Transcript

Married To Medicine S12E09 + Karen Huger Interview: MiraMarred Intentions and Huger Hubris

From Watch What Crappens · Episode page · Watch on YouTube

· 1 h 21 min · 16,525 words · 218 timestamped sections

This is the full, timestamped transcript of "Married To Medicine S12E09 + Karen Huger Interview: MiraMarred Intentions and Huger Hubris", an episode of Watch What Crappens published February 9, 2026 (1 h 21 min, about 16,525 words). It mentions 40 people, works and ideas, including Karen Huger, Married to Medicine, Alcoholism, Ben Mandelker, Jail.

What this episode is about

The content focuses on the latest happenings in Season 12 of "Married to Medicine," highlighting key moments from the current episode, as well as featuring an interview with Karen Huger. The discussion also emphasizes upcoming events, such as live streams and the Golden Crappy Awards nominations, while encouraging audience engagement through platforms like Patreon.

Key takeaways

  • Karen's post-jail antics prove that a dramatic exit can be as theatrical as a grand entrance.
  • Revisiting memorable moments reminds us that reality TV is a time capsule of absurdity we often forget.
  • The dynamic between Karen and fans raises a question: does celebrity alter our interactions or just amplify them?
  • Raven's childlike portrayal highlights the irony of growing up in a circus of reality TV.
  • Karen's 'lip swish' technique is an art form; who knew self-care could look so delightfully peculiar?

Who speaks in this episode?

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 10:00: Watch What Crappins, Crappy Hour, Jail, Patreon
  2. – 20:00: Alcoholism, Cody Garrett, PTOAC, Addiction
  3. – 30:00: Alcoholism, Legal Seafood, Karen Huger, Real Housewives
  4. – 40:00: sober, Alcoholism, Married to Medicine, reunion
  5. – 50:00: Eugene, Married to Medicine, Myiramar Beach, Florida
  6. – 1:00:00: Mark & Mini Cecil, Myiramar Beach, Eugene, Mr. President
  7. – 1:10:00: Brandy, Married to Medicine, Mimi, Florida
  8. – 1:20:00: Myiramar Beach, Eugene, Mimi, Ephesians
  9. – 1:21:08: Watch What Crappins, Crappy Hour, Crystal Kung Minkoff, Real Housewives

Notable quotes from "Married To Medicine S12E09 + Karen Huger Interview: MiraMarred Intentions and Huger Hubris"

  • Welcome to Watch What Crappins. To get our videos as soon as they're released instead of waiting for a week, head over to our Patreon. That's also where you'll find our bonus.
    about Watch What Crappins · at
  • And then tonight on Crappy Hour, we've got Crystal Kung Mink from the Hubble Brag podcast. So excited to talk to her.
    about Crappy Hour · at
  • But it wasn't really like enough for a full recap. Could you imagine? And then Karen was I'm an alcoholic, but I don't want to say it. we it's not this doesn't really have the…
    about Karen Huger · at
  • Well, housewife children always go through some weird time warp where we see them in one season going off to college and there's lots of cries and tears and then the next season it's like.
    about Real Housewives · at
  • And the way that she worded like it's not really alcoholism I don't call it that I call it you know she's trying to say it's like the pills which were Prozac and stuff like…
    about Alcoholism · at
  • And there's some drama with Wendy because, Andy was saying, well, Wendy was upset that you didn't say anything to her.
    about reunion · at
  • It'll be great and sober and I'm sure she'll have some words.
    about sober · at
  • Yes. So, with that being said, let's let's let's shift on down the schedule into Marriage to Medicine, where I don't know if you read the news today, Ronnie, but we have some tragic developments in the world of.
    about Married to Medicine · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • Karen Huger — Person · Primary referenced subject (interviewee being recapped) · 2 mentions · first at
    The episode opens by recapping her post-jail sit-down with Andy, focusing on accountability, substance use framing, and her family dynamics.
  • Ben Mandelker — Person · Co-host · 1 mention · first at
    Co-host of Watch What Crappins; provides analysis and comedic framing, including the Tuft House identification and discussion of sobriety dynamics.
    Crapins a podcast for all the crap we love to talk about on ye old braves. I'm Ronnie and that over there it's a very handsome Ben and well quafted Ben Mandelker. Hello Ben.
  • Crystal Kung Minkoff — Person · Promoted guest (upcoming appearance) · 2 mentions · first at
    Announced as the featured guest for Crappy Hour; used to entice listeners to join the live show.
    And then tonight on Crappy Hour, we've got Crystal Kung Mink from the Hubble Brag podcast. So excited to talk to her.
  • Eugene — Person · Referenced person · 4 mentions · first at
    Mentioned in the context of the Marriage to Medicine show and his relationship with the cast.
    Was really funny. It just was like cuz I feel like everything we know about Eugene and the boys is that they're all adorable nerds in the best way. Meaning that it seems like…
  • Mr. President — Person · Referenced person · 2 mentions · first at
    Mentioned in the context of his breakup with Quad on Marriage to Medicine.
    Quad and King, they had done they broke up.
  • Mark & Mini Cecil — Person · Referenced person · 2 mentions · first at
    Mentioned in the context of the Marriage to Medicine show and his relationship with the cast.
    To say right now he's slurring and I think he's drunk. Not that I really blame him, but I don't think we've ever seen a scene with Cecil without a drink in his hand this…
  • Mimi — Person · Supporting cast member discussed (trip participant / moderator) · 2 mentions · first at
    In the Married to Medicine recap, she comments on logistics (rooms, balloons, gnats) and tries to moderate Toya/Heavenly during arguments.
    This is where they play their balloon game. So, she brings out all these inflated balloons and Mimi's does she have a helium tank in her room? Where did they come from?
  • Cody Garrett — Person · Referenced person · 2 mentions · first at
    Mentioned in the context of Karen's interview and her family dynamics.
    Wow. Yeah. He just like Andy could not stop staring at Garrett's son. It was so funny. Yeah. So, he's there and Andy's Why do you want to be on TV? He's.
  • Steve King — Person · Referenced person · 2 mentions · first at
    Mentioned in the context of the Marriage to Medicine show and his relationship with the cast.
    Men loafing about. So we go to Steve first and he is watching his kids as they fight and he's like when is she back? And then here's what I was amused by. We cut to Eugene and he's there with.
  • Brandy — Person · Referenced person · 2 mentions · first at
    Mentioned in the context of the Marriage to Medicine show and her interactions with the cast.
    Like I don't understand why she's so angry with me. And Brandy goes, well, do you understand now that the implications when you use certain words like hostile?
  • Chef Christopher Hullbrook — Person · Referenced person · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned in the context of the Marriage to Medicine show and the girls' trip dinner.
    Contessa's Chef, can you introduce yourself? And this guy comes out. He's Hey, my name is Chef Christopher Hullbrook. I've been chef of the year down here for the past 10…
  • Martha Stewart — Person · Referenced person · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned in the context of discussing wealthy women's experiences in jail.
    Wealthy women. Look at all these wealthy women who come out happy from jail. Well, that's true, but I mean it's it's Well, I'm trying to think of someone not healthy.

Companies & orgs

  • Amazon — Company · Promoted platform · 2 mentions · first at
    Mentioned in the context of promoting Amazon Live as a platform for the podcast's content.
    Super exciting Monday because Amazon live is now going daytime people. We're at 1:30 p.m. Pacific time. So that's coming up today, right now, in a minute.
  • Legal Seafood — Company · Referenced company · 3 mentions · first at
    Mentioned in the context of Karen's past behavior and the discussion about her alcoholism.
    Could you maybe have gotten like a lobster? at least something. We know she liked legal seafood. At least get some like clams or something like I think you could do more than a little balloon Ray.
  • Hubble Brag — Company · Referenced media · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned in the context of the podcast's content and upcoming guests.
    And then tonight on Crappy Hour, we've got Crystal Kung Mink from the Hubble Brag podcast. So excited to talk to her.

Products & tech

  • Tuft House — Product · Recommended activity/venue for rug-tufting · 1 mention · first at
    Identified as the likely rug-making/tufting place referenced in the Eugene-and-kids scene; framed as a potential date-night activity.
    Figured it out. I think the place I went to was called Tuft House and I just sent you a link. There's a place in Los Angeles where we can go do this and it is rug making. It's…

Concepts & topics

  • Alcoholism — Concept · Core topic · 7 mentions · first at
    Discussed in the context of Karen's interview about her struggles and the implications for her future on the show.
  • Jail — Concept · Key argument · 3 mentions · first at
    Karen's experience in jail is a central topic of her interview and the discussion about her return to the show.
    Sure. But today we are going to be doing a bit of a twofor one special on the podcast because we've got Karen's big interview, her jail house interview, postJ jail house…
  • Addiction — Concept · Core topic · 1 mention · first at
    Discussed in relation to Karen's personal struggles and her perspective on her issues with substances.
    And the way that she worded like it's not really alcoholism I don't call it that I call it you know she's trying to say it's like the pills which were Prozac and stuff like…
  • sober — Concept · Key argument · 4 mentions · first at
    Discussed in the context of Karen's future on the show and the challenges of maintaining sobriety in a social environment.
  • Ephesians — Concept · Referenced concept · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned in the context of Heavenly's reading and her perspective on her political campaign.
    Verse do you have today? And Heaven is Well, I've been reading the book of Ephesians. these species tell you who you are and not dealing with people and dealing with spirits…

Places & events

  • reunion — Event · Referenced event · 3 mentions · first at
    Mentioned in the context of Karen's interview and the dynamics between the cast members.
  • Myiramar Beach — Place · Setting · 3 mentions · first at
    The location for the girls' trip on Marriage to Medicine, where much of the episode's drama unfolds.
    Some level that King was not the one for her. So that was the big goss that dropped today. But for marriage to medicine though, we are still in the Florida panhandle at…
  • Salt Lake City — Place · Referenced location · 2 mentions · first at
    Mentioned in the context of the Real Housewives franchise and its impact on the Golden Crappy Awards nominations.
    So many funny moments that I've forgotten about. it's it's just crazy. We get to this part of the year and right now all we can think about is Salt Lake City and PTOAC. like that was like a large number of the suggestions come from those.
  • Golden Crappy Awards — Event · Promoted event · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned as an upcoming event with nominations and live stream tickets being made available.
    The Patreon, guys. the newsletter and the crappy hours are all free. So go over there and we are putting up the nominations for Golden Crappy Awards.
  • Florida — Place · Referenced location · 5 mentions · first at
    Mentioned in the context of Karen's family dynamics and potential relocation.
    And that's that's okay. I give you my blessing. just give me a heads up because tickets are to Florida are really expensive and then the sooner I can get ahead of that more…
  • PTOAC — Place · Referenced location · 2 mentions · first at
    Mentioned in relation to the Real Housewives franchise and its influence on the podcast's content.
    This part of the year and right now all we can think about is Salt Lake City and PTOAC. like that was like a large number of the suggestions come from those shows. But the…
  • Hollywood — Place · Referenced location · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned in the context of an upcoming event related to the podcast.
    Those go up this week as well as the live stream tickets. You can buy those coming up Wednesday the 4th. if you want to come see us in Hollywood, there are a few tickets left still over at watchcrapins.com.
  • Los Angeles — Place · Referenced location · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned in the context of a potential activity related to the podcast.
    Figured it out. I think the place I went to was called Tuft House and I just sent you a link. There's a place in Los Angeles where we can go do this and it is rug making. It's…
  • Atlanta — Place · Referenced location · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned in the context of Chef Christopher Hullbrook's background.
    So, Quad's Where are you from? Your accent is ridiculous. And he's Well, I'm actually born in Atlanta. I was on the south. I'm a southside boy. You better watch out.

Media & podcasts

  • Married to Medicine — Media · Main topic · 3 mentions · first at
    The show is discussed in detail, including the dynamics between the cast members and recent events.
  • Real Housewives — Media · Referenced media · 4 mentions · first at
    Mentioned in the context of discussing the franchise and its various locations and cast members.
  • Real Housewives of Salt Lake City — Media · Referenced media · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned in the context of discussing the franchise and its impact on the Golden Crappy Awards nominations.
    Yeah. To get to know the new people, etc. But yeah, I thought I was going to have time to like chill from the reunion, but there it's okay, here's fights from months ago. Go talk about them again.
  • Hubble Brag — Media · Referenced media · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned in the context of the podcast's content and upcoming guests.
    And then tonight on Crappy Hour, we've got Crystal Kung Mink from the Hubble Brag podcast. So excited to talk to her.
  • Below Deck Down Under — Media · Referenced media · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned in the context of upcoming content and the podcast's schedule.
    Yeah. Fun episode. And we will be back, man, with the season premiere of Below Duck Down Under. And it is already Real Housewives of Salt Lake City time on that show. I thought we'd have a couple.

Sponsors

  • Watch What Crappins — Product · Primary show being promoted (the podcast itself) · 3 mentions · first at
    The hosts promote their distribution channels (Patreon, videos, bonus episodes, Discord) and position the episode as a two-for-one recap.
  • Crappy Hour — Product · Owned live show segment being promoted · 3 mentions · first at
    Promoted as a YouTube live event happening that night, featuring Crystal Kung Minkoff; used as a call-to-action to drive audience to Patreon/YouTube.
  • Patreon — Company · Sponsor · 2 mentions · first at
    Promoted as a platform for exclusive content and community engagement related to the podcast.
    Our videos as soon as they're released instead of waiting for a week, head over to our Patreon. That's also where you'll find our bonus episodes and our Discord community. We love you guys.
  • Amazon Live — Company · Promoted platform · 2 mentions · first at
    Promoted as a platform for live content related to the podcast.
    Super exciting Monday because Amazon live is now going daytime people. We're at 1:30 p.m. Pacific time. So that's coming up today, right now, in a minute.
  • YouTube — Company · Promoted platform · 1 mention · first at
    Mentioned as a platform for live content and community engagement related to the podcast.
    Come talk to us over on YouTube live.

Full transcript with timestamps

Welcome to Watch What Crappins. To get our videos as soon as they're released instead of waiting for a week, head over to our Patreon. That's also where you'll find our bonus episodes and our Discord community. We love you guys. Well, hello and welcome to watch what crapins a podcast for all the crap we love to talk about on ye old braves. I'm Ronnie and that over there it's a very handsome Ben and well quafted Ben Mandelker. Hello Ben.

Hi Ronnie. How's it going? Good. Happy Monday buddy. Happy Monday. Super exciting Monday because Amazon live is now going daytime people. We're at 1:30 p.m. Pacific time. So that's coming up today, right now, in a minute. And then tonight on Crappy Hour, we've got Crystal Kung Mink from the Hubble Brag podcast. So excited to talk to her. Come talk to us over on YouTube live. You can find it on our Patreon. It's a free post. That's also where you find our newsletter, our bonus episodes that are covering traders right now. All of our videos and adree listening. It's all the Patreon, guys. the newsletter and the um the crappy hours are all free. So go over there and we are putting up the nominations for Golden Crappy Awards.

Those go up this week as well as the live stream tickets. You can buy those coming up Wednesday the 4th. Um if you want to come see us in Hollywood, there are a few tickets left still over at watchcrapins.com. That's February 27th. We're so excited. Kai, I hope we see all of you there.

Yeah, that's going to be great. Can't wait for this ballot to come together. Um I was looking over everything that people have submitted over the past um you know, two weeks or so and there are so many funny moments that I've forgotten about. Like, you know, it's it's just crazy. We you know, we get to this part of the year and right now all we can think about is Salt Lake City and PTOAC. like that was like a large number of the suggestions come from those shows. But the truth is that The Valley had such an amazing season and and Summerhouse too and they're just all these things from 9 months ago that we just blatantly forget about and it's so fun revisiting them all um with everyone's suggestions. So, you know, we're going to get the sorting house out after this and we're going to get some the categories ready and um it's going to be a fun one this year, that's for sure. But today we are going to be doing

um a bit of a twofor one special on the podcast because we've got Karen's big interview, her jail house interview, postJ jail house meaning jail, house interview and uh Marit to Medicine. You know, the Karen interview was really fun to watch. It was really interesting. Uh but it wasn't really like enough for a full recap. Could you imagine? And then Karen was like, I'm an alcoholic, but I don't want to say it. I mean, we it's not this doesn't really have the it's just not quite like the recap stuff, but um we definitely want to talk about it.

Why? Um so, we could subject you guys to that, but you know, let's let's all do ourselves a favor today. Yeah. So, basically, we open this Karen interview with her coming out of jail, which we saw last week at the end of the finale. um her coming out of jail and just wearing, you know, like a scarf on her head and looking traumatized from wearing acid wash jeans. And then um in the car ride, she's like, "What? Roll down the window. Roll down the window." And he rolls it down with the GoPro on there. It's like, "Hello. Hello, purple panda pants. It's me, Karen. I'll see you at the tally ho, darling."

And then rolled it back up and was like, "I hope that was enough. I hope that was enough for the throngs of fans who appeared to say hello to me. Now, Queen Garen Hugo,

roll it up. Roll it up. Okay, roll it down. Roll it down. No, no, no. I don't like this person. Roll it back up again. Okay, roll it halfway. Halfway

cookies there. Cookies there. Cookie. Cookie. Do we have a cookie for cookie? No. Okay, roll it up. Roll it up. Oh. Oh, wait. Look, there's the man from the tali ho. He's got a waffle. Okay, roll it down just slightly so we can insert the waffle through. But I don't have to talk to him. Thank you very much.

I didn't realize how much I missed Karen's everpsing lips until I saw them again. I mean, it's another character on that show. You know, we missed Karen this season and we also missed the pursing constant pursing always got like a little bit of hair in the front of her teeth or like so maybe something's coming out of her nose. She's like her deep thoughts lip purse. Love it.

Yes, it's classic. So, it's not really a purse, is it? A purse is like What would you call this? It's um It's just like forever getting a piece of forever getting an herb out of your tooth.

Maybe like a lip swish. Yeah. Swish. Swish. Like you're doing the the mouthwash in the front of your teeth.

Yeah. It's like a posterior. I can't [clears throat] stop staring at myself making doing that.

You're like, I've missed it all season, so I have to I have to make up for it. I'm gonna get an entire season of lip switches in here.

So, uh, Rey and Raven and Karen's sister Bridget are at the house waiting. Uh, and they're just all sitting there. Uh, you know, and Ray is like, "Well, I'm assuming she's just going to open the door." And Raven's like, "Make an entrance. I mean, she's not going to ring the bell or nothing. I mean, I don't ring the bell to my own house, right?" Imagine if Karen just came flying through the window like, "Well, that was a surprise. I mean, all our bets were on you coming through the door down the chimney like Santa Claus. Ray,

when did we put real wood in here? Ray, since when? Um, is it me? Do you feel like now that Raven has grown up, she's playing a child?

She's she seems like she seems kind of like an actress in a play playing a child. Like someone who's too old to be in the role and she's like, "Mommy, mommy, I miss you."

She's just got that energy of like a theater kid. like a Gabriella Carter sort of thing. I think that's such

Yeah, like she was cast in Glee, but she's 30. That's such a good call. Like she's like a big bow in her hair like I'm ready for bedtime, mommy.

I miss you so much, Mommy. Yeah. So, she's there. So funny. It's such a specific description and it's so accurate.

Yeah, cuz I just can't believe she's so grown up now. I was looking at p someone posted pictures of her like uh influencing or whatever and I was like when did she become a little lady you know and kind of like

like a young Ray doing influencer work. Well, housewife children always go through some weird time warp where we see them in one season going off to college and there's lots of cries and tears and then the next season it's like well now that they're graduated. I'm like how did that happen? It's been nine months but they somehow graduated college already. somehow, but the timelines between, you know, when the show is shot, when it airs, etc. Especially because like these shows don't always come back on the air an exact one year later. But in our mind, it's like, well, it's been it's been two seasons, but really three years have passed and they're just like, what? So now Raven is like 46 years old and we're like, wait a second.

Yeah. But um Raven, they're happy. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Yes, I was saying that she's complimenting Ray's little flowers that that she got. She goes, "Oh my god, I love She's gonna love that. Oh, and the balloons, too." And oh my god, oh, you got the sign. And she tells her aunt like, "Yeah, you know, every holiday dad prints out this fancy 2000s font every time. Just a all caps aerial font with medium weight. I don't know why he loves that font, but he I know we call him the black Bill Gates, but like he really is attached to those Microsoft Word fonts, isn't he?

Dad, aren't you? I faxed it. It's just like very slowly coming up. The sign is actually two pieces of paper. The first is a cover sheet.

Yeah. It's like one of two. You have to like scroll it. You have to peel it off to see the actual welcome home sign.

Yeah. So, he's done that. And he's done the husband gift of flowers, which means he did something wrong, you know? So, that's interesting. And I mean, it's cute and everything, but he's basically like, "A [ __ ] Karen's home." I was surprised he was even here. People were like, "What? How come he didn't go to the jail to pick Karen up?" A. Karen probably didn't want that. She probably wanted a solo scene to wave at her fans. B. You're lucky he wasn't in Florida. I thought he'd be gone the second she was in in jail. He would be in Florida.

Now, I don't know what the policies are of picking someone up at jail, but I know the jail has very strict rules about every single thing. And so, I would not be surprised if the policy was that one person could pick you up out of the jail house. And she's like, or I want that to be my stylist. I'm

I choose blue eyes. I choose blue eyes. The blue eyes. Actually, it was probably there probably is a limitation of how many people it can be. So, you needed someone there to mic her up. You needed someone there to style her. That was it.

She's like, "Well, unfortunately, Ray, you're not going to help me be TV ready, so you'll have to stay home and wait for me. I'll see you soon. Keep the window open."

Yeah. So, she has her hair in braids. And um she tells them that the girls in jail were so sweet to her and they didn't want her to leave without hair. So, they all took part of their own hair, their own extensions, and put it on her, which is so sweet. It's like community.

I don't know. It's like It's very It's like a can drive. It's like a can drive but hair just like anyone who likes Karen just leave some hair in a box. We'll braid it onto her head.

Well, it's like when I see Chicago, I'm like, I know jails aren't really like that, but then when Karen tells that story, I'm like, are the jails like that? Were they all doing like the tango in there and being like giving you like here's a lock of hair, lock of hair for your man? Like I just imagine was a part of a big musical number that just never made it into the actual Yeah.

It's female jails, women, you know, it's because it's [ __ ] women. Thank god, you know, thank God for women. And people always wonder why gay guys only want to hang out with women. This is why. Okay.

This is why. Cuz women know how to take care of each other. Look at all the women we've seen to go go to jail,

not only on Bravo, but in the past decade. Look at We've seen a lot, right? They come out happy. They all come out like I have the they have great stories. They've got friends. Martha Stewart had ponchos. Teresa learned yoga or some [ __ ] I mean, they all know they all have great stories. The guys come out not knowing when they're farting anymore and being traumatized. That's how the

I want to go to jail. Wealthy women. Look at all these wealthy women who come out happy from jail. Um

Well, that's true, but I mean it's it's Well, I'm trying to think of someone not healthy.

I have to imagine. I have to imagine based on gross generalizations and stereotypes that like women in jail like there's it's probably rough and tumble but also like there's probably a level of nurturing that that you know us men are that's just for the man it's going to be like butt [ __ ] like here

straight up knock out your teeth before you leave. Let's butt [ __ ] one more time.

It's like knock out your teeth to make my to make my sex smoother. Just be done with it, you know? But yeah, and women take care of each other. And yeah, and not to disregard the privilege that goes into that obviously, but yeah.

Well, but I mean, Carol was actually not she was not at Camp Cupcake or anything like that. Like she was doing real time.

She was in Canada. But I do agree. I think I mean, let's let's be honest, women are better than men at all times, right? Like we acknowledge that, right? We acknowledge and we understand it and we accept it. Um but Karen's like, "Yes, they put the braids in. It's like it's just so beautiful. It's so beautiful." Now, um, give me a give me about 35 minutes while I go tear these things out and get a shower. Karen trying so hard to to uh to to say how beautiful it is while in her mind she's like, I have other women's hair in my head right now.

Please let me erase this experience. I am ready to put an end to it. Thank you. I'm going to go soak in disinfectant. I'll be back. So she goes up and uh the soaks and then uh oh and she's telling Ry, "Oh Ry, we finally got to date again in prison. Just me and Ray."

Mhm. Which I don't know. I think she's got like the Lisa Barlo amount that she listens to Ry. This like forced her to not be on a phone or, you know, scrolling or, you know, drunk and had to like just sit there and like stare at Ray across the glass, you know.

And Ray is like, "Well, you look great. Welcome home, by the way. We got you a little balloon and some flowers." Oh, thanks, Ray, for the little balloon. Could you maybe have gotten like a lobster? I mean, at least something. We know she liked legal seafood. At least get some like clams or something like I think you could do more than a little balloon Ray.

I felt I felt so too. I thought it was kind of a lame gift. I mean, you know, it's not like you're supposed to be rewarded coming out of jail, but I mean, something, you know? I mean, you get your teeth pulled and you get a [ __ ] Frosty at least. I mean, something.

Get a big balloon. Something. Raven's like, "Mom, before I do my social studies homework, I want to point out that dad printed out his font. You know, his favorite font, that one." Did they just show the thing again? It's like, "Welcome home." All caps a font.

Yeah. And she's like, "Well, Ray still has inkjet. That's good to know." Ray. Wow. Me and Ray dating again. Me and Ray. It was fun watching you try to do Morse code on the window. I remember just having to say, "Ray, it's a phone. It's a telephone." Well, I hadn't seen one like that in so long. What do you mean we still have one like that in our kitchen? Ray recorded. I just remember season one ragging on everything in Karen and Ray's house because it was all the oldfashioned version like the fax machines and the what was the other thing?

It was like corded phones and it was everything. A laser disc player. Yeah. But

okay. So Andy comes over which is big for Andy to come all the way to PTOAC and drive you know.

I know. Yeah. So he he comes and he doesn't look thrilled. He's like, "Hey, Karen, I have children, so let's get this over with." All right.

Yeah. So he he walks in and he says, "Hi." And everyone's like, "Hey, how are you?" Wow. Let me lay my friends. So Karen makes her like she's all that entrance down the staircase. Like I was expecting to hear the kiss me. Like she doesn't have the sungl she doesn't have the the glasses anymore in the braids. She's like pretty and so um sorry not to say that braids make you unprett. I'm just saying like glam.

I know I know that sounded so wrong. I apologize. Um but she's all glammed up and everything. She comes down and like whoa. Wow. Good to see you're home. You are home right now. Wow. This is your home, right? Are you renting it? Well, don't make me cry, Andy. Don't make me cry. I did my face for you little [ __ ] We just All the ladies in the jail gave me one eyelash and I've stuck them into my eyes right now. So when you look at me, you're looking at a sisterhood. Sisterhood eyelashes. Andy, have a seat. I've set it all up for us.

Before they go into the living room, though, they go into the dining room and Karen's son is there. And Karen's son is like a good-looking guy. And Andy's like, "Hey, whoa, who is that? Whoa. Why have you been hiding from our cameras? Whoa, get over here." So, was it like when your mom was gone? Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Did you have to do a lot of push-ups? Hey, how's you been working out a lot? Let's see your progress. Okay, you want to take off that shirt right now? Okay. All right. Well, it looks like our time is done here, Karen.

Great interview. Wow. Karen left for County Jail and she came back to Boner Town. Wow.

Yeah. He just like Andy could not stop staring at Garrett's son. It was so funny.

Um Yeah. So, he's there and Andy's like, "Why do you want to be on TV?" He's like, "Um, cuz you ruin lives. Thanks. Thanks for asking. Would you like would you I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I don't have anything to offer you. Would you like to eat this piece of paper with 2020 font on it? Please make yourself out. So, we get started with this interview. I mean, I think for the most part, without getting too granular, I didn't really know what to expect. And by that, I mean, of course, I knew exactly what to expect. She gave a little bit more than I thought she would. I figured Karen would just show up with zero accountability at all. You can tell she's been told like, "Karen, you got to take some accountability.

There's no escaping this." And she's very much like, "Here I am. Me, Karen Huga, ready to take accountability." Whatever this. Okay, fine. Let's do this. Am I an alcoholic? Of course not. Of course I'm not an alcoholic. I have a disease called addiction to pills that are prescribed only by a doctor for happiness, Andy. Because, you know, I've gone through trauma. I've gone through trauma, Andy. I was like,

yeah, it was that's a bad start. Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I I was okay with it. Like, I thought that she was fairly accountable. I mean, look, we've seen Karen on on the air for like 10 years, and this is a woman who's never been even close to accountable for anything she's ever done, right? It's always a very slippery answer for everything. So, she was, I think, being pretty upfront and acknowledging things that like in the her last season, she was literally not even able to address without having some sort of meltdown. So the fact that she was

what I'm what I mean is that she you know the way that she worded it you know and the way the way that she worded like it's not really alcoholism I don't call it that I call it you know she's trying to say it's like the pills which were Prozac and stuff like that they were anti-depressants which can you know I did my some research on it people can abuse those but generally they don't I mean generally you abuse you abuse alcohol and and drugs I mean prescription cription drug, sure, but not like Prozac type things. But it has been done. But the fact that she's like holding on to that because she doesn't want to say she's an alcoholic. And I kind of understand that. You know, it's kind of the Shannon Bedor thing of not really wanting to say

you're an alcoholic because you are in a world where everybody's drinking. And once you say you're an alcoholic, that's it. I mean, you're unless you're Craig Conover, right? Which case you can do whatever you want, but generally you say you're an alcoholic and that's it. So, I was a little worried at the beginning of this that she was going to start skirting around and using language that not only kind of gives her an excuse because she's like, "Well, I had to take the anti-depressants cuz my parents died and I had to take the, you know, and then I had to take the anti." She's she's using like real stuff and kind of still using that as an excuse. In other words, is what it kind of sounded like at first.

Yeah. I didn't really I have to say it didn't really bother me. I didn't even mind that she didn't want to say that she was an alcoholic because I do actually think that when you're a public figure on these shows, you have to like give yourself some wiggle room in case in case like you do like go the Lann route, which is like, yes, I had a problem with alcohol. I've figured out how to drink, you know, in in moderation without like being a danger, etc. Um, and so she doesn't want to close off any avenues, but also like Karen is the master of like the rebrand. She won't even call herself 60. It's her it's her

triple 20, you know, like it's almost like I would expect nothing less of Karen Huger than to come up with like I'm not an alcoholic. I'm just someone who deals with alcohol and likes to lick things. So I'm an alcohol licker but not an alcohol it. you know, it's like it's like that kind of thing. Like I expect that from her. So, and I don't know to me, you know, based on the trauma in her life, it's it's serious trauma. So, it like to me it makes sense if like her storyline to me or or how she described how she got to where she was from point A to point B, from when she was 19 to now, you know, makes sense to me and I understand it. And it seems like she was being for me, I I felt very satisfied.

Not that it's up to me to be satisfied or not satisfied with her explanation of how she got to this point.

Mhm. Okay. [snorts] So, she starts going on about basically it's a lot of questions about alcoholism and stuff like that. She does say that Andy plays her clips um of the girls at the reunion. Ashley being like, "Well, I was on the train here." I forget how hamfist or how ham-handed Ashley is with with her house wy, but when she's like, "Well, I was on a train coming up here, Andy, and let me tell you, I sat by this guy and we talked about me being on the show." And then he said, "Oh, I know that woman. She used to get drunk at this legal seafood every day and I would wait on her." Oh, wow. Well, what a coincidence that Ashley just happened to be on a train with this guy who remembers Karen from, you know, 40 years ago or whatever. And so

confirms it. Karen confirms it. She says, "Ashley is correct. You know, I was drunk all the time at the Legal Seafood, but it was 20 years ago."

Yeah. Yeah. I love that gossipy waiter just holding on to that on a train like he just remembered it 20 years later like, "Oh yeah, I remember her."

Just such a funny place to to just get chunka at every day. Like legal seafood. What a delicious what a delicious manifestation of your struggles is that you're like, "Well, I get drunk every day, but I also have a wonderful bowl of clams.

I get illegally drunk at the illegal seafood." Also, like how Andy's just like holding up this laptop. He's like,

you know, it's still so messy as always. And then, I don't know if anyone else felt this way, but when he was done showing the clips, he like put the laptop on the ground by his chair and like it was there for like several cutaway shots. I was like, "Is someone going to strike this laptop? When are we going to get rid of this laptop?" And then and then you showed some more clips and then someone took it away. But I was honestly a bit distracted by the laptop on the floor.

There was some talk about the um body cam footage uh which became viral when Karen was arrested because this was when she was like, "I'm not drinking." And they're kind of saying that there's someone else like, "I wasn't even driving." And they're like, "What? Well, if you weren't driving and then they Ashley brings that up, you know, well, she said there they I heard someone else was in the car and Karen insists that nobody else was in the car. This footage was cray cray. We talked about it when it first came out. It was nuts. I mean, I'm Thomas. Do you know who I am? Thomas Jefferson's concubine, you know, just completely completely unhinged.

Unhinged. Now, where it got crazier, you know, because we've all seen that, I'm sure. But she's like, "Well, I didn't even watch that film and I didn't allow Ry to watch it." And listen, trust me, Ry does what I tell him. He's wanted to see Moana for years. I won't let him do it. She's just so cute. But, you know, I didn't have input from my husband and I didn't know. I couldn't relate to what my lawyers were telling me because I just knew I was in a video that went viral and I said, "Let's just look at the positive, boys." So, that's why I didn't take the plea deal, which is crazy.

Yeah. And I don't know that I believe that. I mean, really, no one watched that, Karen. Everybody watched that video. I'm sorry. I don't believe for one second that Karen did not watch it and that Ry did not watch it and that the lawyers didn't make them watch it and the lawyers even if she didn't watch it, the lawyers didn't say, "Yeah, you called yourself Thomas Jefferson's concubine and literally said, "I'm lit as you got out of the car. You need to take a plea deal." Someone told her I um I fully believe that she did not watch it. I don't think Karen like Karen facing reality has never been one of her strong suits. She's never been able to, you know, um really really see herself in the mirror, it seems. I mean, she always has some sort of, you know, slippery story about why X, Y, and Z happens. So, I fully can understand and I fully believe that she would not have seen I think if she had

seen that video, I think she would have acted very differently on on the last season. But I think she was just like, "Whatever, it's I I don't want to see myself drunk. I know I was drunk. What do I have to see, you know? Uh, I'll just fight this." Um, and but I do believe her lawyers watched it and I bet they banging their head against the wall. I mean, they

and look, I'll I you know, disagree, but I will agree with you on one thing, and that is the Karen delusion. I think she watched it because there's no way that Karen is not going to watch herself on a viral video. Sorry. There's just no way that she's going to be like, "I'm getting millions of views and I'm all over the news. I'm not going to watch myself. I don't believe it." But I think that she probably did watch it and was like, "What's so bad? Whatever. That's not so bad." You know, like, "I look great."

That was fantastic. It was funny. It went viral. I'm a star. They'll never There's no way with everything going on in the world. There's worse things happening. This was nothing. I'll get off.

So, I do think I mean, I do agree with the delusion. I just I just have a hard time believing that she

You think that who knows who knows the truth. We're not there. You think so? Basically where we stand is that you feel like her narcissism was strong enough that she of course watched the video and I felt like her delusion outranked her narcissism where she couldn't even still watch it. So that's basically

No, I think Yeah, I think her narcissism made her watch it, but her delusion made her think it that it was going to be okay. Because like if you think about it, these ladies are sloppy all the time, you know, on these shows and they're shocked when I mean Dinda was shocked when she was,

you know, exercised from Real Housewives of New York for being so vile bitter and drunk. It's like you guys have been praising me for years for being bitter and drunk and now you're going to kick me off for like how does this make any sense? And it's cuz it just went too far. And I think that there's a there's um a disconnect there. It's like, well, you this has always been entertaining to people and now it's too much. Like, what the hell?

Yeah. She also talks about how her her relationship with Rey is, you know, a constant work in progress, aka not good. Um, and he had told her at one point like, "Look, as you work on yourself, if you realize that you need to uh leave me and um that's that's okay. I I give you my blessing. just give me a heads up because um uh tickets are to Florida are really expensive and then the sooner I can get ahead of that more months in advance I know before I can move to Florida just just let me know Karen okay but if you want to leave it's okay it's okay you can leave and she says that the day that she was drinking it's you know she was just trying to get away because she says that like we were going through it I was unhappy the kids were gone the house was a tomb just dead fax machines everywhere very sad Dad, needed to get away, need a drinky boo, can't think of all those old technologies that just clutter our

living room. Yeah. She talks about how 20 years ago, you know, her kids felt that there was a problem and she got her first DUI and um she goes through everything that she was, you know, having trouble with and that she went to the doctor and her kids thought she had a problem, but the doctor was like, "Oh, no, you're fine. Here, just take these pills." and she won't name the pills because she doesn't want to get sued by big pharma.

Um, so but she says it was an anti-depressant and and he's just like, "Uh, you can't say what it was." Nope. Benzos. Nope. Can't say. Do you have any right now? They sound great. Do you have any in your purse still? So, um, he's like, "You know, when you said at the time you were under the influence, how did that manifest itself? Like, how much were you drinking?" and she's like, "Oh, well, it's not so much that I was drinking, Andy. It was the pills. It was the pills that the doctor gave me." So, there's like a hint of skirting here still.

Um, and he's like, "Well, you're saying that, you know, you're talking about alcoholism, but you're also saying that the drink wasn't calling you." And she's like, "Well, it didn't call me that night. What I'm saying is I was running from home." So, she talks about all that stuff, as you said. And then um he says, "Well, you did it four times. I mean, this was your fourth DUI." And she's like, "Well, let's talk about that." Well, I drank. I drank in the past and I drove and I I had a DUI. Two DUIs, not four. Okay, let's be clear. Very, very clear. Two of the times I was drinking and driving and two of the times I had a drinking and driving under the influence. Very different, Andy. They're very, very different.

two dys and two dwis. Very different letters. Okay. I was wondering if that's what she meant because it used to be dwy, right? And then they changed it to DUI. So, I'm wondering if if she was just using that as being like, "No, that there were no two two DUIs. There were two DUIs and two DWIs." No. What you Here's the thing. There's two DUIs, but unfortunately, I was so DUI that the two DUIs look like four DUIs, but it's really just two. But um uh

I was just so drunk that I saw two was four. But yeah, she basically she says um that yeah, like she she she it sounds like what she's she's Andy clocks her a bit for saying she's constantly talking about going to NA and pills, whatever. And he's like it doesn't seem like you're really talking about the alcoholism very much or having a tr trouble trouble a struggle with with al alcohol. And she's saying no, I do. I do. I do. But NA is really like where I'm focusing. And it was the pills that really did it. She's really kind of emphasizing the pills more than the booze, which in my mind, the way I read it is like, if you see me drinking on Future Seasons, don't come at me, okay?

Cuz it was the pills that was the issue. That's what I think she's trying to do. And it took her pretty much the whole hour to get to the Okay, well, fine. It's a lifelong problem with alcohol. It's a disease and I'll never drink again. like it really took her a long time to get to that point because she was trying to skirt, you know, all of this and be like, "No, no, NA is my thing. NA is my thing, not AA." And so, um, she was like, you know, I just wanted to go in there and lead the classes. And she said, I actually led the NA class and the AA class. And he's like, uh, forgive me, but uh, you're in there for a DUI, so like, why the [ __ ] would you be leading the class, basically? And she was like, "Well, you know, because before I was sentenced, I got the treatment." And, you know, I'm a quick learner, so I just took that and I took it and I I helped the children. I helped the children in jail, Andy, with

And I taught them about PTOIC etiquette as well. You know, as long as I was there. Why not?

It is difficult to believe a thing that Karen says. I'm sorry. Like, what? You were leading my what? Come on.

Well, tell me about your first night in jail. That's got to have been pretty scary before you learned you could teach classes about things you nominally knew about. Yes. Well, Andy, it was very scary. I had a metal toilet and I didn't was thinking to myself, how many people have sat on this thing? So, there were young women who were going through menration and I said, "Oh, I'm going through menration issues. Please, please help me." And they basically gave her like maxi pads or something. And she lined her toilet with maxi pads and that's how she made her little throne.

She said she would take like eight eight or nine maxi pads to line to line the toilet with. How clogged up was that toilet? You know there's not strong flushers in jail. I wonder how many times she clogged up that toilet. I know. Uh I mean also like she would have to like it's a lot of maxi pads you have to go through to uh to to keep that fresh, keep that throne fresh. Um, Andy was like, "Let's talk about your homecoming a little bit." There's a lot of talk about your outfit that you wore when you were released because this is what matters the most. How did you look? So, how did you decide what you were going to wear?

Did Did Ray bring that to you? Did Raven bring it to you? Who brought that? Did a deer bring it to you? What's going on with that? Let me be very clear. I had JLO on. I was in a jumpsuit. What? You did? Oh my god. Yes. It was beige and I may not wear bees for a good while now. I'm traumatized by beige.

He's like, "You're in beige right now." And sure enough, she's wearing a beige outfit. She goes, "No, this is not beige. This is blush. Please, I will never wear beige again." Um, but uh it was a cute jumpsuit, but you know, Tatiana came by and she brought me clothes, large jeans, and a little do-agg. and I scadaddle on and he's like, "Okay, well, so what do you miss the most about prison?" H let's see. Um well, oh, but what did I miss the most while I was in prison? Is that what you meant to ask, Andy? Yes, I did.

I'm sure. I'm sure. He's like, "Tell me what was the best part of prison?" Yeah. And she's like, "Well, I miss holding Raven's hand. I took a picture of Raven's hand and all that." And you know, she was stripped down. She saw she saw grays and she's like, "You may see me with white hair soon." I'm like, "Karen, I hate to break it to you, but you did do the platinum blonde wig thing for a whole season." So,

she's like, "You'll see my hair in a color you've never seen before, white." And so, she talks about seeing her hair um her hair gray and stuff like that. And um she was basically where was I don't know where it is in here. It's a lot of It's a lot of interview, but there was one point where um Hold on. What was I going to say? It was very important. It was very important. And I'm losing it because I'm saying all these

No, you go you go talk about the breakfast. No, I was just I wasn't sure. I just was throwing that out there cuz she had to wake up at 4:30 and have breakfast at 5 and then in bed by 9:00, etc. Just sounds awful to me. She They served her crab meat and chicken, but she wouldn't eat the dirty bird, just the crab meat. I was like, they serve crab in jail. Nice. I know. I thought that too. I was like, "Wait a minute." She's like, "It was terrible. Crab, lobster, beignetes, eggs, benedict." I mean, Andy, terrible. Um, damn it. I was going to I remembered it and then I forgot to

talk about alcoholism. It's about Raven. Oh, it was about when Andy was like, "So, wasn't it rough? Were you in Genpop?" And she's like, "Oh, well, let me tell you. They were trying their best to give me celebrity treatment, Andy. They wanted to put me in the tower, the highest tower where the celebrities go and county. And I said, "No, I will go to general population. I insist on going to general population to help the youth." It's like, "Okay, okay. So, you requested to be in general population,

I'm sure." And then she told she was telling the girls because she was trying to help the younger girls in there and she was saying things like, "Um, it's me, Karen Hugo. Now listen, it took me three decades to get to this point. What are you doing here at 20? I was like, I don't know that that's coming off the same way. You know, you know, I'm like a five wick candle. They're a single wick. And I said, you got to earn. You got to earn wicks to lose wicks. You know what I'm saying? And they would just sort of look at me in the face and they said, "Are you still drunk somehow?" And I said, "Yes, I am drunk off of crab booze. I've got a crab moonshine operation going on. Just put that crab meat through the maxi pad and see what comes out and fermented and next thing you know you got that hooch.

[clears throat] I learned how to make moonshine Andy. That's correct. Out of maxi pads and gumption.

My new business. I think I think that might signal that we are done here. Can your hot zone come out one last time? No. I've got dollar bills in my hand. get over here. But yeah, it's basically, you know, she she is ready to go to the reunion. She's ready to face questions. And uh

there's some drama with Wendy because, you know, Andy was saying, well, you know, Wendy was upset that you didn't say anything to her.

Um you didn't thank her in your speech at the reunion where you thanked literally everybody, even the craft services people. You know, you thanked everybody except Wendy. And she said, "Wendy knows why I didn't thank her." That's a conversation for me and Wendy. Yes, that's right. She knows what she did. I forgive you and I want to forget you. I'm on the hills now. So, yeah, that was it. It was a it was it was an interesting hour and um excited for Karen to come back and it'll be so interesting to see how Karen now um steps into this cast after this past season of dynamics and shifting. But it'll be great

and sober and I'm sure she'll have some words. That's always the thing on these shows when when people stop drinking it's like uhoh, you know, what's this version going to be like? Because it it is a different version. And I don't think Karen was really known as being like a drunk. Like I don't think her reputation on the show was like, "Oh, there's drunk Karen," you know? So it probably won't be that different,

but but that was definitely there for sure. It was there. That was an element. And going into going into life sober, like to anybody who's ever done it, you know, God bless you. I've I go into life semi- sober. Like I stopped a lot. I stopped drugs, so that was good. And then I stopped drinking for the most part. Like I'll still have a drink every once in a while, but I'm not like getting hammered all the time like I was. And thank God I was able to do that. But it's very different. You know, you walk into your life, your friends don't really know how to deal with you. Everyone takes it very personally if you don't have a drink when you're out with friends and they're like, "Why aren't you drinking? Why are you alcohol? What's the problem?" It's still an issue to this day. And um it's it's hard. It's going to be a rough road to hoe. So I'm interested to see how she uh handles all that.

Yes. So, with that being said, let's let's let's shift on down the the schedule into Marriage to Medicine, where I don't know if you read the news today, Ronnie, but we have some tragic tragic developments in the world of marriage to medicine. Did you hear about this?

No. What happened? Quad and King, they had done they broke up. Oh, wow. They're broken up. was confirmed when he wrote on someone's Instagram, "Yep, I left that situation." So, uh, yeah, another one bites the dust. Sorry, King.

Wow. I liked him. I liked him. Okay. Um, I he did he did show a lot of red flags,

but um, you know, I can't say I'm terribly broken up about that one. Although, I do like seeing Quad happy. But was she?

Yeah. Makes me sad for Quad, but makes me uh happy because I think we both knew on some level that King was not the one for her. So that was the big goss that dropped today. But for marriage to medicine though, we are still in the Florida panhandle at Myiramar Beach for the girls trip and Heavenly has arrived with everyone and uh Simone is of course very upset that Heavenly is there. So Jackie sits down with Simone and says, "Simone, can I validate your feelings?" I'm like, "Are we in a parking garage?

Are you trying Are you trying to insert her feelings into a machine and pay 250?"

Now, you don't have to get your feelings validated, but if you bring them to me at a later date, it will cost you $20, which is the full full day maximum.

I'm just concerned cuz you have been here for more than 4 hours and it will start to add up.

Now, tell me, did your feelings buy anything in the gift shop? Anything at all? Bottle of water. I did buy something at the snack bar. Oh, well, unfortunately, only the gift shop validates, so I cannot validate your feelings right now. I do not need validation for my feelings. She goes, I understand. I understand, Simone. And she's like, just say what you want, Jackie. And she's like, well, I understand, but you know, I just want you to hear me right now. I want you to hear what my glasses are saying to you. And that is,

do you understand? I think so. I think what I've heard from your glasses is that at first you're going to be the most amazing friend, but if I stick around too long, you're only going to be kind of okay.

And think about it, Jackie. Think about it. It's a commentary on your song and what it's related to. I get it. I get it. I'd like you to hold space for the lyrics of a defying gravity. Thank you. Uh now I do want you in heavenly to hear each other so that you can find out the why because I have chosen not to talk to heavenly about it either cuz I want to hear it. You know what I want to hear? The why. The why.

And Contessa's like, "Oh my god, what in the heavenly times is going on here? I called you heavenly." And she's like, "What's going on? You didn't even know it was my man's birthday. You didn't even know. How could you not know it's daddy's birthday? It's on everybody's calendar. It didn't pop up on your calendar. Come on, girl.

It was my man's birthday night. Everyone knows it's daddy's birthday. It was a daddy's birthday. Happy birthday to daddy. It was daddy's birthday. That's what I had to do. So, Contessa's like, "Wow, Simone is not happy about her being here." I mean, what am I supposed to do as a host? You know what I'm going to do? I'm gonna b buy balloons and then hand everybody really sharp things and have them diss each other and then explode balloons in each other's faces. Surely this will calm everybody down. That'll be great. So Heavenly is like, I just feel like I need a break or a breather because there's a lot of going on at Angel's party and just like a lot like well are you here or you're just popping in? And it's like so Jackie's like there is nothing right about it. But I still think the both of you who have been friends on and off need to at least hear the other person.

Well, it's just hard to hear. It's not hard. You can do it. Do it for good. Uh Jackie, I will not acknowledge the second part of that franchise.

But the giraffes can talk. Just pretend heaven's a giraffe. That just pretend heavenly is a giraffe. Talk to her. Talk to her deeply. And Jackie's like, "Well, what I'm not going to do is say, Simone, you're right. Heavenly you're right." You know, somebody is going to have an opinion. You know, and Heavenly is obnoxious, but I know her heart. And Simone's like, "Oh my god, I don't know. You know, if I talk to her, I'll say, I don't know what is going on in your life that you think it's okay to talk to me this way." Just that is [snorts] exactly what you need to say to Heavenly. You're just a girl.

A girl in a bubble. Damn it, Jackie. [gasps] The neighbors are going to know I'm in town cuz she's saying how um No, when she gets mad, her voice gets elevated. Well, I saw the county jail and we don't want to go there cuz no one mourns the wicked. Am I right? So you got my bail money, huh? And they it's like a whole joke about how they always say that. And Simone explains that whenever they go somewhere, they always say, "You have my jail my bail money." It's hilarious. You had to be there, guys. So Jackie,

she says it, but the way Simone says it is like, "Yeah, we always promise that we'll bail each other out of jail." She Jackie doesn't need to be bailed out of jail. You're the one. So then we go back to Contessa and she's like, "Okay, you need to pick a room." But they're all taken. And Heavenly's like, "Oh, I'll just sleep with Quad in that balcony room." And so, um, they talk about how they need to go take baths and Mimi's like, "Cuz we still have dolphin on us." And dolphin cannot arrive with nighttime Mimi. I'm telling you that right now.

Daytime dolphin does not work with nighttime Mimi. Okay. Um, so they're like, "Okay, we're going to shower." There's also gnats everywhere.

There's gnats. That's the That's the other plot is someone brought gnats to the house. I think it was the dolphins. I mean,

I think it was the dolphins, too. I love a dolphin, but you know that dolphin smell. The gnats are just like, "Oh,

I smell some dolphin. Let's go to that house." Because they're all still covered in dolphin juice, I guess. I mean, I don't know.

You know that nats love dolphin. They're like "Oh yeah. This is why I moved to Myiramar for that sweet dolphin access." So then Toya checks in with Simone. And Simone's like, "It was good. It was really good. It was just peaceful." to you. No. Did heavenly speak to me? I can't understand what you're saying, Toya. You You have to speak more clearly. Toya. Okay. I'm assuming you asked if heavenly talked to me. And the answer is absolutely not. She's like, "Well, what the hell? Cuz you just said you don't feel safe here, but you're standing at the house with a person you don't feel comfortable with. What's that about?"

Well Toya since when do people on these shows leave homes because they're uncomfortable? The whole show is built on uncomfortability. Um, but Toya is really just anti-heavenly. She's just anti no matter what. And so she's mad that she's not staying in a They're all mad that she's not staying in a hotel. And then Quad is in the room catching Heavenly up and she's like, "You were the topic of conversation last night. Now, did she push you or not?" Because she said that she she said that she did not push you. And she goes, "Well, she did this. Let me show you exactly what she did." And then she shows her that sim that Simone supposedly bumped her, like body bumped her and then like flew her hand at her, which didn't like flung the No, it didn't really happen. Yeah.

He Simone removed her hand from Heaven's hand from her shoulder and walked away. And I mean, Simone was not happy, so maybe Heavenly took it as an aggressive moment, but it was she just simply removed the hand. Heaven's like, "Well, I took a picture and she was like, "This gets your mother freaking head off me." And that's what she did. And even if I was upset, like, don't do all that, but then I was uncalled for and it was unnecessary and I don't like it. Did she own any part of it? And like, well, what I want you to understand is campaign manager to candidate.

She never said she never pushed you. Well, I'm telling you what happened. I mean, you may call it a bush, but like you call it whatever you want, but like the energy was evil, for the lack of a better record. Evil Simone was on the edge, but you know, I was just being a nice girl. And Quad's like, "So, can you guys be in the same room?" And she's like, "Uh, yeah, but don't, you know, do all of that, whatever you want to call it." Uh, so Quad's like, "Well, this is definitely a different picture than how Simone explained it." They were all there. I don't understand how nobody saw any of this happen. This was a group scene and a group party and they're all I mean I look

Heavenly they were taking a picture, right? They had just gotten into an argument. Then someone was like, "Oh, I want to take your picture." So Heavenly gathered to take the picture and came up and put her arm around Simone. Simone removed her arm and said, "I don't want to talk to you." And then it became a screaming and yelling match between between the both of them. Uh so yeah, there was no there was no abuse here. Uh but everyone's pretending they didn't see it. So I guess they can just stay out of this fight because nobody wants to be in the middle of this.

No. Oh no, they don't. So Simone is with Toya in the room. She's Simone's like on her laptop in bed and she's like, "If I'm going to get out of this bed, what I'm not going to do is sit in the presence of someone who is lying on me." And Toy's like, "Well, you you know uh you have to do it cuz you know you know what Eugene says. He says, "Heavenly is perfect for the candace because all she does is lie." Huff. So now it's time to check in with the men because let's see what's happening. And so we

the real reason everybody watches this show to see what Eugene thinks about life.

Men loafing about. So we go to Steve first and he is um watching his kids as they fight and he's like uh when is she back? And then here's what I was amused by. We cut to Eugene and he's there with his kids and they're at some sort of crafting thing where they are like they're doing something with thread with like these guns, the threading guns and easels. It's like a very crafty moment. And I thought it was so funny that like this is what Eugene and the boys were doing with toy out of the house. They're doing this like little wholesome threading activity that I don't know was it rug making? What were they doing Ronnie? I was so amused by this. I have no idea because they were like ropes, you know, [clears throat] they were st it looked like stapling, like some kind of staple thread. I mean, I don't know.

Wanted to do it. I'll tell you, were they like patterns that they bought and then they were going over these cars?

Cuz one was pretty good. Like one was a car. Yeah. So, I'm guessing they were pre-made patterns and then the other one was just some kind of shape. I don't know. But I thought it was I thought it was really funny. It just was like cuz I feel like everything we know about Eugene and the boys is that they're all adorable nerds in the best way. Meaning that it seems like Eugene gets the boys together. They watch Marvel movies and they play video games together. And so it was funny that they just decided to shoot this analog crafting experience while Toyo was out of town. Like guys, guess what? We're going to we're going to make race cars out of rope. All right. Get get in the car.

That's nice. You making your mom a rug? It says, "Gather a bitch." That's nice. She's going to love that.

Our note-taker says it's a rug making place. I I wasn't I just wasn't sure, but they didn't look like rugs. Were they like place mats or

I don't know. I'm going to need some someone's going to help. Someone please help. Please help.

I don't know. So, um he's like, "Guys, we need to have a very serious talk. You know, I work a lot and you guys need to learn things from me and you're going to learn everything from their mother." And they just laugh at him and he's like, "Yeah, this is what you're learning from me." Rugs.

Rugs. Glad I glad I could be here. Sending rope into fabric via some sort of weird gun. And but the rope was like coming from the ceiling. It was like a whole thing. It was like a whole elaborate thing. I'm so intrigued. Um, so then we go over to Cecil with his boys and he's like, "Okay, I've been read the riot act by your mother and so now I'm going to have a father scene where I stand up for your mother." So he's like, "Guys, you know, you need to be nicer to your mother cuz she supports you." I think he's drunk. I'm just going to say right now he's slurring and I think he's drunk. Not that I really blame him, but I don't think we've ever seen a scene with Cecil without a drink in his hand this season. And he seems drunk right now. Like the last scene, it was in the daytime and he's like sitting in bed with a full like yard of beer in his hand.

So I think Cecil's just committing at this point. Yeah. Um I'm I'm sorry, Ronnie. Um I figured it out. I think the place I went to was called Tuft House and I just sent you a link. There's a place in Los Angeles where we can go do this and um it is it is rug making. It's a technique called tufting and apparently it's a thing. and you go in and you you tufted. So, there you go everyone. To anyone who's banging their head on the steering wheel, tufting, tufting is the is the activity.

Oh, and there's even a link for date night. Guys, if you have found your mate, this is how to know. Date night.

Will you join me? Um, I broke him up. I broke up with him when he took me to Tuing on our first date.

I feel like I am going to propose this to Dom. Like, Dom, do you want to Dom will be like, we don't need a random homemade rug. which is actually a fair point. What do you do with this thing once you make it? Some janky.

I'd love a rug. I've got rugs everywhere. I'd love to make a rug. Although, these don't look like the sturdiest rugs.

They look beyond shitty. I don't know that I trust myself. So, Cecil is giving a speech to the boys and he's like, "You guys need to appreciate your boys, right? Your mom because she spends all this money and we want to retire." like, "Has she ever told you that this is why she's stressed because she wants us to retire?" And they're like, "No." Okay. Well, glad we had this talk. Do you have any beers in your fridge? Then we go over to Mimi um uh checking in with Steve and he's uh having a rough day with Stevie and he didn't get he they moved too slow so he didn't get to regular summer camp. So now he's stuck having daddy camp and he's like, "Please kill me.

This is making me crazy. I've got the kid at the office. Please, please come back. Come back soon. Anytime soon. And she's like, "Well, today I went swimming with dolphins. I wish you were there to join me. Would you have done that?" He's like, "No, no way." So then now it's time for the ladies to all sit down for dinner. And uh Contessa's like, "Chef, can you introduce yourself?" And this guy comes out. He's like, "Hey, my name is Chef Christopher Hullbrook. I've been chef of the year down here for the past 10 years." That's right. Miramar Beach's own celebrity chef, Chef Christopher Hullbrick. Okay, I call these Wu Tang chicken chicken chicken wings because there's so many ingredients in these chicken wings. It's like I brought the whole clan and put it in the bowl. I was like, I don't know if I love this this speech right now. I know it says bit, but I don't know. I don't know if I love some of the wording in it. I like

we can we not do this. You're not hungry for clan chicken. No, that doesn't sound good to you. No, I felt like this was inappropriate. Um, but I think they all just sort of smiled and were like, "Okay, you see, you're trying to make a joke here. Um, you can move on."

Yeah, please go now. I'm sorry I asked your name. Cuz he didn't even he wasn't even to go into the whole spiel. He was just like, "Hey y'all, here's some here's some uh appetizers." She goes, "Could you just introduce yourself to everybody instead of just dropping off the food?" And then he went into this monologue. So, Contessa, you did this. You did this. there was and like you just look at this guy and you're like this I just I'm like if if the analogy is I'm naming this after Wuang because there's so many ingredients it's like I've got a clan of ingredients. I mean isn't there like a could you I just feel like there's a there's another pop culture metaphor out there that can sort of convey the same thing without just sounding so off.

Just not the strongest. Yeah. Also, are they spicy, Wuang? I mean, I know they've got a lot of members, but I don't know. There were a lot of questions. There were a lot of questions.

Is one of those are what one of those wings old and dirty. That's what I want to know.

So, um, Quad's like, "Where are you from? Your accent is ridiculous." And he's like, "Well, I'm actually born in Atlanta. I was on the south. I'm a southside boy." You better watch out. I'm going to get you. Southside boy, you better watch it. You better watch your step.

Okay, you can go now. You can go now, sir. You can go. You can go. You can go. Thank you for the food.

So, they just brushed that one off. And uh Quan's like, "Let's start with a prayer. Who wants to say grace?" Simone, do you want to say a prayer? She says, "No, not say a prayer."

Commercial break. Let's not gain weight. Let's not to gain weight in Jesus name. And so they're like, "Okay, thank you, Toya. That was really beautiful. Thank you for making this nourishment for our body and taking out all the impurities. You're literally drinking a martini right now." So, um, they're talking about the house. And Contessa's like, "Am I a good hostess? Do you guys like the house?" And they're like, "Yeah, everything's nice." And, um, so they're not going to make small talk. So, Contessa's like, "Okay, Heavenly, why didn't you get on the plane yesterday?

Let's talk about it." that and she's like, "Well, there was a lot going on and I needed to get my headspace together and I it was not, you know, I just didn't want to come with the wrong energy."

No. So, is that So, it's not just that you don't want to be in the same plane as Simone says Contessa like

or the same house or the same tufting place. Go ahead, say it. I didn't want any negative energy. It's I just want a positive energy. Well, I expressed through the group that you didn't feel safe being around me.

No, what I said was, "I'm done. I'm not coming." Okay. And I said that you were very aggressive. And I think I used the word unhinged. That was like a lot. And I didn't want to come with that energy. And I said, "You pushed me." And that's a lot happened cuz you pushed me. You pushed me, Simone. You pushed me.

She's like, "I did not push you." She goes, "Well, I was touched." And she goes, "Yes, because you touched me and I took your hand." No, she said, "YOU GET YOUR [ __ ] HANDS OFF OF ME." SHE'S LIKE, "NO, I was there with movement. There was movement." "No, I don't want to have an argument because I was there as well and I felt the energy." She's like, "Well, I didn't shove you. You put your arm." She goes, "No, you did like this." And then she does like the swing of the arm again. And she goes, "No, your arm wasn't there. It was around my neck, by the way." Well, you you and I were there.

You and I were there. She goes, "And I took it and I said, "Get your hands off of me." And so, you know, Simone is making it sound a lot maybe like very like ginger, but either way, Heavenly is full of [ __ ] Do you think Heavenly is just flatout lying or do you think Heavenly remembers it as being more dramatic?

I think she just remembers it incorrectly. I don't think she's lying. I think that Well, she is lying, but I don't think that she's intentionally lying. I think that I think that in her mind based on the stuff in her life, like that I think like an unexpected movement. I don't know. Like I think that somehow like she's she really believes this.

Yeah. So somewhere in the middle, but it's definitely more towards Simone's side cuz Simone's like, "Well, you touched me and then I very gingerly took your hand and I said, "Please do not touch me." It's like through a physical,

you definitely took that hand off, but not in a way. There was no pushing. There was none of that.

Yeah, agreed. So He's like, "No, you didn't do that. You said get your [ __ ] hands off me. That's what you did, Simone." Simone's like, "No, I didn't. It's on camera, baby. Well, watch the footage and I think you'll see it a little differently." And I think they sort of are looking at the producers to be like, "You'll bring out the footage now so we can watch it at the table." Right. Right. No one does anything. So, um, but of course the producers show us the clip and

Yeah, they show us again. So, Heavenly is just like, "No, you were [ __ ] unhinged. Period." Now, if heavenly, if you came in here without the like physical aggressive component, and just said, "Listen, you come for me at the beginning of this thing at this party. We're supposed to be friends. You come up to me with Toya, who you know has hates me, and you're like, "Well, Toya sent me notes from your thing, and then you start telling me off about my thing, and I'm I don't need to be lectured by you, and then you go off on me in public, and it was embarrassing and unhinged."

Okay, if she did that, she would have had a different argument. But, you know, Heavenly takes it to this other level and she's always going off on people in public. So, I guess she wouldn't have a leg to stand on with that one either. But, yeah, you can't just say someone beat you in a

Yeah. party girl. Come on. Yeah. So, Simone is basically like, I'm not going to eat anymore. I've lost my appetite. And Heaven's like was screaming, going all over the place. Did you not see it? Did you guys all not see it? Were you not there? Am I making this up? And to like I'm going to get some red wine. I'm gonna go. Oh, god. No. No. Everyone, hold on. Hold on. Listen, listen, listen. No, don't leave the table. Don't leave the table. But they're like, no, we're going to go. So Simone goes in one area. Heavenly goes to another area. And they've they've gone to their own different corners.

Yeah. And Simone's like, "She's doing exactly what I thought she would. She's a lying low down bitch." And I understand now, but that's what you need to say. That's what you need to say. I want you to come back to the table and very calmly say that she's a lying low down [ __ ] That's what we need to make this all better. And she's like, "No." So then Heavenly on her side is like, "Well, I've said everything I can say. You all won't hear today." I like that Heavenly was like, "Did anybody see this? This was a group scene. Anybody?"

And nobody was nobody would say anything. Yeah. And Cadessa's like, "No, we want to hear we want to hear you now that you're here. We heard you say your intention was, you know, just to not come and it was not for her to to not come. And to like, uh, what about Lu as a physician and making it look like she's aggressive? Like when you make comments like that, that's not good. And he Heavenly's like, well, she was aggressive. She was very aggressive. Well, so are you. You this is aggressive. And Mimi's like, Toya, I'm going to ask you not to interject. And Toy's like, I'm not interjecting. I'm asking a question while someone else is talking. That's not interjecting. That's That's toy ejecting. And that's allowed.

[clears throat] You You're the interjector. Mimi is like, "Um, where was this energy yesterday?" You know, when when uh Simone got to say her side of the story. And Heaven's like, "Oh, God. Don't worry about it." Tori's just trying to piss me off. That's what Toriia does. And she's like, "Well, the one question I want answered is if you had an issue with your friend to mold, why didn't you?" She goes, "Oh, is she my friend? Is she my friend?" Okay, then if that wasn't your friend, then why did you put your hands on her in the first place? I didn't put my hands on her. Yes, you did. But you put your hands on her to take a picture. So, just say that. Like, I was mad at her, but I still wanted to be in the picture. So, what's the big deal?

It's Yeah, it was not putting the hands. It was not like capital P putting the hands on. This is It was a hey, come in. Let's take a photo together.

Yeah. Um, this is why, isn't it the whole thing that Kiana Reeves whenever he takes a picture with someone, his hand, he always looks like he's has his hands on their shoulders, but his hands are always like 4 in off of them. He like just does not touch people because he knows that it can be used.

He watches Married to Medicine. He watches Married to Medicine. Yeah. So is like you put your hands on her. That's not what happened. It's like so she just randomly pushed you. She randomly pushed you. I'm just like okay. Well, she didn't push her and Heavenly did not quote unquote put her hands on her like that. They were taking a photo and Simone was like, "I don't want to be in this photo with you." And it was nothing more than that. And it's crazy that it's become such a big thing. Yeah. And so Mimi's like, "Well, I mean, they were both asked to take a picture."

Yeah. And then she moved the hand off her and she's like, "You know what? I'm going back to my room. Thank you. Thank you. I'm going to my room with the balcony." So, um, Tori's like, "Well, she just said it's not her friend." And Quad's like, "Don't yell at me. Like, let me out of it." So, Mimi talks to Heavenly, and she's like, "Well, you know, we didn't hear Heavenly as as we did Simone yesterday, and that's not fair." And Heavenly's like, "Yeah, you know, I don't feel like I deserve this. like I don't understand why she's so angry with me. And Brandy goes, well, do you understand now that the implications when you use certain words like hostile?

But it was hostile. Like, okay. Okay. So, you don't under stand. So, um Simone is saying, "I understand that I also need to give grace like God gives me every day, and I am not ready. I'm not ready." Okay. Well, let me just remind you that no good deed goes unpunished. And what Heavenly needs to hear right now is the heart of Simone. Can you give her that heart please? All anybody needs is the heart of Simone. Take it away, Simone. Take it away. New York, LA, the Sunset Strip, the heart of rock and roll. Also, Simone. So Simone is like, she's not going to get it. She didn't come wanting it and she's not gonna get it. We'll go talk to Jackie.

Okay, I'll do it. Where's Heavenly? So, she goes off to go find Heavenly and everything. And Quad's like, "Well, sometimes we try to speed up people's processes because it's something we want right now, but we do have to allow people to kind of take their time. I mean, even between you and I, so I get it. whoever I'm talking to. Oh, it's just plants. But either way, plants, we're on good page now. And now Jackie is talking to Heavenly and she's like, "What I need my friend to hear is that I've got two great friends that I love and as long as you're mine.

I'm hurt right now." And Emily's like, "But I'm hurt. I'm the one who's hurt." She have to hear me. Are you willing to just say as a friend, I hurt you? You don't have to go back and say, "You hurt me." You know, in a relationship, somebody's going to be the bad person. Wicked, if you will. I can do it, Jackie. I can do it. I can do it. God damn. I can do it, Jackie. And Mimi's like, "But you're going to do it from here. Your heart. Let me tap tap your heart so you remember exactly what I'm talking about. This is Oh, is that a Tin Man reference?" No, I get that. That's Wait, was that a scarecrow? I'm so confused. I don't know who did one in that movie. It's okay. You don't have to worry about it. Just speak from your heart. You can do that. I mean, everyone keeps saying she's going through so much, but I'm going through so much, too. Going through a lovely new. So, Jackie, they're getting very emotional

because obviously she's talking about the fact that she has no idea where her son is and she's having a strained relationship with him. And Jackie's Jackie senses like breakthrough moment. So, she's like on her knees and she's like her voice is cracking. And she's like, "We're all built different and there strong people need strong people and there's a divine divine transformation that's taking place inside of you and you need to walk in it. Stop. Walk in your divine transformation." So, you'll talk to her. You'll say you're sorry and mean it from your heart. And I don't want to make light of the fact that you're hurting heavenly.

Do I not know that knowing where your baby is has got to be one of the most painful things? So, you'll talk to her? Yes, Jackie. Thank goodness. [snorts] Uh so yeah, Heavenly agrees to do it. So, uh Quad is like, "Yeah, she's hurt, too." And they're both she's she They're both hurt and they're both trying to be tough. [groaning]

You got to hand it You got to hand it to these people. I mean, the fact that they are on year nine. They've been doing this for so long. Especially these OGs have been doing it for so long. They've been having the same fight now for 10 years and they're every time is like the first time like, "Oh my god, will Simone talk to Heavenly? Will heavenly apologize to Simone?" They're still like so hurt like this has never happened before. It really it's it's it really is true. So, uh, Toya comes, "Oh, Heavenly, you've got tears. I didn't know you had those things inside of you." And Cadessa's like, "Okay, all these all these delicate flowers are falling apart in Florida. I love it. But I'm such a good host. My hosting dreams have come true. So Jack is like, "You got to say something." Okay, but not right now.

Even though you're very emotional and raw. Let's save it for tomorrow cuz we otherwise we have nothing to shoot. So, uh, we'll go to sleep and you'll put on your bathing suit and tomorrow you'll discuss it.

Like, that sounds like a great idea. Yeah. They're like, "Let's go in the pool." And Contessa says, "Yeah, let's go in the pool. I have another game." Like, oh god, Contessa games. Here we go. And Simone's like, "No, I don't want to play a game if I'm not in a good mood and I don't want to be fake." And Toya's like, "I'm not asking you to be fake. Hit her. Hit her. Hit her right there. You're not helping Toya." And Bry's like, "They don't want to talk." So, they decide that they're going to play a game. So, Heavenly goes and changes to pajamas, I think. And so, um, now they don't get in their bathing suits. They instead decide not to get in their pajamas and play a balloon game. So, this is where they play their balloon game. So, she brings out all these inflated balloons and Mimi's like, "Um, does she have a helium tank in her room?" Like, "Where did they come from?"

So, they they all have these balloons and um they're going to read questions like, "Who is the person who's like this or who's the person who's like that?" And whoever

pop was a Justin Timberlake song. And um they are going to pop balloons. So, um, this is I think this is game number two so far for Contessa. It's like she she's making up for lost time. She has a whole thing about being a hostess for this trip and she takes it very seriously and she has loaded up this trip with as many games as possible, much to our chagrin.

Yeah. So, they they read clues and whoever people think it is, they have to pop their balloon. So, Brandy goes, um, this one says, breaks the sound B barrier. Pops Simone's balloon. I got one. I have one. It's the first to drop the bat, but as soon as things get heated, plays the victim. And so, Heavenly pops Simone's. And she goes, she goes over there with her pin and she gets right in Simone's face. She goes, "You bitch." Pops it right in her face.

So, Cadessa's like, "Simone, don't let her get away with that. What do you got, Simone? What do you got?" Simone's like, "Is the only friend not to support her girlfriend's political endeavor?" That's me. So, oh no, that's her question. And so, then she pops Toya's Toya's balloon and everything. And then Toya is like, "You know what? These balloons, they were blocking the view for you, [ __ ] Anyway, whatever. Okay, I've got one. Dress is the best in the group." And Toya's like, "Well, I'm not going to pop myself." I'm like, "Good." Because I don't know if that's worth the pop there, Toya.

But I like that Toya is guilty in so many of the questions that she's almost out of balloons. She's like, "Well, I guess you guys could at least see my beautiful face now." Um, and so treats their friends like they're patients and they say, "Mimi." And then, uh, Neville uses her voice to defend her friends even when someone did the wrong. And Guad's like, "Jackie, Jackie, they're talking about you, baby. They're talking about you."

Toyo pops all of Jackie's balloons. I love that the women just keep on laughing. You know, if this were Beverly Hills, it would be like, I just don't understand why she would do that. Like, I actually been really supportive. And so, the fact that she like popped my balloon, it like makes me wonder like, were we ever friends? But here, they're just

Yeah. And also the moment where um Heavenly and Simone, who were in a huge fight, goes up to Simone's face and pops a balloon right in her face, goes, "You bitch." And Simone just laughs cuz So Quad's like, "Um, those will make enough to have the friend group." And Simone's like, "Oh, that's Quad. And so Cadess Yeah. And Cadessa's like, "Wait, who's going to help me clean up these balloons?"

Well, next time think of a better game because it's going to be you. Um, yeah, I'm not helping you, balloon queen. No.

Yeah. Next day, people wake up and heavenly quad's like, "Heavenly, what verse do you have today?" And Heaven is like, "Well, I've been reading the book of Ephesians. these species tell you who you are and not dealing with people and dealing with spirits and principles principalities because you cannot come into this campaign being weak and you cannot come in this campaign being polite and I cannot like cannot Dr. Jackie this [ __ ] because it's got to work if I'm going to be good if I'm going to win this thing for daddy.

So Claude's like wait a minute baby you've got the Bible open like yes that's what a fee is. So then uh Contessa is checking everybody um and you know being a hostess and stuff and she's like there are drinks on the table. If anybody would like to get a refill. Okay, here's the thing. You ask each other a question. If the person tells you an answer you don't believe you throw the coffee in their face. Okay, breakfast game.

Contessa literally does rounds here. She's like comes by to everyone's room on her laptop and is like, "What could I be doing better as a host? What do you need? what would be what would make the situation more fun for you? I'm like, this is a bit much for a vacation. I don't think you actually have to do that. Like, I do not want to have to answer a questionnaire about my experience on this stupid Airbnb dolphin myar beach situation.

So, Contessa checks in with Simone and she's like, "Would you be okay if Heavenly's able to say what she needs to say to the group?" And she's like, "She can say whatever she wants." She goes, "Okay, okay, everyone. Well, we're all out here by the pool and we're chilling. Um, we had a great night. Remember the games? That was so much fun. You're never going to see balloons the same. Am I right? Okay, so let's just let Heavenly get Choka to talk uninterrupted. And when she says, "And I'm done." Then you guys can ask questions. Okay, don't forget it's when she says, "And I'm done." Okay, go ahead. Okay, here we go. Okay. All right. Well, can you guys all gather around? Gather around. Gather around.

Okay. Come in closer. Come in closer. This is kind of my thing this year. I have people coming closer. Okay. So, here we go. Is everyone ready for my thing? And someone's like, "Um, are you okay if I take notes? I don't give a [ __ ] what you do." Okay, everyone. So, first and foremost, I'm running for a campaign. It's very serious for me. When I came to the room, I thought I had an amazing lunch and so I came off this high at Angel's events and then what first was like, "Oh, we have this list of [ __ ] that you did wrong." So, she starts going into all the things that like her feeling of like going into this into Angel's show and she felt like she was confronted right away. It put her in a bad mood and she's like she was like, "Oh my god, this was crazy." And then in my mind, like it was it was too much. And then she says that then Simone touched her and she was like, "Well, I can't go on a trip with

all you hoes. I'm not going. So, I just extrapolated myself from the group." and she says, um, I, you know, I knew the words I needed to use to make it happen. Basically, like she's like, I I got myself into this fight so that way I wouldn't have to come onto this trip. And, uh, she's like, and that's why I said that Simone was unhinged. And then Toya, of course, is like, can I say something? Can I say something? Can I say something?

No, you cannot, Toya. He's like, uh, she's like, yeah, I want to say something. And she's like, okay, I'm going to go home then because I don't want this to turn into something bad. And so they're like, "Oh my god, just let her finish her her monologue." And Toya's like, "Stop egotis [ __ ] is not the Come on, you guys." And Contessa's like, "Come on, let's just let her go." And to Heavenly's like, "Why do you got to be a [ __ ] Toya?"

Okay, let's not do that. Don't do that, Toya. And Angel's like, "How can we allow Heavenly to finish, please?" Like, "No, I'm good. I'm good. Thank you very much." So Heavenly gets up and she's like, "Whatever." Like I can't get to the bottom of this if we've got Toya in the way. She's too messy. She's too She's always interjecting and I don't want to deal with that.

So Toriya's like, "Oh, you're doing too much, Evelyn." She the energyy's not right here and I don't want to go to that place. But you did the energy though. You did the energy. And uh Toriia just guy there, please. My god. She never shuts up. And she's getting shitfaced again, which they point out throughout the episode that Tori is just always drinking a lot. And Tori's like, "I could do whatever I want. It's my vacation."

Yeah. But you know, like let other people have their own fights. You have an F,

right? And Contessa's like, "Look, Toya, be quiet cuz it'll go faster if we don't interrupt."

Well, there's no way in the world that you would have thought that we were okay because every single time we got together, you were bringing up my husband and you were yelling at me and you were talking about terrible text. And Mimi's like, "Um, excuse me." Okay. Um, I think we're going on a tangent. I'm not devaluing what you're saying, Toya. Even though I do think it is incredibly stupid and minimal, but I'm not devaluing it because I'm just giving it its actual value, which is unnecessary. Don't need to hear it.

Okay? It's I'm giving it full value. Okay? But we're we're getting off topic here.

Well, you're not acknowledging what I'm saying because you're not in the fight. This isn't about you. It's not about you and Eugene for Christ's sake.

Yeah. She's like, "Okay, well, this is not we're talk. We're gonna deal with those two first." Okay. So Heavenly's like "Simone Simone Simone Simone Simone, Simone." And while Mimi is trying to settle down, Toya, Heavenly goes over to Simone. She's like, "Simone, I'm not trying to touch you or anything. I just want you to hear me. Can you can you hear me? Hear me?" She's like,

"Well, I don't think that you do hear me cuz you're you're saying I'm on a tangent."

You just hear Toya in the background. Mimi basically gets in the pool to join Toya. It's good. She sort of occupies Toya. like dangles dangles like some attention to Toya so that way Simone and Heather can talk.

And Simone Simone's like, "You're saying that I slapped you away." And He's like, "Well, I felt like you hit me." She's like, "But that's fine that you felt that way and I felt like I was being violated and when you use that language that is defaming to my character of all the people here, I have been close to you and you continue to drag me and I do not feel like you're my friend." And she's like, "But I understand your feelings." And I was going through things that I shouldn't have said anything, but I never meant to hurt you, Simone. I swear. I swear I was wrong. I did wrong, Simone. I I was in a bad place and I did wrong. And I'm sorry.

And you got to believe that when you say we're not friends. I hurt my feelings because that's wrong. And I consider you a friend. I really do, Simone. I really do. A very aggressive, volatile [ __ ] of a friend. I used to believe that before this and now I don't. So Heaven's basically saying she's like upset. She's telling us that she'd be really upset if their friendship really did end over something like this that was un not intentional. I'm like, "Well, sounded pretty intentional when you when you declared that you weren't coming on the trip because Simone

Yeah. pushed you." That's an intentional choice. I mean, it's good that s that she because she changes tactics, right? She's like, "Okay, obviously this is not working. Tori is not going to shut the [ __ ] up and Simone is not going to give an inch. So, I'm going to go into plan B," which is just profusely apologizing. So, she completely changes. She's contrite, but it's also Heavenly. And we've seen this a million times. On the other hand, Simone was kind of [ __ ] with Heavenly and she was teaming up with Toya. And I think what isn't being said here is you've got Toya constantly coming for Heavenly. They're all And I'm not saying that that's all Toya's fault cuz it's Heavenly. They're pretty equal in that. But when she's trying to be friends with Simone and tell her all this stuff and then Simone teams up with Toya to be like, "Oh, you're unprofessional and your political career is a joke or whatever in Heavenly's

mind." Then that's that's the betrayal. But she's not being she's not able to really verbalize that to Simone. And so she never really gets any kind of point across.

Yeah. So Simone is like saying that she's shown us year after year like the apology like she can kiss that because it's like we could be cordial, we can have fun, but I have eyes on you because it's like it's always the same thing from her. That's what she's essentially saying. And uh she but then she also tells Heavenly that there's she's like there's never been a fight that we have not been able to come back from, but when you drag me in some [ __ ] I'm not [ __ ] with you. I swear to God. I swear to God. I swear to God that wasn't my intention. But like just take my word for her, please. Like take my word for Simone.

Yeah. And um that's pretty much that. So they're gonna kind of make up, but Simone is like, "Yeah, I don't trust her."

Yeah. So we'll see. Who knows? But um Yeah, we'll see. Yeah. Fun episode. And we will be back, man, with the season premiere of Below Duck Down Under. And it is already Real Housewives of Salt Lake City time on that show. I thought we'd have a couple weeks before we were right back into Salt Lake City.

Yeah. To get to know the the new people, etc. But yeah, I thought I was going to have time to like chill from the reunion, you know, but there it's like, okay, here's fights from months ago. Go talk about them again.

Capitalize. Yep. Capitalize right on. Right. You know, the whole thing. So cool. Excited to watch that tonight. Thanks everyone for being here. Check us out on Amazon Live. Check us out on Crappy Hour with Crystal Kung Minkoff and we'll catch you in the next episode.

Bye.

Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "Married To Medicine S12E09 + Karen Huger Interview: MiraMarred Intentions and Huger Hubris"?

Ronnie Karam (Host), Ben Mandelker (Host), Karen Huger (Guest), Crystal Kung Minkoff (Guest).

What is "Married To Medicine S12E09 + Karen Huger Interview: MiraMarred Intentions and Huger Hubris" about?

The content focuses on the latest happenings in Season 12 of "Married to Medicine," highlighting key moments from the current episode, as well as featuring an interview with Karen Huger. The discussion also emphasizes upcoming events, such as live streams and the Golden Crappy Awards nominations, while encouraging audience engagement through platforms like Patreon.

What is mentioned in this Watch What Crappens episode?

40 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Karen Huger, Married to Medicine, Alcoholism, Ben Mandelker, Jail, Addiction. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "Married To Medicine S12E09 + Karen Huger Interview: MiraMarred Intentions and Huger Hubris"?

The episode runs 1 h 21 min; the transcript is about 16,525 words in 218 timestamped sections.

More from Watch What Crappens

About this transcript: the episode's spoken words as captioned on YouTube, split into timestamped sections. Reclip.Me locates every person, work and idea in the text, keeps the time it is first named, and quotes the words around it verbatim. Last updated February 9, 2026.