RHOSLC S619 Reunion 3: Todds and Ends

What this episode is about

The discussion revolves around the third reunion episode of "Real Housewives of Salt Lake City," where hosts Ben and Ronnie reflect on the season's conclusion, addressing cast dynamics and potential changes for the next season. They analyze which cast members, particularly Whitney and Meredith, may face repercussions based on their actions and interactions throughout the season.

Key takeaways

• Bravo's reality stars: where every whisper could be a scandal and every season a game of Survivor.
• Bringing messy marriages to reality TV? Bravo calls it 'content!' Just ask Whitney and her decaying romance.
• Meredith Marks: the unlikely heroine of Salt Lake City, defended for yelling on a plane not for punctuality.
• Heather Gay: the 'loud glue' of the show, proving that chaos often holds the real drama together.
• Colton's WWHL cancellation: a villainous plot twist or just a reality TV casualty? Either way, who cares?

Who speaks in this episode?

• Ben Mandelker (Host) · 1 h 6 min speaking
• Ronnie Carum (Host) · 44 min speaking
• Meredith Marks (Guest) · 22 min speaking
• Britney (Guest) · 17 min speaking
• Heather (Guest) · 11 min speaking
• Bronwin (Guest) · 11 min speaking

What is discussed, and when

1. 0:00 – 10:00: Patreon, Meredith Marks, Bravo, Ronnie Carum
2. 10:00 – 20:00: Crazy Rich Asians, Meredith Marks
3. 20:00 – 30:00: Crazy Rich Asians
4. 30:00 – 40:00: Meredith Marks, Crazy Rich Asians
5. 1:10:00 – 1:20:00: Meredith Marks
6. 1:20:00 – 1:30:00: US Weekly
7. 1:40:00 – 1:50:00: Crazy Rich Asians, US Weekly
8. 1:50:00 – 1:50:40: Summer House

Notable quotes from "RHOSLC S619 Reunion 3: Todds and Ends"

• Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crapins, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo. We just love to talk about.

  about Bravo · at 0:25

• Meredith because everyone's asking me because she's being attacked constantly and it's ridiculous. I don't see anything that she's done except yell at somebody on a plane and…

  about Meredith Marks · at 1:52

• Think of it. While you all think about that, let us remind you that in one month from yesterday, actually, we have the Golden Krabies. It is coming up in a month. It's scary.…

  about Golden Krabies · at 3:17

• Happens at patreon if you support there. We also have a brand new newsletter. Ronnie wrote it this week. Did a wonderful job. I want to say let's give you a public anti-shaming reverse sham.

  about Ronnie Carum · at 4:12

• It's not production. Everyone on this couch, there's a second half to why we were recognized in US Weekly. Well, everyone but Britney. And there's an entire team behind the scenes. They're our other half. Yay for production.

  about US Weekly · at 1:25:24

• She's learned about acceptance. And Meredith is Well, I've learned that Crazy Rich Asians is a more complicated film than I originally thought and I really owe it another viewing. If you're going to pop a pill, do it in the privacy of your.

  about Crazy Rich Asians · at 1:46:08

• Next season has to bring us. But, thanks for a wonderful season overall and yeah, good times. Now, we pivot on Tuesday nights to Summer House.

  about Summer House · at 1:50:17

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

• Meredith Marks — Person · Referenced cast member (RHOSLC) / central subject of debate · 7 mentions · first at 1:38
  A major portion of the recap centers on accusations about her behavior on a plane, alleged substance use insinuations, and conflict with other cast members and production.
• Ronnie Carum — Person · Podcast host / co-host · 2 mentions · first at 0:36
  He co-hosts the episode with Ben, driving much of the comedic reenactment and critique of cast behavior and reunion dynamics.
• Ben Mandelker — Person · Podcast host / co-host · 1 mention · first at 0:27
  He co-hosts the Watch What Crappens episode and provides commentary, jokes, and analysis of the RHOSLC reunion.
  Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crapins, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo. We just love to talk about.

Companies & orgs

• Bravo — Company · Business focus · 2 mentions · first at 0:27
  Bravo is the network that produces 'The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City', the main subject of the podcast.

Places & events

• Golden Krabies — Event · Event experience · 2 mentions · first at 3:22
  An upcoming event mentioned by the hosts, likely related to the podcast or Bravo shows.

Media & podcasts

• Summer House — Media · Business focus · 1 mention · first at 1:50:22
  Announced as the next show the podcast will cover after finishing with 'The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City'.
• Crazy Rich Asians — Media · Referenced work · 10 mentions · first at 15:00
  Mentioned in the context of a discussion about a scene on a plane, contributing to the narrative.
• US Weekly — Media · Referenced work · 3 mentions · first at 1:25:26
  Mentioned in passing as a publication where the hosts or their content has been featured.

Sponsors

• Patreon — Company · Sponsor · 3 mentions · first at 0:10
  Patreon is mentioned as a platform where listeners can support the podcast and access bonus content.
  Watch what happens.com. It's also on our social media. And then don't forget our Patreon. You can get ad free watch what happens at patreon if you support there. We also have a…

Full transcript with timestamps

0:05 Welcome to Watch What Crappins. To get our videos as soon as they're released instead of waiting for a week, head over to our Patreon. That's also where you'll find our bonus episodes and our Discord community. We love you guys. Well, hello and welcome to Watch What Crapins, a podcast about all that crap on Bravo. We just love to talk about. I'm Ben Mandelker joining me today for Salt Lake City finale. Finale finale day. It's Ronnie Carum. Hi Ronnie. How's it going?

0:39 Well, hello Ben. How's everything going with you? Uh, it's going as well as it possibly could be. Excited to uh put this season to sleep. The third and final uh reunion episode.

0:52 No, we're putting it to bed. Not putting it to sleep. Are you going to kill it?

0:58 Wait. So, you just want to be in bed and lying there with its eyes open just thinking about things. No, we're putting it to sleep.

1:03 It's limping along. We're putting it to sleep. That's it. It's in pain. Okay. It's It's better for the show.

1:09 It's better for the show. We don't know who's coming back next year. It's kind of like a murder mystery. It's like White Lotus. Like, someone's died, but who is it? Uh, it's hard to know. Uh Ryan and I went out last night with our colleague Dame Brian Molen and we spent lots of time trying to discuss who would be on the outs. I don't know if we actually settled on anything, but it felt like Whitney was really making a play like keep me on a season and you can see my marriage fall apart. So Bravo may take that bait. Um Meredith Marks, who knows? Whoever knows with Meredith Marks, she threw production under the bus. Bravo doesn't like that. When did she I mean I I still am gonna argue about that. I didn't Listen, you know, here's the reason I'm standing up for Meredith because everyone's asking me because she's being attacked constantly and it's ridiculous. I don't see anything that she's done except yell at

1:58 somebody on a plane and I'm not going to get mad at a housewife for yelling at somebody on a plane. I'm not going to do it. And that's why that is why that's the only reason I'm not being paid by Meredith. I barely know the woman. I've met her two times in my life. We have not had any deep life-changing conversations. She's being attacked for no reason. Let the woman pop her pills.

2:16 Yeah. So, like, you know, so I mean, we have a whole bunch of suspects here. We got Whitney, but like she's bringing her bring might be bringing a separation story. Meredith may issues with production, but like also Meredith is a huge star. And then you've got rumors of Brunwin leaving, which seems crazy, but then it turns out she initiated the separation from Todd. So, if the rumor is that like she was trying to save her marriage, is she really? And then you've got Heather. You know, a lot of people are getting tired of Heather stick, but also Heather is indisputably, no matter how you feel about her, she is kind of the glue of the show. A very loud interrupting glue, but a glue nonetheless. Angie, huge people, you know, like fan favorite, but also disappeared a little bit towards the second half of the season. I mean, Mary, I don't think they'll get rid of Mary.

3:03 And then is there anyone else after that? I mean, Britney is just a Britney. She's just a friend of So, who could it be? I don't know. I don't know. I'm not going to worry about you know what I'm just I'm just happy with whoever shows up.

3:15 Well, be happy with that's a good way to think of it. While you all think about that, let us remind you that in one month from yesterday, actually, we have the Golden Krabies. It is coming up in a month. It's scary. My heart is now starting to race a little bit as I think about it. We have so much to do, so much work. But the good news is we have I think we pretty much have all of our special guests locked in and we've got a big one. So, um it's really exciting. We have actually several big ones and we're it's going to be a fun ass time. There are still some tickets available, not many, but go to watchins.com to get your tickets and we will also be streaming.

3:55 All that information about streaming and the uh the voting, the first round of voting is going to start next week and then we're off to the races. It's going to be a good one. A lot of funny things. So, uh, can't wait for all that. Go to watch what happens.com. It's also on our social media. And then don't forget our Patreon. You can get ad free watch what happens at patreon uh if you support there. We also have a brand new newsletter. Ronnie wrote it uh this week. Did a wonderful job. I want to say let's give you a public anti-shaming reverse sham.

4:25 Why thank you. That's a hug for a great newsletter. Why thank you. A great newsletter.

4:30 That's going back to the blogging days. It's really fun. Yeah. Um that those are our roots and it's completely free. So you don't even have to spend a single dime uh on Patreon if you don't want to. That newsletter is there. Um and bonus episodes. Traders on Friday. I literally cannot wait. What day is today? It's Wednesday. Damn it. For a moment I thought it was Thursday and we'd have the new episode tonight.

4:53 No. Still 24 more hours. Tomorrow. Did you see that Colton was supposed to be on Watch what happens live and then he like backed out or he backed out or they pushed him off?

5:03 Something happened. So they put up Rapaort instead. Wow. Talk about a villainous move for Rapaort on us, Colton.

5:13 No kidding. Was there nobody else available in New York? But did we actually also really want to hear from Colton? No, they're having a whole

5:21 But I I wanted to see him at least be asked some questions like maybe about stalking and stuff, but maybe that's why he didn't do it because he knew he was going to get asked.

5:29 No, this is what Colton would have been like on Watch what happens live. You guys have to remember it's a game and I'm a human and I went through so much bullying and like living for 29 years of my life in the closet where I couldn't even be me and now be out of the closet and I'm just being me and I still can't be me. It's a lot to take on. It'll be a whole thing. A whole thing.

5:51 Yeah. I don't need any more Colton in my life. I'm good. I've got my fill. So, um, so here we are with The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, season 6, episode 18, the finale reunion, part three. Britney has just walked off the stage sobbing in her very theater kid way. She like "Oh I can't believe you'd call me a bigot because I aborted a guy who's a bigot and just to get some free nails."

6:24 I'm not a victim. I'm not kidding. Leave me alone. I'm not a victim. Okay. So, who's who said who's who said that? And Mar's like, "Oh, I did cuz she's playing the victim." But you see, this is how this is how we found her on the plane, you know. So, like when someone is this devastated, it's hard not to have compassion. But then Meredith has a great point. She goes, "Right, and what did I just do? Did I pull her hair, dump wine on her, or did I just call I just called her out for her bad behavior?" She's basically saying, "Yes, I I said I didn't like how she acted and she had a full-on meltdown." So, you can see it doesn't take a lot to push her in that level to that level. So, it wasn't I wasn't having a crazy fit on the airplane to get her to be sobbing like this.

7:12 Yeah. So, then we cut to Britney crying in her dressing room and she's like, "I need a minute." And the hairdresser or whatever. I mean, these poor glam teams, they don't get paid for this. This is like hazard pay. They are not your onset therapist. And the poor glam person has to like sit there and rub her back, you know, be like, "It's okay, Britney. It's okay." And Britney's like, "You're not Jewish, are you?" Okay, keep And then we go back to Andy and he's like, "Well, if she took the post down when she found out." And Heather's like, "Yeah, didn't she make it right, but she didn't take the post down when it came out, which Meredith points out, you know, and she's like, well, she took it down, not when she found out. She questioned it first and was berated by the public for it, and then she took it down. And this is true. There's, you know, there's uh audio of her being like, "Well, I don't know that he did

8:08 this and I need proof." And then if you need proof, go read the other reviews on the page you left the review on. You ding that because there were lots of them. I've read them and you would have known pretty quickly, but it was days. Um, there was arguments. Was it days? Was it weeks? Um, the minimum I've seen, the minimum I've seen from the person who was affect, you know, the guy who was posting about it, the guy who was affected by it was saying 8 days. So, I don't know. But

8:35 I just wanted to respect Hanukkah. I'm not an anti-semite. I lit a candle for every day that I left that post up. Doesn't that count for something? It's the miracle of It's the festival of light of light reviews. So So I am of the tribe, [clears throat] everyone. I'm I'm using my Jewish card. So then um speaking of dingbats, so Heather goes, "Well, you know, we call her a dingbat, but now we're expecting her to have like expert execution." No. Yes. Yes. People I I expect stupid people not to do anti-semitic things or support anti-semites. I do expect that from stupid people. I I expect like base level consideration of other people's, you know, races and religions.

9:26 Yeah, exactly. And it's it's kind of annoying that Heather and all are standing up for this girl and that they have been the whole season when they knew why Meredith was pissed off in the first place and are just acting like this is all in Meredith's head and they're all standing up for it. They're all at fault for this and it makes me crazy to watch them sitting there standing up for it. It's not like Britney, look, I don't think Britney needs to be burned at a stake for Christ's sake. I think she just needs to say what I did was wrong. I should have taken it down earlier and that's it. But instead, she's making it this whole thing. Now, do I think that Meredith should be saying, "Well, she has treated me differently because I'm Jewish ever since I met her." I don't think that that's necessarily fair either. And I think that Meredith is maybe overplaying that hand a little bit. Um, but I do

10:09 think that this was shitty um of of this to do it. Well, I think and basically what Heather is saying is, "Guys, she's an idiot. Do you really think that she like understands how to navigate these sort of situations?" That's what Heather's actually saying here.

10:24 Yeah. She's literally saying she's too stupid to know. Well, you can't get mad at a stupid person. Yeah, but you can't put all your validity in what the stupid person is saying either. You can't Your defense can't be like, "This person is so stupid. She she doesn't know how to do right." But then say she does nothing but right and you're completely wrong in this situation.

10:39 Well, I think your instinct should not be like, "Guys, let's hold some space for the stupid person, okay? She doesn't know any better." I think you're what you're what you should be saying is guys, we need to find a way to like elevate like to to [clears throat] improve our stupid person. Let's see if we can make her a little bit less stupid right now.

10:56 Ignorance is not a recognized disability. Okay. You don't get a handicap spot for it. So, shut the [ __ ] up all of you.

11:03 Only a spot on Bravo. So, Meredith is like, exactly. You get a reunion handicap for it, but not a handicap spot.

11:13 Did you say handicap? No, but that would have been better. Um, so Meredith is like, well, she's she felt like she was under public attack and that's why, not because it was like condemning what she did. And Bra's like, well, I don't I don't think she knew what was going on. I think she actually thinks she's back in Tokyo right now and about to go out on stage as Cinderella, so just give her a little bit of grace. and said, "Well, I mean, we don't know what her intentions were, and I know how she treated me when I confronted her, and I know how she was treating me from the beginning, and I know that I was very nice to her. I mean, at my mitzvah, I threw Angie out for her, and then she completely turned and started lying about me."

12:00 I think those are good points. And it kind of bothers me that Bronwin's like, "Well, I don't think she knew what was going on. She took it down." Oh, really, Bronwin? I thought you were the one who was supposed to like stick up for people, you know, like stick up for the person who's having bigoted [ __ ] thrown against them and not the idiot who was too stupid to take it down before eight days passed. And um I think Meredith's point about um you know like I was nice. I was only one nice to this girl. Like everybody was attacking this girl, calling her names. I got rid of auntie Angie for being mean to her at the bot mitzvah and then she turned around and started being mean to me just to get on the side of the quote unquote popular girls. Uh, and that's not cool either.

12:40 No, I mean that and that's 100% what Britney did, by the way. Britney had that turn on Meredith on the vacation where she started telling people that Meredith was up late at night crying and throwing up. So, uh, Britney, just let's do go to Britney cam. Let's see how she's doing. I'm not this person. I'm not this person.

13:01 Okay. So, she's doing well. And this is also why I can't listen to Britney because she's in there crying going and she's literally saying, "I didn't do anything wrong." That's not the answer. You know, the answer is, "Okay, I did something wrong, but I didn't know it was wrong when I found out it was wrong. Then I took it down." But to sit there and be like, "I didn't do anything." Yes, you did, Britney. You [ __ ]

13:21 It's white lady tears. Yes, it's white lady tears. It it's just like, you know, and that's why you you can't just be like, well, she's too dumb to know any better because she that's how she that's what she relies on. And also,

13:34 yes, when the stakes are much higher than this than this situation, are you really going to be like, well, she was too dumb to know better? No.

13:43 And also, um, you can't, you know, everyone's saying Meredith is overreacting to this thing that Britney did. Meredith is not sitting there sobbing and crying. She got pissed, but she's not sitting there sobbing and being a huge victim about it and blah blah blah. Britney's the one doing it. And Britney, the only thing Britney was accused of was the actual action of bigotry. It's like, you're crying harder than the per than the people. You know what I mean? Like, you're crying harder than the people that were actually victimized in the situation. As usual, as [ __ ]

14:14 As usual. It's like you don't understand how that accusation can affect my life. So, um, Andy, luckily she lives in like she's in Jared Osman land and I'm sure it has zero impact whatsoever. So, Andy is like, "Well, I'm curious what your reaction to all these other women having different experience of what you experienced on the plane than you, Meredith." So, specifically Mary, who sat you down, had a calm, reasonable conversation about with it about you. I mean, about you with it. Oh, god. It's a long reunion. Anyway, the point is, what do you think when Meredith when when Mary said something to you? Meredith's like, "Well, I really didn't understand it. I mean, to be honest, first of all, I didn't know she had a twin sister and there were two of them sitting right in front of me. So, I was like, which one do I look at first and then I just got sleepy and then I turned on Crazy Rich Asians in the bar and I just must have

15:04 fallen asleep before I could get to the ending and hear what Mary had to say about it." So, that's why.

15:09 Do you remember the ending of Crazy Richs? Now I do Andy, she finally gets adopted by a very rich man in all the servants mans in a mansion. That was Annie. Well, okay. Well, I think as we all know him, Crazy Rich Asians, the craziest and the richest of the Asians, finally gets destroyed by Seymour and then he goes off and lives with his lady. But it turns out that the Crazy Rich Asians actually growing in the backyard, so be careful. That was little shuffle for

15:42 I'm just speechless. Everyone's against me. Um, I wish Andy had brought up the fact I mean he's bringing up Mary here. I wish he had brought up the fact that at Bravo Con Mary said pretty clearly that Meredith did not scream and yell and have a fit on the plane that she was just very emotional because that was kind of a turn in this whole story when everything started turning. It's like suddenly we're at Bravo and now everybody's stories are changing. Um, so Mary's like, "Okay,

16:08 say something." I just want to go on the record about something before this entire season is put to bed. Um, everyone

16:17 and not hate everyone hates this storyline about what did Meredith do on the plane. There's no camera footage. It's a It's a she said she said thing. It's gone on and on and on. Can I say an unpopular opinion? I love it. I love it. I I love this controversy cuz I love the visuals of it. I I love all the theories. All the theories are very fun to me. I love that it's Meredith Marks. I love that it's like a big a compelling piece of evidence is Crazy Rich Asians and how much did she watch of it? Was there shaking of the seat? Was there not shaking of the seat? I just I've been invested since day one. And I understand the majority of the audience, if not the whole audience, is sick of it. But I just want to say to anyone else out there who might be in the same shoes as me, I'd love it. I'd love it.

17:07 Well, I mean, it's still Salt Lake City, you know what I mean? And it's still a pretty classic [clears throat] episode because because they've left it up to our imaginations and we know so much about Meredith and how she does act. It's just the scene is amazing. Even though we haven't seen it on film, we all have seen it. And we all know, even the people like me who are defending Meredith, no matter what,

17:30 know what Meredith was doing on that plane and find it hilarious. Like either you find it disgusting or you find it hilarious, but I think we all see it pretty clearly even though we weren't there. And I think that's a testament to this show. And this show has had such a pattern of uh drama wrapped up in airplanes. You know, last last year it was Lisa being stuck in a C 17C, etc. So, it's just it just follows the pattern. And I don't know, this is a mystery. I'm really I really enjoy hearing that that Mary back at Bravo was saying that she didn't yell. Like the the narratives that are shifting, it's just very entertaining to me. There have been there have been a lot of other Bravo shows where there's been a big thing that happened off off camera and did it happen, did it not happen and I find it exhausting, but for whatever reason, this one I just find to be very campy and so it it amuses me. I just I

18:23 just want to put that out there in the world. Yeah. Yeah, I'm with you. I mean, I think this is one of those things where at the end of the season we're all feeling a little frustrated, let down that there's not footage, etc., etc., but I think in a couple of year What' you say?

18:37 Oh, you said frustrated. I thought the word was frustrated. Sorry. Go on. Frustrated. We've all been a little frustrated, but in a couple of years, we're going to look back and be like, "God, they sure don't make them like that anymore." You know,

18:49 and we need to really remember what we have right now and be grateful for it. Mhm.

18:54 So, let's all just take a moment. Let's do that. Not of silence because that's painful. So, Andy is like, "Well, um, okay. I already asked that question." And so Mary is saying, "Well, but do you remember the things that you were saying before we got on the plane because you were mad and so you were fueled and you were angered and you were talking and talking and then Britney comes back out. She's like, "I'm back." And nobody, like literally nobody cares. And of course, she walks on right in the middle of a Mary sentence, which really does not make Mary happy. Mary just looks at her like seriously. So she's like, "It's me and I just want to say Meredith." She's like, "Oh god, what Meredith? I apologize profusely.

19:35 All my teeth forward. I baldled my eyes out. I told you I was sorry. I So shut up. We squashed it back then and we're done. And that's it. And we're moving on now.

19:45 And go. Nothing says I'm sorry for supporting anti-semitism. Then I'm sorry. Shut up.

19:56 But wait, I like this conversation though that we're having with Mary. I thought they were talking about was interesting because it was nailing to the it was nailing Meredith to a cross again. So, we were finally getting somewhere. Yeah, I like that too, Britney. You're just a friend of So, you just sit there quietly. Okay.

20:16 Okay. Wait, question. So, back to where we were. Welcome back, America. So, you admitted that you were confused.

20:25 Um, yeah. Well, I was saying to Meredith, um, like there was lots of things that you were venting and you might have vent to vent to Lisa, but you certainly vented to me, so please don't say you didn't do it. She's like, I didn't say I didn't do it. And that's what's making me crazy about it. Meredith said she was pissed. She said she was bitching about Britney. She said she was demanding the Tik Tok. She said all this stuff. All she's saying is she didn't scream and yell to the point that she would have been kicked off a plane and she wasn't on pills and booze. I believe maybe 60% of that

20:58 was like that's what you say when you stick to a story that you've agreed on. Okay. You say the same story over and over again. Wow. Heather would be one to know that, wouldn't she?

21:08 Exactly. And especially coming from you who can't even do that. Your story has changed multiple times since this whole thing started, ma'am.

21:15 Yeah. Multiple. So Meredith says, "And that's 100% true and what I'm still saying." All right, Meredith, did you have a couple of drinks before the flight? Well, I had one drink in the lounge. Was it a foot long? Yes. Was it actually a two foot long? Yes. Was it a novelty size thing that I had trouble getting through security? Yes. But they filled it up and it was technically just one drink. I had a drink in a lounge called The Yard House. And the drinks are a yard long. That is [clears throat] just how it happened. Um, and also they were drink they were all drinking uh that morning at brunch because they were on the yacht having their final brunch.

21:54 So I'm sure there were mimosas flowing and stuff like that. So people were on us a little last week like how could you not bring up that Meredith completely disregarded the question about did she drink before the plane ride and instead went into this anti-semitism rant. Um, I didn't mean to disregard it. Um, I wasn't like purposely like, "Oh, let's pretend that didn't happen." But to me, they've asked Meredith if she was drinking multiple times. It's been the entire season, and I don't think it's that big big of a gotcha to ask a real housewife if they've had a drink before they went on the plane. Yes. It's like saying, "Is your house is your DNA made up of anything but fillers, alcohol, and a little tobacco?"

22:34 No, it's not. They're housewives. Of course they drink. Yeah. Exactly. Okay. So, you only had one drink. Okay. So, it's just it's confusing to viewers that you can't remember what happened at the end of Crazy Rich Asians.

22:49 They all got therapy. They're no longer crazy. What do you people want from me?

22:55 Well, unfortunately, the craziest one turns out all this time he was a ghost. And the child who saw the dead crazy Asian, he was seeing him as a ghost. And I thought that was a pretty devastating twist. Wasn't even an Asian. It was Bruce Willis. And the craziest part is all those crazy rich Asians got out of that high-rise before the terrorists could get them. Well now you're just actually confusing the Bruce Willis movies that were wrong in the first place. Well, I'm sorry. Well, the truth is I apologize to crazies and Asians. I fell asleep. I fell asleep during the movie. I was watching movies, dozing and dozing.

23:42 It's just how it happens. And Lisa's like, I ate alone. She was asleep. So, I was just eating. It was me. Me like Kit Kat, Crazy Rich Asian, the set. And Meredith is like, yeah. And Lisa also fell asleep. And that is why I climbed over her to go to the restroom. It was very important for me to go to the restroom because I was reminded as I was watching Crazy Rich Asians that everyone was food poisoned from the fish and there was someone named Shirley on this plane who shouldn't be serious. Uh, you actually watched Airplane on the airplane? I don't know what you're talking about. That sounds ridiculous.

24:22 But wait a minute. I have some evidence. The descent would have been the end of the movie, which was the climax of the fight though.

24:32 Why? Why is that true at all? That's not evidence at all. The movie could have started at the beginning of the flight, and the flight could have still had another whole hour to go, Whitney. We don't know the timing of the movie and the flight.

24:44 It's not 1993 when there's a big screen at the front of the cabin. Okay, that you can all start your movies at different times now. But wait,

24:53 but wait. Meredith being so nefarious, she started Crazy Rich Asians just so that way it would end when wheels were down. That's not right. She timed it so well.

25:09 So Mary's like, "Um, well, you were venting a lot, Meredith." And she goes, "Well, I vented. I absolutely vented a little at the beginning and at the end." And Meredith, Meredith says, Mary says, "Well, I don't think you were asleep." She goes, "Oh, well, I Mary Mary, you were asleep. All of you were asleep. You've all testified that you were asleep. So, how do you know? How do you guys know when she was sleeping? What what part of the movie she was on? You're all full of shit." And Meredith is like, "Well, I 100% went to sleep."

25:38 And she went to sleep, Lisa, and that's why I climbed over to get out of the seat. And Lisa's like, "Do you want to know what's something that really bothers me about this whole situation? I was so upset on the boat. I was so I was so UPSET ON THE BOAT. I FELT VERY alone and I wanted to Hold on. Hold on, Eddie. Okay. I wanted to go home. And if I could have swam to shore, I would have gone up to the shore. But you know what? I was I was empathetic to her because it's like what you guys do is wrong. What you do is wrong. It's a very good and inessential point, Lisa, that you were upset on the yacht. has nothing to do with the seat situation.

26:17 Although I will say what you do is wrong. I will say it was a shame that they didn't bring up what happened on the yacht. They really didn't go after Heather for anything. Like what we're going after one lady for for getting drunk and screaming at somebody, but we're not getting mad at the other lady who was the originator of the getting drunk and screaming at somebody and following them around on a boat and accusing them of [ __ ] and being just completely nasty, which was Heather on that boat

26:41 and leaving someone in tears on the dry dock. I'm the naughty boy. I'm the naughty boy.

26:46 So Heather, Lisa says, "I I did nothing to you and I'm falsely accused of stuff all the time. I want to be in the fight." And Heather's like, "No, you weren't falsely accused. I accused you of what I felt is true and I still believe is true. Molly Sorenson style." Lisa is like, "I was falsely accused." Okay. What you feel and the truth are very different things. Well, now I still think it's true. And I still love you because the gaslighting never has to end. And I still want to be your friend, which is astonishing. But you leaked to every single person here. You're like an old house on HGTV. Leak after leak after leak. Someone send in a homely couple to renovate it because all I see is water dripping from the ceiling. And I still love you for it. That's my favorite part of you, but it's my least favorite part of you, Lisa. You're a sociopath. You're a narcissist. You're a horrible human

27:44 being. And I love you, Lisa Bara. What kind of speech is this? I know. She's like holding the she's like holding the boom box above her head outside and then just throwing it at her head. You know what kind of [ __ ] climax is this? And she's like, and the crazy part is I still want to be your friend, which is astonishing cuz she's still trying to get the ride or die point. Like Heather Heather is constantly in pursuit of ride or die credit on this show. Like this is her her damage. Like something in her life has propelled her to be someone that says like despite everything, but I'm still your ride or die. So Lisa's like, "Well, I don't know if I want to be your friend if you think that's true." Which I'm like, "Thank you, Lisa." She's and I've told you on the boat when you said like you've done mean things to all of us. I do think it's true. And you know why I think it's true. And I gave you the receipts and

28:33 the proof and the timeline and the screenshot. Okay, we get it. We get it. And you know exactly why. And we resolved it on the raft and I said I won't bring it up. But if you're going to go there, I'm going to go there.

28:47 Go there, Heather. Then go there. Do you have anything? Do you have any evidence other than screaming and saying what you believe? Such [ __ ] So like, well, I was having a moment.

28:57 Friendship is over. But I love you. And Lisa's like, I was having a moment. I was I you know what? I was having my feelings. Okay. I was sharing my feel my feelings like break me off a piece of that feel bar. But now it's about Heather's feelings. It's about your feelings. Okay. You know what? So, okay. So, let's hear your feelings other cuz I was sharing mine and I won't be vulnerable. Fine. I won't say exactly how I feel, exactly what I mean. Just continue talking, Heather. And Heather's like, "Love you. Love you, Lisa. And Mary's like, "Lisa, you can't cry about the things that you did in the past." And she's like, "I'm not going to take a building FOR [ __ ] [ __ ] I DON'T DO."

29:36 OKAY. She's like, "Relax. Just relax. Relax, David. It's not that serious." No. No. This is the end of the story. I am not going to be saying I did something I didn't do. Enough. Enough. I didn't kill JFK. Okay. JFK blown away. WHAT ELSE DO I HAVE TO SAY?

29:51 LISA, you did it. That's why you're known as Grassy Null. Everybody knows it. She's like, "No, I'm not going to own something I did not do. I'll own it." Okay, you know what? I'll own every single thing I've ever done. I've made a lot of bad decisions in my attempt to be liked, and I have boundaries now, and I love you, but I'm not going to back down on this. The worst thing I ever did was forgiving you for being an emotional terrorist, Lisa. I admit it. I'm guilty.

30:19 I'm not going to own something I didn't do. Okay? And I will not pay a lot for that muffler. Something I did not do is pay a lot for the muffler and I'm done. I'm done. But I empas I emphasize I empathize with Meredith and I literally was like crying so hard by the way. I was like crying so hard. It was like so pretty and like I felt like so alone and so isolated but like very pretty and like that's like what you were doing to her and that's what everyone was doing to her Kit Kat bar. That's not true Lisa. It's not true. I mean it's not true that we were going after you and then we couldn't nail you down. We decided to go after Meredith instead.

30:55 So, what do you think was happening with her? What's happened to me? You iced me out for 2 years. Heather, oh my god, you were an [ __ ] So, she didn't speak to you. I don't understand this whole like you iced me out. You were an [ __ ] You're about to be iced out again for being an [ __ ] And then you're going to wonder why and start crying about it as if you didn't spend the entire year trying to come after her.

31:17 Okay. All right. Stop. I'm not following the thread of this argument anymore because it's supposed to be about Crazy Rich Asians, but for whatever reason, Heather's screaming, or should I say screeching, have to take it from me. I'm the host, screecher. Anyway, Harper from Columbus said, "Whitney, what did you think of Meredith handing out drug tests at the tea party?" Which is a funny thing to say if you really think about it. Despite what she says, she would never take one. Well, okay. Well, I wouldn't take one. I just want for the record I would definitely take a drug test and I'm happy to and I have one here today and if you want me to take it I will take a drug test every single day and by drug tests I mean a martini drugs

32:00 it's like drugs this benzo is a drug test I'm going to test how well I do with it in my system

32:08 how crazy is it that Meredith is carrying around a drug test in her purse like what why why do you have a what are you doing with a drug test in your purse

32:17 She like I would take it every day and I do not do drugs because this story is incredibly damaging to my business. Who wants to buy jewelry from somebody who's on drug? Who wants to go see a DJ show by somebody on drugs? If there's one place that drugs have no no place in being is at a DJ show, okay, I will literally take a drug test every single day. Every single day. If I'm caught on drugs, do you know what that will do to my small jewelry boutique? Do you know what that could do to my board game?

32:56 You know, I Andy, I just wish sometimes I could be the one in Andy's ear to be like, "Go get her, Andy." And just say, "Tell Whitney to take that drug test. Tell Whitney and Heather, who are the biggest Well, I think Whitney is the biggest AC accuser. Make her pop a squat. She brought the drug drug test. Nobody took the drug test. You all should take the drug test. I think if you all, and you know, I would say the same thing at my own intervention. If I had my family all sitting there saying, "Oh, Ronnie, we're so worried about you.

33:25 You just seem so off the rails lately. We you really need to get help." I would say, "Okay, I'll go get help after you all take this [ __ ] drug test, and we'll see what hypocrites you all are." Okay, you Francia soaked accuser.

33:41 Take it. Take it now. take it. So when he uh when he's like, "Andy, Andy, Andy, to answer your question, I thought the drug test was diabolical, but then I thought it was funny." So Andy's like, "All right. Well, um, Potato from is a lovely Starville says Whitney. I

34:12 whatever. Nice. It is a starch. That's a nice Sounds like a nice town. I hear they've got a lovely uh resort community there.

34:20 Unfortunately, you've got to see all the potato eaters in bathing suits. It was built in 1910 as a place for wellness to rid yourself of consumption. Anyway,

34:33 potatoes underrated. Meredith, take it. Take that. Whitney, calling Meredith an addict is a dangerous and damaging label and kind of funny for the audience. Why would you do that? Especially since you dealt with it with your dad. She's like, well, yeah. So, I apologized in Greece and I think it's horrible that I said it and it slipped out of my mouth out of frustration because she was telling me that I was lying about the plane and it was ticking me off and it was it was it was lying. Yeah, but you know the the I hate that I said that she's a pill popper and an alcoholic, but it's only because she called me a liar and that's character assassinating cuz you called me a liar.

35:20 So then I'm going to call you a pill popper and an alcoholic cuz clearly clearly you don't remember the plane even though you're saying that you remembered what happens and it just disagrees with what we said that happened. But my only lived experience of when that happens is when benzo are mixed with alcohol. So do I think you have a problem? No, I just think you mix benzo with alcohol for breakfast in your cereal. How can you say you're sorry for calling her You're sorry for calling her a pill popper or an alcoholic, but you're saying but you mix benzo and alcohol clearly. So

35:51 [ __ ] that's a housewives apology if I've ever heard one. I mean, if anything, that's actually a Meredith Marks thing, right? To be very specific with your language. Like I'm not saying you're an addict. What I'm saying is I've seen you have banzo and alcohol together and what you do with it and this frequency of which you do that is none of my business and I don't know anything about it but I'm just saying that that's what I've seen and everyone else can make an implication on it. So Meredith is like well let me be very clear Karen Huger style. I don't take any pills. I don't have any pills and the only pills I would take if I could take would be benzo and alcohol and I already took them which means I don't have

36:29 apologize for my words please because I'm trying to apologize for my words. Nick you're not you're still you're still insinuating the same [ __ ] You're just wording it differently. And Meredith is like well the one I took in Bermuda. You guys gave me that sleeping pill of some sort and you took one you took one or two and both of you did it. And Heather's like, "Um, what did we give her? Ambient? I mean, what?" Basically like handing a teacher an apple. I mean, come on. Meredith's like, "Well, I don't know because I don't take pills. All I know is I took whatever you gave me." Boom. So, that came from you, drug dealer. Okay.

37:04 Pablo Escobar. Gave you lots of pills in our friendship. Lots and lots of pills. Are you trying to win this argument, Heather?

37:11 Like, I don't know how this is if if your argument is Meredith is addicted to pills. She's out of control. And I gave them all to her. I don't think that's a strong

37:21 What are you accusing me of? I give you pills all the time. There. I own it. You can't get me. I mean, I I've given you Zopran on a yacht when you were nauseous. I've given you This is deflicting. We're deflicting. I'm curious, though. What other pills have I popped in front of you? Huh? And then we see Meredith accusing uh her in a confessional saying, "Well, I mean, most of the women I don't do drugs and I'm really tired of it. and let me start counting the drinks and the multitude of pills in Britney's pill bottle and the pills I've seen Heather and Whitney taking. So stop with your smear campaign or I will start telling So Heather's coming back from this and being like, "Well, I heard what you said in your diary room session that I take pills."

38:01 Oh, great Meredith. Well, I've given you hundreds of pills, so prove that I've taken pills.

38:06 I know, right? It's a strange defense. Well, did I say she bought pills just now? I didn't say that. Yeah, but you said in the confessionals the pills I see Heather and Whitney pop. And Brahma goes, "Yeah, [clears throat] you did talk about the pills that Heather and Whitney take." You did say that. Can we get to my uh scene yet? Okay. It's been a while. Okay. Can we get to me?

38:28 I never said that you popped pills. I never said that. But you did. You You did. And Heather's like, "Well, you said it in the confessional." When he's like, "Yeah, but that would have been a sleeping pill on the plane." Like prescribed. Okay. Well, that's still a pro. Isn't that what you're accusing her of taking prescribed pills? What's the difference?

38:50 I'm sorry. Is Kathy Bates sitting on the sofa because it feels like we are in attendance of Matlock. Wow. They are really putting together a case. So, Heather is like

38:59 too. So, um Heather is like, "Well, those are the pills that you've seen me pop. Are those sleeping pill on the plane?" She's like, "Well, you gave it to me." Well, but we're getting away from the point. You timed Crazy Rich Asians to end exactly as we landed. How did you do that? That was amazing. And well, furthermore, I'm ashamed that I said those words. I was frustrated that you were calling me a liar, so I combed back with that. Okay. And

39:29 I combed back, Whitney. I love Whitney words. My pillow's kicking in, so I really can't really listen anymore.

39:36 I combed back. I'm sorry for my word choice. Yeah, well, you're clearly not good with word choice. All right, well, let's wrap this up. Is there any accountability you want to take, Meredith, for what transpired on the plane ride? Okay. Well, 100% I vented to Lisa and it was inappropriate to vent on a plane and I did not mean to hurt Britney's feelings and I'm sorry that she hurt me and I'm sorry it hurt her feelings. I'm sorry that she has supersonic hearing.

40:09 It's nothing that I would have not said to her fakes and it wasn't nice. Just like everything else the women have said to me were not nice. All right. So, nothing new that you haven't said before. That is absolutely correct. Yes. Okay. Well, there you have it. I'm not a victim, but look, she won't even say I'm sorry to me. Okay. Okay. Britney, anything else you want to say? Well, I want to thank Mary. Mary's like, "Oh, God."

40:34 Differences. [ __ ] off. You just cut that up to Mary's face and she's like, "I never said I was the best mother in the world, but give me some credit for trying." Okay. I do want to thank you for rallying with me and just staying with us in that customs line. And you didn't have to do that. I know you weren't accustomed to that. See, that was a joke. I for kindness.

40:56 Yeah. You really went into pastor mode, Mary. You even tried to take her purse, hit her over the head with it, and told her to buy you more things. And I would I would drink milk from you cuz you were in pasture mode. That's pasteurized. Okay. She's had too much too much time on this sofa. We need to put her to bed.

41:17 That's when you mow a farm. No, Britney. So Andy's like, I want to say one thing. I know I can't help myself, but I know we're almost done. But I think you got on the plane in a really bad place mentally. But you were doing that to me. If you were doing that to me, the air marshall would have been waiting when we landed. But I just saw the shape that Britney was in. So roll your eyes, Meredith, or whatever you want. But the shape she was in was worse than the shape she left the stage in. That is all. And they're like, "Okay." Everybody just looks at her like, "Okay." And then she just gives a self-satisfied like, "Nailed it. Nailed it."

41:59 Was that Angie's way of saying, "I also don't like this [ __ ] but I'll stand up for her." I wasn't I wasn't sure really what Angie was getting at there. And she was basically also saying that like Meredith, if you had done that with me, there would have been a fight. You would have

42:11 because Meredith is saying like, "If I really had acted like that, there would have been an air marshal." And she said, "If you had acted like that with me, I would have called the air marshal and you I would have had your ass thrown in the clink." All right. [screaming] Well, we're back. Whether the Salt Lake women were facing a roller coaster relationship with an Osman, a failed business, empty net syndrome, which of course means that you're sad that you don't see Donna Man off on your TV anymore, or being told that their daughter by their daughter that they are simply too Greek drama brewing at home often cause these housewives to go from gentle to prickly, much like petting a cactus. And if you thought I was teeing up for a video package, no video package, just a very long preamble for no reason. So, Whitney, did you decide to Why did you did you decide to walk away from your company or did it

43:02 run away from you? Horrified. Um, are you still trying to win back ownership or what's happening? Let's let's get some Whitney economics going. She's like, "Well, I fully separated over my company because it was finalized over like summer and unfortunately I had to reby back my inventory. So, I officially own Wild Rose Beauty by myself with lots of expired face cream." Okay. So, they took your company. Then you paid money to get the money the face cream back. That does expire. So now you're going to have to charge like double the prices for something that nobody was buying in the first place.

43:42 What is wrong with Whitney? What What kind of thought process is this to cut the cord, darling? Cut the cord.

43:51 It's a very elaborate question to ask. Um or I should say it's a simple question to ask with a very elaborate multiaceted answer.

44:00 Well, how are you and Justin now? Uh because there's about uh one person in the audience who cares. Well, Justin and I are continuing to work on communication and it's just been hard. You resent him? No, I don't resent him, but it's been hard. I don't know. Maybe it's something you might see next season. Who knows? I would just say that right now, the good thing is um this brought Justin and I to uh we can communicate because it's like raw. We're almost communicating too raw right now. We're like, "Hey, look at that beef."

44:34 And he's like, "Look at that chicken." And we're both like so raw. We're like, "Wow, that's a lot to talk about." You know,

44:40 we need to like cook our communication so it's not raw cuz raw things can make you sick. And I don't like to be sick. But sometimes if you communicate and then you say, "I'm mad at you." Then the other person is allowed to say, "But I'm mad at you, too." And that's what happened. So now I'm in trouble with Justin because he's more mad at me than I'm mad at him. So, it turns into this thing where she's like, "Yeah, I opened the doors of communication, but then once I did that, I found out that I'm kind of an [ __ ] too." And so, Andy's like, "Oh." And Mary's falling asleep.

45:16 And Andy's like, "Uh, Mary, are you asleep?" And she's like, "Um, I I'm just nope. I've just my I'm just my eyes my eyes are my eyes are closed."

45:24 Just pretending I'm the audience right now. That's it. How long are we going to let Whitney talk here? Could you just warn? You know, they put all those trauma things up at the end of the episode. Like, if anyone if you or anyone you know have ever had thoughts of taking your own life, please call this number. They need to put that up for Whitney. Like,

45:42 if you or anyone you know is going to drive a car off the road listening to Whitney tell a story,

45:49 if you or anyone you know was thinking about using three different metaphors in one sentence, when he's like,

45:54 "Well, it's just a raw and we sweep it under the rug, but it's like pulling off a band-aid and you have to open the door to it.

46:01 cuz the cookie crumbles. We put raw meat under our rug. She actually used four. That's pretty funny.

46:08 She does a lot really quickly. Andy's [snorts] like she's like, "Okay, well um Rick from Not Steves says, "Whitney, you said in the past that you faced issues with Justin where you thought your marriage was over. Do you feel like you'll be able to bounce back from this?" Well, I do throw myself on them and I bounce off of them a lot. So, that's pretty fun. But we've bounced back from harder. There was the time I threw I fell on the floor and I bounced and that the floor is pretty hard so I bounce on it. I'm pretty I'm pretty bouncy. So, yeah, I think I'll bounce back. I don't know.

46:45 Well, I'm bored. So, um I'm curious, Meredith. Uh what was your reaction to Seth on NextGen NYC talking about his desire to be sensual? Well, I mean, look, I think it was just meant to be lighthearted and something that was dwelled on for way too long and the audience was getting really annoyed because they don't really care about Seth on that show. But if that's what he wants, then just please let me know. Heather, you seemed excited to become an empty neester. God, Andy, it is the best thing that ever happened to me. God, not having my kids around. Jeez, every day I wake up and I look around, I say, "Kids, they're not there. Thank the Lord, Andy.

47:28 Thank the Lord." God, I hate those kids. God, they call me. I changed my phone number, Andy. Changed my phone number. I took the address out of their phones and erased it from Google Maps. Andy, hate those kids.

47:42 Yeah. You know, and now I can move into a house that has smaller hallways that don't have to accommodate so many balls and chains being dragged through. [gasps] I've even been dating Andy.

47:55 So, um, you want to tell us about that? No. Okay. Well, uh, um, Ocean from Spray. Someone actually named Ocean called in said, "Andy, is Electra interested in pursuing her Greek citizenship yet?" Well, she's not interested yet in pursuing her citiz citizenship, but she is interested in going this summer. It made me really happy because she's gonna be in the Olympics.

48:22 Electra for Team USA. Yeah, but Electra is working on being an Olympian, which I I God, I hope that happens so badly only because NBC will be forced to do a sappy segment on her at some point where it's like she was from Salt Lake City and her mother was a housewife and we'll have Angie K at the Olympics and it'll just be so perfect. Yeah, I heard actually that Britney just showed up on American Idol. her kid, I guess, was auditioning and Britney came in and was like, "Hi, I'm Britney Baitman and this is my daughter." And they were just looking at her like, "Who? Who the [ __ ] are you?" And she went in there like trying to push her weight around like, "It's me, Star Britney Baitman." Like, oh,

49:00 hi Lidal Richie. So, uh, but she brought Olivia to Bravo Con, which I didn't realize. And Andy's asking what Olivia thought. She goes, "Oh, well, she wasn't happy. I mean, well, it was an interesting dance that we played off. You know, you know, you know, she's she needs to feel that she's my number one. And you know, for the first time in six years, you guys, I have both my girls home for Christmas. This Christmas is happening. They're coming home for Christmas. You know, the girls are like, "We were never invited to Christmas. We don't know what you're talking about, mother." [sighs]

49:32 Yeah, exactly. We weren't at your house for Christmas because you changed the code on your door and we couldn't get in, mother. She's like, "They're the most extraordinary people I know, and I can only just take a teeny bit of credit for that, literally. And they're the reason I get up every day in the morning. Um, because I want to know what Jared thinks of my children." And he's like, "Wow, so happy for you. That's great." Why is Britney still on the stage? Can anybody can anybody answer that?

50:01 You're my inspiration. Okay, Britney, that's it. We get it. You like your daughters. All right. Well, baked from Alaska. God, how does ice cream not melt? Says Lisa. It seems like John wants to embarrass you on camera. They the same way that Todd embarrasses Brunwin. What's really going on in your marriage? How did John embarrass Lisa? What the [ __ ] kind of question is that? What did John do?

50:26 I feel like John was just expressing himself. Like, cut to John hearing this question. Be like, that's so true. That's so true, Andy. Um uh

50:34 I think that John is John was just kind of laughing at kind of what a narcissist not listener Lisa is. I mean we've seen scenes of John being like can we talk about and Lisa doesn't even say uh or anything. She just sits there and swipes the phone and bosses him around and doesn't hear a thing she's saying or he's saying. And I think that for the first time Lisa saw how Jon is reacting to her ignoring him on TV. It's the first time she's been exposed to it and so she got hurt. But yeah, I don't remember John ever doing anything mean to Lisa. Do you?

51:04 Yeah. No, I I I got the sense that he was Well, I mean, I agree 100%. I don't think that he was trying to embarrass her, but they were having a frank conversation and he was kind of like smiling and cracking jokes and he he was like, "Well, you don't listen." Whatever whatever he was saying, like she's crying and he's like smiling. And so maybe that's what how it was interpreted for

51:23 I didn't remember that. But um I think he was just finally like, "Yeah, it's time for me to say this on camera." So Le's like, "Um, that was a really long-hearting conversation for both of us. And there are times when I felt completely undervalued, and when I watched it back, I like cried for two days." John's like, and I just laughed. I laughed for two days, man. So much laughter in the household that day.

51:45 I was like, I don't even want to be near you. I don't even want you to talking to me. Could you get my coffee? Thank you. You know, just because I feel hurt. You know what? I need you to pack that suitcase. But you know what? Because like, how does everything get done if I don't listen? Like who does everything in this house? John, are you going to microwave the popcorn or am I going to have to do that? Okay, thank you. You know, how does Henry get everything at school done he needs? Rosalie, did you finish Henry's homework? Okay, put it in his backpack.

52:13 You know what I mean? Like, how does Jack get a care package? How does Jack get a care package? John, you sent the care package, right? So, you know, how do you have all your sheets cleaned and your suits done? John, you don't What do you mean you don't own the suit? John, you get my point, Andy. I'm very hurt. I'm very hurt.

52:32 Yes, that's correct. There is a lot of listening in that household and it's people listening to Lisa saying, "Do this for me." So Andy's like, "Well, all the viewers think you have an issue taking accountability." She goes, "No." Which is not

52:46 productive rumors. That's not and listening. No, I don't. No, I don't. What? What? What are we talking about? What? [gasps] And it seemed like one of the things that he was really trying to express to you is that he feels like you don't take in what he's saying or you don't hear him. Who? What conversation was this? I don't seem to recall. We had a conversation.

53:08 Todd? You mean Todd? I don't talk to Todd. John? John? Who? Could you be more? There are a lot of John. We're We're in Utah.

53:17 Why would I talk to a tractor? John Deere. I don't get it. Ask more. Ask more questions that make sense. Thank you.

53:25 Well, you know what? He did say some things, but you know, I've made very concerted efforts, okay? Cuz listen, we've been together for a very long time. And there's times that I can't finish his sent, you know, I can finish his sentence or finish his thoughts, you know, and he doesn't even have time to finish his sentence, you know, because I finish it for him. And that's what love is, Andy. He doesn't finish his sentence cuz you don't let him. He doesn't finish his sentences because you also start his sentences. I can I love finishing the sentences for him that I start for him, too. and do the middle part as well.

53:56 Heather's like, I mean, doesn't that happen like 90% of the time that you finish the sentences and No, cuz like we're business partners and we're parents together and we're best friends and we're sentence sayers together and we're in love and I think that like bottom line is he knows damn well that I like work I really work hard on listening to him and like I I think for me I just felt like it just felt like really jabby really jabby of him to say that like Jabby the hut. Jaby's a Pizza Hut. I'd love to go. There are space balls. And he knows I work really hard to listen to him. It's so hard. I'm like working really, really, really hard to listen to him.

54:32 See, that already is kind of a bad sign. It's like when he talks, I'm working really hard so I can hear his words. I'm like, you it shouldn't be a hard process to sit and just listen to what someone else says, [gasps] you know? But I told him I would die before I ate Arby's. And [snorts] also, hey, wait a minute. And also, sorry. And also, I would die before I made you look bad by feeding you Arby's. But you [snorts] made me look horrible on things that you know hurt me. Can someone open a window? I got to let this.

55:09 Okay, I'm done. Wait, he hurt you in that scene? You mean the scene where you were crying and visibly devastated after he confronted you? He broke my heart. Well, I mean, it just felt real. I I think you're beating yourself up.

55:25 No, it was real. No, no, no. Wait, Andy. Andy, I'm not beating myself up. I'm not. I'm just saying it just It was like embarrassing and But it wasn't embarrassing, Lisa. It was hilarious. It was a very funny scene for us.

55:40 We love John. We love John. And all of us sided with John. Lisa, why aren't we best friends? Mary's like, "But if your husband tells you you're not a good listener, then that means you're not a good listener." Mary, that's not true. No, no, no, no. I mean, as everyone knows that we can be strong women on the stage, but ultimately what the men say is what matters most. Am I right, everyone? Come on. Come on.

56:03 She's like, "Your husband knows you better than anyone." No, Mary. No, Mary. It's not that. I'm not saying that. Yeah, but I know that's why I can't I can't even try to help you cuz you always shut it off. Yeah. It's not really helpful when you're like, "My husband hurt my feelings when he said this to me." And you're all like, "Yeah, we're on his side." It would have been more productive if Mary said, "We don't want to see you embarrassed by your husband, but we all as a group do feel like you have trouble listening." Like, not say, "Well, he said you don't listen, so he's right. He's your husband."

56:31 Yeah. He's a man, so he's right. She's like, "But I don't need help. That's not the point." And Heather's like, "But you're sobbing and your friend is helping you." No, I don't need help. I'm telling you my feelings. I don't need help. I'm trying to express my feelings. I don't need help with my feelings. And Mary's like, "Then what are we even talking about?" She's literally just talking about her feelings. You all don't have to have [ __ ] opinions on John being right for crying out loud.

56:54 No, we do. We do. We're just trying to be here for you, Lisa, just to embarrass you a little bit more.

57:01 We're just trying to be here for you, Lisa, by telling you that we are all siding with John. So Angie basically is like, "Look, this is your real life and this was real and we're on a reality show and these are hard-hitting things." Like, she's basically saying, "Don't be embarrassed by this. It's actually was a really good scene cuz it was real and and everyone connected to it and it was a compelling moment for you." You had like a good It was actually a good scene for you. No, no, I'm done. It's I don't want to be compelling. I don't like it. Ah, [groaning] but it is real and it makes everyone feel validated because we have all those moments. Although we tend to listen in those moments, not like you. It's like, h, well, it's falling on deaf ears. It's falling on deaf ears. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear it. So, they're like, okay, well, thanks for being vulnerable.

57:47 Well, yeah. So, then Aby's like, "Okay, well, let's talk about Brunwin. Let's get to the Bronwin part. We've waited three hours for Bronwin to say she's leaving, Todd. Don't know if you saw in the commercials that we've been showing for months, but it's going to be a huge surprise." So, you want to talk about that, Brainwin? What do you got to say? So, I'm sorry to hear about your dad's passing. How are you and your family? And she talks about that, which is sad. And um she he asked how the mom is at Muzzy.

58:13 And I just want to say I just want to say also that as he cues up the Muzzy segment, he Andy goes, "And Brahman's issues with Todd, those were just the cherry on top." And Brahman goes, "Oh, some rough puns there for me. You had to go there with a cherry. You had to do that.

58:34 So, um, she's talking about her mom dealing with her dad's, uh, Alzheimer's and stuff and how she was kind of in denial and that they had to sit her down and say, "No, this is happening and you need to accept it." And Andy is cong, you know, not congratulating her, but giving her credit for sharing a lot of personal stuff this season. I want to star with Muzzy. What is up with those eyebrows?

58:57 [gasps] Well, you know, she's still my mother and I try to help her, but um then my gays did tell me, "Let her keep her eyebrows. This is a show primarily for the gays and it's going to play well to the audience." So, I did and uh now everyone answer for it.

59:12 Well, the uh you know, your mother is pretty tough on you and in turn the audience was pretty tough on her. So, what do you feel?

59:20 Yeah, they were really mean to her, Andy. you know, um the first episode that she was on, like a you know, a smaller conversation and she came to me really upset like this is how I speak to you. I mean, do you feel this way? Do I come across stern? You know, Andy, like she knows she's stern, but I don't think she realized how stern. And um, you know, putting her on TV really showed her that. So, thank you, TV. And I think that she took the feedback as like a good thing that we could talk about. But by the time the second conversation came out, I mean, really hard things were being said about her, Andy. Really hard things. I mean, memes were being made, Andy. Eyebrow memes and jokes at her expense were being made. And she's still my mom, Andy. And I think she felt like the whole world was turning on her. And I think she blames me a little bit for that.

59:57 And I'm not saying I did it to get finally get revenge for all those years of misery I went through with her. And I'm not saying that it was nice to have people on my side against my mother for once, but she's still my mom. And um I feel really bad about that, you know. And Andy goes, "Oh god, I'm so sorry. That is so rough." Andyy's saying this as if he has not seen this situation play out with like dozens of motheraughter combos on this show for 20 years.

1:00:25 Yeah. Oh, really? Did this show fracture an important relationship in your life? That is so hard to hear.

1:00:32 Yeah. And Mary says, "Well, uh, she was really nice and acceptive in the last episodes." And Braum was like, "Well, that's the thing. I mean, people just aren't onedimensional. You know, there's just something about our personalities that's really tricky. And we, you know, we push and we pull and we, you know, we some push and pull with each other, it's push and pull with each other, you know, but she p she pushes. I want to push her down the stairs and but I pull her back up because she's my mother, Andy, and that's what we do. [snorts] Wait a second. Ex Mormon in a cape here. Is the push and pull because of your lifestyle?

1:01:04 Because you're not Mormon. Would you say that this goes into your experience in surviving Mormonism?

1:01:12 Do you think your mother is upset with you because you're a bad Mormon? Available now on Kindle or Audible. Speak it, sister. So, I think

1:01:23 I love Heather getting in plugs in the middle of Brunwood's sobbing. Yeah. She's basically like drawing it all to Mormonism, which is not not necessarily wrong, but it's just hilarious that she's like, "This seems like a good opportunity to reassert the fact that Mormonism ruins everything."

1:01:38 So, and I'm selling it all over the place. But basically, Brahman's like, "Yeah, it did kind of feel like she was, you know, she basically says, "I love my mother. We have a good relationship now." But on TV, it felt like she was kind of signaling to the audience, the fellow Mormons in the audience, like, "This wasn't my fault. I was doing all the right things. She's the one who [ __ ] up." Right? Yeah, she's, you know, she's saying, "Yeah, those are our values and you went against our values." And Heather's like, "Well, is it allegiance to principles of the church or allegiance to her daughter?" Heather, just let her have her own [ __ ] segment. Can you let anybody just have their own segment?

1:02:12 It's not [ __ ] about you, bro. So, she's like, "But I mean, even, you know, like about me, it was about pointing out to the whole world that she never agreed with this and she she'd never done that before." And Heather's like, "Yep, see it all the time." Chapters 3 9 12. I mean, basically all the odd numbers.

1:02:29 Heather pulls off some sunglasses like David Caruso. Looks like we've got a case of Mormon trauma. Who are you? Mormon. Mormon. Sign this release, please. Um, so Andy's like, well, um, you and you said Todd stepped up and helped support your parents financially, and what did that entail exactly? What do you think it entailed? Paying for them. like

1:02:59 buying them hookers and blow Andy. That's what it entails. Well, they had to increase their fig Newton budget. I mean, of course, like what?

1:03:08 But this is just an opportunity to uh paint Todd as a sympathetic figure for a moment. So, he and he sounds like he was doing all the right things, you know, he paid for hospitals, he helped move in Muzzy, the dad, memory care, all that stuff. It was it was very lovely. And he stepped up and did all sorts of things. And in in Greece, we all saw that he was helping Muzzy with a move and all that stuff. And then Andy is like, "Well, maybe that was a side of Todd that none of us had really seen before. Maybe Todd is actually kind of a good guy, right?"

1:03:40 And Brahman's like, "Um, this has been nice, but before you try to paint Todd as a hero, can we just um can we just get to the question? Like I have a big announcement to make and we're taking a long time to get to it. I'm getting kind of impatient. Can you just ask a different question about Todd? Thanks so much.

1:03:55 This is funny. This was funny cuz he was painting him to be too nice and so she stopped him and was like, "Um, do you have any more questions about Todd? Can we move on to those? That would be great. This is whole Todd as a hero thing is really getting old, so that would be good." I have long hair now, so we can move on. Thank you.

1:04:12 Like, okay, I guess I'll move on to the next Todd section. Do I do have more questions? and she goes, "Well, do you want to start with where we are now, or do you want me to start with where we were on the show and work our way forward because I can do this however you want. I've been waiting 18 hours to get this out during shooting." So, it would be great if I could just get my victim storyline out right now. Thank you. We're still on a muzzy wave. Okay. I love her actively producing Andy. Okay. Well, uh, I want you to tell me where what do you want to tell me?

1:04:41 And she goes, "Well, I don't really know what to say." Hey. Well, that's funny that you say that cuz you just told me what

1:04:47 you just kind of you [clears throat] sort of steered the ship over here and now you're acting like you

1:04:52 you're on a train. I mean, [snorts] make up your mind, but you're teeing yourself up and then you're like, "No, I can't do it." Oh, for Christ's sake.

1:05:01 Sorry. I thought you'd help me transition out of producer mode into um uh into first chair mode here a little bit. Okay, so Todd and I are separated. Oh, sorry. his choice. Did you not accept his berther's original? No. No. It was It was my choice. Oh, well, what would be the thing that made you say enough is enough? I mean, have you seen Todd? I mean, how many FAS can you really take? You know, Lisa, how many nights am I going to try and make out with Walter Matau, Andy? You know

1:05:36 I mean, it's a lot. Mhm. It's it's a lot to take on. And so this year was hard for me and I watched myself in some of those conversations and saying things that I don't think I meant that gets a doubleh and

1:05:52 when I was like if you wanted to be open of course I try but I I didn't I don't know if I was really up for that. And I was like it's something that I wanted to be up for but I don't know if it was up for that. And I don't know I talked to Whitney and it was just a good conversation. I thought to myself wow am I really in the place where I'm confining things to Whitney of all people? I mean look at her over there. She's she's staring at the lights up on above our stage. She's She's totally lost and this is my confidant. I can't live like this anymore. Andy,

1:06:14 how come I seeing that? See, see, I was just like, he was like, "You shouldn't be talking to anybody about this, especially not that ding-dong over there." I thought he's right. Something's got to change.

1:06:28 Um, so Heather's just like, "O, do you think this was to do with Mormonism?" Well, you know, I just, you know, things are harder for me and we're at a place where it's not just me forgiving him or understanding him or trying to move forward. I mean, he's now saying that he doesn't want to talk about it and I can't talk to my friends and I can't share I can't share with the public, you know, like I started to feel isolated around the choices that he was making. I mean, I can't go talk about what a slime ballot is on national TV and then what am I even doing in this marriage? Andy,

1:06:56 did he want him did he want you to quit the show and join the Mormon Tabernacle Choir? He wants you wanted that for you, right?

1:07:03 He never said that, but I feel like if I had kept doing the show, then the spotlight on the cracks in our marriage was just going to continue to be magnified. And if I can't talk to him, if I can't talk about that to him or to anybody else, I was like, well, I just have to deal with it. And when we're not moving forward anymore, we weren't a team anymore, except for the fact that he took care of my parents while they were both sick and um [snorts] did this all while I was out of town. And uh you know, it was just like PR. I was just PR for him. I was just PR for him. It no longer felt respectable.

1:07:33 Got one. No, no, not no. Not not Puerto Rico. But that's but in some ways maybe yes. That was sort of like a vacation destination and just didn't feel didn't feel respectful and just really hard to separate that interaction with the Todd this year from the Todd I've known for a decade. And I think that while we were filming I was I don't know. It's like this is like a dance and I've danced maybe too many times and dance with the stars. Call me. I'm available. and how I how I show up to rally around the choices that Todd makes on behalf of Todd is, you know, not behalf of myself.

1:08:03 I don't know. Just it's just she's just very delicately trying to be like he's not supporting me on this show and I don't like it.

1:08:09 Well, yeah, she's I think yeah, she's pretty clearly saying like I'm on this show. I'm bringing all of our issues to light on the show and he doesn't want to talk about that [ __ ] on the show and he was getting pissed off because I'm constantly throwing him under the bus on the show. It's like and from what we saw with Todd, you know, like I'm I'm no fan of Bronwin, but listen, I would leave if I was in that marriage and if the marriage is really like that all the time. I mean, there's, you know, two schools of thought, right? Like, is it always like that? Is Todd just like completely dismissive or is Todd like that because he's asked not to talk about this [ __ ] on camera and the second the cameras are going, she's like, "So, Todd, let's talk about the the pictures on your phone or whatever." So, is it like that he feels like he's getting thrown under the bus? whatever it is, he does not want to talk about it on

1:08:55 camera. And if she's going to do this show, then she's going to have to talk about it on. And some of them don't. Some of them just leave their relationship off the show. But she's like, "No, I'm bringing this on the show. He doesn't want to talk about it." So, well, she also said that like, you know, I showed up for him when he had issues in his life and I was kind of like PR for him and he doesn't do the same for me. meaning that like when he cheated or this or that, whatever this situation was, she still went around saying Todd's a great guy and went to work dinners or whatever it was and said everything is fine and didn't, you know, didn't protect and she protected him.

1:09:29 But now when like she's doing her thing, he's like, I don't want to be part of that. And she's like, no, you got like you got to you got to show up for me now. But uh but yeah, this was we all knew this was just not going to work out cuz she's thriving. We knew from the beginning, you know, this was one of those I think everybody from the beginning was like, "Oh, this is one of the people who's going to come onto the show to make her own thing happen to leave her husband." I mean, I think we all saw it pretty clearly. You know, Todd, I think, is Todd has looked like a jerk a lot on the show and especially with the, you know, the stuff that that has been brought up about him, like looking at ladies lingerie on the plane.

1:10:04 Do I think men do that? Yeah, of course. But still not a great look. Um, then the stuff about the affair. Was there an affair? Wasn't there a fair? We don't know because it was just so brainwinized last year that we can't we our brains were bubbled by the end and we don't really know what happened with that. But then there's the other side of Todd that's like raised her kid and like helped her family and like supported her family when they're sick. And it I'm not saying that money replaces all of that. And I don't think it should, but it seemed like it was more than money. like when he was dropping everything to go move the dad and help the mom and do and move the mom from the house and stuff. So, I don't know. There's part of me that kind of feels for Todd. Um, but also it's where the rest of this keeps going that I'm like, am I feeling for Todd?

1:10:51 It doesn't mean I'm anti Bramwin in the whole thing in this situ particular situation. But I did kind of feel for Todd. Did you?

1:10:58 Uh, no. I don't feel for Todd. He cheated on her. he cheated on her and uh they knew what they were getting into. They're intelligent people and um if this was something you were going to be uncomfortable with, you just have to I don't know. I just

1:11:12 Yeah. I don't know. My whole thing was has always been the whole season and even last season, like leave him. Like I feel like if you're not happy in your relationship, then you should leave. And and a lot of the behavior we saw from Todd, I was like, just [ __ ] leave that guy. I mean, I've said it a million times. I guess I just kind of felt bad for him in this just because of all the stuff with her parents. Like that's all mixed in and his help with that and then the stuffs that she says next. I was like,

1:11:34 but also like it's it's really lovely that he did that for the parents, but also like that's what you should do anyway. Like that's it's like congratulations, you did not do

1:11:44 not everybody is going to show up for your parents like that and like ride for them and help them and move them and move them into your house and get them, you know, all the specialized care. I mean, not everyone's going to do that, you know,

1:11:54 but it doesn't mean I have to feel bad for him. I think that's very nice. No, you don't have to. I'm just asking.

1:11:58 I think that's very nice. But don't forget, this is a man who shook my brother's seat on a on a Delta flight recently. He attacked my family.

1:12:07 He attacked That's true. [ __ ] Todd. Down with Todd. Never mind. I erase everything I just said on everything.

1:12:12 He was the He Meredith Marks, my brother, as Britney. Um, so anyway, Bronwin is basically saying it was like the worst thing was being like, "Yeah, you have to go." And then there's this whole crazy story that Todd like he they were living separate separately and he went and he watched all of the show. He started season one and he binged the show and he called her up and said, "Well, Braraw, Meredith Marks is an icon. I get it now. Icon mother." Auntie Kay's husband is like, "RIGHT, ICON. ASK HER if she'll sign my poster."

1:12:51 So, yeah. Apparently, this is where I was like, this is where I kind of felt bad because I guess Todd was like, "All right, this is your own thing. I don't want to be involved in this [ __ ] but if you want to do this housewives thing, fine. Just leave me out of it." And then she does it and he doesn't watch it cuz he's like, "It's a bunch of [ __ ] I'm not getting involved in that." And then he doesn't realize how she's how he's come off in it and how she's been talking about him in it and watched it all and was horrified and calls her sobbing apparently. And um then he went and mainlined Reddit which is

1:13:24 Don't do that. When you're feeling low, Reddit is a dangerous place to go to. Yeah.

1:13:30 So he went and read about himself on the Reddit and apparently called her sobbing about it and uh Yikes. Yeah that's

1:13:39 so that's when I felt a little bad. I do feel bad. That's that's getting dragged on Reddit is

1:13:46 I've been on there. Not so I was like that's me. That was probably me. I know. By the way, did you did you feel at some point that they were like Todd listen to watch what crapins? I was like,

1:13:57 well, you know, just like someone it's I'm sure it's hard enough being on these shows, taking it, you know, all the hatred that you get from being on these shows, but having no idea that it's even out there and then just getting it all in. It's like two years of just like this this man is a piece of [ __ ] you know?

1:14:13 But also like that speaks to his ear. I'm sorry. Like I'm sorry. There there's something like the fact that he like didn't even watch the show or didn't do his homework or just wasn't paying attention. Like I I respect that there's a mindset that says I'm going to stay in my bubble. I don't care what people have to say about me. I don't care what people on the internet have to say about me or whatever. Fine. That's that's okay. But sometimes there's an element of like this silly show that my wife is on, this trifle, this whatever, who cares? And it's like no, the like it's a it's a legit thing. And it's like, wow, people watch this show. People have thoughts on me. I'm like, yeah, bro.

1:14:52 This isn't some, you know, rinky dink, you know, community production of Guys and Dolls, you know.

1:14:58 I mean, although it is Salt Lake City, so it kind of is, but I get what you're saying.

1:15:02 I suppose if you if you wanted to join that, he's like, "Yeah, your point. Todd, so Bronwin's living in Utah. Todd's in New York. They're living separately. and um she's not going to see him while she's in New York. I was like, "Wow, that's rough." And Andy

1:15:19 and she's rumored to be dating some hottie. She's she's appeared in some pictures with some hottie. So, yeah, good for her. Queen.

1:15:25 So, um Whitney is crying. You know, they keep cutting to Whitney being like, so they're finally Andy's like, "Okay, Whitney, you're apparently need some attention. So, you're emotional hearing Brun's story. what are you thinking? Even though I've already asked you about your own marriage and you answered like a dingbat, so go ahead. And she's like, well, I just relate so much to Bronin and it's so hard cuz I like I'm going through something hard myself. And Bronwood says, I know, but the way she looks at Whitney was so funny. She's like really [ __ ]

1:15:57 She's like, this is my scene. I have not spoken for two hours. You just tried this in Meredith's scene and Whitney's like just I'm on the reverse. I'm on the reverse side of Brunwin. Like, no, you're not. I'm looking right at you. No, no. Metaphorically, I'm the one that feels like I always [ __ ] up. So that's why I'm so emotional because I'm like leading because Justin's like the most incredible husband and like he he puts chocolate syrup on his body for me and he's the most amazing man and I'm the one [ __ ] it up. I'm the one who's always getting him fired from his no job. And Whitney's like, "I make it this hard. It's hard and unless you're in it, you don't know. It's hard to understand.

1:16:35 Can I have a minute? I got to come in." So Whitney goes off crying. Whitney the only person to walk off during someone else's segment. I can't. So she goes off and she goes to talk to Justin and she's like, "Ramen just told us that her and Todd are separated and it just triggered me and I don't know. It's everything we're going through. I felt so bad. I tried to keep it together." And he's like, "You're strong, babe. You've got this. We're good. You know we're good, right? Stare into my teeth and repeat after me. We're good. We'll figure it out when we go to Sturgis this summer. So then, um, back on the stage, Andy's like, "Well, I don't know what that was about. I wasn't really listening." So, you know, um, there's a there's a lot of love between you and Todd, right? She's like, "And a lot of farts." And I adore him, but I'm and I'm worried about him. I mean, the worst thing for Todd is, you know, when

1:17:26 he's watching the show, he's like, "Do you ever feel like I never look at you when I talk to you? When when you talk to me?" and and he said, "Do you feel like me taking the cherry was this huge thing?" I mean, he was generally confused by it. And Heather goes, "Yes, taking the cherry was a huge thing. That's a massive sign in Mormonism. You have 5 seconds before this whole place explodes. Get out." Well, he thinks that we have this history where he's shown up for me and loved me and been my friend and been my supporter. And so, who cares if he ate a cherry? Like, who cares if he didn't look me in the eye in that one conversation? Unless he got

1:18:01 Yeah. I mean, it sounds like a normal guy. Sounds like a normal guy to me. Everyone else is like, "That's such a He took the cherry. That's a big deal." Cuz we all were like, "How dare Todd take that cherry?" But Lisa is like, I mean, like, that's normal guy. Like, that's what guys do. It's just like when you're like the cheerleader and he's the quarterback and they take your cherry and you're like, "Oh my god, that's so funny. Oh my god." And that sounded so much dirtier than I meant it. Wow. Mir's like "Well I'm

1:18:23 Heather got her cherry taken by like 20 guys in college. Good time, girl." Mirror's like, "I loved it. I love that he took the the cherry. I thought it was cute. And then right afterwards, she was like, "Don't touch the cherry." That was my favorite part because the man got to do what the man wanted to do. It was so adorable. Well, Mary, Mary, I didn't think that was very cute. And Heather's like, "I didn't think he did it to be funny. He did it to steal your soul like Mormonism." Mary's like, "Well, I don't think he'd meant any harm." Meredith's like, "Well, I mean, maybe if they were in a healthy place, it would have been a light joke, but they were. And stealing someone's cherry is a big deal. how crazy Rich Asian sent not well the people stealing cherries and he was like well if I asked you if you felt that that that the show broke you up you would say well I'm contractually obligated to say the

1:19:15 show did not break us up um we were going in different paths and it put a spotlight on it and um it just accelerated it just sort of the way um the farts were accelerating in frequency from Todd's Bud.

1:19:30 I'm back. Oh god. Whitney, are you okay? Yeah, I'm just relating to Bronnin still cuz I know how hard it is to fight for something that you love so much. Okay, it's still not your turn. Just sit down. Okay, so Brunin, in your best universe, would your future involve Todd? And she's like, um, I don't know. I don't know what to say, Andy. I just think we got to see what happens from here. Mhm.

1:19:52 Well, take your time. Take your time. Tom. All right, Meredith is on a benzo again. Well, thank you for sharing tonight and uh and you know with a lot of strength and it's it's going to work out. It's it's going to work out. I don't think so. Uh I told Todd that my phone has a map feature and he said, "You're lying to me. No phone is capable of that." And I said, "Todd, there's a whole world outside of Palm Pilot." And he said, "Stop saying those things." And he cried and he stole a cherry from me that I didn't even realize I had on me.

1:20:26 Then he turned his hand into a the shape of an airplane and started flying away. He's a pawn pilot. It was terrible. And Heather goes, "Good job. You did such a good job." Bad Mormon out now. Parts one, two, and seven. So we go to commercial and when we come back, um, Andy's like, "Okay, before I get to questions about Greece, Meredith and Heather, where do you two stand today? I want to hear Meredith and Heather yell at each other more." Oh, for Christ's sake.

1:20:54 They're sitting All right, you don't have to interject. And Heather goes, "Yeah, I mean, uh, we're not friends, so um, you know, we'll see how that plays out next season."

1:21:03 This reminds me of me and Justin. I need a moment. All right, she's gone. Well, I mean, Heather's told me three times this reunion, so I guess we're not friends. I mean, I'm hoping for resolve, and I don't think there can be any resolve without an apology or just a level of accountability that we've all had to take. the kind of accountability you take when you leave Mormonism.

1:21:26 Well, exactly. And I'd be happy to talk to you about that you lied or liar comment or whatever. She Well, it was you lied. That was the comment. And you just pointed at me and you said that I lied and I didn't lie. Well, yeah, I did do that and I'm sorry I did that. It wasn't actually intended to be at you and that's why I stumbled with it for so long. So what actually Meredith is talking about is at the their like their tea party thing, the spilling the tea party that we see a flashback where Andy where Meredith was pointed at Heather and at like Britney or Whitney and said you are but then later she was like no I am sorry Heather I didn't mean to point at you. I was my vision's a little blurry today. I'm see a lot of things. I meant to point at Britney and she was the liar there. I take it back. But I don't think this is Meredith being truthful because she did mean Heather because Heather and Whitney

1:22:20 were saying she was screaming and yelling on the plane and she said she wasn't screaming and yelling on the plane so she called them liars. Right.

1:22:26 Mhm. And they call her out too. They're like you did point. They're like, "Didn't you point at three people?" And she's like, "No, I pointed at two people." They're like, "No, it was three."

1:22:35 Well, there were six people there to be fair. Um, so she's like, "Well, I meant to say Whitney and Britney." Well, but why didn't you in the moment correct the fact that you were pointing at the wrong person? Well, I tried. I did try to. And then we see a clip of her doing something I don't remember. And um

1:22:54 she she like talked it back. We see that she talked back like, "Oh, I didn't mean you, Heather. I meant Britney or whatever."

1:23:01 Yeah. And so um he says, "Well, it sounds like you pointed three times." And Britney goes, "She did." And she goes, "Well, because Britney said it." Well, she's not a very reliable source. Well, actually, production just told me in my ear, "Oh, they did." Well, I don't recollect pointing three times, but I didn't mean to point at Heather, and that's the bottom line. So, you believe I'm a liar like Mormons? Well, no, I did point at you and I did say it, but you don't believe that about me? Well, I didn't at the time, but I don't know. I have some question marks on some things. I'll be totally honest.

1:23:33 And there's some trust that it has to be rebuilt on both sides. She's like, "Oh, amen, girl. Amen." All right, Britney, why were you so offended when Meredith was talking to her son on Mother's Day? Well, I mean, I just thought it was rude. I mean, we all we all were desperate to talk to our kids. It was right in the middle and, you know, she was in the hot seat and something that if I had done, I would have been destroyed. Destroyed by everyone. Since when would anybody be destroyed for their child calling them on Mother's Day? So bizarre. And Mary's like, "Well, did your daughters call you?" And Andy's like, "Well, was it a big problem for I like that there is no answer." And Andy's like, "Was it a big problem for everybody else or just Britney?" Not me.

1:24:15 I mean, I don't care. Well, I was irritated by it because we were all there on Mother's Day. It's like when I heard you were kind of losing it over not talking to Brooks. I mean, I was there on Mother's Day. I wasn't talking to my daughter either. And she's got a bob. She's got a bob. So

1:24:28 that's that's not why I was losing it because you actually tried to put a bob on Brooksie and he's just a toddler. He's not ready for his bob.

1:24:36 Well, you know what? It's another issue and we're not going to go anywhere cuz Andy's like, "Well, why were you losing it though?" And she said, "It's another issue." And Braum was like, "Well, no, tell me. I mean, if you I don't understand. I mean, tell me, well, you were mad at production. Just say you were mad at production." And Meredith just goes, she has a shrug nod. We're like, "Well, okay. Well, you want to say I'm mad at production. you're the one who said it. I did not say that.

1:24:59 You know, it's not going to go well. You know, and when he's like, "Well, I actually have a big problem with this cuz all day I've heard you throw production under the bus." And we see a flashback of uh Meredith saying that she was like set up and and this there was a whole thing that got edited out, you know, that's what she said. And so Meredith is like, "Well, what do you want me to do? I'm telling the truth and they impacted my behavior." And Mary's like, "It's not production, Meredith. It's not production. Everyone on this couch, there's a second half to why we were recognized in US Weekly. Well, everyone but Britney. And there's an entire team behind the scenes. They're our other half. Yay for production.

1:25:40 I love that they act like US Weekly is the preeminent literary source in America.

1:25:46 We were recognized by US Weekly because of the heroes behind the camera. They fight for our country. They feed our children. They put water in rivers. Why are we acting like production is this innocent group of people who never [ __ ] you guys over? Are you [ __ ] kidding me? I love that they're acting like, "Oh my god, production? Oh, who only has our best interests at heart? Really? Then why did they fire half your production team after this season was over?" Cuz they did. You know that, right? Yes. They fired Lorie Gordon.

1:26:20 They fired a bunch of people. They're like they're like, "Yeah, they're making a lot of changes over there." So, if production was so great, then why' they all get fired, everybody? But this is clearly Whitney stumping for another season, you know?

1:26:34 Yeah. And Meredith is like, "Well, I completely agree, but I can't lie about what I'm upset about and say it was the phone call when it wasn't." Well, I've been hearing you all day under your breath throwing production under the bus. You're a liar, m liar. Liar. You're lying. Call me a liar all you want, but you're lying. And I'm so sick of you throwing your throwing our team under the bus. Cuz I've opened up our life because of our team. And for you to sit here and throw them under the bus when I am here perhaps to be back next season, maybe. I don't know. Cuz I love production. I don't know. And Mary's crying. And Andy's like, why are you crying? Cuz I don't like that you would talk about production that way.

1:27:14 What are you guys doing? And Britney's like, I don't like it either. And I've said something too about it. Okay, but so far we know that something happened that Meredith was really upset about that wasn't talked about on the show and she had to make it about Brooks. And we also know that this whole thing with Britney that happened during the season was cut and so you Meredith had to be pretending to be mad about something else. So production is obviously steering things and trying to cut things and they're also making her look crazy for things that might have looked a little bit more legitimate had she been able to vocalize them on the show. So, I don't know. And also, how is she th Yeah, it's it's a whole it's another Salt Lake City thing where we don't really get any answers, but the whole thing is a little weird.

1:27:58 Then Whitney goes, "When we're at work, it's expected that we're not on our phones. We're engaged in the conversations." I'm like, "The most iconic moments from the show have happened when people have been on their phones. Lisa Barlo, get my nine lers on the phone. I want to go the distance." You know? Yeah.

1:28:13 So Andy is like, "Well, what set you off about being about being on on her phone?" Well, because she was getting out of being in the hot seat. And so they're mad that I mean, it seemed pretty obvious to us that she did have a very convenient phone call with Brooks in the middle of a fight. Like, well, so I couldn't pick it back up and 3 to 5 minutes after I was done talking to my toddler and hearing how he was doing with the alphabet. No, because then you victimize yourself and make us feel bad. Like, how are we going to bring it back up when Meredith is sad? That's what you do.

1:28:46 Well, I couldn't have been sad if I just sat and talked to my son, maybe. Well, there's always some big grand thing that happens. And then we can't bring it up. Meredith, Meredith, what was your reaction when you saw Whitney, Mary, and Bronnin express their concerns about your mood swings? Um, anyone who doesn't remember, this is when they went to lunch in Greece and suggested they're all terribly worried about Meredith for not remembering what happened on the plane, suggesting that it's got to be some kind of substance abuse problem, no matter how they try and make it sound today.

1:29:18 Yeah. Meredith says that, you know, she was sad that they felt concerned, um, but there was no truth to it. And Andy is like, "Well, Whitney, you apologized to Meredith for accusing her of abusing substances, but you later doubled down as your own experience with your dad as it related to these things. So why did you apologize if you didn't mean it?" No, I apologize for labeling her that, but I don't apologize for insinuating her as that liaholic. Lie popper. And Brain's like, "Well, none of us were saying that you're an addict. you have mental health strug struggles that you have you're cheating in your marriage.

1:29:55 We were just leading the audience there and they could just go the rest of the way and that's it. But we were watching

1:30:01 this is what makes me crazy about the Of course you were. You guys are such gaslighters. Just admit what you were doing. You were completely insinuating that and you've done it the whole season. And Andy's like, "Well, how do you think it came off on camera?" And Meredith is like, "Well, they were making accusations." And Merida Mary's like, "No, I I wasn't. I was just comparing you to my son who is an addict and saying it's the same thing and that's why I'm worried for you. Brmond's like, "Well, I said very clearly that this is how I handle it and this is how I feel that you know what if you're an addict. I don't I didn't say you were an addict." It's like, "Well, we don't do things. We're all different people." Okay? I'm going to tell all 13 of you right here and right now.

1:30:46 I cannot walk a straight line. It's a It's a big group of people that I'm seeing in front of me. Roman

1:30:51 CX Y W B Are you saying the alphabet backwards? Yes. I made it to A. Thank you.

1:31:00 Thank you. Ramen's like, "Well, all all we said is we're concerned about you and I I didn't make a single accusation. I spoke from my own experience." Honestly, what they really have to say is, "Look, we're not saying you're any of these things, but we're also saying that we have had experience with people who have acted in similar ways, and we want to make sure that you're since your behavior reminds us of that, we want to make sure that you're not going through something like that. We want to double check cuz we've all

1:31:26 Yeah, like have the say it with your whole chest. I mean, you guys have been insinuate at least Whitney did earlier kind of in her half-ass apology, but at least Whitney's done it. But I mean, the rest of you, if you're going to make the if you're going to go on camera and make these accusations, and stand by them and say, "I said that you're a pill pop. I think I'm worried about you because you do seem like you're abusing drugs and alcohol, and if you say you're not, then fine. But that's what it looks like to me." Yeah.

1:31:49 But this whole like I've seen it in my life, it looked like this. So, I'm seeing it in you. I don't know whether you are or not, but I have to check in because if I don't check in, I feel like I'm being irresponsible, right? You know, and can be like, "I'm not." But instead, Romwin does this thing that she always does and is like, "I didn't say that. I didn't do that. You didn't do blah blah blah." And she starts denying it. And so Meredith is like, "Well, you did make an accusation about me." And she goes, "Well, what accusation did I make? What what did I make?" She gives that baby voice and she's like, "Well, that my husband was on a date." Oh, no.

1:32:20 I said at least two or three times. I don't know who he was with. And it's not my place to say, Bronwin, you 100% insinuated that man, you caught that man cheating on her in a restaurant in New York. Stop it. And she goes, "And you haven't seen where Todd and I both said there's no way that that's what's going on." But what we both said is

1:32:36 Oh, so are you saying you're saying uh production cut that out? So you're blaming production for her not seeing that. Oh, I see. Okay. So it's okay for you.

1:32:46 But what we both we both said is that Todd was out and one of you had seen Todd that that would have been what was run with. And I'm so defensive about my marriage. Well, I mean that's a fine point to make, but that wasn't the point you were making.

1:32:56 Yeah. would have been I'm concerned and like you know here's something that might be going on which is that

1:33:03 I saw Todd with a woman. It was not like you know this is [ __ ] because I saw Todd with a woman and I don't even think he's cheating but I know if Todd I'm sorry I saw I saw what's his face Seth with a woman and I if I don't even think Seth's cheating but I know if Todd were a woman then I'd be getting it from all sides but that's not what she was saying at all at all. It was not the context of it and the Meredith is like well I've never said anything about Todd Brain. I don't even know who the Todd is. Who's Todd? And I wasn't even listening. No, but you've sat idly by while your bestie has over and over and over again. And it wasn't a problem that my marriage was talked about until this one talked about your marriage. Well, this is a different point.

1:33:38 Yeah. Not a terrible point either, I have to say. But this is a totally different point than what Brwin was bringing up earlier.

1:33:44 It's deflection from what Brawin actually did. Meredith never did that to you and you did that to Meredith. Period. And now you're trying to make it like, oh, Britney did it. Yeah, but you did it, too. and you did it after Britney did it, so you know how bad it was and you still did it. So, um, she's like, "Well, you didn't do you didn't stand up for me with your bestie." And Meredith is like, "Well, then I ever contribute to saying anything about your marriage." And she's like, "No, but you can didn't contribute to stopping it. Oh my god, then we're all [ __ ] guilty for forest fires because we didn't bring out a hose."

1:34:13 Well, she's basically saying, "You're taking this righteous stand about marriages, but you didn't take this righteous stand when my marriage was involved. It's only when your marriage was involved, you know." Well, if Meredith had taken a stand against Brunwin having a righteous stand about her marriage being talked about, then that would have been the same thing. But this isn't the same thing. Meredith Meredith's rel Meredith's marriage was attacked two times and she has the right to take a stand. And the fact that someone's being like, "Well, it's fine when someone else does it to me." Yeah, she didn't do it to you. So, aim it towards Rowan. Why didn't you take a stand for Meredith? I mean, you were just like Todd was just accused of making out with a girl while farting and you don't like that at all. So Meredith is like, but Meredith is very funny because she's like, "Well, I didn't jump

1:34:56 in cuz you were handling it." I mean, why would I speak up in that moment? You made it very clear that I was like, "You know what, Meredith? Cuz I thought we were [ __ ] friends." And that's why. And you want to you you want to get into the you and me not being friends or being friends or I'm just your [ __ ] assistant. Let's get into that because I'm sure that's what's next, right Andy? You have that next. Okay, we're going to go there next. All right. Um, Judy from Judy Town asks, "What's the situation with you and Meredith?" Well, thank you for asking that cuz I'm going to answer it right now. Uh, you're kind of taking over. That's right. I am taking over, Andy, because I'm the host now. All right. Cuz like you don't think you asked me to do much. Just report back to you on what all my conversations were with everyone and then just sit there and eat [ __ ] when you when you wow me in

1:35:35 front of everybody else and then be like, "Oh, that was off camera. We can never prove it." Convenient, Meredith.

1:35:43 [sighs] So, um, okay. So, Meredith is like, "Well, we I didn't say we didn't have a conversation in my room." We did. We just had a degree disagreement about want. Meredith, I've gone and I'm going to tell you this honestly, Meredith, I valued our friendship. Like, when I suggested that your husband was cheating on you and that you were an alcoholic and then said that you had me to your room and screamed my head off and threatened me with a knife. A and she's like you know and I would love for us to be friends but today you what you are not going to do is you were going to question the statement of [ __ ] with me and we are not going to do it and we have gone to come to Meredith or Braum conversation about what happened and all of us have to sit here and have hard conversations and why are you above it? Sit the [ __ ] down and talk through it with us. She's having the conversation. She's calling you a

1:36:30 liar for what you're accusing her of in the conversation while you deflect and lie about what you actually said in the other conversation. Well, I'm not above it. Just don't don't talk to me that way. Don't talk to me that way. Oh, I absolutely will. You talked to me that way when I came to your room. Ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra ra raging and raving that this was all happening.

1:36:51 Oh, so now she was ranting and raving at you and going crazy in the room. That's an up. You've just upped that story. Before it was she asked you what happened at lunch and now she was ranting and raging at you and screaming at you in the Okay. [gasps] Well, I told you to sit the [ __ ] down. I never said you to just sit the [ __ ] down. No, Meredith, but you scared me into your into your into your into your stink. You were yelling at me. You were yelling at me. I I was not yelling. First of all, there were two people there. Why would I make a scene when there's two? I'm outnumbered. You and your sister.

1:37:24 Meredith, it's enough. Come on. Okay. Meredith said she never asked you about the lunch. And Meredith says, "We did have a conversation about the lunch, but I didn't ask her." You did ask me and I didn't want to tell you what happened at our lunch because that was the lunch that I was outing your husband for having an affair that he didn't have and calling you an alcoholic which I think is funny. I mean, we have to remember that this conversation happened right after this lunch where Bronwin did all that. So, Bronwin was the one guilty at that lunch and then she's coming back and like so she doesn't want to tell her what happens at lunch. So, she wakes up and turns it into this big thing that Meredith was abusing her by trying to get her gossip out. No, you were talking [ __ ] and you didn't want to be caught and now you're deflecting.

1:38:03 So Meredith says, "Well, I just said, "How was your lunch?" You know, I didn't say what was everyone saying. I didn't ask what anyone said. I don't care. I don't care. That's just like that. That's what you're not getting. I don't care, Robin. And he's like, "Ramein, do you feel used by Meredith?" And Meredith, what's your response to her feeling used by you? Well, I'm not using you and I'm not trying to gain anything from you at all. said, "Well, you didn't gain the upper hand when I said to you that there's an accusation about you that I feel is a dangerous implication.

1:38:33 You you volunteered that to me, Brain, and you gained the upper hand. I mean, I'm Meredith. I'm I'm Nikon. I already have the upper hand. I'm a DJ." And instead of just being prepared to handle that conversation, you deflected from having to answer that by saying that Whitney Okay, but you Bronwin is Bronwin does that, too. I mean, Bronwin is the one who goes and yaps everything that people tell her in confidence constantly. So, the fact that she's up here this like, "How dare you, Meredith? I told you things in confidence, and then you use them against me. You do it to everybody on the cast. You've literally been yelled at by everyone in this cast for doing this to them." I don't get why she's so like, "How dare you saying something that I told you in private?" My god. So Bronwin basically like then she's also mad because she's like well you put words in my mouth when you talk to Lisa and Britney about

1:39:21 Britney and saying you know she's mad that basically Bronwin told Meredith that um what Britney was throwing up on the boat and then Meredith told Lisa like I heard that Britney was puking everywhere and Lisa's like whatever I just made a joke it's not a joke those are there are people on these couches who deal with those addictions stop it stop it I have a problem with that

1:39:43 as if you haven't [clears throat] been doing that the whole season, you guys. Come on.

1:39:46 I know. Now it's like, "Oh, but people who have real problems don't want to hear that." Yeah, but you guys are the ones who've been doing it. That's why Meredith did it. It was like her revenge for you guys doing it to her. Like, what's confusing?

1:39:58 So, Whitney is upset because Meredith would like not engage with any sort of conversation about whether or not she has an issue, but then she turns around and just tells Lisa, implies to Lisa that that Britney has actually an issue.

1:40:10 Well, yeah, cuz Britney implied that she had an issue. It's like a stupid revenge. It's like, "Oh, I have a problem. I heard she was drunk and throwing up. I mean, it's fair. They brought it. Britney is the one who brought it into evidence, so she's allowed to counter.

1:40:23 She's allowed to cross." Mhm. So, Brahman's like, "Well," she's like, "Well, this is the problem. You talked to me off camera where you text me to come to your room and there's no cameras or I see you with your hand over your mouth and the sprinter telling Heather, let's talk or I called you and we weren't filming." At least Alisa's like, "She said she she wanted to talk to you like whatever." She's like, "No, no, I'd like to jump in. I've been quiet for too long on this. She wanted a one-on-one and I didn't want a one-on-one. I didn't want it cuz we are a sisterhood. We are a six on six sisterhood. Yeah, but that's not an example of Meredith trying to be shady by telling Heather, I want to speak to you oneonone. She wasn't saying, I want to speak to you one-on-one off camera.

1:41:00 She said on camera, I want to speak to you one-on-one. That means I don't want to do it in front of everybody. And and Bram was like, how dare you? This is another example of you trying to manipulate. So Meredith is like, well, that's 100% true. I did want to get resolution with Heather and every time I tried it in the group, everyone was yelling and screaming and I couldn't. Well, that feels very convenient to me. It feels like you can do stuff off camera when it comes up on camera. You say that's not what I said and that's not what happened and no one can prove it.

1:41:27 Well, Brin, in case it didn't land cuz I feel like we got sidetracked, I would never want you to feel that I was using you. I'm not using you. I'm sorry that it came off that I was. And I want to be very clear. I don't want you to feel that way and I'm sorry. And to quote your mother's t-shirt, everything's okay. Everything's okay, frazzled cat. So Brahman's like, "Yeah, sure. I accept the apology. I had my scene. I'm done. We can wrap this up." So Andy is uh Andy asked Angie why she wanted Cella to write a play. And Angie's like, "Well, I thought it'd be good for people to see ourselves out, you know, whatever, outside of ourselves." And Andy's like, "Well, Lisa, you had you two had an emotional moment after the play. It seems like you two baker are like sisters, but you always come back like sisters. What's your relationship been like?" Well, oh my god, Andy, you know, when I saw Angie at the US Weekly shoot,

1:42:23 oh my god, what an honor. What an honor. Like, I went right up to her and I felt like this. I could just be like so myself with her and I just like went up to her and I was like, "Hey, this really bugs me because I was hanging out with Ben Affleck and I didn't have anyone to tell it to. So now I can tell it to you and this doesn't bug me anymore cuz I can get off my chest. I got to speak to Ben Affleck." Anie, I just felt like such a soft spot for her in that moment. You know what? I love Angie because we have talks, you know, like I've told her like I love hamburgers. I love Diet Coke. I love French fries. And then she could like turn on me and like hurt my feelings and hurt my feelings, you know, like I want to resolve and move forward, but it's like a hamster on a wheel. It's like a hamster on a wheel who doesn't even know Blake Lively. And I'm just like, I'm dizzy. I'm dizzy.

1:43:12 So, um, uh, so Mary's like, "Well, what did you what did you what did Angie say that you heard that you didn't like?" And Lisa's like, "Well, she said that I'm ruining the show and like and I'm not this and I'm not that and whatever." Well, sometimes it's hard to be your friend cuz I feel like your expectations can be unreal cuz you are not Greek.

1:43:32 It's It's hard to be your friend because you expect your friends to not go on podcasts and say that you should be fired from the show. It's really it's really that's a really huge expectation to have of your friends and she's like, "Yeah, but you know what? Like my expectation is like let's laugh together, you know? Like let's talk about like how good our hair and how bad Britney's hair is, you know? Like I make a concerted effort to go deeper with you, Angie. Like I talked to you about emotional things like when Wendy's changed his French fries and sensitive things about like when I tried a white chocolate Kit Kat and it didn't really work for me, you know, and everything like it felt like we talk about God, our kids, Louis Vuitton, your [snorts] mom experiences, you know, real things. So for me, when we're friends, I just feel like we're really friends.

1:44:21 Like it's not superficial. But you talk about superficial, but you sometimes do lead with your stuff and like who you are and you love things, but you have another side of you that is like very lovable and I want to see that more. Yeah, you say that, but I really don't. I really don't. Are you saying you don't have another side that's lovable? No, no, no. I'm saying I don't talk about my material things. Like for instance, when I was at this party with like Ben and Blake and I had this like amazing Chanel bag with me, I was like, "Look at me. I'm lovable. I'm relatable." Right.

1:44:52 I like that. And Angie's like, "You know, you're superficial sometimes. I mean, I have five Porsches. I got like the first one. So, I've had the first Porsche, so whatever."

1:45:00 So, basically, Angie's like, "Look, yeah, you do have like you have this wonderful side of you, but you also get really defensive because you sort of get wrapped up in the material stuff." And she goes, "But look at our conversations. The proof is in the pudding. The pudding that they now sell at Wendy's. What a great addition to the menu. I want to move forward with you. I just don't want to go backwards. There's no point in going backwards. Oh, it's so tip for Okay, let's go forward. Let's go forward, my little Scorpio.

1:45:26 Yeah. So, they decide they're going to move forward cuz we're nearing the end here, people. So, Andy's like, "Okay, we're back with final thoughts. I want to close on a positive note. Let's go around and say what we learned this season." And the answers are bizarre. Mary's like, "It's important to see yourself put out energy that you want to receive." And Whitney's like, "Um, failure is the universe or God redirecting. You guys are not supposed to be reading off in Instagram like pop psychology like thirst quotes like what are you reading?"

1:45:58 Yeah. And Britney's saying, "I just, you know, I've learned to be patient. Good things will come for people who are patient. Like what are you patient over?" And Angie's Angie is, you know, she's learned about acceptance. And Meredith is like, "Well, I've learned that um Crazy Rich Asians is a more complicated film than I originally thought and I really owe owe it another viewing. If you're going to pop a pill, do it in the privacy of your own room, I guess." genius.

1:46:29 Did we I think we didn't I think we may have missed the part where um I think we come back from break and there's this like little spread of Greek food on the table in front of them and Britney's like, "Oh my god, I can't wait to eat. I've been eyeing those chocolate covered cherries all night." And Angie goes, "Those are olives."

1:46:51 [gasps] I mean like one of the she thought olives were chocolate covered cherries.

1:47:02 Well, Andy, I don't know if I really learned this, but I it really became crystal clear to me that the best moments of my life have been with you guys and also the darkest. Hey, why are you looking at me? You're spray tan. It's really, really dark, Lisa. Oh, okay. It's It's natural though. The sun loves me. I'm sorry. Get mad at the sun. Well, I can give it to all these women. When I say that, I can give it to all these women. I really can. I guess I just want to say how much I truly love and cherish our friendships, even if you are gaslighting me. But the highs and lows of them, when we have fun, we really do have fun. When we love each other, we really do. And when we leak to the press, I still love you despite the fact that you're a duplicitous [ __ ] That's just who I am.

1:47:53 Um, you know, sometimes I learned that um, change is negative and it means there's been a failure or an ending or something you did wrong and change can be a good thing. And change has to start with me. And so I'm changing everybody in my life. And I'm changing the way I show up in some of these friendships. And I have to change the way I interact with my own mom and maybe Todd. And I have to be good with Gwen doing the change in her own life. She's not going to grow out her hair. She will keep a bob, but other changes are okay. Okay.

1:48:19 All right. Lisa, what have you learned? Um, well, uh, intake. It's really important. Intake. Like

1:48:28 you can't go to a doctor without answering their questions. Yeah. When you have set up an air conditioner, you can't block that intake. Otherwise, you don't get the cold air. Yeah. [snorts]

1:48:38 If you have French fries, but you don't give them intake, you can't digest them. All right. Well, for our final toast, we have some baklava here. Who wants some baklava? And Britney, it does not mean you've got lava on your back. Oh god, I was so worried there for a moment. Okay. Well, uh, Mary's like, I can't have sugar, Andy. I'm I'm going to I'm not going to eat it, but it it looks it looks delicious. Um, so I just I just want to congratulate all the fat people here for just being so bold. Go, fat people. Enjoy your baklava. So they do a baklava toast which then made me want to have baklava. Quite frankly I may have to source some later today. And that concludes

1:49:20 I don't know why it made me laugh that Meredith was really enjoying her. She was like actually eating it and being like who knows?

1:49:29 The layers of pho are really distinct and delicious. The the ratio of honey and walnuts is really perfect. [clears throat]

1:49:37 Yeah. So thanks for the season, Salt Lake City. Uh, I think overall a pretty good season. I got a little frustrated at the end, but that's kind of natural for me uh at the end of a at the end of a season. Um, but I thought, you know, overall pretty good. Got a little annoying towards the end, but overall great. Still love it. I thought it was I thought it was a very good season and I think it's a good thing that they're going to make some tweaks ahead of next season. Not that the show, not that this was a bad season, but like, you know, we've become we're we're pretty good at seeing where this like this might be heading towards a danger zone. Cast is becoming a little too self-aware, Heather. And so, let's just like make some tweaks and um I'm excited for what next season has to bring us. But, thanks for a wonderful season overall and um yeah, good times. Now, we pivot

1:50:24 on Tuesday nights to Summer House. Summer House starting next week. I'm so excited. Season 10. Yes. Thanks everyone for being here and we'll catch you on the next episode. Bye.

Questions about this episode

Who speaks in "RHOSLC S619 Reunion 3: Todds and Ends"?

Ben Mandelker (Host), Ronnie Carum (Host), Meredith Marks (Guest), Britney (Guest), Heather (Guest), Bronwin (Guest).

What is "RHOSLC S619 Reunion 3: Todds and Ends" about?

The discussion revolves around the third reunion episode of "Real Housewives of Salt Lake City," where hosts Ben and Ronnie reflect on the season's conclusion, addressing cast dynamics and potential changes for the next season. They analyze which cast members, particularly Whitney and Meredith, may face repercussions based on their actions and interactions throughout the season.

What is mentioned in this Watch What Crappens episode?

9 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Meredith Marks, Bravo, Ronnie Carum, Ben Mandelker, Golden Krabies, Summer House. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

How long is "RHOSLC S619 Reunion 3: Todds and Ends"?

The episode runs 1 h 51 min; the transcript is about 23,112 words in 286 timestamped sections.

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