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It’s Like Photoshop, But Free!

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This is the full, timestamped transcript of "It’s Like Photoshop, But Free!", an episode of WVFRM Podcast published November 7, 2025 (1 h 51 min, about 23,089 words). It mentions 15 people, works and ideas, including Affinity, Nothing, Teenage Engineering, Google LLC, Soulja Boy.

What is discussed, and when

  1. – 10:00: Nothing, Facebook, Instagram, Google LLC
  2. – 20:00: Affinity, Google LLC
  3. – 30:00: Affinity, Nothing
  4. – 40:00: Waveform
  5. – 50:00: Teenage Engineering, Nothing
  6. – 1:00:00: Fairphone, Moto Edge 70, Nothing, Teenage Engineering
  7. – 1:10:00: Soulja Boy, Google LLC, Nothing, Fairphone
  8. – 1:20:00: Nothing, Google LLC, Gym Shark, Waveform
  9. – 1:30:00: Google LLC, Nothing
  10. – 1:50:00: Teenage Engineering, HP Pavilion
  11. – 1:51:25: Waveform

Notable quotes from "It’s Like Photoshop, But Free!"

  • That'll, be, fun., But, first,, I, want, to come in with a little nothing phone 3A response from nothing and a correction from last week.
    about Nothing · at
  • Of times like no that's bloatware. And they obviously on the 3A light have Tik Tok, Instagram, Facebook straight up already preloaded a bunch of meta apps, service, apps., And, so, their, response, to it was we heard your fe so on the 30th.
    about Facebook · at
  • I, cannot, Google, on, Google., I'm, sure nothing also can't Yeah.
    about Google LLC · at
  • Yeah., All, right., Do, we, want, to, talk about Affinity?
    about Affinity · at
  • Okay., Well,, speaking, of, green, things, Fairphone launched the green Fairphone 6 this year.
    about Fairphone · at
  • Anyway,, so, that's, that, was, some, quick news. Also, we have a new Moto Edge 70 coming out, which is really dang thin only slightly thin, thicker than the iPhone Air but, it, has, a, 4,800.
    about Moto Edge 70 · at
  • Around the world and 10% of all e-commerce in the US. That includes household names like Mattel and Gym Shark and brands that are just getting started. Shopify gives you access…
    about Gym Shark · at
  • Remember Marquez's. I know that I wrote Does this count enough? HP Pavilion Teenage Engineering.
    about HP Pavilion · at

Who and what is mentioned in this episode?

People

  • Soulja Boy — Person · 5 mentions · first at
    Soulja Boy scamming again. Sorry. and we're gonna wrap it up with a game that Andrews made for us.

Companies & orgs

  • Affinity — Company · 16 mentions · first at
  • Nothing — Company · 13 mentions · first at
  • Teenage Engineering — Company · 12 mentions · first at
    So,, okay., This, week, we, have, a, bunch, of free software. That's pretty good. a new Teenage Engineering product that Adam is very excited about. Also, our first real look…
  • Google LLC — Company · 12 mentions · first at
  • Fairphone — Company · 5 mentions · first at
  • Canva — Company · 5 mentions
  • Adobe — Company · 4 mentions
  • Apple Inc. — Company · 4 mentions
  • Facebook — Company · 3 mentions · first at
  • Instagram — Company · 3 mentions · first at
    Of times like no that's bloatware. And they obviously on the 3A light have Tik Tok, Instagram, Facebook straight up already preloaded a bunch of meta apps, service, apps., And, so, their, response, to it was we heard your fe so on the 30th.
  • Gym Shark — Company · 1 mention · first at

Products & tech

Concepts & topics

  • Waveform — Concept · 4 mentions · first at
    Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.

Full transcript with timestamps

The first Galaxy Fold was also pretty rough. Yeah,, those, bezels, were they, were, thick.,

I, mean,, yeah. I, mean,, this, the, main, screen, on, the front was like it was like a little watch phone inside of your phone.

So,, you, know,, this, is, better, than, that. Um, what is your hot take? I'm curious now.

My, hot, take, on, bezels, is Yo, what is up people of the internet? Welcome back to another episode of the Waveform podcast. We're your hosts. I'm Marquez.

I'm, Andrew. And, I'm, David. So,, okay., This, week, we, have, a, bunch, of free software. That's pretty good. Uh, a new Teenage Engineering product that Adam is very excited about. Also, our first real look at uh the Samsung Trifold., I, don't, know if, that's, exactly what it'll be called, but it's the Trifold. We're going to call it that. Soulja Boy scamming again. Sorry. Uh and we're gonna wrap it up with a game that Andrews made for us.

That'll, be, fun., But, first,, I, want, to come in with a little nothing phone 3A response from nothing and a correction from last week.

I, thought, you were, gonna, apologize, to, me again. Oh, I, got, excited. Do, I, have, something, to, apologize, for?

I, don't, know., You, could, figure, it, out. All, [snorts], right., If, you, figure, out what I figure it out by the end of this article.

Okay., I'm, ready. Um,, so, last, week, we, talked, about, the, 3A light and how it's basically just the CMF phone 2 with a nothing design language. $10 more expensive and a bunch of

phone, 2, a, pro. No,, just, two, pro., You, are, price., Okay, we, thinking, of, the, 3A, light,

which, is, the, budget, sub., Anyway, [clears throat], we, can, continue. Um,, but, yes,, it, was, $10, more, expensive and has a bunch of bloatware and ads. So, first I want to correct something. Last week, I said the cameras were exactly the same, but I was wrong. The 3A ditches the CMF2 pros 50 m megapixel telephoto and adds a 2 megapixel macro camera instead.

You'd, love, to, see, it. Love, to, see, it., So,, they're, not, the same. In fact, I think we can all agree CMF phone is better cameras.

That's, crazy. Um,, even, though, it's, less, expensive., Um, and then since the release, nothing's been basically getting dunked on non-stop. Um, Ben Shun had a great article about basically just how Twitter's compiled all the the age-old uh

receipts. Yeah,, the, receipt., Like, how, companies are like, "Let's make fun of other companies and they always just do that thing later."

This, is, why, Twitter's, still, so, good, at it. It is. Everyone, has, 5-year-old, tweets., It's just Yeah

I'll, link, Ben's, article, in, it., It compiles a bunch, but one is um I, keep, forgetting, his, name., He's, one, of the co-founders.

Aus., He, tweeted, in, 2023,, 2, megapixel third camera sensors are the biggest scam of the 21st century

which, is, such, a, great, take, cuz, I've, said before like they're pretty useless. But to be in charge of a phone company that might do it in the future and to say it's the biggest scam of the 21st century is really putting yourself out there.

I, think, people, need, to, remember, that, you can just not tweet things. Yeah., like, you, don't, have, to.

No,, I'm, glad, he, tweets, this, cuz, you, know how he really feels now. Yeah.

Well,, so, he, he, since, then, replied, to, the almost, threeyear-old, tweet, and, said, add to add context which first of all if you have to add context to a three-year-old tweet you've lost already. Um he said this is regarding depth sensors to optimize portrait mode as the second sensor can serve that purpose purpose. is for the 3A light. The options were either remove the third camera or convert it to a macro lens. And then since the community has been doing some fun great macro photography we went with the later. This feels so much like when they uh the quote unquote placeholder images where he's just like "No, no, no. We didn't make a mistake.

Check out all these sweet pictures our people on nothing phones have taken." This, macro, of, someone's, eye, that, he posted looks like an AI photo because it's so low resolution

because, it's, 2, megap. It's, like, so, oversharpened., Yeah,, it's it's, one, of, those, things, that, looks great in the thumbnail preview and then you blow it up and you're like

it's, pretty, bad., Yeah. Yeah,, it's, not, great., But also, 2, megapixels,, like, these, aren't, 2 megapixel photos. I'm pretty sure you can't take these photos with a 2 megapixel macro camera. Maybe I'm wrong.

It, is., Yep., 2, megapixel., So,, the, three cameras are 50 megapixel wide, 8 megapixel ultrawide, 2 megapixel macro.

Yeah,, this, photo, is, 1600, by, 901,, which fits within 2 megapixels. So wow., Maybe, you, can, take, amazing, macros with a 2 megapixel macro camera.

Define, amazing. Amazingly, sure enough, to, get, tweeted, by, the, company's marketing guy

in, a, basically, apology. Yeah., Um, so, other, than, that,, nothing, has also been known a lot of times to talk about nothing OS takes out the bloatware. Carl Pay has tweeted a bunch of times like no that's bloatware. And they obviously on the 3A light have Tik Tok, Instagram, Facebook straight up already preloaded a bunch of meta um apps,

service, apps., And, so, their, response, to it was we heard your fe so on the 30th they said uh these apps come because they offer faster startup, smarter background performance, better power efficiency, seamless camera access. That's the reason for happening. But

having, them, pre-installed what?, Okay., But, don't, worry,, you, still retain full control. All of those can be uninstalled.

I, raise, you, that I, feel, like, should, be, able, to, be uninstalled. Yeah., Like, all, of, the, I, don't, know, how many of these things are true because they're pre-installed. If they're doing some special optimizations, I don't know. But if I just install it from the Play Store, all of those advantages will still be there, right? So, they can always be installed if I want them. The definition of bloatware is apps that are installed that I didn't want and are just taking up space.

This, is, by, definition. The, only, reason, that, they're, saying, that this is like not really bloatware is because the bloatware that we're used to from the very early phone and smartphone era was like I don't know a random Verizon or

Candy, Crusher, like, also, like, games pre-installed. Verizon, messenger. Verizon, messenger., Yeah,, that, kind, of stuff.

We'll, talk, about, that, later., There's like an NFL app on my first smartphone my like HTC Thunderbolt I had. Like yeah, people don't use that. But

I, don't, know., They're, saying, it's, not bloware, but it's like if, you, have, Tik, Tok, pre-installed,, I don't want

they're, claiming, these, are, the, most widely used apps globally. So they're just

which, is, it, takes, 5, seconds, to, download these. I, think, our, definition, of, bloatware, is you put a bunch of stuff on my phone that I don't want and I don't want to use and it's just taking up space. Now I have to go uninstall it. Their their rebuttal to that is, oh, but you do want to use these. These are the popular ones. It's Instagram and Tik Tok, right? But I don't necessarily think everyone wants to use the Facebook app or or all any or all of these meta properties. So it's like it is still bloatware. Not everyone is going to use them, but it is not as offensive bloatware as the the ones that we're used to.

Sure., And, they're, adding, it, because, they get paid to add it, so they subsidize the phone

which, I, feel, like, just, say, that, and people say it, dude. I'm Yes. Exactly.

They, could, literally, go, like, the, the only way we were able to make this. So we were able to make this so cheap by installing this stuff because we assume you want it anyway. You can uninstall it if you want, but that's how we're able to make our products like affordable. Yeah. But when you like dance around it people are not stupid. People know how this works.

Yep., They, they, also, said, so, the, meta service apps at first couldn't be taken off. They could only be disabled. And he like he wrote how to disable it as this like settings app things. F. There's like four or five steps to get into it. I didn't know that they could still do that. I remember that being a thing where you couldn't actually uninstall apps. You could only disable them and it would like turn them off but it still retained the app data or whatever

storage., I, thought, that, they, got, rid, of that but I guess not. Yeah., I, mean, there's, still, system, apps you can't dis can't remove. I was surprised that they could do that for like such obvious third party.

That's, what, I'm, saying. Yeah. Yeah. Like, I, wouldn't I, get, for, system, 32

a, non, removable, Facebook, app, is, kind, of crazy. Yeah., Unless, you, have, the, HTC, first,, you know,

I, think, you, can, remove, the, Facebook, app, but it's just like the meta services stuff, or, I, don't know., I, might, be, wrong about that. So bad.

Um,, yeah,, community, is, not, happy,, I think, is the safest way to say it. Um nice little update on

because, they're, pre-installed,, they offer faster startup. What does that even mean?

I, don't, understand, what, that, mean., I think it means like when you first set up the phone, it is now faster because Instagram quicker when you first unboxer, nothing that important to the experience. Like on a Pixel, I can't uninstall Gmail.

I'd, have, to, like Can't, you, I'd, have, to, disable, it., Yeah, I can like root my phone and then uninstall.

Try, doing, it, right, now., I'll, try, it right now. I, can, only, disable, or, archive.

Interesting. I, cannot, Google, on, Google., Like, I'm, sure nothing also can't Yeah.

You, can't, take, off, the, nothing, apps, that are on it, but people don't consider that bloatware cuz it's the, you know the phones the company. Yeah. But

when, you, start, putting, all, these, third party things in there, it's a little more annoying.

Yeah., Didn't, Apple, get, in, trouble, for not letting you uninstall like preloaded Apple apps or something?

Every, year?, Not, maybe, not, even, every year, but it feels like every one or two years with the new iOS update, we get one or two more default apps. I think with iOS 26, there was a preview app that got added and I think maybe one more app that got like by default and they just snuck them in there and they show up with the software update and people usually just remove them and it's no big deal. But there's a bunch of stuff now that comes on the iPhone and

we, kind, of, just, accept, it. By, the, way,, the, preview, app, is, very frustrating. I made a folder on my iPad of photos and every time you click it it opens preview and then it looks at that in preview and you you can't you can't just like move over to the next photo in the folder.

Like, normally, on, a, Mac, like, you, can, just hit the the next button and it goes through the folder, right?

But, because, it, opens, preview, and, just opens that singular image in preview

you, can't, just, scroll., So, you, have, to, go back to the files, app, is, the, other, one.

Yeah. Yeah. It's, so, annoying., That's, it, doesn't quite work like a Mac otherwise you would just have a Mac and Apple can't have that.

They, did, update, it, one, more, time, and saying we're hoping to roll out a way to just take off meta app installer app manager and meta services.

We're, hoping but, it, should, be, out, end, of, the, month but I'm not going to so but Meta already paid us so

yeah, fair, or, hoping, to, be, able, to uninstall them. It will still come default.

Yeah. Yeah., All, right., Do, we, want, to, talk about Affinity? Yeah., fill, me, in, cuz, I, don't, use, any Affinity products, but I've heard people at the studio losing their absolute minds over

and, one, of, them, sitting, right, next, to me. So,, please, please, tell, me, why, it's, such a big deal what what Affinity is doing.

So,, yeah., Do, you, do, does, anyone, use Affinity here at all? I, started, last, month, like, towards, the tail end of this whole thing.

Cool., I, sorry., I, also, want, to, note, that this is important because they are basically the Adobe competitor

for, sure for, like, their, Adobe's, whole, suite., And ever since Adobe moved over to Creative Cloud a number of years ago and every single thing is a subscription, you no longer were able to just buy creative software that you can buy once and use forever. Affinity in like 2016 basically started like making a bunch of parallels to all the Adobe apps. So I'd heard about Affinity Photo that's like Lightroom.

Affinity, Photo, is, like, Photoshop. Affinity Designer is like Illustrator and Affinity Affinity Publisher is like Inesign.

Yeah. Okay. And, they're, not, subscriptions. No, they, were, like, 70, bucks, a, piece., I, think iPad app was like 20 bucks. Um but they varied. Yeah.

Yeah., And, they, had, an, iPad, app, which, was great. Mhm., The, reason, we're, bringing, this, up again is because last week Ellis on Wednesday was like, "Hey everyone, I don't know if this is going to be the same as on Friday, like when it releases, but right now Affinity is free." And it felt like because they they had been bought by Canva in 2024 and

on, Wednesday, there, was, this, feeling, of an announcement that was going to come out on the 30th that we knew about which was Thursday. So for us, you know Wednesday, Thursday, then release Friday. So it's like is this going to be free because tomorrow Canva is going to say we're shutting down Affinity or changing it. Like are you going to get a free version that doesn't get upgraded? It

you, know, we, all, kind, of, expect, the, worst out of stuff like that when we see it. But on the 30th, what they did is they actually announced two things. One is that the three different apps that they had are now combined into this singular piece of software that you can now switch between essentially Photoshop, Illustrator, Inesign through a tab switch on the top and get all the different tools without having to go through different programs including your file moving between all of them.

That's, awesome. Which, is, awesome., That's, really, cool actually. Mega, app., Yeah,, I, think, it's, really, neat

and, that, they're, completely, free., add, a video editor. Well,, that's, fair,, but, we, can, sort, of get to that later. Um, but like so now that all of them are three at at times like we mentioned, they could be up to $70 each. Um

yeah,, Canva, just, was, like,, "Hey, [snorts] here you go. These are all free and just available." Canva's reasoning for this was that Canva itself has like a corporate plan which is very popular because their competitor is basically Adobe Photoshop Express which nobody really uses.

So, that's, a, subscription, the, Canva thing. Canva, is, a, subscription, and, their corporate subscription is like much more expensive and they make a they sell a lot of

subscriptions., I, I, also, I, didn't, read this anywhere, but this is a theory of mine. Like I think a lot a lot of what you get out of the Canvas subscription is you get access to this library of assets that's made by Canva designers. And I believe with a subscription, you would get access to those assets in

I, can, jump, ahead. Thank, you. If, the, AI, tools, inside, of, the, new Affinity stuff is only available through Canva Premium

which, is, that's, like, the, main, thing you're unlocking is generative fill. Yeah., But, for, the, most, part,, the, main tools that are like Photoshop competitors other than, you know, we're seeing this multitude of new AI tools coming into design programs, those are the things that are locked behind a subscription, which is Canva Premium.

That, makes, sense, then., So,, it's, like they're making Canva free with a bunch of its basic tools as a vessel.

A, lot, of, really, powerful, tools. Sure. Affinity, free. Affinity. Affinity., Sorry., Infinity, is, free, as, a vessel to hopefully get you to subscribe at some point for some of the more advanced/ AI tools because those are good.

Yeah,, think, about, it, like, this, like, if you are a business and you you are more likely to buy a Canva Pro subscription for your designers if it also comes with all these other design tools so that you don't have to also have an Adobe cloud subscription for all of the you know in design and Illustrator and Photoshop. So if you if you have Canva, which is sort of a like a rapid prototyping design tool in a way

it's, also it's like everyone's first like everyone who's not a creat dude., I, wouldn't, even, describe, it, as that. Like I can't remember the last time I got like a wedding invite or like really any document ever that wasn't made in in Canva

because, they, have, a, lot, of, like, very stylish designs that are so made by actual designers. Super easy. Yeah. Yeah.

Like, like, I, feel, like, all, other platforms when they use the term drag and drop are like

ish, and, Canva, is, like, literally, the, most drag and drop I'm graphic designing thing ever.

Yeah., So, from, a, business, perspective it's like they already have an incentive to use Canva. But then if you want your entire team to be using it, a lot of those actual designers on your team are going to need more procreative tools and usually they'd have to go to Adobe Creative Cloud. So now if they make these free then it's like it's much more incentive for a business to subscribe to Cam Can Canva Pro because you also get these creative tools.

Makes, sense. And, if, I, have, the, breakdown, of, what Canva Premium costs and what Adobe costs if we want to look at that real quick because even still Canva Premium $13 a month or $100 $120 a year if you pay yearly which I $10 a month.

Yeah. Creative, Cloud, Pro., It's, so, confusing how this pricing works. And this is non business. This is if just you're an individual buying. Yep.

So, $105, a, month., If, you, pay, just monthly. Mhm. If, you, pay, monthly, but, commit, to, annual, it's $70 a month or $780 a year.

This, is, a, little, different, because Creative Cloud Pro comes with everything.

There's, a, ton, of, it., All, the, AI, stuff. If, you're, picking, individual, programs, it generally runs $23 a month with an annual subscription. So we're talking about half the price for Affinity. Um and that's even half the price of one singular program. Yeah. Of uh Adobe.

And, that's, if, you, want, the, Canva, Pro features because if you just want to use Affinity without all of the like AI generative stuff

it's, all, free., It's, just, free. Yeah. So,, as, you, wrote, down, here, you, can, basically, make, any, creative, uh project now for completely free

because, you, can, take, your, phone,, film, a video, edit in Da Vinci Resolve, which is like a pro video editing app that is also free. Mhm.

Uh, create, your, own, graphics, and thumbnails in Affinity and then you spent no money.

That's, a, pretty, big, deal. It's, the, best, time, ever, to, be, to, want, to try creating. Yeah.

With, like, very, low, risk. I, I've, only, used, Affinity, on, my, iPad, so far and I will say it's my favorite iPad design app. Like I think it's way better than the Adobe Illustrator

uh, Procreate, is, better, at, like, the, brush simulation stuff. Like there is like a bunch of like under the hood stuff in Procreate that just makes it like butter, which I feel like is their whole thing. But the it's so much easier to work in the vector space and work with text and like do things that aren't literally drawing in Illust and I've found that the brushes in Affinity Design are like not that much worse. Yeah,

I, want, to, try, it, because, this, is, one, of those things where I've used Photoshop for so long begrudgingly and luckily work at a company that pays for my Adobe suite. So like that makes it um but like this is the kind of stuff where there's no one around me who is like I just want to edit some photos or that I'm ever going to suggest Photoshop for. Like it's just too expensive. So the free version of this without some AI tools is like, at least, you, can, learn, the, basics of everything and really see if you want to do this stuff

for, the, same, price, of, a, year, of Photoshop, you could buy a pixel and just put all of your photos in the Google magic editor and just do it all like that. Like

yeah,, I, think, that, there's, more, mounting pressure on Adobe to either lower their prices or create some sort of premium software that people can use without having to pay for the whole subscription. I'm still a little confused why Affinity did this in the first place because I feel like their subscriber base is typically professionals

marketing, department,, you, know. Affinity, or, Canva? Uh,, Canva,, you're, right., Yeah,, sorry.

Well,, they, did, it, to, get, more, Canva subscribers, but, I, don't, think, people, that, are signing up to use Affinity are going to inherently use Canva because no one

I, think, it's, the, other, way, around., You mean people using Canva are just going to now use Affinity because

businesses, are, more, incentivized, to, to have a Canva Pro subscription if it also comes with a bunch of creative software for their more professional users.

Yeah., So, like, in, order, to, get, the, all the AI tools and stuff out of which I keep saying AI tools and it's easy to dunk on AI but like more and more design programs are having tools that just help you save time. It's not I'm not saying it's like a go into Affinity and create an entire thing using just AI. It's like subject select, advanced generative fill, like those are super helpful tools.

Also,, just, like, so, many, people, subscribe to Canva, you know what I mean? I, think, a, lot, of, marketing, departments subscribe to Canva, but regular people just use the free version to make

but, that's, the, whole, thing., They're they're subsidizing affinity for regular people by getting more marketing departments to sign up for Cana Pro. This also might be I I know I personally have so many friends who are not professional designers are not creative professionals and keep a Canvas subscription going just because anytime they need to format any like people use it instead of Google Docs.

Can, I, Yeah. You, know, what, I, mean? But, like, everyone, I, know, that, uses, Canva has one project that they just edit constantly because they refuse to pay for the subscription.

I, I, got, my, payers, here., Okay., This, is totally anecdotal but teachers use Canva like crazy.

Yeah,, Canva, is, the, new, PowerPoint., It's like everyone uses Canva. Like when, Jess, worked, in, an, ad, agency,, all, of their decks were made in Canva. Everything was made in Canva. But that's what I mean. Like those are not people who are making thumbnails for YouTube videos. I think it's a happy accident that now it's free for all of us. But I'm just confused why they did it that like what is their incentive? But David's make point makes sense which is that like it's just another tool that their people can use now since you're already paying for the canvas subscription you know

and, to, there's, like, such, an, entrenched uh there's still so many businesses that use Adobe stuff like all of there's so much After Effects and Photoshop and all the you know Adobe design stuff that people have been using forever and the only way to get someone out of that is to offer something that gives you substantially more value or seems like it would be a better deal to actually get you to unsubscribe from the Adobe thing., So,, if, you're, going to, get someone to leave Adobe, you got to make moves. And this is one of the moves they decide to try to make.

Yeah. I, just, feel, like, that's, still, going, to like, I, don't, know., I, think, it's, cool., I think it's awesome because we get to play with a new thing that's free. But like Tim is not leaving Photoshop.

That, you're, never, going, to, convert people who like went to school for design and are doing this forever. And

are, the, real, professionals, are, sticking to the Yeah,, but, now, now, you, start, the, new individual too. If you're an individual paying for the Adobe suite and you realize you could save a lot of money by using the canvas stuff

every, individual, is, very, unhappy, with how much they have to pay for. Marquez,, as, someone, that, pays, for, all, of our Adobe subscriptions, are you tempted at all by this?

Yeah,, dude., Every, time, you, guys, are like, "Hey, can we add one more seat for Adobe?" I'm like "Do you really really want this?"

Yes., Because, this, will, cost, me, $1,500, a, month for every single person we add.

1,500, so, much., Not, quite,, but, it's, it's a lot of it might as well be. The, pro, version, is, way, more, because, it comes with like more tokens or

but, it's, not, like, I, can, just, Yeah, that's so I, would, love, to, be, able, to, just, go, I, can add one seat for just Photoshop, but of course Adobe doesn't want you to be able to, do that

as, a, business., Yeah. Yeah., Yeah., Um, I, I'll, just tack on to this as we're talking about uh like bringing people off of Adobe is like this is free for now. We always have to just be aware. They've claimed that I think it's going to stay free but you can never trust. It said free forever. Um, but also, um, nothing said 2 megapixel cameras are the biggest scam of the 21st century. So, just remember any of these things can change at any time. So, uh

we, won't, be, surprised, when, that, happens. I mean, that's the whole reason that people often are like, you need to just host everything yourself because everything is like free and great until it's not

and, companies, will, always, like, bait, and switch you eventually. So, you know, use it while you got it.

Use, it., Yeah., Now's, the, best, time, better time than ever to try and make that channel or whatever you've been thinking about because you can between Resolve and Affinity. Yeah.

You, can, do, pretty, much, everything, that you could do when you first started your YouTube channel, right? Yeah, basically wild be set to go.

The, new, Affinity, app, now, has, like, a, new file format, I believe. I wonder if that's going to be compatible with anything else.

Is, that, the, AF, file? I, love, it. I, wonder., Is that because so it can switch between I wonder if that's so it can switch between the

Yeah,, but, I, mean, more, so, like, what you're getting at is like in 10 years if they decide oh now we're charging and now you have like a backlog of all your professional work that's afra uh Statista but it's like or not Statista what's the the Statista for money?

You, know what, I'm, talking, about?, Poly market. Jeez., Uh, it's, like, it's, like, like, they acrew data from shareholder.

Oh, yeah, yeah yeah., Um, something, research whatever SharePoint, research, or, something, like that

that, thing., Uh, but, uh, Affinity's, growth has outpaced almost all their competitors here. They it says they outpaced Figma, Muro, and Adobe in year-over-year growth.

Dang., Um,, and, they, also, do more revenue than Figma and Miro. So, I think they literally just are like

than, Figma. Yeah. Wow. So,, that's, crazy., Well,, that's, what, I'm saying is like like Canva, I don't think we we I think we're underestimating how used and paid for Canva is like and so I just think it makes sense for Affinity to be like if we have the the casuals cornered in the market

you, know,, let's, get, the, power, users, in too. And, maybe, they'll, start, charging, us

eventually. Just to be accurate, if I add a seat to our Adobe Creative Cloud Pro Plus for Teams, it's about $1,500 a year.

XL, XL, Ultra. Yeah., 1,500. Okay., Well,, um,, speaking, of, adding things, uh, Samsung added another screen to its trifold. And we've been talking

another, screen, to, it, trifold. Well,, it's, actually, the, same, amount, of screens. It's just they added a fold.

That's, true., They, added, an, additional fold. They added a fold. We finally got our first look at the Samsung Trifold phone. We had previously just seen animations of this and they had mentioned it would come out before the end of the year. It is currently November 5th. We'll see if that happens.

This, is, the, most, careful, slow, roll, out imaginable. Like first it's an animation

and, the, [clears throat], name, and, then it's like a little glyph on their on their presentation. Now it's behind a glass so no one can touch it but it's showing it closed and open. So you can't see it closed or open but you can see what it looks like closed and open.

Yeah. And, it, is, indeed, a, roughly, what, 6.7, in phone closed and a 10-in tablet open.

Yes. So, that's, exciting., That's, the, whole point. You get a real tablet size screen while it's open.

The, thing, that, is, slightly, less, exciting is that those bezels are thick with multiple C's.

Yeah., I, have, a, hotter, take, about, that. Oh,, interesting., The, first, Galaxy, Fold was also pretty rough.

Yeah,, those, bezels, were they, were, thick., I, mean, I, mean,, this, the, main, screen, on, the front was like it was like a little watch phone inside of your phone.

So,, you, know,, this, is, better, than, that. Um, what is your hot take? I'm curious now. My hot take on bezels is YouTube comments and most of us nerds way overreact to bezel thickness. And I I get this comment a lot. Like I'll have two phones next to each other and I'll compare them and I'll be like, "See man, this phone looks like basically just as premium." And someone will go "Look at the bezels on the S26 FE. Disgusting,, [clears throat], horrible, unacceptable." And they're next to each other and it's literally 1 millm or more bezel. and they're serious and they're like, "I could never use a phone with that much bezel." I'm like "Dude, if you maybe it's cuz I'm old or something, but if you rewind like 7 8 n years when phones actually had thick bezels, I'm like, dude, every phone today north of $200 has thin bezels. I don't care. Like, I'm not looking at the

Motorola, at, Dino. Do, you, remember, the, bathtub, notch?, Do you remember like the actually thick bezels?" So, I see this and I, you know Yeah, the bezels are a little thicker but they're not even that much thicker than real bezels. The first fold had that crazy like outside screen like that. That was genuinely you can complain about how thick the bezels are

for, sure. But, now, as, I'm, using, basically, all, of these phones, all of them have thin enough bezels. And I'm reviewing a phone right now that has like

they're, bragging, about, how, thin, the bezels are. They invented a new technology to fold the OLED even closer to the edges to get 1.15 mm bezels instead of 1.5 mm bezels, which to them is like a 40% improvement. But to me I'm like, hey, man, thin bezels all the way around.

They're, retina, bezels. Yeah., So,, I, I, love, thin, bezels, as, much as anyone else, but I am not getting nearly as worked up. I think people are overreacting to thick bezels.

Yeah,, I'm, I'm, not, really, worked, up, about it. What I will say is funny about this is the thick bezels are on the front and the inside whereas like the inside's this crazy new technology to get all of that and I understand it. The outside's still really thick for just the front side of the phone which I presume is something they've done already. Maybe I'm wrong.

Yeah, it's, just, I, think, it's, also, just, how square the thing looks that the square the really black big bezels through the whole thing just makes it look

like, uh, a, toy, almost. Yeah., I, have, a, prediction. Oh, yeah., My, prediction, is, that, it, will come out this year but only in Korea.

That, was, mine, also, too. Very, likely. Mine, was, Yeah., announced, and, and, comes out this year and I don't think we see in the US till next year.

Yeah., And, it'll, be, like, limited, like, a thousand units something like that.

For, some, reason,, if you've, never, heard, us, talk, about, the trifold before and you don't know why it's

so, weird, as, well, is, the, way, it, folds. Um, and we got to see kind of a a picture of it closed from the top and because it folds where the so the this is always hard to convey audio.

So,, if, you, are, holding, your, phone, what, you're, going, to, do, is, you're, going to take the screen and flip it to the left and then that part is going to have to flip out one more time.

All, right? And, so, you, the, way, you, look, at, it, from above almost looks like if you took the letter the number six and like squashed it. So

the, letter, G. Yeah., Or, the, letter, G., It, looks, like, a squashed letter G. Um, and what that happens is on the back now, which we haven't seen before, is we have a triple camera setup very similar to like the

S20s, like, S25,, regular, S25s., Um,, and, when you're looking at it from the back, you have the the camera panel in the back on the left

then, the, front, screen, then, the, front, screen, on, the, right,, and then just a blank panel on the side of that because that is the screen that is kind of living on the inside of it.

Wait,, so, the, screen, is, in, the, center, you mean? Yes., The, center, of, the, back, when, it's open.

Yeah., Which, is, awesome, because, the Huawei Trifold, every time you open it you think you're going to break it.

Yeah. So, I, actually, think, this, is, this, is, pretty ideal. Yes,, I, agree.

Ideal, trifold, setup., Yeah,, I, can't, wait, dude. Oh my god it's, pretty, cool., What, I, want, to, know, is

can't, wait if, we're, going, to, Let's, assume, this, is the same thickness as the Fold 7, which is 4.2

mill, thicker. I, also, think, it's, going, to, be, thicker, but even still, just thinking of it as the the really thin new 4.2 thinness of like the opened Fold 7.

Sure. Now,, we, add, that, together, and, we're, at 12.6 mm thick. at closed, which is funny because that actually would fall between the fold five and the fold six in terms of thickness, which is kind of impressive. I thought it would have the original fold was 17 mm thick when

Oh, my, gosh, again,, that, phone, has, some, thick, thick, bezels, some thick dimensions, and that's fine.

Yeah., Yeah., So, but, that's, still, really, that's, still, a chunker phone. Yeah., Yeah., I'm, curious, about, it, cuz, I want to hold it, too. I want to like use it while it's closed. And I I think with a 10-in inside screen, you kind of have to go a little thicker to have more battery cuz Samsung's not doing silicon carbon.

So,, how, much, battery, do, you, get, to, fit in this phone? I don't know. Unless, they, moved, to, silicon, carbon, with that phone.

Maybe, with, this, low, volume, they, could., I don't know. They haven't done it in any other phones yet. So, I kind of don't expect battery in all three of the folds.

Yes,, definitely., So,, you, have, more, room for more battery, which is great. And you only need the compute in theoretically one of the three. Yeah.

Especially, because, normally, you, have, to add it into So when it's a folding phone, it has two batteries. One of them has a screen on the front and back and the other has screen and cameras on the back.

Now, one, can, be, all there's, a, whole, panel, that's, only, screen on the front now. So I wonder if that gives them more room to shove [snorts] battery in.

That, would, be, nice. Yeah,, that, would, be, nice. Be, cool. I, have, a, question, for, you, guys.

We, probably, don't, have, an, answer. Yeah, it's, more, of, a, speculation., How, many more times do you think they're going to tease this before it launches? multiple.

Okay., So,, they're, going, to, keep, going. Five. They're, going, to, keep, going, on, this path. So, right, it was just a glyph

that, was, the, animation. First, first, it, was, an, animation, that, was in like the system files within the Galaxy Fold 6.

No,, it, it, first, was, when, they, said, the cuz I remember a very funny story about this is in the beginning of the year when they announced XR at the Galaxy Unpacked event, they had this timeline. Yes.

And, in, the, timeline, there, was, just, a trifold that no one mentioned and we were That's what you're talking about with the glyph. Yeah

we, were, talking, to, our, VR, or, the, people we talked about cuz we did the Muhan

and, I, was, just, like, "So,, what, do, you, guys, think?, Like,, do you think that timeline's going to be accurate that you guys posted?" And like one of them was just thinking only about the headset like blah blah blah. And the one other guy was like, "Hold on, we don't know about that." And like very clearly saw me trying to prod out the tripod that nobody said anything about. So yeah, that's when we first saw it. Then yeah, it was like a new Android animation. Yeah, it was like an animation that was like in the system files of Android that someone had uncovered that showed the way that it unfolded

and, how, to, not, fold, it, the, wrong, way. Yeah., So,, if, I, continue, to, extrapolate and, you know, Samsung's now showing us the phone behind glass, but no one can touch it, I think then they're going they're going to have a small number of people go in and be able to point at it and probably just take pictures of it and then someone will be able to unfold it on video and then someone will be able to maybe make a whole review of it. They're gonna tease this out uh as

deliberately, and, slowly, as, possible because they've seen what happens when they maybe aren't so careful with their folding devices.

They're, going, to, give, us, that, IV, drip, you know. Yeah., I, was, going, to, say, remember, the Surface Duo embargo say that we're also going to ask about situation after this.

What, if, we, create, a, new, rule?, You, get one embargo per screen on your device. So, I would be okay if this has three embaros on it.

So,, the, Nintendo, DS, would, have, had, two. Yeah. One, embargo. I'm, also, just, joking., It, should, always be one embargo. Maybe an impressions and a release.

For, reference,, the, Surface, Duo, embargo situation, there was three embargos. There was one that was just you could talk about the thing at the event. There was one where you could review the hardware but not show the screen on which was insane. And then there was like the full embargo which came out on the day that people got their phones

which, was, where, you, can, review, the, rest of the phone. The, red, flags, were, very

that, was, such, a, the, clearest, red, flag, of all time because in the meantime we're testing it behind the scenes and we're like oh really buggy.

But, when, you, turn, the, screen, off, it's like stunningly thin and really really beautiful. And then the embargo says you're allowed to show off the stunningly thin and beautiful part but you can't show the software until people are already pre-ordering the thing. That was

I, think, it, was, the, day, that, they, got their devices. Like the day the premiers came in was the day that the actual review embargo lifted.

Okay., Yeah., Even, worse. So, many, red, flag. So, that's, that's, a, huge, red, flag, that still happens today by the way. Like there are lots of phones where I skip the first embargo because the first embargo is you're allowed to acknowledge its existence and then the second embargo is you're allowed to publish photos taken on its camera. And then the third embargo is you're allowed to unbox it. And then the fourth embargo is you're allowed to review it. and I just skip all of the first three because why would I participate in the free press and just wait until I review the thing?

So, yeah,, it, it, happens, to, this, day., It's kind of rampant. I think that's going to happen with this phone when people get in their hands to review. We're going to I'm going to try to get one anyway. I'm going to try to like source one through retail or Dbrand and whatever we can just to just to review the thing cuz it seems sick.

But, yeah,, I, guarantee, they're, going, to slow drip this thing. Yeah,, I, don't, mind, multiple, embargos, as long as the last one is before people can spend their money. at all agree.

That's, a, good, rule., Yeah,, that's, a, good rule. Speaking of spending money um me, if I were to bet money on trivia

but, uh, we, can't, do, that, according, to, the FCC. Um and, we, shouldn't, do, that.

I'm, just, joking., We, probably, could. Online, gambling, is, melting., By, the, way, speak speaking of gambling, I was I was at a party that the other night and they had uh they had poker tables

and, I, walked, in, like, a, big, baller, and, I played one hand and I won one hand and then I pieced the out and it was great. I was like, I'm statistically improbably up. So

casinos, hate, him. Yeah. And, I, made, casinos, hate, him. They, hate, this, one, rule.,

$37, baby. $37. I, got, three, aces. Nice. That's a crazy Wait,, you, sat, down, for, one, hand, and, and hold them and got triple aces.

You, can't, wait and, then, pieced. I'm, not, going, to, get, that, luck, again.

If, you, have, two, aces, and, then, there's one in the Oh,, okay. Or, the, river., Yeah., Or

when, I, got, I, think. Did, you, have, like, a, good, poker, face, the whole time? Like you sat down for your first hand holding two aces?

Yeah. And, you, got, a, an, ace, on, the, turn, and just How, did, you, not, take, everyone's, money? $37. There was a guy that tried to He was like 15 cuz the minimum bet was five and he he was like 15 and I was like okay

I, should, have, just, gone, all, in, cuz, it was a $100 buy in but whatever. That, is, hilarious., Well,, I'm, glad, it worked out. I was like all right I guess. Yeah, whatever. I mean I have aces so

well., You, know, it's, not, worth, 15 unless, you, give, me, 15, points, on today's, trivia, question., Yeah,, I'll think about it.

Okay., But, low, temperature, polyrystalline oxide or LTPO was, developed, by, Apple, when, they, were trying to get a more efficient OLED screen together.

Okay. Samsung, to, navigate, patent, law, actually developed their own similar technology which can be found in the S25 lineup. What is Samsung's version of LTPO called? It has a very silly name.

It's, a, great, question, and, I, didn't, know it. It's very, goofy., Very, silly, goofy.

Now, I'm, feeling, like, a, XP, pixels. I'll, think, of, it., I'll, I'll, I'll, think I'll think of a hint that doesn't give it all away. Marquez really bold.

He, already, wrote, it. Anyway, fan, edition. You, know, fan edition. Finally, a, tech, question, on, the, waveform podcast. Yeah,

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Not, a, sponsor. Not, a, sponsor., Um,, no., Basically, Teenage Engineering released a new sampler product called the Rhythm and Ting. Uh, getting major inspiration from Jamaican reae. Yeah. Yeah. It's on purpose. They collabed with a bunch of artists to like get custom sounds and samples in there from Jamaica and everything like that. Uh, also some of the proceeds go to Hurricane Relief, I believe, which is cool. Um, nice. [clears throat]

Yeah,, you, guys, had, questions., You, said, "What, is, it?" What, is, it? What, is,, it?, So,

what, is, it?, And, why, do, I, want, it, despite not knowing what it is? Everything, they, make, looks, like, a, fun toy. It's a It's a fun cool thing. Uh if you remember, I think last year or was it last year, early this year? I forget, but we interviewed on this very podcast someone from Teenage Engineering, one of the co-founders to talk about their release of the EP 133 which was a sample little box thing. Uh so this is also based on that platform. This is the Wait, checks notes, checks notes. The EP40. So the EP is just the platform that they have, which is this like box situation with a bunch of buttons, and they all kind of look the same. like they developed it specifically so they can make a bunch of different versions of these things with different sounds and looks and features and all that stuff.

So the first one was the EP133 that we spoke about during that interview a year ago. Uh the second one was the medieval one which was like when it launched I think everyone here in the studio was a little confused. We were like is this a joke or not?

Kind, of, was. It, kind, of, was., It's, like, it's, a, sampler box but with medieval sounds

in, it., Like, harps, accord, and, stuff. I, love, it. Yeah. I, own, a, harps, accord, by, the, way.

Nice., Good. Big, organ, guy. When, are, you, going, to, bring, it, in?, They had organ in there too, I believe.

Yeah, I, can, bring, it, in, whenever, you, want. What? I've, been, to, your, apartment., Where's your harpsacord?

It's, in, the, harps, accord. It, is, a, room. Yeah,, it's, at, my, mom's, house.

Oh,, okay., I, was, like,, it, took, me, a second to register cuz that's not like a small instrument. Fun fact, in high school I played harps accord and I played ocarina and I also played um digidoo.

Why, can't, you, play, a, normal, instrument? That, is, an, unreal three instrument.

I'm, imagining, like, the, those, like, uh street performers that have a bunch connected together and him having those three somehow.

Uh, dude,, you, would, have, crushed, with, the what's this one? Accordion., Accordion's too normal. He needs like harmonium like the like.

Yeah, that's, would, have, been, the, greatest oneman band of all time. I, was, a, special, type, of, hippie, in, high school. I'll tell you that.

David,, I'm, sorry., You, didn't, deserve that., I I, really No,, I, totally, deserve, that., Anyway, continue.

I, think, it's, cool,, David. Thanks,, Adam., Continue. Yeah., So,, this, EP40, is, their, latest installment of the platform basically which is has a bunch of like rhythm sounds and bass sounds. It has a new synth engine that they're calling super tone. And I think I believe you get like seven different synths in it, which is cool. That is something that the other versions did not have. So that is like purely new. But the coolest thing, the thing that you guys mentioned probably before we started recording, but it is the little like walkie-talkie device.

The, coolest, thing., You The, coolest, thing., Nice., Nice. What, is, the, like, trucker, radio, called, Ellis?

Like, the, always, on, like like, ham. Yeah., Yeah., Yeah., Like, this, looks, like the thing like if you're a truck and you're like breaker breaker or like a cop and Yeah. Yeah. It's like connected to the side.

Yeah., But, if, like, Fisher, Price, made, it. Yeah. Like, really, sick, Fisher, Price.

Yeah., Cuz, it's, like, multiple, colors. Fisher, Fisher, Price. So, basically, all, that, thing, is, is, a microphone.

That's, it. Yeah. It, has, certain, features., So,, for example, the I think if you guys listen to I think the most recent trivia extravaganza, Ellis had a section where he transformed his voice into a bunch of different things. That is something that this does. It has chipmunk sound. It has robot sound. It has just be being like a regular microphone, so you could like talk into it kind of like a walkie-talkie.

Then, there's, a, fourth, option, which, is like a lowfi version. So, it makes it sound like it's coming out of like a old radio kind of thing. It's pretty cool. And then the microphone also has two buttons that let you play for samples, I believe, like preloaded samples. So, the whole thing basically, it's not too much different than their last

two uh products, which is it's basically just a sampling machine. So,, you, can, like, a, theme

with, a, theme., Yeah., So,, they're, all, kind of the same. You can like if you have an older sampler machine, you can pretty much just load up all of these samples onto it for the most part, minus the the new synth. And they also have new loops that you can do on here. But for the most part, it's like you can just get these sounds anything. It's just the cool aesthetic of it. They all kind of match the the vibe for every individual.

Orange, green, is, so, good, on, like, the cream color. It's it's it is I, like, they're, running, with, these, new themes because even though they really set the bar for the style that they had with their old stuff, they had been doing that specific style for such a long time that it became a little bit like other people were copying them and it started to be kind of an old aesthetic and now that they're getting into the medieval stuff and the reggae style stuff like I think that it's cool that they're just like reaching out.

They're keeping their like identity in it with like these bits of orange, but then they when like normal teenage engineering is very like robotic. They're bringing in all these fun new fonts and like colors and like pictures on it while still keeping that like creamy with hints of orange and then adding another hint of some color and it's just

I, really, wish, I, was, Swedish, artistically talented. Agreed. I, mean, me, too.

Yeah,, same stuff. What is What does this thing do that the old EP133 does doesn't do? And what does the EP33 do that this doesn't do?

The, old, EP133, I believe does nothing different than this one. This new one has two new features. That is the Supertone synth engine and live looping, I believe, or looping something with looping. It's like a new looping mode that they have. So you can like play along with pre-loaded loops and stuff. Um, so they just like kind of built on top of what the EP133 already did. And the original EP133 also had like 64 megabytes of memory. This one has

128., So, it, has, double, that,, baby., A whole, 128., [clears throat] Taking, every, ounce, of, restriction, in, my body to not buy the $630 Bluetooth speaker.

Oh,, because, the, top, of, it, looks, Look, at this. It kind of looks like a battery. Like a car battery. That's so cool.

Don't, you, want, a, car, battery? Teenage, Engineering, is, like, one, of, those companies where everything they release has like huge fanfare and everyone loves them and then

a, whole, other, side, of, the, internet, that everyone hates it cuz it's like why is this thing so expensive because it's form over function?

Yeah., It's, [clears throat], just, like, a fun thing and they charge for that.

Yeah,, for, sure. They, have, a, $900, version, with, a, sticker on it. Sick. the little John Lennon.

They, have a, desk, that's, like, 2G's, or something like it's crazy. Yeah., No,, I, This, is, not

They, also, had, a, free, computer, case,, so they just mess around sometime. Yeah,, they, just, mess, around, and, do things.

Um, the, loop, thing,, it, says, a, live, loop performance mode, so it seems like you can loop live.

Mark, is, like, a, speaker, or, something. Um, Adam,, did, you, already, buy, the, the pack that comes with the rhythm ting and the bag? The bag is I did not get the bag. But I didn't get the bag cuz I already have a Teenage Engineering bag that Jonno got.

You're, the, bag, guy. I, know. But, I, have, too, many, bags,, bro., I'm trying to like cut back.

Bag, guy. I, specifically, got, the, the, version, that did not have the bag. Did, you, get, the, socks?

No., No,, I, didn't. $30, socks. $30, sock. That, ain't, bad., It, comes, with, two, pairs. Oh, no, it doesn't. Two pack.

Two, pack. Oh,, wait., No,, two, pack., No,, that, is, two pairs. Is, that, two, socks, or, two?

No,, two, pack., I, think, it, comes, with, two socks. Two, socks.,, A, two, pack, about, a two pack.

No, wait. No., No., It, comes, with Are, you, sure? Yes,, I'm, sure., It's, one's, green, and one's white.

Well,, yeah., Well,, yes., That's, two, socks. No., No., One, pair, is, green,, one, pair, is white. Look. Yep. Rhythm. Ting.

Rhythm., Ting. Okay. You, guys, really, think, a, two, pack, of socks is only two socks?

I, I, You, can, never, tell, with, Teenage Engineering. You can never tell. Yeah,, it's, hard.

Like,, you, call, it, a, pair, of, pants., You know what I mean? But it's one pant. It's pants.

It's, You, get, two, pants, legs,, but, they're connected. But you still call it a pair.

Yeah,, I, guess., I, don't, want, to, do, the sock argument any longer. I don't think I do.

I, kind, of, want, to, stay, in, the, sock argument. Two, pack, socks, containing, green, and white pair. That still isn't clear.

A, green, and, white, pair. That's, not, clear. A, green, pair, and, a, white, pair.

That's, not, a, green, and, white, pair., A green and white. You can count four socks cuz they have the names on. They have the different Cuz each sock

Oh,, you, have, to, scroll., We, have, to scroll. Okay, it is two pairs. Confirmed.

It's, not, clear, until, you, scroll through the pictures that you're getting because one picture of a green and a white sock could just be something quirky that they're doing.

And, then, it, says I, agree, with, that., I, did, [snorts], green and white pair, which could be a pair that is green and white.

It, should, say, a, green, pair, and, a, white pair if they want to be clear. That's, what, they, should, say.

If, they, want, to, be, clear. Anyway., Well,, yeah., This, is, uh, pretty much if you are at all paying attention to what Teenage Engineering has been doing with this platform, if you were a fan of the other ones, you would probably be a fan of this one. If it's not for you, then you're not going to like this one either.

You, already, own, the, other, one,, Adam? Yeah,, I, own, both, of, these., And, now, I ordered this one. So, I own all three.

I, want, it., This, is, like, the, first Teenage Engineering product I've wanted.

You, can, play, with, it., I'll, bring, it, in. And, yet,, you, sold, your, OP1.

I, did., I, sold, the, OP1, many, moons, ago. Miss it. Okay., Well,, speaking, of, green, things, um, Fairphone launched the green Fairphone 6 this year.

Nice. Wow. I, know., Pretty, green. Evergreen., And,, uh,, we, talked, about, it quite a lot, but Fairphone has traditionally only been a European brand and that's kind of been a bummer

right? I, did,, uh,, get, one, of, my, close, friends on a Fairphone very recently. I was very proud of her because she came from an iPhone. And

from, an, iPhone, to, a, fair, phone. Yeah,, I, know., It, was, crazy., That's, an amazing accomplishment. What did you do to sell this?

No., So,, it, was, amaz, So,, actually, what happened was that we I had just had a briefing with Fairphone about the Fairphone 6 being sent to us. And then she text me randomly and she was she sent me a link to the Fairphone 5. And she was like, "If I get this, then I can like offload I I don't have to deal with Apple anymore." And I was like, "Oh well, I'm getting a six." Anyway, it's incredible. And

I, have, never, heard, anyone, utter, that sentence. Yeah, she's complained about it a lot for sure, but I keep saying I won't be upset if you move back to your iPhone. She's like "No, I'm committed." She's committed. But the fun thing about it is that she broke one of the cameras and I was like "I'm, going to, get, you, a, new, camera.", And she's like "No, no, no. It's fine." And I said, "This is more for me than for you." Because

let, me, do, this. The, whole, point, of, this, phone, is, that you can order individual parts. I need this use case to be real.

Yes., So,, I, was, able, to, order, an individual camera module that I can replace. How much was the camera module?

Uh,, I, don't, know. Do, you, remember? No,, I, don't, remember. But, anyway,, the, news, is, that, they, are finally moving out of Europe. They are finally coming to the United States. So through Amazon, uh, at launch, they're going to be launching the Fairbuds XL which we talked about last year a little bit, but they have a new version coming out that apparently improves on everything. So, that's nice. Um

everything. Yeah., We, had, the, briefing., He, was, like, "It's better drivers, it's a better headband, it's more replaceable, it's" And they're not changing the name at all, which is interesting. They're just sort of improving everything and making them nicer.

Sure., So,, those, are, coming, out, uh, very soon on Amazon. And then also in the future, they will be launching the Fairphone 6 in the United States as well. They're in advanced talks with a lot of US carriers to actually get it registered on carriers. Wow.

So,, you, will, officially, be, able, to,, you know, put a SIM card in it and, you know, do that and maybe do EIM. So, I think that apparently they they the company grew 61% year-over-year this year, which means that people are really starting to be excited about their whole, you know, low um low mining movement and stuff like that, very repairability, movement,, at least, in Europe. And I think that there is a a similar kind of movement in the United States, although we are mostly dominated by iOS, so we'll see how that happens in the US. But either way, it's like exciting that you can finally officially buy this and not have to, you know import it and then kind of have it work on your carrier.

Yeah. I, mean,, a, lot, of, our, listeners, are, based in the US and they hear us talk about Fairphone, so now they might actually be able to.

Yeah., So,, that's, a, pretty, big, deal. I'm, really, curious, to, see, how, it, does because Yeah. Like Europe, it's

a, lot, of, Android, phones. Uh,, so, it's, like, a, bigger, pool, for, them to kind of dominate. That is not the case here. Although, it is growing. I guess

there's, a, growing, environmentally conscious uh swath of people in the I, mean, Ellis, is, very, environmentally conscious, but good luck getting him off of iOS.

Well,, exactly., His, his, way, of contributing to environmental protectionism is just never upgrading from his iPhone 12 mini

which, you, know,, he's, doing, his, part. Um, anyway,, so, that's, that, was, some, quick news. Also, we have a new Moto Edge 70 coming out, which is really dang thin only slightly thin, thicker than the iPhone Air

but, it, has, a, 4,800 mAh battery which, is, wild. That's, crazy.,, The, S25, Ultra has a 5,000 mAh battery. Wow.

Imagine, Marquez, like, in, a, cave, painting 48 mill 4,800 milliamp silicon, carve.

Silicon., Yeah, I, love, me, some, silicon, carp., This, is this is how you enable this form factor to actually be usable because this is what I was saying with the S25 Edge and the iPhone Air, which is like, okay they're super thin and they have obviously worse batteries because physics, but silicon carbon allowing you to get greater energy density in these smaller batteries. This is the thing that, would, make, it, usable, and, at least be less concerning to me that you could use the phone all day. And here comes Motorola of all people. 7 Moto Edge 70.

They go ultra thin. It is silicon carbon. Yes. And it is 4,800 mAh. So it probably has a bigger battery than the phone you're using now. The S25 Plus battery today is 4,900 mAh. So it's almost the same. So it's basically the same battery as a regular phone. Yeah. Love that. Yeah you know, I am still on team. Instead of making it thinner with the same battery life, just make it the same thickness with way better battery life.

Well,, those, phones, are, coming., Don't worry. Yeah,, don't, worry. That's, true., I'm, excited.

But, if, you, want, the, ultra, thinness,, that too can be Yeah., And, if, everyone, wants, to eventually make foldables, it makes sense to make things that are ultra thin now so that they can just adapt it to a foldable in the future.

Mhm., Um, when, I, was, writing, this,, I, kept, getting confused because it's, called, the, Edge,, which, to Motorola's credit, they've had the Edge name for a while. Yeah. It's been kind It's their been their flagship.

The, Razer, Edge, for, a, while,, too. Yeah., And, so,, this, makes, perfect, sense, but I kept writing Samsung Edge.

Oh. Or, I, kept, writing, Edge,, but, then, I, had to cuz, I, was, comparing, it, to, the, Samsung, which if you want exact thicknesses this is 5.99 millime thick. iPhone Air is 5.6 millimeters, and the Samsung Edge is 5.8 millime. Also batterywise, 4,800 milliamp hours on the Motorola Edge 3149 in the Air

3,900, in, the, Samsung, edge. Wow. Um,, so, it, is, doing, great, versus, all, of those. Um, despite being barely barely thicker, I think it's like

Yeah, less, than, a, millimeter. Less, than, a, third, of, a, millimeter, or like a third of a millimeter.

Um, but, so, we, haven't, gotten, one., There's some reviews up on it. There's two things I found interesting. For $920

which, is, a, lot, this, phone, is, apparently, just, cooked with bloatware and ads. It includes things like Candy Crush, Monopoly Pinterest, Co-Pilot, all pre-installed.

Nothing's, looking, pretty, good, right, now, not going to lie. Including,, that's, why, I, said, then,, like we'll talk about bloatware. Um including a ton of Motorola apps apparently. Wow. And then they also have ads in two different forms from what I've seen, which is one is a folder in the app drawer that dynamically recommends apps that you might want

that, you, don't, have, installed that, you, don't, have, installed. My, least, favorite, thing.

And, then, also, a, live, lock, screen., And according to the Verge, sometimes it shows links to articles, but about every fourth uh lock screen change is just a full screen teeu ad.

No,, way. So, for, that, is, crazy., for, like, a, $100 phone. It's $920 and you get this.

Not, the, the the, the, capitalist, nightmare phone. This is Marquez, is, your, still [clears throat and cough], thing, right now.

This, is, the, thing, about, Motorola., Like, I they've had a bunch of phones come out over the past couple years that are like they they they're a blip on the radar and we see them and we go, "Huh?"

And, then, we, just, kind, of, move, on., like they've been like strong in the budget space for a while and then every six to eight months they come out with a flagship and we go

h it's, not, really, hitting, like, they, they did an okay job here and it will kind of pass but like this is another version of and this isn't even a flagship uh like chip in this phone or a flagship camera in this phone. This is just a very thin phone.

It's, also, not, a, US, device. It's, a, Snapdragon, 7, Gen, 4., Uh, $900 something dollars

to, [snorts], just, I, mean, silicon, carbon is great but it's another their silicon garbage.

It's, another, like, weird, kind, of, miss from Motorola in the flagship space, but they are doing things.

They, had, to, pay, for, the, panone, color. That's, that, was, the, other, interesting thing I saw is I was like, is that panone swatch on the bottom of I don't think it's even a glass back, so I'm assuming the back's going to change colors very quickly.

And, this, is, a, panone, swatch., Also, they're, for, some, reason, obsessed, with this. Even I think like four or five years ago on the Razer, they were like this. They have this. We have a we have a phone in like black, white, gray, and the panone color of the year

bright, pink., And, it, was, like, a, whole, big deal that they could use the panone color of the year. And they've just been doing it ever since. As if anyone cares about the panone color of the year.

I, But, this, one, has, the, swatch, picture, on the back of the phone. They're, leaning, even, more, into, kind, of hard. It's kind

I, was, going, to, say, that, is, really, cool. You, have, to, explain, to, someone, why, you swatch on the back of your phone and you got to be like, "Oh, this is the panone color." and someone goes, "Well, what's that?" And you have to go, "Oh

this, would, be, so, funny, if, it, had, the same manufacturing flaws the 17 orange did, where the whole phone starts shifting color, but the panone stays exactly the same and you just can now see the difference."

It, would, also, be, funny, if, Motorola stopped paying panone and then it just turned black like it did in in Photoshop.

You, just, lose, access, to, the, color. That, would, be, crazy., Yeah., See,, they, did this last year. This was the panone color of the year. Mocha moose. And the year before was fiesta red.

It's, just, brown. Yeah,, it's, just, brown to, be, clear. But, it's, a, certain, hex, value, of, brown.

Yeah,, it's, a, special, brown, that, you, have to pay way too much for that, will, eventually, start, wiping, off

appreciate, it, and, no, one, else, can appreciate it like you. I, miss, old, Motorola.,

I, know, they're, still, dominating,, but like they're, still, dominating. It's, cliche, to, say, I, miss, the, old, insert whatever here, but old Motorola cooked for a while. They had the Droid obviously back in those days, but then they had like the Droid X and they had

that, sort, of Droid. Yeah., And, they, had, some, bad, phones, too like they usually do, but they had some good phones back in the day. Good stuff.

Well,, that's, the, thing., They, always, had like a bunch of options. So you don't Yeah. Moto X was a good one. Like you can get a budget good Motorola. You could get a really cheap crappy Motorola phone or like a top tier premium good Motorola phone. And then it just kind of like they just shifted towards budget for everything.

Now, it's, that's, all, one, phone,, baby., You get you get the top tier flagship and the disgusting budget experience all in one package.

Candy, Crush,, baby., Speak, real, quick. Speaking of like Google stuff that like that cuz we were this is kind of cuz it's Android. Um and we were talking about the Fairphone. I just want to make a one more observation about my friend who's been using the Fairphone.

Okay., She, was, like,,, she, was like, "Oh, and also like when I swipe to the left, it has like these Google article recommendations and they're like amazing." And I was like, "What?"

Yo,,, I, wish, I, was, that. I, was, like,, "Everything, it, ever My, brother-in-law, uses, them,, too."

I, was, like,, "Everything, it, ever, serves me is just like shovel wear like horrible articles." He's awesome. What are you doing? No.

I, stopped, using, the, OnePlus, phone because I couldn't turn that off. I was so upset. My brother-in-law uses no social media, so that's just where he gets news from pretty much. And so like, that's the same with her.

He, always, sends, me, stuff, and, he's, like, "Oh, I just saw it on the whatever."

She, she's, like, in, school, right, now, and she's been taking like these classes about um monkeys and apparently she's serving her a bunch of like different random chimpanzeee articles and she finds it interesting. That's cool for you.

Google, knows, a, little, bit, about, her. I, told, her, I, was, like,, "There, is, one Google engineer who is like, oh my god it's working.

It's, working.", The, engagement, on, this one note is through the roof. Yeah,, they, just, got, a, raise., That's, how

I've, got, one, more, thing, to, talk, about and I'll try and make it really fast even though it looks like I wrote a million things on it.

Soulja, Boy, but, it, is, new, Soulja, Boy, copyright infringement just dropped.

Tell, him. Um,, you, know,, sometimes, we, just, miss, the old days in like 2017. You miss the old Soulja Boy.

I, miss, the, old, tech, days, of, like, DxO Mark and screen to body ratios. And you know, sometimes you get something that reminds me of those days, which is Soulja Boy ripping off a fake gaming console and selling it for way too much money on his website.

He, did, it, again. He, did, it, again. Oh,, nice. And, I, just, have, to, say,

holy, crap. My, favorite, part, about, this, is, it's available at soldierboy.net

which, is, the, greatest, domain, name, that's ever existed. But, essentially,, this, is, uh, it's, called the Soldier Boy Flip for $436. Has a 5.5 in 1080p AMOLED screen. Snapdragon 865, 8 gigs of RAM, Android 13 for a premium retro gaming experience, active cooling, Wi-Fi 6, a 5,000 mAh battery, which also something called the Retroid Pocket Flip 2 does for $230 because it's

double, the, price. It, is, the, exact, same, thing,, including all of the product photos on souljaboy.net are the exact same thing. Souljaboy.net is a work of art. I just want you just for audio listeners, I just want to tell you one by one as I scroll down. on soldierboy.net what you encounter. The first thing you see is him with a screenshot flexing a watch on a live stream. Then you scroll down and there's a tour and shop button. You scroll down again, there's a device, the flip. You scroll down one more time and there's smart glasses.

Oh, boy. And, you, scroll, down, one, more, time, and there is just a Soulja Boy tell music video embedded for music. What? What? Why would you buy Soulja Boy smart glasses? Wait, there's he has a forum forum post

where forum, comments. Oh, no. But I, love, this, website, so, much. You, can't, click,, on, 404s., It says there's nothing here.

There, is, one, picture, that, is, not directly ripped from the Retroid website and that is a box that says Soldier game www.soldierboy.net as a sticker on a box. But if you look to the side, you can see the front of the box is the Retroid logo. So, it's literally being shipped in the same box with just a sticker on the side. Soldier game.

How, does, this, happen?, Like,, so, I sometimes I see this stuff and I'll see what looks like an obviously not very tech-savvy celebrity who like actually they got duped where like someone came to them and they were like, I have an idea. We can sell these this gadget with your name on it and your fans will love it. And then it's actually the celebrity that got duped. And this happened arguably with like um some other people with like crypto stuff and now with this Soulja Boy thing. Like I don't I don't understand how this

this, guy who's, online, and, knows, this this, time., I, can't, answer, that, for, you because I I agree. This kind of feels like a drop shipper paying a celebrity to help them drop ship.

It's, really, hard, to, do, this, when, you've done this already and got in trouble for it and it didn't

you, lose, the, benefit, of, the, doubt. It's, really, so, bad, to, sell, a, white, label product. But this isn't even this is like not even AliExpress drop shipped white label. This is like US company with a patent. He's buying putting a sticker on it. And that company has said we have the patents for this.

No, one, got, mad, at, Aston, Martin, when, they did it. I, don't, know, that, reference.

Look,, Google, Aston, Martin, sign cyg. I'm, sure, people, got, mad. It's, literally, a, It's, literally, a, It's, a rule. It's a Toyota IQ that they just put an Aston Martin badge on and sold it as an Aston Martin.

Did, they, buy, it, from, Toyota? Uh,, no., You, could, get, a, a, Toyota, IQ, at the same time. They just It was when the EU changed their fuel economy laws so that the you had to have an average MPG across your whole line.

Is, that, when, Volkswagen, got, in, trouble cuz they were lying? No,, this, is, separate., This, is, like, they needed to sell a really efficient car and all of Aston Martin's cars at the time were like these big V10 [clears throat] cars and anyway so yeah they just but but no one was like oh they're scamming people, you, know what, I, mean, so, why, come after Soulja

tell, me,, tell, me if, you, buy, the, Retroid, Pocket, Flip, 2 from Retroid it's $29 so it's literally half the price

but, maybe, you, want, the, Soldier, brand. No, but, the, Soldier, brand, is, just, a sticker on a sticker on the box. It's not even on the device.

Nothing, on, the, device, says, Soldier, brand on it. It's literally It comes in the box that he bought it from Retroid and then he put a sticker on the side.

I, think, I, think, we, live, in, a, world, where everything is just a white labelled something. So yeah, I'm I'm whatever.

I'm, even, white, label. I, told, my, cousin, to, buy, a, pair, of, Tozo earbuds this morning.

I, don't, know, what, that, is., You, must We're, too The, fact, that, the, company, who, makes, it is angry should probably

Oh, yeah., Yeah., They're, mad., They, said that he does not have permission to rebrand our sell them. Yes, Retroid has responded about this.

So,, this, is, not, an, official collaboration. Oh, yeah. I just assume that he he he bought a bunch from

Okay., I, was, wondering, where, all, that defending was. No, Retro said he does not have permission to do this.

That's, That's, cool., All right. I'm, pretty, sure, the, last, game, he, sold had to get taken down as well for the same thing.

You, know,, you, can, just, like, legally, do this, right? Damn., All right., [clears throat], Leave this all in, Adam. I need to Wow.

Okay,, cool., That's, enough, of, that. But, it, was, way, too, funny, and, reminded, me of the last time he did this.

Soldier, Boy,, tell, him, you, know,, uh, what, I'm, never, wrong, about, but, I, Please, open, this, with, a, uh

correction correction, from, last, year. It, kind, of, is, a, correction, from, many years ago, though. Many years ago, I gave you guys a trivia question, and I'm bringing it back. It's the same exact question because at that time, I got the answer wrong. Oh

and, I, think, I, corrected, it,, but, I, just want to see if you guys remember.

So,, what, was, Teenage, Engineering's, first product? Oh, the, exact, name, or, just, like, what, was, it?

What, was, it? Because, last, time, I, said, this,, I, gave the wrong answer. Someone from Teenage Engineering actually reached out, told me what it was. I then told you guys the following week.

I, sort, of, I, remember, I, want, you, guys, to tell me. I, remember, that, happening., I, don't remember what it was.

Yeah,, same., But, it, was, one, of, those, like you wouldn't know this unless you followed it back then type of lore.

Yeah,, but, those, people, who, followed. But, obviously, if, you, work, for, the company, you're well aware of that.

I, will, say, that, the, proof, that, this person gave me was a Tumblr page. So that's how long ago it was.

I, think, he, was, also, like, super, chill about it. Oh, yeah,, they, were, super, nice., He, was just like, "Hey, just a heads up. That wasn't our first product."

Interesting. Funny. Well,, once, again,, we, will, either, know the answer or we will relearn something.

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hi., I, have, a, little, trivia, game, for, you all. Um, the closer we get to Thanksgiving, the less news stories we get. So, I decided to create somewhat of a game.

Close, my, laptop. Oh,, can, I, close, my, laptop? Yep. No, laptops, are No, laptops., Oh,, snap.

Yeah,, buddy. So,, what, I, did, was, I, stole, a, category from Jeopardy. So, if you're a Jeopardy watcher, you may recognize this. It's called before and after.

Chef,, do, you, know, how, that, works? Yes. You, do?, Okay. I, do, not., So,, you, can, tell, me, if, I'm wrong on this, but I believe I have it already done. Um, if you are unaware of how this works, this category is a word puzzle where each question contains two clues that are connected by a shared word.

Oh,, man. Um,, I, pulled, a, couple, examples, from Jeopardy. I didn't do tech examples here because it took me a really long time to think of these.

So,, I'm, going, to, tell, you, two, Jeopardy examples as an idea of how this works. So, old cat and mouse team who throws chairs at each other during a daytime talk show. The answer would be Tom and Jerry Springer.

Say, that, again,, David. Kelly. No., So,, so, ready?, You're, going, to, get two clues.

And, the, answer, for, it, is, two, words connected by a shared word. And the way you tell me that answer is not by saying the shared word twice.

So,, I'll, give, you, another, example., Paul McCartney's Bond theme plays as Bruce Willis fights off bad guys at Knock Die Hard. Correct.

Great, job. You, guys, are cooks., Pop, culture, references. And, I, don't, know, anything, about, pop.

No,, no,, no., It's, not, this., I, made, all the questions tech. Those were just the examples. Okay, great.

Okay,, cool., Cool. So, um,, like, I, said, teams. Yeah,, it's, you, and, me. It's, Marquez, and, David, versus, Ellis, and I have Adam.

I'm, going, to, one, I'm, not, as, creative, as Jeopardy. So they make the the sentences and phrases very minor just like blank and blank and you create the word. Um and I have two clarifying rules that I'm sure will be asked. Uh

nothing. One, of, them, is, uh, both, of, these, kind, of are rules because of how annoying tech companies are naming things. [clears throat]

We, all, know, that., Um, my, first, is, as, long as the pronunciation is the same I'm count it can be the linked word. Example lift and lift. So like lift the company with a Y and lift. I will count those as the same connected word. Okay.

My, other, one, is, a, lot, of, companies, like to put two words together as one.

I, will, allow, those, individual, words inside of a singular name to be the word. So if I use the example a web and native whiteboard app and what Jeff Bezos is the chairman of at Amazon, the answer would be Google Jam Board of Directors.

Holy, smokes., It's, just so, Don't, worry, like, this. Alice,, how's, your, back?

Wow. Cuz, you're, going, to, be, carrying us, my guy. I, really, hope, I, did, a, good, job, because, I I feel like there's a lot of

There's, a, lot, of, potential, here., Um, I'm so bad at this in actual Jeopardy. It's like

Okay., Um the couple last couple rules I'm going to say 60 seconds to give me a final answer.

Okay., So,, like, writing, it, down? No,, you, guys, are, going to, say, So,, the way I want it is I want you to discuss with each other since you're on a team. Oh,

I'm, going, to, do, turns, though, where so, what, do, you each, each question they, can't, hear, us, right, now

to, make, it, fair, each, question, is, worth two points. I'm going to go in turn. If you don't get it, it can get passed to the next team, but they'll only get one point if they get it right cuz they got to hear all of your deliberation.

I, see. So,, I, want, you, to, discuss, it, during these 60 seconds because this is still a podcast and it has to be interesting.

How, do, we, discuss, it, without, the, other team hearing? No, you can hear, but they when they steal it, they'll only get half credit for the point.

Exactly. So,, that's, my, way, of, trying, to, comment cuz I don't want you guys to be like don't let them. I want it to be a podcast still.

Okay., [clears throat], So,, I, have, an, even amount of questions and I have a tiebreaker question just in case.

Okay., What's, our, team, name? I, was, going, to, go, with, Marquid,, but I'm, in.,

Hey,, roll. Can, we, do, team, meat? Team, meat because, it's, just, team, backwards., So, team meets.

Yeah., And, it, also, stands, for, Molina Ellis Adam team team, the, Molina, Ellis, Adam, team.

There, it, is. Team, people, meet.com. Yeah. Team, Te, team, farmers, meet, farmers, only.

All right., I, have, one, more, clarification because some of these were so hard to do.

Mhm. Every, question, has, at least, one, tech thing. There's a couple pop culture references in there. They're all fairly easy and I tried to make them techreated.

Okay., Sabrina, Carpenter., Spongebob. Okay. Okay., Who would like to go first?

I'll, let, you, two, decide. Theoretically,, it, doesn't, matter, who goes first points-wise because even questions,

correct? I, feel, like, they, can, go, first,, right? Yeah. Okay., We'll, let, host, go, first.

Yeah., We'll, go, we'll, go, clockwise. Again,, I'm, just, going, to, re, reiterate the rules. Don't say the linked word twice. Say it as one phrase.

Right. And, then, you, have, 60, seconds., I'll, I'll tell you when you're almost done.

I'm, ready., Okay., So,, question, number one. H an, announced, but, never, released, home device and a Christmas movie from 1990 whose plot would never work in today's technology.

Bixby, Home, Alone. Yeah,, Bixby, Home, Alone. But, it's, Galaxy, Home,, right?, Is, it, name of the

Galaxy, Home, Alone? Samsung, Galaxy, Home, is, the, name, of, the product, right? Yeah.

Okay., And, it's, Home, Alone. Wait,, what, was, the, movie, again?, Say, it again.

A, Christmas, movie, from, 1990, whose, plot would never work with today's technology.

Home, Alone. So,, I, think, it's, so Samsung, Galaxy, Home, Alone. Yeah. All, right., Samsung, Galaxy, Home, Alone. Final answer.

Yeah. Yeah. Let's, go. Not, Home, Alone, 2., Was, that, from, 199, New, York? The, Lost, in, New, York.

Can, I, get, that? That, was, good. That, was, good. I'm, glad, I, knew, the, movie, cuz, I, usually don't know the movie.

Yeah. Damn. I, tried, to, make, the, pop, culture references not too crazy, but some of them it's hard to link a lot of names when every product device just ends in a number and it's really hard to link a number into another tech product.

You, know what, weirdly, gave, it, away, for me? What?, I, it, is, burned, into, my, brain, that Home Alone is came out in 1990 because of how many bar trivia questions are. This8s movie uh did not actually come out in the8s.

Oh yeah., [clears throat], This quintessential '8s movie. Best, Christmas, movie.

Else, and, I, have, slated, bar, trivia, before by the way. It, is, true. Okay., A, Siribased, smart, speaker, and, the port mento of iPad and broadcast.

Homepod. What, is, a, portmanto? Oh,, I, get, it., HomePod, mini., Wait,, port mento of what? Of broadcast and

iPod. iPod. A, Siribased, smart, speaker, and, the, port mento of iPod and broadcast

home., Wait,, uh, this, the, Siri, smart speaker. So it' be like home, podcast., Home, pod, procast., Home, pod pro.

Homeod. You, just, got, to, give, me, a, final, answer on that. I can't clarify.

It's, definitely, one, of, those. It's, HomePod., Apple, HomePod., Yeah. Wait,, we, read, that,, too.

Very, nice. Yeah,, good, job. I, still, I, blanked, out., I, don't, know, what we just answered.

Port, manto., Yeah,, that's portmanto., Like, a, port, wine. I, don't, know what, a, port, manto, is., So that's when you smash.

I, put, that, in., I, know, Ellis, has, used that word in trivia before. Yes, that's, true.

All, right., Ready?, Marquez, and, David. My, toe, is, black, from, hiking, so, much.

You, should, get, that, checked, out., I, could show it to you. How, is, that, not, a, soundboard?, You, should get that checked out.

Okay. All, right., Ready? Yeah., [clears throat] Microsoft's, cloud, service, and, the documentary that got Americans interested in the most technologically advanced motor racing.

Okay., The, doc, the, the, documentary, the, F1 documentary is called Drive to Survive

and, it's, Azure. Azure, Drive., What, is, it?, Is, it, Azure Drive? Can, you, say, the, first, one, again?

Microsoft's, cloud, service. Cloud., Microsoft, Azure. I, got, it. Oh,, one, drive, to, drive, to, survive.

I, got, to, stop, writing, this, down. Microsoft, One, Drive, to, Survive. Microsoft One Drive us.

Yes., Microsoft, One, Drive, to, Survive. Damn, it. Yeah. Maybe, you, don't, need, 60, seconds,, but we'll keep going.

We, need, 60, seconds. One, of, the, worst, Microsoft, operating systems and a website known for selling custom business cards and other marketing materials.

Oh,, what?, I, have it's not one, of, the, Vista, Print, Windows, Vista Print. Yeah,

correct., Sorry., I, have, a, button. We, have, used, Vista, Print, in, the, past.

Yeah, I, regret, to, inform, you. Wait,, did, you, say, it, was, bad?, Vista Print.

No,, I, said, No,, it's, one, of, the, worst Microsoft. Gotcha., Gotcha., Vista, Print, is, kind, of dope.

All right,, cuz, in, my, head, I, was, like Windows 8. Yeah,, that's, that's, why, I, said, one, of, I, didn't, want

I'm, being, okay., These, seem, easy., I, hope they get harder. I was worried these would either all be way too easy or way too hard.

All, right,, Marquez, [snorts], and, David. Ready? Mhm. Mark, Haven. Mark, Haven.

Team, name, team. The, third, bestselling, non-bundled, Wii game and the 2020 MKBHD phone of the year.

Oh, I know it. I know it. I know it. Start, that, countdown, so, I Mario, Kart,

Mario, Kart, was, probably, the, first, best non bundle Wii., You, said, Wii, game., Come, on,, baby.

Wait., Stop., Stop., Stop., Okay., So, was, it, Wii, Sports, Resort? Wii, Sports, was, was, bundled.

That, was, bundled., What, about, Super, Smash Bros. Super, Smash, Bros., Brawl?, So,, what, was your what was your phone of the phone? I'm trying to think back to 2020.

I, think, it, was, the, Galaxy, S20, FE. I, think, if, I, go, back, far, enough,, S22, or S20? Let's go with Samsung Galaxy S20 FE. [snorts] Uh,

third, bestselling. 40, seconds left. No, no. At 40 seconds. Super, Smash, Bros., Brawl., Um,

what, else? Third, bestselling, Wii, game, that, was, not bundled. S20., What, was, S?

No, idea. Oh, Wii, Sports, Resort, or Give, it, to, me. Wii, music. Give, it, to, me.

I, have, no, idea., I, don't, know. [clears throat], The, third, bestselling non-bundled Wii game.

It's, Super, Mario, Galaxy, S20, Ultra,, baby. So, close. What?, He, said, it, out, loud.

There's, just, no, point., for, Mario, Galaxy S20 FE. You, said, times, up. Yeah,, I, know., But, you, said

you, got, it, wrong. S20, Ultra as, opposed, to, FE. I, said, S20, FE and, Marcus, said, it, out, loud.,

I, didn't, think, an, FE, would, ever, would Ultra was a very bad I am. So, do you I just had to sit there and listen to them not remember. They said the word Galaxy and Wii game like you can't give.

You, can't, give, me, the, points, for, that. Incredible., And, I'm, glad, it, sold, well. And I'll also say like that's a good way of of taking this is like you guys had one that you were sure of. So how do you then link that into something else? Because you know

I, was, like, I, should, have, thought, about Galaxy. I, was, really, surprised, you, didn't, when Marquez said Galaxy S20 FE and then I'm surprised.

The, reason, I, picked, 2020, is, cuz, Ultra's won so many times. Did, you, know, that, Super, Mario, Galaxy, was a game?

Yeah,, it's, an, amazing, game. I, knew, David, knew, it., I, thought, this, was a perfect David Marquez question. There were definitely people in the comment section like

me., Me., Is, this, how, it, feels, when, you guys beg me for points? Cuz I'm I'm pretty hot right now.

Yeah., This, is, why, people, are, always, like David takes this too seriously.

God,, that, was, 60, seconds, of excruciating. What's, going, to, be, that, is, possibly, the best Wii game.

It, is, so, good. I'm, a, little, worried, this, next, one's going to be hard, but it feels this to me that felt like an a Marquez David question. This feels like an Adam Ellis question.

Excuse, you., All, right,, team., But, they got 60 seconds. Teammate. Team., Okay.

Teamate. The, acronym, BIOS, and, a, folder, you, should never delete. System, 32. Is that the folder? The acronym like

BIOS. My, brother. What?, B, I Bro,, you, send, us, acronyms, all, the, time. That, is, stand.

It's, canon, that, I'm, annoying., Okay. Everyone, loves Bio, system., Is, it, like, bin B O S

Can, I, ask, Gemini? No. No., B, Oerating, system, 32., It's, the, It's something something operating system 32 right? Or is it 42?

Bit, integer, operating, system, 32., People are yelling at us. Let, me, know, when, for, final, answer, and I'll

Is, it, 32, or, 42?, 42., I, don't, know. That's, true. I, hate, Windows, so, much., David just said it earlier in this episode. I feel like

David, didn't, mention, how, much 5, seconds. Five, seconds. I'll, let, you, answer.

I'll, let, you, take, it. Is, the, first, word, bin? Okay. Okay., Before, we, say, before, we, say, it, let's just cuz we can talk for a second.

How, long, you, starting, the, timer, again? If, they, get, one, syllable, off,, you, can't.

Oh,, no., No., They, have, to, get, the, very specific. I think it's clearly operating system cuz it's system 32. Yeah.

The, question, is, what, does, the, B, and, the I stand for? Isn't that when you boot up? Isn't it like the BIOS is when you first boot up? So, is it something like boot up something operating system

or, is, it, like, boot? I'm, sorry., We're, going to, get, flamed, so hard by Windows users.

Every, tutorial, I've, ever, watched, is, like collapsing inwards on itself. I, mean,, we, all, know, what, the, BIOS, is like when you boot into the BIOS. But like when have we ever had to know what BIOS stands for? I don't

what, we, wrote, was, binary, integer operating system. I don't think that's right. So I have to think a little more.

Boot. I, swear, to, God, if, you, give, it, to 20, seconds., It's, very, it's, it's literally could be nothing else.

System, is, short, for binary bin, bin., But, I, don't, know if, it's, bin. Bios.

All, right., 5, seconds. Binary, integer, operating, system, 32. All right., Damn., Thank, god.

Yeah., We're, going to, get, flamed., Basic input output system 32. Basic input output system.

That's, what, BIOS, stands, for. Huh., Well, I, don't, think, I, knew, that. I, don't, think, I, knew, that.

I, don't, think, I, knew, that, either. Which, makes, me, feel, stupid., They, don't teach you that in computer science. I'll tell you that.

I, didn't, take, computer, science. It's, not, in, my, hippie, school. I've, just, broken, a, lot, of, phones.

I, booted, into, plenty, of, BIOSes., I've never seen basic infinite. I, did, a, lot, of, vector, calculus, and

No,, you, guys, should, be, winning, cuz, you stole one. No,, we, didn't. Or, you, didn't., Okay., No,, then, you're tied. We're tied.

It's, two, two. Okay,, I'm, going, to, kind, of, give, a, hint here, but not really, but only because I sort of messed the question up, but I still want to use it.

Okay, the, linked, word., One, of, them, uses, the plural, one of them uses the singular. I'll accept

either, way, you, say, it. Okay. I, I, don't, think, that's, too, much, of, a hint. All right. Ready?

Yeah. This, is, Marquez, and, David. Uhhuh. One, of, Google's, many, killed, services, and the quote internet's phone book.

The, internet's, phone, book, is, wicked. Wait, no. Yeah,, I, thought, the, same, thing.

Internet's, phone, book. http. I, got, it. Oh,, DNS., DNS. But, this, is, like, something, with, a, plural or a singular.

What, is, the, first, part, of, that,, Andrew? One, of, Google's, many, killed, services.

What, does, DNS, stand, for? Domain, name, system. Domain, name, system., Google, domains, got killed. So, Google domain name system. That would that would be it. Google domains got killed and domain.

Google, domain, name, system. Yes., Yes. Final, answer., Google, Domains, name system.

Yes., Damn, it., Fire., That, was, a, good, one. Watch how we get that one. We got system fair.

That, was, good. Okay. There's, just, so, many, cool, there's, so many Google services to choose from.

Yeah,, they, did, kill, it., Now, I, have, to pay. Okay., You, Squarespace. Did you know that the week that we changed mkbd.com, we were on Google domain, we were on Squarespace for forever and I was finally like, you know what? Let's change Google Domains once and for all and then we switched and they were like

oh,, this, still, exists, and, they, killed it. Yeah, they sold it. Terrible. Yeah.

Okay., Okay. Yeah. Adamella's, I, mean, team, me., Sorry. Thank, you. Okay., Team, me, finally.

Google's, magnetic, technology, and, a social media app with a spooky logo. What, is, pixel, Snapchat?, God,, I, was literally so easy.

I, can't, believe, Ellis, got, pixel, snap that quick. I, mean,, quick. Yeah,, I, had, that,, too.

Spooky, logo., We, didn't, even, need, the, timer. Okay,, this, one., I, think, these, next, two are potentially a little harder.

Okay. An, all-in-one, productivity, app, and, an app that destroys productivity.

Allin-one, productivity. Okay,, so, these, are, actual, app, names. So, an all-inone productivity app is like

all, in, one. Yeah,, but, it's, probably, multiple. An, app, that, destroys, productivity,, which would be

social, media., Tik, Tok. Tik, Tok., Tick, tick., Oh,, an, allin-one. Oh, productivity, app, being, tick, tick., And

tick, tick, tock. Destroying, productivity, being, Tik, Tok., I like that. Tick, tick, tock.

Tick, tick, tock. Tick, tick, tock. Yeah,, let's, go, to, tick, tock. Hey,, nice.

That, was, good., This, is, a, fun, game. We, got, there. Yeah, I, like, this, game.

Okay., Tik, Tok, is, not, an, all-in-one productivity app, by the way. It's, literally, how, it

couple, in., It's, a, couple, in, one. Yeah, I, took, it, all. I'm, sure, that's, how, they, market, this literally. You Google it, it says tick tick, your all-in-one productivity app. It is straight in there.

Define, all. Team, me. Team, me. You, never, said, Marit, again. Sorry., I, will, try, and, remember.

Okay. Ship, name. The, subject, of, the, most, organically viewed MKBHD video. organically.

And, a, product, that, appears, twice, on Marquez's desk. Yeah. Um, the, most, organically

Oh,, is, that, it? Twice, on, my, desk. Two, speakers. No,, wait., What's, the, most, organically viewed? I was just looking at this yesterday for a a deck.

No, I, have, no, idea. Okay., But, is, that, kind, of not, vision, pro?, The, way, you, phrase, it. Yes.

Cuz, you're, you, by, organically, you, mean retro. There's, a, retro, tech., That's, number, one. Yeah. And there's another one.

Actually,, no,, this, is, higher, than, that. It's at 30 seconds, by the way. Phrase, the, [snorts], first, part.

Two, of I'll, phrase, it, again, for, you, if, it comes. It, has, to, be, pro. Do, you, want, me, to, phrase, the, question again?

The, subject, of, the, most, organically viewed MKBHD video and a product that appears on Marquez's desk twice. You have 15 seconds. Apple Vision Pro Display XDR.

My, god, that, was, nice., Alice, we, [clears throat], got, there., I, just want you to know I was almost tricked by that one.

That's, That, was, hard. Okay. Okay., Go, to, the, top., I, have Yeah,, I, think, this, is, tiebreaker.

Two, more, for, each, of, you, and, then, a tiebreaker. Okay,, let's, go,, baby.

Mark, David. Yo,, thank, you.,, Thank, you. An, app, to, hire, a, same, day, handyman, and, a barely reviewable AI assistant to

Rabbit., Oh,, it's, Task, Rabbit. You're, literally It's, just, Task, Rabbit. Task, Rabbit.

Rabbit, R1., Task, Rabbit, R1. Yes, I'm, trying. That was pretty good. What, are, you, talking, about?

No,, that, was, good. I, went, to, Handy., Handy's, an I'm, a, little, worried, this, next, question more favors Marquez. And

last stop but, now, it's, their, turn., So,, let's um, I'm, just, making, sure, I, keep, score. Okay.

Okay. Ready? Ready. The, third, version, of, a, popular, handheld gaming console and a vibrant smartphone user interface.

A, vibrant, smartphone, user, interface., So, Samsung 1 UI and third handheld, console., I, don't, know, a, single

the, third, version, of, a, popular, handheld gaming console and a vibrant smartphone user interface.

Okay., Steam, Deck. Is, he, talking, about, 3DS? DS, but, the, 3DS, is, the, fourth, iteration, of that console.

So,, maybe, it, can't, be, though., My, god. The, third, is, the, DSi., Is, there, any, like Android?

It, is, iOS., [clears throat] You guys can't look at me for like hands on it. The, third, version, of, a, popular, handheld gaming console and a vibrant

smartphone, user, interface. Is, there, one, that, like, starts, with Switch? Like

is, there 15 seconds left? We, about, to, dub. I, kind, of, want, to, go, with, DSIOS,, but, I'm I feel like that's wrong.

I, don't, know, cuz, thriving, is, what's killing me. I don't know what vibrant

smartphone does that mean. How, much, time, they, got, left? There's, one, UI., There's, Harmony.

The, answer, is, Game, Boy, Color, OS. What, is, Color, OS? It's, the, OPPO, operating, system., Oppo skin.

Oh, yeah, I, was, just, watching, a, video, about colorless this morning. I'm so mad I didn't get that.

That's, so, good. Wow., [sighs] Combo, breaker. That's, huge, for, the, program.

Game, Boy, Color, was, the, third, version. Yeah, cuz Game Boy Game Boy Pocket.

No,, Pocket, was, not, Game, Boy, Advance. No,, no,, it, was, No,, no,, you're, right. Game Boy, Game Boy Pocket. If you wanted to try and be a little specific, there was a Japanon Game Boy Light that came out the same year as the Game Boy Color.

I, was, not, trying, to, be, that, specific. The, Game, Boy, Color, is, the, third iteration of the Game Boy.

Okay,, fine. Hell, yeah,, baby. Let's, go., My, I, can't, even, buy, an, Apple., I, I, thought both of those were it was pretty easy to get color.

Yeah,, I've, never And, then, you, get, to, We, talk, about, color OS pretty often on the podcast.

It's, It, at, times, has, been, part, of, Realme and uh OnePlus like Touch Wiz Oxygen Color OS.

When, you, said, vibrant,, I, was, thinking like one of the super popular ones.

I, thought, vibrant, was, a, a, pretty, good way to just me. It's another way of saying color pretty much. Um, okay.

I, thought, whatever. All right., Mark, David. Okay., Don't, worry,, Ellis., This, one, feels up your alley and it's for them, so we'll see. Okay.

The, official, name, for, the, worst, product Marquez has ever reviewed and an American wireless prepaid service provider.

Humane, AI, PIN. Prepaid, is, is, a, is, US, wireless, and any, prepaid. Wait,, say, the, second., Say, the, whole thing again. the official name for the worst product Marquez has ever reviewed and an American wireless prepaid service provider.

Um,, an, American was, the, worst, product, the, Humane, AI, pen or was that the Fisker?

Fisker, was, the, worst, car., The, Humane, AI pin was the worst product dot dot dot for now.

Okay. But, I, feel, like, it's, still, the, worst product. Prepaid, is, sing, there's, a, singular. There's Boost Mobile.

Mhm. There's, um So, do, any, of, them, start, with, pin? Oh,, hold, on., I, will., Okay,, I'm, going, to redo this and give you 30 seconds since you got to try because

realized, I, messed, up, a, part, of, the question. The answer is still 60. I'll, give, you, 45, cuz, you've, forgotten, to talk about half of it. Okay, ready?

Okay. The, [clears throat], official, name, for the dumbest product Marquez has ever reviewed and an American wireless prepaid service provider.

Dyson, headphones., The, Dyson I, don't, remember. Wait,, what, was, the, name, of, the, Dyson headphones? The

I'll, give, you, the, full, 60, seconds, since it was that different and both of you seem to change.

What, was, the, name, of, the, Dyson headphones? I'm, trying, to, think, now., Okay,, so, this is the Dyson.

Think, of, the, wireless, providers., I, guess there's singular. Oh,, something, boost., It, was, definitely something boost.

Was, it, something, boost? Dyson. Dynaboost, or, something. Why, is, D, attack, in, my, head?, That's, not it.

Yeah. Dyson, headphones, had, a, name, and, Dyson [clears throat], headphones, were, called

Was, it, Boost, something? V V., They're, vacuums., Voost. Oh,, I, don't, know, that., Wait., Okay. Prepaid services are

20, seconds, left. Boost, Mobile., And, what, else? Mint. Mint. US, Singular, and, US, Mobile.

It's, not, US., That's, not, Boost., Okay., So, Dyson. Dyson. 10, seconds. Boost., Air, Boost.

Dyson, something., Boost, Mobile. Need, an, answer. I'm, just, We're, just, going, to, say, Dyson Boost Mobile.

Yeah. All, right., Starting, [clears throat], your timer, dude. Air, boost. Super

Dyson. Super Vuke. It's, funny, because, I, don't know, if that's a hint or not.

Don't, say, anything. I'm, so, proud, of, this, one, coming, together because it was not easy to put together. But at the same time

headphones, what, were, they, called?, This, isn't, the one with the face mask. This is the second one you said.

I'm, not, answering, that, question,, but, it is the one with the face. Oh, it is the one with the face. Okay.

If, you, got, the, linked, word,, you, would almost automatically know the other one. It's not [sighs] Metro Boost Visible Mint. What are the other There's another cheap one. I don't know the It's definitely not boost cuz we would have

I'm, really, hoping, there's, a, a, big, sigh after blade 15, seconds. What, is, this, one?, Mint.

Mint, visible, boost. The, Dyson, invisible. Dyson, in, I, don't, know. 5, seconds.

I'm, I'm, stumped., You, got, me., I'm, going Dyson invisible. Damn it. It, is, the, Dyson, on, track, phone, wireless.

A, track, phone. On, track, on, track, is, the, name, of, the product. O, T, R, A, C, and, track, phone, is, T, R, A, C, F, O N.

That's, a, good, one., I've, never, heard, of that wireless service though. I, did,, know, about, the, wireless provider.

No,, Track, Phone, is, the, wireless provider. On, track, is, the, head. I, forgot, that, it, was, called, the, on track. on track.

On, track, is, called, the, on. We, are, getting, uh, toast. I, think, we, should, look, at, Andrew's FanDuel account just to make sure off this page.

All, right., This, is, for, Adam, and, Ellis. Okay. Mhm. And, this, is, this, is, a, Marquez, and, David question. I feel like

it's, fine., I've, got, right., That's, what they're going to get right. a 2013 self-healing smartphone and a 2018 smartphone that sounds like it needs healing.

Okay., The, LG, Glex was the first one in 2013. He's, talking, about, the, Flex, Pie., The, LG G Royal Flex Pie.

The, L, LG, Flex, Pie. I'm, going, to, ask, for, the, final, answer, but remember how this has to work.

How, does, it, have, to, work? How, the, phrase, has, to, work., So, they, have it has to be like

a, linked, word. A, linked, word. You, said, you, you, said, it's, the LG, Glex., Was, that, what, it, was, called?

G, Flex, Pi and, then, the, Royal, Flex, Pi. Royal Flex Pie. I think it was the LG Flex straight up from 2013. I don't think it was Glex or was it Glex? Ah, damn. I can't remember.

I'm, going, to, let, you, see, the, video, with Marquez with a razor just say, something., I, wasn't, alive, in, 2013.

Adam,, you, should, give, an, answer, in, 10 seconds. The, LG LG, Royal, Flex, Pie.

Yeah, the, LG, Royal. No,, not, that., You, say, something., I, don't understand the rules.

But, you, just The, LG Flex Pie. So, close. Damn, it. Adam, Adam, said, it, like, three, times.

You, did, say, it. The, LG, Glex, Pie. Damn, it. Yeah., Yeah. You, just, didn't, have, to, say, royal, is what I was trying to like. And you had to say G.

Yeah,, you, had, to, say, G,, which, didn't, do because, it, was, the, G, Flex.

It, was, the, G, Flex,, which, LG Gam, had., And, then, you, said, the, G, Flex Royale Pi.

Super, Mario, Samsung, Galaxy, FE20. You, said, Ultra., You, said, Ultra. You, said,, you, didn't, say,

but, Samsung, is, in, between, Super, Mario and I, didn't, say, it's, just, the, Galaxy, S20 FE. So, you just

roll, back, the, tape. The, LA, It, didn't, work, for, you, the, last time we rolled back the tape. Alice

you, give, us, the, points., Yep. Okay,, we, got, that's, a, steel, point., Yeah,

that's, a, steel, point., Okay, that's, it., We, lost. There's, two, more, questions, and, I'm, doing the tiebreaker either way, but

damn, it, Mark, Haven., Thank, you. Yes. The, 2016, version, of, a, bezelless smartphone and a Twitch competitor that didn't last very long.

Oh,, I, got, this. What, was, the, Twitch, competitor?, It, was Wait,, no,, I, can, do, the, the, phone, though.

Okay,, I'll, do, the the, phone., 2016, upstairs. Oh,, the, first, one., No,, no,, it's, the, one with the the fat chin. It's the Microsoft.

Um,, okay., It's, either, the um uh Microsoft uh, the, Sharp, Aquos. What, was, the, second, thing?

It, was, the a, Twitch, competitor, that, didn't, last very long. The, one, after, the, the, Xiaomi, Mi, Mix Mixer.

Mixer., Xiaomi, Mi, Mixer. Xiaomi, Mi, Mixer. Xiaomi, Mi, Mixer. Yes. Yes., I, didn't, know, either, of, those things.

I, know, phones., That's, the, one, thing, I know. That was crazy. Okay. Okay. I, think, you, guys, have, this, one,, but, this one's insane.

Perfect. I'm, pretty, proud, of, this, one. Let's, hear, it. And, I, hope, I, I, hope, I, did, it, right. Okay.

Yeah,, these, are, good. These, are, good., Andrew, ready? Yeah. The, last, version, of, a, poorly, named wireless headphone before the design change and a location-based social network that helps discover new places.

Before, the, design, change., It's, the, Oh, you're going to make me say the whole headphone name.

It's, a, poorly, named, wireless, headphone. It's, four, square, and, it's, the, Samsung. It's the Samsung thing with a million letters that no one can ever remember.

It's, not, the, Sony, one. This, is, lit., Yeah., No,, it's, the, Sorry. Sony one.

Sony, WH100XM3s. No,, it's, the, four, and, then, four, square is the connecting word. I don't

Sony, WF100XM four square. Is, that, your, final, answer? Sony, WF1000XM WH. I dude I don't know

WHAT I DON'T know there are better this, is, crazy. You've, got 25, seconds. Okay., Wait,, wait,, wait., Let, me

Everyone, give, Adam, the, floor. It's, four, square., It's, four, square, and WH whatever.

Sony, WH100XM4 square. No, way. Way, to, get, there,, guys., Way, to, get there.

Years, of, reviewing, headphones, for, this moment. That, was, almost, really, painful., That, was That was the tiebreaker.

No,, I, have, a, tiebreaker, even, though, Mark David won this round. We, did. If, they, get, it, wrong, and, we, steal, technically we're then tied.

Yeah,, you, did. And, then, I, don't, have, a, tiebreaker, for the tie. Ask, Chat, GPT, for, one.

Okay,, funny, story., I, did, ask, Chat, GPT, to start this and it was horrible. It gave me all these things and I went, "That's not how this game works. Can you make them better?" And it had like a total meltdown. It said "You're right. I should be doing it more like this." And then it did it. And then without even me prompting, it said "Wait, that's not right either." And then did another section, then said "This still isn't right. I need to be more." And did like six sections of it correcting itself and still none of them were any good.

Infinite, loop, sometime. It, basically,, it, it, would, just kept doing two totally different things and then the answer was two things next to each other.

That's, hilarious. It, was, pretty, bad,, [clears throat] but, it, was, how, I, I, tried., Um

sick., So,, do, you, want, to, do, the tiebreaker? Yeah,, sure. This, is, how, we're, going, to, do, the tiebreaker for just fake points.

Okay. Okay., [clears throat] I'm, gonna, say, it, out, loud., The, first team to say it

gets, five, points. No, I, have, a, preposition, for, another, way, to do it. Okay.

Both, teams, have, a, whiteboard, and, a, pen in front of them. No,, because, I, need, um, the, annunciation needs to be correct.

Okay., Okay. Okay., Never, mind., Say, it, out, loud. So,, the, first, the, first, team, to, say, it out loud gets the point. Oh

correctly., I, need, it, to, be, perfect. Okay., So,, I, apologize, in, advance, to everyone listening to us all talk over each other for about 60 seconds.

Okay., Here's, what, I'll, do., You, guys, talk to each other, but whoever says final answer first, then they'll say it after that, and I will pick that person. All right. Ready? Let's do it.

This, is We, only, get, one, final, answer. Extremely, specific,, so, please, listen carefully.

More, specific, than, WXM, 1000., WH is wireless headphones. All right., Ready?

All, right. The, rating, that, shows, a, device, is completely dust tight and protected from submersion up to 1 m for 30 minutes. And the current most popular children's meme.

1, meter, for, 30, minutes. What, is, IP67?, Final, answer., What, is protection 67?

You, didn't, say, final, answer. You, didn't, say, final, answer., Damn, it. What, is, IP67?

No,, but, Anda., No. The, correct, answer., Final, answer., What is ingress protection 67? The correct answer is IP 67.

Oh, my, god,, this, Okay, we, are, never, going, to, get, that, right? Well,, the, benefit, to, us, is, that so perfectly.

I, was, just, looking, up, IP, ratings, and then saw 67 dash each other. I was like I have to do this.

I, hope, that, us, doing, this, killed, that meme. Dead, for, a, while. Always, has, been., Another, dead, meme.

All, right. Wow. Well,, I'm, going, to, go. That, has, not, been, it, because, we, still have to do trivia.

Yeah,, we, back., We, have, to, go, back, to regular trivia. That, was, fun,, right?

That, was, fun., Really, fun, time., I, like that a lot. I, still, think, that, the, comments, will, be on our side with many of those questions.

This, was, rigged, again.,, But it's fine. It's fine. We'll, check, the, comments.

Um,, okay., So, mad, I, got, you, flex., Well, speaking of trivia pause, and, reorganize,, and, we, we'll, be back for the regular trivia at the end of the episode. Starting

Whoa. Okay,, we're, back., Time, to, do, the, actual trivia for this episode. Let's, get, into, it.

Fan, edition., Fan, edition., Trivia, FE., God damn it. All right, guys. LTPO is an Apple thing. I did not know it was an Apple thing. If I had asked that as a trivia question, would you have gotten that right?

Nope. I, don't, know. Damn. Maybe., All, right., Cuz, I, Well,, Samsung's version of LTPO is called what?

And, it's, like, a, silly, thing. It's, a, very, silly, word. It's, a, word,, huh?

It's, a, word. Do, you, want, another, hint? A, word. It's, a, word., Well,, it's, an, acronym,, but it's a word.

Like, like, it, it, reads, out, pretty obviously as a word. And uh uh I can't think of a hint that's not like super obvious, you know, like

I, have, no, idea. There's, there's, one, pancake, themed, hint I can kind of think of. All right.

Yeah., I, don't, know. I, think, we're, all, wrong. Yeah., I, I, wrote, Yeah. Wait,, sorry., I,, I'm, sorry, Marquez. What? What did you write?

I, wrote, dynamic, refresh, rate. No., Yeah,, I, wrote, Bix, BPO. And, what, does, the, PO, stand, for?

No,, I'm, just, kidding., That's, uh I, didn't, write, anything. The, correct, answer, is, hop., It, is, called a hop screen. And hop stands for hybrid oxide and polyrystalline silicon.

Wow. Poly, crystalline, silicon, is, one, word. Uh, no,, but, they, just, called, it, hop because it's it's easier. I think in um

I, wish, all, abbreviations, work, like, that. You can just take out all the letters you don't want.

They, kind, of, [clears throat], do, that, in like all of the like is, also, a, thing, too., Like, you, could, be like

hops, like, in, beer. Yeah,, like, in, beer. Any I, don't, know if, Samsung, would, do, that., I mean actually they would.

Yeah,, I, think, so. Koreans, like I, don't, think, I've, ever, heard, that before.

The, Koreans, like, beer. All, right. All, right. Learn, something, new., Say, just, like, we say we would.

I, already, forgot., Quick, update, on, the, score. Marquez, with, 10. Andrew, with, 10., M

David, with, six. Can, we, go, back, to, Mark, David,, please? Mark, David, can, we, split, the, difference?

Next, question. The, media, center, remote, that, Marquez made a video on. Wait,

16, years, ago, his, first, video and, the, company, that, I, am, obsessed, with. Go.

And, and, I, and, [clears throat] you needed to get every letter perfect. Marquez, knows, this, and, we, don't. Wait, this is not what we put them together.

Yep., It's, the, same, game. This, is, not, what, you, asked, before, though. Nope,,, it, is, not.

The, the, media, center, remote. The, media, center, remote, and, the, company I'm obsessed with.

Like,, come, on,, man. Yeah., What, is, it?, Huh?, Huh?, Huh? Come, on,, man. What, was, the, question, before?, I, don't remember Marquez's. I know that uh I wrote Does this count enough? HP Pavilion Teenage Engineering.

I, No. Come, on., But, I, don't No,, I, don't, know, how, to, I, don't, know, how

I'm, not, I'm, not, literally, Marquette. We're, not, salty., You're, salty. I, don't, know, how, to, combine, these.

So, I, I, don't, know, if, this, is, right., But I wrote HP Pavilion DV7T Nagege Engineering.

There, it, is. No,, not, right, though,, cuz, he, wrote, TNT. No. No. No. Wrong then. Sorry.

No, one, gets, a, point., Look, at, that., Okay. Anyway, to, the, real, question.,

Oh,, that, was, fake. Yeah., Well,, I, would, have, given, you, the point if you

like, kind, of, got, whatever., Okay. Uh,, what, was, Teenage, Engineering's, first product they ever made?

Your, mom. Oh, got, it. [snorts] Playing cars in the 1800s. Uh,, it, was, actually, a, rice, cooker.

Yeah. Sony. Uh um here, we, go. I, feel, I, knew, this, at, one, point. Yeah,, because, it, was, a, previous question.

Slack, a, while, ago,, probably. Oh,, yeah., I, definitely, put, in, Slack. Yeah.

All, right,, flip, them, and, read., What, do you got? Are, we, about, to, get, unmatched, lead, again by Teenage Engineering?

That, would, be, really, funny. Yeah,, we're, all, probably, wrong. I, wrote, a, desk.

Nope. I, wrote, a, pencil. No, that'd, be, sick, to, write., I'm, probably, I hope I'm closest. A radio receiver.

Wrong., But, you, are, closest, cuz, one, of the products they debated doing was a clock radio, but instead they actually did a lamp.

Oh, yeah,, the, lamp., The, lamp. A, lamp. Yeah,, I, was, not. I, love, lamp,, dude.,

All right., Hopefully, now, we, for, sure won't forget that Teen Engineering started with a lamp. And

next, week's, question., All, right. We should just keep having this be a question at the end until we all get it right. Um anyway, well, like we said, we might not have gotten it right, but we did learn something. So that's for sure useful, right? Thanks for watching this episode. Thanks for listening and for uh playing along, of course, in our trivia segment. We have a lot of fun with those. See you soon in the next episode in November.

Peace. Oh,, it's, November, now. Yeah,, it's, November, now. I, know., As, Okay.

Okay. Waveform is produced by Adam Molina and Ellis Ro partner with Fox Media Podcast Network and our tractor music is created by Vainil.

Bingo., Let's, go. Oh,, look, at, me., Oh,, my, videos, are, doing so good. Oh my god.

Well,, cuz, I, was, like, I My, lobster, is, too, buttery., My, steak is too rich.

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What is discussed in "It’s Like Photoshop, But Free!"?

In order: 0:00 Nothing, Facebook, Instagram, Google LLC; 10:00 Affinity, Google LLC; 20:00 Affinity, Nothing; 30:00 Waveform; 40:00 Teenage Engineering, Nothing; 50:00 Fairphone, Moto Edge 70, Nothing, Teenage Engineering; 1:00:00 Soulja Boy, Google LLC, Nothing, Fairphone; 1:10:00 Nothing, Google LLC, Gym Shark, Waveform; 1:20:00 Google LLC, Nothing; 1:40:00 Teenage Engineering, HP Pavilion; 1:50:00 Waveform.

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15 people, works and ideas are mentioned, including Affinity, Nothing, Teenage Engineering, Google LLC, Soulja Boy, Fairphone. Each one on this page links to its own page with every episode that mentions it.

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The episode runs 1 h 51 min; the transcript is about 23,089 words in 719 timestamped sections.

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