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The Wayward Women of Hollywood: Wednesday, February 18th, 2026

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "The Wayward Women of Hollywood: Wednesday, February 18th, 2026", an episode of The Toast published February 18, 2026 (1 h 9 min, about 16,075 words). It mentions 35 people, works and ideas, including Tell Me Lies, Hannah Montana, Marley Cyrus, Paul Salem, Hillary Duff.

What this episode is about

A lively morning talk segment centers on pop culture, branding a new “weward women of Hollywood” concept and highlighting a playful tension between hosts as they discuss romantic rumors and the rule of business-minded stability in celebrity relationships. It notes the ongoing dynamic among the hosts, the new segment about a “businessman of the week,” and clarifies the rumor surrounding Paul Salem and Nicole Kidman.

Key takeaways

  • Spoiler zones get real: hint at finale talk but keep it vibe-friendly—audience loves mystery, hates leaks.
  • Talk-show meta: humblebrag about 'producer-like' segments while selling fantasy of Hollywood 'win-win' dating.
  • Overt fandom tension: shift from romance to real estate drama reveals the gendered expectations baked in.
  • Relatability alert: 'valley vs. Beverly Hills' mortgage struggle doubles as class commentary, not just noise.
  • Two-for-one fatigue: binge fatigue vs. cliffhanger appetite—audience craves closure but savors ongoing chaos.

Who speaks in this episode?

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 10:00: Paul Salem, Shots of Sunset, Tell Me Lies, Jackson Claude
  2. – 20:00: Hannah Montana, Better Help, Skiims, Smartmouth
  3. – 30:00: Hannah Montana, Marley Cyrus, Jackson Claude
  4. – 40:00: Hillary Duff, Raise Your Voice, Bring It On, Heather Neighbor Grace
  5. – 50:00: Tell Me Lies, Influence, Heather Neighbor Grace, BFFs
  6. – 1:00:00: Tell Me Lies, Paul Salem
  7. – 1:09:14: Tell Me Lies

Notable quotes from "The Wayward Women of Hollywood: Wednesday, February 18th, 2026"

  • It is. It's me and Paul Salem. Paul Salem, we have our [ __ ] TWW behind us, our businessman of the week. I feel really good about this new segment.
    about Paul Salem · at
  • Big day because the Tell me Lies because it's the Tell Me Lies series finale recap. we're going to do. If you haven't watched it yet, it will be at the end of the episode. So, this is a spoiler-free zone. I just want to.
    about Tell Me Lies · at
  • You're welcome. First story, Miley Cyrus will return for the Hannah Montana 20th anniversary special. set to be released in March on Disney Plus. So, Miley is celebrating 20 years of Hannah,.
    about Hannah Montana · at
  • And Emily's really the only If we don't get Jackson, if we don't get Jackson, throw it in the garbage. And if we were doing like a concert style format, we could have gotten like Rico and Jackson's beef jerky song. Like there's.
    about Jackson Claude · at
  • Hillary Duff is making a rare comment on her complicated family dynamic.
    about Hillary Duff · at
  • Where's the raise your voice 20th anniversary special where Hillary Duff sits on a stage going like yeah.
    about Raise Your Voice · at
  • By the way, have we ever put together that Raise Your Voice was directed by Shawn McNamera?
    about Chief McNamera · at
  • Yes. So, she's discussing Zack Bryan's new marriage and friendship dissolution with Grace, which I literally like I'm I'm over Zach Bryan. Like I love what she did for us, like letting him know like we all know.
    about Heather Neighbor Grace · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • Marley Cyrus — Person · Referenced celebrity (news subject) · 3 mentions · first at
    Central to the Hannah Montana anniversary discussion; hosts criticize the announced format and want her to perform the music.
    Not what the people want. Miley is Oh, I'm sorry. I'm I'm I'm hating this. Miley is always like dangling Hannah in front of us, and she's been posting so much about the 20th…
  • Paul Salem — Person · Running gag / segment anchor (Businessman of the Week) · 6 mentions · first at
    Used as the inaugural 'businessman of the week' and as a comedic 'stable businessman' archetype for Hollywood women; jokingly linked to Nicole Kidman and Khloe Kardashian.
  • Hillary Duff — Person · Referenced family member (news context) · 4 mentions · first at
    Mentioned alongside Haley Duff in discussion of Hilary Duff’s family rift; no further detail provided.
  • Heather Neighbor Grace — Person · Referenced person (internet drama subject) · 3 mentions · first at
    Discussed as part of the Brianna Chickenfry friendship breakup narrative; however only a single-name reference is provided, so this person entity is skipped per instructions.
  • Jackson Claude — Person · Host (named in intro) · 2 mentions · first at
    Named as the host in the opening; also referenced as a desired Hannah Montana cast participant ('Jackson').
  • Zack Bryan — Person · Referenced celebrity (drama context) · 2 mentions · first at
    Appears in discussion of Brianna Chickenfry’s media tour and the fallout around her relationship and public narrative.
    Yes. So, she's discussing Zack Bryan's new marriage and friendship dissolution with Grace, which I literally like I'm I'm over Zach Bryan. Like I love what she did for us,.
  • Chief McNamera — Person · Referenced director (filmography discussion) · 1 mention · first at
    Praised as director of Raise Your Voice and other projects; hosts call for a documentary and list his range.
  • Nicole Kidman — Person · Referenced celebrity (joke pairing) · 2 mentions · first at
    Used as an example of a 'wayward woman of Hollywood' who could be 'tethered' to a stable businessman; jokingly rumored to be courting Paul Salem.
    On some of like the information I received yesterday, Paul Salem and Nicole Kidman like are seeing one another. And that's that was like sort of the point of the TMC story.
  • Alex Cooper — Person · Referenced host (special interviewer) · 1 mention · first at
    Named as the host interviewing Miley Cyrus for the Hannah Montana anniversary special, shaping expectations for the format.
    It will be filmed in front of a live studio audience and will feature an interview with Miley hosted by Alex Cooper. She will revisit iconic moments from the show as well as…
  • Haley Duff — Person · Referenced family member (news context) · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned as part of Hilary Duff’s described family rift and complicated family dynamics.
    Yeah. So, she sat down with Glamour magazine. She touched on her rift with her sister Haley and Ashley and her father and why she wrote about it in her two of her new songs.
  • Rita Wilson — Person · Referenced actor (Raise Your Voice cast) · 1 mention · first at
    Discussed as Hilary Duff’s 'Raise Your Voice mom' and noted as appearing in many projects; used to fuel nostalgia.
    Did you see that Hillary Duff was actually reunited with her raise your voice mom? Rita Wilson. They like took a picture. I don't know if Rita went to her show something. They saw one another and took a picture and it was like.
  • Khloe Kardashian — Person · Referenced celebrity (example) · 1 mention · first at
    Cited as an example of a Hollywood woman who could be 'tethered' to a stable businessman like Paul Salem.
    Khloe Kardashian and Paul Salem, right? It's for women who need to be buoied to something, tethered to, someone with their feet firmly planted on the ground. Someone much like.
  • Bill Corbett — Person · Referenced actor (Raise Your Voice cast) · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned as part of Raise Your Voice nostalgia; identified as the teacher character.
    We needed to see her with John Corbett.
  • Chris Cody — Person · Referenced person (unclear identity) · 1 mention · first at
    Only first name is provided; skipped per instructions.
    Cody, we have to have him on the toast.

Concepts & topics

  • Influence — Concept · Referenced concept (career context) · 2 mentions · first at
    Used to frame Brianna/Grace as 'internet sphere' figures navigating fame, backlash, and hometown social dynamics.
    Just like both operate in the internet sphere, which isn't like huge. And at their friends weddings as the two influencer friends who hate each other.
  • American Dream — Concept · Referenced concept (value framing) · 1 mention · first at
    Used to describe homeownership and suburban family life in 'the Valley' as aspirational for many cast members.
    People who like live in the valley, love the valley, love their houses. Like they're living the dream. It's really the American dream for a lot of them.
  • Cultural — Concept · Referenced concept (interpretive lens) · 1 mention · first at
    Used to interpret reality-show conflict as culturally influenced rather than purely marital dysfunction.
    Everything on this show for like being cultural because they're all from the same culture, but like it's definitely like a little cultural especially like you would think if you watch a show that all their marriages are in disarray.
  • Middle Eastern — Concept · Referenced concept (cultural framing) · 1 mention · first at
    Used to describe a style of arguing/fighting on the reality show as culturally specific and not necessarily signaling divorce.
    Like they fight non-stop, but it's like a very Middle Eastern type of fighting and I don't know. I'm not worried about a lot of them. Some of them I am, but like no, they're not like they're.

Places & events

  • Beverly Hills — Place · Referenced location (aspirational move) · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned in Shots of Sunset discussion as the desired place to move back to, contrasted with 'the Valley'.
    Like on you know harder times. And he was like you're just crazy if you move but she like wants to go back to Beverly Hills. And so she's at this dinner with people who like…

Media & podcasts

  • Tell Me Lies — Media · Core topic (series finale recap) · 7 mentions · first at
    The episode builds toward a spoiler-heavy recap and critique of the series finale, character arcs, and unresolved plot threads.
  • Hannah Montana — Media · Core topic (news story) · 8 mentions · first at
    The hosts react to news of a Disney+ 20th anniversary special and debate what fans actually want (music vs. interview/nostalgia).
  • Raise Your Voice — Media · Referenced media (nostalgia / behind-the-scenes curiosity) · 4 mentions · first at
    Used to contrast with Hannah Montana: hosts say they know little about behind-the-scenes and want more content; also used to discuss Hillary Duff’s stability and cast reunions.
  • Bring It On — Media · Referenced media (analogy) · 3 mentions · first at
    Referenced while discussing 'Sharks vs Jets' and how later works adapt earlier classics; also tied to director Shawn McNamara’s filmography.
    That's like Oh, bring it on. Fight to the finish. I don't know that one.
  • Shots of Sunset — Media · Referenced media (viewing update) · 2 mentions · first at
    Mentioned as a show the host is binge-watching; used to discuss shifting alliances and cultural fighting styles.
    That took up my whole night cuz I also had to watch last week's episode. So, I have like a twofur for you. I also watched a lot of Shots of Sunset and like the people that I…
  • Westside Story — Media · Referenced media (source material analogy) · 2 mentions · first at
    Used to explain that 'Sharks vs Jets' originates from West Side Story and that a Bring It On sequel mirrors it.
    Seven, whatever. Sharks versus Jets. So Claudia and I say everything Sharks versus Jets, but apparently Sharks versus Jets is from Westside Story.
  • Clueless — Media · Referenced media (adaptation analogy) · 1 mention · first at
    Used as an example of modern works adapting classics (Clueless as Jane Austen).
    It's like how Clueless is like Jane Austin.
  • The Lion King — Media · Referenced media (adaptation analogy) · 1 mention · first at
    Used as another example of adaptation (The Lion King as Hamlet) while discussing cultural references.
  • BFFs — Podcast · Referenced podcast (context for drama) · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned as a show that ended, in the context of Brianna Chickenfry/Grace drama and podcast breakups.
    Yeah. They ended BFFs. But I think still does plan B. Like I think solo.
  • Plan B — Podcast · Referenced podcast (context for drama) · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned as possibly continuing after BFFs ended; used to illustrate that the drama exceeded the audience size.
    Yeah. They ended BFFs. But I think still does plan B. Like I think solo.

Sponsors

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    Promoted as dermatologist-recommended hair growth supplements; discussed in context of postpartum, stress, and weight-loss shedding.
    Health from within and the results actually build over time. So, Neutrifol is the number one dermatologist recommended hair growth supplement brand and it's the number one hair…
  • Therapy — Concept · Sponsor-adjacent concept (BetterHelp ad) · 3 mentions · first at
    Discussed as a tool for navigating relationships and self-clarity, especially around dating pressures.
    Most of us are still figuring out and finding our way. So no matter where you are in your romantic journey, therapy can help you find your way, help you determine what you…
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    Implicitly addressed through therapy promotion and discussion of emotional strain from shows and relationships.
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Full transcript with timestamps

Good morning. It's the It's Jackson Claude and we're your host. It's your favorite show. The best five things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast. They sound amazing. Welcome back to the toast and happy hump day. Don't forget to hump someone you love. Speaking of girls that I love, I'm joined by my co-host, my partner in both work and in life. It's

me. Keep going. I can't. So, if youare that actually sounds good. Like that's your pitch. Yeah. Register. Yeah.

Yeah. Yes. Slay mama. So good. That's who it is with Claudia today. It is. It's me

and Paul Salem. Paul Salem, we have our [ __ ] TWW behind us, our businessman of the week. I feel really good about this new segment.

Me, too. I would like to address some comments from yesterday. Specifically, one being like, "What about the business woman of the week?" And you're listening to the wrong show.

You're you're missing the point. And also, the whole point of the businessmen bow is to help pop stars in need. Like, it's for women. It's of course it's a women's issue when you boil it down. And let me tell you how badly I don't want to see like Glenn Powell with a business woman.

No, that's not the point, you guys. You're misunderstanding. Point is for weward women of Hollywood to find a stable businessman.

The weward women of Hollywood. I love that title. I can count on 1000%. Khloe Kardashian and Paul Salem,

right? It's for women who need to be buoied to something, tethered to, you know, someone with their feet firmly planted on the ground. Someone much like Paul Salem. And I just want to say based on some of like the information I received yesterday, Paul Salem and Nicole Kidman like are seeing one another. And that's that was like sort of the point of the TMC story.

But they literally said that they're not they've been on two group dates, but like they're seeing one another. Like they're it's a courtship. Like he's courting her.

Yes, he's courting her. He hasn't had the courage to ask her out on a solo date yet. We're rooting for you, Paul.

We are definitely rooting for you. Uh but yeah, this is for the women of Hollywood who who need more

and who need to settle down love that with a billionaire. Today's a huge day. It's Wednesday, which means we've reached sort of an inflection point in the week. And how you choose to receive that

is quite beautiful. Um, but it's also you inflecting on reflecting on I'm I'm like I'm re receiving the middle of the week as like

Yeah, you know. Yeah. We sound like one of those like fake podcast clips. Wait, really?

To job my love. That's kind of a big statement and that's the kind of statements you can come to expect here. Okay,

that's a big statement. What I was trying to say was that it's a big day because the Tell me Lies

because it's the Tell Me Lies series finale recap. we're going to do. If you haven't watched it yet, it will be at the end of the episode. So, this is a spoiler-free zone. Um, I just want to say I'm feeling really excited to talk about it. And I'm personally feeling like, and this is not going to spoil anything. I'm personally just feeling a huge weight lifted off my shoulders that I don't have to watch a show anymore cuz like I was getting to a point where it was such a good show. Like, I was taking it on emotionally and I come to sort of like dread it. Um, and I just feel free.

I agree. It was a lot to get like sucked in every week to this anxietyinducing show and I'm glad that it's over, but I'm glad that like we experienced it as we did. I don't want to spoil anything, but I I think that the ending was like really great and we can send ye on your merry way.

I am smiling because it's over, but also because it happened. Yeah. Yeah. We'll talk about that at the end of the show, though. But that liter that took up my whole night cuz I also had to watch last week's episode. So, I have like a twofur for you. I also watched a lot of Shots of Sunset and like the people that I was liking like are starting to act out and I think I need to stop watching the show because it's like kind of inconvenient for me to like change my alliances. Like I'm sorry I like Bam Shot and Sky and like they're crazy. Like so it's just not it's not convenient for me anymore.

Okay. What about the But you when like your faves become the villain, I'm out. But that's when they need you the most.

Yeah. I'm just kind of a fair weather fan. I just got here. But do you still like like what they're doing like is wrong or everyone just thinks it's wrong?

Both. like it's they're making a bigger deal for sure, but like she's just like a like a brat and she like hates the valley. She hates the food in the valley, the houses in the valley, the people in the valley during co like they took a hit financially so they had to move to the valley and now it's 5 years later and like they're ready to move. Um but it's kind of like a very relatable thing. They have this amazing mortgage rate and they can't they're like stuck. Resa was like you're crazy to move. You have such a great mortgage rate. Um and she was like but it's not my dream house. They moved into it when they were like on you know harder times. And he was like you're just crazy if you move but she like wants to go back to Beverly Hills. And so she's at this dinner with people who like live in the valley, love the valley, love their houses. Like they're living the dream. It's really the American dream for a lot of them.

They own homes and they're just like sending their kids to school and it's great. Um, and she's just like, I hate it here. It's disgusting. So like they're like, "Okay, well that's rude." And she just doesn't know. Like she

I I do want to say I can't blame everything on this show for like being cultural because they're all from the same culture, but like it's definitely like a little cultural especially like you would think if you watch a show that all their marriages are in disarray. like they fight non-stop, but it's like a very Middle Eastern type of fighting and I don't know. I I'm not worried about a lot of them. Some of them I am, but like no, they're not like they're fine.

Yeah. All that to say like she's just being bratty and like condescending and rude and like this is a way of life like all these people really love. Like they love their lives res like they love their homes. They love their gardens. Like it's nice and she's like in hell. It's actually funny.

So she should just leave. Yeah. Yeah. But then she like leaves the show. Okay. Yeah. I heard that it was supposed to be called the Valley Persian version

and they changed it to the Valley Persian style. And I just want to say whoseever decision that was, like you should be fired. You're obviously mad at your job.

But also, Shaw of the Valley was right there. Of course, but like they want to franchise the Valley.

So fine, they wanted it to be the Valley: Persian version. Hilarious. Why didn't they do that?

I don't know. Version's like not a great word. It's not a great word to be in a TV show title. Like I get it, but neither is a Persian style. It's good enough for Taylor.

Taylor's version. We are like lowkey matching today in rugby shirts. Rugby striped shirts.

Yeah, mine's from Nordstromrack. Mine's from Cynthia Rowley. I went to Nordstromrack IRL and had the best time. I didn't even know what was waiting for me on the website. The shirt was like seriously $17. I don't know that to be true, but it was like under 40.

It's really cute. You just need shirts when you're a podcaster. A daily podcaster.

And your shoes. Oh, yes. I'm wearing fancy like flip flops. They're called Oh my god. Texas

tequ Yeah, because like who wants to wear flip flops, but like these are so elegant.

Texas Mer PK. She said the Texas from PK. She says Texas from PK. That's the brand.

Yeah, Texas from PK. Um, how are the stories today? They're good. It's again like there was a lot of stories that were like all lightly interesting. Um, not like so significant. And so I picked my five favorite.

Yeah. Any businessman of the week come to mind this week? Well, we already have our businessman of the week, so I I didn't want to feel so conflicted.

Yeah. And I just want to make everyone know like don't come to expect businessman of the week to be every week because then it gets forced. Think of it more as like a Kelly's mindless news. Like when a businessman makes news, whatever week that may be, he will be the businessman of the week. And until then, Paul Salem is a businessman until we find another one.

Yeah. And I think the businessmen like would like that that are we gonna keep the photo rotating

or Paul Salem he's our inaugural like he's forever we can't have a picture of Paul Salem up here forever.

Oh and do you want to hear the best part like he wants to be businessman of the week

every week. Do you want to hear the absolute best part of this whole thing is the cardboard cooji element of it because I wanted to get a frame. Does that frame look familiar?

HomeGoods. I bought it at HomeGoods like a little while ago um because we took these really cute holiday pictures like with Santa and everything and the kids and I was like let me just like frame it. And I bought it from HomeGoods. It was $6 and it was actually broken. Like the picture wouldn't say in like it doesn't say up. It's like so broken. So I meant to return it. Obviously never did. And now it's been repurposed.

Yeah. Cardboard Cooji reigns supreme. And except cardboard cooji didn't make the return.

I know. Not very cardboard. Oh, sorry. No, I sorry. We did. And they were like you didn't buy this here. I'm like excuse me. I did. And they were like, "And you also broke it." I'm like, "You broke it."

Yeah. And then I got into a fight. So, it's just been like, it's been hanging around and now I found a purpose for it.

Home. Yeah. Of Paul Salem. But any businessman like it's never too late to be businessman of the week. If you want to give us a jet, you could be business.

Oh, that's a very easy way to give us like to if you want to be businessman of the week, here's how you can get it. Give us a jet.

We can be bought. This is a segment that where bribery is like very much a factor

or if like you're in a business that's having like trouble optically like you could sponsor businessman of the week like

like a great idea if astronomer like wanted to rehabilitate their CEO. They could have bought businessman of the week where we had to say nice things about that CEO.

Yes. It could be a sponsored segment. So just like I want everyone to know like that's coming. Um give a giving us a jet either like for a trip or of course in perpetuity.

Yeah. evergreen. Um, making us like, you know, they're always giving like celebrities like the chief mom officer. Yeah, we'll do that.

A paid gig. You called me something yesterday in the ads of Thrive Market. I said you're the chief

brand officer. Maybe that's a good job for me if the CEO of Thrive Market wants to be businessman of the week.

And we're just assuming that all major companies have CEOs who are men. No, if they have a CEO who's a woman, you're not eligible. like but that's really

this is very much like a binary segment. But that's amazing that you that you did that.

You love to see women like in high places sleigh mama all the way and then you don't need businessman of the week for your business's optics because you're probably like in a good spot with kind of how the way

it's kind of like how we have women's history month but not men's history month like some like you have business man of the week but not businesswoman of the week.

Yeah. Some things just are some they need uplifting. The businessmen need uplifting.

Correct. Yeah. I'm really excited to see what comes of this. Yeah, I'm like looking forward to seeing what the future holds for BMOW.

I feel like we're gonna meet some really great businessmen. I mean, and I didn't even know about Paul Salem yesterday and he's like literally like changed my life

and Nicole Kidman's hopefully soon in a positive way. And if you're a celebrity who watches this show, like maybe get some inspo for your next boyfriend.

Yes, of course. Although unfortunately like a lot of the businessmen are wifed up.

Yeah. But not in a meaningful way sometimes. Yeah. Or like formerly wifed up. But no, we're not here to like break up any marriages. Maybe we can only have

single single. Then we're really that's really hard to find. Like I feel like we're really pigeon holeing ourselves.

Yeah, we are. We are. We'll see the natural evolution of the MOTW. Yeah. One thing we have to let the chips fall where they've been.

I can't believe people said, "What about business woman?" Seriously, I can't believe you guys.

I know. It's like, do you not know us at all? Like, stop. just stop. So yeah. So yeah,

that's the latest and the greatest. Do you want to get into the stories? I really do want to talk about Tell Me Lies and unfortunat we have to do the stories before we can do such a thing.

But there are a couple of stories like I actually really need to talk about and I just want to like warn everyone. Hater alert. I'm kind of like hating everything today. Some days I really try to come to the show with like light and positivity and be like, you know what, it's going to be great and then you know what? I just want to be honest.

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this. Miley is always like dangling Hannah in front of us, and she's been posting so much about the 20th anniversary, the wig, and it's like, girl, all we want is for you to put the wig on and sing. Like, that's all we want. We want the songs. We want the music. People love the show, of course, but like we want Hannah Montana, the pop star. Oh, great. We're going to recreate the sets. Like, I'm good.

Yeah, this would have been nice like paired with a concert or a tour or like a DVD or something like I'm sorry, this sucks. It's like the Friends reunion. And the Friends reunion was like not my favorite. It was like live studio audience like talking about the fun memories, but it was cool to see the friends back together. Like the show about like Hannah and Lily and Oliver like great, but that's not what people love. It's the music. It is the music. I would love to hear her up there singing the hits. Shaking that thing.

I need like a backyard sessions. Remember her like old YouTube series where she's just singing Hannah

stripping them down. This is the life. Fine. Don't even wear the wig. Okay. Like all of the things about Hannah Montana like are great. The sets, the people, the footage. Sure. But it's really the music that like carried the generation through. And it's what people miss. It did. They didn't did not say that. They said they're recreating the sets, watching old footage, and taking a look back. Okay.

There might be some familiar notes that find their way. Notes. That's a weird thing to say. Maybe like musical notes.

Are they withholding that she's gonna sing? Cuz to me, that's the pull. I Yeah, it's weird because a bigger fan of Hannah Montana you could not find than me.

Than our family, by the way. Like I could not have watched that show backwards. It It shaped me as a person.

So this is for the fans. This is for me. This doesn't do any I don't need to hear behind the scenes what happened on the set of the show that I watched 20 years ago.

It was like a show for kids. There's not going to be drama. It's not like that tea. You know,

it's not tea. So, I don't really know what this is. And you're right. Miley's always dangling Hannah. Every time she gets a haircut with bangs, she's like Hannah.

Every time she gets a haircut, it's a Hannah tease. Every time she releases new music, it's a Hannah tease. Every time she's like cleaning out her closet, it's a Hannah. Like, she has dangled it in front of us for so long. She does give us like little crumbs. I know she sings The Climb live a lot like on her shows and tours, but like she's overarchingly giving us given us nothing except that she is thinks very fondly of Hannah, which is nice. Now,

this is really not enough for me. Now, again, I can acknowledge like I have a high bar cuz like you said, like love Hannah. Like Hannah shaped us. Like I know everywhere. I just I sometimes listen to Hannah Montana in the car and I still know every line to every word. Every word to every line. Um so yes, my bar is high, but like I don't need a sit down interview with Miley. Like maybe in addition to the concert, this is just not what I need. If she did like a live, you know what they should have done? They should have done like a live show at like the Hollywood Bowl where they streamed it live on Disney Plus. Like people could buy tickets like in in person thing where like she either performs as Hannah or like Miley, you know, reflecting on Hannah and she could talk about, you know, maybe the this the the tour stage is like designed like her Malibu house and maybe she'll talk in between songs about maybe Lily will come

out and sing a song like sure. But the music not being the center of this, like I'm so out.

I just don't think there's like a even a good way to do something like this. Like it's just a moment that's gone, you know? And can't we just accept that? Like

no, I I don't think she has to accept it. Like I think there is a way to honor it and this is not it.

I I don't know. What do I need from Hannah now 20 years on? I need her to sing.

Yeah, I guess. Like that's that's the only thing I need from Hannah right now. Yeah. I don't know. I like So this is for me. I don't know if I will get around to watching it. It depends what what the meat is. One, the singing, but two, maybe there are interesting stories and I don't even know why I would be interested by

I don't think her dad is going to be involved. I think he will be there in a good place. And if he's not, that's

Yeah, I don't know why. I just like I I don't see it for him. I think he's like very polarizing. And then the whole River Rose, Fire Rose, Did you hear her voicemail or not voicemail like her recording

about it? Yeah, it was bad. Um and yes, him and Miley are like a little touch and go. So I think it's probably like, you know,

and Oliver is in a slammer for meth or something. Yeah. So it's like we actually don't need anything

out the slammer besides Hannah. Yeah. And I feel like her and Emily Ozen are actually not friends.

And Emily's really the only If we don't get Jackson, if we don't get Jackson, throw it in the garbage. And if we we were doing like a concert style format, we could have gotten like Rico and Jackson's beef jerky song. Like there's so much to be done. Like this is such a shame.

Jackson came for it. We Jackson. I think maybe he's a little too like he's very artsy. Moist. He's like a photographer.

Moist would go back there. You mean 490 TX? I mean 490 TX. I do think Moisticus would go back there. This element is interesting to me. Like who will participate in what capacity if there isn't a song to be sung? I agree. Throw it in the garbage. But beyond that, I don't know. It just makes me feel old. Who hosted the Friends reunion? Was it James Cordon?

Yeah. I'm just cuz this is like the most similar format. They do a lot of like classic shows reunions. It was James Cordon. Classic shows like reunions or reboots. Like they always do something. and um Friends was the first one to like kind of veer from the template and they did this like interview type thingyamajig. Um and so this feels like the most similar to that. That's why I keep comparing it. It's just like okay.

The good news is though is like I love Miley. Yeah. I love a Miley interview. So this is also that. Yeah.

And I think I I you know what it depends what I'm up to in late March, but like I think I'll give this give this a shot.

Yes. Know, I definitely have plans to watch it and I guess my expectations are so low. Like maybe I'll enjoy it, but this is just not what the fans want. I feel like

there was nothing they could have announced that would like just capture what it was because it was a moment in time. It's fleeting and it's gone. Like

I feel like you're not giving my concert idea like any like you would love that.

I would, but like it would just make me feel old, I think. Like to watch us being old like I don't know.

I think it would make me feel glory days. No, I feel like it would make like I look back on I don't even think of like Hannah Montana as the glory days. on the way get to sing the song.

I don't care. I don't think she does. I think of it as like really the soundtrack of my childhood in such a positive way. It reminds me of my family and like it's so I it doesn't make me feel sad at all. It makes me feel like grateful and so like if she could just honor that. Like the show was amazing. Of course, like it's not about that.

I like your backyard sessions idea. I mean bring yard bring back the backyard. What was it called? Backyard sessions.

Backyardians. Yeah, it was backyard sessions. Yeah. So good. bring back B backyard sessions and a bun. If we could get the bun and a bun. Yeah.

Um and sing Hannah songs in the new Miley fashion. That would be Pargie. Yeah. I mean, she could have brought out Dolly to do a collab.

She's always bringing out Dolly. Yeah. Who else was on the show? Brook Shields.

Um who guest starred on the show? You know who was on the show that was like when we were talking about him, we couldn't remember like how we knew him, but it's actually from Hannah Montana.

Who? Kind of dark, but Rob Reiner. He was in an was he playing himself? I think so.

Yes, he was. Honestly, his kids must have been fans. That's how like Brook Shield says like she didn't even know the show.

Larry David was on it with his daughter. Yes. Yes. Because the kids were fans. Yeah. Dream.

Like that's where being an EPO baby like is actually unfair. Like unfucking fair.

I agree. You got to meet Hannah and Miley and be on the show. Best of both. Oh, and what about Jake Ryan and Austin Butler? He won't be there.

Jake Ryan is not Austin Butler. Was Austin Butler on Hannah Montana? He was. No, he was on Zoe 101.

I think he had a small role in No, he just looked like Jay Ryan. Okay. And what about Jesse?

Jesse. So to me And like Austin Butler was on Hannah Montana. Who did he play? Just like

it wasn't a major role. Okay. It wasn't like a love interest, was it? Unccredited role.

Okay. Are you sure he was on like Derek Hansen in one episode? So he was literally an extra. Like that doesn't count.

Okay. You were confusing him with Jake Ryan. No, no, I wasn't. But I know that he's like credited when people talk about his past as being on Han Montana and not as Jake Ryan. So, I just thought he was like a boyfriend at one point.

Roxy like Roxy like a puma better show up. Like a puma. Yeah, she really influenced us. Like we were always saying that as kids.

Yeah. Um, and what about the girl who said, "Don't worry, Hannah. We'll we'll keep your secret." She's from the movie.

Well, there will be move movie elements. Oh, well, if the movie's in it, then we have so many more people. Lucas 2,

Vanessa Williams, Vanessa [ __ ] Williams, Tyra Banks. Uhhuh. Also, who's the actress? Jan from The Office.

Jan from The Office and the woman from Secretariat. Oh, and Rascal Flats. Ah, they should come out and sing Blessed. See, if we programmed this, like we would have made it like really um for the fans like this. To me, I feel like Ma Miley like deviated from Disney and in recent years she's like very much back in the Disney family. She did she got a Disney honors award and so I feel like her doing this like maybe it's not her

preference on how to honor the show but like she's back in Disney's good graces and like maybe one day we will get I'm just so desperate like

we will not get what what's due to us. But I also don't think Miley does anything she doesn't want to do.

Yeah. If she wasn't about this she wouldn't do it. So I don't think it's like dis Bob Iger not businessman of the week.

So let's like oh he if he if this went off like with he could be businessman of the week.

Bis Bob Iger like was a businessman of a decade. We talked about him incessantly on this show because he was like the only businessman we knew for like the first five years of this show. So he's gotten his flowers.

He has. I also don't think he's at Disney anymore. No. And then he came back. He came back and then he's still there.

He left and came back. Right. Yes. That sounds right. Very like Needy and Greg. And I feel like he's the CEO. We're so like

No, he's not. He's like a chairman. Yeah, he's like fancy chairman. He's so rich.

Chairman Bob, I got to be the chairman of something. You know, the toast. Okay, you'll let me.

Sure. That would make me your boss. You're fired. Okay. Well, like I would love to be wrong. I just want to say that. But all in all, it's just not what I would have preferred.

Yeah. It doesn't really scratch the itch for me. And it I feel like I've will never be scratched.

Yeah, cuz like I've gone back and watched Hannah. It's on Disney Plus and like it hits, but it just like you're right, it was a moment in time, but I just want to say like I think for a lot of girls our age, like looking back on it, like it it does not make me feel sad. It doesn't make me feel old. It really makes me feel like happy and and grateful and like look like Hannah raised us. She really did.

She really did. So let's let's hear from Hannah. Let's see. I'm going to give her a shot. Hear what she has to say. But I just want to like go on record saying like I wasn't asking for this. I wasn't waiting for this

and if we were going to get something to honor the 20th anniversary like it was not an interview style look back.

Yeah. At the sets like I'm good. And I follow the girl on TikTok who lives in the Malibu house.

So, you know, they had a picture of the outside of the Malibu house and they would and they were like showing it from the back. The inside was obviously like a fake set. Um but she lives her grandparents um own the house.

Well, I would love to hear how they came up with some of those riffs for between scenes. Like

maybe that's the notes they're referring to. Where did that come from? Ooh, yeah.

I love it. If they have the footage if we're recording that, I would find that interesting.

There's potential. There's And the more we talk about it, like the more I'm open. But when I saw this, I'm like,

"Okay, move on, everyone." You know? Oh, no. I don't agree. It's We can like move forward and honor Hannah, but without like killing her, beating her to death.

Yeah. I don't know what's right for Hannah. I don't know what's right for her. Maybe it's us. Maybe we're wrong. I'm I'm very open to being wrong.

Yeah. I'm going to give it a shot, though. The more we talk about it, the more potential I see. And you're right. It does center around the music. So, she better up there. Be up there shaking that thing

big time. And that wig. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Uhhuh. Hillary Duff is making a rare comment on her complicated family dynamic.

Yes. I saw her opening up in Glamour magazine. Yeah. So, she sat down with Glamour magazine. She touched on her rift with her sister Haley and Ashley

and her father and why she wrote about it in her two two of her new songs. I wouldn't know cuz like I don't listen to her new music.

Right. I just know um about like the one with the [ __ ] Correct. That one I heard in your head something like that.

She said quote that's my family. Those are the people that affect you the most. Take up the most space naturally as a human who's born into something. Well, true. Just because you're born into a family doesn't mean that it always stays together. You can only control your side of the street. She acknowledged that she's had a very complicated life and said that her parents have a very complicated dynamic as well. They are divorced. I know it's not rare and I think it goes to the back to the theme of why share now. I guess I just felt ready. She said,

"Well, that makes it even sadder that her and Haley aren't close and like actually hate one another cuz if they did grow up in this sort of like unstable toxic environment, like your sister, your sibling, like that's your life raft."

Yeah. And so like they're all on the fritz. Like that's really sad especially cuz they were so close for so long like

Yeah. got through hard times. And then she also said she was like um talking about like friends she's made as a mom. And she was like, "It's been really surprising that like a lot of the friends I made later in life, like through motherhood, are like the deepest, most amazing friendships, even though I haven't known them so long." But then you also like start to prioritize like being around people whose values align with yours. It's giving politics.

You think so? Yeah. That's like what people say. Yeah. There's a lot of kinds of values, especially when it comes to parenting

raising. Yes, that's true. Or it could be like maybe she's referring to like politics or parenting style.

Yeah. Like the gentle parent, right? Like maybe Ashley Tis props up an iPad. There's a lot of things it could be. I agree. It doesn't rule out politics,

but they're never beating the political allegations, right? But also like politics also can spill over into other things where it's more so like

right. You you parent this way because of your politics vibes, right? So I I but I feel like if you if you take a step back and stop trying to like zero in on these two like if you said someone is not your motherhood friend because of like your values don't align like you would understand what that meant, right?

Yeah. I would if I said that I would mean that like we just parent really differently.

Yeah. And like Yeah. That's what I would mean if I said that. So I understand that statement. It doesn't have to be like well she voted for this one and they our values as parents don't align. And if your values as parents don't align, like you probably also voted for different people.

Well, yes. Right. Yes, probably. Um, very sad. Hillary, um, I've made it on. I'm like on Hillary talk. Okay.

She's still doing this like very small tour. Um, she looks so beautiful. She's styled to perfection. Like I don't know who's like she's not wearing like typical tour outfits. She's not wearing like, you know, a bodysuit. She's just wearing like really chic pretty outfits. Um, and she wears a different one. That's like the beauty of being on this like little small tour. like she just she's done like 20 shows and she's going to wear 20 outfits. Like it's not and she looks so cute and pretty and she's singing so good and she's just like really well adjusted. It's nice to see.

You don't see that a lot. And she never had a period publicly. She might have like battled behind closed doors, but she never had that like stereotypical

which is also surprising considering now we're hearing about like her family drama.

Tough home life. Yeah. Yeah. And though that usually lends itself to like some sort of spiral publicly,

especially as you transition from child star to adult, but the child's doing okay today.

This this child I actually attribute a lot of Hillary Duff's like stability to younger. I feel like that was a really important bridge for her.

Yeah. Not even by then she was like grown. Yes. But like it stopped her it really her ability to transition likely. Yeah. From like raise your voice.

Even though who would ever want to leave? Where's the raise your voice 20th anniversary special where Hillary Duff sits on a stage going

like yeah. The reason why we need that is because we know nothing about raise your voice behind the scenes. It's like a steel trap. You know, we've heard from Hanner over the years. We even back in the day like we were there were interviews you know Disney Channel.com like we

but this was just like a movie. This was a movie. We don't know anything about it.

Also who wrote it? Did you see that Hillary Duff was actually reunited with her raise your voice mom? Rita Wilson. They like took a picture. I don't know if Rita went to her show something. They saw one another and took a picture and it was like seriously the best photo I've ever seen in my life. Rita Wilson is lowkey in everything and she's also a country star.

We needed to see her with John Corbett. Was that the dad? No, he was the um the teacher. Oh, of course. The singer teacher.

Right. Who were her parents? They weren't really in it. She went to like boarding school, right?

No, they kicked her out because like Oh, no. It The brother sent in the tape. Yeah.

To go to the music school. Yeah. So, like the parents were kind of irrelevant. Alan what?

Wilson. I don't know him. Rita's brother. Rita and Alan Wilson. Dad from Raise Your Voice. Yeah. I don't know this man.

No. The parents were insignificant. I know I make mistakes. I live my life. By the way, have we ever put together that Raise Your Voice was directed by Shawn McNamera?

Yes. Yes, we have. Okay. I love him. We need the Shawn McNamera documentary. Everything Shawn McNamera has made is perfect.

It's very, very true. We've done this before, but I think we need to do it again.

I agree. Okay. Raise your voice. Of course. Bratz. Cody, we have to have him on the toast.

The Sweet Life movie. Okay. Oh, remember the movie Baby Geniuses? Oh, we loved that movie.

Yeah, he did that. Of course we did. That's like Oh, bring it on. Fight to the finish. I don't know that one.

Is that Sharks for Jets? No. Do you want to hear the funny and then wait also um Legally Blonde. Remember those two twins from Disney?

I like that. Yeah, he's like the go-to for like he's extremely decorated. He also did a couple of Casper movies. Oh, and then of course Bow Artist at War,

the Holocaust movie that we were doing ads for. Yes. Directed by Sean McNamera.

Yeah, that's why he's on my brain, who also did Bratz. Yeah. King King Range. Do you want to know something so funny? When um Olivia did the toast with me, we were talking about something about the Jets and I like made a joke, Sharks versus Jets. And she was like, "What's that?" And I was like, "Oh, this like bring it on where it's like Sharks versus Jets cheerleing."

Like an extremely current Bring It On. That's exactly what I said. Bring it on seven, whatever. Sharks versus Jets. So Claudia and I say everything Sharks versus Jets, but apparently Sharks versus Jets is from Westside Story.

Yes. Oh, you didn't know the original? Like No, now that sounds familiar, but like Bring It On Seven was referencing Westside Story.

Yes. Bring it on seven is like a modern adaptation of Westside Story. Not a lot of people don't see that, but it is.

It's like how Clueless is like Jane Austin. It's exactly like that. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

The Lion King is Hamlet. Correct. Bring it on. Seven is Westside Story. Yeah. Yeah.

So, that was funny that I learned that. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? Mhm.

Briana Chicken Fry went on Impulsive Podcast. She's actually making a lot of news from this podcast.

Yes. So, she's discussing Zack Bryan's new marriage and friendship dissolution with Grace,

which I literally like I'm I'm over Zach Bryan. Like I love what she did for us, like letting him know like we all know who he is. Like I don't need to hear from her on Zack Bryan. I feel like the more interesting thing is her relationship with Grace cuz like there was a twoe period where everyone on the planet was talking about them.

Yeah. and like their friendship breakup and there was everyone was team grace. Like that's when Brianna really became the villain. She was like riding this high of like being beloved by everyone after telling everyone about Zack Ryan, the $12 million, turning it down. Um, and then I think people also really understood like how her and Grace had started to drift apart. She was in this really toxic relationship and you probably weren't being like the best friend you could be. Um, and everyone took Grace's side in the friendship breakup. I feel like that was like bad for Brianna's Q score. Like everyone was loving her after the Zack Ryan thing and then it went completely downhill. I just want to say I was never like 100% team grace because I kind of saw and this is exactly what Briana said. Like she said when people started like speculating that there was beef between them and then really started to like send Briana a lot of

hate while Brianna was dealing with this abusive relationship that Grace knew about. Nobody knew about it but Grace did. Brianna was like can you tell like people to like [ __ ] off a little bit? Like this is a podcast that Brianna started that Briana made, you know, popular and then gave Grace a job at and then gave Grace a platform. People started to really like Grace. They were like, you know, like us, like a Jackie and Claudia, you're like a Grace or a Bri and like there are a lot of friendships that mimic that. And then she kind of like created this monster in Grace where like Grace was getting more hype and everybody loved Grace and when Briana was like really, you know, going through it, Brianna was like, "Can you just like tell everyone like we're good?" Like everyone's like

especially because they were they were like coming at Briana on Grace's behalf. It's like it's very easy to be like, "No, Bri and I are great. Like, please stop." And also, it was the fans of their show. It's not just like haters. Like, it was their own fans like turning on Bri for the sake of Grace. So, Grace could have been the the quickest way to end it and be like, "No, we're good. Like, please stop sending hate."

And Brianna said on this podcast that Grace like said no. Um, now I do give Grace a little grace because like she was so new. There's no easy way to navigate like what they like the Tik Tok drama. It became so big. There's no right way to navigate that. Maybe if you're like 5 10 years in this business, you know what to do. But she was literally a year into it. She was like unemployed before. No one knows how to handle it. So I give her a little bit of grace, but like she should have defended her friend. Especially when at that point her friend had done so much for her, like given her a job, gotten her a job at bar stool.

It feels like basic like friendship. Even if you're on the schoolyard, someone's bullying your friend, you say, "Hey, that's my friend." Like

it it feels like you don't have to be in this business for so long to just like and it's not like you're even putting yourself out there. Everyone loves you. All you just everyone loves us. All you have to say is like no like please stop. Bri and I are good. What you're saying is just unwarranted. That's it.

And then the interesting thing was was like I remember us talking about their friendship breakup and the podcast breakup being like this is so interesting cuz like the drama is so big but the podcast was not that big. Like it's very outsized. And when they both like split up and then it was like big drama that she went to unwell. Remember? I was like very interested to see if either of their individual projects were going to take off in a meaningful way because their shared project like wasn't even that big. It was just so crazy how big the drama came. I think it was like the Zack Ryan of it all. And now she does a podcast and it was like all the people who were like gassing up Grace weren't really doing it for Grace. I think they were doing it because they hated Briana because Grace's podcast I don't even know if they still do it. It wasn't like it wasn't like she had all these fans. It was like they really let

the internet come between them like in a in a real way. And I think they could have gotten past it, but then what Brianna said on this podcast, it's like, you know, they're home friends. They have like a whole group of friends outside of internet, people we don't know, like college friends, high school friends, hometown friends who like are getting married, like they still see each other out a lot. And she says Grace, she literally said Grace is evil. She said like Grace won't talk to me. She's telling everyone like she hates me when like Briana has said like maybe there was room to reconcile but Grace says like no. Um

and now Brianna says no. Yeah. No. Now like they're done. Says we will never be friends again.

And I think there was a period where like interviewers would like ask Brianna. Brianna does a lot of interviews. Grace doesn't. They were asking Briana like oh your friendship breakup and she was like very political about it. You know leaving room being like I just want what's best for Grace. Like we're not talking right now but like we're good.

Yeah. And now it's like I hate her, she hates me, she's evil, she thinks I'm evil. like it's bad.

The gloves are off. And I guess that was the catalyst for that was like them having, you know, interactions at like, you know, engagement parties, life things of your hometown friends. Um, that went really poorly.

Yeah. So, that's that on that. Like, it was kind of interesting though, like from a podcast perspective to see like uh people weren't comparing it at the time to like Call Her Daddy, right? Like the breaking up, but Call Her Daddy at that time was doing like a million downloads an episode. It was the biggest show in the world. It was on top of the charts on top of Joe Rogan. Like it was the biggest show in the world. So it

when the biggest show in the world breaks up, it's the biggest story in the world. This was just like two girls.

Yeah. But it became so big and it was like any of you even listen to the podcast. And I think that like the answer was no because both Br doesn't even have a podcast anymore. And I don't even know if Grace does.

Yeah. They ended BFFs. But I think still does plan plan B. Like I think solo. Yeah. I think in some capacity there is still plan B. Well, the drama was bigger than the show.

Grace doesn't still have a podcast. She might like I don't know. Okay. The point is that you don't know.

Correct. Um like I know she does standup, but like based on how people were just like gassing her up and like hating on Brianna, you would think that like she's out, you know?

Yeah. Well, a different lesson that I think you have to like learn the hard way and it's not something that's so clear is like to not let the internet like affect your real life. Yeah.

That's something that like more years of experience might have they might have known that. So,

I feel like maybe Briana knew it. Like, but Grace was so new and that's why I really can't fault her. Like,

and when everyone's like telling you that you're so great and Brianna's mean to you,

terrible and she's such a bad friend. Like, it's hard to not hear that. Um, and so maybe she believed it and that's why she didn't stand up for Bri because she believed it.

And Brianna now talks about it very openly. And I actually would love to hear Grace's POV. Like,

have we not? She went on Theo Vaughn, did she? But I think that was when they were still in the period of like

we're not friends. We might not ever be, but like we're good. It was like very civilized. And now something I think happened where like they hate each other

with home friends and like people against each other. That's such a weird dynamic and it's really sad to me. I remember when it happened I felt very sad about it. I don't feel as sad now cuz like now they're just grown women like Yeah. But it they just felt like like girls who like came into this world together and they

and like really grew up very very um regular like and this was like their big break and they could have been huge. It was a devastating story about how like the internet is so cruel.

Zach Bryan like and yes Bri wasn't a good friend and she chose him over Grace but like also she was young and impressionable

in an abusive relationship with a rock star going through her heart. So like I give her grace for that also

right? No, it was like a crazy saga. It was and it still is. And now they just like both operate in the internet sphere, which isn't like huge. And at their friends weddings as the two influencer friends who hate each other.

Well, honestly, it would have been sadder if one of them was booted from the hometown group. Like that would have been wrong, you know, if then suddenly Grace doesn't get invited to anyone's wedding.

It also makes you feel like not one of them is so clearly in the wrong because if they were like their other friends would have taken a side and been like, how could you do that?

Correct. That's a good point. So, it's just to hurt people hurting people. Yeah. I'm kind of ready for the Grace sit down. Like, Briana's been very open. I saw her on a red carpet also talking about it more like she doesn't give a [ __ ] anymore. I'm telling you something happened. Um, so I'd love to hear Grace's POV.

Yeah, this would be a good show, you know, like Tell Me Lies like two small town girls

who get into like influence. Wait, they should shop it. Maybe that's a project that brings them back together.

No, further apart cuz it's like more fame. Oh, yeah. No, but it's also like are we telling your version or mine

story like Ashley Tisdale or stuff? But the concept and then like one of them starts dating like John Mayer, you know like

I love that. And then it comes between them and the show and the tell me lies people should do it.

It's like a combination like tell me lies. Nobody wants that. I was going to say that

I want to say like Anna Delvie because that just started as a story that got picked up. Just a free idea. I don't have the time to do it because like I have a lot going on,

but I would watch it. We have the time to watch it, not to make it. Yeah. And support it. And if you guys like want to

bounce any ideas off me, like I'm around for that, but beyond that, I can't participate.

Free idea. Free idea. Don't call me. Seriously, don't call me. I will. And that goes for everyone.

People will never pick up your call. Except me, obviously. Oh, no. You FaceTime is like,

yeah, family members. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. FaceTime is good. other people. Like seriously, do not call me

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How old is she? She is younger. Unclear. 32 and he is 62. That's really yucky. Especially when you have like daughters around that age. Yeah.

Um I literally hate Masimo consulting on his new line. Sure. Um she doesn't look like she's dressed as a consultant. Like

she looks like she's like having morning after coffee with her man. Like imagine fumbling Lorie Laughlin. Like imagine Lorie Laughlin like taking the L for you and your family. I just I like I think he's disgusting.

And like fumbling your family. Like what a family. She literally looks like she'd be friends with like Olivia.

Mhm. I can't lie. Like, he's extremely good-looking. Mhm. He kind of looks like David Beckham, don't you think? Look at that picture.

Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, little bit. I'm just not here for it. Definitely candidate for weenie of the week. Um, go home to your family and stop it.

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Of course. Of course. So, I hope she continues. Actually, at this rate, though, like she doesn't need like a stable. She just needs to have fun.

Yeah. Whatever. Let her hair down. Lori wants, you know, maybe like Jacob has like a friend for her.

That's what she needs. Her and Olivia be going on like double dates. Okay. Our fifth and final story is Tell Me Lies recap. So, the Tell Me Lies creator is diving into the finale and explaining why the show is ending. She said, "We couldn't [ __ ] it up." Yeah. So Megan Oppenheimer, who's the creator of Tell Me Lies, gave an interview explaining why this season is the final season.

And I like how they dropped it like the day before. It's not like we were waiting all that's kind of better. Like that was clearly an intentional choice. One I was confused by, but ultimately I I like

and it also help if we knew that this was the last episode like coming up. We would know that things are almost over. It would almost be a spoiler that like oh we're not getting more weddings. Like knowing that it was like, "Oh, okay. So, this wraps this up." Like I we were even talking about it how there's going to be a second half of second semester, but no, like second semester is over. Like we learned a lot in knowing that this series was ending. So, she said, "I went into this season saying we're going to wrap things up and give a satisfying ending and then see what happens. I always felt like three seasons was a perfect number. I always knew that I wanted the final downfall in college to culminate with whatever happens at the end of the wedding weekend." Yeah, the last episode was so crazy. Now, I watched the two of them back toback, so some of it like is going to I don't remember what was in the finale, but

spoilers from here on out. So, let's talk about the ending. people are interpreting it one of two ways and to me there's like literally only one way but so you know she gets in the car with him like gh and they stop for coffee and he literally abandons her on the side of the road and she the show ends with her laughing

and a lot of people like myself I was like well of course like he disappointed you one last time but at this point like you've hung on for so long he's actually not interested anymore and like jokes on you like of course she got in the car now other people are like well no why she was laughing was because she's finally free. She lets Steven think that he is choosing to get away. Kind of how like Diana did it. Like D, you have to That's what the advice Diana gave Lucy is like to unravel yourself from Steven, it has to you have to make him think it's his idea.

Yeah. Cuz like if you reject him, he's such a narcissistic egoomaniac. He will lash out and you will never be free of him because he'll always wanting to be punish you. As opposed to if he thinks it's his idea, then

that's how Diana got out. He moves on from you cuz he's over you. Now, to give Lucy that much credit, like you guys have not been watching the show. I mean, there's no way in the world that she thought this through because, you know, when Diana gave her that advice, she wasn't even listening. Like, this is a girl who time after time, even as of this morning, had sex with him. Now, maybe you could say that was all a part of her plan. I don't think so.

No, she's never had one good plan. We saw it with when she was trying to get the tape back.

OH MY GOD. Going to the Yale thing. I was shaking my TV. Girl, get out. Oh my god. And still, it has not occurred to this girl that she can transfer. She's guiltricken with guilt. She's sick. What she could do for herself is tell everyone the truth and say, "I'm transferring

before they have a chance to ruin her life and get feel so terrible." Like, I'm literally watching this girl come. I'm like, you could just all of your problems go away if you transfer. You didn't kill anyone. Nothing that you've done is a crime that will hold you outside of Bair. Just leave. So, when she was going to study abroad, I'm like, at least that's better. She needs a break, but like she ca she needs a break from Bri because she did really hurt her. And you can't have a true friendship with someone. I know she doesn't want to tell Bri because she doesn't want to upset her. Um, but like you can't have a true friendship with someone when you are harboring the secret. So, even though it would be selfish to tell Bri because it's like you're unburdening yourself,

you need a tabularasa. So, yes, I found the finale a little frustrating just because it felt a little bit rushed. Like, I do think it was a good ending, a perfect ending. And for people who want to give Lucy the benefit of the doubt, like there is a version, sure, think that that's not what happened. That's not why she was laughing.

Also, I think maybe it was, but like then there's a loose end of the fact that she like walked out on her friends. Brie said like, "If you leave now, there's no chance for us. This is your last chance to not make a choice." That's completely embarrassing. And so even though maybe she got rid of Stephen, like she has nothing too, right? She doesn't have Bri, she doesn't have her friends because they all think that she's a doormat again.

So there there were like just a couple of random jumps. It felt a little rushed. Like we never understood how and why Lucy was dating the bartender at the wedding.

Yeah. Like that was such a random thing. Especially because like now she got expelled. She's not going to see him.

Of course, she's not going back to that town, right? And then also like that whole um professor intervention

that was weird. That was so weird. Maybe it was like fueling Bri being in a really bad mental state to make the decision to release the tape which was a great plot twist

and being in a bad mental state to take Evan back like all the disruption in her life and Evan and it's like

Evan you would think it's like Bri and Wrigley are you know having an affair and it's like what about Evan? like he all he's guilty of is like loving her, but then they turned him evil too by like having him try and get inside her head. And the thing is his plan didn't work. She wasn't destabilized because her mom came drunk. She was destabilized because Wrigley had sex with Pippa and that's why she went back to Evan. So like he did all this for nothing.

Well, Wrigley and Pippa Wrigley and Bri ending up together. Like we won. Yes. But I have a couple things to say about that. Like first of all, the fact that their or origin story is just like this photography class and a kiss and a musty kiss.

I agree. And then they're holding on to that for years when they finally get back together, it just doesn't feel like enough of like an anchor of like forbidden love. However, if things had worked out for them and like they were able to let the dust settle and then start dating a few months later, I think all the, you know, the shock from like Pippa and Evan, like all of that would have clouded their potential to have a relationship. They really couldn't have embarked on a relationship in a timely manner in college. So, they had to have this gap. But then when they finally get back together again in Evan's parents house at the engagement party, like it's another like we never got like a party romantic moment for them. First of all, they have the same hair.

Second of all, why does Wrigley look like a mess with that wig? Okay, the wig. Why did they have him look a mess?

The wig. And he should be wearing a wig in college and then be like handsome, clean shaven Wriggley at in the future. I want like he looks like a disaster and I remember from the first episode like he was having a hard time at the engagement party and they said it was because it was the anniversary of his brother death but now we realize it's cuz the girl that he loves is getting married to someone else but like he doesn't seem like he really got it together after college. Does he have a job?

No, I know. So it's like that's who Bri ended up with. But she was like looking for that stability that that you know stable force for and that's why Evan was so great.

Yeah. But they had to make Evan a villain so that we don't feel bad that she's cheating on him.

Yeah. I just also a criticism I have of the finale was like they kind of made levity of everything you know like this was like a serious show like he low-key killed someone he was an abuser like and why was he invited to the wedding

yeah why did Ev like Bri you can't tell Ev even if bre stayed friends like Bri you you have no control over who's invited to your wedding I know she said it was like Evan's parents but like you're inviting him and Lucy to your wedding

and like why did they need to go through all that for Lucy to be free like was she not free when they broke up

and she got kicked out of college kicked out of college and he was going to law school

yeah and sort of had the last laugh like she was completely destroyed. Best part of the show when they were like

who would send Yale admissions about and then they cut to Wrigley walking down cuz I was like who?

But it also it made like just girls in general look so stupid because it's like Lucy, Diana, and Pippa are like racking their brains of how do we get back at Steven? How do we make him suffer? They literally go to Wrigley and in two seconds like he like has an appropriate reaction and plan for how to destabilize Stephen. The girls don't look so good.

Yeah. Where is the Emmy for some of these actors? Like Lucy at at the scene in the dean's office. Like that was A+ acting. Bri was like really Has the show ever been nominated for an Emmy or anything? Like

I know it should be. And I think Lucy is really an amazing and of course Steven because apparently he's like a good quarter.

I'm sure he is. But Lucy just like is like she's the ball of anxiety. And then also they kept alluding to like things getting really bad for Lucy sophomore year. I was waiting for her to like have some sort of episode.

Well, it it was an episode. Yeah, she got expelled. She's got expelled. She's forgetting things. She's having like nightmares.

Whatever happened with Lydia? Like so many sort of like loose ends. Well, they could have dragged it out so we see Lucy go home and have a mental breakdown and go into

Why did they even show us her mom? Her mom was such a big part of the first season.

Yeah. Go into They probably didn't want to pay her for this season, right? Go into a mental stuck

an extra in the front seat. Yeah. Like we probably like she probably has to like get help. Mhm.

Does she go to another college? Yeah. It was nice to see that like Diana and Pippa clearly worked it out.

Yeah. Um and like but they were in a new relationship so they weren't together these six years cuz honestly if they were they probably would have broken up,

right? So they made their way back to one another, you know? But it was nice when they were like, "Should we get out of here?" Like they're still And that was like the theme with them. Like they really both pretty much stayed out of it. Like they realized how crazy these people were. Oh, the scene where they both did. No, they didn't. Like Pippa really took it upon herself to make sure Steven paid the price. She would not let it go. Everyone knew Steven's a bad guy, but Pippa was the only one who was like, "Why are we letting him get away with this?"

Yeah. Also, the scene where she she tells um Pippa tells Lucy that she's cheated on Wrigley for the last couple of weeks. And then it was like, "Oh, I guess we're sharing." Lucy shares about Evan and Pippa's like, "Get the [ __ ] out of here. He's disgusting." Like, that was really sad. That was really sad.

And like I feel Pippa, but like they are both guilty of the same crime. It and Lucy's is a little worse like lying to her best friend. Um but to act like you're so morally superior. You're not like that much greater.

Yeah. Especially cuz like then you lied like you made Wrigley feel like [ __ ] and lied to him and then you correct and then you only corrected it because you didn't want to be as disgusting as Lucy,

right? So you should thank Lucy for showing you how to be a better person, right? Um, that was sad, but we had to see Lucy like really hit rock bottom.

Yeah. I don't know. Like the last scene at the wedding, like Steven's speech, like didn't give me that like feeling just because like it was so light.

I really thought a chandelier was about to fall on. Oh, no. I thought when they got into a car, it was going to be like the show started with that car crash with Macy. They get into the car. They were obviously drinking. It was 3:00 in the morning. Um, and like they get into an accident and either like he leaves Lucy there or Lucy leaves him there, like something sort of poetic. No, he just left her on the side of the road. The purse on the floor was hysterical.

That would have been good to have like a car symbol. That's what I thought. Um, no. I really thought he was about to die. I'm like, wait, this is this is what we said.

Yeah. He needs to die. Yeah. And this I get it was just like funny and jokey when the whole time it was like not a funny jokey show.

Yeah. Like when Wrigley and Bri like looked at each other with But it's also like six years out like all that stuff when you're in it feels like like feels so serious. And even for Lucy, like what was happening to her was so horrible. But again, if she just left the environment and went everywhere else, like it's over. And I think that's also the point is like at in the moment like everything these feel like the only three people on Earth, these three guys and these three girls, and then like it's six years and it's a big world and it's like it's like a joke, you know?

Oh, and I mean it's crazy that Evan and Bri actually got married and they're going to have to get an old, right?

Um but for everyone else it's like, oh, there's a whole world out there, right? And like as much as all these people have grown up, like Steven is able to get under their skin in three seconds. Like

yeah, I don't know why Lucy even engaged with why she was even struggling with Steven at the party cuz it seems like after sophomore year felt like it's over.

So So and how many years later? Six years, right? 2009 to 2015. Okay. So why is the whole wedding engagement and the bachelorette? Remember those episodes too? They were at like a bachelor the joint bachelor bachelorette party. Oh yeah.

Like taunting her still. Like why is she struggling so much? So she has to extricate herself again. So now when Bri and Wrigley get married, she's have to do it again.

Yeah. I just want to like I aim one day to be as delusional as the people who think that like she extradited herself on purpose and got left on the side of the road and her plan worked. Like you have you not been watching the show.

She could have also not gone to the wedding. If you're really like healed and healed

and I don't think her and Bri are that close. It was like the kind of that friend you have in your bridal party. if you are inviting this person to your wedding like I love you but I can't come

I can't come and like that person would and then Bri would go to Evan and say Stephen can't like it's very that's how actual real friendships would work like invite someone's like abusive ex

I don't think Bri and Lucy like were even that close over the six years I think it's like you know you make someone your because like they were my college roommate like I don't think that they were even that close so like it was

but they were close sophomore year yes know it was like a special friendship that like had potential to be sisterhood.

Yeah. But then but it couldn't never be because Lucy was hiding the secret and then Bri was hiding a bigger one. I would say

I would say as well. And the greatest line was like, "You have the opportunity right now for the first time in your life to make a decision that isn't totally [ __ ] embarrassing."

Yeah. Every decision this girl made was the Yale. I was clenching my rooting for her. Like she's also the villain of the show. And they said that last season. No, because she makes so many bad choices.

Yeah. She's not the villain of but she's very hard to root for. But like you have to keep reminding yourself that like she's literally 18 and being abused by like one of the most so like sociopathic people on the planet. So you have to keep reminding yourself of that

errors are unforced errors. Yeah. Yeah. She got away by the way. No, but also I don't know what Stephen was going to do.

Initially made the lie about Chris and said it was her. Yeah. Being like a justice warrior.

Nobody asked her to do that. But then that also made her relationship with Pippa like really complicated. So like part of you also wants to shake Pippa being like Lucy like she's insanely dumb, but she did all of it in earnest like to protect you and like to fight on your behalf.

Yeah. So then like like she gets expelled and like it's like people didn't even show up to pack her bags.

Yeah. It was a RA. I don't know. I don't know. Crazy. Crazy. Very good show. Very good. I wonder what was happened in the book.

I know. I'm good. No, I just I'm curious like sound off in the comments. What was the book about?

I guess like the big reveal was that like Bri was the one who released the tape.

Does that happen in the book? I guess. Is there a tape in the book? I could see the book being like Lucy experienced this like life shattering thing in college where her ex-boyfriend released this like revenge tape and then she goes to the wedding to see him for the first time and it's all about that and then she comes to find that like it was actually her best friend Bray.

Oh, interesting. Like that could be a really good plot twist there because I feel like the book was about like

college Macy, you know, the first season was more in the book. Did Bri and end up together at the end of the book?

I don't know. Like let us know. Sound up in the comments. Right. Is the three seasons like the book or was like season one the book and then they like made it more

stuff. But even if they added it afterwards, they really And I would love to watch the early episodes again now to see if

Yes, I was thinking that too. Bread between Bri and Wriggley is there. But no, jolly good job except for the wigs and the hair. The wriggly wig is so weird.

The wiggly. The wiggly. I like that. Um, well, that's tell me lies. That's a season rap on tell me lies.

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Who speaks in "The Wayward Women of Hollywood: Wednesday, February 18th, 2026"?

Jackson Claude (Host), Claudia (Guest), Paul Salem (Guest), Nicole Kidman (Guest), Megan Oppenheimer (Guest), Tur (Guest), Tell Me Lies recap (Guest).

What is "The Wayward Women of Hollywood: Wednesday, February 18th, 2026" about?

A lively morning talk segment centers on pop culture, branding a new “weward women of Hollywood” concept and highlighting a playful tension between hosts as they discuss romantic rumors and the rule of business-minded stability in celebrity relationships. It notes the ongoing dynamic among the hosts, the new segment about a “businessman of the week,” and clarifies the rumor surrounding Paul…

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The episode runs 1 h 9 min; the transcript is about 16,075 words in 371 timestamped sections.

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