Crappy Hour 1/5/26: Catty Cults

Who speaks in this episode?

• Shannon Bador (Guest)
• Mo [Surname], e.g., Mo [LastName] (full identifying context needed) (Guest)

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 10:00: Ashley Tisdale, Steve Gutenberg, Steve Guttenberg, Shannon Bador
2. 10:00 – 20:00: Beverly Hills, Mary Cosby, New Year, Vanderpump Rules
3. 20:00 – 30:00: Mary Cosby, Mauricio, Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Kyle Richards
4. 30:00 – 40:00: St. Barts, St. Barts, Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Bethenny Frankel
5. 40:00 – 50:00: Beverly Hills, Grace Lily, Circle K, Crystal Kung Minkov
6. 50:00 – 1:00:00: Wicked, New Year, Meredith Marx, Meredith Marx
7. 1:00:00 – 1:00:56: New Year, Airbnb

Notable quotes from "Crappy Hour 1/5/26: Catty Cults"

• Yeah. For those of you who don't know what Ben's talking about, Ashley Tisdale just came out with a bombshell article about being very upset about what transpired in her mom group. So, who's in this mom group? Megan Trainer. First.

  about Ashley Tisdale · at 1:12

• Remember they had that show on Bravo about the moms?

  about Real Housewives of Salt Lake City · at 2:53

• I'm just trying. I said, Well, they all look fine. You look good. Like she literally she legit looked gorge. I'm What do you who cares? And someone's Oh, Jeff is trying to set her up with Steve Gutenberg. So, it turns out on his.

  about Shannon Bador · at 6:26

• Well, the big one obviously was you. You are the headline because the cult of a real housewife, the Mary Cosby tell all cult on the classiest channel of all time, Tulsa. Ben was on there. So I know.

  about Mary Cosby · at 14:51

• I generally am very passionate about it and she's calling real estate one of her favorite things since she and Mauricio, founder of the agency Luxury Real Estate Brokerage…

  about Mauricio · at 28:34

• Season on Beverly Hills if we are so blessed. The other piece of news from the K Richards front is that she and Mauricio went to a New Year's Eve bash and were very touchy and…

  about Kyle Richards · at 29:48

• Result, people were stranded in the various Caribbean islands they went to over break. So, Melissa Gorga is stuck in Aruba. Shep is stuck in St. Barts.

  about St. Barts · at 32:28

• I volunteer not in tribute for this. But anyway, so she went to St. Barts and then she posts on TikTok POV, you left St. 3 days early and brought home a bacterial infection and…

  about Bethany Frankel · at 36:20

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Mary Cosby — Person · Referenced figure / Core topic · 4 mentions · first at 14:57
  Central subject of discussion about the TLC documentary and controversies around her church, alleged misconduct, and media treatment.
• Shannon Bador — Person · Referenced Bravo personality; party anecdote subject · 3 mentions · first at 5:30
  Ronnie recounts seeing and chatting with her at a party; the story leads into Jeff Lewis allegedly trying to set her up with Steve Guttenberg.
• Kyle Richards — Person · Referenced celebrity / Bravo figure · 1 mention · first at 27:12
  Discussed in headlines segment: personal moves (Tennessee house purchase) and relationship status with Mauricio; frequent subject in Bravo gossip.
• Ashley Tisdale — Person · Referenced celebrity · 5 mentions · first at 1:14
  Central to a mom-group drama mentioned at start of episode; discussed regarding leaving a mom group and generating press.
• Steve Gutenberg — Person · Referenced actor (dating setup anecdote) · 4 mentions · first at 6:33
  Appears in a comedic story about Jeff Lewis allegedly trying to set him up with Shannon Beador; hosts riff on his 1980s roles.
  Lady up with Steve Gutenberg. So, we're all going through his Well, by we all I meant me. I immediately brought up his Insta and I was Whoa, Steve Gutenberg. But then there's…
• Mauricio — Person · Referenced person / Kyle Richards' partner (discussed) · 3 mentions · first at 28:38
  Mentioned as Kyle Richards' partner/ex Mauricio (Mo) in gossip about relationship and real estate decisions.
• Bethany Frankel — Person · Referenced reality TV personality / gossip subject · 1 mention · first at 35:34
  Discussed for a St. Barts trip, complaints about the social scene, and a reported bacterial face infection; also referenced via Andy Cohen calling her 'the margarita lady.'
• Megan Trainer — Person · Referenced celebrity (member of 'mom group') · 2 mentions · first at 0:55
  Named as part of the mom group; used as a punchline/target of mockery in the hosts' commentary.
  I went on Instagram and I saw that Hillary Duff was hanging out with Megan Trainer without me and I just started to cry tears of joy and I thought this joy is too it's too intense for me.
• Mandy Moore — Person · Referenced celebrity (member of 'mom group') · 2 mentions · first at 1:35
  Named as part of the alleged celebrity mom group at the center of Ashley Tisdale's story; also referenced as someone Ashley unfollowed.
  Hillary Duff, Mandy Moore. I don't know who else. People can people tell us in the comments. I was honestly the biggest the big takeaway for me is that Ashley Tisdale is 40. Like that was.
• Jeff Lewis — Person · Referenced personality / Event host · 2 mentions · first at 4:55
  Referenced as host of a birthday party where several Bravo figures attended; mentioned trying to set Shannon up with Steve Guttenberg.
  Turns out on his I don't even know how this came up. But apparently Jeff is trying to set this lady up with Steve Gutenberg. So, we're all going through his Well, by we all I…
• Bethenny Frankel — Person · Referenced celebrity · 2 mentions · first at 38:15
  Mentioned in travel gossip related to contracting a facial infection in St. Barts and for social-media behavior; nicknamed 'the margarita lady' by Andy Cohen in referenced commentary.
  So I went on to Tik Tok, which I never do. Oh man. And the first thing I saw was the margarita lady and wow, just suffocating it so much. And so, of course, it was hilarious…
• Steve Guttenberg — Person · Referenced celebrity / Potential romantic connection · 4 mentions · first at 6:35
  Mentioned as a celebrity Jeff Lewis tried to set Shannon up with; referenced for past heroic actions (Palisades fire evacuation).
  Stevenberg [clears throat] is a hero these days. It was almost exactly a year ago that he famously helped evacuate many people from the Palisades fire. So, like that is a if…
• Crystal Kung Minkov — Person · Referenced personality (duplicate entry resolved) · 2 mentions · first at 3:36
  Duplicate entity in input; same as earlier Crystal Kung Minkov mentions (podcast/party/gossip).
  Yeah. Michael Horn says Crystal Kung Minkov said one of her childhood friends is in this group, which is hilarious.
• Shannon Bador — Person · Referenced guest / Party attendee · 2 mentions · first at 5:32
  Mentioned as attending Jeff Lewis' birthday party; described interacting with hosts and being photogenic.
  Turns out on his I don't even know how this came up. But apparently Jeff is trying to set this lady up with Steve Gutenberg. So, we're all going through his Well, by we all I…
• Hillary Duff — Person · Mentioned celebrity · 3 mentions · first at 0:55
  Named as a member of the mom group; part of the initial anecdote that spurred discussion.
  I went on Instagram and I saw that Hillary Duff was hanging out with Megan Trainer without me and I just started to cry tears of joy and I thought this joy is too it's too intense for me.
• Megan Trainor — Person · Mentioned celebrity · 2 mentions · first at 0:55
  Named as a member of the mom group in gossip; referenced in joke about social exclusion.
  I went on Instagram and I saw that Hillary Duff was hanging out with Megan Trainer without me and I just started to cry tears of joy and I thought this joy is too it's too intense for me.
• Meredith Marx — Person · Referenced Bravo personality (appearance-fee headline) · 1 mention · first at 52:15
  Brought up in a headline-style aside about alleged appearance fees and pricing for events/social posts.
  We wait for people to come on up. Oh, I actually Let's see. There's Meredith Marx's what she charges for an appearance fee.
• Mo [Surname], e.g., Mo [LastName] (full identifying context needed) — Person · Guest/participant referenced in discussion · 1 mention
  Ambiguity prevents unique identification of the individual depicted or discussed
• Meredith Marx — Person · Referenced again (duplicate handled) · 2 mentions · first at 52:15
  Duplicate present in input; already enriched above regarding appearance fees.
  65,000 combined appearance fee plus first class travel accommodations, hair and makeup. And the deal included two appearances with a spa anniversary and an evening at an LGBTQ plus event up to.
• Ashley Chisdale — Person · Mentioned person (mis-typed name) · 1 mention · first at 4:30
  Likely a misspelling/alternate spelling of Ashley Tisdale mentioned in passing; referenced as denying being Republican after quick Google search.
  Outside of mom group. Only our gay sons are allowed to go talk about it. By the way, Ashley Chisdale is denying that she's a Republican according to a very quick Google search. So who knows what's what's at the core of this.
• Heather Dubrow — Person · 10 mentions
• Steve Guttenberg — Person · 10 mentions
• Shannon Beador — Person · 9 mentions
• Bethenny Frankel — Person · 7 mentions
• Mauricio Umansky — Person · 7 mentions
• Megan Trainor — Person · 6 mentions
• Master Dr. Shah — Person · 5 mentions
• Shep Rose — Person · 5 mentions
• Grace Lily — Person · 4 mentions · first at 42:02
  Grace Lily. Grace Lily was arrested over the break. Now, notably, Grace Lily was not at Bravo. And when we asked some people, some of the cast members, where's Grace Lily? They just sort of.
• Tinx — Person · 4 mentions
• Mary Cosby — Person · 3 mentions · first at 14:57
  Well, the big one obviously was you. You are the headline because the cult of a real housewife, the Mary Cosby tell all cult on the classiest channel of all time, Tulsa. Ben was on there. So I know.
• Melissa Gorga — Person · 3 mentions · first at 32:32
  Result, people were stranded in the various Caribbean islands they went to over break. So, Melissa Gorga is stuck in Aruba. Shep is stuck in St. Barts.
• Detective Drake — Person · 3 mentions
• Mandy Moore — Person · 2 mentions · first at 1:35
  Hillary Duff, Mandy Moore. I don't know who else. People can people tell us in the comments. I was honestly the biggest the big takeaway for me is that Ashley Tisdale is 40. Like that was.
• Andy Cohen — Person · 2 mentions · first at 38:02
  The perspective is amazing. And so Andy Cohen went on his show this morning. He was talking with John and he was he Andy Cohen was Oh, so I went on to Tik Tok, which I never do. Oh man. And the first thing I saw.
• Cameron Williams — Person · 2 mentions
• Gizelle Bryant — Person · 2 mentions
• Meredith Marks — Person · 2 mentions
• Terry Dubrow — Person · 2 mentions
• Vicki Gunvalson — Person · 2 mentions

Companies & orgs

• Bravo — Company · 14 mentions
• TLC — Company · 7 mentions
• Four Seasons Hotel Denver — Company · 5 mentions
• Instagram — Company · 2 mentions · first at 0:53
  I went on Instagram and I saw that Hillary Duff was hanging out with Megan Trainer without me and I just started to cry tears of joy and I thought this joy is too it's too intense for me.
• Nikki Beach — Company · 2 mentions · first at 32:37
  He took a video at Nikki Beach and he was Gosh, I'm stuck in St.
• Circle K — Company · 2 mentions · first at 43:01
  Because she thought she was a star and yeah so she was pulled over at a traffic stop at Circle K. already if you're pulled over at Circle K, it's just rough, you know. And she…
• Airbnb — Company · 2 mentions · first at 58:55
  She's annoying, but the whole angel eviction thing. What I think is happening is obviously I have an Airbnb.
• Discord — Company · 1 mention · first at 0:14
  Instead of waiting for a week, head over to our Patreon. That's also where you'll find our bonus episodes and our Discord community. We love you guys.
• Google LLC — Company · 1 mention · first at 4:35
  Way, Ashley Chisdale is denying that she's a Republican according to a very quick Google search. So who knows what's what's at the core of this.
• Gibson Empire — Company · 1 mention · first at 15:31
  I think Gibson Empire was not happy.
• Amazon Live — Company · 1 mention · first at 16:19
  And like I was like for a moment I was like I said [ __ ] but I'm like I forgot we're not on Amazon Live. But like honestly, yeah. Yes, they may have exploited my vagina.
• The Daily Beast — Company · 1 mention · first at 23:08
  Get the hell out of here. So, then what? Let's see what else happened in here. I'm taking this from the Daily Beast who did a pretty good article summing up the stuff. then…
• Daily Dish — Company · 1 mention · first at 28:16
  Fever dream, a wish for me. So, I just love real estate, Kyle confessed in an exclusive interview with the Daily Dish.
• The Agency — Company · 1 mention · first at 28:40
  And she's calling real estate one of her favorite things since she and Mauricio, founder of the agency Luxury Real Estate Brokerage, announced their split. So suddenly she…
• Page Six — Company · 1 mention · first at 30:04
  And were very touchy and warm and very obviously quote unquote together according to page six. So, how about that? Yeah, I mean that's kind of what I figured was going to…
• Reality Blurb — Company · 1 mention · first at 49:44
  As real, this is from reality blurb. As OC fans may have heard, Heather has been facing rumors of a potential exit in recent weeks, especially after Crystal Kung Minkov claimed on her podcast Humble Brag with.
• BravoCon — Company · 1 mention · first at 50:34
  Listener like to add, but we met her. Did we ever say that we met her at BravoCon that we saw her in the four seasons and she was You guys are so funny. And, she's a she's a fan.
• StreamYard — Company · 1 mention · first at 51:22
  Okay, Vitch people, I'm going to post a link from Streamyard. Copy this link and come give us a chat. Okay, this is how you do it. This will stay on YouTube.
• Artemis — Company · 1 mention · first at 56:17
  Artemis. Yeah. And so I went there Christmas, not Christmas Eve, but the day before. And I wanted to tell them about it, but I was trying to find the clip. I could not find it.
• BMW — Company · 1 mention
• E! — Company · 1 mention
• Fendi — Company · 1 mention
• Hulu — Company · 1 mention
• Roosterfish — Company · 1 mention
• The Hollywood Reporter — Company · 1 mention
• X Corporation — Company · 1 mention
• Z100 — Company · 1 mention

Products & tech

• Xanax — Product · 1 mention

Concepts & topics

• Palisades Fire — Concept · 1 mention · first at 8:14
  These days. It was almost exactly a year ago that he famously helped evacuate many people from the Palisades fire. So, like that is a if that happens, Shannon's going to wind…
• Epstein list — Concept · 1 mention · first at 20:10
  Out online. We had a lot to say about it back then. And by the time it gets on TV, look, it's like the Epstein list. Everybody's Oh my god, the Epstein list. I've been telling…

Places & events

• St. Barts — Place · Referenced location / Setting · 4 mentions · first at 32:32
  Referenced as a travel destination where celebrities (Shep, Bethenny Frankel, others) were stranded or experienced incidents; used in gossip context.
• Aruba — Place · Referenced location / Setting · 2 mentions · first at 32:32
  Mentioned as the place Melissa Gorga was stranded over the holidays; part of travel/gossip coverage.
  So, as you mentioned, Melissa Gorgo was stranded in Aruba, and this is even better because there were no rebooking options for weeks. So, good luck, Aruba.
• New Year — Event · Temporal reference / Setting · 11 mentions · first at 0:25
  Marks timeframe for many anecdotes (New Year's parties, travel, relationship sightings).
  Season on Beverly Hills if we are so blessed. The other piece of news from the K Richards front is that she and Mauricio went to a New Year's Eve bash and were very touchy and…
• Palisades fire — Event · Referenced again (duplicate handled) · 1 mention · first at 8:14
  Used as context for Steve Guttenberg's reputation (heroic action).
  Stevenberg [clears throat] is a hero these days. It was almost exactly a year ago that he famously helped evacuate many people from the Palisades fire. So, like that is a if…
• Mara Lago — Place · Duplicate / misspelling of Mar-a-Lago · 1 mention · first at 9:59
  Already normalized above as Mar-a-Lago; mentioned re: Kelly Dodd spending New Year there.
  I think she was actually I think Kelly I think she was actually at like Mara Lago for New Year's.
• Bev Hills — Place · Duplicate handled · 1 mention · first at 14:01
  Normalized to Beverly Hills references (see earlier).
  Want to pay for a new set. Bravo is cheap. Their asses are spending everything. All their money goes to Beverly Hills. They don't have money for any of this other [ __ ] They…
• Beverly Hills — Place · 8 mentions · first at 11:33
  Don't know if I'd drop anything. All these shows are so good. I was going to say Southern Charm or Beverly Hills, but the truth is that like the shows might not be great, but…
• St. Barts — Place · 4 mentions · first at 32:34
  Various Caribbean islands they went to over break. So, Melissa Gorga is stuck in Aruba. Shep is stuck in St. Barts.
• Ravenel Bridge — Place · 3 mentions
• Tahoe — Place · 2 mentions
• Puerto Rico — Place · 1 mention · first at 37:49
  That are like stricken by natural disaster and other things specifically you know Puerto Rico and hurricanes whatever then also going to St. arts and complaining about like people like you know flooding Nikki Beach. It's just like.
• Palm Springs — Place · 1 mention · first at 40:10
  Heather's the one who pooped on herself and peed on herself and barfed on herself. We all saw it in that Palm Springs.
• Mount Pleasant — Place · 1 mention · first at 43:40
  Yeah. So, she was charged with secondderee harassment at a Circle K at Mount Pleasant, which is so funny to be at arrested in a place called Mount Pleasant. It's so cute. she…
• WeHo — Place · 1 mention

Media & podcasts

• Real Housewives of Salt Lake City — Media · Core topic · 4 mentions · first at 2:48
  Central theme of the episode, discussing the show's cast and controversies.
• Wicked — Media · Referenced media · 4 mentions · first at 37:35
  Mentioned in the context of a discussion about the movie's reception and viewing experience.
  I'm so I liked it. I liked it. I felt like I felt like it wasn't as good as the first one. I also felt like this, the two new songs that they added really kind of slowed down the pacing because I.
• Crystal Kung Minkov — Character · Referenced personality (duplicate entry resolved) · 2 mentions · first at 3:36
  Duplicate entity in input; same as earlier Crystal Kung Minkov mentions (podcast/party/gossip).
  Yeah. Michael Horn says Crystal Kung Minkov said one of her childhood friends is in this group, which is hilarious.
• Vanderpump Rules — Media · Referenced (duplicate handled) · 1 mention · first at 13:18
  Already enriched above as part of Bravo franchise lineage conversation.
  Style, which is a spin-off of The Valley, which is a spin-off of Vanderpump Rules, which is a spin-off of Beverly Hills, which is a spin-off of Real House of Orange County. The lineage goes deep. Yeah.

Full transcript with timestamps

0:05 Welcome to Watch What Crappins. To get our videos as soon as they're released instead of waiting for a week, head over to our Patreon. That's also where you'll find our bonus episodes and our Discord community. We love you guys. Well, hello and welcome to the first crappy hour of 2026. I'm Ronnie and that's been Hello Ban. Hi. Hello, Ronnie. How are you doing? Good. What's going on with you this fine New Year night? Oh, what is going on? Well, I don't know if you heard, but I had to leave my mom group. It was just too toxic. You know, they were

0:52 God. I went on Instagram and I saw that that Hillary Duff was hanging out with Megan Trainer without me and I just started to cry tears of joy and I thought this joy is too it's too intense for me.

1:03 I need to leave this group cuz I'll be just too happy knowing that Megan Trainer does not want to hang out with me. I'd rather just be in a state of wondering if she'd want to hang out with me. So, that's where I'm at.

1:12 Yeah. For those of you who don't know what Ben's talking about, Ashley Tisdale just came out with a bombshell article about being very upset about what transpired in her mom group. So, who's in this mom group? Megan Trainer. First of all, don't be in a mom group with Megan Trainer.

1:27 I know that's that's where ends. Honestly, one of the most obnoxious people on the planet. Why would you do that to yourself? And who else is in there?

1:35 Uh Hillary Duff, Mandy Moore. I don't know who else. People can people uh tell us in the comments. Um, I was honestly the biggest the big takeaway for me is that Ashley Tisdale is 40. Like that was the thing. That was the record scratched moment for me. I was like I I mean I know our millennials are are aging now. Our elder millennials are now in their 40s, late 30s and 40s and and I I'm barely accepting that. But Ashley Tisdale from from uh from High School Musical is 40. What next? You know that makes me have to realize that like our Laguna Beach kids who are like 38 39.

2:07 It's very difficult for me. But I don't know who else is in that group. Does anyone know? and one in the in the

2:12 um people are saying let me see here let me read some of these comments somebody said I think Mandy Moore was the real hit

2:20 so was Mandy Moore oh god Mandy Moore is me she unfollowed I think Mandy Moore and Hillary Duff but then uh Carrie in the comments says Ashley Tisdale is also a MAGA and I think the others are not so that could

2:32 be that could be an issue. I will say this, you know, I know this is big news in in the world, you know, this whole thing about her leaving the mom group. Some of us have been watching people leave the mom groups for years, which is called the end of a Real Housewives season. Okay, this isn't our first Bravo in general. Yeah, we've seen this forever. Remember they had that show on Bravo about the moms?

2:55 It was like there goes the mambberhood or something like that and you refuse to. That was one of the only shows Ben was like, I refuse. I think we did the first one and you were like, I'm putting my foot down. This isn't now.

3:05 Well, because it was so scripted. It was too scripted for me. It didn't feel authentic at all. Like, you know, I understand that these these shows have a degree of production and there's producer manipulation, but like I don't want to see the scenes. And that's why I like Bravo shows because I feel like by and large they they are really well done. Whereas if you go on to E or you go on to like certain Netflix shows, Hulu shows, it's just like you you almost can see the producer off camera waving their arms and holding up signs saying, "Ask this question." I mean, it's just it's too much, you know?

3:36 Yeah. Michael Horn says Crystal Kung Minkov said one of her childhood friends is in this group, which is hilarious. She Crystal Kung Minkov loves a getting kicked out of a mommy group story cuz you know she had her own of like the 16 friends or the 14 friends or whatever. So I like that she's even friends with somebody in a group that kicked somebody out. A lot of kicking out going on in these friend groups, these mom friend groups.

4:01 You're either the [clears throat] kicker or the kicky gonna be [ __ ] Well I you know Ashley Tisdale I don't know about her politics. I don't know really anything about her except her name's stupid. And um I will say this though, I don't want somebody in my mom group who's going to like go run to the press every time there's a problem in mom group. So I think that that's just like a symptom of what kind of person that is. Okay? Because mom group is mom group. We don't talk about mom group outside of mom group. Only our gay sons are allowed to go talk about it. By the way, Ashley Chisdale is denying that she's a Republican according to a very quick Google search. So who knows who knows what's what's at the core of this.

4:40 Aaron said Crystal called herself a trends setter. That's funny. Um, I met Crystal

4:45 was wearing Oh, yeah. Go on. No, I was saying she was wearing ugly leather pants. Go on.

4:50 Oh, I uh went to Shane Douglas's birthday party. Shane Douglas of the Jeff Lewis show and camp. The Jeff Lewis camp. It was his birthday. He's so cute. And uh Ben was busy, but I went to his uh birthday party. It was so much fun. I finally met Crystal Kung Minkoff. What a lovely lady. We've met on um DMs because she used to listen to crappins when she was on it and told us and we said please don't like I'm not apologizing to you so please stop listening. So we didn't know her in real life and it was so nice to meet her. What a lovely lovely lady.

5:25 Hopefully we'll have her on here soon to talk cuz of course you know I was like give me your number. You're coming on our show. But that was really fun. And Shannon Bador was there as well.

5:34 Huh. Um looking gorgeous. She looks great. Now, Shannon, I I did talk to a bit. Um, but I don't I'm not like as like, "Hey, girl, what's up?" Like with Crystal, I was like, "Okay, let's talk and be friends." But with Shannon, you know, I'm still talking [ __ ] about Shannon, so I can't I can't get too close. But, um, she is so [ __ ] funny. First of all, she looks amazing. She was sitting there. I think she came close to me to get a break, which little did she know, you're not going to get a break coming to stand next to me. So, she sat there. She's going through her phone and just kind of in her own world and fin like 10 I'm talking to somebody and 10 minutes later I turned around I was like what are you doing? You've been on your phone and I looked at what she was doing. I said, "Why are you just looking at all these pictures of yourself?" Cuz everyone kept coming by and taking pictures with

6:20 Shannon. I said, "What are you doing? A photo booth?" And she said, "No, I just I I I have to find a a good picture. I'm Don't even worry. Don't worry about it. I'm just trying." I said, "Well, they all look fine. You look good." Like she literally she legit looked gorge. I'm like, "What do you who cares?" And someone's like, "Oh, Jeff is trying to set her up with Steve Gutenberg." So, it turns out on his I don't even know how this came up. But apparently Jeff is trying to set this lady up with Steve Gutenberg. So, we're all going through his Well, by we all I meant me. I immediately brought up his Insta and I was like, "Whoa, Steve Gutenberg." But then there's some shirtless pictures and I was like, "Oh, Steve Gutenberg, Shannon, you deserve this.

6:57 You deserve a break today." Okay, McDonald's is [ __ ] And she was like, "Well, I care about what's in your heart." I said, "He has a tiny robot.

7:05 Shannon has not seen Short Circuit, so she didn't get that." I was like, "Rent the [ __ ] movie. You're not allowed to date Steve Gutenberg." Also, what kind of mother were you that you didn't show your child short circuit?

7:15 Did you also remind Shannon that he is a proud protector of the peace as a member of a of a police force? I have to assume he still has that given that he did graduate from a police academy once or three, four times. I was like bloop bloop Steve Gutenberg.

7:34 I love that's why I was listen I only watch police academy for the sound effects guy and Sharon Stone.

7:39 Yeah. And someone said yeah Jeff is just trying to give you a happy life. I said yeah what Jeff is trying to do is give you a very happy relationship so then he can ruin your relationship. You know how this goes right? Like oh I don't know. It's not a relationship. It's not a relationship. I barely know him. So we'll see. I mean, but is he just an icon of the 1980s? Well, I mean, he he does like to take care of children. That's why he raised a child with two other men. So, I I enjoy that. Stevenberg [clears throat] is a hero these days. It was almost exactly a year ago that he famously helped evacuate many people from the Palisades fire. So, like that is that is a if that happens, Shannon's going to wind up with a hot commodity. And I'll tell you one thing, I have a feeling that Steve Gutenberg eats vegetables. So, I hope that works out.

8:29 Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, that was that. But that was a really fun night. A lot of people were there. All the, you know, a lot of the Chumpy Chumps were there. Um, Ryan Bailey, Leendra Chuks, you know, Joey Zoig is very

8:43 himself, let's just say. So, how's it going? Happy New Year. Happy New Year. You know, oh my god, I don't know. I saw my ex. It's great. I'm not even thinking about it. I I don't even think about it anymore. I don't even think about it anymore. I don't even think about him anymore. It was a good breakup. It was a good breakup. I mean, the guy just goes on and on about the most personal most personal things. I'm like, well, good to good to see you. I don't even think about it anymore.

9:05 I'm like, you're talking about it to a almost stranger at a party. But good for you. You're getting over this, buddy.

9:13 I wish I could have been there. I had a long time previously scheduled uh board game to play that started at 11:00 in the morning and ended at 2:00 in the morning. So, you know, one does not send me back without causing huge ripples. Okay. So, sorry, but I had some spaceships to move around a table for 12 hours, but I honestly

9:35 I would have loved to have gone. And I hope that they had a great time. And everybody was really sweet. Jeff was sure to tell me he loves having you on his show without me, which was very kind. He's like, "Wow, Ben is so much better without you." I was like, "Okay, thanks." Um, you know, people are asking, "Was Kelly Dodd there?" No, Kelly Dodd was not there, so that saved my lungs.

9:54 I think she was actually I think Kelly I think she was actually at like Mara Lago for New Year's.

10:02 Oh, well, there's there's a shocker. So, um, there's that. Oh, so also that show came out, this membersonly Palm Beach since we've been speaking

10:13 gone. Yeah, people have gone crazy for this show. Have you seen it? So, I did not watch it because I took the break to not watch

10:23 board games till 2 in the morning. Did you not hear I was saving the galaxy? Um, I really I when when the trailer dropped in December, I was like, I absolutely need to see this. It looked amazing. Um, and so I do fully want to watch it. I love watching rich [ __ ] older ladies, uh, just kabortch. So I am totally excited to see it. Originally I was going to propose that we cover it when we get back, but this week Bravo has dropped. We have the Valley coming back. They've dropped the Valley and it's a two episode premiere. And then the Traders is going to pre premiere on Thursday on the same night as the Valley. And that we have to assume is a three episode premiere because that's how they usually do it. And so we just our dance card is full. Like our dance card is actually already full and now we're getting all this stuff. So it really bugs me.

11:11 I don't even like to dance. I don't even like dance. It really bums me out because I really want to not only watch the show, but I already know I want to recap it. And I think it's just going to be at least for this first season, I don't think it's going to be possible. It's just a shame. Like we there's just so much we could do. Honestly, if I had my brothers, honestly, I would drop I don't know. I don't know if I'd drop anything. All these shows are so good. I was going to say Southern Charm or Beverly Hills, but the truth is that like the shows might not be great, but they're

11:38 I know. I know. But I'm just saying they're so fun to make fun of. Even when they have bad seasons, they're so fun to make fun of.

11:45 Well, I did not watch it either because I was reading Oh, it's mega this, mega that. And I don't I just whatever. I don't I didn't want to make myself mad over the holiday. And we had talked about Heated Rivalry a little bit before the holidays. We had both only watched 20 minutes of it. I liked it. You didn't like it so so much. I mean, it was only the first 20 minutes we can tell you. I watched it. I loved this show. I cried. I loved it. I thought it was beautiful. And I a lot of it people are like, "Oh, it's gay porn." This I mean, yeah, there's like a lot of that, but it such a good show beyond I mean, I have the internet. I don't need the porn on like I'm not like a Skinamax kind of a guy. I have the internet. I can see penises going in in butts. But, um, it was such a good show. I just loved the show. I loved it.

12:29 I I'll finish watching it. I'll finish it. just I [clears throat] watched 20 minutes of it at like when I had some time and then I was just like I wanted more buildup. I enjoy I enjoy the courtship a little bit more. But that being must be great.

12:44 There was it was the whole thing is a long course. I mean you know you know gays we [ __ ] first we ask names later. So it was it was that um so uh let's get into some Oh go ahead.

12:55 I just want to say some people in the comments seem a little alarmed. They're like the valley's coming back already. This is the Valley Persian style. It is basically the Shaw's reboot where they've changed out um Mike and added in some new folks. So, it is just the Valley spin-off. So, if you think about it, you have uh the Valley Persian Style, which is a spin-off of The Valley, which is a spin-off of Vanderpump Rules, which is a spin-off of Beverly Hills, which is a spin-off of Real House of Orange County. The the the lineage goes deep. Yeah.

13:28 Oh, it's not a spin-off of Orange County. Beverly Hills is. No. Real House of Beverly Hills is a literal spin-off of The Real House of Orange County.

13:37 It's a franchise. Well, sure. Sure. Sure. But it's a spin-off of McDonald's. The point is there is a bloodline that goes

13:49 that goes from baby shams now up to which is mostly just because they do not want to pay for a new set. Bravo is cheap. Their asses are spending everything. All their money goes to Beverly Hills. They don't have money for any of this other [ __ ] They won't even hire a cleaning crew to go clean. Sir, that restaurant has not been cleaned for two decades. Okay. um they are using the same backgrounds, interview sets and all that stuff for the valley. So, they're saving a little money. So, go Oh, by the way, I went to the old pump the other day. It's um Rooster Fish now in WeHo. I went out the other night.

14:25 It's pump. They didn't take out the trees or anything. They just like tarted up Trump, which is like, you know, the trees were the nice part and they kept the bar, but they took out a lot of, you know, the really Lisa things, but it was still it was still pump. I was like, good for you guys. You didn't you didn't let her sue you to get her olive trees back. Good for you.

14:44 Yeah, exactly. Okay, so you were trying to transition into headlines. I am here. I am locked in. What do you want to start with?

14:51 Well, the big one obviously was you. You are the headline because the cult of a real housewife, the Mary Cosby tell all cult on the classiest channel of all time, Tulsa. Um, Ben was on there. So

15:07 I know I know said don't become the story. Don't become the story. I want Yeah, you were on there. One of the big controysies of this was that they were taking people's social media stuff and putting it on there without any kind of permission or you know a lot of people were really pissed off about that that Besties by Caitlyn not happy. I think Gibson

15:32 Empire was not happy. Yeah, people were not happy. How did you feel about being blatantly ripped off, having your face splashed all over national television without your permission?

15:41 I literally could not have been happier. I'm not going to lie. Okay, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, guys. I'm sorry. I I want to have a united front with everyone. I know it's wrong.

15:49 This is like the most delightful way to start the new year for me. I'm so sorry. I know. I know. But like, no network is going to pay for this content, okay? They're not going to pay for it. I don't know. I just don't I don't care. I don't care. It's like a stupid documentary on TLC. I literally don't care. I think it's like whatever, you know? I think I would be upset if they used used it in a way that totally misrepresented me. I'm not but like they don't pay for this [ __ ] anyway, right? And like I was like for a moment I was like I said [ __ ] but I'm like I forgot we're not on Amazon Live. But like honestly, yeah.

16:23 Yes, they may have exploited my vagina. Sure. I just am like your vagina. Here's why I don't have a leg to stand on. Here's why I don't have a leg to stand on. I have built a career. We have built a career off of Bravo TV. Okay. And like and all of a sudden I'm gonna act precious. I can't. Sorry. Other things I'll get mad at.

16:44 Yeah. We got We got the leeches. I can't be mad. I don't know. We're part of the leech ecosystem.

16:50 I got a couple of uh DMs from our friends who were on it as well featured against their, you know, wishes or whatever.

16:57 Yeah. And they were like, "Oh, Benny's going to be pissed when he sees himself." They're like, "Do you think he's going to be mad?" I said, "Girl, Ben is not going to be mad." I said, "Ben, this is like a gift to This is like a Hanukkah gift to Ben. So, please don't ruin it. Don't don't message him. Don't take away his joy. Don't make him mad about it."

17:13 People messaged me. People messaged me and they're like, "Aren't you upset?" And I I just sort of gave neutral responses because I didn't want to make I didn't want to make them be like I don't want to trivialize what they were feeling because other people are more upset than I am. And that's fine. You know, other people are like this is just not like they they felt violated. They felt like it wasn't right. It wasn't the kind thing to do,

17:34 you know. And you know what I thought was so funny about it was they took all these they took all these accounts, right? They they took clips from people's Tik Toks and stuff, but then they um jacked up the numbers. They they lied about their numbers and said like, "Oh, this person has 4 million followers and they're talking about it." So, first of all, how truthful is this TLC documentary? Because you're not even taking the real foot. You're taking the footage and then adding sauce to it so you look more legitimate. It's like these people have like 4,000 and the people were saying it online. They're like, "I have 4,000 followers. Why are they saying I have 4 million

18:09 whatever followers?" Well, the funny part was it wasn't even from Watch Crap. I actually if there's anything I don't know if I got I honestly I haven't watched it. Um I I I feel like one of those Real House I feel like Jack's being like I haven't watched it. I haven't watched the Valley. But I really haven't watched it because you guys know how much I hate TLC. So I haven't watched it. Um, I don't know if I got I'm assuming they did not say Ben Mandela or whatever. But the funny thing is that the footage that they used was when I was guesting on um the Elvis Durant show on on on Z100 or iHeart, whatever. So, it wasn't even crapins. I was actually if anything I'm upset that that that we couldn't promote crapins on it, you know, but luckily I love the people over at Elvis Duran. And so I was happy that that that was part of it, but just kind of like bizarre, you know, and I and the thing that my first thought

18:57 was this. Here's my first thought. By the way, I love that I'm giving like a behind thescenes BTS on my 3 secondond clip on a on a documentary, but that when I went on to the Elvis Duran show, I wore this like shirt that was really fun that had like it's like a corduroy shirt with like depictions of little cabins. And after I went on, my parents, you know, my parents always called with notes and my my mom was like, "So, why did you choose that shirt?" I was like, "Cuz it was fun." And my mom's like, "I wouldn't have chosen that. It wasn't it wasn't a very good shirt for you. It's just not the shirt that you should wear on something like that." like it's just it's not it's you shouldn't have worn it. And my very first thought was when they put the the documentary footage up was like my mom's going to be mad cuz they got they got me in the shirt.

19:37 They put me in the shirt finally on TV and he's in that shirt. He's in that damn shirt. That's [clears throat] funny.

19:42 For the record, I love the shirt. And I was very happy about it. So, the documentarians were saying in an article um on the reporter, Hollywood Reporter, they were saying that the reason they use so many clips is because this story about Mary's temple or whatever, her faith temple or whatever was already told through social media from the beginning of the show, which is true. I mean, I feel I felt like we didn't have to watch it because we talked about this as it was happening, as it was coming out online. We had a lot to say about it back then. And by the time it gets on TV, I mean, look, it's like the Epstein list. Everybody's like, "Oh my god, the Epstein list. I've been telling you people about the Epstein list for years and now everybody's like, "Oh, now the Epstein, what do you think?" Before when I was saying it, it was like a conspiracy and I was a crazy person and now everybody's going crazy over it and

20:26 I'm tired. Like, I've already read it all. You know what I mean? And that's how I felt about the Mary documentary. It's not that it's not a big deal. It's that

20:33 I was already so mad about it back then and I'm like, "Oh, well, I guess I like Mary now because she's just stayed on." And it's like to me she's weathered the storm, but she has not weathered the storm. The storm has just started cuz not everybody is as obsessed with Reddit and social media gossip as I am apparently. So this is new news for a lot of people and they're pissed. There's a lot of pissed-off people. Yeah. But it's gonna You know what? Like there's just bigger fish to fry. I think if this had come out maybe a year ago, even two years ago, I think maybe more outrage. They're just bigger. They're just bigger bigger [ __ ] in the world to worry about. Stuff that's like scar bigger and scarier. I mean, like literally our country just abducted the president of another country and so we're going to really devote time to Mary Cosby. It just seems like there's just bigger things to be worried about and scared

21:26 about. So, I think this is just going to blow over, you know? And like also, like you said, this is old news for all of us, you know? I think maybe for newbies or casual watchers it is. But like

21:36 I don't know. I mean, it's not good. I'll tell you a lot of it's not good. Some of the biggest revelations to me were just the lies that Mary was kind of caught in on the show because on the show Mary says that she the reason she married her grand her grandpa her stepg grandpa guys it's not gross. Okay. Uh the reason she married her stepg grandpa is because her grandmother willed it basically. She want she said in her will or whatever that she wanted Mary to marry the husband and take over the church. And that's just not true. Mary was actually married um at the time to somebody else which I don't think I knew the timeline of all this back then but Mary was married to somebody else and then um the husband Robert Senior took over the church after the grandmother died and that he became closer with Mary, bought her a BMW and then basically started to kind of I guess groom her to bring her

22:31 in and then started telling everybody that God was willing him to marry Mary. And so they got married and took over this church. But that kind of contradicts everything that Mary said about it. Um, what else in here? Um, do you love that? That's the most defensive.

22:48 I was about to say this really this really just makes the Ashley and Sheree Sun thing just seems like a a fun walk in the park.

22:56 Well, that's only like 10 years apart and they're not related and even in a stepway. Why is there a little fly here? Get the hell out of here. So, um, then what? Let's see what else happened in here. I'm taking this from the Daily Beast who did a a pretty good article summing up the stuff. Um, then they went over the walk out. The mom, you know, had a fit that she didn't get it. She ended up suing over forged documents. There was a lot of allegation. There were a lot of allegations of forged documents that they were saying, you know, mama willed this and mama willed that and mama wanted her money to go here. And basically those were found to be falsified and she the Mary's mother won a $1.2 million settlement which is pretty good. And then she forced she had a big walk out where the Mary talked about this a little bit recently. There was a walk out. The mom made a big stink at church. She took half the church with

23:51 her. Mary kept half the church. The people that stayed in Mary's side of the church were forbidden from ever speaking to the people that um her mother took. and to the point where one of the one of the mothers in that congregation passed away and her own daughter who stayed at this church was not allowed to go into that church. I mean, so none of it's good. The stuff with Cameron, uh, not good. Apparently, he said he claimed to have had an affair with Mary. Cameron's the guy we saw on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City who died of a brain a brain tumor after. But apparently he claimed they had an affair and that she was giving him like $2,500 shoes and you know he felt very brainwashed and he had to you know get rid of his house to give the church money. And I don't know, none of it's good. That's for sure. But it's all kind of old.

24:45 Yeah. Um that's that's my feeling and someone brings up this point. Didn't Morgan Freeman date his stepg granddaughter from his ex-wife? There was something like that. There was some Morgan Freeman did do something odd like that. Um uh yeah, it just feels old and it feels like the only reason why they did this documentary is because Mary became popular because this I feel like all this stuff was just floating around several years ago and at that time people were busy making documentaries about Jen Shaw uh because Jen Shaw took up all the air in the room. And what's funny is that like if you go back to season two of Real House of Salt Lake City, it's as much about Jen Shaw and her legal issues as it is about does is Mer does Mary have a cult? Like a big part of that season was questioning Mary and and everything going on over there.

25:34 So it just felt like there was like a moment where people were like, uh, what should we exploit? We can exploit Mary's cult. We can exploit Whitney's vagina or we can exploit Jen Shaw. And they went Jen Shaw. And now they're circling back because Mary's popular. And I just feel like I'm not saying, "Oh, this is good." But we were all thought like we're all like I guess we all just we already had our outrage. I I just don't feel like it can be outraged again. I feel like it's over. The scab has healed over. The outrage has moved to other things. And I think that it's, you know, I I read a lot of outrage, but it seems temporary.

26:07 I I think that you're right that it's going to kind of blow over. Does it deserve to? I don't know. I'm not really saying it's not a big deal. I think it's horrible. I think a lot of this stuff is horrible. And I think the way a lot of churches pray on their members was terrible, you know.

26:20 Yeah. But at the same time, you know, people try and compare it to Jen Shaw and stuff like that. I'm like, nah, you know, Jen Shaw was like going after the most vulnerable people and promising them things and take I mean, I guess you could say that Mary was doing that, but I don't know. Look, look, I'm getting tired even talking about it. So, I think it's over for me.

26:38 Yeah. Unless they bring it up on housewives. Mhm. Like if they bring it up then then sure we'll take a stance more of a stance. But like when an outsider like TLC comes in

26:47 then I'm like I'm going to circle my wagons. My pioneer wagons cuz it's a sisterhood.

26:53 It's the Too Late channel. Okay. Cuz you're too late. Yeah. It's the It's the president of TLC is Jojo singing it's just a little too late. A little too late.

27:04 Yeah. Okay. So what do you want to talk about today? Um okay. Well, here's some let's, you know, let's talk about one of the mo most compelling people in the world of Bravo, Kyle Richards. Uh, two things hit the news news headlines this week. First is that Kyle has moved to Tennessee.

27:23 Oh, what a shocker. Yeah. Yeah. So, uh, actually this is great news because, uh, she sold her Inino house and I could not be happier because as people know, I hate that house. I'm so glad that house with its stupid tall suffocating hedges around the around the driveway and it's generic like white colored facade. I don't even know what style of house it is. Just so generic.

27:52 So she did it. I feel like I read that that she sold it. She goes house. It says

27:59 so she's moving there for good. Let me read the official this this one. This is from Bravo's own website. Um, because I read in a different one that she sold it. Maybe that wasn't maybe that was incorrect. Maybe it's just a fever dream, a wish for me. So, uh, I just love real estate, Kyle confessed in an exclusive interview with the Daily Dish. Kyle is the what I love her generic statements. I love shopping. I love real estate. She's just like a bot. Um, so she bought

28:29 misplaced dashes. Like, wait a minute. I generally am very passionate about it and she's calling real estate one of her favorite things since she and Mauricio, founder of the agency Luxury Real Estate Brokerage, announced their split. So suddenly she loves real estate out of nowhere. Um so she says this is something that I'm doing. It's my investment because even now Mauricio will share things like oh I'm making an investment and these investments and I'm like what can I do on my own that I can feel good about? And I've always been good at real estate, you know, has she?

29:02 And I've chosen the majority of our homes, and I've always, it's always worked out well for me business-wise, except for when I've choose a home and then it gets burgled. So, um, I just love that Kyle is still just taking other people's passions.

29:15 Um, this one says, "This would be the second home K's bought on her own. One's in California, one's in Tennessee."

29:22 Okay. Uh, this article does not Yeah. Okay. So, the other article I read had was was was poorly referenced, but but she did at the very least

29:33 um she did buy a new home in Tennessee. So, the other thing was a little bit more alarming because it like it's like if you sold your house in Inino and you bought a house in Tennessee, it's like what's going on with that? But it looks like it's just a second property and I'm sure there'll be a cast trip there next season on Beverly Hills if we are so blessed. The other piece of news from the K Richards front is that she and Mauricio went to a New Year's Eve bash and were very touchy and warm and very obviously quote unquote together according to page six. So, how about that? Yeah, I mean that's kind of what I figured was going to happen was she was going to end up back with Mo and this other thing was either a phase or I don't know. I don't know what it was.

30:17 But buying a house in Tennessee, doesn't that mean you're going to be with Morgan? I think Kyle's just [ __ ] with people now. She's like, I bought a house in Tennessee, but I'm still all over Moh. Options. Who knows?

30:28 Yeah, it's it's too much. I also I just want to say something. When I was reading this article, she referenced Mo and it's spelled MAU. I think we need to normalize when we refer to Mauricio's as Mo. We just call it MO because it's not mau ma. Like it's I'm sorry if you I understand the the whole the large word is Mauricio M- a r i c i o but it's like you know it's just it's when you say mo it's spelled mo. I'm just going to say it right now.

30:57 Okay. New role or m a or m aux but I cannot do mau and say mo. It's just my brain will not allow it.

31:04 Yeah. I mean, you know, all this Kyle news happening at the same time the Mary Cosby stuff happened and it came out all during a holiday and it's just like I don't care. You know what I mean? I think that's the time where you're supposed to release news that people don't care about. So, I love that Kyle's huge news and this other news it came out in the don't care period of life. I just don't care. But it's Kyle, you know? I mean, God bless her.

31:30 God help her. Uh, so God just got to do something with Kyle. Do some make Kyle better. God. So, um, some other stuff happened.

31:40 Wait, what? I just have to say after my little rant, someone says Ben gets a little TV fame and is making all the rules. Now

31:48 you're from Moose. [gasps] Uh, so some other stuff happened over the holidays. Rich people got stuck in places. Okay. St. Bart's huge

32:00 stuckage. There's a lot of stuckage happening there. Okay. Shep, namely Shep, got stuck with a lot of other people who are probably horrified to be stuck with Shep and I felt really bad

32:12 for them. Yeah. So, I I I didn't read the fine details. I have to assume that because of the situation with Venezuela, like air traffic around the Caribbean was maybe paused a bit so that way because who knows what might happen. So, as a result, people were stranded in the various Caribbean islands they went to over break. So, Melissa Gorga is stuck in Aruba. Shep is stuck in St. Barts. Uh, he took a video at Nikki Beach and he was like, "Gosh, I'm stuck in St. Barts. Look at this. I guess there's worse place to be stuck." And he like pans around and Jazelle is there on like in the shot with her daughters and I just and he doesn't even say like, "Oh, she's the nice lady from my network." He just keeps on banning by and everyone's like, "Uh, Jazelle was there. That was Jazelle."

33:00 Yeah. Doesn't even notice. Doesn't even know who she is. Well, he also got stuck with Tinx from Sirius and uh she went up to him to say hi and um he posted on his story. Well, gosh, I was in a bathroom line with this girl with this gal chatting it up and two girl ran up and asked for her picture and I was like, who is this? And maybe I was bizarrely jealous. Laughy face. She's Tinks and she writes, so I'm impressed. And uh it's a picture posing with Tinx. Here's the here's the picture. And she wrote she reposted this and wrote, "Then he asked me, "How many followers do you have anyway?" And that's how I met Shep.

33:42 Well, I'm just sad that Shep was stranded on St. Bart instead of Bahamas because then he could have spent some real good quality time with Sienna and her perfect little lips. Oh god,

33:53 I'm sorry. Perfect. Freckled little lips. So, as you mentioned, Melissa Gorgo was stranded in Aruba, and this is even better because there were no rebooking options for weeks. So, good luck, Aruba. You're going to be eating some dry ass cookies. Yeah. Um, it's really funny. It's also hilarious because we I think it was about like a year ago, we actually did an ad for Aruba. I'm imagining people like, you know, I heard that ad on watch. Ben and Ronnie were saying a lot of warm things about Aruba. I think this is the year we finally go and now they're stuck there with Melissa Gorga.

34:26 We How many people did we get stuck there? Um, so Monica came out with a post this week.

34:33 You know, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't want to I know Monica, but since we're on the topic of celebrities having gone to St. Starts, etc., and getting stuck there,

34:45 there was one celebrity who went to St. arts who did get stuck there and she emerged um with a bit of an issue uh as Bethany Frankle and she contracted a face infection after parting in St. Barts.

35:01 So I've only ever been once I've been to St. Barts dozens of times offse. I booked it to bring my daughter because we went once before. We like the food, the beaches, the shopping. This time it hit different. So every day you'd go to either a beach or um a beach club at a hotel and it would be the hunger games of fashion and money and no one is just dressed casually. I

35:29 Bethany acting like she is part of the old money establishment that was there before the other Bethy's arrived. Bethany, you are the Hunger Games. You

35:37 You're literally hungry. You're literally hungry. She uh so she's on there. She's talking like, "Oh my god, like oh my god, Bhaga Games." It's like people came here. It's like it's like crazy. It's like so many people came down to St. Barts. I'm like, "Yeah, because it's people like you are going there and you're being like, "Oh my god, I'm in St. Barts. I'm in St. Barts." How do you think the people like in St. Barts liked it when you showed up with camera crews? Okay.

35:56 Yeah. You know, you know the original people who complained that every loser is starting to come to St. Barts when you started to come. That's that's those are the first there wasn't Tik Tok then. Okay. There was like Facebook stories or whatever the [ __ ] It was it was them. It was those people like this lady won't stop going into into restaurants and giving reviews on their chicken salad that nobody asked for. I volunteer not in tribute for this. But anyway, so she went to to to St. Barts and then she posts on TikTok POV, you left St. 3 days early and brought home a bacterial infection and her face has a bacterial she is just full of bacterial infection on her face and it's just like I'm just so impressed how she's able to just step on so many rakes in her life. It's

36:48 always something with Bethany. I saw her posting the other day something about like, oh, you know, I I was there. I was there, you know, like we were trying to enjoy ourselves, but it's like the Hunger Games, you know, like trying to go anywhere like social invitations. It's like this this whole powerful thing like parties, this that, who's invited to here, who's invited to that. But you know what I had to realize at the end of the day, it's like who you there with. It's like love the one you're with, you know? And I'm with my daughter and I love my daughter. And I was like, what a nice post to say you're pissed that you weren't invited anywhere in St. Bart. Like what a sad post to say I couldn't get into any [ __ ] party that I wanted to go to. [ __ ] this place.

37:23 Um when you're making a post about your daughter on New Year's Day like, "Oh wow, really glad I got to spend time with this little brat

37:30 instead of all of the rich people I came here to hobnob with." Yay me. Anybody want to see Wicked for Good again? I just love the the woman who started the be strong disaster relief initiative to help the help countries that are like stricken by natural disaster and other things specifically you know Puerto Rico and hurricanes whatever then also going to St. arts and complaining about like people like you know flooding Nikki Beach. It's just like

37:58 this is a crisis. The perspective is amazing. And so uh Andy Cohen went on his show this morning. He was talking with um John and he was he Andy Cohen was like, "Oh, so so I went on to Tik Tok," which I never do. Oh man. And the first thing I saw was the margarita lady and wow, just suffocating it so much. And so, of course, it was hilarious that he won't even call Bethany Bethany by name. He calls her the margarita lady. And he says, he also says that she doesn't show up on his Instagram algorithm, so he never sees her. So, like when he went on to TikTok, I guess the first time he'd seen her content in a while, which was also like there was like layers of shade in that, which is like Andy Cohen somehow like she's not important enough that the algorithm serves her to him or he doesn't see like it was all it was all pretty hilarious. But that was the big takeaway was that he call not refer

38:53 to her as Bethany. And for those wondering if the status of their relationship, it sounds like it's still not healed.

39:02 Yeah. Yeah. No, not healed. Margarita Lady. Uh something else not healed. Monica Garcia from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City still piping up wherever she can. She goes on Carlos King often um to talk about Salt Lake City. She posted on her Tik Tok a p a video of her dancing, which I mean, you do you. Um, and it says, "You guys stay believing the wrong ones." Six exclamation points. It's always the one projecting the most. And that's on people thinking I can't keep Real Housewives of Salt Lake City out of my damn mouth. I haven't said [ __ ] Trust, but it's a new year. Let's see what happens. And the post says, "When everyone wants to accuse Meredith of being an alcoholic, but she wasn't the one that was taken away in an ambulance to the ER for alcohol poisoning and demanded the footage never be shown and cast locked in their rooms while she got wheeled away to get her stomach pumped, allegedly." So, everyone

39:59 was like, "Who is this? Oh my god, it's Heather. Who else would it be?" Oh, you think who else?

40:06 Heather's the one who pooped on herself and uh peed on herself and barfed on herself. We all saw it in that Palm Springs.

40:13 Yes. Like, who else could it be? Yeah, she was really drunk that season. Really, really. Well, at least especially in Palm Springs that one night for sure.

40:22 And the black eye night with Jen Shaw, the wasted. So, I mean, listen, I'm not against anybody getting their stomach pumped, but I am against the hypocrisy of that storyline. And sometimes, you know, it takes

40:36 a non-hero to be a hero. So, at least somebody is saying it because that's that storyline's making me crazy. You're all drunk. You peed and barfed on yourself on TV. You do not get to call people a drunk. Whitney, you were falling off the stage of Bravo Con. You don't get to either. I But I also don't know what Monica's really trying to do here. Like people people get too drunk all the time without being alcoholics and they get their stomachs pumped. I don't know. Like I don't see when she's like someone she had alcohol poisoning. I'm like, that happens to a lot of people now. I mean, I think it's Yeah, I think after you're like 24, it's it's weird that it happens. Is it weird? I'm I started to brainw myself. I'm like nodding my head like is it weird? Uh-huh. Uhuh. Uhhuh.

41:20 It's weird. But like I don't know. I don't know. Like for some reason I guess you're saying like don't don't throw rocks in a in a glass house in a glass med spa.

41:29 Don't throw olives when you live in a Tito's bottle. That's what she's saying. And I agree with that. You know, it's the hypocrisy. But, you know, I just think it's funny because it's been a week of people being like, "Who could she be talking about? Who do you think?" Come on, people. You watch the show.

41:45 Also, Monica off the show, Heather. I mean, Monica's going to come for Heather for the rest of her life, you know?

41:51 Yeah. Do I care that Heather's a drunk? No. Is you calling other people a drunk? So, um, let's see.

41:58 You know who else may have some issues with substances? Grace Lily. Grace Lily was arrested over the break. Now, notably, Grace Lily was not at Bravo. And when we asked some people, um, some of the cast members, where's Grace Lily? They just sort of hedged and were like,

42:14 "Oh, they sort of did that." So, I don't know. Is Grace Lily not coming back to Southern Charm?

42:20 I don't think so. Cuz cuz Bradley from Southern Charm went, "Oh, hey, hey, yeah, yeah, I've heard your show before. Oh, but your girl Grace Lily." [clears throat] And I said, "What does that mean?" and he said, "I'm not saying anything." I said, "I don't care. I know she's a mess. I still love her." And he was like, "Yeah." Yeah. I mean, she was barely on the show this past season and it seemed like she didn't really have strong relationships with anyone and she really she shown Brightest the first season and then she's sort like she's just not I think she did this the saucy thing originally of where she was she was working at the restaurant and then she stepped away because she thought she was a star and uh yeah so she was she was pulled over at a traffic stop at Circle K. I mean, already if you're pulled over at Circle K, it's just rough, you know. And um she had I think it was was it pills? Yeah,

43:12 she had a container that said happy pills written on top. I mean, also like could you be only in cartoons?

43:21 It's like she has a a thing that says TNT on it. She's she's like rolling around a big barrel that says Acme.

43:29 She has a bottle that says XXX. Yeah. Grace Lily. Um, yeah. So, she was charged with secondderee harassment uh at a Circle K at Mount Pleasant, which is so funny to be at arrested in a place called Mount Pleasant. It's so cute. Um, she was arrested, well, she was stopped for an illegal lane change and possible wanted party. Um, and it was right by the Ravvenel Bridge, which is hilarious as well. traffic cameras uh flagged a vehicle near the Ravvenel Bridge, which I don't know. I would not be surprised if those traffic cameras were just Thomas sitting at his plantation, like doing a sliver thing with that bridge, like, "Hey, there's a pretty wife. I'll take her.

44:11 Pull her over. Pull her over." But don't you think it's also hypocritical? Are you even allow Should you even be allowed to be pulled over for drug use next to the Ravvenile Bridge? I mean, isn't that bridge built from cocaine?

44:24 It's built on a lot of bad things, I'll tell you that much. Um, but yeah, the apparently it was Xanax.

44:34 Oh, that's not bad. Oh, well that's great. Everybody should be have that. I don't think you should be in trouble for birth control.

44:42 Well, oh, someone in the comments says that she was arrested for possession of crack back in 2016.

44:48 Crack. I don't know the I don't know the veracity of that, but um yeah, Grace Elite seems like it's a troubled path for her. I feel like she's not gonna be on the next season and maybe like she's now in the next chapter of post reality stardom. Um uh and then other news, Real Housewives of PTO is in Colorado on currently on the show and the big thing that happened last night was that they were went to Angel's house, quote unquote house, which wasn't her house at all, and they had to stay at this cabin. Well, in the wake of this, some people remembered that uh there's footage over from over the summer of the PTOIC cast being caught at the Four Seasons so of Denver. So, what do you think this is, Ronnie? Do you think they actually stayed in that cabin or do you think it was they stayed at the Four Seasons of Denver or maybe it was once the cast wrapped up they went to the Four Seasons of Denver? Cuz I'm

45:45 looking at the video now, they're all there. The whole cast is there. It's dated July 18th. We know that this trip is happening in July.

45:54 Oh, so they all ditched the house. That would be good. That would be funny cuz Angel too much with that whole house.

46:00 They faked. Maybe they pretend. Maybe they didn't sleep in that house. That's sort of like Melissa Gorga. How she didn't sleep in the house for wife swap?

46:06 Oh, so you think they were just faking it and just acting mad but staying there? I don't know. That seems like so much work to like

46:12 seems like it's far away from Denver, too. I think this is probably I'm gonna My guess is that after the cast after the trip was done, they then went down to Denver and had like a nice night in the Four Seasons.

46:22 Yeah, because isn't this near the end of the season? It's got to be. Yeah, I think the season's close to being

46:29 I think it's going to end on vacation. I think the season will end on vacation.

46:32 Yeah. So, maybe they just had a nice ending vacation. I don't know cuz I I figure if it was on the show, they would have hinted to it. It's not like they're huge secret keepers.

46:41 Yeah. In the previews, you know, but I don't know. Um, I have to say this goes uh I don't I don't I don't know. Uh, but I think it would be funny if they ditched Angel's House. I don't I I was about to say I don't care, but I'm trying to stop saying I don't care as much in 2026.

46:56 Not to you just in general. You say I don't know. You say I don't know and I care.

47:01 I don't know. And I'm really trying to care. Does that work? Um, so here's something I do care about. Heather Dubro, one of the biggest

47:11 breadcrumbs. Heather Dro sparks rumors of crossover to Beverly Hills with Diamond Post as husband Terry and fans react. She posted with herself in a really terrible outfit that would not pass on Beverly Hills and says, "Excited for the new year, what the new year may bring. Diamond diamond diamond diamond LFG 2026." And so people are like, "Oh my god, is Heather moving to uh wherever?" And then uh her husband Terry commented, "Diamonds are forever." And she said, "Love you, honey. I heart, heart, heart." I'm going to say this is a tease. I don't think Heather's going to Beverly Hills. I think I think she wants to I think she likes toying with this rumor.

47:57 I think this is really fun, but uh for her, but I think that like ultimately I don't know. She's got OC stink on her. And I think that that that Bravo views Beverly Hills as like their most like prestigious franchise that's like very fancy and even though she's really wealthy and everything. I don't know. That being said, like yeah, I don't know. I I I don't know how she fits in with the people of Beverly Hills. Maybe she would be great on it. I think that she would try to do like Beverly Hills cosplay, but eventually her Heather Doness would come out and then Kyle would be like, "Wow, she was really intense, right?" Like that's kind of weird. She's kind of weird that Heather Dro. I think Kyle would treat her as like a tryhard. Could be a really interesting dynamic, but um

48:39 it could be because you know on OC she acts like she's everyone treats her like oh my god she's a goddess because she's got so much money and they kind of defer to her because she's got all the money and I think on Beverly Hills they would treat her like the poor one

48:53 which I would love. Yeah, I think they would. Even though she's actually like totally, you know, I think she's with everyone.

49:00 Yeah. Not because of money but because she's like the girl from the OC. Yeah. Right. Like like they Exactly. Like she basically came from the new from some other school and joined this new she's like new at the private school, right?

49:11 And they're like they would look down on her like I don't she's not actually poor especially compared to like Dar and Erica and people like that. So it's not like she's really poor but they would treat her like the poor kid. They'd be like oh wow nice Fendi. Where'd you get that? They let you into the store. [clears throat]

49:27 Oh you live next to Drake. Oh well Drake follows some of us so that's that's nice. But I know him. We are good friends. Let me into the circle. Please let me be the one. I can be part of you. Please.

49:39 Drake's over. Drake's over. No. Um, as real, this is this is from reality blurb. As OC fans may have heard, Heather has been facing rumors of a potential exit in recent weeks, especially after Crystal Kung Minkov claimed on her podcast Humble Brag with Cynthia and and Crystal that a cast member had been replaced by Vicki, whose return was confirmed at Bravo. So, I guess Crystal said that she took someone else's orange and

50:06 well, they I just don't see that being Heather. Well, people were people said I thought originally it was that it was what's her face? Um, why am I blanking on her name? You know, Katie Katie Janella. Um, but

50:22 yeah, she's out. Is she officially out? Yeah. Yeah, she's out. Yeah, she's officially out, right?

50:27 Yeah. Um, Katie Janella crappins listener like to add, but uh, we met her. Did we ever say that we met her at BravoCon that we saw her in the four seasons and she was like, "You guys are so funny." And, uh, she's a she's a fan. But alas, she's also now no longer with us on

50:45 the comments are saying, "Please let it be Emily. Please let it be Emily." They are never going to get rid of Emily and Gina. I'm telling you this. They will not get rid of them.

50:53 Maybe Emily. I mean, I don't know. I don't know. Um, okay. We need to get over to talk to some people for the talking to you portion of the show. For everybody listening to this on audio, we're going to end this now and we'll be back in two weeks with more headlines for you. Everybody who's with us on YouTube, uh, stick around and we'll have you on to talk. We love you guys. We'll talk to you soon. Bye

51:17 bye. Okay, Vitch people, I'm going to post a link from Streamyard. Copy this link and come give us a chat. Okay, this is how you do it. This will stay on YouTube. So, if you don't want to be seen and you don't we're not gonna edit this.

51:34 We're too tired. So, just come on here. Only if you're brave. Um, in the meantime, I forgot to mention when we were talking about Grace Lily that Ally Lubber, James Kennedy's ex,

51:46 has left LA and she's moved down to Charleston. And so, it's like very obvious that she's going to try to be on Southern Hospitality. She's even already

51:53 Oh, yeah. We talked about that on Crappy Hour like months ago. Did we girl? Yes.

51:58 But go. Was there anything added to it? I want to know. No, just that she's it's official.

52:03 Aliuba. Yeah. Alli. Ally down there. So, uh, that is the news. I don't know if there were any other notable headlines while we wait for people to come on up. Oh, I actually

52:15 Let's see. There's Meredith Marx's um what she charges for an appearance fee. Have you read this? This is good.

52:21 $65,000, girl. 65 grand. Okay. Wow. She is uh real legend on X shared details regarding her alleged charges. Um 65,000 combined appearance fee plus first class travel accommodations, hair and makeup. And the deal included two appearances with a spa anniversary and an evening at an LGBTQ plus event up to 60 minutes each. a professional meet and greet with photos and a name and image used for event promotion. Uh what wasn't included were social media post, press interviews, and product endorsement, which cost between 8,000 to 15,000 depending on usage. Damn, Meredith, get your money.

53:07 Wow. Uh that's that is crazy. All right. Well, we have someone here to bring on up and to chat with. We've got Morgan. Should we bring up the Morgan?

53:17 Morgan, what's going on? Hi. Hi. How's it going, my friends? Good. How you doing?

53:24 Great. I'm so good. I just love talking to you, so thought I would love having you. What's up today?

53:32 Um, I wanted to talk about Wicked. So, did you talk about it during this crappy hour and I missed it?

53:41 No. Wicked. Oh, no. Yeah, Wicked. The part two. Did we see it? Yeah. Yeah, I saw it. You saw it, right?

53:46 I see it. Yes, of course. Yes. Tell I want to know your thoughts and then I want to tell you about the experience I had over New Year's watching them both back toback.

53:54 Okay. I loved it. I thought it was great. I didn't love it at first because it was like all group numbers and I was like I don't think I'm going to like this. But then it got really good. I thought it for some reason the energy seems so dead when it's a group number. It seemed weird to me. But loved it once it got going. I thought it was so good. So beautiful.

54:11 I'm so I liked it. I liked it. I felt like um I felt like it wasn't as good as the first one. I also felt like this, you know, the two new songs that they added really kind of slowed down the pacing because I felt like the show like the the story is like ramping up. We're heading to a climax and we have to stop so Ariana Grande could like walk around her bedroom.

54:35 I'm not showing Oh, no. Really? Well, there was I thought it was just like too many ballads and I would have liked just be a little tighter unfortunately. But like it was still good. I enjoyed it. It just was like very plotty. It just had to like get from one beat to the next to the next to the next. Wasn't like a lot of them to read.

54:50 It's you you can't hear us. Darn. Okay. You can hear me. So, I'm sorry to cut you off if I am cutting you off. The only thing I want to say is I everyone in my world really hated Wicked part two because the second half of half of Wicked is much worse than the the first half of Wicked. kind of objectively

55:08 watching them back to back like straight through was one of the it was so wonderful. Uh they flow unbelievably and uh it felt like a masterpiece. Oh my god, I feel like so such a loser saying that. It was just really great.

55:25 I loved it too. I thought [clears throat] better than either one. Oh, good. Okay. Well, see you later so much. I love that. Um, yeah. I mean, I I thought that too. Like I had to I sort of thought like I bet if they watch them back toback it's much better because the second one just doesn't feel like a standalone movie. Like you there's a lot of stuff that was built up in the first one that you know over the course of a year you're like what was that again? You know anyway. Oh yeah. I mean I I loved it. Um okay let's go to Spiffy.

55:56 Spiffy what are you doing? I am Greek. I'm making soup. Oh, nice. Good. I'm making Greek soup. No. Um, okay. First, I wanted to say because I'm in Tahoe, that's why I'm all I just got back from a dog walk, but um do you remember talking about that Greek restaurant that's also in Texas?

56:17 Yes. Artemis. Artemis. Yeah. And so I went there um Christmas, not Christmas Eve, but the day before. And I wanted to tell them about it, but I was trying to find the clip. I could not find it. But it was so funny. But I was just curious why you guys didn't cover Mormon Wives because it's been kind of like boring. Bravo lately.

56:37 There was just so much going on on Bravo and those come out. Every episode comes out. So if we if we did every episode, it loses

56:46 steam. You know what I mean? Cuz like 10 weeks later, people have already seen it all. Right.

56:50 Also, after I watched it, I watched it late. So I watched it late. And honestly, I don't want to cover that. It's too much. It's too dark. It's like

56:59 it's just not fun. It's not It's not fun making jokes about like sexual assault and you know like it just is too it was too it's too dark for me for me. But it was a good watch. What did you think about it?

57:12 I mean I guess I'm going to agree. I was definitely annoyed by the reunion. You know how we always say like there should only be like two reunion shows. They needed two or three. I don't think

57:24 they covered enough. And I don't think um our Stacey got the justice that she deserves for like being a good interviewer, but overall it was pretty good. Um

57:33 they shut down the whole show for the guy to have his say. I was like, "Fuck that. I don't ridiculous."

57:40 Yes, he's a piece of [ __ ] and I don't understand like he should not even be on the show or at least the reunion part of it. But I do like Whitney more now because she was so honest about what she wanted. And I think that's kind of like the consensus among most fans,

57:58 you know? Yeah. She's like honestly thirsty. She's just like, "I'm thirsty and I don't care. I'm going to get this and I'm going to get that. I don't even want to talk to you [ __ ] except that I'm famous now and I have to." I mean, you got to respect somebody's game when they're honest, right?

58:11 Exactly. So, but anyways, you guys should come to Tabo. I would love to come there. We have to come up with a roof, darling.

58:18 Yeah, you do. It's pretty good. It's, you know, it's a Vanderpump restaurant, but it's the prettiest out of all of them.

58:24 Yeah, we'd love to see it. Maybe we'll make it up there. Well, good to talk to you, lady. Happy New Year.

58:29 You, too. Happy New Year. Warm up over there. Okay, let's say hello to Miss Shannon Pringle. Where'd you go, Shannon?

58:38 Back here. Hi. I'm cooking still again. again. I'm I'm gonna put my old Well, I'm always cooking whenever you guys do this when I get on.

58:45 I know. You were making pizza. I wanted to talk about uh the whole I mean, I hate to bring her up because she's annoying, but the whole angel eviction thing. What I think is happening is obviously I have an Airbnb. So, I recognize the little message they sent to the person. Well, obviously she had an Airbnb booked through whatever date and it's the whole thing where she was trying to only be there for the show and she didn't book it long enough and then they had people booked for the next little [snorts] bit of time. And I don't know why she wouldn't just go get a hotel and just be like, "Oh, well, I screwed up my things wherever." So, I don't know why she's being weirdly cy about it, but

59:27 I don't know. And it's totally not her picture. I don't know if anybody noticed when they showed whoever was talking to her on the phone and they showed the little picture that uh Angel I guess has of herself on the um what's it called? Uh the iPhone is totally another catfish picture. That's not the same woman.

59:48 I was going to say we forgot to mention that but it's I can't hear Ben at all. I don't know. I can only hear Ronnie.

59:54 Oh no. And the same thing happened to me as the other girl. like at the exact same time the sound cut out for me and then I can hear then you came back all of a sudden but I don't hear Ben so sorry if I ignored you Ben because I couldn't hear you.

1:00:07 No, it's okay. It's okay. Oh, well he was saying that he noticed that in the show but forgot to bring it up in the recap.

1:00:13 Yeah. Um but yeah, that's just my little uh two cents there. But yeah, I don't know why she probably was an Airbnb and she was just embarrassed to admit that it was an Airbnb because, you know, she wanted to look like she was trying to make an effort at longterming it or whatever.

1:00:28 I mean, you admitted you're renting the house, so who freaking cares? I don't know. They're so weird on that show. How they judge her, too. They'd be like an Airbnb. How dare you? You know, you never know. But thanks a lot, Shannon. Good to talk to you. And thanks to everybody for being with us. It's so good to be back with you guys. Happy New Year to everybody. We'll be back in a couple of weeks and we'll see you over on the regular stream for 9 million recaps this week. We'll see you over there.

1:00:51 Bye bye.

Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "Crappy Hour 1/5/26: Catty Cults"?

Shannon Bador (Guest), Mo [Surname], e.g., Mo [LastName] (full identifying context needed) (Guest).

What is discussed in "Crappy Hour 1/5/26: Catty Cults"?

In order: 0:00 Ashley Tisdale, Steve Gutenberg, Steve Guttenberg, Shannon Bador; 10:00 Beverly Hills, Mary Cosby, New Year, Vanderpump Rules; 20:00 Mary Cosby, Mauricio, Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Kyle Richards; 30:00 St. Barts, St. Barts, Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Bethenny Frankel; 40:00 Beverly Hills, Grace Lily, Circle K, Crystal Kung Minkov; 50:00 Wicked, New Year, Meredith Marx, Meredith Marx; 1:00:00 New Year, Airbnb.

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109 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Mary Cosby, Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, Shannon Bador, Kyle Richards, Ashley Tisdale, Steve Gutenberg. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Crappy Hour 1/5/26: Catty Cults"?

The episode runs 1 h 1 min; the transcript is about 12,582 words in 197 timestamped sections.

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