Real Housewives of Beverly Hills S15E02: Whine, Lose, or Draw

What this episode is about

In "Whine, Lose, or Draw," the discussion delves into various lighthearted encounters with the cast of the Real Housewives franchise, particularly focusing on the trials of relationships involving the character Todd. The hosts share amusing anecdotes, including a personal story about a humorous encounter on a flight with Todd, reflecting on the quirks and antics associated with reality TV personalities.

Key takeaways

• Bravo detours: If only non-fans took paparazzi lessons, celeb tea would flow at 30,000 feet.
• Todd's seat-grabbing: Proof that a Bravo celeb's real drama isn't always on TV screens.
• Hair cascade menace: Is your in-flight entertainment double-sided tape or an iPad as defense?
• Season's runway: Real Housewives kicking off another long-haul drama marathon, brace for turbulence.
• Watch responsibly: More Bravo, more drama, but let's save the lighter tricks for scripted TV, please.

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 10:00: Lisa Vanderpump, Amazon Live, Crappy Hour
2. 10:00 – 20:00: Jacqueline Hyde
3. 20:00 – 30:00: Aaron Sutton, Crunch Fitness, Melrose Avenue
4. 30:00 – 40:00: Aaron Sutton, Ashley Darby, Bianca Jagger, Shalom
5. 40:00 – 50:00: Kathy Hilton, Aaron Sutton, Bianca Jagger, Giri's
6. 50:00 – 1:00:00: Aaron Sutton, Lisa Vanderpump, Alex Baskin, Dungeon Crawler Carl
7. 1:00:00 – 1:10:00: Amanda Francis, Money Mentality, Drop It With Drew, G-Wagon
8. 1:10:00 – 1:20:00: Aaron Sutton, Chucky, Sand Springs, Oklahoma
9. 1:20:00 – 1:30:00: Aaron Sutton, Beaches, Bianca Jagger, Joaquin Phoenix
10. 1:40:00 – 1:50:00: Country music, Amazon Live, Crappy Hour, Morgan Wade

Notable quotes from "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills S15E02: Whine, Lose, or Draw"

• Here today for Real Housewives of Beverly Hills recap. Monday at 400 PM Pacific time is our Amazon Live time.

  about Amazon Live · at 4:59

• I think full-on gay girl, right? She's like a lesbian. I think gay I think gay women were doing that before Lisa Vanderpump. But no, but just in the if it was a [ __ ] belly in the long timeline in the long.

  about Lisa Vanderpump · at 9:16

• That's what he's because he's making up for the guy. So [clears throat] now Erica and Sutton go to a go to a spa and it's hilarious because this spa is just like right on…

  about Aaron Sutton · at 26:41

• Here. And so she says, The last few weeks I've noticed something changing Jagger. It's like he's got the wit of the world on his shoulders. And we went to a friend of mine's…

  about Bianca Jagger · at 38:55

• You mean Phoenix? Oh yes. Yes. Of course. the number one of Arizona.

  about Joaquin Phoenix · at 42:32

• Like this doesn't like represent me. I feel like this like represents Kathy Hilton, and I just kind of like older people stuff.

  about Kathy Hilton · at 45:06

• Me. They're going to attack. So Amanda says, The night I met Eddie, I'm walking towards Santa Monica Boulevard with my girlfriend and I walk by this really cute tall guy and…

  about Santa Monica Boulevard · at 58:29

• Oh, well, Amanda Seafruit. No, Amanda Francis, right? Amanda Francis workshop.

  about Amanda Francis · at 1:02:10

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Kyle Richards — Person · 30 mentions
• Amanda (buyer of Kyle's Bel Air house) — Person · 20 mentions
• Dorit — Person · 18 mentions
• Erika Jayne — Person · 16 mentions
• Sutton Stracke — Person · 14 mentions
• Alexia Umansky — Person · 12 mentions
• PK — Person · 12 mentions
• Aaron Sutton — Person · 11 mentions · first at 26:45
• PK (Paul Kemsley) — Person · 10 mentions
• Mauricio Umansky — Person · 8 mentions
• Tom Girardi — Person · 7 mentions
• Daria ("Dar") — Person · 6 mentions
• Lisa Vanderpump — Person · 4 mentions · first at 9:11
• Bianca Jagger — Person · 3 mentions · first at 39:00
• Joaquin Phoenix — Person · 2 mentions · first at 42:32
• Kathy Hilton — Person · 2 mentions · first at 45:11
• Amanda Francis — Person · 2 mentions · first at 1:02:14
• Katie Mo — Person · 2 mentions
• Ashley Darby — Person · 1 mention · first at 32:22
  Ashley Darby is he officially single yet? because he's kind of my type. Actually, Darby's Now there's a man.
• Shalom — Person · 1 mention · first at 38:52
  So her dad Shalom was You did the right thing. You called us up. We're here. And so she says, The last few weeks I've noticed something changing Jagger. It's like he's got the wit of.
• Alex Baskin — Person · 1 mention · first at 56:44
  A week on Bravo. They're shoving it down. And it's the same producer by the way. It's Alex Baskin over there. Are you okay? Are you going through some kind of metaphysical therapy right now? Like what is happening with you that you're.
• Jennifer Tilly — Person · 1 mention · first at 1:09:45
  We're going to a party. It's a small party. It's at my friend's house, Jennifer Tilly. Okay. It's the boho cheek sit in a chair party. She just sits in chairs. That's what she does. So, look, it's sip and draw. Okay.
• Morgan Wade — Person · 1 mention · first at 1:41:23
  That's that's that's fine. but I'm I'm surprised. I was I thought I always thought Morgan Wade was an out and proud lesbian and did not realize that she is actually like we don't know what her sexuality is.
• Ben Mandelker — Person · 1 mention
• Brandi Glanville — Person · 1 mention
• Jennifer Garner — Person · 1 mention
• Kim Zolciak — Person · 1 mention
• Matt Dinniman — Person · 1 mention
• Mona Lisa — Person · 1 mention
• Ronnie Karam — Person · 1 mention
• Vicki Gunvalson — Person · 1 mention

Books & papers

• Dungeon Crawler Carl — Book · 1 mention · first at 53:06
  You little tiger. Oh, thanks for the article you sent me. how Matt Dinnenman's dungeon crawler Carl became a blockbuster. My favorite.

Companies & orgs

• Watch What Crappens — Company · 3 mentions
• Amazon Live — Company · 2 mentions · first at 5:03
• Giri's — Company · 2 mentions · first at 43:11
  Hills phase because now she's wearing a little blazer and they're here at this Giri's place where Kyle's like well this is my daughter Alexia. This is tradition. I mean I…
• CB2 — Company · 2 mentions
• Crunch Fitness — Company · 1 mention · first at 28:43
  [gasps] but that's also very LA that Crunch Fitness used to be right across from the McDonald's and whenever I first moved to LA and I was on those stair climbers they looked out right over the McDonald's. LA is evil like that. They.
• Vanderpump Rules — Company · 1 mention · first at 56:55
  Yeah. Go take it to Venus on Vanderpump Rules.
• McQueen (Alexander McQueen) — Company · 1 mention

Products & tech

• Birkin bag — Product · 6 mentions
• Money Mentality — Product · 2 mentions · first at 1:02:49
  You click on the first one that's called Money Mentality and it's her wearing diamond boots. It's all in pink, of course, getting out of a G Wagon with her shoulders covered but not her legs. And she's on the ground are,.
• Invisalign — Product · 1 mention · first at 50:29
  Really sure about Amanda. Her only personality trait so far seems to be is she wearing Invisalign or is she not? There's something about her teeth that there's very pretty teeth, but I was is there an invisible layer over.
• Money Queen app — Product · 1 mention · first at 1:02:26
  Oh, digital courses. Here we go. I found it. Our most popular digital courses from Amanda Francis Money Queen app. And you can tell she's like really rich and fancy because she…
• G-Wagon — Product · 1 mention · first at 1:02:53
  Money Mentality and it's her wearing diamond boots. It's all in pink, of course, getting out of a G Wagon with her shoulders covered but not her legs. And she's on the ground…
• Drop It With Drew — Product · 1 mention · first at 1:03:59
  How it's just unabashedly clearly a scam. This is the biggest scam since Drop It With Drew. I'm just going to tell say that right now. This is so obviously a like I'm you're…
• Money Mentality Makeover — Product · 1 mention · first at 1:04:22
  Money mental, which is higher than I even thought. So, good for her. The money mentality makeover course modules and there is nine modules $2,000. So, I guess that would be 18 grand if I'm doing this right.
• Vibe Membership — Product · 1 mention · first at 1:04:57
  She has manifested for sure. And I'm on the tab that says vibe membership. It looks like there's like a community. And what's really cool is that like if you scroll pretty far down, you can get the quote I'm in the.
• I'm in the Vibe affirmation cup — Product · 1 mention · first at 1:05:05
  Community. And what's really cool is that like if you scroll pretty far down, you can get the quote I'm in the vibe affirmation cup. I thought this was a scam, but then when I…

Concepts & topics

• Crappy Hour — Concept · 2 mentions · first at 5:07
  So, we'll be doing that. Also, this Monday will be our final crappy hour of the month of the year. It's going to be at 5:30 Pacific time. So, join us for that. You can find links for both of those things over on our Instagram in.
• Country music — Concept · 2 mentions · first at 1:45:07
  And then it has to become this big PR thing because she's in country music.
• Jacqueline Hyde — Concept · 1 mention · first at 18:38
  Things like that and like I can't lift it and I felt like I was being annoying because it was like [ __ ] Jacqueline Hyde.
• Chucky — Concept · 1 mention · first at 1:16:57
  Super cool she is. I just would love to have see Rachel have like a face to face with a Chucky doll because I feel like Rachel would like not know what to do. She's like…
• Beaches — Concept · 1 mention · first at 1:28:01
  Machine. I want to cry with her. It's just It's just heartbreaking, but also really fun. It's like beaches, basically. Breaks your heart by the end, but you want to watch it over and over again.

Places & events

• Bel Air — Place · 3 mentions
• Santa Monica Boulevard — Place · 2 mentions · first at 58:34
• Melrose Avenue — Place · 1 mention · first at 26:52
  Erica and Sutton go to a go to a spa and it's hilarious because this spa is just like right on Melrose Avenue. It's like right next to LA's which is like you know cute little…
• Glen Center — Place · 1 mention · first at 48:23
  That bought my Bellair house, her name was Amanda, and I bumped into her at the Glen Center the other day, and she's also getting married, and she's coming here today.
• Sand Springs, Oklahoma — Place · 1 mention · first at 1:10:13
  So, where are you from? She's Augusta, Georgia. You know? Oh my god, I'm from Sand Springs, Oklahoma.

Full transcript with timestamps

0:05 Welcome to Watch What Happens. To get our videos as soon as they're released instead of waiting for a week, head over to our Patreon. That's also where you'll find our bonus episodes and our Discord community. We love you guys.

0:25 Hello and welcome to Watch What Crapens, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandel and joining me today is the one and only Ronnie Carum. Hi Ronnie. How are you?

0:37 Good. How are you doing baby? I'm great. I'm just glad that your name is not Todd because otherwise we may be going through a divorce cuz the Todds on Bravo. They are not not lasting. Not lasting at all. Wow. Did you see?

0:52 Yeah. Rough time to be a Taja. Yeah. Rough time to be a Taja. I have to say um my uh I got a text from my brother a few nights ago and he was flying through Salt Lake City. He was connecting and he texted me. He said, "Hey, this guy is sitting behind me on the plane." And it was like a picture of Todd, like Todd, Bronin's Todd. And I of course lost my mind. I think I sent you a screenshot right away. And I was like, "Oh my god, oh my god, oh my god." And of course, my brother had no idea really who who he was, but like his but like his girlfriend recognized Todd, so he was like, "Yeah, there's this guy." And and um and then like about a half an hour later, my brother was like, "Every time he gets up to go to the bathroom, he grabs the back of my seat and uses it for leverage instead of using the armrest." He's like, "I'm going to [ __ ] kill this guy." I was like, "Of course Todd is one of those people."

1:42 Like, "Of course Todd grabs a chair." So my brother was like, I'm just going to recline right into him. He like he put his chair down. I was like, you do it, Dan. I was so happy for him. But um that was some great great reporting for my brother in disguise. And I'm like I'm just like so mad. I'm so mad that Todd does that. And yet I'm so unsurprised. Of course he's a seat puller.

2:06 Yeah, but why isn't Braumin sticking up for Meredith then? Because that's what Meredith did when she was shaking Britney's chair. I'm convinced of it. Damn it. your brother. I need more from your brother. Okay. I mean, I I like that information, but I was texting you. You need to tell him to ask some questions. Like, what the hell? Are you getting divorced or like pass by him and see what he's looking at on his iPad? You know,

2:28 I know. I was like, that's that's the shame of it. If if Dan were sitting behind him, he could have looked at all the girls that Todd was probably flirting with. But

2:36 alas, you know, that's the thing. And it's such a waste when non- Bravo people get get in that situation because they're like, "Haha, I'm behind a Bravo person." They text all the Bravo people, but they do nothing of worth, you know, like I need you to do some recon. You are there. You do. You don't understand. This is a huge chance, sir. Like, we need to train our friends.

2:57 Bravo watchers need to train our friends how to deal with situations like this. Like, I don't need a selfie of you and the person. I need you to get the dirt.

3:06 Well, I think the seat pulling was a pretty damning piece of dirt, I have to say, because it really speaks volumes. I mean, it just it says everything everything about this guy, right? Like, we should have just always known that that was his that was his MMO in life is to grab onto your seat and pull you down so that way he can get up and pee somewhere.

3:24 Yeah. He's probably like, if he had hair, he'd be one of those people who like luxuriated his hair over the seat back into your seat.

3:33 And I will pull those people's hair. I won't pull it. I won't pull it with my hands, but I will put my iPad up against it very hard and be like, "Oh, sorry. I was home. Sorry. Did that hurt? I was just trying to watch my film on my seat that I paid for." You freaking hate.

3:48 Seriously, get your stringy hair out of my seat. It's shocking that people do that. It's like It's It's actually shocking that people cascade their hair down into like my seating area and like it can get into my drink, you know, if it's long enough.

4:03 Yeah. Well, they can also get into my iPad creases. There are no creases. I'll close the iPad cover on it. That's what I'll do. The magnetic cover and then just like, oh, putting in my backpack.

4:14 Sorry. Does that hurt? Wash your hair. I feel like I'm going to start like um carrying paint painters tape or something. And so that way next time that happens, I'm just going to take some tape and tape the hair to the seat. So then when they try to get up, they're like,

4:28 "Well, that's assault." So, see, you have to do things in a tricky way because you can't assault somebody, but my iPad didn't know. I mean, I was just resting my iPad. You see, you have to be tricky about it.

4:39 What if I attach the tape in those little tape loops or get some double-sided tape, attach it to the seat first, and then when they cascade their hair down, their hair attaches to it, and then that's not assault. They just landed. They assaulted the tape.

4:52 It just started on fire. How about that? How about I just bring a lighter on the plane?

4:57 All right. Anyway, the point is we're here today for Real Housewives of Beverly Hills recap. Monday at 400 PM Pacific time is our Amazon Live time. So, we'll be doing that. Also, this Monday will be our final crappy hour of the month of the year. It's going to be at 5:30 Pacific time. So, join us for that. You can find links for both of those things over on our Instagram in our link in bio section. And today is Real Housewives of Beverly Hills season 15 episode two. Is this episode two? Oh [ __ ] God, we've got a long season ahead of us.

5:34 Episode long season. Long season. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're off to the races again.

5:43 Well, with this show, we're off to the races with How Kyle is a victim uh this season. I'm a little hell is a victim this time. So, let's let's go to it. What are you concerned about?

5:56 This show. I don't know. Uh I know it's early. It's early, but I'm like, is this what is this what the season's going to be like?

6:04 It's not a rollicking start. That's for sure. No, I'm still, you know, I still was giggling and enjoy, you know, enjoying it

6:10 and I still love to talk about it, but yeah, it's definitely a valid concern because

6:15 Yeah. Yeah. It's just a lot of the same, you know? It's Kyle still wallowing in whatever this is, whatever she's doing or whatever it is. The whole like closeted gay dating star, whatever they're doing, like I get it, but it's also 2025 and I'm so I'm annoyed on so many fronts because I'm annoyed that we live in a world where you would still find the need to be closeted, but we do live in that world. So, I'm not going to take that away from Morgan or Kyle or anybody else who's in the closet. It is a huge thing to contend with. It's not like you just come out of the closet and like, "Oh, that's it. You're just another gay and that's it." Your whole life does kind of become that. You know, you're the gay friend, you're the gay uncle, you're the whatever. Whenever there's a conversation about gayness, you're the one who has to speak on it in your f, you know, there is a lot that comes with

7:08 it. There is still a lot of hate and a lot of um bigotry and stuff like I don't know why I'm going on a whole monologue about it, but I get I get the closeted aspect of it. The other part of me is like, but you are the one that brought it on this show and made it a thing. Nobody else did. You're the one who brought it on and made that music video, fed her your, you know, did your feeding each other at your your friend's memorial service, which was highly inappropriate, that whole scene. Anyway, so part of me is like, why do I have to watch you cry about it? You know what I mean? Like there are people dealing with real issues.

7:41 Yeah, I I actually 100% agree. I kind of feel like like we we obviously don't have any issue with being closeted in terms of like we understand it, right? But it was actually like a weird it was the the the way that she was so koi that whole season about it all. Maybe, maybe not. but she was also bringing it around but then like was being elusive about it and then is gonna come on the episode here and kind of like blame Morgan for it. And I just am like Morgan it's it's one thing to say I'm with someone that doesn't want to be in the public eye and is uncomfortable with it. Sure, fine.

8:16 We've seen that a million times on Bravo. But then it doesn't really explain like this feeling that we had during that season where Kyle seemed to be really enjoying the benefits of being kind of like in this what at that time felt like a queer adjacent space. Um but then like not actually being part of it. I don't know. It was it was a I don't I don't know if her explanation today fully like lets her off the hook. I appreciate her. I appreciate her for finally addressing it in that way, but also like you can't blame it all on Morgan, you know?

8:56 Yeah. Well, I mean, it's Yeah. I The whole thing is just a little And also like you can't do this whole thing about Morgan and then come on screen dressed exactly like Morgan. Like did you notice that look when she was in the tie? Hold on, I got a picture.

9:11 You mean Lisa Vanderpump? Well, like the I mean, she's like going I think full-on gay girl, right? She's like a lesbian. I think gay I think gay women were doing that before Lisa Vanderpump. But

9:23 no, but just in the in the uh if it was a [ __ ] belly in the long timeline in the long timeline of Kyle dress of Kyle taking from Lisa Vanderpump, here's another another moment. However, I I actually actually thought it looked really good on Kyle.

9:38 It does look really good. But my point is, my point is that she shows up like Ste, you know, she steals everyone's look. She comes on dressed like Lisa Vanderpump all the time. Like you just mentioned,

9:48 she's like a copier. And she came on with this woman's hair and her look. It was the first picture when I looked it up. Like look at that. That's the exact same hair even. I mean, the color is different because Kyle has a different color hair, but I was like, "Okay, so now you're going to cosplay as Morgan while you tell us all not to talk about Morgan." Like, give me a [ __ ] break, Kyle. I just there's only so much I can take, you know? And I know that it it it goes close to being insensitive to people who Listen, I'm a gay person. I support gay gay men and women and everybody. I support my whole community, okay? But there comes a point where it's like, okay, but you're also baiting us at the same time. So, you need to kind of pick a lane here, lady.

10:30 Well, the good news is I am glad that she has picked her lane finally and she's, you know, and she is being more open and honest about it. But, um,

10:39 is she though? She's now she's saying they're broken up, but I don't know that. Are they broken up? Like, I just don't believe I don't believe anything Kyle says.

10:48 I don't know. I just I don't I think there's a difference between wanting to respect your partner's privacy and also like you can still be honest with your like yourself. At the same time, I I do appreciate like if you are on this journey and you're not quite comfortable, you know, like with yourself on it, etc. But sort of like you said, she kind of brought it on to the show. She was like she was, you know, before there was Mauricio, you know, in the lob of like every single hotel lobby in Los Angeles, there was Kyle Kyle and Morgan and like every single guest.

11:17 Well, that's the other thing. That's the other thing cuz it's not only the gay thing. It's the whole Mauricio thing as well. It's like you're the one who was kind of cheating on your husband with this lady publicly and bringing that I mean so then why am I crying for you at the same time? It's just basically a Kyle conundrum. You know what I mean? And it's now it's mixed up with homosexuality and all this other stuff. But at the at the

11:40 on the whole the issue is Kyle. It's not the gayness. It's not the closetedness. It's the Kyle choosing to share things or not share things and lying about things and misrepresenting things while she's lecturing everybody else and screaming at everybody else open and honest and this and that. Which she mentions today like I'm the one who's always saying open and honest, but I just can this situation cuz I respect the gay community. It's like, okay, but

12:04 stop bringing in front of my face then. Now, I I I guess for me what what is frustrating is that she really she really has literally run people off the show for not being quote unquote open and honest, right? And here she suddenly was willing to see shades of gray of what open and honest could suddenly mean when I mean I always go back to the Denise and Brandy thing. She really invoked a lot of gay panic in that entire storyline and sent Denise, you know, running. I mean, Denise is the master of her own choices, right? But ultimately, like it was a little bit of a a witch hunt and and sort of whipped everyone up into a frenzy about that.

12:37 And I also kind of feel like honestly if Kyle had just said, "Yeah, I'm seeing um I'm seeing a lady now." I think it would have been met with like a, "Oh, okay." Like maybe a shrug, maybe some people would have said, "Well, maybe some people would have said like, "Oh, you're doing it for attention, whatever." But like it was the it was actually the the continued like oh elusiveness elusiveness of of her and the way she was being koi about it like what no I mean I don't know what look what we just got tattoos but it's just like it's not it's not an M it's a W that stands for woman or whatever it was and um I just I think that's what's like very frustrating it is the hypocrisy of Kyle and the way she treats other people who try to similarly protect their peace and protect their partners. And then the way she was so, you know, like what was clutching her pearls that anyone would, you know, ask her questions and got to

13:35 the point where she actually told the entire cast, you're not allowed to even invoke her name, which was all of last season.

13:41 And then we have Oh, sorry. Go ahead. No. And then and then we're supposed to like praise her for finally being open on us. It's kind of like, well, I don't know. Yeah, I think she could have avoided this by saying, "Listen, I'm

13:54 My husband has put me through all kinds of [ __ ] over the years and because we still don't even know what happened there. Did he cheat? Did he not cheat?" She She's She insinuates things, but we never know. So, okay. So, my husband treated me in a way I didn't like. We're separating. I'm exploring my sexuality. I'm dating people, but it's no one serious yet, and I'm not ready to talk about it. The end. But instead, it became this whole, "How dare you even ask me? You don't You're not allowed to ask people in the gay community." and blah blah blah blah blah. And she made she made it about that. And that's what's starting to piss me off because the people in the gay community have enough [ __ ] to deal with without you using it for fodder

14:30 and for um you know, attention. It's It's annoying. It's annoying. But granted, I'm annoyed by Kyle anyway. So, this I I also have to admit that that comes from a a deeply rooted 12 year long

14:44 or 11 year long because I loved our first season uh kind of uh TV grudge, a parasocial grudge. So,

14:51 right. I mean, again, I despite my complaints, I I am appreciative that she has now gotten to a place where she can be like, "Okay, this is the situation." Um, but she still can't even, if I remember correctly, and we'll see when we get through the notes, I don't think she's even able to state that it was a woman she was in a relationship with. I think she still keeps on saying this person, this person, this person. So, she's still being really vague. And I guess that's what's so frustrating about me. I think I know she in her mind is like, I'm being protective, but actually you're you're just once again obscating a situation. And it's like it can be frustrating. It could be frustrating when she is the one who carries this banner and like and truthfully like a housewife that decides to like dabble quote unquote dabble in the Lady Bond. I mean this is not this is not new territory for us. Okay. We Kim Zulak

15:48 dated dated DJ what's her face years and years ago. So like you know we don't have to be we don't have to be coddled in this situation. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Well, there's that. Um I think I've got like a popcorn kernel stuck somewhere in my mouth, but I can't find it. So, that's probably Kyle's fault. Damn it. I know it's here somewhere. I'm sorry, everybody. Okay, so anyway, let's start at the Let's start at the beginning. I'm sure we'll have a whole year to [ __ ] about this. But also, Kyle's not the only one. Erica's dating somebody. She hasn't brought him on yet. I think she'll bring him on later. Did they show him on screen at one point? Maybe in the preview or something. I got it, by the way. Um, so people, it's not like it's new on this show that people don't want to share, you know, but [snorts] as a whole, it's getting kind of annoying.

16:33 It's like you're asking us to watch a show for the 12th year, but then you're giving us a laundry reasons of sh you're not going to share and like sad excuses why you're not going to share them.

16:42 Stop it. Open and honest. All right, let's get into it, shall we? We open at Rachel's house. She's talking to Kaas because I think the other one maybe doesn't want to be on screen. It's all Ka all the time. I only want my not eating any kind of cereal.

16:59 Yeah, he's not. No, thankfully the mouth nothing is flowing out of this mouth. Nothing is spraying everywhere. Ka has to go to camp. He has to go to camp and he's going to go away at a sleep away camp. So, it's like bananas where Ka has to go. Yeah. So, Bose comes in and we get the usual, "You're gorgeous. No, you're gorgeous. No, you're gorgeous." And she's like, I love Bose's energy. I love her positivity. I love her [ __ ] fearlessness.

17:29 We are such an odd pairing in like so many ways cuz like we are like so opposite in like the way we approach things. Like she's scared of nothing and I'm like scared of like literally everything. Like it's bananas. I'm like scared. Like when I say I die, it's cuz I'm scar I'm afraid of dying. I have a real fear of hurting someone's feelings which does hurt me sometimes. Like cuz you know like cuz I should hurt people's feelings sometimes like including my ex.

17:50 [snorts] Um, so they're catching up and this is so funny to me. Bose goes, "So, how's life?" And she goes, "Perily." It's like paralyzing sometimes.

18:02 But also, it's refreshing because like I make decisions now and I don't need to wait for some man to make decisions for me. Like, I mean, it's wild. It's like literally wild. I died. I literally died telling you that. But like paralyzed. By the way, could you feed me with a straw? Like, it's hard. It's hard. lift my wrists. I was like living in an anxious state with like shields up all the time. I don't know how I don't have walls. Walls are like so 2009. I have shields to a point where like I felt like I was walking on eggshells about things that like were like can you put like my carry-on in the overhead like you know things like that and like I can't lift it and I felt like I was being annoying because it was like [ __ ] Jacqueline Hyde.

18:42 Look honey, here we are on a plane. No, WHY DO I HAVE TO PUT YOUR [ __ ] YOUR [ __ ] SUITCASE IN THE CARRYON AGAIN? All right, let's just have a nice ride together. I just I just love her version of Jacqueline. Hi. One minute he's okay with putting my suitcase in the carry in the carry-on slot and the next minute he's not like who even are you right now? You know what I mean? But I can also totally imagine Raj being super pissy about carry-on. I can imagine being like, "Ra, you always packs so much." I can see him being a real dick about it. So Bose's like, "Speaking of that, I thought it was interesting when we started having the conversation about the photos that have been circling and all that. And I don't know that I got your opinion, but like if I saw your ex in the press kissing somebody, how would you feel about that? Or if you saw your ex even worse?"

19:30 And she says, "Well, I did." And Bose is like, "Yeah, I love Bose's level of shock at everything in this episode." She's like, "Yeah, it's funny cuz like no one really cared. It came out in the Daily Mail and it was like really funny cuz like people like saw it and were like, "Oh, cool." But they weren't like, "Oh, wow." They were just like, "Oh, cool." So they just like moved on. So it was like weird, but it was like cool. Yeah. And please remember that I have kids that are 14 and 11. Okay. And for me, a lot of it is like I mean, are you okay? Are you unwell? Like what the [ __ ] are you thinking about? I mean, I can't imagine anything more [ __ ] indiscreet than being photographed on the sidewalks of Los Angeles with your arm around your girlfriend that nobody even knows about.

20:14 I mean, that was the thing. It's like, not only are you dating somebody, you're dating somebody nonf famous in Los Angeles. That is embarrassing. Kais has to go to sleep away camp. Yeah. Like, what about your businesses? What about your team? What about our investors? What about our companies? What about our kids? I'm like, I love that kids was at the end of that list. like team businesses team investors company and like ka like what about ka

20:44 yeah I don't understand their business structure but why do investors care if your husband's dating somebody but

20:49 they don't care at all yeah probably it's a scandal maybe a scandal could be bad for the brand

20:55 yeah but it's a good episode for Kyle because she's like what about our company our kids I mean hide hide so she's like, "Yeah, but you know, like I didn't understand and it really did upset me, you know." And Kyle's like, "Well, I just haven't dated when I said you were dating." She was like, "No." And P goes, "And you were like, whoa." Yeah. I was like, "Whoa." So, by the way, like it's okay. Like, you're maybe she's not ready, but like ever. Like, are you going to date ever? Like, what the hell? Regardless of who Kyle's seeing, the truth about the fact that you're seeing somebody or exploring other options could be a safe space for us to discuss versus a total shutdown. And then the wall that says, "No, I'm not doing anything." And then it's like, "I'm sorry. Are we friends or are we not to hurts cuz there's like speculation about what's going on with Kyle? Is she dating somebody? Is she not? Is she trying to

21:50 get back with Mauricio? Is she not?" And I think people have asked her that like question, but Kyle is out there dodging him like the damn Matrix.

21:57 So, it's a damn shame, Bose. and Garcel didn't get along better or they didn't hit it off right from the start because they would have been a good team because Garcel's gone and Bose is like, "Okay, I will take up your mantle. Thank you very much. I will continue coming after Kyle about who she's dating."

22:15 Yeah. So, Bose is like, "That's why I'm just like, look, if we don't want to break that barrier, that's fine with me, but let me know so I can spend my energy elsewhere." Toilets. That was so good. So, now we go to Mauricio's house. Kyle shows up and uh he's got this like, you know, mid-century house up in the hills and everything and she's like, "Wow, this is like beautiful. Like you acted like you're living in the slums." He's like, "No, no, I never said I was like living in the slums. Just like I just have like a just tiny little, you know, starter house. That's it. Just this, you know, $1 million house. It's basically like a shack. That's it."

22:50 Oh, why do you think I need so many towels? Why are you bringing me like eight more towels, Kyle? She's like, "Um, by the way, these towels are for our daughters, not for any of these skanky hoes that I've seen you with." Okay. So, they had agreed that he was going to lease a place for 6 months and then they would have a discussion about their relationship after, but he went straight from that place and then leased a house without even talking to Kyle. So, what the hell? She's like, "We didn't even have the conversation about potentially fixing up things in the future."

23:20 I was like, "That was supposed to be my storyline this season." Hello. You've been pretty steadily dating somebody for a while. This is this is the other thing that's making me crazy. Like you've been dating someone for a while. Why is it like poor sad Kyle who might have had a chance to put it back together with Mauricio? I don't get it.

23:38 Yeah. So Kyle's like, "Um, did the girls tease you about the photos that came out?" Just kidding. I already know what they said. Let's just say it though. Mauricio's like, "Yeah, there was like a little bit of teasing. I mean, they told me that I'm in my hostage." Yeah, that was so funny. The hostage 67. Am I right? Sorry. It's just what the kids say. Okay. Well, this place looks like it's on fleek.

23:57 So, he asks if she's gone on any dates and she's like, "Um," like she gives him this look like, "How dare you? You know, I'm not going to talk about this on camera." [clears throat] And she's like, "Well, I mean, um, no, no, I mean, I'm I'm single." And he goes, "Yeah, but that's why you're allowed to go on dates." She's like, "Um, well, I haven't gone on dates and I mean, I would not be in a situation like you. sorry to say.

24:22 He's like, you never know. You know, you get it going on. You got the passion, the whole thing. Wow. She's like, um, yeah, shut up.

24:31 Shut up. Yeah, but like um when you're saying that, like you're also referencing yourself and I just like don't need to hear that, Mauricio. He's like, okay, fair enough. So she's like, "Yes, I have dated since Mo and I have, you know, and you know, I have dated since Mo and I have separated and but I can also be private and discreet and unlike Mo, we don't need to see that of each other and our kids don't need to see that. And I don't feel the need to parade around showing it off. I just feel the need to parade it around and pretend like it's not a parade. It's actually just like people all in the street moving at the same rate and there happens to be a float in the street, but it's not a parade. And that's my prerogative.

25:10 Yeah. I mean, I think when you separate, you're allowed to see other people. I'm not really getting this. I mean, I I know she is saying that, too. She just doesn't want to see it in the press, but I mean, you're famous and you also call them all the time.

25:21 So, Mauricio's like, "So, how are you?" and she says um she had the girls over for a party and Dar was talking about how she was really mad about Dar about the PK photos and that she basically blamed it on Mauricio because PK was inspired by Mauricio's photos and he's like well that sounds like so ludicrous to me and she's like yeah but like she seems like angry

25:46 uh at him. No K no Mauricio she's angry at UPS. Of course at him like And he's like, "Well, that's a vibe I get from her." But like, he's not angry at all, you know? Well, yeah, of course he's not

26:01 cuz he's banging banging randos at the ballet stand. Yeah. He's the one that left her and has been banging randos and just left home and doesn't have to take care of kids or do [ __ ] anything. Of course, he's not mad. Why would he be? He gets everything.

26:15 Yeah. He's like, "Uh, yeah, like based on my perception, she's got a little bit of a fantasy of what the reality actually is, you know?"

26:22 So, now we go to Erica. What does that mean? She's got a little bit of a fantasy of what the reality is. Stop speaking in Kyle, sir. What does that What does that sentence even mean?

26:32 He's saying that she's deluded. That's what he's saying. He's saying that she has like her own version of reality. He's trying to be very polite about saying like she's cuckoo for coconuts. That's what he's because he's making up for the guy. So [clears throat] now um Erica and Sutton go to a uh go to a spa and it's hilarious because this spa is just like right on Melrose Avenue. It's like right next to LA's which is like you know cute little Argentinian restaurant that people know. People in the neighborhood know and it's just funny cuz it's like not a Beverly Hills kind of restaurant or stretch. And I just was shocked that they did not capture Sutton like getting out of her Uber and being like oh oh dear oh this is oh this is Melrose Avenue. Okay. Am I going to be safe here? Oh, there's a man on a skateboard. Okay, run. Everyone get inside. Lock the doors. Man on a skateboard.

27:19 Well, she did look highly uncomfortable coming in there. She did not look comfortable. She was like looking around like where the [ __ ] are we? Of course, this is an Erica scene. You're bringing me to, you know, Fallujah or whatever. Just like where even are we? They're lucky that Heather Dro didn't pass by after Gramley's class. Like, hello ladies. Are you going to be going to Laas afterwards? Me neither. So, uh, they tell each other how cute they are, of course. And Sutton's like, "Well, Erica and I have been through a lot in the past few years." And, um, you know, she's invited me for a spa day, so it's just me and Erica. I am expecting just a hose, some white rain, but um, I'm here. I'm here.

28:09 Erica's like, "Yeah, this is Erica extending an olive branch. Take it." Although, it's also Erica pranking Sun because the building next door is a restaurant called It's All About the Bread. That's not even a joke. That's really what it's called. It's a very triggering sign for us ladies on Beverly Hills.

28:24 A life story. And that that is actually the biggest affront is that the restaurant on the other side of this place is called it's all about the bread because LA is

28:36 that's those are fighting words for this cast you know [gasps] but that's also very LA that that uh Crunch Fitness used to be right across from the McDonald's and whenever I first moved to LA and I was on those stair climbers they looked out right over the McDonald's. LA is evil like that. They do [ __ ] like that on purpose.

28:55 Yeah. So Erica is extending an olive branch uh at this place where they're going to get facials. And so she's like, "Did you have fun yesterday? You and Dariq got along. I noticed." And she's like, "Oh yeah, I just wanted her to I just want to allow her some grace from being a crazy person." And Erica's like, "Yeah, I think she'd really like that." I can almost feel her energy a little bit. I so much so I almost started speaking with a British accent, which was a little bit crazy.

29:19 I just feel her. I feel her deep inside me. You know, I almost asked somebody for $5 yesterday for no reason. which is just a poor.

29:26 This is also Oh god. I almost put $30,000 in a in a in a in a cart and just walked around a poor person stored until I got robbed. That's how much I was feeling her and then called it five different stores every time I told the story. Anyway, those were good times. So Erica, this is a classic Eric Erica scene where she gets together with Sutton and pretends to be Sutton's friend right before she [ __ ] her over. It happens. It's happened like three or four seasons. I think it's so funny that Sutton falls for it every single time.

29:55 Erica does not like you, okay? She's going to take whatever you tell her, she's going to bait you into saying something and then she's going to turn on you, you dummy.

30:04 So Sutton talks about how she went through her divorce. She was just surprised at every turn. And yet, I was a mother still maintaining that kind of stability at home. So, I want to be more open-minded and openhearted with Tariq because I know that she's going through a really tough time and she's doing it in just poverty. So, so um I know that you're so you're over everything with Tom, right? Right. She's like, "Oh, no. I'm not over that. I'm just heartbroken. It [ __ ] sucks knowing that the person died that being married to for that long and seen him on the courthouse and see him like that and knowing that he's going to die prison and he's lost his mind and oh my god it's so heartbreaking. Yes, we thought I'll have some more lotion on my face for this facial. Yes, thank you. I love this. Like I feel so bad for him as she's just getting fully pampered in a spa like it's terrible what's happening

30:56 to poor Tom. It's just so heavy on any level. Well, are you going to, you know, say goodbye?

31:03 I don't know, but I've thought about it. I mean, what do I even do? You go say goodbye. The [ __ ] is wrong with you? You ingrate. Okay, that man was a monster, but you profited heavily off the monsterism. Go say goodbye.

31:16 Write a thank you card at least. I mean, get some free moisturizer from the [ __ ] front desk and send it to him. Something

31:23 something. Um, so Erica's like, "Yeah, I mean, I said this to somebody the other day. I just kind of hoped he'd die before he went to prison so that way you can just get it over with.

31:34 She really should get into the greeting cards business. Hope you die today so I don't have to deal with you tomorrow. You sick [ __ ]

31:44 Hope today is the day you die because it' be way worse if you wind up in prison and die there. Have a lovely day.

31:50 Happy birthday. Do us both a favor and make it your last so I don't have to shop for you next year. You [ __ ] great. Hey, happy birthday. Glad you're one year older. Now you can shut the [ __ ] up. Signed Eric Gerard on your bar mitzvah.

32:05 Get well, Neville, compadre. Um, so Sutton asks how old he is. He's 86. And Sutton goes, "Oh my gosh, he's older than my mom." She like, "Yeah, and he's really not in good health. He's going to die in there." Ashley Darby is like, "Um, is he officially single yet? because he's kind of my type.

32:29 Actually, Darby's like, "Now there's a man." Well, I have thought about listening, Tom.

32:35 And is this where she's wearing her insane outfit? She Yeah, this is this was she's here like express, believe it or not, I I do have empathy for What is empathy? But I do have empathy for Erica because it is a really it's a weird situation like you want to honor the marriage you have because it's not like he did anything like bad to her but he did it like according to her he lied about everything. So there's that. So it's like do you have a moment to honor the like the good times that you had with this guy? Uh because her whole story is that he lost his mind. He had dementia and the reason why he did all these things was because of dementia. So then do you like honor what you used to have or do you say this guy lied to me and betrayed me? I don't know what the answer is, but watching her trying to like work her way through it while dressed in this crazy outfit with this like this widebrimmed hat and this it's

33:29 like blue and orange and there's letters all over it. It's like why does this not feel like a contemplative moment? She just looks insane. I have no empathy for her. I don't believe he lied to her or any of that. The stuff she's still in trouble for is just so [ __ ] vile and rancid. She's a disgusting person. And I hate this. Like, let's try and put Eric Erica under a soft light. I'll take it because I still love this show. But I'm just shaking my head like, are you [ __ ] kidding me? Come on. Like, how many of us were are born a minute? Give me a break.

33:58 It's more like I have empathy for a situation like that. I don't know if I I don't know if I care enough about Erica to have empathy for her. It's more like I have empathy for a situation where if you're in a marriage with someone and they it it turns out that they have defrauded a lot of people like what do you do in that and they go to jail. What do you do in that situation? So it's more like the hypothetical the hypothetical of the Ericenness of it all in this situation is what I empathy for.

34:24 But according to her and and and what you just said according to Erica as you just reminded us

34:30 it's the uh what defense the uh he was losing his mind like he had dementia. Okay. So if your family member has dementia you just never go see them and never talk to them again. That's crazy.

34:44 That's why it is a little that's why it's a little weird to me. It's horrible. Like if we're going to just believe what Erica said, like let's just pretend for a second I do. She says her husband has empathy. That's or he has dementia. That's why he does all these things. So she just lets him rot and die alone. That's [ __ ] That's just shitty. Like sorry disgusting. And I'm not standing up for Tom. I'm just pointing out that Erica is not this like angelic figure that we should all be lining up to feel bad for.

35:10 Yeah. I don't but what I will also say and this is again in a theoretical Erica this is this this is not taking into consideration the stuff that you brought up about like the stuff that she's in still in court for like I don't know if like her saying goodbye to Tom visiting him in jail like will he recognize her I don't know like is that actually going to be helpful to the situation does that actually cause

35:36 doesn't matter I mean if you're closure if your friend that you know, whatever you maybe you had some issues with, but somebody gets dementia and is sent to the hospital and you're like, they did bad things when they had dementia. I mean, doesn't dementia trump it?

35:52 I mean, I would I would visit. I would visit, but I understand that for some I understand that for some people it's like actually it could like they want to remember the person and the way that they were. I think that like she just is like she just doesn't she's scared to see him like it's like I think she's scared to see this version of Tom of like old behind bars not rich but his mind going etc. And I think that's what it comes down to.

36:24 Yeah, she's gross. I think so. Um so she's like well I mean would he even want to see me? Would he know who I am? Is there going to be a magical answer to all the questions? No. And I've realized through a lot of therapy that you're not getting closure. You got to close it yourself.

36:40 Um, was that like a message for the victims that she was sending? America scene. It's just it's just a, you know, run-of-the-mill sociopath scene, you know, sociopath at a spa scene.

36:53 Well, the whole thing from the people and the victims and, you know, what am I saying? all of it to this the dying to dying in prison is just pure and sanity. Okay. Yeah. A little hotter on the on the foot rub there. That's just lovely. Thank you so much.

37:07 Yeah. S's like, "Yeah, that is some pretty messed up shit." She like, "Wow, I just use the sh word right on television. That's how much I'm trying to bomb with Erica." So Erica says that five years later and she's still fighting her way out because she's still got civil cases that are in motion. And I don't know that I'll ever get away from this. I don't know what happens to me, you know, ultimately in the end with her big hat hanging on her. And uh

37:34 I know I know one thing that's not going to happen to her, evolving her musical style.

37:40 Don't stop ever. Yeah, tonality not of us. It just stops late in life, you know.

37:48 So Erica's like, "Well, uh you know, it's just a whole [ __ ] disaster. Oh god, all the victims. All the this, all the that.

37:57 Well, she's getting like cold cream put on her face. She's like, "Oh god, the victims." And just the way it ended. I mean, God.

38:05 Well, I hope you get some relief. I was going to put debt relief in there, but I took it out because this is a Sutton's a good person season. So, just squinty. I'll just sit over here squinting at you and nod my head and not saying anything judgmental. I hope Erica gets some relief, too, because God knows when you're just just lying there getting a facial, someone's rubbing your shoulders, and you're just getting pampered all day long. Relief is hard to come by. So, then we go to Dit's house and her mother and father are there. So, um, she's like, "Oh, the fact that you've been here, it's a game changing. I can't even bear the thought of you guys going.

38:45 It just stings not having any family here." No, not having you guys closer to me.

38:52 So her dad Shalom was like, "You did the right thing. You called us up. We're here." And so she says, "The last few weeks I've noticed something changing Jagger. It's like he's got the wit of the world on his shoulders." And we went to a friend of mine's for dinner and she had her father there and he was regailing us with stories of when he was younger and when he got home, Jack burst into tears and was telling me how much he missed his Sabba. And I said, "Well, we can get a different hummus brand." And he goes, "No, grandpa." I said, "Oh, that's what you've been meaning all these years." Yes, sure. I held him. I held him for over an hour as he sobbed. IT TOOK MY SOUL RIGHT OUT OF MY HEART. Ripped it away. It's a big D acting episode. So Rachel's like, "Okay, well, we're going to take them to Florida. They're going to have a great time. Dar." Okay, so yes, to answer your question, we will take the kids to

39:44 Florida. OH, THANK GOD. MAYBE JACOB will return to me after he spent some time in Flora, the mystical lands of Flora. So Rachel is like, "Well, not to change the subject to eat, but as much as you are worried about Jagger, I'm so worried about you and your health. You don't get enough sleep. You don't get enough rest. You don't get enough nutrition. And you're dumber than a piece of wood. Where did we go wrong?" I knew and I feel it. I feel the weight of it. And that's saying some that's saying something for somebody who slept under PK for so long. But you know PK used to handle everything. And now it's like he's dumped a lot of things in me lap without any notice. Noticeably [ __ ] [ __ ] himself.

40:33 He handled everything including other people's boobs. I've not had a conversation with PK to learn what he's expecting me to pay or what he's paying. I just find out from the business manager if he decides he's no longer paying something and it lands right in my lap. Have you ever had an entire bowl of chicken salad land on your lap? That's what has literally happened ever since this happened. Who doesn't pay for their chicken salad?

40:58 I don't know what's coming, when it's coming. I have to get a new business manager. I had to get a divorce attorney. And then she tells us, so this was weird. But I don't know if you saw this circulating on the internets, but um she says PK doesn't give me any money. He doesn't give me any money. He expects me to pay the bills and he believes he's doing more than enough and I don't even know what he's doing. But the um where is it? Let me find it here. But the captions were not saying that. It was the captions were saying PK pays the mortgage and the school.

41:33 What do you think that's about? Yeah, the captions. Yeah, I don't know. The captions were definitely reporting something else which is

41:40 and they do that sometimes. Do you think that's because they go back and they re-edit right before air and they haven't given it to the caption people yet?

41:47 Yes. Yes. Or they forget to update the captions yet. There clearly was a different edit of the show and they were like, "No, we're going to like not we're the original edit like gave PK credit for doing mortgage or something and now they're like no, no,

42:00 we're not giving him that any credits." They're like smear him even further. Although I can't stand enough for PK. I mean PK deserves what he gets. Um so uh Daria is saying you know um I'm in fight or flight. I'm trying to be a mom and a parent from 13 different countries. And how you worry about me. Imagine it's a hund times more how I worry for my kids. [ __ ] and the girl who keeps coming over.

42:30 Tucson. Is it Sedona? You mean Phoenix? Oh yes. Yes. Of course. the number one number one of Arizona.

42:37 Now, let's go to Kyle and Alexia shopping at Giries, where we all go to get our wedding stuff eight weeks before a wedding. So, they've um they're going to they're talking to the store manager who already looks like she's not buying their [ __ ] She's like, "Mhm. Hi. So, you're here not to really spend any money and just, you know, take up hours of my selling time in my store, so I make no commissions." That's amazing. What can I not help you with, [ __ ]

43:02 I know. And Alexia is now uh entering her um like little housewife of Beverly Hills phase because now she's wearing a little blazer and they're here at this at this Giri's place where Kyle's like um well this is my daughter Alexia. This is tradition. I mean I registered here and like your aunts registered here and everybody registered here. Tradition is like I feel like you know this is where we have Thanksgiving or like here's an heirloom but not like where you register. This is this is this where we register is very important to us. So basically it's a right of passage for this family to register at Giries and um looking around the store you can see it's like very expensive china and glassear and housewares and all I could think about was how boring all this [ __ ] looked. I am sorry for everyone who was duped into paying a premium for this. I'm sorry.

43:58 Like this could not like if you're Alexia, you're 29 and you're going to get this stuff like this is gh I was like no way just because it has a a high price tag and sure it's probably a very high quality stuff. Let's not let's not you know kid ourselves but like gh I just was sad for Alexia's future when I saw this stuff. Did you have a reaction or was this like a Ben moment?

44:19 Well, I thought it it was stuff that I had never seen before. like they're looking at these which why would I not getting married not going to get married never been married not doing it if you if you ask me for something I'm sending you a 20 no that's getting that's not true I'll buy you the gift but these gifts yeah they were really expensive I had never seen these plates before they were really bright colors like one was really bright blue and then there's a bright pink and then a bright yellow and then you're supposed to kind of mix and match them and put them on top of each other I thought it looked very like units

44:47 like from the mall from the 80s you know it's just like really bright solid colors and I don't know, I didn't really get it.

44:54 But formal and like unapproachable and like it looked like it belonged in a different era, you know? It didn't it didn't seem like if I'm 29 like this is like this doesn't like represent me. I feel like this like represents Kathy Hilton, you know, and I just

45:14 kind of like older older people stuff. Yeah. And so it just felt like Alexia's like cosplaying. I'm on their website now and I'm just looking at all their stuff and I'm like, I would literally never want any of this. Well, actually, some of the bar the bar stuff is actually really cute. They have like a decanter for $2,800, which is ridiculous cuz you're going to put a $2,800 piece of glassear in a space where people get drunk. Okay, congratulations.

45:37 Well, that's what I was thinking too is um it's just so you're just so rich. Honestly, if you expect people to come to your wedding and buy you a $2,800 decanter, I'm like, [ __ ] you. Like I'm not coming to your wedding. That's the other thing.

45:50 Like who are you who do you think you're inviting to your wedding? Like I ain't made of money. But I think that's a class thing, right? Because I'm not I'm not rich enough to be going to weddings like that. Like I would never do that. I would never buy that.

46:02 I No. Look, I I here's the thing. So I imagine if you're registering you have some aspirational registry elements like you you have a I'm registered at Guri's but I'm also registered at like Bloomingdales and Macy's or Nordstrom's but I feel like if this is going to be the registry this is like like I agree not everyone that's going to Alexia's wedding is going to be able to plop down you know $1,100 for an Orientaliano Oram t-shirt. service with Trey and like and Alexa is going to sit there wanting a tea service, you know, like it's just to me when when as I look at the site, I'm really like whipping myself up into a frenzy and the caffeine is helping too. But like when Kyle is like, "Yeah, this is where your aunts registered and I registered and your grandmother registered." I'm like, "That's because you all were poor and wanted the rich [ __ ] so you registered here so the rich people you

47:02 were trying to ingratiate with would buy you rich [ __ ] So now you could cosplay as rich people until you became rich yourselves.

47:09 Yeah. So I mean I guess that's what it is, you know. I just can't imagine being 29 and being like, "Okay, we're having people over to dinner. Pull out the $20,000 china." You know, like

47:18 I know. I just don't have any friends that I could even trust around that. It's just weird to me.

47:24 Yep. It's just all the stuff I'm like I just would never want in my house. Yeah. The thoughts of a non- rich person seeing this scene, I'm like, "Yeah, I don't get it." So, um, she's like, "Well, um, normally I would have Kathy come because, you know, tradition, but, um, she's not here." So, I asked another out of touch, you know, rich white lady to come. Sutton's coming. So, Sutton comes and she's like, you know, squitting around and, um, Carl says that the family's bad at planning and the only thing they have eight weeks before the wedding is a rabbi, which that is crazy, especially in this town. I don't know that I believe it. Well, where did they end up getting married?

47:59 I forget. Was it in like something? I don't I don't remember. Maybe they got married at Yuri's. They're like, "Well, um, can we ask you a favor?" A

48:09 um, the $2,800 decanter will be saying your vows. So, she's like, "Oh, one, by the way, want to hear how funny this is?" Okay, wait. I'm going to stretch. So, the girl that bought my Bellair house, her name was Amanda, and I bumped into her at the Glen Center the other day, and she's also getting married, and she's coming here today.

48:28 Yeah. Isn't that amazing? Yeah. Amanda bought my old house in Bair for me. And like for whatever reason, my followers were very angry with Amanda for smashing our beautiful floors. And we see video footage of like Amanda's man taking a sledgehammer to the

48:43 It was glorious. I was glorious. And you know, casting was like, "Get her on the show immediately." Cuz if anyone can trigger Kyle, it's someone taking a sledgehammer to the floor she copied off of Kathy Hilton.

48:56 Yeah, I was happy. And the four people who they they whose names they put up on screen that were like, "No, how could you do that?" We all know that those were those were all Fin accounts for Kyle's daughters. Let's be honest. Um, was this the house that had the bean-shaped pool in the backyard?

49:11 Yes, that was your the the pool that you absolutely hated. I think this was the bean-shaped pool.

49:16 I did hate that pool. But I love this. I love that house. I actually like that house so much more than her current house. I actually hate her current house.

49:25 Do you? What What do you hate about hate it. I've always hated it. Well, obviously the neon art has been an issue, but that's not a house issue. I hate the hedges when they drive up. I feel like they're too tall and too like they just make the driveway feel tight. I feel like it's like formal and and like not warm in there. I don't know. I feel like it's more generic. It just looks like every other house, whereas the other one was a little bit more like mid-century if I remember. And I like the way it like spread out and I liked the backyard. And I don't know, I just felt like the first one had more personality.

49:58 Yeah. Well, um, Amanda sledgehammerred the [ __ ] out of that personality and it was glorious to see. So Amanda comes and they all have Birkin bags and so the price comes up of all these Birkin bags and Amanda's is like half the price as the other ladies and I was like, "Oh, Kyle clocked that." You know, Kyle clocked that [ __ ] right away. Kyle's already got like a list going of what she's going to get this girl on. But u, this is Amanda, everybody. Amanda. Not really sure about Amanda. Her only personality trait so far seems to be like, is she wearing Invisalign or is she not?

50:33 There's something about her teeth that there's very pretty teeth, but I was like, is there an invisible layer over them? That's all I kept thinking the whole episode.

50:41 How about you? I thought Amanda was going to come in and be a hilarious [ __ ] because in the previews she's like, "Oh, is she mad because she like played herself and like didn't mean to play herself, but she did play herself in front of people who didn't play themselves and now she looks stupid because the rest of us look cool." She said something like that in the preview and I was like, "Yes, yes, queen." And then she came in actually being a little bit more perky than I was wanting. I was like, "Oh, so it turns out you're like nice and perky."

51:07 Okay. Yeah. I wouldn't say per I mean I wouldn't use the term perky. I think she seemed kind of dead inside, which I think is an okay quality in a person and a housewife. It's But we've already got Erica. I don't know that we can handle more than one dead inside, you know.

51:23 How about I revise it to uh perky presenting? Okay. Yeah. Basic. Maybe. She's very She's What you What' you say?

51:31 Basic. Basic. She's like, "Look, I have money now and I carry a Birkin and you know, I'm just like another blonde lady with a Birkin in Beverly Hills." She's like um a CB2 and they're giries which is every all of them are dead on the inside but CB2 at least is trying to be fun.

51:50 Yeah. But she is bringing in fun stuff because she is sledgehammering Kyle's floors and we know competitive Kyle is not going to like that. She's carrying a Birkin. We know competitive Kyle is not going to like that even though Kyle won this round.

52:03 And the third thing is she's also getting married. So now she's got wedding competition. So Kyle is gonna hate this person and I am here for it.

52:14 Yeah. Um this girl dare daining to have a wedding while Kyle is planning a wedding for her storyline is like a huge affront to her. So I think Kyle's just going to bring it up like 10 more times that Amanda's in her old house as like a power play cuz she did do that to Sutton when Sutton stayed at her house. She's like, "Oh my god, it's so funny cuz like S lived in my is in my house right now." Isn't it funny cuz S's basically like a renter? It's like basically she's like a street urchin, right? I mean, it's like hilarious that she's even in our group.

52:40 Like, is she even allowed to be in Guries? You know, she does keep saying like, "She's in my house. She's in my house, guys." Yeah, she lives in my house. It's like

52:49 in this town. Oh, in this town. We didn't do the We didn't do the opening lines and I actually just pulled them up. You want me to send them to you?

52:57 Please do. Yeah, I forgot to do that. In this town. Okay, I'm sending them to you right now, you little tiger. Oh, thanks for the article you sent me. how Matt Dinnenman's dungeon crawler Carl became a blockbuster. My favorite.

53:10 You talk about him a lot. I want to say something while I pull up these taglines, which is that if anyone thought my rant about Giri's was like I'm like [ __ ] [ __ ] rich [ __ ] whatever. Like, no. I love rich [ __ ] I love like wealthy.

53:23 Are you worried that people with stick the stick up their ass brigade is going to come for you?

53:28 No. Well, well, no. I I'm worried that I'm like people may think I'm trying to like virtue signal some sort of like like eat the rich thing. I'm I'm not doing that. Like I don't care if something like if something's expensive but like beautiful and chic, then like I'm like, "Yeah, splurge. If you can do it, you know, I support it. I just think this [ __ ] looks old-fashioned and they're they're paying a fortune for it." And I'm like, "Why would you want this oldfashioned [ __ ] in your house, you know? I mean, cut to like in 10 years maybe I'll be like, "Take me to Guries. I'm getting that plate." But also, I'll be 57 in 10 years and it will probably like be my vibe, you know? and I have become more like my tastes have become more and more

54:07 gay. I love that like a scene has gone by and you're like but wait what are the people of Gir's going to think?

54:13 No, what if I'm rich enough to go into Gir's and I get that sales lady and she's like I listen to your show and I know what you really think. You will get no pink plates here. Get out of here you giri shaming.

54:24 You know what I hope they're listening. I hope they're listening so that way they know that that like we are clocking them for selling old-fashioned boring [ __ ] at way too high of a price point. My only thing is I didn't want people to think I was like trying to pretend to be some sort of like yeah like like you know like cuz everyone knows I'm bougie. Everyone knows I love and all that [ __ ] So I didn't want people to think I was suddenly being fake. I just was saying I think their [ __ ] is oldfashioned and overpriced.

54:54 Okay. All right. Okay. Opening lines. Record corrected. Record corrected. So, uh, we go to the opening lines. Um, and Kyle, got to hand it to Kyle for season 15 gives us a classic. Earlier I said season 12. Sorry, I'm stupid. Um, but she gives us a classic. In this town, oh yes, in this town. [ __ ] love it. I love that she's still doing that. In this town, stars come and go, but diamonds last forever.

55:25 Yeah. And some I would say the same as some of these episodes. Um Rachel Zo says, "I die for fashion, but now I'm living for me.

55:35 Right now I'm paralyzed, but at least I'm paralyable." Die for passion, paralyzed for Jennifer Gardner.

55:43 And Bose is I turn ambition into an art form and I am the masterpiece. sen tracks is I might live on the main road but I definitely bring main character energy

56:00 okay so constructed right like it should be I might live on a main road but I'm not a main something or other

56:11 I I might live on a main road but that's because I bring main character energy not like

56:15 you need an and not a but or an and I might live I live on on a main road and I'm main character energy. Yeah.

56:23 Yeah. I might live on a main road, but I definitely No. And I definitely bring main character energy, you know, like owning that main road energy.

56:32 Yeah. Um and then Amanda's is I didn't marry into money. I manifested it. Oh god. Another [ __ ] manifesttor two times in a week on Bravo. They're shoving it down. And it's the same producer by the way. It's Alex Baskin over there. Are you okay? Are you going through some kind of metaphysical therapy right now? Like what is happening with you that you're putting manifestors in front of our face all of a sudden?

56:55 Yeah. Go take it to Venus on Vanderpump Rules. Yeah. Here's Erica Jane. Survival isn't my story. It's my superpower.

57:04 Like, okay. Well, be sure to add you on to the Avengers. I wish he was just like flying through the air riding on the back of some old wrinkly man while she said that. D. I'm unfiltered, unbothered, and finally unbburdened.

57:28 Not by that, you're not. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So, those are the lines. They're fine.

57:34 Basic. You're basic. You're basic lines. Basic. Okay. So, we're still meeting Amanda. So, um, Amanda is getting married. She's going to be getting married in October. And Sutton's like, "Oh, you've got a lot of time." She goes, "Yeah, I found the venue, but that's all I've done so far." Well, how'd you find the man? That's what's important to know. She goes, "Oh, yeah. He chased me down the street in West Hollywood." And she's like, "In West Hollywood? What am I doing wrong? Why? Even in the gay place, this woman found a man in 5 seconds. What the hell?"

58:07 Uh, they chase you down, too. It's just for selfies, you know? It's just it's not the kind of guy you're looking for. It's a bunch of gays like, "Oh my god, what happened to Avi? I won't tell anybody." Sudden sudden,

58:20 I think I think what sudden you might be doing wrong is that you have a perpetual look of fear on your face when you see other people. What? Get them a bike for me. They're going to attack. So Amanda says, "The night I met Eddie, I'm walking towards Santa Monica Boulevard with my girlfriend and I walk by this really cute tall guy and then next thing I know I'm stepping into the street and he's like right behind me making witty banter and asking to buy me a drink." I'm like, "You're in West Hollywood. It was a gay, just so you know."

58:48 Like she's like, "There was someone behind me talking about Beyonce and how like he's in the beehive." And you know, I turned around and I was like, "What is this? A manifestation of my dream man? Um, yeah. And then he found out she was rich and was like, "Okay, I'm in. I mean, can we live by West Hollywood?" Because if this really is a straight guy that she's marrying, [ __ ] off West H. Like, this is what happened to West Hollywood. You know, every like Lisa Vanderpump is like, "What happened to West Hollywood? This this happened."

59:20 Okay. Straight people finding love in 5 seconds. Okay. Gay people are the people supposed to find love in West Hollywood in 5 seconds. And guess how long it's supposed to last? 5 seconds. was West Hollywood.

59:32 Even straight people are having love scandals. I mean, Sandival and Raquel making out at the abbey. Like, that's not fair.

59:38 Yeah, but they stole the years ago. Yeah. Yeah, that's really true. So, she So, this guy comes out and starts like like I guess left like ran out of a bar to go chase her down and she was like, "I remember thinking why do I feel compelled to like put my face on yours? I just met you." I mean, from not like a slightly horny place. It's just from like a why do I feel like I love you with my face on your face, you know?

1:00:00 Yeah. I just had to put my face on his face. I mean, it wasn't sluttiness. He was just so well moisturized.

1:00:07 He's gay, Amanda. You found a gay. Okay. But I really wanted to marry him because after I mean, I know he respects his mother because he came out of a place called Mother Load, which was just so sweet.

1:00:20 He was so tall. Admittedly, once he took off his heels, he he did lose about six inches, but still very tall.

1:00:26 [gasps] Yeah. And um he says he manifested me and he's a better manifesttor than me when I'm kind of known for manifesting, you know. I mean, I don't know if you know that about me, about I'm I'm known for manifesting. This was a Michael Kors purse before I walked into the store. Okay. And um when I'm kind of like known for that cuz he decided that night he was ready to meet one meet the one and then I like walked by him within an hour. Maybe he has like some deadly disease or I don't know. I don't know that I'd want to be with someone if they were like, I told myself today was the day I was going to find the one no matter what and then you walked by, so you're it.

1:01:03 You know, that's all convenient, but you know, it's like when someone's looking for something and then they find they finally find it and they say it's always in the last place you look. I'm like, yeah, because you don't keep on looking after you find it. So, it's like by by nature, it always has to be in the last place you look.

1:01:19 I just found my keys. They were in the last place I looked. Like, think of how stupid that sounds.

1:01:25 You're so stupid. [gasps] Like, congratulations. But, um, uh, so I kind of feel like when people make these announcements of like, I knew tonight was going to be the night. I mean, I I appreciate the manifestation journey and it's very fun, but like the truth is this person probably said that like every night and then finally his number hit. And it's just, you know, it's cool that it hit, but like let's not overthink this. I don't trust anybody who makes millions of dollars off other people through manifesting. I mean, you manifested it for yourself, which is great, but you also manifested somebody else spending 10 grand on your workshop, you know? So, I don't I don't know that there I'd like to check all the people that spent all this money on your workshops because let's see how much they are. I think they're like a lot of money these workshops. Okay. What's her name?

1:02:10 Oh, well, uh, Amanda Seafruit. No, Amanda Francis, right? Amanda Francis workshop. She's got a firsty firsty. Um,

1:02:20 okay. Go ahead. Oh, digital courses. Here we go. I found it. Our most popular digital courses from Amanda Francis Money Queen app. And you can tell she's like really rich and fancy because she wears her sports coats over her shoulders but not with her arms in them, which is like

1:02:36 Oh, I love that. I love that flex. You know what I want to do? I want to wear I want to wear a blazer like that and just walk right by Giries and be like, "Big mistake. Huge." even though they didn't do it.

1:02:47 You click on the first one that's called Money Mentality and it's her wearing diamond boots. It's all in pink, of course, getting out of a G Wagon

1:02:55 with her uh shoulders covered but not her legs. And she's on the ground are, you know, thousands of hundred dollar bills that she's stepping all over.

1:03:04 And um here's the course. Do you feel like there's never enough money for you? Are you paralyzed with fear at the thought of money running out? Do you feel anxiety when thinking about your bills? Okay, this goes on for a whole page. Or do you simply feel there is room for improvement in your relationship with money? I like that she just gets down to like not granular at all. It's like, do you feel like you you could be making money out of your elbows? Okay, would you just maybe like more money? Okay, this course is for you. At least I used to. Well, at one point in time, many of these feelings, beliefs, and realities were very very true for me. I've been there. And then a big cursive. It's like, that sucked.

1:03:40 So then we see a bunch. Where are the prices, Amanda? This is a lot of talking. This is literally like seven pages of text.

1:03:48 Um, this is so scam. This is so blatantly a scam. I'm actually It I I actually love it. I love how it's just unabashedly clearly a scam. This is the biggest scam since Drop It With Drew. I'm just going to tell say that right now. This is so obviously a like I'm you're going to come to a hotel ballroom and sit here for three hours. I'm going to take your money and you will not be changed whatsoever. Okay. The core system to heal your relationship with money is 15 grand. The money mental, which is higher than I even thought. So, good for her. The money mentality makeover course um modules and there is nine modules $2,000. So, I guess that would be 18 grand if I'm doing this right.

1:04:33 The MM peer support community is 564. The MMM workbook and transcripts 500 bucks. $4.97. Bonus drop the struggle video series value $3,300. I mean, good lord, girl. And it just keep it just goes on and on. So, yeah. I mean, she's manifested money. All right.

1:04:54 She has manifested for sure. And I I'm on the uh uh on the tab that says vibe membership. It looks like there's like a community. And what's really cool is that like um if you scroll pretty far down, you can get the quote I'm in the vibe affirmation cup. I mean, I thought this was a scam, but then when I saw you can get a cup that says I'm in the vibe, I'm like, wait a second. And the cup is one of those cups that's like shaped like an aluminum can. Those glasses that have that, they're like they use the can as a mold. So it's just like guess what?

1:05:25 that I'm in the vibe of a can, but I'm a glass. Yeah, it's a vibe. And so on one side it says I'm in the vibe. And on the back side, this is what it says on the back side of this glass. I'm reading it directly off the glass. Say it with me. My vibe is pure. My vibe is potent. My vibe does the work for me. I align. I receive. I expand. Life loves me. Money flows to me. Opportunities chase me down. People love to pay me. Everything I desire is already mine. Everything works out for my good and in my favor always. I move with intention. I trust my power and I create my reality with ease. My success is inevitable. My abundance is limited. My essence is magnetic. I get in the vibe. I live from the vibe. My vibe creates my life. All the love. Amanda Francis.

1:06:08 She got on a glass. This lady is absolutely full of [ __ ] I love it. And it's all on one glass. And the picture says um

1:06:18 I'm on the glass. It's all That's one glass you guys. We just gave you a whole course for free.

1:06:25 So, I'm looking at this tab just cuz I thought it looked funny cuz all of these pictures are her like, "Look how rich I am." Like this one, she's wearing a real shiny blazer and an expensive purse and leather pants and she's wearing pink high heels on a tennis court because that's what rich people do. They play tennis. And it says, "Turning [ __ ] into gold and big cursive, pain into power, deep doubt into discernment, longing into love. I'm not gonna lie. Alchemist. I'm an alchemist.

1:06:55 He says I can't. I'm taking this. Should we see if we can just get this course for free? I want Is it only for women?

1:07:01 I'm woman for us. Amanda, listen. Someone who's friends with Amanda, tell her to listen. And then I honestly I just want the glass at this point. I'm not even lying. It's a glass. Here's the thing. She's very smart. It's not just a glass that's on the website. It's a glass that's filled with cold brew and a metal straw. I mean, see, this is like if Giri said this. Hello. I I would register for something. I'm like, I don't know. Register for Sunday. Like, it's my like it'll be a Sunday.

1:07:28 Coffee cup that's always full. Give me some cold brew in a glass that looks like a can that says I'm the vibe and has a 30,000 dissert word dissertation on the back of it.

1:07:40 It's only It's only 15 grand, but you get a coffee that never ever empties. My vibe is pure. My vibe is potent. My vibe does the work for me. I align, receive, I expand. Yes, life loves me. Money flows to me. I'm going to do this. I took a screenshot. I'm going to memorize it and say it every day and see if I get rich.

1:07:59 Let's do it. I um I also love that like at the top there at top of the page when she's like addressing you to try to like get you to join this membership, it starts with her saying, "Hello, my love." I'm like, "I know you're not a hello my love person. We've seen you on TV asses."

1:08:14 Yeah. I love I love this for her. I love this obvious grift. It's It's like really exciting to me.

1:08:22 Yeah. You go to the one that says meditations and it says hello there wealthy woman. I like the cursive like it'll say like hello and then a big giant girly cursive. It's like wealthy woman.

1:08:33 Period. She's into grammar. I actually I noticed her grammar is very good. She has her commas in the right places. She's like when she says hello there wealthy woman, she doesn't have to include a period there because it's already so stylized. But she's like no, there will be a period. and uh that attention to to detail that is a manifestation.

1:08:52 Yeah. So, she's full of [ __ ] I've read so many of these self-help books uh especially when I was younger. I used to read them all the time and this is just exactly what it is, you know, just exactly that vibe. So, as someone who's given those people tons of money, part of me is resentful, but the other part's like, well, I mean, it's going great, right?

1:09:12 Okay, let's go back to the scene. So, she's like, "I'm best known for my neverending coffee cup, rich as fuck." Which helps women redefine their relationship with money and manifest stuff, which inadvertently has given me the nickname the money queen. You call yourself the money queen.

1:09:30 Your boyfriend gave you that. Your boyfriend gave you that on Santa Monica Boulevard.

1:09:34 He's like, "Hey, money queen." Oh my god, he's the one. So, she's like, "What are you guys doing this weekend?" And son's like, "Well, we're going to a party. It's a small party. It's at my friend my friend's house, Jennifer Tilly. Okay. It's the boho cheek sit in a chair party. She just sits in chairs. That's what she does. So, look, it's sip and draw. Okay. You ever heard of that? Manifesty fest. I This is the first time we've actually just seen sit and draw. Normally, we see the painting, but this time they're like, "Uh-uh, we are not going to paint on our clothing. It'll be a draw colored pencils. That's it." So, Amanda's like, "So, where are you from?" She's like, "Augusta, Georgia." You know? Oh my god, I'm from Sand Springs, Oklahoma.

1:10:16 She says it like, "Oh my god, so close." And you see some be like, "Those places are not close to each other whatsoever."

1:10:23 You are not going to compare Georgia to Oklahoma. Okay. Different part. Well, that's one thing we're not going to do today. Missy Missy Manifest. Yeah. Okay.

1:10:34 Yeah. And um she's like, "Well, yeah. Um yeah, Sound Springs though, you've heard of it, right?" She's like, "Oh, stop it. I only know Oklahoma when you stop to get gas there. And Amanda's like, "What?" Oh, right. Because it's in the middle. Like you stop in the plane between Oklahoma and Tech. Okay, I get it.

1:10:52 Mhm. Son's like, "Yeah, I'm Cuz she's clearly Amanda's trying to do a we're both from the South or we're we're like we're in the South or red state or trying to do some sort of like alliance."

1:11:03 Southern. Yeah. And son's like, "Yeah, but I'm in the posh south and you're in the fly over uh Exxon for Airplane South.

1:11:13 Maybe you can find someone who's having a painting party that's from Missouri or something." Okay,

1:11:20 hold on. Um, I'm going to go talk to Kyle and then I'm going to come and talk to you for one second and then go back to talking to Kyle. We call that stopover. That's That's what your state is.

1:11:31 But no one's really nice to Amanda at first, which cracks me up. I think Kyle's like, "Uh, this [ __ ] who tore out my floors is coming on the show, you guys. What are we going to do?"

1:11:39 Well, we'll shame her for only getting gas where she comes from. I got your back, [ __ ] I got your back.

1:11:45 Well, remember when Vicky Gumblesson got into so much trouble for calling Oklahoma a flyover state? She's like, "Why would I go there? Like, why would I why does Brianna go to Oklahoma? You just fly over it. I just looked down on it. Like, you just fly over. Why would you ever stop there?" And everyone got so mad at her.

1:11:59 [snorts] Uh, so now we go to Boza's house and um it's a sweet scene with her daughter L. She's like, "Where's my brush?" And Leil has it. Okay, let's have a hairdoing scene. So they talk about um how

1:12:13 Bose wants to be proposed to or whatever. And they talk about boys and stuff. La wants Key to uh ask her first before he proposes to Bose. Um so that's that's what she wants. And Bose is saying um how the three of them have developed a really sweet little relationship together and um you know and she's and she's like I love that you want him to ask me your permission like oh you're my dad that's great and she's really proud of Leel for being like I want I'm proud of her for taking this stance but I really hope the answer is yes because if she says no mama's not going to be happy.

1:12:53 Yeah. Could you imagine? I want him to ask my permission so I can say no. Um, and she's like, "Well, just make sure before he proposes that I've gotten my nails done. They need to be fresh within the the past couple of days." Um, so it's pretty cute.

1:13:10 And then we go over to Erica's and uh she's getting glam. And I just it cracks me up how Erica's energy is just so different when she's around the gays. When she's around the other women, she's like, "Hello, I'm doing fine. Thank you very much." is going through a traumatic time and when she's with the gay it's like oh yeah like everything about her is just so different like we're going to telly's house and we're going to paint or draw you know I can't do that [ __ ] come on games what do we do he's like oh my god are you going to have to like abstract have like an abstract approach to it and they all crack up like it's the funniest thing like oh yeah abstract drawing that's hilarious so now at Rachel's house she's in her glam and the guy is like or whoever the makeup artist is is like, "Will there be like a naked man that you're drawing?" She's like, "Oh my god, I hope not." Like I die cuz like if

1:14:00 it's Raj, oh my god, if it's Raj naked, I'll literally die. I'll be like paralyzed. I I I I can't. I definitely can't. I'm like not going to draw that. Like what is this? Like the Titanic?

1:14:09 Yeah. Like what is this? The Titanic? I'm literally frozen to death underwater. Like I can't.

1:14:14 Yeah. Like I can't. Um so Dar's house. Um, she's like, "I'm wearing vintage McQueen." And her stylist is like, "Please don't wear that, Lubu. Please." Like, "Who? Why don't you like me, Le Boooo?" It's like, "That's the only way to keep PK close to you, Dar. Just let it go." We see a shot of it and it does look like PK.

1:14:35 Yeah. Um, I am so excited for a few years from now when people look back at the Laboo craze and just like laugh at all the wealthy people who put these stupid things on our air on their Hermes bags. I hope that whoever invented those comes on Real Housewives at Beverly Hills. Like, I'm the queen of money. I got a bunch of idiots to buy ugly stuffed animals for like $1,000. Now I'm rich as hell. Like it's one thing like I get like toy fads. Like that's like I get it. But it's just so funny that that these people are so status driven that they are like I am going to attach this stuffed goblin onto my Hermes bag. It's like this little little pointy teeth and like a like a face like it's like a where's the wild where the wild things are. It's like a Maurice Sat like stuffed plushy and people just attaching it to their Hermes bags. It's like the funniest concept. And you know when everyone looks back at their pictures of like

1:15:34 this was me in my peak and look at the glamorous life I live like why do you have that strange thing attached to your bag? It's like uh you're not talking about that anymore.

1:15:43 Yeah. Oh boo. So, now we go over to Jennifer's and she's like, "Well, I really wanted to have a party like to kick off the summer, you know, because I did miss Kyle's summer whatever party outside doing crafts or I don't know what it was, but I know my last party at Caviar Caspia did not turn out so well. So, I'm going to have a drawing party because everybody loves art." So, I have a little surprise for the girls. Actually, it's a big surprise.

1:16:24 It's nice to have her back. What a welcome. God, well, thank God. What a breath of fresh air.

1:16:30 So, um uh her assistant is like, "Oh, well, there's some caviar." What? Oh, God. Am I made out of money? Apparently. So Erica arrives and Rachel and Jennifer is like, "I've met I've met Rachel socially and I've gone to some events that she's at and I've I'm a little bit in awe of her because she's one of the most famous stylists in Hollywood. So I'm a little bit intimidated by how super cool she is." Um I just would love to have see Rachel have like a face to face with a Chucky doll because I feel like Rachel would like not know what to do. She's like literally the that doll is like it's like I die. Is that going to kill me? Like is that Raj? Is that Kais? Kaas, are you there? Speak to Mias.

1:17:09 I think you could do with like pleated pants. It's like trying to give advice to Chucky.

1:17:17 I'm not against plugs for men, but maybe like a middle a little more subtlety would work. Um, so she comes in and then Bose and Sutton come and Kyle and then Amanda comes. Oh, a stranger is going to come into our midst. Satin invited her friend Amanda.

1:17:40 So then Rachel's looking around and she's like, "Wow, I think everyone did boho chic like really differently." Which is her way of being like, "You guys all did it wrong."

1:17:48 Yeah, you guys all look like [ __ ] I'm the expert. Everyone else is wearing a potato sack. And she comes in like this gold flowy dress.

1:17:55 She's like, "Oh, so I guess we took this directive a little bit differently." So Jennifer is like, "Oh, Amanda, um, you know what? You look like 1985 Chanel where you had all the Chanel models and motorcycle jackets and the sort of ball gowns. It's a fabulous look." She's like, "Oh my god, 1985. That was the year that I was born in pretty much the same state as sudden. That's crazy." Oh, 1985. Really? And she's like, "Yeah, 85." 1985, I was in Hollywood selling sandwiches out of a hamper. 10 cents a sandwich, 25 cents a salad. So, I would push the salads because I would make more money while she was struggling to get out of the womb. I was just struggling.

1:18:48 So, so then reach shows up. I like that they make 1985 sound like the 1910s. 10 cents a sandwich. What? Sandwiches were not 10 cents in 1985. What is this? Dar shows up and Kyle's like, "Hi, Dar. This is Amanda. She bought my house in Bair for me." Yeah. You may have seen her destroying the iconic floors, you know, checkerboard floors. Remember her? Yeah. She's in my house. Yeah. She basically works for me at this point. Yeah. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. This is her. Yeah. Go meet her. Oh, well, how many kids do you have, Amunda?

1:19:23 And she's like, "I have four." And Rachel's like, "You have four kids. You were like just born." And she's like, "Yeah, well, I mean, the older two are my stepkids and they're nine and seven." And Bo goes, "Oh, so they're his kids." And she goes, "Um, well, I'm raising them. They're my stepchildren." She goes, "Oh, well, I don't know if I like that. I don't know if I like another woman calling my daughter her daughter. There's only one mama, and that's me." Damn. Coming for the stepmom.

1:19:50 I know. I know. Wow. I don't think that was cool. I mean, what what do stepparents say? Don't they say they're my kids?

1:19:59 Yeah. Well, I I don't know. I I I don't know. I think some say they're my stepkids, and then some will say it's a blended family. I think it depends on how how long or how intimate the relationship is, right? Because there are definitely steps who just refer to their stepchildren as their kids. So, I don't know. But, um

1:20:17 I just wouldn't it be [ __ ] if you were like, "How many kids do you have?" And then she was like, "Well, I mean, I have two kids." But then, you know, I also have two other kids at my house. Like, I have step kids.

1:20:26 Yeah, I agree. I think it's like like it's like you want to treat all the kids as like they're there's no difference. And so, Bose is, you know, Bose being like, "Oh, you mean they're not yours?" I was like, "Oh,

1:20:40 I feel like this will be a this will be an issue going forward." It's going to be an issue. Amanda, you see it in Amanda's face. It's like, okay, the first time I'm on camera with them, they diss Oklahoma and call it a place to get gas. And the second time I'm with them, they diss me for saying I'm a mother of stepchildren. So you see you see the point start tallying in that brain.

1:21:00 So Jennifer's [snorts] like, "Okay, well the invitation said sip and draw, and we've already been sipping. So now it's time for the drawing portion, everybody. So let's go outside and look at some penises." And then they go outside and guys drop their robes and there's a lot of wieners hanging out. And let me just say, I'm glad we're not painting teeth

1:21:25 or cheekbones because these men were all about the wieners. Otherwise, it would have looked like a a Laboo painting party.

1:21:33 Yeah. Yeah, it was it was a lot. So, um it was a naked laboo painting party. Yeah. So, Erica's like, "Well, I'll take a bag of dicks over a bowl of fruit any day." H, who cares about still life? I was married to that for long enough. So then um

1:21:49 I'm still trying to get a divorce from still life. They're drawing and Erica's like, "Oh, that one over there is not circumcised." And Kyle's like, "I mean, I've never had a mushroom, but like now might be the time to try one." So, um, now there's drinks and stuff, and they're all cracking up and be like, "Oh my god, penises. We are scandalized." So, um, Amanda's like, "So, do you guys have a mocktail of some kind I can have?" And like, "Oh, boo, you've got to drink alcohol. I mean, unless you call." She's like, "Um, it's not exactly that I don't drink ever. It's just that I prefer not to drink, but I don't know who Erica is to think she could comment on my not drinking." Or, "Am I going to be shamed for good life choices? Is that her mo?" I was like, "Oh, I love that [ __ ] response.

1:22:39 That was so perfect. I'm going to be shamed for good life choices. I'm going to start making I'm going to start making a list of [ __ ] that Amanda is going to consider extremely rude. So, living in Oklahoma, I'm going to put Okay. What was the second thing?

1:22:59 Stepchildren. Stepchildren. And then mocktail shaming. Mocktail shaming. I think we should start keeping a tally cuz you know this is going to come up in a fight

1:23:11 and I want to see how many we get like our bingo card of like what is the thing that she's is going to finally burst her and then she's going to list all of these other things.

1:23:20 So one of the models is has taken this pose where he has put like his hand on the lower part of his back and is arching his back and you know and Jennifer goes

1:23:30 can we just talk about this pose? He sits on the chair backwards and then sticks his ass all the way out. It's like, is this is this a cherry boy? What are we painting here, sir? Get put your cornhole away.

1:23:44 So, Jennifer's like, I really like your pose. Can you can you hold that for a long period of time? And he's like, no, it hurts. It hurts.

1:23:57 Amanda was really funny with them. She's like, um, okay, so wait, I just Sorry, I just accidentally scrolled. What did she say? Okay. She's like, "So, um, what about She's like, "Has anyone ever ogled you in a way that made you feel uncomfortable?" No. Have you ever gotten a boner?

1:24:13 No. Have you ever considered your life choices? No. Have you heard of Oklahoma? Yes. Okay, I will draw your penis.

1:24:22 Are you a stepchild? So, they they, you know, pencils down, hands up. So, everyone's showing each other their drawings. They're just laughing. And Erica's like, "You can tell who's not having sex based on these pictures." And

1:24:36 Erica like balls dragging like a mile behind the guy. Jennifer's like, "Um, I definitely do not think that we have unearthed any artistic geniuses. None of these girls are particularly going to be the next Monae." So they pick Rachel as the winner and uh she's like, "Wow, literally just flatlined." So then, uh they go inside to get dessert and um catch up. So Jennifer asked Bose how his man is, "Oh, such a cutie." And Kyle, "Are you dating now?" And she's like, "Um, what? What am I

1:25:18 dating? That's crazy." No, I'm not. No. What? Dates? I love dates. the fruit. That is I'm not a fruit. Wait, that's like No, wait. What? Huh?

1:25:26 So B's like, why does she have to be such a freak every time they ask her? Just say no. Not right. Like I'm I'm lightly dating but nobody important right now. Like why does she have She's like, "Oh my god, dating." Gets this head deer in the headlights look and then it's like, "Oh my god, why is everybody asking about me? Cuz you look like you're about to have a heart attack every time they ask you."

1:25:45 Yeah. She is so unprepared for the nosiest questions that she, by the way, always asks everyone else all the time. So, Bose's like, "Here we go again. Why can't we just get to the heart of the matter? Everybody's seen the pictures. We've heard the rumors. Like, you know, either kill it all together or admit to it." So, Kyle's like, "Dar, have you gone on on any dates?" And she's like, "No, cuz my husband is too busy torturing me just this morning. An entire package of chicken salad around at the doorstep. Why does he keep buying it and sending me the bill and then sending me the chicken salad, too? It's crazy the demented games he plays."

1:26:20 Oh, is he back in LA right now? because um I haven't checked my location today. Oh yes, he's back in love. He came back after being gone two weeks in Europe. Me kids are supposed to go to Florida with the rent prince and they're so excited to go to Florida. But now PK, I got a letter today from the lawyer saying PK is going to bloke it. What? From going from going. Yes. Yes, this is true. Just to be mean. God, I love that, man. I love that. And Dar's like, "Yes, just to be mean." And Jack has been walking around like he's got the weight of the world. Have I mentioned the weight of the world yet today? Weight of the world. I don't see my son anymore. I just see a world and two little feet under it cuz the world is on top of him. Do you know how heartbreaking that is for a mother? And he's been asking for my for dad. And he's asking for my dad and not his own father, for my father. Sabah, just like

1:27:16 the hummus. And you know what? Five minutes after him arriving, Jagger came into that into like the same boy that I've been familiar with. Do you know what that's like for me? And going to sleep every night thinking, "My god, how are they going to be affected? Gee, I don't [clears throat] even RECOGNIZE MY SON ANYMORE." He went from being little sweet [ __ ] to the Monopoly man and the go to jail card. It was so sad. BUT THEN HE heard Sabah and he's back to normal. Like, okay. And Kyle, so Kyle hugs her and Sutton's like, "Well, I am just breathless watching Dar crumble in front of everybody. This is good." She's like, "This is the emotions are taking me back. It's like a time machine. I want to cry with her. It's just It's just heartbreaking, but also really fun. It's like beaches, basically. Breaks your heart by the end, but you want to watch it over and over again."

1:28:08 Guys, my kids, they need love and support and just to be around family. And this is the first time I'm seeing the impact of mine and BK's divorce. and it's ripping my heart out of my chest. It just feels like whatever I'm doing is not enough. Some would say he has the weight of the world on him.

1:28:24 Um, so he just wants to be around family, but I mean PK's his dad. Like isn't the like isn't part of the argument that she doesn't see that he doesn't see the kids? So I guess he's wanting to see the kids.

1:28:39 But like BK, you're gone all the time and you were just in Europe for two weeks. They can go to [ __ ] Florida.

1:28:44 Okay. Exactly. I think the point is like, yeah, he's the dad, but like sudden suddenly he wants to step up to the plate right when she's planned something nice for the kid and the kids like begging to go to Florida with grandpa

1:28:55 and then suddenly PK is going to swoop in. No, like we all know it's a game. It's manipulative. By the way,

1:29:00 I may make fun of Dar, but like and I think speak for both of us probably that we're like 100% team Dar on this.

1:29:06 Oh, we've said get rid of that man for years. Yeah, 110,000%. I still can't wait for PK to go to jail someday. I know it's gonna happen. I know it's gonna happen. Although Dar's pretty po full of [ __ ] herself, but

1:29:20 still team Darita over PK. Well, it's too overwhelming to think about everything. So, if the most immediate thing right now is getting your kids to Florida so they can have a good time, let's solve it. Get those children to Florida.

1:29:34 Um, the Florida mandate. I like the only show where people are trying to flee to Florida right now.

1:29:41 I know, right? in today's climate like, "Oh, let's get to Florida." So, um yeah. Um uh Dar's like, "Yeah, he called up. He spoke to Phoenix and he said, "Okay, well, if they're going, then daddy's going to come to Florida, too, and we'll we'll all stay in a hotel and you'll be with me." And Kyle says, "Well, maybe by him going, I mean, if you have to meet in the middle, like if he wants to go to Florida and stay in a hotel, then I mean, why can't he do that?"

1:30:06 Dude's like, "I don't think you understand, Coyle. I'm not dealing with someone who's like, "Oh, let's meet in the middle."

1:30:13 Yeah, but he's saying if he's going to go to Florida and like get a hotel, I mean, let him do that. I mean, that's kind of a win. Like, they can go see there and see the grandparents and see him. K's such a great friend. Sometimes I forget how good of a friend Kyle is until she steps up in moments like these. Gosh, what I would do to have a Kyle in my life. Yeah. It's like, but they don't want you, Kyle. It's like I'm just trying to find a way like to be in the middle like meet in the middle. She like he's doing it to hurt me. Kyle like okay like look we're not saying I mean look maybe he is maybe he's not. I don't know like Kyle I mean even if you think that look I think any reasonable advice would be like okay well the complaint is okay. I'm not going to call it reasonable. I would say I was thinking okay you're you you say the dad doesn't want to see the kids. So he does want to see the kids. If he's offering to go to

1:31:03 Florida, that doesn't have to be. So, I don't think the actual advice of it is that terrible. But I do think

1:31:09 that's her tone, right? It's I don't think the advice is that terrible. But you're clearly in a position. You're in a bad position with Darede already

1:31:17 because you were cozing up to her husband and kind of taking his side, which appeared to be taking his side over her. And now she's freaking out over this last thing after he hasn't seen the kids for God knows how long. You don't even talk to her anymore. And you're going to try and be friends with her, and this is the way you're going to do it. I mean, whether you're right or you're wrong with your advice, sometimes it's best to just say, "How can I support you?" You know what I mean? Because this is crazy.

1:31:39 And the thing is, what Kyle needs to do, which is what the rest of them do, is you can you can kind of give the same advice, but you do it in a way that's like, "Fuck him." You say, "Well, then you know what? You know what, Dar, then you send those kids to Florida, and if he wants to show up in a hotel, he can do it, and that's his choice, but you send your kids to Florida." Which is essentially the same thing. But Kyle, her tone is more like, "Well, Dar, let's not be unreasonable here. Let's not be crazy. You don't know if he's trying to hurt you." Like, you're take you're taking this out of like out of context, which is so dismissive. And like, you want your girlfriend to be like, "Fuck him. And if he wants to do this, then [ __ ] him and it'll be on him, but you keep doing what you do because this is your life and you're an independent lady now." Like, that's the vibe that that like Dar wants from her friends and what

1:32:25 she deserves. But Kyle's just like treating her like an imbecile, which I mean, Darita is an imbecile, but you don't want to hear that from your friend.

1:32:34 Yeah. I mean, wow. And especially when you see it going bad and that she's getting upset to be like, "Oh, well, is he doing it to hurt you?" Maybe, maybe not, you know? No. No. Like, there's a time you just back down and say, "She's really upset. How do I support you?" That's it. That's all you need to do here. It's not that hard. Especially in front of a group of people. You know what I mean? Like if you're having a conversation, if you're with a friend who's going through a divorce. My sister went through a divorce last year and so there's a lot of discussion about divorce and like what's the right way to deal with this and what's what's the right way to deal with this, you know, without villainizing the guy to the kids and like how do we go about this in the best way? And there's advice maybe she didn't want to hear, but there would never be a time where I would be in front of anybody doing that to to her.

1:33:21 You know what I mean? It's almost like you support your partner in this situation, my sister. You support your friend always publicly and if you have anything where maybe you're going a little wrong or maybe you're overreacting, you do it in private. I mean, what the hell? And I shouldn't have to teach a girl this. This is like girl code.

1:33:39 Yeah. Well, don't forget Kyle's kind of having the best divorce in history. So, like like she leads by example. So you

1:33:48 and also when you haven't even spoken to her, Kyle, like that's the other thing. Like you're coming to this after not even speaking to her since the last season after you took his side then and you're coming back and you're immediately taking his side again. Like oh just

1:34:01 Well, I think in Kyle's mind, she's she's saying what you really need now is like a cool head and don't leave the worst in your ex because like the be the way to get to healthy co-parenting is to actually have give people the benefit of the doubt. Don't villainize them. Blah blah blah blah blah. But that's not what that's not what Dar wants or needs right now. And K's just being a shitty friend to Dar once again as she has been for the past three seasons. So Dar like

1:34:22 agreed. Yeah. D's like really? You could actually have my the audacity to say well maybe and maybe not. You know how to to show ever show up 100% ever. I'm broken. What more proof do you need? Little jabs. Little jabs. That's all I get. You have known me almost 10 years. And how many times have you seen me this way? Well, to be fair, like literally like every episode, Dar's like, "And then I went to get a yogurt and they were sold out. Could you believe it? They went they were sold out at Farms."

1:34:52 I said to the TV like, "For four years. What are you talking about?" And D's like, "Sume, if you're going to help me out, put yourself in me shoes. You have a 9-year-old and a something year old, that girl, I'm not sure, around there, and they're leaving in 48 hours. And you're telling them they're leaving. And you're telling them to stay with your daddy, see your daddy, AND THEY'RE CRYING AS BEGGING AND SAYING, "NO, not PK." He tried to call me a funion and eat me whole. Please not, Diddy. That's what you think I should do, Coyle. And Boo's like, "Well, you need to let him be the bearer of the bad news." And Amanda's like, "Yeah, let him either show up or not manifest that, bitch." I'm putting that on a glass. and Jennifer and like you said, yeah, this was the best advice.

1:35:39 If he wants to be the bad guy in this situation and change everything up, then that's great. Let him do it. It's not your responsibility to do it. You're the primary caregiver because he's never there. So, you do what you're going to do as the primary caregiver. And then his ask can go ruin their dreams. Absolutely. And uh Jennifer's like, "Oh, a there's crying and now there's yelling and this party has really taken a turn for the worse.

1:36:06 [snorts] Um, and Amanda says, "Well, just prep them that they're going with the grandparents and they're staying with them and then dad might stop by." And Erica's like, "Yeah, let him bear the responsibility of those children. He's not going to do it. He won't do it. Come on."

1:36:19 Yeah. I'd like to pile on, please call his bluff. Like, send them to Florida and be like, "When you get there, you're going to love Florida so much." You'll be like paralyzed. You'll be like dead. Like, look at that flamingo. That flamingo is dead and you're dead and we're all dead in Florida together cuz it's so amazing. and he's not going to show up and if he does it's like one night on the way to like Sanrope which by the way Sanrope I die I love it so much. So everybody dares furious. She's just yelled at Kyle. And everybody's like, "Okay." And Kyle just gets up and she's like, "Yeah, um I don't want to talk about this. I don't think I can talk about that situation anymore." And walks away. And uh Jennifer is just like, "Okay, well, I guess another party's over. Another successful party.

1:37:03 I would like to thank all the penises for coming." Whatever. And then you just see that one of the guys still out in the back swimming in the pool naked like it's like doing butterflies angels. So Kyle of course makes herself the victim in this. She's like Dar responds differently to me whenever I make a suggestion versus the other ladies. But like the other women have never met PK and whatever Dar says they just say yes. Like what an [ __ ] What a narcissist. I can't help that I've like met this person. I've had experiences with this person and see him in a different light. Uh that has nothing to do with you being a a good girlfriend. Like we've all met people who we've liked and then our primary friend breaks up with him and you take your friend's side. Sorry, that's just what you do.

1:37:43 Yeah, stupid Kyle. So, now we go to Kyle and Erica over at Kyle's house for the Kyle sat the the Kyle pity scene. So, uh Erica comes over, who really is who you want when you want to talk about something emotional. You know what? Get Erica. Get Erica over here immediately. So they sit outside in rocking chairs and Kyle's wearing like pilot glasses but clear. And she's like so you know

1:38:08 go ahead, Ben. What? Oh, I just said I liked them. That's it. I just added an editorial comment.

1:38:14 Yeah. So like I was telling her like you know about guys taking off their robes and she was like um so you had to draw a wiener and I was like it's been a long time since I've seen any. So

1:38:26 well you're right. It has been. Well, that could all change now that you're single. So, there you go. Am I setting you up to discuss anything now, Cal? I'm just so sick of people asking about my dating life, you know, like Erica, like if you were seeing someone that you cared about very much that specifically says, you know, like please, like, you know, I'm not part of this group and you know, like be respectful. Like, would you betray that person just because people are curious?

1:38:54 She was literally married to that person. Did you not watch your own show, Kyle? Erica's like, I will protect that person for sure. She's like, well, I mean, like, I've always told everybody just to be honest, and I'm always an honest person, you know, and I'm not a liar, but you know,

1:39:10 I don't know what people want from me. I'm single now, okay? Like, you know, I was just I was seeing someone who I cared about very much, but dot dot dot dot dot.

1:39:20 So, this is the other thing. And she's like, "Well, um, you know, you know, I'm not a part this if you were seeing somebody that you cared very much about. That says to me that she's still with this person and she can't talk about it." But then she's like, "Well, but then we broke up, I guess." So, from this we're taking that she was seeing Morgan. Morgan didn't want to be out of the closet. So, Kyle had to keep it in the closet and then Morgan date Morgan dumped her anyway because she's on a show.

1:39:44 I think Well, Morgan was out of the closet. I think it was that Morgan was uncomfortable with being thrust into the spotlight or maybe didn't anticipate it and much closet

1:39:57 really. No. Yeah, she's not she's not gay or by she's just she doesn't she refuses to talk about it in her own interviews and stuff. I think the last time she ever talked about a relationship was a boyfriend who's in her band. He's like one of the guys in her band and they used to be in a relationship and that ended and that was when she was younger. So, she hasn't talked about it. Yeah, she doesn't talk about it.

1:40:18 So, yeah, she's closeted. That's what Kyle's saying. She's like, I'm dating a I'm dating a closeted person and they don't want to be out of the closet and so shouldn't I respect that? I mean, that does in my mind that does add like a wrench into all my previous pontificating because you don't want to out someone. Um, yeah, that's a that's a that's a real hum.

1:40:42 It doesn't change what I was saying because I mean, I already knew that. So, to me, it's still the same thing. It's like, okay, but you're you're the one who doesn't want to talk about it, but you still brought it on TV and then did that video where you were like in a bathtub and making out with Kyle and then doing all that. So, like I get it, but it's like you're having fun with the hinting about it, but you don't want to talk about it. But this is like a reality show where you talk about things. So,

1:41:07 yeah. I mean, well, it affects what I said before when I was like, "Wow, she can't Kyle can't even say that she's like in a relationship with a woman." Okay, I understand that. I understand not wanting to out someone and I think that's that's that's fine. Um, but I I'm I'm surprised. I was I thought I I always thought Morgan Wade was an out and proud lesbian and did not realize that she is actually like we don't know what her sexuality is.

1:41:33 Oh yeah. Yeah. She's still closeted. So, she says that um when she was married, when she was separating from Mo,

1:41:42 you just said she's still closeted. She is. No, it's funny because it's like, we're not going to out anyone. We're not going to out. She's still closeted cuz that's

1:41:49 Well, I mean, that's who Kyle's talking about. That's That's what's so ridiculous about this whole thing. It's like, oh my god, you guys, we can't talk about Morgan's being gay, but we all know that she is at least by, but we can't say that. Like, it has to be. It's it's like this um it's like being in the being out in the clo it's like being out of the closet but not having to suffer the repercussions of it in some way. It's like okay I don't know how to explain it but obviously she's talking about Morgan. So she still is talking about this relationship like everyone's not stupid. They know we all know what she's talking about. But by not saying Morgan she technically didn't out her.

1:42:26 So it's okay. It's like what is this? You're already talking about it. No, I'm just laughing at the idea of like being, you know, like respectful being like, hey, it's it's not up to us to out someone and everyone's on their own journey, so we are not going to speculate on someone's sexuality cuz she's still closeted. She's still closeted. Basically saying like we know what you are, you know.

1:42:47 Well, because she's saying cuz it's on the show. It's just how they're presenting it. And that's what I was saying at the beginning. Um, normally my stance is like we shouldn't out people, you know, like I go with that stance. That's like a pretty

1:43:00 normal stance in our community. But this case is different because they themselves have presented it differently and now it's this big word salad that we're all supposed to say so that you don't actually have to suffer the repercussions even though you guys are the ones who did it. And you guys are also making it sound like being gay is this huge villainous. It's becoming worse. In other words, like you not talking about it is making it worse for everybody involved. Like at this point, just for [ __ ] sake, just say we dated, but we don't want to talk about it because like at this point, you're just making us all do somersaults over your stupid decisions.

1:43:35 I know. I will also say like if you if you happen to be someone who is in the closet and you decide to um date a reality star, uh maybe don't do that. If you're still

1:43:47 you're not going to be in the closet anymore. Don't just I respect someone like coming out on their own terms or even never coming out at all. But like also like you know consider these things if you want to stay in the closet.

1:44:01 Just don't maybe don't make like videos with you where it's about you know just just just consider consider these options.

1:44:11 Don't do scenes where you're like feeding each other on camera and giggling with your arms around each other. you know, stuff like that, like if you're if you're that worried about it. But yeah,

1:44:21 uh so she says since separating from Mo, she was in a relationship and she was and by the way, it was before separating from Mo, just to correct the record. And she's like, and I was at a very vulnerable place in her she was at a very vulnerable place and she fell really hard and you know, if she's in love with somebody, she wants to share that because she's an open person, but it doesn't mean the person she's with feels the same way. So, I'm guessing what happens. All my judgment aside, I'm guessing what happens. She starts, she starts DMing this chick on Instagram.

1:44:50 They start hanging out. They start flirting. They start maybe hooking up now and then. And it was a fun flirty thing like, "Oh, there's all these rumors about us now. Let's make this music video just making fun of the rumors because that would be fun." And then it backfires to where everyone's like, "Oh my god, Morgan's a lesbian." And then it has to become this big PR thing because she's in country music. And then it becomes this nightmare for her. And then it's like, okay, well, let's just not talk about it anymore, which didn't work because that was a whole year of people questioning it. And so, I mean, I get how it would be a conundrum um for Kyle.

1:45:23 Yeah, 100%. And that's why it like throws a wrench into everything that I was thinking and saying earlier because before I was thinking that Kyle was in a relationship with an out person and so her being like KG like did not really make sense. But if her coming out then makes forces someone else out, that is a much more delicate situation. So I'd have to like I have to like go back into into my Fortress of Solitude and consider my stance on this because I I think it's actually it's more it's more complex than like a sort of like a flippant off-the cuff hot take, you know, deserves or or I should say not deserves, but like then it deserves more than like an off the take off-the cuff take. But um uh I'm like I'm clearly like so surprised about this. Like I really cannot believe it. Anyway, so Kyle is going and she's saying she's like, "Oh, the speculation, all the talking is what ultimately ended it and

1:46:19 I could have weathered the storm, but this is not for everyone." I'm like, "Well, yeah, the speculation." Yeah. I guess what bothers me is I hate how she turns it on us. Like we destroyed this thing that she had.

1:46:31 That's what's making me crazy. Like stop making me feel bad that you did this. You did it. I don't care if you're gay. I literally don't care. I mean, if Kyle came out and Morgan came out, I would be rooting for both of them, even though Kyle makes me crazy. Like, I would I think that that that would be ballsy, but the way you're doing it is not ballsy. And it's not like you have a responsibility to come out and all that stuff, but you're the one who set this up and now you're making us feel bad about it. And that's I just don't like that. Like, stop criminalizing everybody else. You guys did this to yourself.

1:47:00 Now, just be proud already and stop. And if country music is going to be that way, it's too late. You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. Okay? So, tell country music to [ __ ] the [ __ ] off and get on with your life. This is to don't live in fear like this. It's crazy.

1:47:14 And stop trying to appease a community that you are think will not accept you because you know like that's no way to live either.

1:47:22 So Kyle is like she's like well I don't understand. It's like people think they're ow they're owed an answer and if it was only me I would give all the answers that they want but it's just like not only about me. Well, there are two people here, not just one person. Thank you, Erica, for half listening to whatever Kyle's saying and giving that very prefuncter amount of advice.

1:47:41 Yeah. But also to what Kyle's saying, you you've got a choice to make. You're either going to go for the love or you're going to go for the for the And I'm not saying like you should do it over someone you're just dating. Like I'm not saying she should have done this years ago, but if it's to the point now where you can't be a reality star because you can't talk about your life or you can't be with like the love of your life, like choose choose one, you know, like just choose. Or maybe she did and that's why she's sad.

1:48:07 Yeah. But Kyle is the one who's often pressed people for answers for years and years and years, and now she's like, "People want answers, and sometimes there just aren't answers." I'm like, "Well, that's what's also frustrating because you're being inconsistent with us." So Erica is saying, "Imagine getting out of close to a 30-year marriage, unexpectedly fall in love with someone, but you can't talk about that love because you decided to put it out in front of everyone, but you can't talk about it. That's a really hard place to be." Even though this relationship is over, the women are still going to question Kyle till she addresses it once and for all and clears everything up.

1:48:39 So Kyle's like, "I mean, if this person weren't so afraid of public scrutiny and life under a microscope." And Erica's like, "Well, when you love someone and you're protecting someone, it sucks because you can't be free." And uh she says that until she says Kyle is the most honest with herself she's ever been. And she's open and understanding and finally willing to be vulnerable.

1:49:03 You're in a rock in a hot place, Kyle. I don't really know what to say these things. I'm just going to kind of just say some That's the way the cookie crumbles.

1:49:12 Can I [clears throat] do cake and eat it too? No soliciting. I read that one on a door. I really like that.

1:49:18 Miso mado, which means wet floor. Yeah. So, I don't know. So, this was the coming out of coming out as being in the closet episode, I guess, is what we can call it. Like, I'm out of the closet about being in the closet. Where's my float?

1:49:36 So, I guess we'll see what happens on that end. All right, everyone. Um, thank you so much for being here. Please don't forget to join us on Monday for both Amazon Live and Crappy Hour, our last crappy hour of the year. Um, we can't wait. Check our social media for the times, etc. Uh, watch what crapins and we will catch you on Monday. Bye

1:49:58 bye.

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