"Apostle" David E Taylor is Going Down in Flames

What this episode is about

The main topic centers on the recent arrest of self-proclaimed apostle David E. Taylor and his associate Michelle, following an FBI raid on their ministry properties, as they face serious charges including forced labor, money laundering, and potential human trafficking. The discussion reflects on Taylor's previous notorious deposition, where he infamously deferred many questions to Michelle, revealing troubling patterns in how vulnerable individuals like Deborah Frasier were exploited for their finances.

Key takeaways

• When your best response to a crucial question is, 'ask Michelle,' you might be in deep trouble.
• David E. Taylor's ministry: where faith meets financial exploitation—because miracles are way cheaper than medical bills.
• A $1.1 million donation from a mentally ill woman? A tragic reminder that not all ministries have a moral compass.
• Forget walking on water; throwing away wheelchairs is the new miracle craze in this televangelist's playbook.
• If unsolicited donation pressure feels like a devil's scheme, it might just be David E. Taylor's Sunday service.

Who speaks in this episode?

• Michelle (Guest)
• David E. Taylor (Guest)

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 5:00: David E. Taylor, Lacy Michelle, Deborah Frasier
2. 5:00 – 10:00: David E. Taylor, Lacy Michelle
3. 10:00 – 15:00: David E. Taylor, Lacy Michelle
4. 15:00 – 20:00: David E. Taylor, Lacy Michelle, Joshua Media Ministries International, Kingdom of God Global Church
5. 20:00 – 22:27: David E. Taylor, Kingdom of God Global Church, Lacy Michelle

Notable quotes from ""Apostle" David E Taylor is Going Down in Flames"

• Michelle. I did three episodes about the deposition on this channel six years ago. Well, five days ago, the FBI raided multiple properties owned by David E.

  about David E. Taylor · at 0:52

• Delusions and significant mental illness. They allowed her to donate all of her money. She had $1.1 million in the bank and owned her house outright.

  about Deborah Frasier · at 2:08

• And jelly diet for 21 days. And with these allegations, there's a bunch of text messages from David E. Taylor to Michelle saying they're only at six grand in 5 hours. This is…

  about Lacy Michelle · at 8:00

• Going, Who's on the board? It used to be the ministry called JMMI, Joshua Media Ministries International, and he changed it recently to Kingdom of God Global Church.

  about Kingdom of God Global Church · at 18:23

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• David E. Taylor — Person · Primary subject (referenced religious leader / alleged cult leader) · 17 mentions · first at 0:30
  Central figure discussed: a self-proclaimed apostle whose ministry is alleged to have run forced-labor call centers and engaged in financial crimes; his deposition behavior (“ask Michelle”) is a key narrative anchor.
• Lacy Michelle — Person · Key associate / operational gatekeeper (referenced) · 13 mentions · first at 0:03
  Portrayed as David E. Taylor’s top lieutenant and the person he deflects questions to; also arrested and implicated in alleged forced-labor management via texts and deposition testimony.
• Deborah Frasier — Person · Referenced donor / litigated party (victim figure in prior case) · 3 mentions · first at 2:02
  Her alleged donation of $1.1M and mental-health context are presented as the catalyst for the lawsuit that produced the ‘Axe Michelle’ deposition, illustrating the ministry’s fundraising practices.

Companies & orgs

• Kingdom of God Global Church — Company · Business focus · 2 mentions · first at 18:32
  Current name of David E. Taylor's ministry, central to the allegations of forced labor and money laundering
• Joshua Media Ministries International — Company · Business focus · 2 mentions · first at 18:23
  Former name of David E. Taylor's ministry, involved in alleged financial and labor abuses
  The board. I think he just doesn't want to get people in trouble. So, she's going, Who's on the board? It used to be the ministry called JMMI, Joshua Media Ministries…

Full transcript with timestamps

0:00 Uh, I actually don't know my address. Uh, I would ask Michelle. She's in charge of knowing my address. Uh, I do know some things, but for that specifically, I would just go ahead and ask Michelle. Well, well, well. Folks, remember self-proclaimed apostle and scam preacher David E. Taylor from the infamous AxeMelle deposition here on YouTube? It has to be the most embarrassing and hilarious deposition on all of the internet. It has a cult following for how ridiculous it is, for just how stupid David E. Taylor comes across, and for how many questions he answers by recommending they ask Michelle. I did three episodes about the deposition on this channel six years ago. Well, five days ago, the FBI raided multiple properties owned by David E.

1:04 Taylor's ministry all over the nation. They arrested David E. Taylor. They arrested Michelle, the infamous Michelle. I guess in a way they finally asked Michelle to put her hands behind her back. But still, here we are 5 days after the arrest. They're still both being held in jail without bond. They're facing 10 counts right now. I would guess there's going to be more added related to forced labor and money laundering. And it sounds like some human trafficking charges are going to be added to those. So, first I want to talk about these recent allegations and then now that a clearer picture is forming on their whole operation. This story is definitely now one for the books. I want to go back and talk about the case that led to the infamous Axe Michelle deposition. That case is wild, too. They allowed a woman, Deborah Frasier, who had been diagnosed with delusions and significant mental illness. They allowed her to donate all

2:15 of her money. She had $1.1 million in the bank and owned her house outright. And within a year, they allow allowed her to donate all of her money. And she had to remortgage her house. And they said during the deposition, it seemed like with the way things were going, she was going to end up homeless. So, that's wild, too. But let's talk about these recent dep um let's talk about the recent allegations. So, the forced labor allegations come from these call centers that they run all over the nation. I think there's nine or 10 of them. I've actually called the call center a couple times over the years, so I'll tell you that story, but let me set it up first. So, when David E. Taylor does the big TV service that he does with the cheesy wannabe, expensive backdrops and the goal is just to get on as many channels in as many countries. They stream it live online. It's all terror and fear motivated. We're going to be nuked by

3:16 Russia. I had a dream the nukes were coming. If you don't make a generous offering to our ministry, you're going to get nuked. Fearer terror. David E. Taylor claims that he has met Jesus face to face a thousand times. He claims that he's Jesus Christ's best friend, not just acquaintance. Yeah, we've run into each other. He's cool. Not just friend. Yeah, we're buds, you know. I don't know. He claims he's his best friend. David E. Taylor claims he's cured cancer blindness AIDS, people that couldn't walk or in a wheelchair. He's claimed that they can walk now. There's always a big pile of wheelchairs and walkers up on the stage as if he healed people and they just walked out looking good, feeling good, and I don't even need my wheelchair anymore. Leave it on the stage.

4:13 Sometimes he dramatically picks up a walker and throws it across the stage. You will be healed. He's told people, I mean, it's just shamelessly evil. He's told people, "Why would you give your doctor money for cancer treatment and chemo treatment when you could give us your money?" He's claimed that if you make an offering, a donation to his ministry, you'll start losing weight. The weight will fall off. There was a story about a guy that called in and he made a generous offering and he woke up the next day and his pants fell down. He had lost so much weight. But during these ridiculous services that he does, they're 4 hours long. He has warm-up preachers come out before him and they all bring up this phone number every 5 to 10 minutes. Call this number for a prayer. Call this number to make a generous offering. If you want to be blessed financially, you have to make a sacrifice and a big donation. It's like,

5:17 all right, so you have I have to give you my money and then I just have to hope this miracle, financial miracle is going to happen to me. Why don't I just keep my money and you hope for the financial miracle? But it's all about the more generous you are. It's going to come back to you. Donate all of your money.

5:37 Someone just had a visitation from Jesus in heaven and he took them to hell and showed many people in hell. I'm talking about Christians who didn't pay their tithes.

5:48 Too many pe times people get fickle funny about their money. They're like, "Oh man, okay, there it goes." You get uncomfortable. That's a devil. If you get any kind of uncomfortable, you feel any kind of squirming in you, it's a devil. You need to rebuke it and keep going cuz he's trying to keep you from your blessing. So right now, we're giving you an opportunity to come forward and give an offering unto God, unto the most high. And you need to just trust in him no matter what happens that it's going into the best most integral place on earth, God's kingdom. And it will be used. As you can even see, look around. Everything is used for the kingdom. Everything is used to reach reach souls. You have a part in that. So put your offering in and let it be sacrificial. Don't be stingy to God cuz he ain't stingy with us. If you feel uncomfortable, I'm sorry. I don't care.

6:35 You better shake that devil loose and you better put something down in the offering because it's for you, not for us. And every single person, the

6:43 Lord spoke to me that there are 200 that can give $10,000. I need 200 of you to sew a $10,000 seed. Then he told me there was another 200 or more that can give 10,000 over a period of time. But he told me there was 200 that can give 10,000 now which we need that

7:06 make an offering. But the number over and over again call this number for a prayer to make a donation. Well the number goes to these call centers and the allegations have come out that the people working in the call centers he calls armorbearers. They're pretty much just slaves. They don't get paid. They work for free and the allegations are they have unbelievable goals that they're supposed to meet in donations. And if they don't meet these goals, they get their food taken away. They they don't get to stop working. They might have to work till 4 in the morning. They might have to work all night long. They might get their bed taken away. They might have to go as punishment for not meeting the donation goal. They have to be on a peanut butter and jelly diet for 21 days. And with these allegations, there's a bunch of text messages from David E. Taylor to Michelle saying they're only at six

8:11 grand in 5 hours. This is supposed to be a donation marathon. Tell them nobody eats and nobody sleeps until they turn this around. Take their bed away. There's a story where they just someone that wasn't cutting the mustard, they just drove him to a homeless shelter and kicked him out. Yeah. Get out of here. And on um the day that they were arrested, they the news interviewed this guy that works next to their big giant campus building. It looks like a huge hotel. Has a massive humongous green grass lawn out front. And they interviewed this guy that worked next to that big ministry campus. And he was saying one day he saw this poor bastard mowing the gigantic green lawn with a single just push mower. And he was saying it's big enough. You need a riding mower to do it. Like a professional landscaping riding lawnmower to do it. And he felt so bad for the person. and he waved him down, was like, "Hey man, you want a water or

9:20 something? You're mowing the whole thing with just a push mower." And the person didn't want to say anything and kind of like refused the water. So the forced labor is they aren't paid. Their sleep is restricted if they don't meet the goals. Their food is restricted if they don't meet the goals. One job, two of these armor bearers, I think this is where the human trafficking charges will come. The allegation is that they were tasked with trafficking women to David Taylor, wherever David Taylor was, and they were the women that were being trafficked to David were supposed to take PlanB emergency contraceptive before they got there.

10:03 I mean, imagine showing up and that fat, sweaty slug wearing a velvet Versace suit is there when you get there. I mean, gross. But anyway, so during COVID lockdown, I started hate watching David E. Taylor's services on his YouTube channel and I kept seeing the number. Call this for prayer. Call this. And I'm watching. It was probably midnight and I was thinking, I wonder if I called the number right now if someone would pick up because I used to work in a call center for a mortgage servicing company years and years ago. So, I kind of know how the whole thing works. And I was thinking if somebody picks up at midnight, that means they have someone on the phones maybe 247. It's not just Yeah. like during the service when the service is live, the call center's up and running or for a few hours a couple times a week or just during normal business hours. If someone picks up now at midnight, this is like a real deal

11:08 operation to have that many people and to I was thinking if they're paying people, they weren't forcing them to work for free. And so I thought, you know what? I'm going to see if someone picks up at midnight. So I call the number thinking it's just going to ring or I'll get a message saying please call back during business hours. And someone picked up and I was surprised and I didn't have any desire to mess with them or anything. So I just hung up. I'm sitting there thinking, man, that's a serious operation to have someone on the phones on at midnight on a random night. A service wasn't happening. Nothing was going on with his channel or it wasn't one of his big crusades or anything. That's really something. And then all of a sudden, my phone rang and it's them. And I was like, whoa. And so I picked it up and it was the two times I've called, both really nice. I would say even charismatic, seemed intelligent. Like if

12:05 you listen to David E. Taylor talk for five minutes. It's like this guy's kind of an idiot. I don't see it. I don't see the charisma of other cult leaders. I He's not really making good points. But these people, they didn't sound like a crackhead or an idiot that didn't have any that got tricked into doing this. It sounded like a normal person that could be successful at whatever they wanted to do. and they definitely wanted me to give them that my information and I just said no I'm curious and got off the phone pretty quick. So that was 5 years ago. 5 days ago when I saw on the news David E. Taylor and Michelle have been arrested. The call centers forced labor all of this. I was thinking I it was 5 hours after they had been arrested and I was thinking I wonder what's going on with the call centers.

13:00 If I call right now, is it just going to ring ring the is the whole thing blown up? I was curious. So, I dialed the number again once again that someone picked up and I was like, is this is this an a real person or like an AI answering bot thing? And she laughed and she goes, "No, this is a real person. I know how it is these days. Sometimes you're talking to an electronic robot." And I said, "Yeah." And I didn't have like journal uh journalist energy or prank call energy. I was just really nice. And I said, "I've been watching David E. Taylor's um YouTube channel for like five, six years." And I saw on the news today that David and Michelle were arrested for forced labor and money laundering. And she goes, "Oh, I I haven't seen that."

13:54 And really nice. I go, "Oh, come on. You didn't see that? That Come on. You had to have heard. It's David E. Taylor and Michelle. They're the top two. You had to have heard they were arrested by the FBI. Big raid over multiple states." and she goes, "No, I haven't heard of that. I don't watch the news." And she was really charismatic and friendly the whole time, but in that one part, she it sounded a little culty when she goes, "I don't watch the news." And she recommended that I don't watch the news. And she's asking me for my information and I basically said, "Nah, it's all right. I just watch the YouTube channel." And the last thing I said, I go "Well listen these call centers, it's saying on the news that you guys are treated really poorly where if you don't meet the the donation goal, you have to eat peanut butter and jelly sandwiches for 21 days straight." And she laughed. She goes,

14:50 "No, no, that's not how it is." And I said, "Your sleep gets taken away." And she was trying to laugh it off, but I could tell she knew what I was talking about. And I just ended it by with saying, "Listen, you sound like a really nice woman and if you're getting treated like this, you got to get out of there." And she was like, "No, I trust me. I am here. I want to be here and this is what I want to do and I don't know what you're talking about." And I was like, "All right, well, I just hope nothing but the best for you." And she said, "Well, thank you so much." and I got off the phone, but the apparently the call centers are still going. If you do call, don't be mean to them. These people are basically slaves that are in a cult and they probably haven't slept um and for a while and are eating peanut butter and jelly. So, be nice to them if you do call or maybe just don't call and let them just have a nice relaxing

15:49 afternoon. But I thought that was really interesting. So, let me see if there's anything else about this forced labor. I wonder what's going to happen to them now. Someone's still running the YouTube channel. They they put on an old service as of this morning. They were running one live. The call centers are still going. But anyway, I got eight minutes left. I got to talk to um I want to talk about now, let's go back to the infamous Axe Michelle deposition. So, that deposition comes from a couple was getting a divorce and the husband was suing the ex-wife Deborah Frasier because it came out, like I said earlier, she had given $1.1 million to the church in just one year.

16:41 And I think the lawsuit was to eventually it was a court order. she wasn't allowed to give any more money to the church. She they the court stopped the husband's child uh support payments to her. They said don't give her any more money cuz she just gives it over to David E. Taylor. And so as part of that lawsuit, David E. Taylor and Michelle get deposed and they have to come in and their whole operation probably as much as any operation in the nation was not even close to ready to stand up to a deposition. And so they're asked first David E. Aaylor goes and he answers a hilarious amount of the questions as uh yeah, I don't know.

17:37 You're just going to have to ask Michelle. And the lawyer Colleen's going, "What do you mean you don't know? Why wouldn't you know that? You're the top guy." And uh yeah, I if you could just ask Michelle. Well, then two years ago, Michelle's deposition ended up on YouTube. So, you can watch all of Michelle's hours and hours of deposition. So, David E. Taylor recommends they ask Michelle. Michelle recommends they ask Ashley. And Ashley can't be deposed because she's bedridden because she's pregnant. And some of the hilarious parts of that come out during the deposition.

18:17 David E. Taylor, he has no idea who's on the board. I think he just doesn't want to get people in trouble. So, she's going, "Who's on the board?" It used to be the ministry called JMMI, Joshua Media Ministries International, and he changed it recently to Kingdom of God Global Church. And so she's asking him, "Who's on the board of JMI?" It was JMI back then. He's going, "Uh, I actually don't know who is on the board. Uh you you could ask Michelle, "How do you not know who's on the board of your ministry?" Uh yeah, I just don't want uh to be wrong. And it comes out during Michelle's deposition that the board was David E. Taylor, Michelle, and David E.

19:10 Taylor's parents. Not It's real hard, right, David? And then so they own a bunch of different properties. So what it seems like happens is they get a boatload of money donated. From 2014 till the arrest 5 days ago, they took in $50 million in donations. Think about that. And what it seems like they do is so the donations comes in, David E. Taylor buys a mansion and then leases the mansion to his own ministry. So he gets rent from the ministry. So for tax reasons, I'm sure it he doesn't have to pay anything because it's his church and their tax exempt. So the the church that he owns to make the money, he gets the money. He buys a property and then leases it to the to the church and they're not using the proper they're not using these properties for what they're zoned for. Like there's one story that comes out during the deposition that they buy this huge house in a neighborhood and it's zoned for

20:28 residential, but they use it for a call center and then the neighborhood is furious. Think about you buy a big house, your dream house in a nice neighborhood. We finally did it. We bought our dream house. I can't wait to get into the quaint neighborhood and live around other families just like us and have the picturesque neighborhood experience and then you're the house next to you. There's just a bunch of malnourished sleepdeprived emotionally abused call center workers milling around. What the hell is going on over there? But it's clear in the deposition he's hiding properties.

21:11 Um, at one point she goes, "What's the what's the address to that one property on on Victory Lane?" And he's going, "Uh, yeah, I think it's a 2022 23." And she knew already. She goes, "Is it 1,400?" And he goes, "Oh, yeah. That's that's the address." So, it's clear they're trying to hide properties from the IRS. They're using properties for other things than they're zoned for. And let me see, do I have anything else? Oh, yeah. David E. Taylor. He gets like $28,000 salary a year from the church, but then he donates more than he makes salary back to the church a year. None of it makes sense.

21:59 Um, but yeah, it's going to be really interesting to see what charges are added. The human trafficking charges, they're still in jail without bond, which that to me, it's a pretty serious case. So, we're going to follow it. I love you all. I'm gonna cut it off there. Why? Sting Y. Sha, uh, if you could just ask Michelle.

Questions about this episode

Who speaks in ""Apostle" David E Taylor is Going Down in Flames"?

Michelle (Guest), David E. Taylor (Guest).

What is ""Apostle" David E Taylor is Going Down in Flames" about?

The main topic centers on the recent arrest of self-proclaimed apostle David E. Taylor and his associate Michelle, following an FBI raid on their ministry properties, as they face serious charges including forced labor, money laundering, and potential human trafficking. The discussion reflects on Taylor's previous notorious deposition, where he infamously deferred many questions to Michelle,…

What is mentioned in this TRUE CRIME Loser episode?

5 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including David E. Taylor, Lacy Michelle, Kingdom of God Global Church, Joshua Media Ministries International, Deborah Frasier. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is ""Apostle" David E Taylor is Going Down in Flames"?

The episode runs 22 min; the transcript is about 3,530 words in 27 timestamped sections.

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