RHOP S10E16: Rocky Roads

What this episode is about

In "Rocky Roads," hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Carum celebrate a belated birthday episode filled with humor and nostalgia, reflecting on their podcast's journey as it reaches its 14th year. The lighthearted discussion includes personal anecdotes, such as Ben's miscalculation of his age and Ronnie's realization about his dog's age, showcasing their camaraderie and the joy of sharing their experiences with listeners.

Key takeaways

• Turning 14 means this podcast can legally experience high school drama, minus the actual adolescence.
• Buler, the 15-year-old dog, proves age is just a number, but swivel chairs are existential threats.
• The Crappies promise to be the Oscars of Bravo, so practice your acceptance speeches and sequined gowns.
• Their blog revival shows that even podcasters can outgrow lockers and embrace their throwback roots.
• Who knew voting for reality TV could be as intense as a presidential election? Prepare for campaign drama!

Who speaks in this episode?

• Ben Mandelker (Host) · 1 h 2 min speaking
• Ronnie Carum (Host) · 41 min speaking
• Angel (Guest) · 10 min speaking
• Jazelle (Guest) · 10 min speaking
• Wendy (Guest) · 10 min speaking
• Stacy (Guest) · 10 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 10:00: Ronnie Carum, Patreon, Ben Mandelker, Kim Richards
2. 10:00 – 20:00: Four Seasons, Jazelle Bryant, Kimosabi, Colorado
3. 20:00 – 30:00: Four Seasons, Ronnie Carum, Colorado
4. 30:00 – 40:00: Four Seasons, Colorado, Jazelle Bryant
5. 40:00 – 50:00: Four Seasons, Denver
6. 1:10:00 – 1:20:00: Colorado
7. 1:20:00 – 1:30:00: Colorado, Four Seasons
8. 1:30:00 – 1:40:00: Colorado
9. 1:40:00 – 1:42:42: Karen Huger, Amazon Live, Amazon

Notable quotes from "RHOP S10E16: Rocky Roads"

• Our videos as soon as they're released instead of waiting for a week, head over to our Patreon. That's also where you'll find our bonus episodes and our Discord community. We love you guys.

  about Patreon · at 0:09

• What people don't realize is that this podcast totally has a crush on a podcast that's three years older than it and is the quarterback. So, you know,.

  about Bravo · at 1:03

• Since it is Monday, that means later today at 400 p.m. on the West Coast, we'll be going on over to Amazon Live to tell you about some of our favorite things that we've…

  about Amazon Live · at 3:52

• Yes, we did a trader bonus on Friday and had I was fired up as usual. Okay, but today we're talking about PTOIC season finale. Although I guess it's a season finale part one…

  about Ben Mandelker · at 4:57

• I feel like they moved all their flights up. But yeah, the logistics of this all were crazy. [clears throat] I was stressed out from the beginning when they said they're going…

  about Ronnie Carum · at 7:35

• I know Angel's trying to be Oh, how boring. How pedestrian. this is the Four Seasons. This is not the high house serving their powdery eggs that are made from like a mix. Okay, this is it's going to be like quite good food.

  about Four Seasons · at 14:39

• Like someone asked what they're going to do about their belongings and she goes, Oh yeah, so we're going to have to go back and get them. So that'll be like two hours up and…

  about Colorado · at 27:14

• And Jazelle's I hate not being able to trust somebody as it relates to a girl's trip. we were put through the trenches unnecessarily.

  about Jazelle Bryant · at 34:22

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Ronnie Carum — Person · Co-host · 4 mentions · first at 0:37
  Co-host of Watch What Crappens; provides reactions, jokes, and logistical critiques of the trip and cast behavior.
• Ben Mandelker — Person · Host · 2 mentions · first at 0:29
  Co-host of Watch What Crappens; drives the episode structure, commentary, and comedic analysis of the RHOP finale.
• Jazelle Bryant — Person · Referenced cast member / antagonist in recap (in-show) · 6 mentions · first at 8:37
  Key foil to Angel in the recap: takes over trip decisions, criticizes Angel’s hosting, and is central to multiple conflicts discussed.
• Karen Huger — Person · Referenced cast member / upcoming interview subject (in-show) · 2 mentions · first at 5:22
  Mentioned as the focus of the next episode’s Andy Cohen sit-down and as a punchline about jail/prison; positioned as a major upcoming storyline beat.
  Seasoned finale because next week is the Karen Huger episode. the interview with Andy Cohen the very deep sitdown with Karen Huga. I think every sitdown should require Kim…
• Kim Richards — Person · Referenced Bravo figure (comparative example) · 2 mentions · first at 5:34
  Mentioned as an example of an earlier Andy Cohen sit-down interview style; used to frame the upcoming Karen Huger interview.
  The interview with Andy Cohen the very deep sitdown with Karen Huga. I think every sitdown should require Kim Richards to be there because Kim Richards was the first Andy…

Companies & orgs

• Bravo — Company · Business focus · 1 mention · first at 0:16
  Network that produces the show discussed in the podcast, central to the podcast's theme.
• Four Seasons — Company · Setting · 18 mentions · first at 11:36
  Luxury hotel where part of the episode's events take place, contrasting with the less glamorous locations.

Places & events

• PTOIC — Event · Core topic · 1 mention · first at 5:04
  Main subject of the episode's discussion, particularly its season finale.
  Yes, we did a trader bonus on Friday and had I was fired up as usual. Okay, but today we're talking about PTOIC season finale. Although I guess it's a season finale part one…
• Colorado — Place · Setting · 9 mentions · first at 17:09
  Primary location for the episode's events, including the failed fly fishing trip and the rest stop scene.
• Kimosabi — Place · Setting · 3 mentions · first at 11:01
  Location visited during the episode, part of the trip's itinerary.
  Are still at Kimosabi, which also is another ridiculous thing. you're going to you're bringing all these people to see your business, see your house. You barely go to your…
• Denver — Place · Setting · 2 mentions · first at 19:28
  Part of the trip's itinerary, mentioned in the context of travel.
  Love yourself? And Kieran is Well, I don't know anyone I love more than myself. So, then they get to Denver and, they're they're arriving. They get off the plane and everything and Angel they're in the car heading to the Four Seasons and.
• Fonda — Place · Setting · 1 mention · first at 3:35
  Venue mentioned in the context of an upcoming event.
  Have almost all of our guests booked and it's going to be a really good show. So, it's going to be at the Fonda watch what happens.com for tickets or Instagram. Give us a…

Media & podcasts

• Watch What Happens Live — Media · Referenced work · 2 mentions · first at 0:05
  Show referenced in the discussion, providing context for the podcast's content.
  That may have been a Watch What Happens Live exclusive as opposed to a Kim Richards like in soft filter lighting, which is what Karen's getting, but.

Sponsors

• Patreon — Company · Sponsor · 3 mentions · first at 0:12
  Platform where the podcast offers bonus content, mentioned as a call to action.
• Amazon Live — Product · Sponsor · 2 mentions · first at 3:57
  Platform where the hosts will be promoting products, mentioned as a future event.
• Amazon — Company · Sponsor · 2 mentions · first at 3:57
  Parent company of Amazon Live, mentioned in the context of product promotion.
  Additionally, it is we have adree on Patreon now. So, that's fun. And since it is Monday, that means later today at 400 p.m. on the West Coast, we'll be going on over to Amazon…

Full transcript with timestamps

0:05 Welcome to Watch What Crappins. To get our videos as soon as they're released instead of waiting for a week, head over to our Patreon. That's also where you'll find our bonus episodes and our Discord community. We love you guys. Hello and welcome to Watch What Crains, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo that we just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker and joining me today on our birthday, well actually a day late but still our birthday episode. It's Ronnie Carum. Hi Ronnie. How's it going?

0:42 Well hello. Happy birthday Ben. Thank you. Our podcast just got shoved into a locker because it's 14 years old and it's now a freshman in high school. So, it felt a little jostling. That was us trying to get out of the locker. We did it. Next year we can get our driver's license in New Mexico.

1:03 What people don't realize is that this podcast totally has a crush on a podcast that's three years older than it and is the quarterback. So, you know, we're just hoping that

1:14 if he does anything with us, he's a creep. We just hope he invites us to the prom and we can take off our glasses and walk down the staircase and be so hot. But

1:25 I don't know. Freshman year for crapins. We did it. I can't believe it. And you know, I'm such a dummy. I This is the only way. This is the only thing I keep track of. And it's because you tell me because I wouldn't know. I thought I was a year older for like three years. I thought I was older than I was. You remember? And then I figured out how old I was.

1:45 And I just realized my dog Buler is not 13. He is 14. He's turning 15 this year. And I only knew because I had to get pictures for our anniversary. So I had to scroll back on Facebook and saw that I had Buer in 2011, which is crazy. I got him in October of 2011, which means he's going to turn 15 this year. Is that old bastard. That old bastard. Wow. That's That is And that's like a That's a big difference. Wow. Wow. Buler, our geriatric senior citizen dog.

2:16 Oh, man. Ber on the floor. Is he back behind you? No, he's on the floor. He won't sit on these chairs cuz they're swivel chairs. So, when I'm in Los Angeles, there's no Ber on camera because he's not going to get on swivel chair. There's no way

2:31 cuz they swivel when he's trying to get up there. Yeah. And it freaks him out. He gets very scared. Of course, these are my feet.

2:39 But it's neither here nor there. It's neither here nor is it there. Um, by the way, you know what? Tomorrow is what? Tomorrow is one month until the crappies. Crappies are on February 27th. I know.

2:56 Guess what? The ballot's going to come out next week, everyone. Uh, general voting, can we just say it? It starts February 4th. The ballot's going to be up and ready for everyone on February 4th. So, keep an eye out for that. General voting round one. Uh you're just going to like just vote for the people that you want to make it onto the final ballot. And then the final ballot is like literally a final ballot and that will determine our winners. We are so excited. Go to watchins.com to get your tickets to see the show in Hollywood. We have almost all of our guests booked and it's going to be a really good show. So, uh, it's going to be at the Fonda watch what happens.com for tickets or Instagram. Give us a follow watch what happens at watch what happens on Instagram. There's links there as well.

3:44 Um, additionally, it is uh we have adree on Patreon now. So, that's fun. And since it is Monday, that means later today at 400 p.m. on the West Coast, we'll be going on over to Amazon Live to tell you about some of our favorite things that we've purchased recently. Or I don't know, Ronnie. Ronnie's on a chair quest now. Maybe we'll look for a chair for Ronnie. I don't know. We're just going to do

4:09 I got to look for chair. I'm going to talk about some books. Going to start a little book club over on Amazon Live. So you guys can tell me what you're reading. I can tell you what I'm reading. We can switch books. I just broke my I just broke my chair. It's kind of a Monday. I just broke it right now because I lean so much.

4:26 My leaning broke the chair. Oh, also on our Patreon, we started a newsletter. It's kind of like a little magazine on what happened this week on Bravo. It's like a little blog. It's a return to our blogging days. I did the first one and it's over on Patreon now. It's free. It's free for everybody. So, if you just want to subscribe to that, you can. You don't have to give in any money or nothing. Okay. Just go over there. Yeah. And uh it's also where you get videos, bonus episodes, and um videos, bonus episodes, and ad free. Uh bonus episodes are traders right now. Those come out at the end of the week.

4:57 Yes, we did a trader bonus on Friday and had I was fired up as usual. Okay, but today we're talking about PTOIC season finale. Although I guess it's a season finale part one because heading into the episode last week they were like next week on the season finale but then at the end of this episode it was like next week on the season finale because next week is like a season it's an even more seasoned finale because next week is the Karen Huger episode. Um

5:28 the interview with Andy Cohen the very deep sitdown with Karen Huga. I think every sitdown should require Kim Richards to be there because Kim Richards was the first Andy sitown that he ever had where he's like, "Well, suck about you being an alcoholic, Kim, so you got arrested at a Target." And she's like Andy. You know that whole thing. And I really think that Kim should always be there. Kind of like the Ed McMahon.

5:52 Was wait was the Kim sit down before the Joe Judice the Teresa and Joe sit down?

5:59 I think so. Cuz Kim Well, I don't know. You know, that may have been a Watch What Happens Live exclusive as opposed to a Kim Richards like in soft soft filter lighting, you know, which is what Karen's getting, you know, but

6:12 yeah, maybe. I don't remember which was first. Can I say I loved the season finale? Is that crazy? Did you like it? Like, what did you think about it? I thought it was

6:23 amazing. I thought it was very funny. It was definitely really fun to watch, but God, what a sad season finale. What a pathetic ending to the season. I mean, Angel, geez, what did I feel bad for Angel? I wanted to, but I felt like I should feel bad for Angel, but I just I was like, "Oh, man. I've been, you know, I wouldn't say rooting for you. I haven't been rooting for you, but I've been feeling bad for you." And I feel like when I give my pity to somebody, that's a form of rooting. And I've given you my pity and you just failed miserably. I mean, fly fishing. Fly fishing. You're We knew that she was going to try fly fishing, but why would you do that? And what kind of fly fishing afficionado is going to take your ass fly fishing 2 hours before you have to be at an airport?

7:07 That's not going to work. I don't know what was happening here. Now, I have to imagine that the women moved their flights up after Jazelle took over the the the uh the trip. I can't imagine that that this was the original timing for the flights, especially because if you think about it, the the trip was like two and a half days long. That's really short. I feel like normally when they go on their big trip, it's like four or five days. So, um I feel like they moved all their flights up. But yeah, the logistics of this all were crazy. [clears throat] I was stressed out from the beginning when they said they're going to have brunch at the hotel, go fly fishing, and then have an open fire lunch, and then go to the airport.

7:53 and the the fishing and the fire and all pit and all that stuff is like an hour and a half away. I was like, how is this going to happen all before 2:00 p.m. or 2:30? And of course, it didn't because it's literally impossible to do all those things before going to the airport. But

8:07 so they're trying to have a season finale. They're trying to have some fights. They have no fights really to last the season. The fights are sad. And then they have to do it in the cars. So they have and it's not even like sprinter vans where they get to like,

8:20 you know, see each other. It's like some are in the front seat, some are in the back seat. They're trying to have these fights. The fights are stupid. It was just it was just a mess. They had to eat at the rest stop. I mean, it was all terrible. And you know, even though I wasn't rooting for uh Angel in general, I was rooting for her against Jiselle because even though Jazelle's not completely wrong, Jazelle's just such a jerk. And I was really hoping that Angel could pull off something nice for the ending. And she just she got lost. I mean, she got lost. She dropped she went to a pin that someone dropped. I mean, it was not good, Angel. It was not good.

8:58 Now, I don't know if you've seen online, but Angel is saying somewhere, of course, I read it in comments,

9:04 but um that production was the one who picked out Airbnb in the first place and it wasn't even her fault. And then I don't even want to hear it at this point, Angel. I don't want to hear it.

9:15 Yeah. I don't know. It's just it's just faster. But also like a pin gets dropped and you don't look at the map beforehand and say, "Okay, well that route looks doesn't look quite right or like also why do you not have an address?" I mean, Google Maps, it's pretty comprehensive. Like you're you're really not having to drop pins these days. Usually there's you can you can look it up. I almost want to know where that watering hole was. I mean, look, the chef got there. Her head of staff got there. How come Angel couldn't get there? What directions did they have that Angel didn't get? That's what doesn't make sense to me. There was clearly some way to get there and why wasn't her head of staff saying, "This is where we are." I don't know what went went ary, but I thought this episode was so hilarious and stressful and crazy and existential.

10:08 It was like [snorts] they were wandering. They were just but in cars. They were just driving around and they had [clears throat] this ticking clock and you see this map and they're just sort of like going in nowhere in circles. They're not they're like isolated. They're fighting and it was to me it was like I was enthralled by this. I was like what are they going to get to the campsite? Are they not going to get there? Are they going to meet their get their flights? In fact, I was rather disappointed that we didn't see if any of them made their flights or not. I guess they all made their flights because if they didn't, it would probably be something else that would be added on to it. But, you know, I don't know if we've ever seen a finale like this. Normally, they end with a party or some sort of set piece or glamorous who knows what, but this was just a season farting out into the wind. It really

10:56 was. It really was. All right, let's get going with this. So, we start where we're on day two of the trip and they are still at Kimosabi, which also is another ridiculous thing. I mean, you're going to you're bringing all these people to see your business, see your house. You barely go to your house, everyone's rude to them at the house, and then you make them go on a plane to go to a store because you saw it on Beverly Hills. Like,

11:19 come on. Not because you saw it. I mean, I know that Kimosabi is like a a lot of people love to go there, but it's like you don't need to go you don't need to take a whole day trip to go to a Kimosabi. That's just sad. That's sad. It's like a tourist destination.

11:34 Yeah. So, uh, Jazelle has just said that they're going to the Four Seasons and Angel's like, "But we're going to go fly fishing tomorrow." And Jazelle's like, "We're going to go home tomorrow." She's like, "No, we're going to go fly fishing." And so, there's this music that's playing like it's a standoff like Billy the Kid. And he's like, "Is this a standoff? I hear the music that they're playing in post-production already." And now she's like, "Are we are we going to take a vote? Like, what's going to happen?" And Angel's like, "Let me be clear. this is not her trip. She can't do this. So, they're like, "Oh, okay.

12:01 Like, what are we voting? Like, what what's happening here?" Yeah. So, Tia's like, "Bring your what?" And Angel says, "Now, listen. I've set up a beautiful day with some beautiful guides on a beautiful body of water and beautiful Google Maps is going to make sure that beautiful people show up at the beautiful place with the beautiful just stop. Just you're not selling it. You need to learn other words than beautiful." And she's like, "We're going to go fly fishing and then we're going to have an open fire lunch." Both of those things sound disgusting. Fly fishing is disgusting and so is an open fire lunch. Get a microwave. Get a get a get a pan. I don't want to eat off some open fire. And then the guy drops the meat into the fire. So you guys would have had a wood chippy lunch cuz his ass dropped your food into the fire too.

12:44 I thought the steak looked really good to be honest. Um I and crusted and dirt. Look, I uh I'm I'm down for the I'm down for the open fire lunch. I'm not a fisherman. I think if I were on a show, though, I would do the fly fishing. But here's what I don't want to do. One, if not two of those activities before I get on a plane. I don't want to get on a plane smelling like a campfire. I am not Tom Schwarz, okay? I do not go bathing in rivers before events where I'm around other people, okay? So, like, do the fly fishing, do the open pit fire, let me go back to the hotel, let me shower, and like I'm getting on the plane the next day, but like what you're going to have to like I have to be in the middle of a smoky campsite before I get onto a flight and fly across the country?

13:35 Absolutely. And I'm a real housewife who's supposed to be glamorous. Absolutely not. My headphones off. I'm so mad right now. I can't even hear you. My headphones are off my ears. This is a daytime event. It's a dayong event. It's an event you go to and then you go relax for a while and take a shower and like have a nice light dinner or whatever,

13:53 which is what it probably was originally before. That's why I suspect the flights were moved up.

13:58 But even if they were, this is like a day. This is like your Kimosabi day. This should have been the Kimosabi day.

14:04 This should have been day one. Yeah. If anything, they should have gone to Kimosabi and then gone to an airport there. You know, if there even is one there. I'm not rich enough to know. So, uh, Jazelle's like, "Well, I'm not outdoorsy, but we will be brunching in the morning, and then we'll be pack packing our things and packing at the hotel and then getting on the flight ding home." And Kieran is like, "Oh, please, Jazelle, sit down. We're not doing that." And Angel says, "Okay, well, so you're going to have hotel food. Okay, well, you can go with the itinerary if you want hotel food instead of somebody cooking out over a campfire."

14:39 I know Angel's trying to be like, "Oh, how boring. How pedestrian." Um, this is the Four Seasons. This is not the high house serving their powdery eggs that are made from like a mix. Okay, this is it's going to be like quite good food.

14:55 And I know that the health department has been there and they have put an a letter grade for me to know how clean that place is. You know what's not clean? Campfires. At least I won't smell like smoke after I have my eggs benedict at the Four Seasons. Okay. Um, so but Angel's trying to do this thing because Angel, it's so funny too because Angel has she th she peppers in this language all the time and especially on this trip to sort of make it seem like what she's doing is very luxe. Like um one of those guys that she introduced him to she's like this he's a very high netw worth guy.

15:31 And later on she says, "Well, this watering hole is a very exclusive watering hole." I mean, she's always throwing in these words. So then when it comes actual something from the Four Seasons, suddenly she's like, "Oh, hotel food. Enjoy enjoy your box of honeymacks." Um, so Wendy's like, "Well, is there a world where we can brunch like in community with each other and then we could fly fish in community?" I I love community. I'm glad you do cuz you're about to get a lot of it.

16:03 Yeah. And Jazelle's like, "Well, the question is, are you spending the night?" Dah. And Angel's like, "Yeah, sure. Um, can I can I sleep in your bed?" She's like, "No, to bring up and not to bring up anything bad, but like, do you want to call Bobby and check to make sure that's okay?" And then Angel out of nowhere goes, "Girl, don't don't worry about that. That's my man. Don't worry." And everyone's like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa." Suddenly Angel's like casual like, "Don't worry about Bobby." when all season long she's been checking in on Bobby. And of course, we then basically

16:31 Oh, no. I thought it was her saying like, "Oh, well, maybe because that's my man, so maybe I will check in with him." Like, what's wrong with that? Yeah. She's like, "What's wrong with checking in with him? He's my man." And Jazelle's like, "I am so sick of hearing Bobby, Bobby Bobby Bobby Bobby Bobby Bobby, Bobby, Bobby. Too much, too much, too much. So Stacy's like, "I'm just wondering if we did the fly fishing, will we have enough time to change to make our flight and be comfortable?" The only one with some sense in this group. And Angel's like, "Yeah, I mean, there's a nice cabin. It has nice bathrooms, good accommodations.

17:06 Does not exist on Google Maps, so if you want to go there, you just have to drop a pin in the middle of Colorado and I hope you got to the right place."

17:12 And Jazelle's not going to make it easy. She's like, "How many bathrooms are?" It's a good question because like it could be the nicest cabin in the world, but if there's one bathroom and you've got like seven ladies who have to shower and then make themselves presentable in case their picture gets taken at the airport, you know, they're going to take some time in that bathroom. And will there be running water? Because that has been an issue. Will the toilets work and the sinks? Will there be doors and walls and a roof? Ah, at this point their standards, they're like, we just have to double check everything. This [snorts] is the role that I was actually born for. Making sure that all the ladies are happy. Yes, that's what when I think of Jazelle Bryant, I think happy maker. Someone who just makes everyone around her happy at all times.

17:57 Joy spreader. Watch out. A sunflower has entered the villa. So, Angel is Angel is like, "Okay, it's fine. Everything's going to be good. It's going to be good." And so she goes uh she's like, "Ladies, let's just gather our things and make our way back to the PJ." So they are going to head back to the airplane and start what they think is going to be the luxurious part of their vacation.

18:24 Yeah. So now they have to go travel back to This is a lot of traveling. It's a lot of traveling. It's like travel there yesterday, today you travel to a different place, and then you have to go back on a plane to get ready to travel tomorrow. So now the ladies are chit cchatting uh in the air and um Jazzy's trying to make small talk. She's like, "Oh my god, your kids are gorgeous. You have two, right? How do you feel with two kids?" And Angel's like, "When you have children and then you see you and them." [sighs and gasps] Wow. I just love seeing It's amazing because they look one way when I look at them, but then their school pictures come back and they look completely different. They've got my morphin face.

19:08 The funny things with the kids is also that whenever we call them down for dinner, they seem to get lost upstairs for 2 hours. We don't know why they can't just figure out their way to the table. Um, so T's like, "Well, can you imagine loving somebody more than you love yourself?" And Kieran is like, "Well, I don't know anyone I love more than myself." So, um, uh, then they get to Denver and, um, they're they're arriving. They get off the plane and everything and Angel uh they're in the car heading to the Four Seasons and Angel has an announcement.

19:40 Here's something you guys don't know about me. I don't like fish. We'll pull the car over. I mean, this is deep. We need to talk about this. What are you talking? Who cares? And they just they all kind of look out the window like, "Why the [ __ ] am I stuck in the car with Angel?" And Angel's like, "Angel, we're at the end of the world here. Why am I just learning now that you don't like fish? How could you how could you keep this from us?

20:06 This is something we're supposed to learn about in the first conversation. Dietary preferences. But also, it's also like don't say that right before you're taking the women fly fishing. Don't give them Don't give Jazelle something to you know Jazelle would be like we're going fishing. She doesn't even like fish. Why are we doing this? But it's just like us to do something you don't even like to do. It's also just like not a fascinating piece of information for this day. Like this is not and it comes out of nowhere.

20:35 Like if you're going to say here's something you don't know about me, you it should you're now you have a preamble. It's coming out of nowhere. So it has to be really good to get everyone's attention. But something as generic as you don't really like fish, it's just not going to work. It's not coming at Angel. We don't care. I'm focused on getting to the four seasons. I'm thinking of bubbles and body gel and luxury. Talk about toilets. Talk about running water. Talk about luxury. Oh yeah. So, uh, in the other car, Jazelle, Mon'nique, Jazzy, and Ashley, and Jazz is like, "I'm not going to lie. I love my girl Stacy, but her coming in at the crack of dawn and knocking on the door, she's like, "It's me. It's me. There's no running water. There's no running water."

21:20 And they just start laughing cuz Stacy is like so extra about everything. And then at 8:19 p.m., not 8:20, 8:19 p.m., they arrive at the Four Seasons, and they are so happy to finally be back in the lap of luxury. Yes. So, they get there, it's a nice room, and of course, Jazelle's get got the presidential suite. And they look around, there's a shower in the middle of the room, uh, like a glass shower in the middle of the room, which is, you know, I guess rich people like to look at each other naked,

21:52 which is weird. I don't know. I mean, if I was rich, I would be like, I want a cave where no one can possibly see me, including myself. I want no mirrors. I just want it to be dark and steamy.

22:04 Choice. Is it Is this the actual presidential suite or is it just Maybe it's a honeymoon suite.

22:10 I don't know. Because the honeymoon suites are sexier. I know this because one time I went to Vegas. It's like it was like a bro trip and I was with my friend Saji and uh we arrived and they gave us an upgrade. We're like, "Sweet." each and like we put you in the honeymoon suite, which is funny. And I was in the closet still, by the way.

22:27 So, it was like two quote unquote straight guys. I mean, he's straight. I'm definitely obviously not. And um the honeymoon suite, it was like from all angles, you could see that shower. It was like it's like we want you to have sex and like enjoy it. So, like like anytime either of us were like taking a shower, we had to like actively look in a different direction. Otherwise, like [clears throat] any mirror or thing you could just see because God forbid you see someone's penis.

22:51 Yeah. I don't know that this would work for a presidential suite. I can't imagine Nancy Reagan being like, "Oh, Ronnie showering, you know."

23:00 Well, it did also have it did have a lot of autons. It had like some oldfashioned exercise equipment in there and um there's a lot of stuff. So, maybe it was presidential, but you would also think that if you're doing if uh the president is going to take a shower, like why are you going to have the president in like a super exposed glass box in front of a window? just doesn't seem like a security a safe thing, you know.

23:24 Yeah. I mean, Melania, I'm sure, has put up with a lot in her years, but this would send her over the edge. She'd be out of there.

23:30 Yeah. I don't think we need finally get rid of her ass, too. I don't think we need to see a three-dimensional naked Trump showering in the middle of the bathroom.

23:37 I think Yeah, I think presidents uh probably none of them, well, maybe a couple uh but most of them probably don't need to be seen naked in the middle of the middle of the room. The Secret Service is like, "Oh my god, can we please put the Secret back in Secret Service? This is disturbing."

23:54 Yeah, let's let's keep it. We don't need to see any of that. We also probably don't need to see any more ice in the streets. I just want to say can't help myself. Sorry. Moving back to the show. So, um, now we they're all walking around the suite and they're looking at everything. They're like, "Oh, this is wonderful. Oh, great." Angel, by the way, has passed out in the back of her car and she they're like waking her up. Well, to be fair, the fish the fish revelation was a lot.

24:18 That's a lot of energy. She's emotionally tuckered. [gasps] Took a lot out of her. She like lost her life force when she said that.

24:28 Yeah. Um, so yeah, she they and she was sleeping deep, too. Like she really sleeps like a log. They had to they had to wake her ass up.

24:36 They really had to. Um, so Ashley tells us that she's done some of her best work in the tub. Please, no one wants to think of you in the tub either because every time I think of you in the tub, Gollum is there. Please.

24:47 Yes. We don't we don't need to imagine who you're doing your best work with. It's either Gollum or Ralph. And I don't really want to imagine either of them.

24:56 Yeah. Um and she's like, then you get in the tub and then you get dirty and then you get out and then you get dirty again. And this is they I think they talked about this on Married to Medicine, too, right? It was very It was a very shower heavy Sunday episode where they're like, "Yeah, get dirty and then you get out again, then you get dirty again,

25:15 right?" Talking about that. It's so weird how Bravo does that. They have multiple, you know, things happening on different shows. Anyway, so Angel's like, "Um, so I'm very happy that you guys are in accommodations that are up to your standards. You're welcome." And Jazelle's like, "Yes, I did it. Not you. You terrible hostess."

25:34 Yeah. And I and she was like, "Well, I hope you had a great day on my trip." And just I was like, "Okay, so here's the B. So, we've also have the option tonight." And they're like battling to be the hostess of this moment. Also, the way that Angel says, "Um, I'm so glad um that you guys are like that you're like these accommodations are up to your standards." As if she booked them for booked these hotel rooms for the ladies. It's like, Angel, you had nothing to do with these hotel rooms. Yeah.

25:59 Um but uh Jazelle's announcing that there's food that's coming up here. And then Angel says, "Oh, and you know there's a honky tonk bar that's right around the corner, so we can all go there afterwards." Well, I'm the best mechanical bull rider that I know. I'm going to stay on that bowl all night. It's not a countertop, Ashley. And uh so now they're talking about getting sexy on the bull. And so Angel's like, "But guys, you are going home tomorrow. So here's the plan. We're going to have breakfast." and hira. Yes.

26:29 And then we're going to wheels up to the lake and we'll be fly fishing and then you'll be headed back to the airport by twoish. Even when she said this before we even knew what a disaster it turned into, I was like, "Uh, what time are you getting up? 5 in the morning. I don't think you're going to have time for this."

26:44 That means you have to wake up at like you have to wake up, get yourself camera ready, which I imagine takes what, like 90 minutes to two hours. I don't know how long it takes for the women, but it feels like it's probably a bit. And then you're going to eat. You're going to hit the road like around 11ish or so. Get there at 12. Fish fishing is going to take an hour at at, you know, at least eating is going to take another 45 minutes to an hour. Like I don't I just don't see the timeline here. So stay

27:12 and then it gets worse because she's like uh someone asked what they're going to do about their belongings and she goes, "Oh yeah, so we're going to have to go back and get them." So that'll be like two hours up and back. And I think by the time we come back, nobody wants to ride a bull, right? Okay. So it's 9:15 right now and you're telling them they have to get in the car for another 3 hours cuz we know it's an hour and a half. It's not an hour like she keeps saying. It's an hour and a half. So it's 3 hours that you they need to go in their car. How is this luxurious? And why is why is everybody acting like this is the better option to come stay at this hotel? This is crazy.

27:49 And why is there no one who can bring from their estate who can bring their [ __ ] to them? I mean, I guess maybe the women haven't packed up their stuff. So, it's not like, oh, just, you know, like Kier probably has her her unmentionables and various stuff and and Tia, too. So, it's like, no, we want

28:07 But didn't they know in the morning? But this is why this episode's pissing me off because we're having to sit here and talk about this. Like, but wait, why didn't they pack? Why didn't someone else pack? Couldn't they have packed in the morning? Because in the morning they knew they were going to be going to the four seasons. Why aren't they already packed? And why couldn't the husband do it? And if they have nannies, the nanny's going to have stayed with the kids. It's like I'm planning like I have a [ __ ] family. I don't need to be planning like this for somebody on a TV show. This [ __ ] should have been dead.

28:31 No, I literally love this. I literally love weighing in on other people's bad logistics. And I think what they were saying is that the women who were going to the Four Seasons, I think they packed. We actually saw them pack. It's that Kiana and Tia and Angel had no idea that this would be happening. So, they've got to go back to Angel's house.

28:50 Oh, I see. I see. And that's And the thing is that Yeah. I think if they had been packed, maybe they could have gotten someone to bring the stuff back. But also, when Angel says we'll have to go back and get them, and that will be two hours. Oh, two hours up and back. And I think that by the time we come back, nobody would want to ride the bull. So, why did you enter the honky tonk bar into evidence? Why were you like, "By the way, there's a honky tonk bar next door, but we're not going to be able to go because we have to go get our luggage." Like, just miserable. So miserable at this.

29:23 Honestly, if I were Angel, what I would do is I would go back alone or I would offer to go back alone to get everyone's stuff. Although, it's the same issue cuz everyone has to go back to pack up their stuff. Never mind. I was going to say she goes back, gets stuff, and brings it back. But Tia and Kier have to go. I know you're this is driving you nuts. I I can already sense in the face because this is just like discussing other people's lives nuts. I'm just like I'm just I'm just starting to because it's like okay and then they'll drive and then this will take that long and then they have to go up the stairs and what if the kids are asleep and then

29:57 I love it so much. I love discussing these logistics and how also like Angel has flopped on all of them. It's so

30:04 bad. Everything spread out in the wrong direction. Where do you remember what the what the town is that she that she lived in? Angel's house on the map.

30:13 Fka. I don't know. Faka. Okay. Fka, Colorado. Yeah. I don't know. Faka, Colorado.

30:18 Um, so they're going to have to go over there. And so Jazzy and Ashley are ready to party. And Jazz is like, "Yes, I love Ashley." Cuz she took shots off my boobs that time. Like we're friends now. We are real friends. As a wag, I can say that that's a girl who knows how to party.

30:33 Um, so then Mo'Nique starts playing the piano that's in the room. And um they start making up a song with the piano.

30:40 Yeah. About having no water and stuff. Mhm. Yeah. And uh they they they go around and I was actually so impressed so incredibly impressed by postp production and the show in general that they did not turn this into a five minute long silly moment where there were graphics on screen and introducing Kiana as so and so and playing the part of like they no silly names. They just let them sing their stupid song. I know you're still traumatized by the Real Housewives of PTOAC when they went to Austin and they did that. Yeah.

31:16 They were like wrote a country song, they put it to music and stuff. Yeah. All that stuff. And here they just sang this song and they they sang it very badly and they went around the piano and it just sort of like seemed like this this felt emblematic of the entire trip. This sad song out of tune. It didn't really go anywhere and just they were just trying. It was their the one moment of community, quote unquote community that they had the entire episode and perhaps the entire trip. They were just gathered around singing a sad song before they all dispersed again the next day and just wandered around that state.

31:54 Yeah. So, now um people are getting up to leave the room and we see Colorado last day, 10 hours later, 10:33 a.m. So, everybody's getting ready and, um, Ashley's on the phone with Sheila and she's talking about how it was really rough last night because she rode a bull. She really conquered that bull. And then it just cuts to her being flung off the bowl. Yes. Um, also the time stamp 10:33 a.m. I'm like, have you guys not even started your brunch yet?

32:26 I know it's I was stressed out. You know, this is brunch should be over by now. And you guys are all just waking up and getting ready. Some there something is not right here.

32:36 Yeah. So now, um, it's time to leave. And Stacy's like, "We were in the ghetto." And Jazzy says, "Baby, the top of the ghetto." Cuz it was very high. Um, so they're just glad to be in the Four Seasons. So now it's 11:23 a.m. and they're just starting to leave.

32:55 11:23. So now it's been almost an hour since Ashley called Sheila. And I'm like, uh, hello. You guys have flights. You got What is happening?

33:05 Their flights are at 2. You should be leaving right now to go to the airport. Well, I think that they have to be at the airport for their flights at I think.

33:13 Well, they they keep saying flight at two. Oh, I I got the impression that it was like they just have to be there by by that time to get to you know what I don't know. I don't know. I assumed there was like a 90-minute buffer like to get in, check your bags, and then go through security. But either way, I mean, you have to be there, too. So, um, so Mon'nique is saying um like Mon'nique is happy because she's cleansed. She looks, you know, refreshed and clean and they're all happy and they're this they're just like hugging each other, saying good morning. Um while the clock is ticking away and uh they all sit down, they all gather and basically um you know it's time to figure out where the hell are the other ladies cuz they're not there. And Wendy's talking about how she's a nature girl. And then we see, uh, Tchala attacking her and her screaming [clears throat] and she's like, "So, uh, fly fishing. I just

34:11 decided to take the fly pot, you know, so I just I just dressed fly. Get it? Chanel, I'm ready for these fish." And so they're all complimenting each other's clothes because it's housewives. And Jazelle's like, "I hate not being able to trust somebody as it relates to a girl's trip." Ah, we were put through the trenches unnecessarily. After she put us in the trenches and I made sure she had a room here, those hoes didn't even stay here last night, which we knew wasn't we knew that wasn't going to happen, especially if they're if they're going to drive home to or back up there to get their stuff. They're not coming. They're gonna drive up to uh Angel's home and then they're gonna have to pack which is gonna take another 45 minutes to an hour and then there's gonna be chatter and then they're gonna kiki and then Bobby will be there and his friends will be there and they'll be like you know talking and then Angel

35:01 will suddenly get tired and Angel won't want to drive and then Kieran will be tired too because that's Kieran's thing anyway and then Tia will say well I guess we'll just stay here but you know if there's anyone who wanted to go back to the Four Seasons it was Tia. Portia was basically kidnapped this entire this entire trip. She was stuck in the angel wing of of the gang and she just wants to hang out with the others. Oh, I felt so bad for her. Well, Angel, Tia, and Kay decided to stay at Angel's house. And I proceeded to text Angel, and she says to me, "They're not coming back to the hotel at all. Tell me what sense that makes. Tell me, tell me what sense it makes." Ah. And so we see we see the text exchange and um Jazelle is saying, "Angel, I'm confused. The hotel told me your rooms are empty."

35:51 Question mark. So they just paid for hotel rooms that they're not using. Which, you know, I get it. Angel paid for stuff or production paid for stuff that also did not get used. But I just think that this was uh I think it's weird that Angel did not text them to say, "Hey, we got back to the house and we're just so zonked. We were unfortunately going to have to miss you." The fact that like Angel doesn't communicate, I think is just really shitty. They have to be always be the ones to reach out to her to be like, "What's going on? Are you coming back?

36:21 Where were you?" She should have just said, "It's going to be 2 hours. We're not going to do that. We're just going to go home and just have the fight and just be be done with it, you know?" But I think Angel's just so sick of hearing it. She's like, "Bye. I'm just going to tell them what they want to hear and get the [ __ ] out of here."

36:36 So Jazelle's like, "Oh, and they wanted me to fly fetching situation to do an activity and call it a day. This is not a girl's trip. This is called I see you when I see you." So she's mad and Angel's like, "Well, at this point, Angel's going to Angel. I mean, Angel's a verb. Angel's a verb right now." So now, um, we see the flight countdown. 5 hours 34 minutes. Okay. Wait. So then it's not at 2. So, if it's 11:30, oh my god, whatever. Care, I'm not.

37:03 It's 11:30. 5 hours and wait, what was it? Five hours and how much long? 34 minutes and 8 seconds.

37:08 34 minutes. Yeah. So, that means it'll be the flights are at 5:00. They have to get to um have to get to the airport around 2:30. It's a little a little on the early side, but you know.

37:20 So, they're 30 minutes south of the hotel, and Angel, T, and K are in Angel's truck. So, T is like, "Oh my god, I should have used toilet when you did. I'm dying for the I'm dying, but I don't want to slow us down. But if you do see a house, just stop there and I'll knock and tell them that I used to live there. It works every time. Angel's like, "No, no, no. I don't want you to hold it. I don't want anyone to be any more uncomfortable than they are. My whole point in purpose of this was to be relaxing." It's like, so here we're now seeing the pinnacle of what the Wonderland experience is, which is um an open mind to pulling over at a Starbucks. That way someone can be like, "No, no, no. I want my trip to be known

38:03 as the trip where you pooped when you wanted to." Okay, we You're going to think back on this and you're going to say, "I had to poop and Angel found a way for me to poop." Thank you. Thank you, everybody. Tell your friends. Wonderland. Wonderland. So, here's another peek inside the the wizardry of Angel. She tells us, "Last night, my intention was to go p go back to the Four Seasons, but it was past 1:00 a.m. in the morning at that point."

38:31 What? Wait, did they go up to the house after the honky tonk bar? I don't know. It's confusing cuz her time her time, she doesn't have a good sense of time, I think we've learned. And so, she keeps saying everything's an hour, but nothing is an hour. And so I'm wondering if it really took them that long to get back home from the four seasons. Then it couldn't have taken that long. That's

38:54 I guess it depends on when they left. That was at 9:15 when they when we saw them talking about you. God just [ __ ]

39:01 You know what? I think they went to the honky tonk bar. I'm going to say that they went to the honky tonk bar. They went to the honky tonk bar and they went after honky tonk. Maybe that's why she said no one's going to want to do honky tonk after. They went to honky tonk. They left at 11:00. They got there probably 12:30, 12:45. Maybe it's 1:00. and they decided we're just gonna stay there, which honestly I get that. I get that. But that's

39:21 So Jazelle's annoyed because they're not showing up to breakfast. She's like they're not having their together time at the breakfast, I guess.

39:28 Which, by the way, by the way, by the way, by the way, by the way, by the way, sorry, I'm mad. Here's what I say. You get there, you finally you you stay, you do the honky tonk thing, you go to the house afterwards, you get there 12:30 or 1:00 a.m. It's reasonable that you say, "God, I wish we could have sp spent overnight at the Four Seasons, but we're tired. We're just going to spend overnight here." What you do in, first of all, you text. Second of all, you wake up at 6:30 or 7 a.m. and you book it back down to the Four Seasons and you have breakfast with everyone else.

40:02 That's what you do. you don't decide. Okay, it's too far because the four the place that they're going to to fly fish is between the house and the four seasons, right? So, they would have had to go all the way back to the

40:15 that's but that's what you do. That's what you do because it's about being together and so it's inefficient but that's why you wake up early and you do it and you make that gesture and you say I'll be there in the morning. That's what I I think that's what you do if you're going to do this whole like, you know, ridiculous logistical plan in the first place.

40:35 Yeah. So Kay's like, "Well, our bags weren't even packed and then we're going going to come for another hour." No, no, no. So they look for a bathroom for Tia and Angel's like, "Well, today we're under some time constraints at the beautiful scenic location where these ladies are going to fly fish and I have my guides and I have a chef." And then we see the chef dropping food into the fire, creating a delicious three course lunch so that they could go straight to the airport comfortably. Someone needs to literally light a fire under Angel's ass cuz even even in her confessionals, she's like, "And then we have a fire and then we're going to eat food."

41:19 Oh gosh, it's just so And the thing is this, she's also acting like this lunchon is like some sort of Michelin level thing. And it looks like a very nice lunch. A nice grilled steak and some vegetables. I mean, there were some beautiful looking vegetables there, but she's acting as if this is, you know, Thomas Keller who's serving the food. And it's just like just a nice steak lunch. And so I'm like, it's almost good that they

41:46 more like Helen. Am I right? This is some crunchy steak. What is this? Who cooked this? Did you cook it on the ground?

41:54 He knocks over the grill. Steak's just on the forest. The grass. They're like, "Wait a minute. Everything's burning around us."

42:04 So now it's 11:58 a.m. and the Four Seasons ladies are getting in their cars. I'm like,

42:11 and go ahead. They have to be at the airport at 2 or 2:30 and it's noon and you're getting in the car. As they get in the car and Jazzy go Jazz is like, "Do you guys have any champagne? Cuz this is like an hour and 46 minute drive." I'm like, "What? What?" Now, the Denver airport is a ways out of Denver. What? It's about like 25 to 30 minutes outside of Denver. I don't know if that's like on the way. So, like maybe it's an hour and 46 minutes to the campsite, but then only an hour from the campsite to the airport. But either way,

42:46 but like either way, how that's two two I'm saying being very optimistically being very optimistic. Two hours and 45 minutes to get go there and back to the airport and then you're supposed to in the also tack on time for fly fishing and a three course meal. How is this going to make sense when you only have two and a half hours of

43:04 and then to travel more? It's like, "Okay, let's travel 3 hours today and then we'll get on the plane to travel again all the way to the east coast." Like what?

43:13 You're already 15 minutes in the red just by going there and driving back. If you do nothing else but drive to the campsite and then drive to the airport with my weird estimations, you're already 15 minutes in the red. I don't I just don't even get it. I don't understand this whatsoever.

43:25 Yeah. So, Wendy wants a gas station margarita and Jazzy's like, "Wow, you guys made this trip fun, baby. I feel like the dude in Home Alone once we got to the Four Seasons." like, "Yes, I will have a large pizza and a champagne." So, um, Mon'nique's like, "Well, I talked to my mom this morning." Literally, nobody cares. She's like, "I miss my coffee." I mean, she's like, "Me, too, cuz like us having coffee is synonymous with us having a conversation. Like, it happens every single day." And Ashley's like, "Oh, wow. Do you talk to your mom like that, Jazelle?" And Jazelle's like, "No."

43:59 Which, by the way, I feel like Ashley knows this. That was such an Ashley. I know this, but I'm gonna ask you this on camera. Joelle's like, "No, I don't talk to my mom very much. Maybe once a week." Uh, and she says that basically, um, you know, after her dad passed, she's now just basically talking to her mom about where's the will? Where's the will? What are your passwords? I'm not going through this again. Yeah, I like that. She's like, "Yes, I have to speak to my mother. I ask her where her money is, when am I going to get it, what is her bank password, justelle, she's so touchy feely. Um, and we see her on a conversation with her mom and her mom's like, I'm in the grocery store, honey. She's like, I'm just making sure. Uh, do you want to drop your pin pin number right now?

44:42 You're old. You're old. She's like, I'm great. I'll call you later, honey. And hangs up on her. Angel shows up at the supermarket. Well, I heard something about dropping a pin. Um, so, so yeah. So, uh, then, uh, you know, they're just talking about the mom and grandparents and how the kids talk to her mom more than she does and yada yada yada. Um, so then Jazzy is like, "Oh gosh, poor Angel trying to help her." And Wendy's like, "Yeah, well, I think she gets stuck in the way of of this." And that's just who she is, you know, then that's, you know, and I I can relate to that. But if you do want to have that genuine, you know, connection with people, you have to realize that there has to be a level of compromise because who have you connected with in this group, you know, and if you think about it, Ronnie, I feel like Angel started off the season doing okay. She was okay. And it was like the moment that Wendy checked her

45:35 at that prenness brunch. I feel like Angel has been unraveling since that moment and she just never quite got back into her groove, right? Yeah. She's just not she's just not meant I don't think she expected for them to kind of be coming for her or each other really in the way that they do in this group. I don't know if she's like the only person who never watched show before they came on, but she seems like she doesn't know where she is or what she's doing. I think she came in thinking that she would be this fabulous housewife, this wag, glamorous, wealthy, into self-help and self-enrichment, and would just be effortlessly uh integrated into the group because everyone would love her, would want her to tell stories of the NFL, and she would win over everyone. and said she arrived and they just they just poked holes through all of her [ __ ] and she just did not know what to do.

46:35 Yeah. Well, now um speaking of [ __ ] we've got a whole episode that is taking place in cars. So, the ladies are like, "Oh [ __ ] this is the season finale. What are we going to do?" So, they start trying to start fights in cars. So, here's the first one, and it is Stacy versus Jazzy. So, it's Jazzy, Wendy, and Stacy in the car. So, they're driving along, and Stacy's like, "Well, you know, Jazzy, I was a little shocked to see you geeking and exchanging numbers with Shereice at Family Fun Day." And Wendy goes, "Oh, wow. Oh, wow. Here we go. Here we go. I can see why, but go ahead. Go ahead with this." And so Stacy's like, "Because I shared with you and Wendy that Charice was at Jazelle's party calling me someone who was promiscuous." And then we see a flashback of Shares being like, "That goes a flat."

47:26 So then, uh, Stacy's like, "And I was shocked when I saw you getting her phone number." So Jazzy is ready for this. And she goes, "Well, I'm really sorry that you were hurt, Stacy. I really am." Um, Wendy, how do you think um, do you think I should have like handled it better? Do you think I should have said, "Oh, no. You came for my friend, so right now is not the time for me to exchange numbers with you, even though this is my first time meeting you, Wendy. What do you think I should do?" That's my cue to you, Wendy, to say the thing you were gonna say about the wedding. Okay.

47:56 And Wendy's just staring straight ahead because she's in the front seat, so they're kind of arguing in the back. So, she's just like, "Um, well, I mean, I guess if it's your first Oh, and she's like, well, how long have you known me, though? And what does it matter if the first time you met her, so what? You know me, not her. And this is so important to me that I've waited a month to bring it up." And so, uh, Jazzy is like, "So, um, I'm supposed to just be rude to her. That that's what you want me to do?" She's like, "Well, I don't care who you're rude to. You're my friend." So, Jazzy replies by saying, "Stacy, how did you want me to navigate meeting her? Did you want me to say no? I can't see your number because you said bad things to my I can't I can't take your number because you said bad things to my friend." Like, how like, what am I supposed to do?

48:40 Like, what do you want me to do? I can't just go around being super upset with everybody who comes for Stacy cuz then I wouldn't have any friends. Stacy. Well, I mean, if that's how you feel, then we're going to just leave it at that.

48:50 And then, of course, now Stacy, my turn. My turn. Now that I can hear what you're talking about. Stacy, can I ask you a question? Now, this is a twicky twicky thing with loyalty. Okay. The loyalty that you expect from your friend, you better be damn sure to be able to reciprocate it. And Jazzy's like, "Hello." She goes, "Well, I think Jazzy knows the history of our relationship and the experiences that we've had together. And I have been loyal to you. I've been very loyal.

49:16 Well, Stacey, let's just clear this one thing up. Was it your initial plan to support me at my wedding before Ashley and Wendy said that they were coming? And Wendy goes because she knows what this is about. Just was it Wendy? Wendy's like, "Are we going there? Are we going to do this? Are we going to really do this before we get to a group setting?" And Jazzy goes, "Yeah, we're going there."

49:37 And Wendy just keeps screaming. I mean, both these fights are so stupid. First of all, the the thing where she got Sheresa's number was a long time ago. If you had a problem with that, you should have said something then. And the thing about her not going to the wedding unless she knew somebody is not crazy. I wouldn't go to your stupid wedding unless I knew somebody either. Have you ever been to a wedding alone? It sucks.

49:58 Yeah. I would say that uh I would I would honestly say that 60% of people don't want to be at your wedding. Like I I say that that's probably like the rough estimate for really any wedding. like people like it. They're they're happy for you. But no one's saying there are some people who genuinely love going to weddings, but I think there's like a large number of people who are not really at a wedding.

50:19 You know who loves going to weddings? People who want to get married. That's the only people who love to go to a wedding. People who are like about to get married or want to get married in the future and they dream about it and they want to go judge each other's weddings and be like, "Well, the catering at that wedding sucked. My my wedding's going to be a lot better or my wedding was better." maybe people living in the past, but in general, weddings are just not they're not a healthy hobby.

50:43 I will say that the wedding is usually most exciting for the people who are the stars of the wedding. Um I enjoy weddings.

50:51 Like no one wants to go to your improv show either, but I'm glad you're doing it. Like that's nice.

50:55 Yeah, I enjoy weddings. Um some of them are really beautiful. Some of them are very emotional. Others are a little bit more generic. I'm not going to lie. But almost almost every single wedding that comes around, like 2 days beforehand, someone says, "Hey, um, we're going to go to IKEA." And I'm like, "I I can't go. I've got to go to a wedding." It's like there's always something that like I actually true truly genuinely want to do more. And like it's not doesn't take away from the the beauty and and the the loveliness of the wedding, but I'm just saying don't act don't think that your wedding is the end all beall for events of that weekend cuz there's other really cool [ __ ] that we could all be doing.

51:36 Like you're not doing me a favor by letting me choose between chicken and salmon. You know what I mean? That's not that's not like the biggest thing that happened to me this year. I'm doing you the favor by going to your [ __ ] wedding. Okay? And I'm going to write it down and I'm going to hold on to that. So next time I'm mad at you, I can be like, I went to your wedding and I bought you a $150 dish rack. Who even orders a $150 dish rack?

51:58 Like who does that? One of my friends did that. And still, the last time I got mad at her, I did think of that. I was like, "This girl is giving me attitude when I spent $150 on a dish rack for her."

52:09 Really? And I got yelled at by JLo's ex um dancer, boyfriend, husband. Well, he didn't yell at me, but he he got really mad at me.

52:19 Was it the Was it She was like the young dancer that she was I think she was married to him, right?

52:26 I don't remember, but I was at the bar and I ordered a vodka soda and then I got a vodka soda. And he goes, "Uh, excuse me." And I said, "Yeah." And he said, "You just took my drink." I said, "No, I didn't. I ordered a vodka soda and I got a vodka soda." He went, "That's my vodka soda." I said, "Do you want the vodka soda? I haven't had a sip from it." And he goes, "Yeah, I want it cuz it's mine." And so I gave it to him. And then the bartender just like gave me a look and I said, "May I have a vodka soda, please?"

52:51 And then he kept giving me like this stank eye. And I was like, "Babe, I'm so sorry that I stole your vodka soda." He's like, "Oh, it's okay, man. It's okay." Like he just needed an apology. And then my friend was like, "What was that?" I said, "That loser accused me of stealing his drink." She, "Oh, he was married to JLo." I said, "Does that make him less of a loser? He got dumped in five minutes. Maybe that's why he was so on edge. He was dealing with like PTSD

53:20 from the vodka. The non vodka soda. Little loser. Well, it was if he was married to JLo. It sounds like it was either Chris Jud or

53:30 I think it was Chris Jud. That sounds familiar. Chris Jud's like I don't think I just remember thinking, did you buy this woman $150 dish rack? Then you can get the [ __ ] line behind me, sir. It wasn't uh Mark Mark Anthony. Could you imagine?

53:46 No, I would have I would have just given it to him. I would have been like, "My vodka."

53:50 I would have been like, "Here's your vodka soda. Now get back onto your lily pad sir."

53:56 Wow. Well, that's a very specific reason not to care about going to weddings, but I support it 100%.

54:04 It's always some kind of drama, you know? I was just gonna say I just don't feel like dancing to Bruno Mars again. Like I

54:10 Oh my god. Have you heard the new Bruno Mars song? And now see, I don't hate Bruno Mars like you do. I I actually do like Bruno Mars, but um this new song I heard I heard at the I mean I'm assuming it's a new I heard it actually when I was with you at Gracias Madre. I heard it.

54:24 Um it is every Bruno Mar song. Like can you do you write songs that don't sound exactly like the other songs that you've written?

54:32 Because it sounds exactly the same. Let me guess. Um, it's a song where he is in the chorus gonna strain for a high note when he really shouldn't be like

54:42 where there's like always a point where the chorus has an option to like it's a roller coaster where he has a time it has an option to go back down instead he just goes up higher and he always drains

54:53 and then is the song made for weddings and bar mitzvah. Yeah. And um does the song like try to cash in on retro sounds?

55:04 Yes. Yes. It's kind of like a 50s thing where he like strain sings like his throat hurts.

55:10 I'll tell you one I'll tell you one thing. I do like that Locked Out of Heaven.

55:13 I do that song. That's a great song. Wait to Mars. That Which one is that? Is that new?

55:22 Oh yeah. I like that one too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's not new. I also like Despite Myself. I think I'm going to marry you.

55:31 I know that's one of his most annoying songs, but I do like that song. the song that launched a million flash mobs.

55:37 Yeah, I like it. See, I like Bruno Mars. But yeah, um anyway, sorry Bruno Mars. Sorry you caught you got a stray there. So, um Ashley's like, "Well, do you know?" So, Ashley's like, "Do you know that she wasn't going to come to your wedding until she knew that Wendy and I were coming to your wedding?" That's a flashback. Uh Ashley's starting [ __ ] And of course, it worked because nobody in their right mind would care. You know,

55:59 your wedding's out of town. You know, I I think especially when you have an out of town wedding, you don't get to be like, "You didn't come to my wedding." Yeah, because you had an out of town wedding. What the

56:09 But also, when you've actually gone to the wedding, like that's, you know, she went to the wedding and she cried and she presumably got you a gift

56:19 and she also rearranged her very important business launch for Shio, you know, like and as a result, she just barely missed the cut off to being in Forbes 100 or 5,000. I mean, yes. I mean, look, Stacy for sure full of [ __ ] being like, "Well, I had a very important business meeting like she's gonna launch Shio a like a a regional weed brand and you know, they clock her on it that the save the date came out earlier than that. That was Shady View to book those business meetings, but ultimately she came and she showed up."

56:54 And I understand it might be hurtful for Jazzy to think that Wendy I mean that that Stacy only came when she found out other people were coming as being filmed. But quite frankly, you were would you have invited Stacy if it weren't being filmed?

57:11 Well, that's true. Yeah. Would you even be getting married at that time had it not been filmed? Like you were trying

57:17 and Jazz is like and not blocking off your schedule was extremely hurtful. So for you to sit in my face and be upset about an upper exchange. No, she went to your wedding so that she didn't do anything hurtful and anything hurtful that you heard was because Ashley was trying to start mess. So mess with Ashley for trying to start mess around your wedding. She went to your wedding. So stop your [ __ ]

57:36 She still went. Yeah. And Stacy's like, "Well, I never knew that Ashley was coming to your wedding." Which now everybody now both the other ladies are like, "Whatever, Stacy." because we see Stacy and Ashley on FaceTime in a uh clip and Ashley's like, "I'm getting my stuff in preparation to go to Jazz's wedding." And Stacy's like, "Oh, are you? You're going to Jazzy's wedding?" I am. I'm going to Jazzy's wedding. Oh, so you're officially going to Jazzy's wedding. I'm going to Jazzy's wedding. Wow.

58:10 So, um, Stacey's like, "I don't understand. What am I missing here?" She says, "Well, what you're missing is the truth. At the end of the day, you get nothing but nothing.

58:19 And you could play games in this group, but the people who are your friends and your ride or dies don't play games with us." So now we go to the other car. And Angel is ftting because she says, "We put that GPS coordinator in all three of our phones and I had the same directions, didn't it? It's just not just my phone." And she's like, "Yes, did it say Pike and San Isabelle?" And Kieran's like, "Well, we're they're basically they're lost. They're lost. They're lost.

58:43 And Angel says, "You know, owning Wonderland Outdoors, normally all the fishing spots that I take guests to, I am super duper familiar with, but this particular one, I tried to make accommodations for the large amount of anglers who were going to be on the water. So, I'm just following the GPS coordinates to the high angler volume lake, and I'm just having faith that I will go to the right direction." Let me tell you, I'm a considerate person and I really am worried about the anglers. So,

59:15 sorry I got us lost, guys. The old angler excuse, guys. I'm sorry I'm late. Lots of anglers out there.

59:23 Unfortunately, this lake, uh, I need to find a lake that can accommodate more than four anglers, and it's really hard to find them. So, found one. She's like, I don't know why it's taking me the opposite direction, but it did. He just goes, "Oh, Jesus." So now it's 12:56 p.m. And Mon'nique's like, "Yeah, I don't think Angel's going to redeem herself with Jiselle." And Jazelle's like, "No, if she had said, she would have met me in the suite this morning and she would be like, "Look, let's go over what we're doing for the day because now it's your trip, Jazelle."

59:53 And she would have gotten on her knees and she would have kissed my ring. And then she would have said, "I called your mother and I got her PIN number." I mean, Mon'nique's like, "Yeah, I don't think that's going to happen." But I do feel like we've been through the trenches, you know, and they're all saying how their trauma bonded and stuff. And now she goes, "Hey, do you remember when Wendy said her theory that she thinks that Angel said something to Bobby and that Bobby may have said something to Chris?" Um, so they're back to uh back to

1:00:17 Now this car is going to try and start some drama cuz they're stuck in a car. They're like, "How are we going to do this season finale? We've got to fight. So now we're going to make it that Bobby said something to Chris." So maybe he was the mole. So Monique,

1:00:30 by the way, I don't think that's a terrible theor terribly bad theory, you know?

1:00:34 I don't think it's the worst theory either, but it's just like Ashley's like, "Okay, well now you should yell at her for being the mole of this stupid fight from two months ago." It's like, "Oh."

1:00:44 Oh god, come on. It was Cookie. It was Cookie. We all know it was Cookie and Kiana.

1:00:50 Yeah. Well, I don't I mean, I I suspect it's Cookie and Kier, but I also think I get the sense that Angel has a rapport with Bobby where she kind of um talks about the show as if it's just like a trifle she's doing like gh the women. Yeah, they're so ridiculous. Look at them fighting over non-essential things instead of, you know, having a meditation or doing some self-reflection or being one with nature. Isn't it ridiculous how how materialistic they are? I feel like she probably has that vibe with Bobby and I would not be surprised if she's like, "Gh, now the women are all piling on. Now Mo'Nique is talking about Chris in this way." I mean, as a former wag, can you even believe it? And then I'm I can imagine Bobby being like, "Yo, Chris, they're talking about you on camera. Just heads up."

1:01:37 Well, from what they've said about his relationship with Chris, he was Chris's mentor and gave him a bunch of clothes or something when he was starting.

1:01:45 Yeah. Yeah. Chris was Bobby's Yeah. Chris was Bobby's mentor. That's what I meant. And that was it. I don't like are they still friends? Do they still hang out? It sounded like it was back in the day.

1:01:58 Yeah. I don't know. And also Cookie and Kiana are just too suspicious. I mean, if they were a couple, their name would still be Cookie. Think about it.

1:02:07 It's them. They're guilty. Yorkie. Her C and then Key. Key Ei. It would still be the same name. That's their couple name. It's them. or Kiera Kirk.

1:02:24 Kirk, I mean Kerk, you could do it that way too if you put Kirk guard. Um, either way, I I I think what we can say is that there are enough reasonable other paths for this rumor to get to Chris that I don't think that Stacy deserved to be roasted for being the the leak when

1:02:46 But it could be it could be Stacy, too, though. That's the thing with St. Stacy's always lying.

1:02:50 But there's also reasonable doubt because it is reasonable that Angel said something to Bobby and Bobby may have said something to Chris. It is reasonable that Karina may have just like chatted with Cookie and then Cookie got messy. So I don't think it's but you know it's like when somebody terrible dies, do you really care who does it? It's like a mystery that nobody cares about. That's the thing.

1:03:14 I need a better mystery. And if you're going to bring a mystery about uh up again from that was already boring us the first half of the season, then at least give us an ending to the mystery. Don't just like add a new thing to the mystery and then end the movie. What the hell kind of movie is this?

1:03:28 Well, also don't don't forget that the mystery really was only there to get Mo'Nique mad at Stacy. That's the only reason why anyone cared about how the news got back to Chris. No one inherently cares if Chris knows. They only care if they can weaponize it to get another ally onto the anti-Stacy side. And then that flopped. So she's bringing it up again. It's like,

1:03:49 yeah, but Ashley's like reframing it now because Stacy tried to get Ashley laid with Mauricio. So Ashley's cool with Stacy now. So now she's like, remember that thing I tried to start earlier? Let's just lo Let's just lob it over to Angel and make Angel fight. Let's make Angel cry in the season finale. Let's do that. I'm off of Stacy now. She tried to get me some rich dick. Okay. So, where were we here? They are driving.

1:04:15 They're driving. They're still driving. That's where we are. So, um we see um uh Ashley's like, "Well, the reason I thought about it is because you know athletes like they do have a rapport from the past and you know athletes, they tell each other things." And Bobby, I don't even know if he sent Chris a DM or something. I mean, I don't know, but it could have happened. And Monique's like, "I mean, I don't know." Monique's like, "Really?" again.

1:04:40 Yeah. Come on. So, Ashley tells us that like no one else in the group could or would do that to Mo'Nique, but Angel is a little bit of a question mark considering the fact that she and Bobby sort of knew like know Chris. So, she thinks it's it's possible. I mean, I think that I don't think Angel would do it to stir up trouble. I think she would share it with Bobby because she just shared it with Bobby. And, you know, straight guys are super messy despite despite the reputation being on women. Straight guys are really really messy. So, I

1:05:07 Yeah. So, I think it's this is, you know, I think it was Bobby being messy now. So, Mon'nique is like, well, but he was, you know, he was texting Stacy. Chris was texting Stacy saying that, you know, I heard my name has been circulating in the circle and there was so there's already some sort of conversation and um and Ashley then reveals that she saw Chris, which she does had not mentioned to anyone up until this point, which is crazy. And she's like, "Oh, yeah. You know, I saw him and I asked him, are you hooking up with Stacy?" And um she's like, "Yeah, I said remember how the kids like, "Are you banging Stacy?" And she says that he kind of like sipped from a straw and like bulged his eyes like maybe.

1:05:48 Oh, okay, Ashley. Okay, Ashley. So suddenly Ashley has now this new evidence that she just What? I could have sworn I told you. Mhm. Okay, you're desperate. You're desperate. It's the end of a season that's had nothing happening, mostly because of you distracting the entire season trying to make something happen. And now you're going to try and do it again because you're desperate. I see you, Ashley. I see you. So she's like, "What? I could have sworn I told you." And Monique's like, "Wow, that's wild. Like, still don't care."

1:06:19 Yeah. She was lying through her teeth. Ashley is a totally unreliable narrator. Let's not forget how basically NECA's entire season was, you know, undermined from the beginning because she relayed this whole story to Wendy that NECA was coming for her about like the shrines and the and all that stuff and the I forget even the the Nigerian terminology that was used, but uh for like the taboo class or like the untouchable class, but Ashley went and took a benign conversation and then relayed it to Wendy. totally incompletely and then was like, "Oopsies." So, she's lost all credibility when it comes to spreading gossip.

1:07:00 Yeah. So, Tiselle's like, "Well, no means no. No answer means yes." And more importantly, Ashley, why are you just now telling Monique, "Why haven't you told Monique? I thought you told Monique. I thought Monique knew." No, you're in this with Ashley. I don't believe either one of you. And so, Monnique's like, "Look, even if even his response was messy. I mean, that was messy of Chris." And she I was like, "But I mean, if he didn't bang Stacy, he would have said no." And she goes, "No, we're talking about Chris, though, and he knows what he's doing." And she even said to me at dinner, "I never dated your ex-husband." And all of I mean, maybe they're just all liars then.

1:07:35 They're just all liars, but they are. I like that Mon'nique is like, "You guys are coming here trying to bring my husband, who I just wrote a book about what an [ __ ] this guy is, and you're trying to bring my husband up as some kind of witness that I'm supposed to believe." Like, are you kidding? Like who do you think you're trying to convince here?

1:07:52 Yeah. I love how it just keeps on flopping with Mon'nique. Mon'nique is not taking the bait. She's like, "Yeah, he's messy. He'll lie. He'll lie just to like

1:08:02 like to get people mad at people." She's like "No nope. I don't I don't believe it." Um, and so, uh, then in the other car, they're still fighting about the wedding. So, Wendy's like, "Stand in this, Stacy. Stand in this." She's like, "Where's the lie? Stand in this. You want to set this thing of perfection, stand in it. And Jazz is like, "The lie is in the fact that you weren't coming to my wedding until you [ __ ] found out that Wendy and Ashley were coming." Wendy's like, "There you go. There you go." And Stacy goes, "I disagree with that. I didn't know." Um, and she's Wendy's like, "Oh, I called you and I said, Stacy, you are going to look [ __ ] crazy if you don't go to Jazz's wedding." Did I not? And are you going to lie on me? Cuz even when I said that, when you know said like that, like, "I have these things. I have this thing and this and this whatever. I was like that's your friend and if your friend is

1:08:50 getting married you be at your friend's wedding and I said that and I never wanted to say it to you because I didn't want you to feel hurt but Stacy I'm telling you Jazzy that but Stacy since you want to sit up here and [ __ ] lie I'm going to put it all out there and she's like you have the audacity and they're like oh god come on Stacy about you big [ __ ] liar. I don't care I don't care that Stacy did that. I don't care that Stacy was like I I have something planned every day. I don't know if I can go to this wedding.

1:09:16 I don't know if I have time to go out of town to a wedding. Yeah, I don't care. I'm on her side. Like, I don't think that's such a crazy thing to say. And Wendy's always like, "Oh, and I stood up for you." How is it standing up for her being like, "This girl never liked you. She wasn't even going to go to your wedding until I made her." How is that being someone's friend? This is from the Heather Gay book of like, "I was such a good friend to you. Let me show you what a good friend I am, pill popping alcoholic." Well, she's saying, "I stood up for you because I like when other people were coming for you, Stacey. messed it up for you. Um, and you're making me sound like the crazy one when I was actually trying to say, "Look, you like you need to go to that wedding otherwise you're

1:09:54 She's not trying to make her sound crazy. She's not even talking to Wendy. She's having this fight with um with Jazzy."

1:10:02 Well, I know I'm saying that from Wendy's POV, she feels like she's being undermined right now when she's being

1:10:07 I know, but that's what I'm saying. Like Wendy's making this a big deal. It's not even about Wendy. And then Wendy's throwing Stacy under the bus for no reason and being like, "Oh, you're going to call me a liar. She didn't call you a liar. She's talking to Jazzy." Yeah. So now 2 hours 49 minutes until flight departure. It is 113 p.m. And uh now there's traffic on top of everything else. The the red

1:10:34 now the traffic. So Angel's like, "Well, I'm worried about the ladies. I haven't heard from anybody. I'm going to text them. So Karen is like, "Yeah, do they even have the right address?" So now we see the staff of Wonderland uh working to get this together and and their current is like, "Well, how much longer do you reckon that this is going to take?" And Nina's like, "Um, well, I'm going to need to call Angel. Uh, Angel, uh, Angel, I can't hear you." Hello, Angel. So now they can't hear each other to plan. Angel is now driving up a dirt road in the middle of nowhere and he is like, "It's going to get a bit windy. Well, we're just going to get blown over. Oh my goodness."

1:11:16 So Kier says that they pull up to this campsite. They're circling around. They're not in the right place. They're looking all around. They're all around the pin. There's no fly fishing. There's no lake. There's nothing. So now they have to back out of this dirt road and they have to get back on the road. They're driving back and Angel's like, "Oh god, this is going to make me cry cuz Angel just knows. She just knows she's going to hear it." And it's just like I'm feeling bad for her now. I mean, she's she's so disorganized and she's she's really messing up under pressure. She is not rising to this challenge. And so I'm shaking my head at her, but I also know that like the poor thing, this is just out of her this is out of her wheelhouse at this point.

1:11:58 This is out of her depth. and they're so high that they're also kind of feeling sick and queasy because they're so high up in the mountains. And so she starts crying and she's like, "I don't know if we can get there and then do fly fishing and eat and be able to catch the flight on time." Like Angel's finally getting it. Time finally starts making sense to Angel. And she's like, "Well, just when you think of the lack of water would be where the story ends." No, we top that. And at this point, I don't even care what mountain we're supposed to be on. I just want to be on flat land. Please.

1:12:28 It's just it's just a total [ __ ] show. So, now we are at 2 hours and 45 minutes and 14 seconds.

1:12:36 I like that they're adding seconds today. I know Kiera is now like bent over in her seat and she's saying that she's trying to dry her ass cuz she spilled water on it and

1:12:49 add wet ass into this. So then Angel is really upset and so we go to the other car and um Mon'nique's like, "God, have we even moved? Like what are we doing? We still have an hour to go. We're not going to get there till 2:00." And Ashley's like, "Hold on, that can't be right." And J's like, "Let's be real. It just this just keeps going up." B and now it's 1:36. And so I'm I'm concerned about going and like getting to the airport. And now they're stuck in traffic. It's just a mess. So then Jazelle texts and she's like, "Hey Jazzy, we need to stop at a gas station." Um, so now back to the Stacy and Jazzy fight. Stacy's like, "Well, now that we've taken a pause, may I speak? I understand you being hurt and I can understand you being upset, but if we're going to keep it real and we're not going to lie, maybe we should just go back to why we didn't speak for such a long time." And she's like, "What are

1:13:41 you even talking about?" Stacy goes, "Well, I'm talking about when you were recording phone calls." And Jesse goes, "Stacy, you are really crazy." She goes, "I'm not crazy. We talk about a lot. A lot a lot." The girl by And we were having a conversation about our friendship group. And in the middle of that conversation, something came up where I said, "You are being recorded where it said you're being recorded." And I said to Jazzy, "Why would you record me? I don't even have my full face of makeup on." And she goes, "Um, no. I said to you, I'm the one that brought it up." I was like, "What is that?" She goes, "No, let me finish." No. She goes, "But you're you're not telling the truth, Stacy. I'm the one who said that. Like, what is that? What's that noise? Why are you recording? Why are you recording me?"

1:14:22 She's, "Can I finish?" So, I started to go over in my head all the things that we've talked about. And I was just like, "Wow, if you want to talk about hurt feelings, if you want to talk about length, if you want to talk about drama, if you want to talk about earrings, we can talk about that all day." And girl, you're full of it. She goes, "Where's the lie? Where is it?" And she's like, "If she wasn't my friend, she wouldn't record my phone calls. Are you [ __ ] dumb? Are you actually dumb?" Like, "Are you?" And Wendy's like, "What?" Stacy goes, "You're calling me dumb now. We both know I'm not, so you should calm down." Um, I believe Stacy. I know shocker because I'm usually on Stacy's side this season. I kind of believe her because of the way that Jazzy was acting because when she goes, "Why don't we talk about the real reason where we had problems and Jazzy was like, "Oh, please." You know, she knew what was

1:15:09 coming. She knew this was gonna come and she was not liking that it was coming up and I kind of got the impression. But why would you record the phone calls? Like who are you gonna take?

1:15:20 Yeah, I don't know. Maybe maybe it was like an accident. That's why both of them are accusing each other of doing it cuz I actually

1:15:26 I didn't even know you could record phone calls like on the iPhone. Record. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe they were zooming. I don't know what's happening. They were

1:15:36 on their old Skype software. So, um, Jazz's, you know, so Jazzy's like, "You calm down. You know, you act like you [ __ ] with me and you have the audacity to sit your tall, beautiful ass." That's right. I called you beautiful. And look me dead in the face and try to check me about giving Sharice my number when it was you who didn't come to my wedding. Oh, we're We've moved on to you recording calls now. Let's not try to take this back. This is better. And Stacy also reminds her, "I came to your wedding." She goes, "Well, who didn't who didn't come to like like who didn't make plans to come? You didn't make you weren't going to come." And Wendy's like, "Okay, stop [ __ ] lying in this car." And Jazz is like, "Until this woman said she was coming." She's like, "I called you. I wrote for you. I ride for all of you." Can I talk? Can I talk?

1:16:19 [gasps] No. This is [ __ ] Okay, you ain't You're not going to talk your [ __ ] [ __ ] cuz you you're on some [ __ ] right now. They're just all three of them going at it. So then it's 2 hours 31 minutes and 6 seconds until the flight departure. So now we see somewhere in Colorado, 23 miles from fly fishing. Oh my god, they're still 23 miles away. Oh my god. So the other ladies go to some kind of a rest stop, gas station type thing. Uh they're going to go to the bathroom, so they want to go get a snack. And then we go back to Wendy's car. And Wendy's like, "Okay, uh CGC on three. One, two, three." And then the driver goes, "Cg."

1:17:02 And Wendy's like, "Oh, thank you Diva." I forgot what CGC stand for. Was that cool girl club or something?

1:17:09 I don't know. So, now they pull over and everybody's exhausted. They're all at the rest stop. And uh then they're like, "We need to feed Stacy. She's mad."

1:17:19 So, now we go to Tia and Angel and Kay's truck. And Tia's like, "Well, I feel bad for all of us actually because it's a girl trip and I feel that we've not really been together." And you know, I feel that unintentionally it sends a message that we're not trying to send to girls who don't want to spend time together. You see, an angel [snorts] says, "This is my trip. So throw me under the bus and say it's all my fault and I'm just going to have to revisit where I have gone wrong." I'm like, "You are revisiting it cuz you're back on the same road you took to get here." So, I mean, you're actually doing that.

1:17:52 How fitting is it that her business is called Wonderland and that's all they're doing right now is wandering the land. the whole finale episode did kind of lend itself to that title.

1:18:01 They're just on this journey, this never ending journey like it felt biblical or something. I don't know. So, that the other ladies are there's like a they're at this gas station. There's a food truck, which by the way, they're so lucky that there is a food truck because if you pull over for a snack at the gas station, you're not guaranteed any sort of food truck, but they have a food truck there. And so, they're gonna they're so scared of this food truck. I think the food truck actually looks cute, but they're like, "Whoa, uh, there's food being served out of a vehicle. I don't know about this."

1:18:34 They're so apprehensive. They're very, very,specially Jazelle, very suspicious of this food truck.

1:18:40 They're suspicious of that. They don't know what's going to make them poop and if they even want to poop at the rest stop. It's a, you know, we've all been there.

1:18:47 We've all been, should I even eat? It's going to make me poop. Do I want to poop here? I don't want to poop here. Where are we going to poop? Should we eat? Should we poop first or eat first? What should we do? Also, didn't they just go to brunch and aren't they on their way to lunch?

1:19:00 There's a lot There's a lot happening with the food. Did they even have their brunch? That's what I'm confused about cuz we didn't see any brunch. We just heard plans about a brunch.

1:19:08 That's true. Yeah. I don't know what's happening. Is all excited because they have Fanta and so they order some food

1:19:17 and Wendy's like, "How do we go from a private jet to a gas station?" And like I'm I'm I'm dipped out in my Chanel and I feel like a tumble weed is going to wool acquath my foot.

1:19:27 The specificity of a tumble weed on your foot. Just like But also, why are you wearing Chanel to fly fish? I mean, listen, with all the money troubles that you're having, like you you allegedly defrauded an insurance company to get more money. Stop wasting the Chanel. Save it.

1:19:43 I just love the the tumble weed on her foot. I feel like there was an episode of Arrested Development where Buster was like complaining because a bird touched his foot. It's so funny. He's like, "A bird touched my foot." Um, so they sit down at this like picnic bench and everything. And I mean, it is it is so funny that they are shooting a full-on season finale scene at the this plastic tables on the side of a highway. I mean, this is we've never seen a season finale as low rent as this. And they all know it and they hate it because I think there's a part of it that as a Real Housewife, you know that um there there must be some competition with the other franchises. And to know that your season finale, this is what you're doing for it. That it's not glamorous. No one has a look. You're on the side of a road.

1:20:33 There's random travelers with blurred out faces all around or eating pizza that you don't even want to eat. greasy ass pizza and you're just so mad. You're so because also you probably had things planned for how you wanted to do your season finale, stories that you wanted to bring up in front of the group, you know, um issues you wanted to air out, things you were saving up all season. Probably Ashley was going to save that Chris story for when they were all together at a at a big table.

1:21:00 Yeah, they're they're having to get all their season finale story lines out from the backseat of a car and it's just so sad.

1:21:06 So Ashley calls Angel. amazing for us. Yeah. So Ashley's like, "So, um, where are you guys?" And Angel's like, "Well, um, it's going to take us a really long time because, um, the pin that I followed took me on the opposite side of where we need to go." And I we're like an hour and a half away. And she's like, "I took, we didn't even have reception. It was so scary. I'm going to die. Please get me on flat land." Now she's like, "Wait, you've been in the car 3 hours? Why?" And Angel's like, "Somebody dropped me the wrong pin." Oh god.

1:21:42 And she goes, "So you don't know where we're you're going already?" And Wendy's like, "Wait, don't you have a Wonder Wand company that you take people on excursions?" And Monique is like, "Well, we've definitely done some wandering." She's like, "So you've never done this before?" Uh, so Angela goes, "Well, it's an exclusive location." So it goes so exclusive you don't even know about da and angel goes yeah I'll take that look trust me I'm I'm beating myself up over here but we're driving and I thought you guys would already be at the experience and now she goes well what are we going to do without you there say hi to the anglers and Jazelle's like we don't fly or fish I don't even know why I loosed the reigns of taking over this trip because when I did it's a disaster again like in flames like ba So Kier goes, "This is like a $10,000 dinner experience." Uh, did you see the footage of the guy dropping the steak

1:22:37 into the charcoal girl? And it's only $10,000 cuz that's what Angel is charging for it. It's not like you would pay for this at the, you know, Four Seasons or something. Like, we're getting this for free, you guys. This is Angel saying it's going to cost $10,000 to have her friend cook a couple of pork chops on a on a fire. So Ashley,

1:22:55 like, why are you not cooking the fish that you'd be cook catching with the fly fishing? Okay. Anyway, go on. Add an hour to clean and get that. So Ashley's like, "Well, if we'd stayed at the Four Seasons, we would be together and going to the right place." And they're like, "We know." You know, but now they're all kind of They're all kind of shouting to the phone like, "What are you doing? Where even are you? Where are we? What's going on here? Why are we so alone?" Jazelle goes, "We're on the side of the road." Which I don't do. I'm eating at a food truck, which I don't do. And she's so angry. Although, by the way, personally, I think it seems so fun. I'm like, I would 100% do that. I love that roadside attraction, you know, cool times. So Stacy's like, I'm drinking alcohol from the gas station. And Wendy's like, yeah, it's a gas station margarita, which honestly I've been selling this entire trip, so I'm glad we

1:23:39 finally stopped for this. Um, and Angel's like, but don't worry, guys. The experience is still there for you. And she's like goes, "Do you know what time it is? It's 2:00. Are you kidding? And you don't even know where you are?" And they're like, "Where how far is the excursion from the airport?" And Angel goes, "Two hours." And they're like, "What?" What?

1:24:03 [ __ ] ridiculous. This is crazy. So Mon'nique's like, "Yeah, uh, I'm not going to make it." So Jazelle is just like "No

1:24:12 this is where the trip ends. This is where it ends." Yeah. And so they call the

1:24:18 Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. I was gonna say, well, Jazelle's like, "How is Tia going to get to the airport?" Like she's like my friend Tia because I care about Tia. I want you all to make sure that Tia gets the airport. I'm like that's Tia has Tia's Tia lives in Colorado now. She's not going back to PTOIC. She's stuck. Never happening.

1:24:36 So um now oh my gosh they decide to cancel this. So they have to call uh the chef and the girl who's been the lady who's been helping the chef get all this stuff.

1:24:49 So they call them. Can I just point out this? They just said, "This is a $10,000 dining experience. I can't believe you guys are going to miss this. This is so glamorous." And then we cut to the chef and he's cooking in front of a border body.

1:25:03 I didn't even clock that. That's so funny. He is cooking all of that stuff right in front of a porta body. So, whatever. I mean, this whole thing is

1:25:10 And on top of that, he's not even ready. He's not even ready cuz No, he's just cutting vegetables right now.

1:25:16 And he says, "Uh, I still need 30 more minutes." So, even if they got there, the food wouldn't be ready for 30 more minutes. Angel calls and is like, "Yeah, they're not coming." And she's like, "I'll explain why later." And then Nina's like, "Oh, okay. Well, chef, change of plans. Ladies aren't coming." And he's like, "That sucks." I'll tell you what it doesn't suck for the camera crew. Recake lunch. At least I'm close to the [ __ ] Am I right? So, um, they're like, "Wow, this is really bad. We went from Jets to a private gas station." [clears throat] Um, so now they're like, "Okay, well, it's still the season finale. Who's going to fight?" And Jesse's like, "I'll do it." So Stacy had a situation. And she said that when I met Sheree, she was mad or she was upset because I exchanged numbers with Shereice after Shereice disrespected her. But then Wendy chimed in and said, "Stacy, you need to show

1:26:10 loyalty, too. um because uh you didn't match it when it came to my wedding and she started to distance herself and she wasn't really talking to me until she felt the heat of this group and needed me for support. Just like whoa oh this is a good one. Yes. Okay. I love it. Someone's angry at Stacy again. My favorite. Jazzy's like I have taken your behavior on the chin since I've known you. Okay, Stacy. And I have made excuses as to why I am still very loyal and why I still love Stacy because I do see some good in you. But I also see a lot of [ __ ] Jazz's like, "Oh, excellent. Make her full-time housewife. She's on our side." Uh, better late than never. Just Jazzy's like, "So, for you for you to want so much loyalty with Shereice?" At that point, Stacy cuts her off and she says, "And that's coming from someone who'll be friends with anybody in this group to maintain any kind of spot."

1:27:03 Jazz is like, "No, no, it's a good call." It is a good call. A friend of everybody is a friend to nobody. Toodled sucker.

1:27:14 Also, um, hilarious how Shereice just can come in every season and push just the right buttons on someone and then be gone and they just fight for, you know, five more episodes. Yeah, she's she does have that talent. Uh, she's better offcreen than she is on, I have to say, because she's she was kind of boring. She I couldn't see why she got fired, but man, she still does know how to stir it up.

1:27:38 They should just pay her to produce. I like Shasha, you know? I I don't know. I sometimes I have it in my heart like I have a place in my heart for the people who are so boring that I just like laugh at how like extra boring they are like Shasha and Angel. And um you know, I think Shasha I also still remember what was it two seasons ago where Shasha got so mad that she slammed a table. I was like good for you Shasha. get into the mix.

1:28:03 Yeah. No. Yeah. [clears throat] So, now Jazzy and Stacy are going at it again and Mon'nique's like, "Well, look, it's still her business that she wants to have a friendship with somebody." And Stacy's like, "I knew this would happen." And Wendy says, "You started it." And in all fairness, you started it with the Sharie [ __ ] in the car, and I'm calling you out on that. That's why I'm calling you out. And you just kept on attacking her. And Stacey said, "How am I attacking her?" And she's like, "Dude, I just said in the [ __ ] car, did you not hear me?" And she's and Jazz's like, "Stacy, because you're trying to play the victim here." So now they're, you know, telling Stacy to stop being a victim and this and that and like whatever. I don't even know what you're talking about.

1:28:43 I don't know what I'm talking about. What the [ __ ] are you talking about? I don't know what you're talking about. See, I just said it back to you. Isn't that funny? You're so smart. So clarify. Well, I am smart and I already clarified it to you, but you don't [ __ ] want to get it cuz you don't want to. Stacy, I have held you down, baby, but you're really on the wrong [ __ ] turn. So Jazelle's like, "Ooh, digging a hole. I love it. Digging hole. Digging a hole." So

1:29:10 she's like, "I only stay [ __ ] except I'm upset." God. And it's the gas station margaritas. So Stacy gets up and walks off. And so Ashley's like, "What is she doing? Getting her bag." So now Stacy's going to what? Take an Uber, I guess, for two hours to the airport.

1:29:27 I don't know. So she's like money people. So Stacy is like Wendy and I have grown so close and we're true friends. So to see her challenging me in this way is like a dagger in my heart. It's just too much. So Ash's like Stacy babe, where are you going? And so Ash and Wendy go after Stacy and Ash's like, "We're in the m we're in the mountains, babe. Where are you going to go? You're not going to get an Uber." And she's like, which I didn't even think about. Like there are probably no Ubers where Stacy is. So they're like, "Come on, come on.

1:29:57 Come on. We're going to leave together. It'll be okay." She's like, "No, I'm fine leaving alone. That's what I'll do." It's like, "But you you don't want to have any relations with anybody. Is that what you're saying, Stacy?" And she's like, "I've tried to have friendships with all of you, but Stacy, this is what we're saying, and I hope you receive it." Okay. And she's like, "You screamed at me and read me for filth. You're not my friend." She, "Well, when everybody in this group hated you, I had your back. I had your back."

1:30:25 And so Ash's like, "Yeah, she did to me and everybody else even." And she's like, "Yeah, well remember that I had your back." So Jazzy is now crying for what reason? I don't know. But Jazzy

1:30:37 because someone cuz someone thought about not going to her wedding, but then ultimately thought of going to her wedding and probably gave her a gift. She's upset that it wasn't like a pure intention to go to the wedding the entire time. That's that could bring it to tears,

1:30:49 I guess. So um Mon'nique's just trying to be there for her, but also being like, "Can we just leave?" You know, she's like, "Oh my god." So she's like, "I think that's gaslighting, right?" And now she's like, "Well, she was basically saying that Wendy was not being a friend to her."

1:31:04 Yeah. And Mon'nique's like, "But like she told the truth." And she's like, "Wendy, you've been nothing but a friend and defended her."

1:31:11 Oh my god, you guys. You're fighting over somebody who went to a wedding, possibly not going to the wedding. I mean, what are you even fighting about? This is such they're making such a big deal out of this non-issue fight. And now it's turned into like who's a good friend has Wendy been sticking up for I don't know that I would consider any of this sticking up for my friend

1:31:31 being like like outing stuff that she told you whatever. Okay. Yeah. This is at this point this is just um

1:31:38 well obviously when translated this to being about like I have been a friend to you and part of being a friend is that I tell you hard truths and now you're going to be like mad at me saying that I'm not was a bad friend but I am a good friend blah blah blah. So Wendy has Wendy and Stacy have they they got Wendy with basically had said something like you know what [ __ ] this friendship and she came back to the table but now she's saying you know what I'm going to go back one more time to talk some sense into her and Jazzy says I really tried to give her the benefit of the doubt. I really tried. I'm like she went to your wedding. Not only did you give her the benefit of the doubt she gave you the benefit of a present.

1:32:14 So Wendy uh goes back to Stacy. She goes okay well so here we are. Because this is really unfortunate. I don't know, Stacey. I'm almost like at a point like in being your friend because like when we have a difference of opinion, that's the moment you tell me I'm not a friend. And it's like you don't take into account all the time that I've been there for you when nobody else has with your bad breath. By the way, is anyone going to bring that back for the finale? Anyone? I'll do it.

1:32:40 And now it's raining. It's going to start raining. And Wendy's like, "The sky is literally crying because they're mad. They're mad because our CGC is called Falling Apart. You can yell at Ashley. You can yell at Jazelle, but I'm asking you as my friend when [ __ ] goes down and when I'm honest with you, don't ever forget what we have built, even though I just read you for filth in front of a girl who is attacking you for a stupid reason that I started. So Ashley goes over to them and what's hilarious is that like the the two spheres of action are this like set of plastic tables or like a a rock by the the bathroom.

1:33:17 I don't know. It's gas. This is so gas stationy. I love it. I love this entire scene. And so Ash is like, "Well, they're not Oh, looks looks like they're not screaming anymore. That's good." And Stacy's like, "Yeah, we're fine." So they have like this Ash's like, "Can you guys hug?" So, they have this like cold artificial hug, superficial hug, maybe artificial, too. And um Stacey's like, "Okay." She's like, she's like, "I need to go back to the DMV. I cannot be in Colorado any longer."

1:33:46 She's like, "Well, at least we survived and it wasn't as awful as all the other times I've been around these ladies." She starts laughing. [clears throat]

1:33:53 So, now we got their end cards. Uh Stacy and Teemo are still going strong but have no plans to remarry. as ink on the sealed divorce papers is too fresh. But if they did, Jazzy would not be invited to the wedding and Arabella would be the flower girl. A horrib. So they start joking. They're smacking Stacy's butt and saying that she has no butt. Now for Jazelle, after a two-year battle, Jiselle lost the fight over her father's will, which is such [ __ ] That's crazy. So basically, she got nothing in the will, which we all know that that is [ __ ] wife is going to get you. Watch out for the new wife. We all know this.

1:34:32 That's crazy. Like that man's love for his daughter was well documented on TV. Like you just cannot tell me that he decided not to give anything to Jazelle and her daughters. Like that is such [ __ ] That woman

1:34:43 No, that lady changed it when he had brain when he was having his brain issue. She went in and changed all the [ __ ]

1:34:49 Yeah. No, I know. It's crazy. It's just so craven. Um, but one loss that did not overshadow is that Angel [clears throat] is now part of AKA. Um, so then Wendy, three months after the Colorado trip, Wendy Netty were arrested for fraud and they are facing felony charges and if convicted up to 15 years in prison. I was surprised they didn't add like a little thing, but their living room looks great, you know? Like that would be so bravo to do that.

1:35:16 It was so dry. It was just like they're arrested. They're probably going to jail. Okay, next.

1:35:22 That's like a shot of her in the gas station smiling like, "Do you think they have a stinkas bomb inside there?" She's going to jail. Oh, so Ashley's second bloom has her secondguessing Josh. Oh god. So she's still breaking up with and getting back together with Josh for storylines, but she is continuing to write the next chapter of her life, including a children's book, of course. Well, at least Ashley is not trying to write an a an actual book. At least she's like, I'm going to try and come up with 10 good pages.

1:35:53 Did you see the name of the children's book? It was No. The night I made you in the bathtub.

1:36:01 Chocolate and love. What was it? What was it called? Coffee and love. Coffee and love.

1:36:07 No, coffee. Was it coffee and love or coffee and whatever? Coffee and love in the morning gets me happy. Living and thriving, not just surviving. Um then uh they're still driving and Karina tells Angel, "Angel, I'm really proud of you for getting us down that [ __ ] mountain because I was losing my [ __ ] I am so proud of you that you drove not only up the highway, but down the highway. That was really brave of you. Good job. Good job.

1:36:35 I've never been with somebody who's gone through three tanks of gas in one day. Such a good job, Angel." And she's like, Angel's finally crying. She's like, "Oh, I feel like a masochist." It's like this entire experience has been me stretching myself and I've cried and I've worried about this for so long and I've been planning it for months in the middle of moving and um you plan this for months. I don't think so.

1:37:05 Don't think so. Well, you know, everybody knows that you sometimes plan something and it doesn't go as planned. and I just hope that they're going to give you a little bit of grace. Uh, just kidding. They're going to rip you to shreds. Good luck to you. Yeah. So, Tia is like, I feel bad for her. She's [ __ ] Then, uh, Kay and Greg are better than ever, but she's still prioritizing her med spa business over marriage. As if that was her choice. Come on. Yeah, I like that they're making they're giving Kier a positive car. Like, Kiera is just choosing not to get married to Greg. The picture frame remains the only bling from the jewelry store in her possession.

1:37:46 Uh, and then for Tia, Tia and her sister are continuing to build her their relationship. And what isn't continuing, house parties thrown by Tia's kids, at least that she's aware of. And Angel is saying that things are inconvenient in the moment, but I never dwell in the space of chaos and confusion. I move on. I'm a strong woman. I'm that girl. I'm a problem solver. I'm a healer. I've always been this. Knowing me is a privilege. Oh, goodbye. Bye, Angel. Nice try, Angel.

1:38:22 Was a privilege. Uh, I love Angel saying, "I never dwell in the space of chaos and confusion. I I never do that." And the fact that Wendy said that I was the catfish. You know what? I was just thinking about it. I think it was Ash who said I was the catfish. Anyway, I don't dwell on the past at all. get to know me. Uh, so now, um, Jazelle is saying, "One thing I know for sure, the Grand Dam would not have made it through this trip. I promise you, she's in a better place right now. Prison." And then we see two months later, we see quiet scenes. Rampattoic. We see a shot of the tali ho.

1:39:06 I like if they just opened a trap door in the tally hoe and Karen just crawls out like, "I made it. I'm back. I'm back, baby."

1:39:13 She has a tattoo of the entire prison on her on her body. She's like, "I use my experience to get out of there."

1:39:23 I've tattooed the recipe for your waffles on my back. So, uh, so Karen, uh, emerges from the jail. She has braids and like a little thing on her head

1:39:35 and some jeans. I don't think I've ever seen Karen in jeans. Now, this was the most disturbing thing. I was like, this was real. Karen is in big acidwashed jeans. What? I've never seen it. I don't want to see it. I didn't need to see it. It was disturbing. And she's traumatized. She's like shaking. She gets in the car and she looks back at the jail and she looks at the cameras and she's like,

1:39:59 but mainly because we're catching her in jeans. I think that's why she was actually like that.

1:40:03 I know. It's like I can't believe you're catching me like this. And then we see next week on the season finale. Here we are sitting down with Karen Uger. Karen, did you drunk drive here? I'm talking about jail. Was it hot? Um, yeah. Karen, uh, it is so funny to me. She gets out of jail, but clearly someone from Bravo had to go into that facility first. and mic her up because we hear her saying on mic, you know, saying, "Oh, thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you." It's a privilege. It's a privilege getting to sign autographs for all you good people. Goodbye, Grandom. So, it's just so funny like stepping out of jail. But the first thing of business, first order of business, make that money. Get that microphone on. And you have the Could you imagine you've been in jail for 9 months and then you get into a car and there's a camera just right there? Bravo cameras right in your face. But um

1:40:59 well, is she is she going to be at the reunion? Yes. No. Right. She is. How come?

1:41:06 I think they bring her I think I'm going to say at the last episode they bring her out ask you know the women are probably going to ask her questions how she's doing and I don't know how come it's going to be a great ploy. I mean I'm going to I I don't know. We'll have to discuss what the plan is with this you know next week.

1:41:22 It's just going to be an interview. I don't know if that's going to be recappable or not, but for sure we'll definitely be watching it and we'll we'll see how it goes, but uh

1:41:31 yeah, we'll probably just talk about the interview a little bit on the uh first reunion episode

1:41:36 or Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll just like catch you up. I don't think we need to do a whole

1:41:41 Yeah. I don't know. Like an hour of Andy talking to Karen. I don't know. Andy picked up his pen.

1:41:47 Could you believe it, Ronnie? The way he picked up that pen, it makes me so mad. I remember when I was a kid, I picked up a pen and I was like, I dropped the pen. Oh my god, what a funny story.

1:41:55 Yeah. Uh I don't think we need that because it's going to be also a lot of Karen horseshit because you know Karen is going to be like but I don't know because I'm interested to see um like is there a story behind the eyebrows because eyebrows are crazy. Like do they do something to your eyebrows in prison? What happened? I need to know. Tell me every I'm going to definitely watch it. So I guess we'll see about covering it next week but who knows.

1:42:18 You quoting JLo's other ex cuz I need to know. Okay. Well, everyone, thanks so much for being here [clears throat] on this wild trippy episode, literally. And we'll be back later today with both marriage medicine and some Amazon live. Thanks everyone. Bye

1:42:37 bye.

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Who speaks in "RHOP S10E16: Rocky Roads"?

Ben Mandelker (Host), Ronnie Carum (Host), Angel (Guest), Jazelle (Guest), Wendy (Guest), Stacy (Guest).

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In "Rocky Roads," hosts Ben Mandelker and Ronnie Carum celebrate a belated birthday episode filled with humor and nostalgia, reflecting on their podcast's journey as it reaches its 14th year. The lighthearted discussion includes personal anecdotes, such as Ben's miscalculation of his age and Ronnie's realization about his dog's age, showcasing their camaraderie and the joy of sharing their…

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