-host. They've elected a new host.

And it's Chanel. Mhm. And I watched the segment of her getting elected and selected and all I can say is duh. Like I don't watch the show so I didn't know who was in the running. But for people who watch the show every day, how did you not guess this? It seems so obvious. She's like been in the rankings at NBC. Like she works the job. She did the, you know, the meteorologist stuff. She worked her way up. She's friends with Jenna. She's like a woman of a certain age. Like that's the the host. I don't know why we thought we were going to get someone like a teenager,

young and new and fresh. No. Like the job is like two women, states women sharing their morning with you. It's like they're not trying to reinvent the wheel.

Do it. Yeah. And the thing is is that it's very clear that it was always Chanel Jones. Her she took time off like a sbatical because her husband had braid cancer and I think they knew he was going to pass away and so she took time off to be with him and then grieve. So this whole Jenna and friends thing was just like a time buy for Chanel.

Oh, I didn't realize that that was the timing of it and they were just buying time for Chanel. Okay. So like viewers of this show, how did you not know that this is who it was going to be? Yeah, I do think the only issue I have is that they weren't clear with I think a lot of the people that you know Justin Matt Rogers like people I think a lot of people thought that this job like could be theirs when from day one it was never going to be.

Yeah. It was just like a fun thing they were doing not an actual hiring process.

Correct. It wasn't an audition and Justin Sylvester posted in my opinion like the best possible rebuttal because really it was him or Matt Rogers that everyone was guessing and rooting for and he did not get the job and he posted on his Instagram that scene from Devil's Prada where Miranda Priestley chooses uh Jaclyn Falet over Stanley Tucci and he says she'll pay me back in time. She will.

She doesn't. Does she? All right. Well, we'll see. The sequel's coming out. True.

Yeah. True. Um, so that was the news I really wanted to get your take on. Yeah. I think it makes so much sense. And you know what? I was worried that like the Jenna and friends would sort of muffle the excitement of like when they finally selected someone like Jeopardy. I don't even know. They selected Ken Jennings apparently. Like they just sort of fumbled the ball and like I like a hard choice. And I actually feel like they did well making the selection like as hypy as it could be. When I saw the post that morning, like we're revealing later today, I was like uh surprisingly very excited about it. So, it landed for me. I think it's great and like we need stability in the realm. We can only have so much Gen friends. Like, we needed a choice.

Agreed. And I think this is a great choice though very obvious. So, again, not my fault cuz I don't watch the show. Um correct. But to the viewers, had you not guessed? That's all I'll say.

Correct. Um, any other stories that have just been like tickling you to give your your two cents on?

Uh, not at the moment, but if it comes up Oh, Glenn Powell and Michelle Randolph. Like,

name a more iconic duo. Oh my god. Maybe the biggest ship in the port at the moment.

And I don't know how we didn't even guess it because she's so land man. And he's like so.

You have to let the chips fall where they may. We could have never dreamed up. We can never, you know, man plans, God laughs.

It's true. When we put I think Glenn is like on our list. We're always thinking about who we should date. We talk about it all the time. When I tell you I literally never thought of Michelle Randolph and now I could not imagine a world in which the two aren't together.

Yeah. So, oh, and Braxton and Alex. Bral. What do you make of Bral? It makes me just like sad. They seem like a solid couple that were very much in love, but I understand. You know what? Were they going to get married? She's very young. So,

right. I guess we'll have to part ways. Who next? I'm I don't know. I haven't reached that spot yet. Like

that stage of grief. Yeah. And I'm not like cheering on the breakup where I'm like, she's free. Like, get after it. Like, I don't know why I felt I I liked it. So, I'm just I'm in mourning.

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Okay. All right. Fle. Are you ready for our first story? I am. AI's person of the year. T I'm cracking up. Not me spoiling it. AI's person of the year. Times person of the year. It's It's December. Everybody's doing their lists. Making a list. Checking it twice. Time person of the year. I'm so glad I'm here to discuss because this is very important topic.

It's it's not a person, it's a group being dubbed the architects of AI. Yeah. So this year AI stopped being all about the future and roar into the present. Time announced exclusively on the Today Show that it has recognized AI's seismic impact by naming the architects of AI as its 2025 person of the year. The recognition reflects how the technology seemingly became inescapable this year in just about every aspect of American life. From its impact on education to fears of mass industry disruption. Uh the photo itself mimics that iconic photo of like six construction workers sitting on a crane building the Empire State Building in the middle of New York. Um like eating a sandwich. Um but instead of construction workers, it's a lot some familiar faces. Some people I hadn't known immediately saw Mark Zuckerberg, Elon. Uh, there were a couple of girlies in there.

Oh, I haven't looked hard at the picture. Of course, Sam Alman. Oh, yeah. Sam Alman. So, there's two girls. One, two, three, four, and six men. Um, so it's Mark Zuckerberg from Meta, Lisa Sue from Advanced Micro Devices, Elon Musk from XAI, Jensen Wong from Nvidia, Sam Alman from OpenAI, Dennis Habibus Habis from Deep Mind Technologies, Daario Amade from Anthropic, and Feay Lee from Stanford's Human-Centered AI Institute and World Labs. Got it. Okay. I feel like some of the people sitting there are extraneous, but um

the big I've heard of Meta. I've heard of Elon. I've heard of OpenAI. I've heard of Nvidia. Unfamiliar with Deep Mind Technologies, but Slay.

Yeah. Um, and I just want to say I think they mostly hit the nail on the head. Now, if it were me, I think I would have made my person of the year chat GPT specifically because one, I like a one choice of an abstract thing. Like everybody when they talk about using AI for health like they talk about chat and I feel like chat had a big year even though I know people use a lot of different AI platforms. But I feel like

and I actually think chat is not even the biggest one, right? But I just feel like colloquially like it's chat. But

I thought you Google something and you could have been on big like right. I understand they want to give like all of these big players their flowers. And I think it's pretty well done. Um overall considering you know time sometimes gets it right, sometimes doesn't. And I will say the thing I like about time and I think something they do well is a lot of times it would be easier like AI is not popular, right? We could talk about the environmental impact and the cultural impact and it's going to steal jobs, but you can't deny that this was the year of AI. So they're not shy from choosing people who are polarizing or conversations that are polarizing. So I appreciate that they didn't pretend like this isn't happening just cuz like it's unsaavory and it was the year of AI. I actually Okay, so I mean I use AI all the time for me. This was the year of AI.

I mean I use AI to make my brisket today. Oh, so this is what you This is what people are doing. Ask chat um what because it's like end of year. What did you learn about me this year? And then also you ask chat what was the craziest question I asked you this year?

I honestly on the one hand I don't want to know. On the other hand I feel like I haven't gotten that deep with chat yet. It's all just like how do I cook a salmon? Well done,

right? Chat told me like I'm an amazing committed deeply like caring mother. Okay. Which was really sweet.

Oh, that's that's really funny. What did you learn about me this year? Oh, interesting. I can't share what my I can't share what my dumbest question was.

Okay. Oh my god. Okay. You care deeply about home, how it looks, feels, and functions. You're a thoughtful, detailoriented cook.

Oh, it's all cooking. You like clear numbers and concrete answers. Very true. You're a very attentive dog owner.

Hello. Cuz I'm always asking questions about Bruno. About Bruno's health. I'm navigating early parenthood with intention.

Slay. I'm highly visual and iterative. I like seeing mockups, examples, multiple versions.

I mean, why not? Um, I value nuance and context. I do believe that's true. The wait, the way I communicate, this is funny. They say I'm direct but polite, specific, and warm. You you you appreciate effort, but you also call out mismatches clearly.

Okay, beautiful. That feels right. Um, do you want to go through previous time people of the year or we don't care?

No, because I go listen to our last episodes for the last eight years. Who was on the short list? You know how they always give like a list of nominees?

I'm very curious like who didn't get it the year. I like that. That's true. See the short list. Oh, that was 2024. Maybe they didn't do it this year.

I kind of like that feature. I can't like think of the whole year at a glance. Um because I have like brain fog.

That's really annoying. Yeah, they don't have it. But it would be interesting to like think about who else could have gotten it.

Well, here's behind the scenes of Times Person's 2025 of the year. Did they all get together? The big guy.

They have a couple of other um categories. They have athlete of the year as it's so small I can't see. Hold on.

Who's the athlete of the year and entertainer of the year? Who's your athlete of the year?

How about Jaylen Brunson being honest? For sure. Mine CD Lamb, of course. Um, okay. Entertainer of the year is Leonardo DiCaprio.

Of course he is. He's so entertaining. I think that's such a great choice. CEO of the year is the YouTube CEO. Like, I'm zooming in on these pictures. I'm sorry I can't read their names. Breakthrough of the year. Oh, K-pop Demon Hunters.

Oh, give them all the awards. And if that song doesn't win the Golden Globe for best original song, even though I want Miley to win, I wouldn't be mad. But that song Golden, like I'm listening to it and who am I, you know?

And the Time Athlete of the Year, um, I believe is a female basketball player because she's holding a basketball and she's a woman. I can't I can't zoom in on her name. Her name is like Alia Wilson, I think.

Cool. Cool. Yeah. Cool. Congrats. Oh, yeah. Here she is. Here she is. Hold on. Aa Wilson. Excuse me. I'm sorry. Um,

what'd she do? WNBA. She plays for the Las Vegas Aces, which is my favorite team.

Yeah. And she won her third WNBA title in four years. She's definitely like big in the WNBA.

I don't know if Time knows that there are other leagues, other other um other sports leagues. You mean she uses a pink Stanley Tumbr and a pink tambourine. So cute. Uh I I'm try I don't I don't know enough about her, but I I personally have not heard of her. That doesn't mean much though.

Yeah. Okay. So, you know, they do like a couple. Entertainer athlete breakthrough CEO.

Okay. Of the year. So, let's do ours. Oh, okay. Love this. Who's your entertainer of the year?

Alex Earl. Oh, I love that. Like she entertained me in all formats. Like she started the year with like drama with her boss. Loved that. Then she had her relationship and then she had dancing with the stars and then her hot mess rebrand. Like sorry I was thoroughly entertained.

That's really a good one. Yes, she was crushing it in all cylinders. My entertainer of the year

or Imagin Heap? Probably Rascal Flats for me. Like they came out with Refield duets. They came back together, which is what I needed like for healing and peace.

Um, Rascal Plats, give it up. Yeah. You're CEO of the year. Us, obviously. But there's not a category for CEO.

Oh, rats. Um, let me think of CEOs of the year. Um, you know who was like, I'm always hearing about him

as a CEO. Yeah. Who? I feel like we used to talk about Bob Iger all the time and now I feel like I'm always talking about Ted Sarandos the CEO of Netflix.

Yeah, I guess he's not my CEO of the year though. Not by a mile. My CEO. Yeah, of course.

Not by a mile. I would say it's probably Ben Suffer and Celebrity CEO of Spritz Society.

Um that's really beautiful. Thanks. What's the next one? Um entertainer. Oh no. I did a athlete

CD Lamb of course. Jaylen Brunson and then breakthrough like somebody who broke through a new artist. Like

I I feel like I have one like I feel like someone knew who I followed or something. Let me look. I feel like I've been keeping up with new peeps, you know?

It's like so hard for me to take a look at a year. Like I know what was this year?

Oh, I think my entertainers of the year is us. I think my breakthrough of the year is the Nater sisters.

Love that they broke through this year. I do think the entertainer of my year was the Toast. The enter the athlete of my year was Jackie and Claudia. The CEO of my year was Jackie and Claudia. And the breakthrough like we had an amazing year.

We definitely broke through 1000%. No, my CEO of the year is Michael Bostic. My boss, too.

All right. Are you ready for our next story? What should I do next? Oh, you know, I'll choose this one because I know you're obsessed with this story. Like, Khloe Kardashian is shooting her shot with a hot high school teacher.

Yeah. No, I'm obsessed. So, Khloe Kardashian is currently going viral for shooting her shot with a hot high school teacher named Jacob Meyers Norris in a flirty exchange on Instagram. So, last week, Meyers Norris Norris posted a video on Instagram sharing various facts about himself, including that he likes to cook. He has Italian roots. He used to be a college athlete. He has a bachelor's and master's degree. and he captioned the post saying, "Somewhere out there is a woman who's going to ask me how my school day was." Like being a victim.

And then the good American and co-founder Khloe Kardashian took to the comment section writing, "How was your day?" asked and answered. Meyers Norris replied to the reality commenting, "Mine is great now. How is yours?" Kardashian kept the conversation going, responding, "Mine is great, too." Fans were overjoyed to see the interaction between Kardashian and Norris Meer Myers Norris. I was like, "Why can't they just say John or whatever the [ __ ] his name is?"

Who told the reality star to check her DMs following the flirty conversation? "Shoot your shot, Miss Chloe." One user wrote, "Yes, get a girl." Someone commented, "The internet's hyping these two up." And like, it's nice to see famous people doing like what you would do if you were famous. Like, not enough people do this. Like, when you are a woman of like a certain celebrity, like you could just have whatever you want.

Yeah. Have it. Then he also posted a video like replying to her comment that said, "How was your day?" and was like, "Everyone in my life is freaking out about this. Like they are so mad if I don't reach out. So I'm putting it here. Like I'm on winter break these dates. I can come to LA."

Yeah. And so here's where I stand. Like I'm so obsessed with this. It's so pure. It's so beautiful. And

they have to meet now. I don't think this is the great love of her life. Even the way he was just like being in his video. I'm like, I don't know that he's the man for her.

Oh, you hate him. Okay. No, no, no. I don't. But I did like go to his profile. Did you go to his profile?

I didn't. It was just like a lot. It was a lot of content like for a man and a teacher.

Oh, yucky. Well, I just know like while we're all hyping this up and it's so fun, like they're going to meet for a story line on the next season. It's going to be like silly.

That's what I want. That's how this ends. Well, like they should go on a date for the show because I don't think that they are each other's true loves. But I'm also glad to see that Khloe is looking in the pool of regulars because that's what we've been saying. She just needs like a regular good guy and he's definitely a good guy, but I just feel like I the little that I know about him. Like they're not a personality match. But we need to see this thing through and we're all need to go on the journey. So it needs to be on the show and they need [ __ ] for the show. It's perfect.

Yeah. So, I do think she definitely needs to date someone out of her realm and like a little bit more regular. I do fear that like a random teacher is a little too regular. I think she needs somebody who's like not famous but like is not he's like in an adjacent industry. Like this is far too random. When I say Chloe needs to date someone like random and not famous, I didn't mean this.

No. And I mean a certain kind of teacher, but like he just What kind of teacher? like I don't know a t-shirt from like one of your books like that's like rough and tumble but like

I understand a t-shirt from one of my books. Yeah, but this guy seems like really earnest. Um yeah, and I just don't know that it's going to be a match. But I do think she could date some regular I think she could date like a police officer.

Lana Del Ray coded very Miranda Lambert. What's Miranda Lambert? Wait, I'm having a stroke.

It's Lambert. It is. Yeah. Wait, Miranda Lambert, you're thinking about it too hard. Like,

wait, you need to just like zoom out. Miranda Lambert. Oh, yeah. Thank you. Miranda Lambert.

Lambert. I know you're like a Lambert in your class growing up and you're like I'm just like I know Lambert sounds like a collection of sounds like Lambert.

A police officer, a firefighter, a crocodile hunter like Lana Del Rey. Yeah. So, I'm not I think she could still go regular, but like I don't think it's this guy, but I think she's going down a good path.

Yeah. And this is just how she should be using her celebrity. Like, love it. Yeah. Love it.

Oh my god, I keep forgetting that I'm the one doing the stories. I'm like, girl, move on. Like, why are we still talking about this?

I know. I'm like, it's a good story, but like okay will someone change the subject?

My bad. My bad. Okay. Oh, we have been talking extensively about the sale of Warner Brothers and HBO Max and the hostile takeover. And now Paramount might raise their bid for Warner Brothers by 10% after now going hostile. So Paramount Skyance, which is like the parent company of CBS, Viacom, is it Viacom? Yeah, MTV, like all of them, is raising its offer for Warner Brothers Discovery by as much as 10% as it plots it sex move to break up a merger agreement with Netflix. David and Larry Ellison, who created Oh, I didn't realize it was a fatherson duo or husband and husband. No, it's gonna be father and son.

Oh, right. They created Paramount Sky Dance with a media merger over the summer. Are now poised to bump their allcash $30 a share offer to as much as $33 a share. So, it's $3 more per share. According to a source close to the situation, the raised offer, which amounts to now nearly $86 billion, would easily cover the $2.8 8 billion breakup fee worth about a dollar a share that Warner Brothers would face if they break up the Netflix deal. Then they have to like pay a little bit of a a fee, a breakup fee. So now Paramount is covering it. Paramount is like so desperate. Yeah, I know this is big news and big business and it means a lot for the shifting sands of the entertainment industry, but it's a little too much for my foggy mom brain to compute at the moment. Like one, the numbers and the shares and the hostility of the takeover. extremely hostile.

And two, like what it means for the content and the streaming services and like who owns what and like oh my gosh, Netflix is going to have Harry Potter. I don't really I can't think that far of like what that means, you know?

Okay. But did anybody else like open up Netflix and now the first thing that pops up is HBO Max original show, Love and Death? Remember that Elizabeth Olsson show with um Landry from Friday Night Lights, which was very good. I watched it. It's it's on the homepage now. It says HBO Max original. Like, did the merger already start? I think for them it did.

Yeah. Netflix is just like, "Girl, I don't know you. We're getting to work." Possession is 9/10en of the law.

It's true. And like Paramount's doing a lot. And I am rooting for Paramount because like this would make make Netflix like a super streamer. No one would be even close to the amount of subscribers they have. And it's like let others have fun too. And competition is good for the consumer. And if Netflix wins, if Netflix wins, we're all just going to be like subordinates of Netflix. And they can raise their price. We can't do anything about it because they have everything. Yeah. So,

the fact that there are so many streamers does keep pricing competitive even though it seems like every streamer is just going up and up, but if it

it keeps content competitive, like you want to make something good, right? So, I am rooting for Paramount. I think it's good to have like multiple and I know what Well, yeah, it would be nice if everything's on Netflix and we all just pay one streaming service. Then we're back to cable where we're all paying $100 a month. Like, it's just, you know, same [ __ ] new toilet.

Yeah. So, I'm rooting for Paramount. Go David and Larry Slay. let me know how I can help.

Yeah. Yeah. Like I said, it's a bit um high level. Yeah. You know, I'm just like down here like

timing your feeds. That's the most amount of math I can do right now. All right. So, I'll bring you like news that is so beyond mind-numbingly stupid. How's that?

It's my favorite. About like one of the worst individuals on the planet. Lever boy founder Kyle Cook was caught shotgunning a Truly. I have to just tell you something like this is exactly what I want to talk about right now.

Perfect. Okay. Did you talk about the trailer yet for Summerhouse? I did. I think I spoke about it with Joey Kamaster who needs to be a new cast member on Summerhouse. That was our overall takeaway.

Oh, I love that. I did. Let's Let's take it from the top. Trailer dropped and then I'll tell you guys the truly thing and explain why it matters.

Trailer dropped. Trailer looks good. Yeah, trailer looks good. And I saw people on TikTok saying like, "Why does this trailer feel so different?" And it's like because they're out of the house. Like almost all the the footage is not in the house.

Oh, is that why it felt different? I just felt like really, you know, for a while things have been like static. You know, people have been like married or in a relationship and like

this is like the biggest shift we've had in a while. One, it seems like Kyle and Amanda are on the rocks again and and the rumor mill has been saying for the last few weeks like they're living separately. So, this trailer seemed to be a confirmation of that. Um,

because of the 6 a.m. thing at a fans house. Yeah. Then Lindsay is back and she's like in a totally new head. She's like brand new Lindsay cuz she's like new mama, but also like a cast member again. Uh, I don't know if she's living in the house, but like last summer she wasn't drinking so she's like not doing that much. Carl like is DTF it seems like kissing girls at the table, right? Um, Sierra West Jesse like the triangle lives on continues and sort of like the constrictions of last season where he's like dating Lexi so no one's like moving on any like everything's just moving.

It's free moving parts and the big sort of story from the trailer is that Amanda shares with the ladies that Kyle, you know, a couple of weeks prior like didn't come home. He came home at 6:30 in the morning and he was at a fan's apartment. claims he fell asleep. And now everyone's obsessed with this story cuz it's so [ __ ] crazy.

When I watched the trailer, I thought she said a band's apartment that he was hanging out with a band. I was like, "Oh, how losery." And so I didn't ever have the reaction of then people started saying fan. I was like, "Oh my god."

Yeah. And so now everyone's like, "Well, what night was this?" And it reminds me a lot of when Morgan Wallin was like supposed to be um in a bubble for SNL and ended up going to the bars on Nashville's Broadway Street and ended up in random people's houses and all these like Snapchats of like Morgan Wallen walking through somebody's suburban home went viral because now all these old Snapchats and Instagram stories from that night are coming back where the girls who whose apartment it was were like Kyle Cook's literally in our apartment and it has a time stamp on it.

It's 5:30 a.m. and one of the photos that really went viral was the time being 5:30, the scroll being like, "Kyle Cook's in our apartment and he's holding a truly shotgunning it." Why is that a big deal? He drinks a lot. He drinks a lot of his own beverage. Now, Kyle Cook famously allegedly got Hannah Burner fired because when they were on the show, Hannah Burner, you know, started getting a lot of Instagram followers and with that comes brand deals and one of the brands she was offered was Truly. Um, she of course took the money, did the ad, and Kyle like made it his mission to get her fired because it was a competitor to Lover Boy.

And now here he is drinking it truly. It's just like funny and ironic, you know.

I was reading comments and somebody wrote um somebody wrote I can't no poetic. Somebody somebody wrote I can't remember where I heard this but I heard somebody once say that all the castmates pour out Lover Boy and just like put their drink of choice in the cans to like be supportive cuz I did think it was weird that they're always drinking these like insane like cosmopolitan espresso teini and it's like you're in a bathing suit who wants to drink like that sugary crazy ass drink and like there's so many bottles of like rosé and tequila. I'm like why are they always do they really like it? And once I read that I was like oh that's definitely what's happening.

That's so interesting. And I mean, you don't always want something carbonated. At the very least,

of course, maybe you want something flat. Flat. That's very interesting. And also, like, they can't use the labels of other things on the show. So, it's like, oh, if we pour it in this can, like then it's not an issue and we're not we get like blurred out of the scene or whatever,

right? I thought that was interesting. That is interesting tidbit. And then, of course, the truly of it all. What do you think about Kyle and Amanda? I've kind of like flipped my my tune. Yeah.

Like, did you share this yet? I said it with Joey, but like I've just been thinking about it a lot because obviously it's like year after year after year. It's like, girl, get away from him. Get away from him. Get away from him. Like literally since he cheated on her, like even before that, everyone was like, "He's not a good boyfriend. He's not a good fiance. He's not a good husband." And it's like he's horrible. Like you're dealing with depression and he's out partying. You're doing this and he like he's just awful. Like a really bad human. Um but she clearly loves him so much. like only you would only stay with somebody who's so like crazy when you love them so much and like I don't know Kyle is who he is. I think the expectation like just sort of waiting for Amanda to do this thing that like she's not going to do. I don't know. I'm just kind of over it. I'm not like demanding her to to leave him like

but you read it as she loves him so much. Why else would you stay married? I don't know. There's other reasons to stay married cuz like

what? Like financial? No, I don't know. are like lazy. It's just it's it's a lot like and you want to make it work. And I don't know. I I don't read it as like she's like so in love with him. She barely likes him. And as Bethany said, if you don't love it, you don't like it.

Yeah. But like I don't know. I I imagine that after all this time, the reason that they are still together is love for him.

What else? Like seriously, what else? I don't know. So, I don't know. Just like demanding that um like Amanda's now she's going to leave him. It's like you said that last year. Like I don't know. It's just like kind of

this is like their relationship, right? Like it is what it is. He is who he is. He's and there's never really any real ramifications for his behavior, right? Like it's like Kyle, you shouldn't do that. But like I don't know. I feel like she doesn't really care. I feel like the audience cares more.

Yeah. So I don't know. You know what? I kind of ship them. Okay. I don't know. I just like what we could say it again like why is she with him? Like cuz she loves him.

So it's like she's why are you with your man? Like bloom where you're planted. Bloom where you're planted.

You think that her heart sings for him? Yeah. I have to imagine that it does honestly.

Okay. Okay. What do you think? Um I don't I don't that's not the read that I got, you know.

Okay. Okay, but so like why else would she still be with him? She's so much cooler. She's so much better looking. She's this like young haunt famous gal. Like she's financially independent. Like

I don't know. I never really thought about it like why she now think about it. And then I think you might come to the same conclusion that I've come to so like

she must like really really love him. And you know what? We should be championing true love even though he is my nemesis. Like I do believe that they should stay together. I do.

Oh wow. Yeah. Do you think they are together right now? What do you think about the rumors?

I don't know. They keep like making these Tik Toks like playing into the rumors and it was all at Bravo Con and they won't confirm. I believe it has something to do with the show

and the new show too in the city, right? At this point, I'm just so conditioned to them. Like any normal person would be like, "Oh, that's divorce. That's a reason to." But I don't know. They've survived worse. I don't know. I think they're together. Yeah, I do.

Yeah. I've been watching a lot of reality TV and it's like, you know what? I don't even want to know what's going on right now. Like I want to watch my show.

Like totally like I want to live in the universe. No. And it's like it's like it's entertainment. Like I want to watch the show. I'm watching Real House Eyes of Salt Lake City now. And it's like I don't want to know what anyone's up to right now. I want to watch my show.

Jen Shaw's free. Jen Sha's free. She's not coming back to Bravo. And Annie has said like left, right, and tenner. And I don't miss her.

No. Um but I am I'm watching the season with Monica. I feel like I'm about to be at the part. They just went to Bermuda. I think I know something of what happens. But as you guys know on this show, I've avoided spoilers of like Monica Gate for years.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. The chickens are coming home to roost soon. I'm so excited. Um,

and I know this this this franchise has been good. We just like haven't been in it. And it's nice to be back with the ladies. It took me a couple tries, but I'm here. And right now, this season, like I'm team Lisa. That's who I

Do you know Broadway? I have not met her on the show yet, but I've heard of her in the world.

Well, she's getting divorced. That was like a story. saw that, but I don't know what that means.

Okay. Well, you will soon enough, my darling. You will soon. I don't know if that's good or bad. I don't know if they have kids. I don't know nothing.

Fifth and final story is how I like it. You know what I mean? Of course. Yeah. I'm just watching my show.

Fifth and final like literally me I'm watching my program. The only show I don't feel that way about is Southern Charm where I'm like dying not to text anyone and be like, "Who's dating? What's going on?

What's the tea?" What's the tea? Fifth and final story is Taylor Swift first two episodes of her documentary came out and there's quite a lot there. I was trying to avoid spoilers because I haven't had the time to watch it.

Talk about what's in it even though we haven't watched it. Yes. Just because she is talking about the um Vienna terror threat. She's also talking about the Liverpool attack and she gets really emotional like she's crying in the in like the confessional and then she's also crying because she met with like a bunch of the families and then I think before a show and she's just like crying in her costume. Um, so Taylor Swift teared up in her new end of an era docu series while reflecting on the darker moments from her record-breaking tour. In episode 1, an emotional Swift addressed the thwarted terrorist plot that led to her cancelling the three scheduled eras tours in Vienna. She said, "I thought this would be a tour I would be proud of. It's like a force to be reckoned with in a global culture. So, never in my life did I think that we would have a terrorist plot," she said during a sitdown interview in London where she

would be resuming the tour mere days after the threat. noting that this isn't her first concert, she tearfully admitted, but this was the first one. I feel like I don't know, I'm skating on thin ice or something. We've had a series of very violent, scary things happen to the to the tour, like we dodged a massacre situation. So, I've just been kind of all over the place. She reflected, we dodged a massacre situation. She cries. She shares that she um met with the families. And I remember at the time when we were talking about especially the Liverpool um attack, how heavy that must be on Taylor. And I don't know why I just never thought we would hear from her.

This is uh and I would have totally respected her decision to never share with us what that was like and then her thoughts on it. So I didn't think that this is what the documentary was going to be honestly.

Yeah. But I guess if they were filming her in like real time during the shows and that was like a major thing that happened. And even with Vienna, she put out a statement but like didn't harp on it like too much like kind of like got back to the shows. And again, like it she doesn't have to say too much, but given that she's doing a documentary of the tourists, like it is um interesting to see like how it how she felt about it and like how it happened. Um

Right. But that's really heavy. I I I hadn't I guess I didn't think about like what we would get on this documentary, so I hadn't even thought about that.

Me neither. I thought it was going to be like a little bit more shallow being like, well, here's how I choose what outfit to sing with what song. There is like a lot of intricacies around like the mashups and I'm sure she could have done a 10- part series and we all would have watched it and loved it. That was like a little bit more surface level.

No, but given that she's like filming interviews in real time, like she went to London and like is doing a confessional. Yeah, she's has to talk about like what happened. It we might have realized that it was taken out if we had watched it, but no, it's not like a regular concert DVD where it's like we're filming footage from the show and then in a few months she's going to reflect on all of it. It's like it's hap she's filming herself as everything's unfolding. So, it does make sense that it was included because I'm sure it also like changed the tone of her experience.

Like I'm sure it just kind like also she had um that tragedy in South America, right? Where someone passed away

where some Yeah. from like heat stroke. So that just sort of like just changes your mood and your vibe. So addressing it makes sense.

Yeah, of course. Um, it sounds Did you see that her Spotify wrapped video went viral?

No. So, I'm sure you guys saw because you got it from us, but when you got your Spotify wrapped from your favorite artists or your most listened to podcasters, a lot of people were able to send videos to their fans if you were in like the top 1% of listeners. And so, the top Taylor listeners got a video and it's like, "Thanks so much for a great year. Love you. Bye." And Taylor was like, "Oh, thank you guys so much." And she then she started promoting her new documentary and her docu series and it went really viral being like Taylor Swift can't even like thank her fans without just like promoting something and it's like you know what? Yeah. Like that's my capitalist queen right there.

Okay. Yeah. I have to see the video. But it's like does she really worry that the top 1% of her fans are not going to be watching that documentary?

Right. Right. Is that really a concern? I don't think so. So why? I don't know. You know

why? Yeah. Um, I got a big from a video, not from my number one artist because he's long deadChaikovski. So, I got one from my number two artist, Peppa Pig. And she was really, really thrilled that we spent the year listening to Bing Bong Boom.

What did Pippa have to say? She's like, "Thank you so much for listening to my music. My brother George and my sister Evie are so excited that you like us. Like she's

You really sound like her. I know. And what's funny is we were reading Paddington the other night and I was like trying to explain accents and so I was trying to do a British accent. Like I literally I froze.

Oh, it's like it's like sometimes when you're like singing for your kid, you get like embarrassed.

And now here I am like, "Thank you so." No, that was really good. Well, if you got our Spotify wrapped video, Slay, thanks for the support. And that was that was pretty cool. Yeah, that was pretty cool um

to see. Yeah, Spotify rap this year was like a mess for me. It's just an absolute mess. Also, I just need to like I need to defend myself and my family. We don't listen to that much Peppa Pig. Um but just the songs that we listen to are very short and you know how it goes like when they want to listen to a song, we listen to it on repeat and all of a sudden like the streams are getting super high. Plus, we do a lot of our f like driving in Zach's car. So, like if he we actually should make one account. I should just my account because if that were the case, like Vasco Flats would have been my number one album. We listened to it all summer.

All summer. I just like need to ex like just hold myself accountable. I'm going to cut to a quick ad break and then let's take a look at the year at a glance. Would you?

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Thank you, Turtle. A pleasure. So, those were the fast five. How did you feel that I did?

I feel that you did good. Yeah. I can't lie. I'm excited for you to come back. I hate choosing the stories.

Okay. Thank you. Um, but it's also funny how like the dynamic of the show is different based on who's reading the stories. Like when you're the person reading the stories, it's like I'm the other person to react. So, I feel like I have to have these big reactions whereas like you totally have the big reactions

and so much more fun. I don't know. I had a blast. I had a blast. Jax, tell me about your year.

I mean, it was a beautiful year. It really was. We welcome I welcomed a new nephew.

Um, a son of my own. You know, it was it was a pregnant year. It was a it was a big year for the big girls. It was a year of growth in every sense and and a lot of beautiful

personal growth this year. Um, so I've just uh it's been a lovely year. It's been lovely to have you back

and it's been lovely to have you back because this year was also your maternity leave and so the girlies were a little bit apart this year. Yeah. Shout out to the toasters for sticking with us from two maternity leaves in one year. I feel as though we slayed the house down boots of both times, but of course, everyone just wants Jackson turned original recipe. And we love that you love it. So, thanks for the patience. Thanks for the love and support. Thanks to everybody who tuned in this week. I mean, this week, well, this week, yeah, but also this year. It was great getting to connect digitally with our community. And this is while it is our final Toast episode of the year, we still have one our Jenny McCarthy interview, which is coming up next, but also five episodes on Patreon. It's always a good time to be a Patreon member, you guys. I've been saying this.

And we're going to do a lot of at a glance on Patreon this month because we do have to do like top stories of the year, our favorite stories that we discuss, like so many things that we do annually. Um,

so there will be a lot of good content on the toast personal because we'll be together and like pop culture if if you don't really like us that much and and you more so like um the stories.

I don't feel like there are people that don't like us. But yeah, I guess in thinking at a glance like this year held the most change for the show.

Yeah, the frames. Was that this year? It was my only like this summer. Oh, okay.

This year like if you made it through till today, like things will be a lot, you know, I think

in this next year. So, the frames are here to stay. Jackson Claude like I'm so glad we're over like the frame hate era from everyone. Like now they just ahead of their time.

Yeah. Much like Shakespeare, was he? Yeah. He wasn't appreciated in his own time.

What did they say about him? Wasn't he like selling out theaters? No. I think like they were like, "Okay, good luck with your plays."

Yeah. And I think it was probably like lowbrow. Yeah. It was considered like reality TV

trash. Yeah. And now it's like, well, we actually consume trash, so that's good,

right? The bar has been lowered. Shakespeare is good. Yeah. So with that, we'll bid you ad do for the final time this year. I hope you enjoyed this interview with Jenny McCarthy. She was fab and she like totally knew and respected the Toast, which I love. Like sometimes people come on and they don't know and they're just like, "Oh, this is so great." Um, but she like knew it all. She knew I had a good singing voice. Yeah.

Oh, she knew you had a voice. Your voices reach the ears of Miss McCarthy. Yeah. She was like, "You have a good singing voice, right?"

Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. I I like [ __ ] I said I I dabble. I like to say [ __ ] That's what it sounded like

probably. [ __ ] Um, okay cool. Can't wait. Guys, enjoy the interview. Thank you so much for listening to the Toast Land Morning Show where we deliver the fast stories evening story Monday through Friday and YouTube. So watching us on YouTube. Please to subscribe and give this video a thumbs up. We're also available as a podcast and podcast radio all the places podcast about a beautiful setting no matter how wickedly talented we are. Hope you guys have an amazing end of year. Happy holidays. Merry Christmas. Happy Quanza. We love you all.

Love you. Love you. Excuse. Oh, I forgot that. That's not my thing to say. Back.

Hey. Hey. For the final time this year on the regular show because I'm sure I'll say it on Patreon. Love you. Bye.

Welcome back to the toast. I am so excited to be sitting down with my final guest of the year. Oo, spooky. It's Jenny McCarthy. Hey, girl.

Hey. You know what they say. Save the best for life. Save the best for life. Yes. Thank you. I was excited to do your show. I love you. I think you're awesome.

Oh my god. Thank you. I love you. I was just listening to you on the Skinny Confidential podcast where I feel like I got your entire life story in 90 minutes. They did such a good job and you're so dynamic. I wouldn't when I was how I'm going to introduce you. I don't even know what to call you.

I'm not sure either. I ask myself that every day. Yeah. Like are you you're a business founder. You're a wife. You're a mother. You are a host. You have a background. I mean, I literally forgot up until when you did Skinning Confidential that you were on the View,

right? I'm hoping most people forget that part. Was that the worst time of your life?

It was really difficult. Um, I mean, I know I've talked about this before, but you know, everyone has done a job in their lifetime that just didn't match. If you haven't, you've dated a guy that just doesn't match. It doesn't fit. I was hired initially to be a pop culture kind of, hey, guess who's in the Bachelor this week kind of fun. bring the light to the view because they thought it was getting polarizing.

Barbara unfortunately did not like that new avenue after a week and went back to political polarizing fighting and I could not handle that as a human being.

So you just get like stuck there. I got stuck there for a year. Yeah. So it was I would literally at night when I'd fall asleep at night,

you know those when you're falling Yeah. Literally be like, Donnie's like, "Your body's having earthquakes from the amount of stress." I'm sure

they'd be like, "Let's talk about the hostage negotiations and whether the United States should pay for people that are like I was hired to say, who's the best dancer on D."

That's awful. And then they don't help you, right? Like they just sort of threw you in.

They don't help you until they change that. Then they would have someone come in the room and try to give me political opinions. Now, if you're haven't watched 24/7 political news, it's really hard to be a commentator. like give me a good five years and then maybe I can come back. But when your job literally and even on Mass Singer, my lane I'm in, I'm hired as the pop culture guru.

Oh, that's so true. I always forget you're so dynamic. Like when I think of you, I think of probably not what everybody thinks of. Everybody has like their Jenny McCarthy thing for sure. Minus the fact that you met your husband on Watch It Happens Live. Like that is the craziest thing. And I don't know if you know that nobody on the entire planet in the world is a bigger Blueb Bloods fan than me.

Come on. I literally visited the set. Like I'm a Danny Reagan stand. I'm obsess was obsessed with that show. So good. Like I the lore goes really deep with me.

Oh, I love that. So, are you watching Boston Blue? I know he has a new show. I am watching. I'm very excited for him. I didn't know who of the the cast was going to get a spin-off. Kind of a big deal that deal. And as time goes on cuz my mom's like, I need to get to know the new family more. I'm like, you will and you will love them. And I I know the episodes that are coming up that you guys haven't yet and it's they're brilliant.

You guys are so cute together, too. Was Andy coming at your wedding? cuz he like kind of introduced you to he was like Jenny because we were going to have him do the vows you know and we were like we're one of those kind of couples who are like we don't want to bug people and would have been like I would have loved to. I'm like really we just didn't know.

So were you guys both guests that night? We were guests and that night I thought for some reason I thought Donnie was married so I wasn't I say too flirty cuz sometimes I could be yourself. I give you my MTV kind of, you know, photo, Jenny. Like, oh, you're not bad on the eyes. Wink wink. But not flirty because I thought he was married. But at the ending credits of that episode, you literally see me pat him on the back and I go, you know, you're a really nice guy.

Then four months later, I had my VH1 talk show because I've had many different variations of myself doing things. And he was one of my guests and I'm like, let me do a little homework. So, I'm like reading. I'm like, I don't see who he's not married. Oh, I wonder if he's dating. I'm going to get that out of him because you know as an interviewer you wanted some clickbait. So um I'm interviewing him and he was just like no I'm not really seeing anybody which to me meant he just didn't break up with anybody or just seeing people

and then as the interview went on it was only supposed to be a 4 minute six minute interview. It was 90 minutes.

Do you guys ever go back and watch either of the segments all the time? You do. Okay. I'm like thank you for being normal because I would too. I feel like some famous people would be like, "No, we never launch

all the time, especially on our um anniversary anniversaries." But usually it we probably go back and watch it like seven times a year because

when we're laying on the pillow, if you haven't seen it, please look up the um it was the Jenny McCarthy show on VH1 where we're laying on the ground licking poly lollipops talking to each other.

We both say this, it literally the way we're talking to each other is exactly how we talk to each other now. It seems like we've been married for 11 years cuz we sound exactly like that now. So, it's really bizarre.

That's so cute. And also just like you being a pop culture expert and obsessor while also meeting your man on like it's literally a dream for like a pop culture swirly.

It we could be a Hallmark movie. You could. You also had a big show on radio at Sirius XM for a while.

Long time. You have so many different eras. Right now you're in your mass singer era which like my dream I've always said like I love to sing but I love to also criticize people singing. Like I would like I like I'm like a Simon cow of sorts. Whenever I meet someone I'm like oh you sing. Let's hear it. So you being like a judge on that type of show. Is that the I imagine it's the best job in the world just like sitting and hearing people sing. And you have the privilege of pretty much listening to mostly good singers.

Correct. Yeah. Uh the the reason why I love this job too is because we actually give flowers.

Yeah. I'm not a mean girl. You know if someone can't sing I these this is what I usually come back with. you are so brave to come out here, girl, and have that kind of courage, you know, because I feel like there's enough people giving insults and and criticism. And it is hard to come out there, especially if you're not a singer on this show, so I like giving the flowers and I don't like being a meanie. So that's And again, I'm not the one that's supposed to give the critique because you're not the singer expert. You're the pop culture expert,

right? I would say something like, I just watched your story and your clue package and it moved me so much and I see the growth that you've had, you know? So, that's where I come into play.

And what is your like rate of successful guesses cuz when I watch the show, I think, and I know everyone I know everything like I watch every show, I watch everyone's Instagram stories. It's really hard. Like, I don't think I've ever watched a clip or seen someone. I feel like maybe I guess like when Sheena Shay was on, but besides that, I really It's much harder than I think someone would think it is. It It's much harder in the studio. And I'll tell you why. Because we don't have speakers by the guest panel. So, we are relying on the bounce of the sound off the walls. That's why we all look like we're deaf. We're all like, "Oh, yes, you do do that."

Because there's no speakers by us. And that gives us a disadvantage. So, we don't immediately guess who you guys are. Now, when you're at home, it's so obvious who the person is. And we have to go through social media where people are like, "You idiot."

I just want to tell you, I don't think that it's obvious. when I've watched it, I'm like, I have no idea.

Okay. But also, you cover a wide range of people. You have like lots of athletes like

different generations and there's a lot of athletes who can sing right? So, there's a lot of surprised people. And there's also we have some amazing artists who are supposed to be able to sing who then can't sing without their autotune. And we don't guess, we think that they're athletes.

And do you believe that everyone who is performing because you can't see them, you believe they're really in there? Like they are for sure.

They're 100%. Yeah, because um do you remember that that movie back in the day called Game Show?

There was a movie. This is Oh my god, you guys have to watch this. There was a movie and there was a documentary first, but there was a game show back in the ' 50s60s. Someone can help me where um they were feeding someone, Mr. Joe Schmo, the answers so he would win every

Of course, I know this story. Yes. Yes. Yes. So then he got to be the the most famous guy in the world. He won all this money. Turns out they were feeding him. Then there a law came into play. Right. So that's why we have legal people, standards of practices and game show authority people that are literally hovering over us. Wow. While we are voting.

So it's like we can't even whisper. I can't be like, "Yo, Ken, who do you think you want?"

Oh, you don't deliberate with one another. No. No. I can ask them afterwards, but it's pretty private.

And so how many people do you think you've successfully guessed? Okay. I'm on average. Yeah. Since the beginning, I would say if everybody else gets about 15% correct, I would put myself at 30% 40%.

That's pretty good. Not bad. Cuz there's a lot of times secret. Shh, close your ears. Fox listening. There's a lot of times where I might guess too soon and they'll remove it out of the edit.

Oh, yeah. Because you don't want to give the people at home like the answer basically right away. Oh, interesting.

So, there's a lot of times where I'm like, damn those fox executives for removing my guest because they'll never know that you actually got it right.

And you guys, I am psychotic competitive. I literally I've had executives come in my dressing room almost every season, sit down with me at a table and say,

"You need to calm down. You need to calm down." I'm like, "I'm sorry. Was it my job to guess who's underneath the mask?" But I take it to the level like there's an Academy Award at the end of it.

I appreciate that. So, I won. They have the golden ear trophy. I won like four of them.

Wow. So, um they had they got rid of it because I keep winning it. I'm like, but there's something fun in that also.

Of course, like competition. And I said, listen, these bozos next to me only Google themselves.

I am in tune to everything that's going on in pop culture. Yes, you are. So, I deserve those.

So, like four years ago, my agent was like, "You can you send me a video of yourself singing?" And I said, "Sure." I thought you'd never ask. like

and she told me later on that it was for the mass singer and they passed on me and honestly like I don't know if I could do it but I think I could win.

By the way, I've heard you sing before and I think you would not only win you would dominate.

I think so too cuz it's and I feel like I'm one of those unique people. It's cool that you guys have like obviously you know Amber Riley once from Glee like she's the best voice ever. Like we knew that. I think the fun of the show is when you see like somebody who's an athlete or somebody who's to a comedian who has an amazing singing voice and that's me. Like I'm not a singer by trade, but I'm telling you I have an amazing voice.

You have an amazing voice. I mean, would do you think you would ever do it? Um, like of course cuz I'm

Can you let me know when? Well, that was my other question. Has anybody ever like DM'd you being like, I'm coming on?

No, never. In fact, illegal, right? Sherry Shepard came on and she walked on the stage. I go, I know that walk.

And then I text her. I was like, yo, what state are you in right now? And she's like, I'm in New York. And she showed a picture of me, a selfie with New York behind her. And I was like,

that's someone that's just like that's pretending to be Sher Shepard. So she threw me off even though I tried to cheat.

Is it true that the show is based on like a Japanese Korean? Cuz it really is such a crazy

concept. Do you think people would guess you? Yes. I mean my if you read my podcast reviews it's everybody being like, "Oh my god, Claudia, you're singing voice. Please stop." Um so I'm always singing. I actually have released two pop songs. So I do think the listeners of the shows if I was on like I think they would get it instantly.

I think I would get you instantly. Yeah. And like I don't know. I mean, I'm saying that, but now I'm going to If you ever come on the show, I'm going to feel like a real idiot.

Well, now if I ever come on the show, we'll have to replay this clip back, right?

Right. Maybe you guys could use it as my little clue. That's true. That's true.

It's just like my dream job to like sit I've always like when I grew up watching American Idol XFactor, those types of singing, like talent shows. And to me, it looks like the most fun job. You're in this big chair. You look gorgeous. You get to like just watch everyone and give your critique and you're sort of like like a godly figure.

What costume would you think you would want to be? Cuz you can pick your costume sometimes.

So, I have thought about this. I do think I would be like um like a King Charles Cavalere.

Oh, so I have Well, okay. So, I have I have a King Charles Cavalier now. His name is Romeo. He's not like I don't love him so much, but I had like my soul dog who passed away a couple years ago. You actually two years ago, like yesterday.

Um and we are obsessed with King Charles Cavalier. I had one growing up and I think cuz they do like animals, right? I think I would be like Yeah. dog.

That's beautiful. See, I would be a cheeseburger. Oh, they do food. Uh-huh. Okay.

Yeah. I love that. I'm a I'm a Wahberger. Oh, right. Oh my god, your lore is so deep, Jenny McCarthy. You're also part of the famous Wahberg family, but you also eat really healthy. Do you eat wall bers?

I do. I'll eat the meat only. Okay. So, you're not vegetarian. You're like carnivore, right?

I was I was I tried veget being a vegetarian, but my body will not allow cuz I have so many um issues. So, I did carnivore for about 6 months to reset my system, and it was the greatest thing I ever did for myself.

Oh, really? Yeah. But you like you don't stick with it. So, you're not supposed to stick with it. Oh, I didn't know that.

After a certain amount of time. Yeah. When did you become a mom? Uh, I was 29 because I thought everybody should have a baby before 30.

Okay. Like literally me. Um, I was pregnant when I was 29. I was like, "Thank [ __ ] God." Um, that's so interesting. How do you feel like being a mom is a part of your identity in terms of your career? Because I feel like a lot of women love your book. Um, you talk a lot about now like menopause and pmenopause. Um,

why do you do like why do you feel like that's something you want to explore beyond comedy and stuff? You know, I always wanted to be a mom. I wanted like four kids. And then when I gave birth to my son,

you know, you always hear people say like, "Oh, just wait. Your love is going to grow so immensely." I had no idea the chamber, the extra chamber that would grow in my heart.

The moment they handed me my son, I was like, "This is what life's all about." Totally. Like we are as females, we are creators. We create a human being. I literally every day was like, I'm going to be the greatest mom in the world. And that's all I wanted to be from that day forward. I'm like, I'm going to take every job that would help you. I'm going to work so hard to be a great mom. I'm going to love you to pieces. And now it's just that's all I work for. I live for. I just want to be the greatest mom and protect him.

And you also have like a blended family, which can be tough. Yes. What's the secret? giving it time and being good role models. And what I mean by that is initially, you know, Donnie and I both had a son that was in the same age group and that was uh I'm going to say like they were both freshman in high school. I tough time tough time tough time

for boys especially. Yeah. And then you know we mo we weren't like don't kiss me don't let's not kiss each other in front of them. We were like no no no let's model

what healthy loving relationship looks like. They might be like cringe, but is every teenager,

but we wanted to show them. And it wasn't by sticking to that, by having love in the house and the example of that.

It was so quick. Oh, really? It was so quick. And you know, they both had their own identities

um you know, my son being special needs um wasn't in competition, right? So, that really kind of was helpful. And now they love each other.

That's so nice. It's so nice. I'm so lucky. Yeah. I love that. I mean, you and D are just the best. I feel like on social media he has like such I mean I'm a part of like the Blueb Bloods family which I feel like is like small in comparison to His New Kids on the Block. Like what is it like? You go to their shows and stuff but it's really I don't want to use the word cult cuz that has a negative connotation but the fandom is very intense and they're like people who have been fans of him for 40 years. Like

it's a sisterhood for sure. Is it crazy? It's unbelievably beautiful. And let me explain why. When I first started Danny Downey I was like I was like oh I forgot what if his fans all hate me. What if I'm like running down a street and they're throwing cans at me?

Yeah. It when I learned about the outside of that, I'll get to that. This is the most incredible. Like I I go there needs to be a documentary on Donniey's blackheads. They are sisters. And what I mean by that is they all have gotten to know each other for the past 40 years. They fly in for reunions with each other. That's really years. When one has cancer, they fly to that city, take care of that mom, raise money, fundraisers. It is unlike anything I've ever seen.

Yeah. And it's so underrated when you think about like like we're in like stand culture right now with like so many crazy artists. The Swifties like they're always fighting with one another. You really forget about the blockheads. They go deep.

They go deep. And then them taking me on, accepting me has been like the most Donny's like, "Wait till you start meeting everybody." And I've been doing Poppins for my beauty brand, which we'll talk about later, and I've getting gotten to meet them all one-on-one now. And literally makes me cry cuz they're such beautiful people.

You didn't get any hate in the beginning. Well, there might have been two that have been like, you know, you plastic surgery face. So, plastic surgery.

I'm like, I have heard way worse in my 35 years now in this career. I'm like, it's fine. But they're all just been lovely. If there's any haters now, they're they're definitely quiet because the sisterhood would go attack the one night.

When you read SiriusXM, did you ever go on the Howard Stern show? Yes. And was that in his era of like cuz he's so rehabilitated now. He's like very cultural and he's very cosmopolitan, but there was a time where it was, you know, different

sign of the times. Yeah. When you went on, which Howard was it? I was on during um old school Howard and then I was on during kind of I would say the more transitional uh where he is kind of now

kind of a place that less like more interviewy now. Yes, he's very deep now. I read his book. I thought it was one like he's very not at all what you would expect when you say people can't change. I mean look at Howard Stern. It's insane. It's he's by the way what people don't know is when the camera goes off he might be like very like boisterous maybe on camera or like bold and brave and ballsy when you when he shuts down the camera he is very kind of sweet and like just a super kind of meek nice guy.

Yeah. He's like when I see him in the hallways I'd be like hey how are be like hi.

Wow. You're really ahead of the times with your radio show like doing pop culture. I feel like now that's literally what we do. Um, would you ever do a podcast?

I am actually Yes, starting um probably in the fall of next year. It'll be a little bit of a hybrid between talk show and podcast.

I was shocked when I learned that you didn't. You I just kind of assume that you did. Is there a reason you haven't done it yet?

Um I uh because I did SiriusXM for seven years. Then Mass singer came about and they moved us to two seasons a year instead of one

on the Masser. On the Mass Singer. So I kind of said goodbye to that Sirius and was like I can always come back. Now, Messinger is one season a year, so that leaves me a lot more time. And I was like, "This is a great opportunity. I miss interviewing. I want to be back in it." So, I'm getting back in the game.

Oh, I love that. Okay. And so, pop culture wise, what are you into right now? What shows are you watching? What stories are you following? Are you a Swifty? Like, I need to know everything.

Um, okay. I'm going to be really honest, and I don't want the Swifties to come hate me because there is a happy ending. Okay.

Um, I've never been a Swifty. Okay. Um there's been some catchy songs back in the day of course,

but my friends love her and um there was that recent song Fabilia that I saw people doing this Tik Tok dance to. So then I'm like, "Oh my god, this song is so catchy." Then I found myself like singing the song all the time that I'm like, you know what? I'm going to buy this song cuz I love this song so much right now. And I real and I went to buy it and it said Taylor Swift. And I went, "Oh man, you didn't even know it was Taylor Swift."

I didn't even know it was Taylor Swift. So then I had to call my friends. I go,

"Guess what I am?" They're like when I'm like, "I was whipped. I like her so long."

You know what I will say? I'm rooting for them too as a couple. I'm so happy she found him. I think he's going to bring

everything that was missing in her life. Totally. And it's just like it reminds me of just like an old school romance back in the day, you know? It's very traditional.

Very traditional. And I wanted her to have babies. I wanted her to start seeing about stretch marks. And

oh my god, I said cuz I literally just had a baby and I've been a Taylor Swift fan like since day one. And I love that she writes about the things that I have lived and dealt through with my whole life from like a perspective of we're similar ages and I kind of like selfishly I need her to have a baby.

I know. I did I literally said the other day I go she needs to have a baby now because that's where all of her peeps are and you need to hear we want her to go through the transition that we all have as mothers which is oh my god it's not about me anymore when you realize you are living for this human that you created life shifts your paradigm is upside down those little things that used to bother you are nothing

once you become a mom so it'll be interesting to see how her music changes totally and I want to say I'm so ready for it.

Breastfeeding. Yeah, right. Breastfeeding nipples. Um, did you breastfeed? No, I tried it for a day. Um, and I was like so paranoid about having implants.

Oh. That I was like, I'm scared. You had them before. I had them already. Yes. I was like, what if there's a leakage in the tubing? And which there isn't, but I was so paranoid about that that I didn't do it.

It's easy to get paranoid in day one. Yeah. I'm still on my breastfeeding journey.

Bless you. I'm always talking about it. That's why I ask I would breastfeed for many years if I

Yeah. It's just hard because like I know everyone so gonna be talking about this. It's really hard to lose a baby weight when you're breastfeeding.

Yeah. And that's currently what I'm just sort of grappling with. Yeah. But so worth it. I'm telling you, the immune system and your baby is going to be light speed against everybody else's.

Okay. Other pop culture. What do you make of Harry and Megan? That's a great question. Thank you. You know, in my old age here, I try to look at it from a different perspective. It gives you a little bit more wisdom. And I I I feel I have an empathy for them, a sympathy for them because I know what it's like to be in the public eye.

It's awful. Mhm. My diagnosis though of Megan is um possibly there might be a bit of narcissism in there,

right? Cuz a normal person would step away. Yeah. Step away. But this is the thing that I think that bumps everybody is the hypocrisy

of like wanting to get out. And if she wanted on all merit to get out cuz if I lived in the house that they were going to put me in this moldy cabin, I'd be like, "Get me out here. I need a Starbucks ACROSS THE STREET. THAT LITTLE COTTAGE. It was so funny when she described it. Yeah. No, I agree with her.

And then I saw pictures and I WAS LIKE, "OH, YEAH. She was not kidding. She wasn't joking. I'd have gotten out of there, too."

Agreed. So, and then if she would have gone up to dismantle the royal family, and they could have been 100% worth dismantling. You just don't go then and then try to have people say the Duchess of Sussex is entering the room, right?

That is where you're going to lose your audience. Yeah. It doesn't feel authentic. And then she's also really trying to brand herself um as a solo kind of um

Megan Megan Megan period Susie Homemaker whatever you will. Um and on the flip side

I do know that you know she's a human being a mom trying to maybe make a career. I don't know where they're get does Harry get any money. I don't know.

I know the money is very cuz they live a very expensive life. They live in Monosto like

well ex that house is not cheap and they have a bunch of projects but a lot of times they don't finish those projects. Like she famously didn't finish her Spotify podcast, her second podcast. He has a book deal for three books. He's only released one like

right. So you know that's why I feel like that money could run out. So she could be having a panic of I need to make a brand real quick so we can sustain our lifestyle. Yeah. Um

I just don't think the jams are going to sustain the Monosito lifestyle. I don't I don't think so either. And I don't think so either. So

did you ever live in LA? Cuz you live in Chicago. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. I lived in LA for

20 years. Oh, loved hated. Hey, I did not like it. Oh wow. I didn't like it. You know, I'm from the Midwest. There's a Midwest sensibility of, you know, just like this down to earth, you know, sit on the sit on the porch. You drink beers. The kids catch lightning bugs. That does not happen in LA. In fact, you don't know your neighbors in LA.

Totally. So, I um I got out of dodge when Evan turned eight. I was like, I need my son to play in fire hydrants, ride the bike down the street where I don't think he's going to be kidnapped, and um playing in the fire hydrant. That's really cute. I agree. Next, pop culture. Are you into TikTok at all? Like, do you know the players?

Well, Alex Earl, I don't know the players. You don't know the players? Okay. So, did you watch Dancing with the Stars this season?

I did. Do you feel like Dancing with the Stars is kind of a competitor to um Massinger? Um,

I was having this conversation with somebody who she was an influencer and she has an amazing singing voice and I was like, "Would you ever go on the M singer? Um, because we both agreed like we can never go on Dancing with the Stars. It literally seems so hard." And I feel like it's really similar,

you know? I I think it's similar in terms of uh possibly casting similar celebrities. We do a lot of crossover,

but um I guess it would if you were a dance if you were Dancing with the Stars viewer, you might be a mass singer viewer as well. We might we might attract the same people, but I don't look at them as competition.

Interesting. Yeah. What do you make of the Kardashians? Do you watch your show?

I do watch the Kardashians. You do. So do I. I do. I do love the Kardashians. And you've interacted with them over the years. Yes.

I did Skiims. Uh me and Carmen Electra did one two summers ago, I think. Iconic.

It was pretty fun. And I showed up not knowing we were going to be doing a '9s old school like red Corvette water hose. Mh.

I was like, I would have bikini waxed everything if I known I was crawling on all fours. But nonetheless, it turned out great.

Was that a high paying gig? Uh, you know what? It was a fair paying gig. It was fair wage.

Uh-huh. It was fair. Um, but I do love watching the show. I love Chloe. Mhm. Um, I want Chloe to branch outside her family for guests. She's definitely like scarred from this whole life. It's very shocking to watch her cuz she's always been like the most confident, loud one. And in recent years, it's very clear that like

she's scarred. She's scarred from fame. I think she got probably not the brunt cuz Kim has always been more famous, but so much of the negativity when it comes to like people who hate the Kardashians, they really come for Khloe and her looks for so many years.

Think about the trauma that she's gone through just outside of that. So then there's like the Lamar and everything.

100%. She's she has got a she's got armor and I know that armor, but she doesn't want to let let anybody else in. She doesn't even go out, you know what I mean? But I'm hoping that her podcast she kind of introduced more people like I would love to do her show. Totally, you know, and this is where I think that in my brain

I go like I could totally be friends with Chloe. You know what I mean? We all think we could be friends with Chloe, but that's why she's everyone's favorite. She's so real. What do you make about the sisters? I feel like every season we have this conversation, but it feels more than ever like they're so Especially Courtney and the others, they're so distant. Like there is such a weirdness in their relationship. And of course, they're all on different paths. Kim is like in her hustle era. She can't stop taking different gigs. And Courtney is the total opposite breastfeeding her 8-year-old. So, what do you make of like the sort of shift and that there's really like a divide between them?

There is. I think therapy is its own main character in the show. Kim might call it the nemesis. Yeah. In it because I I do think there's some truth to when Courtney got into therapy. I will say she found her voice.

Yes. It was a good thing for her until a certain point. I think correct. I think um and I can understand, you know, in therapy where you learn, hey, maybe my mom cheating on my dad caused me to have resentment for my mom and now I have

now that's why I don't, you know, I don't get along very well or I'm not as close, I should say. So, I think therapy is causing a lot of um stuff to come up and the Kardashians always talk about that they learn to just brush things under the carpet. I think as time goes on, we're going to see now that they're all in therapy,

things come to a head even more. And I feel like the show has gotten better cuz there was a couple of years at the end of the E and then the beginning of the Hula where like it wasn't my favorite. They were just like fake story lines. I do feel like they're sharing more now.

Now, now let me just dive into this for a little bit second. If we can dissect this is is I'm I'm always interested how Chris like roots for the exes that have hurt

oh my god the daughters I'm mind boggled by that now you know it's like why aren't you with Lamar like get Lamar back or or like Scott should be invited to everything it's like mom did you see have you did you watch the other episodes back in the day like I gave him so many chances I've moved on I don't want my ex do you want um you know, Caitlyn to come here and she's like, "Good point." So, it goes back to that because I feel like the girls all talk about how amazing it was that their mom and Robert Kardashian after the divorce.

It was a little you know, rough for a while, but overall they had an amazing childhood with both parents in the house even though they weren't together. And they talk about how amazing that was and how much they appreciated their mom putting aside their differences. And I feel like now she's just taken that too far. The way she's like keeps all these toxic men around and some of them like are the kids dads. So, I understand it to a certain point. Me, too. But she's doing too much.

Too much. Too much. 100%. I It's important to get along with the baby daddies, but not, you know, inviting them over to like watch a movie in your bed. Exactly.

My final question for you is, do you watch Bravo? Um, it depends which show. I mean, I'm watching The Housewives of Beverly Hills.

Okay. And what do you make about Rachel Zo? I love her. I I think it was a good choice.

I think it was a great choice. You know what? She's given a honest perspective on divorce. Yes.

She's not holding back. We love her style. I think that she's um not scared to use her voice, but she's using it also not in a mean, harsh way yet.

Yeah, because I'm I'm remembering Rachel Zo, the show on Bravo where she was like really mean. That's not at all what she was giving.

No, she seemed lovely and she's wealthy and stylish and that's enough. you coming out of the gate, you know, everyone send out their representative. Like she's putting, you know, she's showing her um her boundaries a little bit like, you know, don't come for me so quick because I've got I'm tough.

Yeah. But the thing about the Beverly Hills women is that like there is definitely a hierarchy. Like people don't mess with Kathy Hilton because she's Kathy Hilton. And I feel like people aren't really going to mess with Rachel Zone. Nobody wants to be on Rachel Zo [ __ ] list. Like they're not dumb, these women.

No, no one wants to. And I want to be stopped by her. So I would be like, "Oh, free advice. Does this bag go with this?" Have you ever been approached for any of those shows? Because you've done reality TV. Yes, I have. But any You've been for like Housewives Housewives, Beverly Hills. I've been I've been approached now for um Bethany actually. This is kind of old news, but Bethany uh emailed me and said, "I'd love to be have you be come on to the housewives of New York

when she in the original or when she came back?" When she was when she came back.

Love that. And were you living in New York? I was I was like, "Girl, I'm living in Jersey. I'm living in Hoboken. I don't know if but you know no one lives in the city that they say they're from

but um and then also um when they were going to do housewives Chicago I was asked but I am I'm you know I'm not

housewife I'm a a voyer of it um I'm a dissector of it if I was on the show I'd be like

yeah you'd be recording podcast I would just be like loving it now if I had to if times got of You never know. You never know. That's why I say never say never for any job. But yeah.

When did you live in Hoboken? Was that during the Blue Bloodoods? That was during my uh SiriusXM years. My seven years.

Oh. Oh. Oh. And you were married to Donnie then. Yes, I was married to Donnie. Y

the life of Jenny McCarthy. Did you get my beauty package? I did. You're also the founder of her makeup brand.

Super clean. Super clean. That's very important to you. Can I brag about it? Go for it.

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Oh wow. Which lowers your glutathione, which is why they say don't take Tylenol. It lowers your glutathione. So there is a connection. That's why I think it's really important to tell people. So, you want to use products that are super clean because your body can't detox. Got it. Got it.

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Well, I know. So, we're in 480 stores if you want to go test it in person. And you started totally on your own.

I started with three lip glosses only to see if people were interested in true clean beauty cuz everyone says they're clean and guess what? They're not.

Well, the thing is is and I've never been particularly like a clean person until I got pregnant. And I didn't really know that that could expand. I did think a lot of like clean beauty was a marketing thing. And I do think that a lot of the products that are marked clean are not. They're not. And I made a Tik Tok like doing my makeup when I was pregnant and I was using the Milk Hydrogrip Primer and somebody was like, "You can't use that. It's not breastfeeding safe." I'm like, "I'm not breastfeeding, excuse me, pregnancy safe." And I'm like, "There's makeup that's not pregnancy safe." I had no idea.

When I go live, so many pregnant mamas come on my channel and like I'm pregnant. I'm like, "We made this for you."

That's so crazy that like you can that like there are makeup products. Like what's really in them if you can't use them when you're pregnant? It's kind of chilling to think about. the parabens, the phalates, those are cancer-causing agreements for forldahhide. The hormone disruptors alone, they're still heavy metals. You're going to find a lot of lead in makeup. So, we follow the environmental working group guidelines and they gave us a list of over 900 pages of unacceptable ingredients. And you have none of them.

We've Yeah. None of them. We formed a whole beauty brand around that. That's why we belong in Sprouts cuz people care about ingredients.

That's very cool. It's called Formless Beauty. Formalist Beauty. Do you feel like maybe you want to make code toast for, you know, maybe five or 10% off? Just a suggestion.

I would love to. So, why don't we do 10? Okay, you guys, you're welcome. Yep. Jenny, a pleasure. Really, honestly, cannot wait to just see what you do next. And we're really looking forward to the Jenny McCarthy podcast era. We had the Playboy era, we had the SiriusXM era, we had the reality TV era, we have Mass Singer era, but we're ready for your podcast era, too.

And then please come on my podcast and please think about me singer sometime. I would love that.

Just ask me. I'll be there. Like, you know, I'm so desperate and thirsty. Like, yeah, I would love to sing. I I sing at the karaoke for like the homeless man outside. I will sing on TV. All you have to do is ask.

Okay, good. Um, and yes, I would love to come on your podcast. Guys, this was our last interview for the year. I hope you enjoyed every minute of it and we will see you on the next one. Love you. Bye.

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What is discussed in "The Story of Us: The Toast, Friday, December 12th, 2025"?

In order: 0:00 Jackson Claude, Jaclyn Flet, Jenny McCarthy; 10:00 Zoe Des Chanel, Jenny McCarthy; 30:00 HBO Max, Khloe Kardashian, Warner Brothers, Jacob Meyers Norris; 40:00 Hannah Burner, Kyle Cook, Morgan Wallen; 1:00:00 Jenny McCarthy, Mass Singer, Zorhan Mam Donnie, Jackson Claude; 1:10:00 Amber Riley, Jenny McCarthy, Mass Singer, Sherry Shepard; 1:20:00 Mass Singer, Harry and Megan; 1:30:00 Formless Beauty, Jenny McCarthy, Khloe Kardashian, Mass Singer.

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